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How To Blow Past Girls Dropping The “Creep” Bomb

July 2, 2015 by CH

Disgust, more than fear, dampens women’s sexual arousal. As a devoted skirt chaser, it’s better to make a girl a little afraid of you than it is to disgust her.

(Any connection between wives’ growing disgust for their beta hubbies and their frequency of headaches is purely coincidental.)

This female hindbrain reality explains why women are so quick to label men they don’t like with terms that evoke disgust, (e.g., “creepy”, “strange”, “weird”), and why men, in turn, are so careful to avoid being labeled as such, and to feel the sting harder when they are the recipient.

But it is also true, as any man with extensive field experience will attest, that women tend to throw around the “creep” smear with scattershot profligacy, as a means of “dramatizing” an incipient seduction as often as a means of communicating outright rejection of their suitors. In other words, the “creepy” label is a semantic shit test, and like any female shit test, if successfully passed your attractiveness to the girl will markedly increase.

There are counter-semantic measures a man can take to power down the empowerment a girl feels when she drops the “creep” bomb.

GIRL: “Ew, you’re being soooo creepy/such a creep!”

YOU:

Agree&Amplify

“Please, you haven’t seen anything yet. Wait’ll I put on my clown make-up.”

Preemptive DQ

Basically, light-heartedly call the girl out as a creep before she gets a chance to do it to you. It’s a great preemptive reframe of a courtship that constantly forces the girl back on her heels, in the defensive crouch (where tingles are born!)

Ambiguous Accusation

“Oh, you’re one of *those* girls.”

Amused Dismissal

“Do you eat with that mouth?”

Reverse Shit Test

“BOOORR-ING!”

Straight-up DQ

“Classy.”

Assume The Sale

“Look, this is my final offer. After this, I have to cut you loose.”

Ignore&Plow

This might be the best option for newbies. Just change the topic and “reset” the convo as if she hadn’t said anything of note.

Playground Challenge

“It takes one to know one.”

Redirection

“You got something caught in your teeth.”

Dramatic Flair

“I bet you say that to all the boys.”

Jerkboy Charisma

“There’s no accounting for taste.”

Style’s Attraction Amplifier

“I’m taken.”

Bring Da Movies Game

“Gay.”

***

As always, when engaged in the business of applied charisma, avoiding the pitfall of sounding defensive is paramount. This is not so hard as it seems, if you mentally groom yourself to be prepared for anything a girl might say in the course of a courtship. If you enter every pregnant-ly romantic interaction with a girl expecting to hear the unexpected from her, the crass from her, the bitchy from her, you likely never will be surprised by whatever she says, and this is the secret to building a personal defense against your own proclivity to butthurt defensiveness.

You needn’t be a cynic; you merely need to be accepting of the full behavioral spectrum of female privilege. You won’t always be able to predict what a girl will say to you, but you can predict how you’ll respond when she throws a monkey wrench into your laid-best plans: Unflustered, because you know this is how women are, how they have been for millennia, and how it is your job as a man to joyously pluck and eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and women. If you don’t pluck it, some other man will. Or, tragically, it will rot and fall to the ground, to be eaten by scavenging house cats.

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  1. on July 2, 2015 at 7:54 am Name

    You: You know I actually learned how to be creepy from the best.

    Her: Who?

    You: You.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:31 am larazablanca

      Her: You’re a creep!
      Me: Your flirting needs improvement.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:04 am jacobjamesv

        larazablanca, that’s the best way to assume the sale

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:25 am larazablanca

        I use it every time a girl “insults” me. They’ll usually reply with “self-entitled asshole” or something of that nature. Next thing you know they want to get to know me more. It’s funny how most betas will run to the corner of the room then turn into a ball when insulted by a woman.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:26 am PWN

        I use this or do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Lol

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 1:15 pm Anonymous

        I either use a variation of that or the Princess Bride line: “I do not think that word means what you think it means. “

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:53 pm corvinus

        “No. That’s ‘weirdo’. Get with the program. I’m the top weirdo in town.”

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 9:04 am Captain Obvious

        If you were “Albertosaurus” at the old iSteve, then it would be: “Honey, creepy is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m the Dark Sith Lord that your Grandma warned you about. The one who gives you the nightmares which end in wet dreams.”

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm trav777

        or you can say “and you love it.” or lol

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 3:41 pm Rman

      OT

      Have you seen this?!

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 4:32 pm B

        Extremely inaccurate, skips an incredible number of cultures and eras.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 6:09 am Tam the Bam

        Never mind, B, I found a statue of you

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 5:24 pm trav777

        Venus de Milo

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm no

      I jest be something like..You look like the type who likes this sort of thing..

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 4:25 pm no

        You have to be acting like an over the top creep on purpose at that point though

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 6:07 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      “Hey, are you trying to get into my pants?”

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 1:46 pm DuckHunt

      “mentally groom yourself to be prepared for anything a girl might say

      Are you alone here? – Only intellectually

      Where are all your friends? – I had to kill them all…. They where asking way too many questions

      Does this work on every girl? – Nope… only the cute ones

      What do you do for a living? it’s complicated

      Are you always this secretive? I’d rather not answer that.

      Buy me a drink. – There are only two types of girls I buy drinks for… they’ve got to be hot or very amusing (Look her up and down)… do you know any jokes?

      How many girls have you slept with? – None… I like to kick them out just before they fall asleep.

      You’re not very tall are you. (I’m 5.11 and still get this. Guess it’s a qualification trap) Best response… – The more you know me, the taller I get.(Stolen)

      You’re very conceited aren’t you? – Not when you consider everything I’ve got to be conceited about.

      You are Creepy. – Thanks, I get it from my father…he used to be a cat burglar.

      Why are you talking to me? – The hot chicks haven’t arrived yet.

      I have a boyfriend. – Still?… I heard you guys had broken up… something about you being boring in bed.

      I don’t like you. – That’s fine… I like me enough for both of us.

      Have you read the game? – I’m waiting for the movie to come out

      You have a smooth answer for everything don‘t you. – Ok , I’ll learn to stutter?

      Oh and as for the biggest shit test of all;

      I Love you. – I once had a girl blow me three minutes after I passed this one with…Well don’t .. you’ll only get hurt.

      Or re-raise with – Really? Would you die for me?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:47 pm Experienced Father

        +10

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  2. on July 2, 2015 at 8:09 am How To Blow Past Girls Dropping The “Creep” Bomb | Neoreactive

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:19 am Captain Obvious

      > “Disgust, more than FEAR, dampens women’s sexual arousal. As a devoted skirt chaser, it’s better to make a girl a little AFRAID of you than it is to disgust her… As always, when engaged in the business of applied charisma, avoiding the pitfall of sounding DEFENSIVE is paramount.” ||||| Watch what Donald Trump is doing right now, and listen to Rush Limbaugh’s heaping praise of him – winners go on the OFFENSIVE, never the DEFENSIVE. Fear and Anger and Hatred are emotions [on her part] which you can work with – they let you get your foot in the door. Whereas Indifference and Disgust [on her part] will leave you dead in the water.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:49 am mendozatorres

        I’m loving The Don’s brashness as of late. Guy’s not backing down and he’s having fun and more than likely, making money on it all.

        Someone wrote a great comment that with this lawsuit, Unvision is going to pay for his campaign! Talk about a reframe!

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 7:11 pm Anonymous

        And what happened to the poor woman In San Francisco who was murdered by an illegal immigrant ( was deported 5 times ) reinforces the Donald’s
        message……

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 3:14 am David

        Heh yeah maybe this is how Mexico pays for the fence. The proceeds of lawsuits.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 1:20 pm sowerofash

      What do you guys think of this?

      I think it’s a good analogy, but just a little off target.

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  3. on July 2, 2015 at 8:17 am Philomathean

    Her: you’re a creeper! He he he

    In response you flip your tongue at her.

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  4. on July 2, 2015 at 8:33 am superfawker

    “You needn’t be a cynic”

    not when you’re young at least. these kinds of verbal assaults come later, once she’s been around the block a few times.

    if you’re her first love all she can think about is pleasing you and getting you alone so she can get you inside of her.

    the dual mating strategy (af/bb) also doesn’t appear until later. all she wants from her first love is his essence. she wants to be filled and totally consumed by him. thoughts of material provisioning never enter her pretty little head. this is the female drive at its most pure.

    interesting that she is the most wonderful at the same time she is the most physically attractive.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:37 am BigAl

      So true. Be her first alpha

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 9:46 pm 88

        “So true. Be her first alpha”

        yep. this is important. i know a lot of guys get hung up thinking virgins are the only way to go but even if you’re a super alpha, if a girl has never been with anyone else, she will always wonder if you’re the best she could do. she settles down before sleeping with any other men and then resents you because she missed out, you get a dud in the sack because you bought her without a test drive, etc. etc.

        don’t have to be her first lay just be her first alpha.

        that’s why i think the girls with low notch counts (3 or fewer) are the way to go. especially if they’ve had betas before you. you show up as her alpha god and since she has other lesser men to compare you to, she will see you as being superior to any men she’s ever known. she will see you as her first and only love sent from the heavens and she will forget all the other men before you. it’s a miraculous thing when you witness it.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:49 am Captain Obvious

      Around midnight last night, I watched some of the original 1984 Terminator on BBC America, and I was just mesmerized by the chemistry and the conversation and the attraction between Linda Hamilton [Sarah Connor] and Michael Biehn [Kyle Reese] – what it used to be like to talk to a chick straightforwardly and honestly and forthrightly – back before Evil Psychiatry Inc and the Gramsci Project completed polluted the culture with Cluster B insanity. I feel like “Friends” [1994–2004] and the behavior of those whores [as depicted by Anniston, Cox, and Kudrow] might have been the Point of No Return for America. That, and of course Sluts and the City. And the Britney/Miley Eisner-Disney sh!t.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:51 am mendozatorres

        Friends definitely did begin the process. All the girls took their cues from that show. It was fun for me since some gals thought I looked like Chandler, which again just shows that women are attracted to whatever is on TV.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:29 am Captain Obvious

        Watch “Friends” reruns on TV – Evil Psychiatry Inc is weaving it all into the fabric of that show – the incipient snarkery and sluttery and hypergamy of the females, and the rank emasculation of the males. Boiling the frog of Western Civilization slowly so that it doesn’t realize that it’s about to be eaten for dinner. And of course Bubba Clinton wouldn’t have spoken out against this back in the 1990s, because he’s a psychopath himself, who wants to get on the private jet with Eskimo Jeffrey Epstein and head right down to Sex Slave Island so as to r@pe some underage shiksas.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm An Honest Lawyer

        Yep, and I was calling it in the 1990s while it was happening (yeah, I was not a lot of fun and had no game at parties in the 1990s). Friends and then Melrose Place continued it. It was the start of the “everyone hooks up with everyone” anti-marriage assault that told women not to get married earlier than age 35 after riding the CC from age 19-34 first. Then on to Sex and the City and Miley Cyrus and the current total ramping up of telling them to just be complete idiot trash.

        Seinfeld was also a big influence — promoting the Eskimo way of life: no physical labor, no real work done, snarky, aimless, pointless New York City reptile lifestyle as cool.

        I personally know many fair-skinned blue eyed beauties from good small-town families who would have been great wives and mothers of future inventors and engineers, who (under reptilian influence) disrespected their white fathers and chased the dream of living the Seinfeld/Sex in the City lifestyle in New York City from age 19-35. They are now called “spinsters” or “cat ladies.”

        Expect a major increase in depression from these women in the next 20 years as they go from age 40-60 childless and alone, with no purpose in life, since they will not be grandmothers.

        All of this has been done by the slithery reptiles, of course, as part of their war on white civilization.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm Loyalist

        “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness.”

        -Allan Ginsberg

        “Friends” indoctrinated and ruined a whole generation of women, the baby boomers’ kids/millenials.

        I grew up watching that show when it was new, and have long maintained that it went a long way in normalizing the single-living, free-spiriting, carousel-riding, non-judging, left-winging, big citying, modern career gal.

        I see 21 yr old female interns stream thru my office and to this day they’re spitting Friends-influenced lifestyles.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:42 pm Tilikum

        Terminator to Joos in like half a paragraph! Champion!

        You and Arbiter should get a room.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:21 pm Captain Obvious

        Yeah, Talmudikim, it’s really odd how scripts written by a Shkotzim like James Cameron and Linda Hamilton and a Michael Biehn bear no resemblance to scripts written and acted by Slithery Eskimo Reptiles such as David Crane, Marta Kauffman, Lisa Kudrow, and David Schwimmer. I can’t imagine why that would be.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 3:31 pm Mike

        I’m going to start using Kyle Reese game on girls.
        “I’m here from the future to save you from the betasized tingle Terminators.”
        Although I don’t often wear a trench coat or carry a sawed-off shotgun.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:25 am PWN

      This is why it’s worthless to date women who had more than a boyfriend before you. You don’t have to be her first boyfriend, second is ok too from my experience. But from then on, they’re only good for casual sex.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 8:50 am Captain Obvious

        Benedict Arnold traitor speaking here: So what does that say about the morality of pump-n-dump and your role in spreading The Darkness in their hearts?

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 9:13 am PWN

        Captain oblivious, I don’t mind being exclusive with girls that are worth it, but it’s their job to keep me around. And I’m not their dad or mom.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 11:56 am Captain Obvious

        PWN, I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying, but if you’re completely honest in your introspection, then you have to admit to yourself that the more ex-girlfriends we leave in our wake, the more The Darkness spreads, and the worse the overall big-picture outlook becomes for the future of Western Civilization and the White Race.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:50 pm yeahokcool

        Lol @pwn. Massive insecurity bro.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:15 am David

      Too bad you can’t just marry her and skip all the crap, for both of you. And oh the fertility!!

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  5. on July 2, 2015 at 8:44 am newlyaloof

    What a coincidence. Saw this cute waitress for the third time in a week walking down the street during lunch break. She saw me, I called out her name then said, “Damn girl, you keep following me.” Funny how I subconsciously said that because of the creeper concept (even though I’m just walking to lunch in the opposite direction she seems to always be walking).

    As always though, I think of good lines to use AFTER the fact. This last time I saw her when I said that line, I was talking on the phone with my dad as I walked. When I reached her, I quickly told my dad I’d call him back real quick without giving him an explanation because I wanted to chat up this little fire cracker. But, I should have said something like, “Hold on Dad, I just ran into this cure girl on the street who said she wants to buy me lunch … yeah, she’s short, but I like her curves… okay bye.”

    This then got me to thinking that any time us dudes are on the phone and a hot chick is in our vicinity, we can say something to the extent of.”Sorry PERSON’S NAME WE’RE TALKING TO, this cute girl in front/next to me distracted me. Could you repeat that?” She’ll most definitely look back, at which point you can grin/wink/escalate.

    In any event, game adds a nice level of enjoyment to my days now. So glad I found it.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:45 am newlyaloof

      edit ““Hold on Dad, I just ran into this CUTE girl on the street who said she wants to buy me lunch

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 8:53 am Captain Obvious

        NO!!!!! Don’t compliment her. Throw in a soft neg. “I just ran into this homeless street urchin who is going to buy me lunch.”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:34 am PWN

        I think you people are too afraid of complimenting girls. You’re free to do that insofar as you dhv and dq her later in a teasing way. You can use the she needs more than looks attitude.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:59 am Sentient

        Mystery – “you’re beautiful. But beauty is common, what else do you have going on”

        A go to line used by him extensively in online footage.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:11 pm Sentient

        Style’s variation of the above…

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:44 pm no

        This is how my approaches look in the sense that he is not just mouthing the words nervously, but he is also selling it with his matter of fact frame. It’s not that hard once you get past the omg stupid people are judging me aspect of it. Good to see these old O.G. puas showing how it is done.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm mingetastic

        *syphilitic vagrant that’s begging for change

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 2:14 pm Sentient

        http://www.tsbmag.com/2006/06/26/neil-strausss-top-10-pickup-methods/

        good quick list of basics on opening sets from Style

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 2:29 pm Culum Struan

        Sentient that clip is fascinating. Even in an artificial public setting under pressure, Strauss manages to put Jessica Alba (a 9/10 depending on personal taste) under pressure and surprise her and have her qualifying to him. It’s artificial of course, but she was genuinely a bit taken aback and having to think hard for an answer to satisfy him (and the public).

        She of course probably is all the characteristics she names, given that she founded a billion dollar company..

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 2:31 pm Culum Struan

        I also like the way he phrases the question in the clip. The way Mystery frames it is a bit more vague and may be harder for dumber girls – like you have to guide her a little bit so that she qualifies to you – you don’t want her looking blankly at you because she doesn’t know what to expect. And this version is more precise and does exactly that.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:43 pm no

        thanks for the find sentient btw. that little clip says more than most books written on the subject

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm 10x10

        Style’s qualifying routine is a good one to use when in comfort. But in reality, you would have to have excellent attraction game to even get a girl like Alba into comfort. That would be the hard part.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 11:38 am onmyway

        Do you think Strauss’ routine could work as an opener?

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 12:42 pm no

        Prob not omw. You looking at a mystery method type opener with this one because this indirect game. So its an opinion opener or a neg or a badboy rsd nation type open such as “powder puff girls.” You may want to also consider the Krauser opener model look it up or ask wallawa. Krauser uses indirect direct game [sic]. If you want to use as an opener at least “root” it with something like “I saw you over there texting on your phone…. and it made me wonder….”

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 2:24 pm Culum Struan

      newlyaloof – that’s a great one. If I’m ever on the phone in that situation I’m totally stealing it.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 8:34 am Siberian Subway Masurbator

        Strauss– multiple best-selling NY LIbrul Times author. Not an average guy. Alba was picked out of 1000 auditioners for Cameron’s Dark Angel TV series, really one of the hottest movies stars since Ingrid Bergman, Grace Kelly era. She admitted having an eating disorder too.

        Being Jewish, he’s not eligible for whining right wing turd positions like some poster guys, he became an EMT and does some good in the world.

        You homo fairies.

        “Mommy, mommy, there’s too may brown people around!!! Mommy, what are you doing with him?!!”

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  7. on July 2, 2015 at 9:08 am A-Bax

    Related: Once aroused, the disgust response is dampened.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/18/sex-and-disgust

    Why a woman in the throes of sexual excitement can enthusiastically swallow cum or get off on it spackling her backside, but might flinch at the thought of the same while at equilibrium.

    Takeaway: Save your filthy ideas/actions till she’s already wet, my friends.

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  8. on July 2, 2015 at 9:09 am newlyaloof

    @Captain, I see your point, but “cute” is somewhat of a neg in my opinion.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:14 am Captain Obvious

      Okay, there might be some semantics in your circle of friends where that would be the case. I’m not familiar with it, but, if so, then carry on. [PS: It’s a crying shame if we’ve devolved so far and so fast that “cute” is now a neg…]

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:16 am Wyatt Mann

      In this situation, you want to drop a neg on her. Her mouth will gasp, and most likely give you that giggly girly slap on the arm with an accompanying “You’re a jerk!”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:22 am Captain Obvious

        Right, I’m thinking that “Cute” is too close to a compliment [even if some social circles now think that it’s a soft neg], and I’d try to neg her just a little more obviously than that. Not too hard, because she’s a working class girl, and you’re a college graduate – you don’t want to be ignoble about it – but give her just a little shiv to moisten up her nether regions.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:26 am newlyaloof

        I’m up for any suggested adjective alternatives here.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:41 am larazablanca

        There are honestly many things you could do in such a moment especially with a phone.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:54 am Captain Obvious

        Well up above I was saying “homeless street urchin” – whatever the 21st Century equivalent to that would be – “humanities major with mountain of student loan debt”.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:00 am Captain Obvious

        If you can’t think of [or remember from your memorizations] anything clever, then fall back on the basics: Betas ask Questions, Alphas issue Commands. Beta: “Would you like to have lunch with me?” Alpha: “Where are you taking me for lunch today?” Although God I’d love to go back in time to when you could just be a Nice Guy and ASK a girl to lunch rather than ORDER her to lunch. Ughhh…..

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:43 am CarpeOro

        “Hang on dad, another stalker just showed up. I’m going to at least get a lunch out of this one.”

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 7:10 am Captain Obvious

        Two other lines of attack: Tease her about her weight, and go patriarchal and talk about how she needs to be cooking for you. “Are you on a diet? Well, when you take me out for lunch, I guess you’ll just have to sit there and watch me eat.” Or: “So when are you gonna cook lunch for me? Cause I’m hungry right now.”

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  9. on July 2, 2015 at 9:12 am walawala

    @YaReally, HABD, others following these exchanges. I posted about the girl I was gaming who was waffling about meeting up…met her at a party I was djing while on a business trip to her city. Game her, number close her, she’s planning to come to my city for a holiday. We meet up the next day before I fly out…more comfort mixed with teasing….seems good.

    I text a few funny ping texts…she responds. Then today I send her a text about meeting up on Sunday….she’s blowing me off:

    Her: “we’ll have to meet in your city. Just remembered I have a friend’s birthday BBQ on Sunday…

    yah…that… not to be undaunted…these are shit tests

    Me: you’re a slippery fish. back wed. Thurs/Friday…rooftop cocktails..salsa…maybe a surprise treasure hunt

    Her: Thursday i’m going blah blah blah. Friday still planning! hahaha what treasure hunt?

    Now…I think this is a field tested line….”treasure hunt” as a date option…

    Me: yes…find me

    Her; hahah ok i’ll update you about my schedule soon!

    NO…you won’t… this is a chick half in and half out…

    Me:Sounds like it’s time for me to make an executive decision….late lunch at xyz, if it rains we’ll hit the museum. nice and it’s rooftop drinks…salsa…aaaaaaaaand…can’t think past that. On?

    Her: by the time salsa comes up it’ll be quite late. sounds good….what time is lunch?

    me: 2pm. maybe a boat trip

    her: oooohokay sure…hahaha..thank you for offering to show me around. I feel bad to impose.

    her hamster is running wild

    Me: ok just promise to behave…cu then.

    Now…will update you on whether this goes through, it’s a week away, anything could happen. But you can see how I didn’t ask, I told…I wasn’t a total jerk, but I was firm…she agrees…then suddenly it dawns on her it’s a date…and i’m a kind of stranger…so she has to position this in her head as tour guide…whatever…I need to bouncer her around, get her a few drinks, watch a sunset…and move in for the kiss…that’s the plan.

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  10. on July 2, 2015 at 9:17 am PimpinBlueStar

    I got tested the other night with a “OMG you are weird” look the other night when I said something rediculous the other night. My reply:

    “I got one question fo ya..” (*points to shoes*) “WHAT ARE THOSE?!?!?!?”

    She cracked up because she had seen the vines. But I need to experiment with this more as an opener. Will report…

    In case you don’t know what I’m talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7xj6zZeYUU

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:41 am Glengarry

      “I got one question fo ya..” (*points to shoes*) “WHAT ARE THOSE?!?!?!?”

      That’s also an excellent comeback if she calls you weird/creep/etc in the first place. “I find them highly problematic.”

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:36 am Captain Obvious

        “Honey, if these effete pansy-assed man-boobed Hipster loser boys are what constitute ‘normal’ in your social circle, then down there in your nether regions you must be aching for some rock-hard implacable Old School masculinity. I pity both you and your hunger for It.”

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  11. on July 2, 2015 at 9:25 am Anonymous

    here in college in ireland, we actually take the creep label as a badge of honour. Whenever someone calls me and my friends creeps (we can be quite agressive when chasing women) we smile and basically take it as a compliment. when we take this frame people start seeing our behavior as being whats ‘cool’

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 12:57 pm igivenofucks

      where’s this then Athlone IT………………………………………… i concur on the above

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 4:28 pm mingetastic

      the college students who voted 98% in favour of gay marriage?

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  12. on July 2, 2015 at 9:31 am Mel Gibson

    James Blonde, is that you?

    http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/07/02/google-photos-mislabels-black-people-as-gorillas.html

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:42 am Glengarry

      He’s out being chased by the Brooklyn Zoo at the moment and can’t answer his phone.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 1:49 pm MZ

      Wonder how long before BET(Afrovision), Macy’s and NBC cut ties with google?

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  13. on July 2, 2015 at 9:33 am Donohoe

    Frank underwood from house of cards has some great dismissive lines

    “This is the part where you two leave”

    Said to guys, but to girls, if said correctly and playfully – could inspire tingles

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  14. on July 2, 2015 at 9:38 am Glengarry

    The simple response: “No, you’re a creep! Yes you are. Ewwww, such a creep. And look at your hair, it’s totally creepy!” etc. Probably has a better success rate than the two below.

    Or, “Bring da horror movies.” (OK, that’s too inside baseball.)

    Or, super A&A: “Now that you mention it, would you sell me your panties? Right now. I’ll give you … ten bucks or buy you a drink, your choice.”

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  15. on July 2, 2015 at 9:44 am martin

    When I was up at uni I remember there was this girl I had a lot of affections for and I remember she said something I did was creepy and I took it seriously, I think I ignored it, but it definitely bothered me a lot. It happened a few more times and I began to think this girl was showing her cards, she was overusing the term. She called me creepy again after I was talking about something I did for a vacation and I was immune at this point and said that everything I did was creepy so it was pointless to call it that. She laughed and never called me creepy again. Although she did ignore me for a different reason. Being ignored is worse than being called creepy.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:55 am PWN

      When a girl accuses you of anything and your mind is blank, accuse her of what she’s accusing you. Creepy, gay, a lecherous old man, anything. I’d seriously call a teenage girl a lecherous old man if I had nothing else to say and she called me that. Lol

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm martin

        A friend of mine is married and I asked his wife once what the creepiest thing that has ever happened to her was. She said a middle aged fellow came up to her and claimed to be a fitness expert and made lots of comments about her legs and asked if she wanted him to be her trainer and if he could give her a massage. That is truly creepy, but at the same time is kind of funny. I used to be offended by that word, don’t get me wrong, it is bad if you are that oblivious, but even so, managing to actually creep out women is funny. So in the future if it ever happens to me again I am probably going to have a laugh about it and try to amplify it by creepily asking if she wants a private massage or a ride in my van or something like that.

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  16. on July 2, 2015 at 9:58 am Anon2

    Passing shit tests is not easy…

    I recently met with an Asian woman where we would just get coffee. The date seemed to go okay.

    But a couple of days later when I contacted her again, she started to whine that “A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner”.

    As if! On the first date!

    I did the jerkboy charisma/agree and amplify thing. This led to her saying “You don’t know what classy, considerate men are like”. My opinion of her plunged, but my cocky/funny, agree & amplify wasn’t turning her around either. She kept replying, but not liking me more either.

    Later, she tried the Agree & Amplify, saying “Yup, my fault”.

    To this, I said “Well, you have taken the first step towards improvement”.

    It ended there. I am not sure how to have executed this better.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 10:07 am walawala

      This was a disaster…you didn’t do jerkboy, you did “jerk”… and a defensive one at that. You come off defensive and hurt=jerk

      This was one way to turn this around:

      Her: A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner…”

      You: woman… and who would that be in this scenario?

      That would have been both jerkboy and got her hamster spinning.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:28 am Anon2

        You: woman… and who would that be in this scenario?

        I don’t understand why that would be different… How is that not also ‘defensive and hurt’?

        Plus, what would you say to her saying :

        “You were so self-absorbed that you didn’t even think to take me to a restaurant”?

        My reply would be :

        “I often invite a woman home for dinner, but that is later, if I think she is special”…

        I am open to suggestions.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:48 am Mel Gibson

        “Plus, what would you say to her saying :

        “You were so self-absorbed that you didn’t even think to take me to a restaurant”?

        My reply would be :

        “I often invite a woman home for dinner, but that is later, if I think she is special”…

        I am open to suggestions.”

        The Western Woman right here, folks. Entitled to everything despite providing nothing.

        Your reply is not good. Is that supposed to be A&A?

        First, get the word “special” when referring to a woman out of your fucking mouth. Forever. She’s not special. You know it, she knows it. Don’t think it. And certainly don’t use it to describe her when talking to her. Second, you give too much away by talking about future dinner plans at your home. You don’t tell – you do.

        Reply to her ironically self-absorbed comment/text: “OK, next time let’s hit up McDonald’s. I’ll get you a happy meal!”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:52 am PWN

        Mel Gibson, not sure what he was providing to her though so she has no reason to be nice or give value. Maybe he should post what he said to elicit these responses. I can bet there was no dhv, no dq, no kino escalation etc.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 10:40 am Mel Gibson

      Actually, passing shit tests is easy (once you get the hang of it). It can and should be self-amusing.

      A few things
      -“Contacting” is texting, calling, tweeting, emailing…? You have to alter your game based on the medium. Tone is everything.

      -What was your “jerkboy charisma/agree and amplify thing”? You’re only giving us her responses.

      -She appears to be kind of a high-maintenance beeyotch here, but the problem could also be in your game, and not necessarily from this conversation, but from the first date. She might be disqualifying you with the “classy gentleman” crap because the first date was so-so, instead of a shit test to see if your D is worthy of her P.

      If this is, in fact, a shit test, and you’ve done well enough at this point for her to be interested, just remember to take nothing she says seriously.

      Her: “A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner.”
      You: “Money is tight. I had to pay child support for my 17 kids.”
      You: “Well, I just gave my life savings to that homeless quadriplegic children’s shelter.”

      Full-on hamster assault:
      “I only buy dinner on the first date for 9s.”

      You should probably shelve that one for use when passing shit tests are easy for you.

      Just have fun with it, don’t take her seriously, and remember that although she’s a modern woman who gets constant stimulation and attention from social media, her dumbphone, and herbs, she’s starving for excitement and adventure. Give it to her if you want to pound the divide.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 1:27 pm Anonymous

        “Are you broke?” Always good.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 10:44 am Kate Minter

      Er, isn’t it awfully entitled to expect dinner as the only acceptable date? Dinners are classically bad dates, anyway. You did her a favor.

      Thoughts: “A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner”.

      “I was held back a year.” 🙂
      “When did you get the impression I was a classy gentleman?” 😉
      “Stop trying to get in my pants!”
      “I only buy dinner for my girlfriends.”
      “I would have bought you dinner, but I was mugged on the way to the date, and this scary clown started chasing me, and it was all I could do to make it on time. Thanks for nothin'”
      “I don’t do dinnerviews.”

      I also like walawala’s response. Emoticons can play a big part in conveying your attitude, so use them when you want to keep it light. Don’t use them when you want to convey a sting.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:55 am Mel Gibson

        Correct, Kate. Dinners are not good first dates. Keep it simple and short – get coffee, get a drink, and get out within an hour tops. Unless it’s going really well and the sex might happen, you invest just enough to excite her and make her want more, then you bounce.

        Your responses are good examples of proper teasing.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 10:56 am Kate Minter

        Why, thank you, Mel. I try 🙂 Got more in mod. Wish I could get a job writing dialogue. It’d be a hoot.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:09 am Anon2

        I know dinners are bad. That is why I never do one as a first date.

        She didn’t even bring it up the first time, but after I contacted her (text) a couple of days later.

        Mel Gibson :

        But all of those lines can also appear defensive. I am not sure I can tell the difference between a good passing of the test vs. not.

        One of Heartiste’s examples above is :

        “Oh, you’re one of *those* girls.”

        That could equally be a good retort, or sound hurt/defensive. How does one tell?

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:21 am Radagast

        Good responses. Cocky + Flirty is how it’s done, always.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:36 am no

        People don’t really date like that often. That’s close to marriage right thar

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:34 pm Turkey Baster

        “A classy gentleman would MAKE a woman dinner … and breakfast”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:46 pm Kate Minter

        Ha! Or you could say, “I heard this song and thought of you” 🙂 https://youtu.be/I5sJhSNUkwQ

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm no

        you can have half my moon pie, but I don’t eat moon pie anyway

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:41 pm Captain Obvious

        Turkey Baster, be more of a Patriarchal Reactionary Jerk: “A classy woman would make a gentleman dinner. And breakfast.”

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 1:18 am ragingindependent

        Right….a slight twist is to qualify, such as “Ugh a dinnerview, come on now, you’re more adventurous/fun/ than that” Basically frame a dinner date as boring, it combats attacking the entitlement and coming off as cheap or trying to push the instahookup.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 3:27 pm Turkey Baster

        You missed the double entendre … I wasn’t intending to cook.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:46 am Captain Obvious

        Well, I guess, if Uncle Junior is the “classy” one…

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:09 am Anonymous

      Is this your definition of “plowing” or something?.

      She’s getting plowed alright, but not by you.

      If she wanted anything to do with you, she wont make it that hard after the first meet. Coffee dates are gay as fuck. Go out and do something with her besides sit around with the hipsters and bowl cut fems. Should have took her for a walk to the river or something, pick her up and pretend to throw her in once you got there. That’s the kind of shit she wont forget

      Next time they pull the classy guys buy me shit routine, ignore it and change subject , if she persists, that’s about the time I stop responding. Not worth it, can you imagine what she would be like 3-6-12 months down the line when shes “comfortable” being a cunt to you because she knows you’ll take it?

      On to the next, don’t let the yellow fever get the best of ya.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:16 am Mac

        “can you imagine what she would be like 3-6-12 months down the line when shes “comfortable” being a cunt to you because she knows you’ll take it?”

        exactly right.

        people do not pay enough attention to this kind of thing. they write it all off as a shit test and then months or years down the road, they wonder how the hell they ended up with a woman who makes them miserable.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:53 pm philboyd studge

        “If she wanted anything to do with you, she wont make it that hard after the first meet.”

        yup. we’re supposed to be the challenge. not them. there is a huge difference between real occasional shit test and just being a twat. most of these girls yelling creep are twats.

        “The bad ideas were delivered to Dwayne (pua worshipper) by Kilgore Trout (pua kj). Trout considered himself not only harmless but invisible. The world had paid so little attention to him that he supposed he was dead. He HOPED he was dead. But he learned from his encounter with Dwayne that he was alive enough to give a fellow human being ideas which would turn him into a monster.”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:23 pm walawala

        The last 3 girls I met, all HB7’s in their 20’s…I took to a kind of private club I belong to with all sorts of historic stuff—but it could be your favorite sports bar with some interesting artifacts. Usually just a drink…maybe a dinner which is cheap. Lots of DHV, showing off the artifacts, teasing her about not knowing anything about the history of the city…

        Then it’s a walk usually to the ferris wheel…”Don’t scream and embarrass me…” we go up…move in and escalate kino….

        Take public transport back to my place….makeout and bang.

        Alcohol is not usually involved….if I don’t bang them…it’s a next.

        Throughout it’s all about teasing, then moving to the Questions Game…which they will say “It’s stupid” before I start and then they get into it…”When was your last kiss?” a girl asked me…I knew it was on.

        There are a few things. Before I take them out, I make sure they’re keen. Ask them have they ever had a tall lover before—to sexualize it early. Then we chit chat….mostly around the topics of kissing, going out, or something male/female. By the time theyre out they realize it’s a “date” and not a friends thing.

        This has been something that took a few years and a lot of practice and effort to get to….but it costs me nothing really—-sometimes they split it with me….sometimes they don’t but it’s around US$40 which is what a night of drinks would cost….no fancy dinners usually.

        So, find an interesting location you’re passionate about….brush up on the core conversational and escalation skills. I would honestly recommend Krauser’s “Daygame Mastery”..it’s big but so detailed and clear you will manage that “gentleman” shit test much better. And practice….go out with more girls…

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 9:38 pm Captain Obvious

        Anonymous, Mac, et al, thanks for making the point which immediately occurred to me: She’s implicitly stating that you are NOT a “classy gentleman”, which generally is going to be a horrible insult [unless you’re going for Bad Boy Thug Gangsta or some such]. I.e. this chick is a friggin B!TCH on steroids. I kinda like WalaWala’s Hard Neg here: “Okay, remind me again, who is the classy woman that I should be taking out to dinner?”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 11:56 pm corvinus

        Next time they pull the classy guys buy me shit routine, ignore it and change subject ,

        True. Some girls do a combination flirt / sh!t test by wheedling dudes for money or presents. It means she likes you; it does not mean you actually have to give her anything.

        Except little trinkets maybe, like a used bag of Skittles.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:27 am Charlie

      Her: A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner.
      You: I see you’re protein deficient in your diet. Wanna a drink from the fountain of youth? bow chica wow wow.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm Sentient

      “A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner”.

      You: “we’ll see how you play your cards”

      seriously this works in so many situations and is easy to remember. A little non sequitur hamster bait and flipped script all in one.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm Anon2

        You: “we’ll see how you play your cards”

        I did that earlier, but then her response is “You are really full of yourself”…

        To that I replied a simple : “Yes :)”…. (agree & amplify…sort of)…..

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 12:52 pm PWN

        You wish you were full of myself too though. Envious much?

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 2:08 pm Sentient

        Anon2 – it looks like it was all working, you were getting shit tested, responding and triggering more shit tests… all par for the course. You failed some along the way, but until you put up the whole exchange in sequence it’s hard to make out.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 4:49 pm mingetastic

        Say: ‘look, sweetcheeks, I know you’re used to men doing little things for you your whole life, because of your ‘feminine allure’, but if you really want to start monetising transactions, you could probably go platinum in less than a year’

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:23 am Captain Obvious

        It looks like PWN beat me to it —– “Honey, lemme explain this in terms which a sperg-tarded little Chinagirl like yourself can understand: What’s driving your behavior is the abiding desire that Yourself be full of Myself. It’s how the Good Lord created us, so just deal with it. In the meantime, I’ll be at Barbie’s Hipster Cocktail Lounge at 9PM, and if you’re late, then you’ll see me leaving with someone else. PS: Don’t wear black – it’s a horrible color on you.”

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 6:11 pm walawala

      @Anon 2 ‘woman…and who would that be in this scenario?’

      Is reframing the whole interaction around her behavior, it would immediately show that you’re not in her frame about “gentleman” and pushing it back on her. It’s droll, it’s raising a question she’s forced to consider…which forces her hamster into overdrive.

      How to go from the “you’re full of yourself”

      I got this once from a 27 year old I met online…a lot of pushback….same types of things about not being a gentleman, you’re so confident etc.

      These were all shit tests…I just kept reframing and pushing back.

      Suddenly she changed, admitted she wanted to bang an older confident dude who couldn’t stop thinking about her. From there I set up the meeting, banged her on the first night and banged her steady for 4 months until her Cluster B nastiness became unbearable.

      Here’s a few responses to the “you’re so full of yourself”

      “Behave…don’t make me send you to the naughty corner”—my go to response.

      “Oh….a rebel….we’ll see…”

      make up your own, but all I bang are Asian girls. Those with some education or living in the US tend to have an attitude…they want a stronger, clever high-value guy.

      Be the guy who surprises them with wit and they’ll chase.

      When my post in mods comes out, i’ll share how I got the flakey girl to agree to meet up without any supplicating or begging…

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 5:44 pm trav777

        huh? This shit falls on its face.

        I had a Chinese chick last night…they are like fish in a barrel. I instructed her to get in the car, she complied, then I told her we were going to my place, she said ok, you can come to mine. A week after you’re never coming to my place. She’s fuckin Asian, they are compliant. I promised her earlier in the night we wouldn’t have sex…she’s fking Asian ffs, what difference does it make as long as you are dominant?

        Long story short, though, it ended badly…I had to go max alpha on her when she kept putting her hands on me in an argument right in the middle of “it.” Hot Asian women are a clusterfuck of insanity. This bitch told me a story of how she went to the ER and got a tetanus shot for having been scratched by some dude’s cat…made him pay for the whole thing too.

        You got the Asian chick to meet up because Asian women are easy as hell for westerners…why don’t you try this shit out in Miami and let us know how it goes?

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 9:13 pm bobo

      “I don’t want to get you pregnant”

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 12:43 am Ohiomega

        Nice blast from the past.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 10:33 pm having a bad day

      just wanted to point out some things on agree and amplify…and contrast it with your response…

      girls don’t agree and amplify. when she says “yup, my fault” that was something else…in this case it seems to be a ‘victim gambit’ where she gets you to white knight for her…or chase her…my bet would be that her vocal inflection indicated the real meaning behind her statement (but really impossible to know out of context…)

      her: “You were so self-absorbed that you didn’t even think to take me to a restaurant”?
      you: “I often invite a woman home for dinner, but that is later, if I think she is special”…(note – see Mel’s comment on attitude = lose the ‘special’…)

      your response = beta…bc it is a direct response (with no deflection at all) to her statement/question…the underlying quality of this response is that you are treating her as an equal, and not as her superior = she is not in a defensive crouch = no tingles…this takes place in girl language on the subcomm channel…

      alpha responses operate on the subcomm channel to put her in a defensive crouch by treating her as an inferior…by NOT directly answering her question…or answering it with a deflection thrown in…

      some good examples from the thread (i’ll miss some…lol…so, apologies to those of you who deserve it…)

      her: “You were so self-absorbed that you didn’t even think to take me to a restaurant”?
      you: “OK, next time let’s hit up McDonald’s. I’ll get you a happy meal!”

      see how that answers the question, but not directly (which is ‘boring’ and predictable = beta)…it give the answer a deflection from the original question.

      more…

      Her: A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner…

      You: woman… and who would that be in this scenario?
      You: “Money is tight. I had to pay child support for my 17 kids.”
      You: “Well, I just gave my life savings to that homeless quadriplegic children’s shelter.”
      you: “I only buy dinner on the first date for 9s.”

      you:
      “I was held back a year.” 🙂
      “When did you get the impression I was a classy gentleman?” 😉
      “Stop trying to get in my pants!”
      “I only buy dinner for my girlfriends.”
      “I would have bought you dinner, but I was mugged on the way to the date, and this scary clown started chasing me, and it was all I could do to make it on time. Thanks for nothin’”
      “I don’t do dinnerviews.”

      (look at the big game on Katie…lol)

      You: “we’ll see how you play your cards”
      you: “Are you broke?”

      none of these answers her statement/question directly…every one has the quality of deflection and self-amusement…bc that’s what an entitled, sexually attractive alpha stud would sound like…

      good luck!

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 9:02 am having a bad day

        although for pedagogical accuracy, none of these are true agree and amplify, which is more like…

        Her: A classy gentleman would buy a woman dinner…

        you: yes/of course/sure…if he was really classy, he’d buy her that dinner in Paris…

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 6:56 pm The Other Anonymous

        Yawn. When in the course of your spergy down-select of shit test responses do you get to the sexual part?

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 5:36 pm trav777

      I say that I only buy that for gfs. Some women don’t like that answer, they’re mining for meals or something. WGAF anyway, next her.

      If she wants your company she will concede the demand.

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  17. on July 2, 2015 at 10:34 am Kate Minter

    HAHA 🙂 I used boring once to good effect. The guy had texted he’d had a threesome the night before. LOLOL

    I like the “You’ve got something in your teeth” one, myself. LOL Sets up a whole host of negs.

    “Didn’t anybody ever teach you how to eat?”
    “No, its still there.”
    “Keep trying. It’s way in the back.”
    “This is embarrassing. You gonna put your whole hand in there?”
    “Alright, let me help you.”
    *kiss*
    “It’s gone.”
    “Sheesh.”
    🙂

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  18. on July 2, 2015 at 10:46 am corvinus

    I should qualify this a bit.

    Being called creepy is worse than being called weird. If you’re weird, it doesn’t mean you can’t also be hawt. But if you’re creepy, you’re both weird and decidedly un-hawt.

    If called weird, I will readily refer to myself as a weirdo… because I am in fact one. I own it.

    Haven’t been referred to as creepy though lately, except by one girl who knew me from a few years ago when I actually was creepy due to lack of game, but at the same time she was amused that all these girls were getting crushes on me lately.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm CarpeOro

      Anyone with more than average IQ appears “weird” to people with a lower IQ. Reason being is that we make mental connections that are beyond them and have interests that are outside the every day. Outside of average is “weird”. This doesn’t mean that everyone that is weird is above average – some are just odd.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 10:02 am Stationarity

        Very true. I keep myself up with popular culture and can relate to people half my age, but talk about anything outside their understanding, and most start to tune out. Most people aren’t very curious.

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  19. on July 2, 2015 at 11:16 am rugby11ljh

    What about “How would you know?”

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:33 am Radagast

      Better than walking away or being butthurt, but doesn’t have the requisite wittiness in my opinion. A little too generic a response.

      My favorite of the ones CH mentioned is “I’m taken.” Masterful response. Completely diffuses her “creepy” line while at the same time assuming she wants you and implying another chick has already beaten her to it, which in turn suggests you’re high value and creates instant competition. All in two fucking words and a cocky smile. You want your words working for you, covering as much ground as possible with minimal wasted effort. This response nails it.

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  20. on July 2, 2015 at 11:23 am Survivorman

    “Yeah, I suffer from OCD; Old Creepy Dude”

    This always evokes laughter from them, but keeping that ball rolling has eluded me so far..

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:41 am Radagast

      Hmm, it’s clever but it’s also a little self-deprecating. There’s a thin line between “Agree and Amplify” and negging yourself out of the picture. Hard to pinpoint, but basically you want to amplify it so that it’s an obvious exaggeration. Here, it seems like you’re agreeing humorously, but you’re not amplifying it to the extent necessary to escape the little grains of truth that get smashed to dust with a good A&A. Which is why CH’s “clown costume” response is so strong.

      I’d personally use “I’m taken” if a woman ever called me creepy.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 12:20 pm corvinus

      It’s funny, but it’s also rather lame self-deprecation.

      Silver Fox Rule #1: Never talk about your age, or refer to yourself as “old”.

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  21. on July 2, 2015 at 11:34 am no

    Interesting find for me early this morn on Facebook. Some parent is upset that his or her 19 y.o. daughter (she’s like a 7 maybe tops lolz) has run away with the “52” y.o. neighbor. Anyway here are some of the post’s text and funny enough I know that this girl is likely allowed to have all the crazy bad boys her own age she wants, but now that she has found a stable older man with a plan, he is a “predator.” Ok society continue to burn. Poolside. All that.

    —–
    My heart is broken. Our 19yr old daughter **** left home today with no notice and no forwarding address. Her Dad & I came home to her, her dog and her horse and all her stuff gone. No goodbye. We believe our 52 yr old neighbor took her and all her stuff. He has been obsessed with her for months. We believe they are in the ********, ** area where he is from. All his animals, hay, etc are also all gone today. We want to know she is safe. She will not return our messages. Her phone’s memory was totally deleted and the phone left behind. She is a very loved daughter and we believe is being coerced by this predator type man. If anyone has seen her or her horse please let us know. Thanks!

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 11:07 am Mac

      i don’t know.

      a “stable” older man wouldn’t run off with someone like that. he should have manned man up and discussed his intentions with the parents like an adult. that would have earned their respect and maybe the age thing could have been accepted by the parents at some point. he didn’t do that. he ran off with their daughter like a scared little boy with something to hide. that doesn’t scream “stable” older man to me. if she were my daughter i’d find him and kick his cowardly ass the minute i got wind of where he was.

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  22. on July 2, 2015 at 11:34 am Anonymous

    Good responses but for the A&A I’d rather say something like “wait till I put on my fedora”. I’d rather never reinforce the idea of being a clown, they already think of men that way enough themselves.

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  23. on July 2, 2015 at 11:35 am An Honest Lawyer

    OT (but the takeover of our civilization and final nail in the coffin that just occurred [until the next civil war] this last SCOTUS term is never OT):

    If the Slithery Reptiles (fka Eskimos) had a soul (or a brain–many of them do not, and [while considering themselves to be legal geniuses] truly do not understand U.S. Constitutional law (or property or tort or contract law) or the real foundation of this country, or that white landowning men are the “minorities” whose protection it was the Constitution’s chief aim to protect (from leftists) to which they are not loyal and in which they are infiltrators), they’d be absolutely *ashamed* of what they have done to our “law.” As Chief Justice Roberts stated in dissent:

    … but this Court is not a legislature. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be. The people who ratified the Constitution authorized courts to exercise “neither force nor will but merely judgment.” The Federalist No. 78, p. 465 (C. Rossiter ed. 1961) (A. Hamilton) (capitalization altered). *24 Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not.

    The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a State’s decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture throughout human history can hardly be called irrational. In short, our Constitution does not enact any one theory of marriage. The people of a State are free to expand marriage to include same-sex couples, or to retain the historic definition.Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary step of ordering every State to license and recognize same-sex marriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration.

    But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority’s approach is deeply disheartening. Supporters of same-sex marriage have achieved considerable success persuading their fellow citizens—through the democratic process—to adopt their view. That ends today. Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law. Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept.The majority’s decision is an act of will, not legal judgment.

    The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Court’s precedent. The majority expressly disclaims judicial “caution” and omits even a pretense of humility, openly relying on its desire to remake society according to its own “new insight” into the “nature of injustice.” Ante, at ––––, ––––. As a result, the Court invalidates the marriage laws of more than half the States and orders the transformation of a social institution that has formed the basis of human society for millennia, for the Kalahari Bushmen and the Han Chinese, the Carthaginians and the Aztecs. Just who do we think we are?

    Obergefell v. Hodges, 14-556, 2015 WL 2473451, at *23-24 (U.S. 2015).

    In better news, a hint on how to deal with the Slithery Reptile problem:

    The need for restraint in administering the strong medicine of substantive due process is a lesson this Court has learned the hard way. The Court first applied substantive due process to strike down a statute in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393, 15 L.Ed. 691 (1857). There the Court invalidated the Missouri Compromise on the ground that legislation restricting the institution of slavery violated the implied rights of slaveholders. The Court relied on its own conception of liberty and property in doing so. It asserted that “an act of Congress which deprives a citizen of the United States of his liberty or property, merely because he came himself or brought his property into a particular Territory of the United States … could hardly be dignified with the name of due process of law.” Id., at 450.

    In a dissent that has outlasted the majority opinion, Justice Curtis explained that when the “fixed rules which govern the interpretation of laws [are] abandoned, and the theoretical opinions of individuals are allowed to control” the Constitution’s meaning, “we have no longer a Constitution; we are under the government of individual men, who *for* *the* *time* *being* have power to declare what the Constitution is, according to their own views of what it ought to mean.” Id., at 621. *30

    Dred Scott ‘s holding was overruled on the battlefields of the Civil War and by constitutional amendment after Appomattox, but its approach to the Due Process Clause reappeared. In a series of early 20th-century cases, most prominently Lochner v. New York, this Court invalidated state statutes that presented “meddlesome interferences with the rights of the individual,” and “undue interference with liberty of person and freedom of contract.” 198 U.S., at 60, 61, 25 S.Ct. 539. In Lochner itself, the Court struck down a New York law setting maximum hours for bakery employees, because there was “in our judgment, no reasonable foundation for holding this to be necessary or appropriate as a health law.” Id., at 58, 25 S.Ct. 539.

    Obergefell v. Hodges, 14-556, 2015 WL 2473451, at *29-30 (U.S. 2015) (emphasis added).

    The key words here are “for the time being” and “battlefields of the Civil War.”

    Do you catch Justice Roberts’s drift?

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  24. on July 2, 2015 at 11:38 am no

    eferting in mods tewday

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  25. on July 2, 2015 at 11:46 am How To Blow Past Girls Dropping The “Creep” Bomb | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  26. on July 2, 2015 at 12:14 pm The Lone Planet

    Here’s one,

    Just walk away.

    Problem solved.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 12:27 pm Sentient

      Preserves ego, does not solve anything. Game is a game… have FUN with it. Seriously once you embrace every challenge and try to solve the present riddle, you can have a blast. while doing so you are inculcating the mindset of abundance, which translates into solid frame and subcomms… A virtuous cycle develops. But you have to do the work.

      so DO the work. Go out and push every set… get blown out. Have a LOL and go on to the next one.

      EVERY girl has a Rubik’s Cube in her head, solve it and the legs open. can you solve it? Are you MAN ENOUGH to solve it?

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 2:38 pm mendozatorres

        Read this are the right time. Keep seeing women left and right, not approaching for reasons of take-your-pick CH wrote about earlier.

        I like the workout and Rubik’s cube analogy. Shit fired me up!

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 3:51 pm jez

        “Game is a game… have FUN with it.”

        But turning your back and walking away from a cunt with no manners IS fun.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 5:14 pm Sentient

        “But turning your back and walking away from a cunt with no manners IS fun.”

        As much as turning her and having your dick in her mouth an hour later? Really?

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:30 pm walawala

        @Sentient this is a good analogy. There are shit tests that do annoy me—the ones from my crazy ex….I just couldn’t stand anymore because they came from a place of nastiness but they were a kind of defense mechanism I just didn’t feel like ploughing through so I eventually just walked away. I walk away.

        But I did manage to reframe it with the newest target who was being flakey, pushing back with “i’ll let you know my plans”.

        Me: “Seems it’s time for me to make an executive decision. Friday, late lunch …..and logistics”

        That “seems like it’s time for me to make an executive decision” was a kind of Hail Mary but I realized it was far more assertive than “Why not?????” or “Come on, just let me know…” which I have honestly said in the past out of desperation or sheer frustration.

        “Seems like it’s time for me to make an executive decision”….the worst she could have said was “Sorry can’t…” but this girl agreed to it….then started to reveal her flakiness was based on a kind of typical forebrain/hindbrain conflict about meeting a guy she just met on what was clearly a “date”…that she framed as “showing me around”.

        Doesn’t matter…you have to be in it to win it…..she wants to consider it as a tour guide thing….fine…I need to be out….worse case…we have a few laughs and it leads no where and I learn something….best case…bang.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 4:07 pm PWN

        Sentient, it depends. I stood up a couple of girls for being shit because I was fucking other girls at the time. I took a gold digger on a date and I could have took her home, but I preferred walking out on her and having her pay the enormous tab she ran. Just don’t turn doing things like this into a limiting belief that will harm your sex life.

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 7:32 am Captain Obvious

        > “gold digger… I preferred walking out on her and having her pay the enormous tab she ran” —– Okay, I burst out laughing. Did you really do that, or are you just sh!tting us?

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 4:25 pm PWN

        Yes, I asked this girl out and she said that yes, but only if we go to this coffee shop that used to be one of the most expensive places in my city. I had a coffee, she ordered a coffee, some cookies and a bottle of water. Her tab was about 15% of the average monthly wage for my country and since we were both teenagers, I don’t know if she had money to pay. I just put the money for what I had to pay on the table, excused myself and left. I don’t know if I could have banged her eventually, but even if I could have she would have cost more than a high class escort here. I somewhat hope she had to do dishes. I regret not calling her again to ask her out. Lol

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  27. on July 2, 2015 at 12:20 pm An Honest Lawyer

    CH: Justice Scalia has heartened me today.

    We know that the slithery reptiles are oh so proud of what they have done to this country’s system of law the past 8 years.

    And we know something else.

    “Pride, we know, goeth before a fall.”

    -Antonin Scalia (2015)

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  28. on July 2, 2015 at 12:59 pm Loyalist

    Up in Canada, and presumably for you boys stateside, I noticed an odd trend in university and shortly after for girls to declare that they had a “stalker.” The phenomenon became ubiquitous and any girl worth her salt (y vagina) *had* to have a “stalker,” meaning, a guy who expressed romantic interest in them and had undertaken steps to court them. In these girls’ fantastical minds, these guys followed them around and obsessed over them. This was pre-facebook age (c. 2000-2007).*

    Only later on did I finally start calling them on it, as in,

    Ditzy admin assistant: “omg I saw my stalker today”

    Fine young cannibal: “oh yeah, did you file a police report?

    Ditzy admin ass.:”um no”

    Fyc: “lolz”

    *this was followed up by “omg he creeped me on facebook”

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  29. on July 2, 2015 at 1:17 pm Disheartened

    I just got it! Our esteemed leader CH is, in fact, Justice Scalia!!!

    Brilliant, Your Honor.

    Your Honor, Please, please, please never stop fighting for truth, law, a government of law over men, justice (such as majority rights), correct interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, and Western Civilization.

    Please give enough of us the courage to join the fight while not losing our ability to protect our children.

    That is my prayer today.

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  30. on July 2, 2015 at 1:48 pm Disheartened

    Short comment in case my long ones stay in mod: The majority’s decision in Obergefell is nothing less than treasonous. It takes all power from the people, once and for all, in clear violation of the 9th and 10th Amendments. The majority opinion is laughably wrong, and any lawyer who purports to agree with it is either (1) stupid and should be disbarred or (2) an evil, disloyal Slithery Reptile actively working against the Constitution, and should be disbarred (and deported).

    The slippery slope from Griswald to Roe to Planned Parenthood v. Casey to the dark, disgusting end of Obergefell was completed on June 26, 2015. While normal reality-TV-watching sheeple don’t know it, that was an historic date in this nation’s history. Our “Ruler” (as Scalia put it) is the 5 unelected, politically motivated lawyers who are the majority of the SCOTUS. That’s been true since the late 1960s, but in Obergefell, the current majority removed any pretense of pretending otherwise.

    While doing that, the majority expressly labeled all normal, heterosexual people who realize that marriage between a man and a woman (and marriage in general) is to promote protection of children, as bigots. The enemy dictator has declared war on normal people expressly and directly.

    What are we going to do about it?

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  31. on July 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm PIATTI

    my question what do you win if you solve it..? imo .. going into a negative bitchs orbit ..is certainly challenging..but a waste of time ..

    become a fucking valuable man .. respect your time and energy..your primary goal in life cant be to get pussy if you want to be healthy and successful ..women are a by product..

    ..take acting classes..and dance for 2 yrs to integrate your body emotion and intellect as an instrument you control.. once you control your instrument you can use it to great effect b/c so few do.. then its like why would you waste your time trying to get the attention.. of some programmed variation of a sitcom character

    fake it till you make is only for courage ..skill and intelligence dispel the need to fake it.. you cant fake success

    * Im not saying game isnt great to learn and having a complete understanding of how women work isnt extremely valuable .. but if you have to lower yourself into a culture to relate to them..you cant help but diminish your own value

    discipline and discernment ..they aint fun.. but imo are more valuable than memorized improv lines to break the ice with a bitch

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm PIATTI

      one last thing ..forget the obsession w acting like an alpha or becoming an alpha ..its purely nonsensical theoretics..become who you really are is way more valuable..harder to achieve.. authenticity is in limited supply.. do you think you can fool anyone..? and if so who ..a double digit IQ club girl ..really great

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm James Blonde

        You make a bunch of good points. I hate it when dudes “change” when girls come around all because they think it will get them some pussy.

        Even before I knew about game I declared jam sessions at my house to be “girl free zones”; they contributed nothing and always turned into distractions.

        Nobody lost any pussy because of that rule.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:00 pm YMCA

        “jam” sessions at the Mineshaft were also girl free zones, as I recall…

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 7:31 pm James Blonde

        WTH is the ‘mineshaft” and how do you know about it?

        is that a selfie?

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 3:54 pm Tilikum

      riiiiiight….

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 5:17 pm Sentient

      Piatti – I could go with the thrust of what your trying to say… but for this

      “if you have to lower yourself into a culture to relate to them”

      and this

      “do you think you can fool anyone..? and if so who ..a double digit IQ club girl ”

      The assumption because you get shit tested, which is a natural and mostly required part of game and that the girls are dumb or from a lower culture because they are shit testing you.

      for every guy who is blown out by a stupid bitchy cunt, there is another that she is swallowing for, texting, orbiting… It’s just not you. That is the frame…

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 1:54 am Mac

        “that the girls are dumb or from a lower culture because they are shit testing you.”

        i agree with the main point of your post. all girls shit test to some extent.

        but…

        from what i’ve observed, the low IQ, low class girls do seem to confuse bitchiness, sarcasm, vulgarity, and sluttiness with strength, humor, wit, and charm A LOT more than the smart, upper class girls do.

        you just don’t find many of the girls at the country club or high class venues being argumentative and bitchy to everyone in the room, saying f*ck this f*ck that, chugging beers and belching, or bragging about their notch count.

        however, you do see that a lot in divey taverns, at monster truck rallies, nascar races, and anywhere else that dumb low class girls might gather.

        coincidence? i don’t think so.

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  32. on July 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm mendozatorres

    Tattoo ruins it: http://i.imgur.com/VbwbdHl.jpg

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  33. on July 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm ATC

    Blank-slate Evangelical do-gooders getting it good and (try-)hard.

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2015/july/three-scenes-open-secret-in-christian-adoption-circles-and-.html

    They recount incidents of violence and hours-long raging…They lament the plight of healthier i.e. white siblings who aren’t getting the attention they need…They talk about the strain in their formerly strong marriages, and the list goes on. Sleep deprivation. Secondary trauma. Hopelessness. Failure.

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  34. on July 2, 2015 at 3:52 pm Tilikum

    Psychogame (my standard, cause its kinda expected)

    Her: “You’re a creep”

    Me: “Nope. The witness was never found and I was acquitted with prejudice and THAT, young lady, means that I can never be charged again. Little miss smartypants”

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm no

      No waaay. Thats what the last dead hooker said too

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 5:39 pm Tilikum

        Lol. There ya go

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  35. on July 2, 2015 at 4:15 pm Putin

    Wow, i really pissed off a Russian women. Will be interesting to see where this goes. She hangs at my HP. About a 6-7. Something sexy about her though. Was not trying for a number.

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  36. on July 2, 2015 at 4:26 pm Guy de Somme

    Why…
    SO !!
    SERIOUSSSS!!

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 5:04 pm Anonymous

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WxrzOPerTZw

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  37. on July 2, 2015 at 4:32 pm Putin

    I rarely see 9’s and 10’s pull the creep shit.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 4:38 pm no

      5000 white knights are ready to jump in and call you that before she gets the chance

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  38. on July 2, 2015 at 5:16 pm Sam

    Pre-game awareness me responded to a ‘creepy’ by calling a girl a cunt. It was a moment of butthurtness, but I think it so utterly defied her expectations that she couldn’t help but be intrigued.

    Is there anything to ‘cunt’ game?

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 5:21 pm whorefinder

      Depends on how you said it, but I could picture it working, especially if said in a dismissive-but-assertive manor and then you turned away.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 5:55 pm Thoroughbred

        I was sitting at a beach bar once and a cute, but completely entitled drunk E. Coast rich bitch sat next to me, looked at me and said “I’m guessing you’re a total douche.” The only reason I can surmise she said it is that I had my feet on the bar. I casually looked over at her and said, “How very cunty of you.”

        After that she was sweet as pie and we had a rather nice conversation.

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:06 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        “Just part douche”

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:13 pm Sentient

        on my mother’s side…

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      • on July 2, 2015 at 6:26 pm The Other Anonymous

        This.

        Amused mastery.

        If a dog barks at you – do you run away, curse at it, take offense or spend all day thinking about something snappy to say?

        No, you turn and look it square in the eye.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 12:46 am Glengarry

        Of the Sag Harbour Douchés, actually.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:36 pm Tilikum

      I’d say: “is that what you want us to do for Halloween this year? Creepy and Cunty? Kinda like Raggedy Anne and Andy huh. Welllll I suppose…. “

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  39. on July 2, 2015 at 5:18 pm whorefinder

    “Creepy” really pisses me off. I’ve had two girls whom I’ve met and made out with that night call me creepy when we’re on a break from tonsil hockey (the meet, makeout, and creepy call all occur all on the same night; however, I met the two girls on separate nights).

    It seems to be either a shit test or a way to be sure I’ll never contact them again.

    In both circumstances, I got angry (probably too angry). “Wow. You just dropped the C-bomb. Would you like it if a guy you liked called you fat or ugly to your face?” I said to one of of them (probably the second one, the first would have had me stunned).

    I walked away from both rather pissy. Not cool, but really an H-bomb.

    On this point, I’m torn from playing the game the right way (as Heartiste suggests) and just dropping the “you’re fat and ugly” bomb on them and turning away. To me, the word “creepy” is an extreme bomb, and deserves to be responded to with appropriate force.

    TL;DR creepy rape!

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  40. on July 2, 2015 at 5:21 pm Sentient

    @OnmyWay – check out the resources @YaReally posted a few months back… how to approach learning game in 2015, the foundation and order. it will save you a lot of time just experimenting and build a great foundation….

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/essenbetenficken/#comment-659661

    and also check out his archive. Yareallyarchive.com

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  41. on July 2, 2015 at 5:39 pm Sentient

    Just of interest Mystery infield and his voice over commentary

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  42. on July 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm Danger

    Being labeled creep is an easy $hit test I mastered years ago with a simple sentence.

    Her: Ew don’t be creepy
    Danger: I’m the hottest creep you will ever meet
    Her: LOL you are so cocky!

    I was fvking her not too long after that.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 8:37 pm Tilikum

      is good.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:58 pm PWN

      I think the you’re cocky/arrogant or the sarcastic ‘you’re so modest’ are the most frequent shit tests I get. Lol

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  43. on July 2, 2015 at 6:40 pm Blase

    Chicks are stupid, and most of them have an iq of a dung beetle when it comes to the terms “Creepy, Weirdo, Strange,Stalker,etc.

    BRB – Posting a ton of personal information online, strange man contacts her using said personal information -“OMG this guy just stalked me”

    BRB – Wearing cleavage-revealing top to show off tits to prospective male suitors so she can have her holes plugged. Random guy gazes in her direction for 0.564 seconds – “OMG that guy is such a pervert/creep”

    It all comes from the over-inflated social media-induced fake ego, which gives them a sense of false self worth…. I mean,it’s fashionable these days to have a male stalker, creep, pervert, weirdo following you in this feminazi western society.

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  44. on July 2, 2015 at 7:02 pm Beefy Levinson

    The other day I approached a girl in broad daylight at the library and said, “Hello. I think you’re cute and I’d like your number.” The look on her face was priceless. “I… you… wow. Just wow. Oh, I mean that in a good way! Thank you so much for coming right up and saying that! That was amazing!” We banter back and forth for a bit before I demand her number. She looks crestfallen. “Well… the truth is I kinda have a boyfriend. I’m sorry.” I reply, “So?” That got a good laugh, but she remained steadfast.

    Looking back on it, I wasn’t especially witty or charming. I definitely need to make more approaches. But just approaching at all really boosts your confidence even if you get rejected.

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 7:46 pm walawala

      @Beefy….this is the way to keep building inner game. Approach, get used to hearing yourself say those things you once deemed outrageous…then you’ll start to build up a vibe…that will result in the kind of outcome you’re looking for.

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 10:16 am Putin

      That’s what I’m talking about! Nice Beefy. Don’t think for a second she will forget about you. That kind of thing stays with them. Trust me I know women. If you see her again expect ioi. You did what most guys are afraid to do. Basic primal, cut through the B.S.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:53 pm PWN

      Well, you said something ballsy. Girls like ballsy. Good job, BTW.

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  45. on July 2, 2015 at 7:13 pm H2

    OT: Has anyone else noticed advertisements and public declarations to have a happy “4th of July?” I don’t think I’ve heard it called “Independence Day.”

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    • on July 2, 2015 at 11:29 pm whorefinder

      We are no longer independent, so the name does not apply.

      People ask me how I’m going to celebrate the holiday. I’ve been responding “You don’t celebrate the birthdays of things that are already dead.”

      Except perhaps martyrs to their causes (MLK) or really famous dudes in honor (Washington).

      But to celebrate “America’s Birthday” is the same as celebrating “Rome’s Birthday” or “the Mongol Empire’s Birthday.”

      Worthless, unless you’re trying to ignite a new movement based on it.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 2:33 pm Anonymous

      Yes! Can’t give the wrong message you know.

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  46. on July 2, 2015 at 7:17 pm Imperial Leather

    Any time a chick says anything that’s designed to test me and is disrespectful I consider to be in the same category as the chick version of locker room talk, or on the field trash talk.

    It’s designed to rile me and put me off my game, and I slap it down appropriate to the context, the skill and the beauty of the interlocutor.

    This trash talk I just can’t take seriously.

    Chicks just can’t do locker room talk as well as men, so this is what they resort to.

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    • on July 5, 2015 at 7:43 am Captain Obvious

      I saw some groids [both adult and juvenile] “playing” hoops on an outdoor concrete court yesterday, and the sh!t-talking and finger-pointing and in-your-face theatrics were like watching a pack of hyenas and lions going at one another. It’s no wonder that almost all the human parents have abandoned basketball and now have their human children in swimming and gymnastics and volleyball and the like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DJc9U3N1M&t=3m20s

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 7:43 am Captain Obvious

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 8:12 am James Blonde

        maybe you can get your job back at starbucks?

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  47. on July 2, 2015 at 7:20 pm Ripp

    (pregnant pause)….”give it a rest”

    ive used this successfully many times. the frame is basically talking down to her like a bratty lil kid.

    it’s always worked and they go on the defensive right away. “I’m just kidding etc.”

    also i notice this almost exclusively from 6s and 7s. Women who are a solid notch below and slipping…and they’d rather DQ a smooth cad to assuage themselves then be feminine and genuine.

    sometimes ill got tactical nuke:
    “Listen. Not gunna have sex w u…and get to the gym. (Backturn).”
    That’s rare and only if I don’t care about blowing up the account.

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  48. on July 2, 2015 at 9:42 pm Blessent

    OT. Re Game in Movies.

    Quote:

    Jack: Your brother’s an old-fashioned man. He believes in his sister’s honor. Me, I ‘m a modern man, the 20th-century type, I run.

    That’s from a 1949 movie. I’m going to guess some longtime readers can, movie unseen, guess the context. Others can do the goog. While it might not exactly be game –too self-deprecating maybe, it is honest, prescient, and pithy.

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  49. on July 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm cptnemo2013

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

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  50. on July 2, 2015 at 11:04 pm itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  51. on July 2, 2015 at 11:37 pm Mickey MG

    Tinder semantics:

    She asks “have you ever had sex with people from Tinder?” (She has)

    You say:

    Yes: she might think you won’t judge her, odds are she still won’t tell you. Some of them do. How come you hear so many stories of Tinder hook-ups if women aren’t having sex then? Suspicious heh.

    No: She definitely won’t tell you now, but you know better.

    “I just downloaded this”
    “How does this work”
    “It’s my third day in here actually lol”

    Beware of

    “Not looking for sex”
    “Just friendship”
    “If you’re looking for sex swipe left”
    “I’m not like the other girls”

    Since when do women know what they want?

    PD: LA, land of sluts. Visit LA.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:46 pm PWN

      Why would you beware of girls that aren’tlooking for sex? Girls that yyou can get to meet easily can be used as pivots and for social proof. It’s retardedly easier to get girls if you social proof with other girls.

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  52. on July 3, 2015 at 6:43 am Sentient

    All right boys… It’s Fourth Weekend in Merika…. At countless beaches, lakes and pools you will see them. Throngs of skimpily clad young things… just waiting… waiting… waiting…

    What will you do?

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 6:44 am Sentient

      Let’s hear your best openers…

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 2:31 pm James Blonde

        Look, I know you guys are anti question mark; but in terms of openers, Ive never received a “no” from these 3 words:

        “do you party?”

        I got my follow up line to a “yeah” answer,

        you gotta have yours.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 5:52 pm whorefinder

        James Blonde, lol. Please post pictures and namesof any non-black females who willing hook up with you, so we know who the whores are.

        Negro rape!

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 5:49 am deathtoamerica321

        “You come here because you can’t afford air conditioning, huh?”

        “I can touch every part of my body with my hands, even the center of my back [demonstrate this for her]. You probably can’t, so I’ll get that little part there in the center of your back. Don’t worry, I won’t touch your bottom — only the morbidly obese can’t reach their bottom and that’s why they need a Rag On A Stick to clean up back there. I’m a perfect gentleman and would never think of touching you there.”

        “Lying in the sun all day will make you look old and wrinkled before your time, so I hope you slathered on plenty of SPF 5000.”

        “You ever seen old photos where everyone’s on the beach in three-piece suits….. What’s up with that?”

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 6:05 am deathtoamerica321

        “Did you know sun exposure raises a man’s testosterone levels? It’s true. And T levels really spike when a man exposes his genitals to the sun. Was that last part a little creepy?”

        “Why are you torturing me with your barely-clothed body? We both know you would never touch me, even if I were the last man on Earth. You’d rather do it with a dog or a horse to see where that goes, maybe make a mandog hybrid, before you’d ever let me touch you. Go put on some clothes!”

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 9:51 am having a bad day

      Sentient

      also boys…gear up for cold approaching but be aware of your surroundings/potential open possibilities and be ready for a warm approach…spot these by noticing cute girls doing things seemly at random, which are really just girls talking openly to you on their subcomm channels = other girls know exactly what that girl is saying…lol…but most guys won’t pick up on their behavior…but if you spot this, you are already at A2 (mystery method)…AND you spotting this is a HUGH DHV…lol…

      FR example…last night getting ice at convenience store…hb6(5 face/7 body)/early 20’s/bottle blond/bikini w/gauzy coverup and flip flops…in line ahead of me, she turns and notices me standing there contrapposto (my default pose now…), i’m ignoring her waiting to pay, she turns around again to double check to make sure i haven’t noticed her/checked her out…lol…i engage the cashier and flirt/banter with her a bit (she’s nb5 on a great day…lol…so at least a full point lower than bikini girl).

      bikini girl hears the banter and stops at the door, turns around and stands in the path to the door looking at the impulse buy stuff on the counter (it was like an alien being took control of her body and turned her around…lol…but it was really just her hindbrain…). she’s standing there in the path, so to leave i have to squeeze past her to get to the door. as i approach closer she leans forward to look closer at the stuff, sticking her butt out at me (i.e. if i open her it’s on…lol)…she asks the cashier if they have ‘capricorn’ (which was right at the top of the display…lol), she gets a bitchy ‘NO’ from cashier girl (who knew exactly what bikini girl was doing…lol…and so did i bc of game…lol). i slide by bikini girl’s booty and out the door…she wasn’t cute enough to open…lol… she exits store as i get to my car looking crabby…lol…i think her perceived smv took a big hit…lol…

      relevant link:

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/the-alpha-male-pose/

      good luck out there this weekend!

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      • on July 6, 2015 at 7:52 pm Sentient

        You are a treasure habd …. So much going on out there .

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:50 am Culum Struan

        HABD – that contrapposto thing is very interesting. I’m going to try making it my default posture but the weight distribution feels kinda funny (I just tried it in the mirror now, lol)

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:53 am Culum Struan

        Incidentally, Sentient – this HABD FR reminds me of reading Michael Crichton’s autobiog where he says he quit medicine because a truly exceptional surgeon was a guy who could do a thousand gall bladder procedures (or whatever) and find something new and interesting to learn in each one, and he knew he wasn’t that guy when he started thinking “If you’ve taken out one gall bladder, you’ve seen them all”.

        Same with Game. I found the the details of that FR fascinating, so did you (so did HABD obv). But how many guys (even on CH) would be like “3 paras to say you walked past a girl without talking to her? WTF?”

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 9:55 am having a bad day

      Sentient

      in the stack…it’s got a mini FR too…f’ing auto mod…lol

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 3:39 pm The Other Anonymous

      How long are you going to lay there like that? Because – my prescription says I should call the Doctor if it lasts more than 4 hours…

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 5:38 am deathtoamerica321

      Stare at them through my sunglasses like a creepy weirdo and never say a word. They don’t want me — they wish I would just die already so the weather will improve because Science.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 10:39 am VRW

        this guy gets it. Def2’murika

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  53. on July 3, 2015 at 6:51 am Culum Struan

    Walawala – good tip on the lion bite picture btw. I started sending it to girls as part of my keeping in touch routine when travelling yesterday.

    It’s great for spiking emotions. I’ve already had one attractive 30 yr old Pilates teacher change her Whatsapp pic to the lion bite pic and start talking about how she’s a Leo and needs a man to “help with her tail” and how she gets up to hunt but otherwise likes to lie in the shade and make love 20 times a day..:)

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 10:24 am having a bad day

      Culum

      are any of your girls in same/potentially close social circle? What happens if they all change their whatsapp pics?…lol…mass mailing is efficient, but also can have consequences…

      good luck!

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 1:53 pm Culum Struan

        LOL at HABD. Fortunately not (or atleast I don’t think so). The vast majority of these girls are from online dating sites, spread across the cities I travel to most often so I should be safe, although it’s not impossible of course.

        Wala: Indeed. The pilates girl is actually European, although she lives here and it clearly works with her.

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 11:50 am walawala

      @Culum good to hear. It always works for me…this is one easy way to sexualize it. The fact that your girl “got it”…is evidence it transcends boundaries and cultures. Game is game.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 5:04 am Culum Struan

        My reply to this in mod of course – only two paras.

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  54. on July 3, 2015 at 8:59 am Charles&Friends

    Unrelated to the post:

    “Christian sex education program at Fairhills High School tells schoolgirls that too much sex will break their ‘chemical bond'”

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/christian-sex-education-program-at-fairhills-high-school-tells-schoolgirls-that-too-much-sex-will-break-their-chemical-bond-20150702-gi3o7g.html

    Of note from the article:

    “Having multiple sex partners is almost like tape that loses its stickiness after being applied and removed multiple times. So the more you have the harder it is to bond to the next,” it said.”

    Of course everyone is up in arms about what a sexist he is… facts are painful.

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  55. on July 3, 2015 at 10:44 am Ooga Booga

    Reverse Shit Test

    “BOOORR-ING!”
    —————————-

    Highly effective and so much fun.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:43 pm PWN

      Lol, I was ranting about some economics minutiae to my ex and she said that it’s boring. So I told her she’s boring. She told me I’m boring. So I told her her pussy is boring. It was funny because she blushed even if I was referring to her cat. So I started to tease her about her mind being in the gutter.

      Anyway, I have a rule of thumb for when girls call you anything. If nothing comes up in the moment, just accuse them of the same thing they accused you of. Even if it’s preposterous, she’ll laugh.

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      • on July 6, 2015 at 8:40 am Captain Obvious

        SHE: “…blah blah blah creepy!” YOU: “You know, technically speaking, it’s pretty dadgum creepy of you to be thinking creepy thoughts like that. You creep. Creep-ette. Whatever a creepy chick is supposed to be called. Stalker? Stalk much?”

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  56. on July 3, 2015 at 12:08 pm onmyway

    A shit test I encountered recently.

    Talking to the girl, seems quite engaged. 15 min into the convo I mention that I go to the gym and she says “I don’t like guys that go to the gym. Actually, I like only one guy like that”. I answered “Now it’s two” but I felt I came kind of short with this one. Ideas i came up with later:

    * “So you’re into skinny gay dudes?”
    * “I know, me”
    * Ignore.

    Any other propositions?

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm Putin

      First response would be “then you would really hate me”.

      Easy set up there.

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm Benson

      Ignore.

      Putin’s answer is really good, but I like this the best. Nothing beats a condescending smirk and a subject change when a girl offers her unsolicited opinion about your habits.

      If you’re in a group setting and she says something dumb like that, tilt your head and stare at her for a second and then start another conversation thread with someone else.

      You’ll pass her shit test and perhaps get a few laughs from the group.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 6:15 pm Putin

        Hey Benson, I was thinking about that women you first talked about here. Ever hear from her?

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 6:35 pm Benson

        Hey Benson, I was thinking about that women you first talked about here. Ever hear from her?

        Nope. But it’s probably for the best. I think my Betaness saved me a lot of heartache.

        She ticks off between seven and nine of CH’s slut tells, depending on how generous I’m feeling, and she has some very serious baggage after losing her husband a couple of years ago.

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 6:43 pm Benson

        Hey Benson, I was thinking about that women you first talked about here. Ever hear from her?

        No–huge slut, lots of baggage. Glad she’s gone.

        Fucking mod.

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      • on July 3, 2015 at 7:39 pm Putin

        Interesting. Looks like it was a blessing in disguise. You are wiser for the wear.
        You could be married to a crazy and have to play hard game all the time to keep her under control

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 2:37 pm Putin

        Benson, just run of the mill slut or this… http://illimitablemen.com/tag/dark-triad-women/

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 10:41 pm Benson

        Benson, just run of the mill slut or this…

        Possibly. She’s a drama queen with a traumatic past, and she shit tested constantly. She dropped me the minute I went beta.

        I fucked her a whole bunch before things fell apart. So at least there’s that.

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 2:25 am walawala

        @Benson…yah, I know this girl… My struggle is now not to make her feel bad…but to keep finding ways to make myself feel good….staying away, not responding, ignoring…moving on…those are good things…

        I think many guys are programmed to be fixers….using a hammer to kill a fly…game is more like using sugar to trap flies…and kill them.

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 11:44 am Benson

        I think many guys are programmed to be fixers

        She killed that reflex in me with all the post-break up mind games. Honestly though, I’m grateful. Because of her, I can spot a cluster B time bomb a mile away–and I know to run in the opposite direction when I do.

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      • on July 6, 2015 at 2:34 am walawala

        @Benson with Cluster B girls, they are ungameable… they shape shift…you go asshole, they fold into a needy mess…you treat them normal…they go mental, heap guilt….I’ve used every great line, every great game approach only to have it manipulated or twisted.

        Now…my response to solicitous contacts is nothing… Last year my crazy ex gf after pulling a huge drama on me…wrote to wish me a “belated happy birthday”….my response… a week later: “oh…” Non-responses…that’s what separates you from the hordes of thirsty beta orbiters these girls attract.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 4:37 am Culum Struan

      I think “Now it’s two” is fine, as long as said with the right attitude and smirk. Wouldn’t say the “skinny..” line – falling into her frame

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 5:57 am deathtoamerica321

      I’d ask “Why?” It’s such a dumb thing for her to say, and I want to give her enough rope with which to hang herself. Whenever a slit says something fullretard like this, ask her why, make her qualify and explain herself. Most times she’ll just make herself look stupid and distance herself from her prior stupidity.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 3:15 pm PWN

      Eh, I only go there so that the pilates girls will have someone to look at is what came to mind, but you should just ignore stupid things girls say if nothing comes to mind. I would have told her she sounds like she speaks from experience. Then depending on her answer, you can tease her about her being around the gym and sexualize it or deflect her response and make it about her going to the gym/being athletic.

      Also, if she works out, there’s tons of gym humor. You can say you hate gym guys too because they always complain about you curling in the squat rack. Lol

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  57. on July 3, 2015 at 12:19 pm bring da movies

    http://5newsonline.com/2014/06/16/police-fort-smith-woman-attacked-with-bat-at-walmart/

    H-he a good boy, he DINDU NUFFIN!!!

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    • on July 3, 2015 at 5:54 pm whorefinder

      At least we know where James Blonde lives now.

      And why he won’t be posting this weekend.

      rape!

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 6:45 am James Blonde

        evidently Im living rent free inside your skull

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 8:41 pm whorefinder

        rofl. you’re definitely living rent free somewhere, darkie boy!

        what’s the mater, though? no pictures from the trash you picked up this weekend? There’s always the club ho’s, brotha!

        brotha rape!

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:42 pm anon33

      yet we are racist if we are weary of an animal who looks like that

      http://5newsonline.com/2014/06/16/police-fort-smith-woman-attacked-with-bat-at-walmart/

      fuck this gay jew-controlled earth

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  58. on July 3, 2015 at 12:55 pm Putin

    If there is one post which exemplifies how to own a women it would be in the Alpha Assessment Submissions under “James Harmon”. This is some dark stuff which I do not necessarily recommend. But with that said he did things here that very few know how to do. Big difference between owning and using.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 9:27 pm Captain Obvious

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/alpha-assessment-submissions/#comment-601937

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  59. on July 3, 2015 at 8:23 pm Stryker

    Not sure how you would catagorize this retort, but this would be mine and I have used it before:

    “Yeah…I could see how you would have a lot of experience with creepers”

    I can’t think of a time it didnt work and it always feels like spiking the football. Which is always what I’m personally aiming for.

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    • on July 6, 2015 at 8:43 am Captain Obvious

      Thread winner and COTW.

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  60. on July 3, 2015 at 9:09 pm James1

    OT:

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 10:36 am deathtoamerika321

      Bathhouse Barry would win if he ran for a third term…….

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  61. on July 4, 2015 at 1:37 am dershaggy

    Check it out: Sugar Daddies Are Paying Their Share Of The $1.3 Trillion Student Loan Balance

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-03/sugar-daddies-are-paying-their-share-13-trillion-student-loan-balance

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  62. on July 4, 2015 at 3:12 am Lazer

    Had to deal with a Mother Hen (MH) pulling this on me earlier tonight. She swung in after I rolled up on a two set. Both were digging the vibe, until *she* appeared.

    MH: You are no longer allowed in this conversation.

    At this point she put up a shield, and I stood there took a sip from my drink, and dove back in.

    Me: Who the fuck are you, their mother?

    MH: Do you smoke, or were you, cause you smell like it.

    Me: Yes. (I was nursing a couple black and milds)

    MH: Well shes not supposed to. (gesturing to the target)

    Me: (turning to the target) Lets go and have a smoke (turning to her and going to move her outside)

    Her: No, they are coming with me. (She grabs both and all three walk off)

    Later in the night I went and squatted in front of the hole group as they were sitting on a couch.

    Me: Hey, lets go have that smoke (to the target)

    MH: You are a creep. Get out of here.

    Me: Well thanks, I know I am dear. Its only natural for you to spot your own kind.

    MH: (to some random guy Id met earlier) Excuse me, can you get him out of here.

    At this point the random guy (who I ended up befriending later in the evening, and sent him to a tertiary site of this) ask me to leave the scene. i wasnt about to get in a fight as the location was one of my new haunts.

    Her: Get out of here, no one wants you around.

    Me: *Dread glare*

    I then went to the other side of the pool table, finished my drink, gave her the dread eye, and went back to approaching.

    Do you have any advice on dealing with Mother hens? Im convinced these girls are not only nusciance inside of the venue, but actively cockblock during the rest of the deal as well.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:09 pm quixotic

      Ya you need a wingman to be the grenade. That way he can focus on entertaining the hen. Also open the whole set, you likely alienated her and made her feel threatened rather than included. Should have addressed the whole group, then after the hen is distracted with wingman you isolate target for that smoke.

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  63. on July 4, 2015 at 4:06 am How To Blow Past Girls Dropping The “Cree...

    […] Disgust, more than fear, dampens women’s sexual arousal. As a devoted skirt chaser, it’s better to make a girl a little afraid of you than it is to disgust her.  […]

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  64. on July 4, 2015 at 6:20 am Johnny Boy

    “Me, a creep? Those women tied up in my basement would beg to differ.”

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  65. on July 4, 2015 at 6:55 am Kate Minter

    Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
    Whose broad plights and bright scars through the perilous fight,
    O’er the man parts we watched were so gallantly screaming?
    And the socket’s red glare, creep bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our slag was still there.
    Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 9:37 am The Old Codger

      Every time I get the lyrics down pat, they change the words to my favorite Brit drinking song! ……Abe Lincoln

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 11:34 am deathtoamerika321

      I pledge obeisance to the sodomites
      of the United States of Gomorrah
      and to the diseases which they create,
      one act, fecal marriage, so execrable,
      with incontinence and leakage for all.

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  66. on July 4, 2015 at 7:02 am onmyway

    First week of approaching random girls and it’s been an interesting experience. At the beginning of the “session” I always feel a bit anxious but after a few sets it’s like I can approach any chick on the planet. My current biggest problem is that if first 2-3 approaches go badly, I completely lose my energy/vibe. Will need to work on that.

    I am currently applying “forcing an IOI” technique I saw in Gambler’s video. I smile and wave my hand at any attractive girl I see. Some of them don’t see/ignore it, some of them smile back. It’s not necessary but it somehow gives me the “green light” and more confidence before the actual approach.

    Genuine question: at which point of the convo should one try to number close? Going too early is a guaranteed flake, on the other hand you don’t want to spend an hour and end up empty-handed.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 7:25 am Culum Struan

      Onmyway – Basically when you’ve built enough comfort that there’s a decent chance she won’t flake. Old school Mystery Method rule of thumb was 20 mins in a club but depends on girl. Also there are tricks to improve your chances like calling the girl then and there and making her answer phone in front of you, time bridging etc – see YaReally’s archives, there’s a lot on this

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 8:06 am Sentient

      A few thoughts for you. Lets see what gets through the stack. So briefly first consider why a number? Is this just a stair step limiting belief that you need a number then a date then etc. Before sex?

      I would try to push your interactions for a snl and then default back to a number if you can’t pull it off.

      Most girls have decided in the first 15 minutes or less if they would fuck you… A lot of the rest of the time is you convincing her otherwise. Lol. Yes there is asd and lmr to overcome BUT that’s going from would to will fuck you.

      Are you sex worthy? If so why seek a number? Of she likes you enough to give a number and not flake and meet up and date and then have sex etc. She likes you enough to just have sex. You just have to lead her there and manage asd and lmr.

      It just happened is a cliche for a reason.

      Initiate isolate try and extract her escalate… And if that all fails get the number.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:11 am Sentient

        Numbers seem best for day game quick hits since logistics are more likely fucked than in night game. Paul Janka google his vids . he says he can’t get more out of 10 minutes than 2 minutes… So he splits in a few minutes with a number.

        Also definitely see yareally s post to me on the Essen thread here about core game materials and Lear ing order. Tried to link but gets eaten. It will save you a year of hit or miss stuff on your own and then you will understand the why behind the how of game. All will make so much more sense!

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 3:31 pm PWN

        While I agree with you that if a random girl gives you her number, there’s the chance to fuck her, I don’t think it’s a thing for beginners to game like him or, when it comes to day game, me. It’s like getting good at jogging, you won’t just go out and try to run a half marathon. Once he’s comfortable with kiss closing day game girls, he should try to bed them, I think.

        Onmyway, I feel the same about approaching. Anxious at first, but after I talk to a few girls, it’s easy. Regarding your question, you should kino escalate a bit and develop some rapport if you want her not to flake on the date. Otherwise, getting numbers is easy. If she likes you a bit(she should after ten minutes or you’re wasting your time), she’ll give you her number if you say you have to go and you wouldn’t want her to miss out on getting to know you better. The thing is, numbers are worthless if they flake on meeting, so you should do some kino and rapport first.

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  67. on July 4, 2015 at 7:27 am Culum Struan

    YaReally and gang – I’ve had a couple of interesting online experiences lately.

    Just as in real life where 6-7s will preemptively disqualify a high-value guy.

    Online the 6-7s have their value inflated so it’s rarer, but it still happens. Usually that just means they won’t reply. But it’s interesting to see it happen in the messages when you recognise what’s happening. Seems to hit at crucial escalation points, but I’m not sure why (possibly because they are just enjoying the attention/validation till then but when I escalate without sufficiently qualifying them, it triggers preemptive DQ because they perceive me as higher value)

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 7:29 am Culum Struan

      1. 39 yr old fat 5.5. On OKC (so an 8 on OKC lol), not a sugar site. Was doing a practice email blast. Her profile was about how she’s in a long distance relationship but looking for NSA fun. Great response to my provocative opener..very flirty and sexual and she was qualifying to me (“I can’t keep up with your word play – need to up my game”). Did my usual quick push for meet up/number.

      Knew it was a red flag when she didn’t give number or agree meet immediately, but she was still v flirty and replying quickly (usually they stop replying at this point). I kept pushing her for practice and pumped state in between saying “Number”. She either ignored it or made the silliest deflections (like commenting on my area code in my number). But kept chatting. On the 3rd or 4th time I sent “Number” to her, she replied saying “I don’t give my number that easily”.

      I replied saying “I don’t do endless emails..pity, you sounded fun”. Instant reply saying “I wouldn’t date you anyway..you’re not my type” (yeah right – it’s not even a sugar site where she’d be talking to me for money).

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:15 am Sentient

        You should try this when she says I don’t give so easily

        Number

        Whatever she says non number animated chicken gif

        Whaatever she says non number
        number

        Then silence. Seemed to me she was about to crack and you aborted early.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 12:29 pm Culum Struan

        Haha. That chicken thing is great – I’m going to try it (if I can figure out how to send it on an OKC message).

        Good point about her possibly cracking – that hadn’t occurred to me. I was holding back from real hardcore sexual talk (although I could tell she was receptive) because I wanted to do it over text but I guess I could have turned her on first and then pushed..hmm.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 7:31 am Culum Struan

      2. 24 year old HB7 on a sugar site. Profile was sexual (topless pic – rare). She responded immediately to my provocative opener asking what it meant..then I asked for private pic access (standard – then I’ll comment on them and box her) and she’s like “I’m not just after sex you know” out of the blue. I reply with “Lol – you’ll have to work harder than that to get me into bed..I need to get to know you first..I’m [name]”

      She replies with “I don’t want sex anyway”. I ignore that and go “Oi..private pictures – I want to see what you’re hiding”. And she replies with “You’re not my type anyway”.

      This is less obvious because there was never any positive message from her – but she knew as soon as she saw my profile (before first reply) that I don’t pay cash. So I can only assume it’s the same dynamic – she had some attraction, was curious about my message and then when I escalated for her private pics, she preemptively DQ’d. But also possible she only replied cos of curiosity about my opener (no attraction).

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 8:18 am Sentient

        C’mon culum… You can meet real girls. Those pay sites are a waste to me. To each his own.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 12:39 pm Culum Struan

        Sentient – point taken, but I don’t think sugar sites are a waste. There’s just a different set of trade offs. I DO think I need to deprioritize online game for a while – my cold approach skills have atrophied and I am going to spend some time this summer on them.

        But if you do online at all (and you can pull off the “image” of a typical sugar daddy even if you don’t pay), then they are great because:

        -Hot, young girls. Lots of them – far higher quality than any other site. Fuglies don’t go on there.

        -Young girls there are by definition are into older guys – very self-selecting.

        -The ratio of girls to guys is massively skewed in favour of guys and the guys are high value by default and the girls are automatically qualifying to you. Also much easier to get replies for fewer messages etc – less effort, less time.

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm Culum Struan

        Sentient – point taken, but I don’t think sugar sites are a waste. Just a different set of trade offs. I DO think I need to deprioritize online game for a while – my cold approach skills have atrophied and I am going to spend some time this summer on them.

        But if you do online at all (and you can pull off the “image” of a typical sugar daddy even if you don’t pay), then they are great because:

        -Hot, young girls. Lots of them – far higher quality than any other site. Fuglies don’t go on there.

        -Young girls there are by definition are into older guys – very self-selecting

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 12:47 pm Culum Struan

        The downside of course is that the majority of the girls are gold diggers and have to be screened out. It’s not that hard – usually it’s obvious from the profile, and if not in the first couple of messages. Sometimes you can even shock them out of gold digger mode by saying you’re not looking for a hooker etc. There are plenty of girls there who just like successful older men and want to experience something beyond their mundane lives or want a mentor. I just focus on those.

        Very rarely the odd one slips through my screen (or I choose to ignore the gold digging tendency because I am free that evening or whatever like the 9 I posted about a few weeks ago).

        One thing I don’t do is lead the girls on with hints of paying them and get them to put out as a “sample”. Very easy, and it’s what a lot of guys on the Roosh forum do, but not my style. I find it much easier to just say up front I don’t pay

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      • on July 4, 2015 at 12:48 pm Culum Struan

        Err..first part of my reply in mod, about the advantages of such sites

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  68. on July 4, 2015 at 12:40 pm Ronin

    Don’t Mancriminate campaign http://www.neatorama.com/2015/07/03/Online-Magazine-Drumming-Up-the-Controversy-with-their-Dont-Mancriminate-Campaign/

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  69. on July 4, 2015 at 6:02 pm Putin

    This Independence Day lets take time to consider the sacrifice the founders of this country made when they decided to break from an overreaching and tyrannical government.
    https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=rainbow+white+house&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lGuYVZnULsm0ogTrr4noCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=486&dpr=1.5#imgrc=PLS013luWn6qcM%3A

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  70. on July 4, 2015 at 7:37 pm Big MAX

    I used to run a mortgage portfolio that covered 20 – 25% of mortgages in Australia: Relevant Stats:

    1) Single men payers often had $500 – 1500 in surplus (i.e. savings) each month.

    2) Married or de-facto relationships generally had $0 – $50 surplus each month.

    3) in Less than 5% of the total book were the repayments made by women alone.

    ergo

    1) If you want to live comfortably stay single

    2) Commitment to housing a woman is equivalent to being $300k further in debt I.e. you could use that 300k for the business of your dreams (e.g. I would run a waterski shop/school instead of working for the man).

    3) Women cannot house themselves. They rely on relationships with men for housing….let that sink in……you are going to see a marked uptick in homeless western women begging on the streets over the next 10 – 20 years.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:26 pm Experienced Father

      >>Women cannot house themselves. They rely on relationships
      >>with men for housing….let that sink in……you are going to
      >>see a marked uptick in homeless western women begging
      >>on the streets over the next 10 – 20 years.

      Sounds right.

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  71. on July 4, 2015 at 9:22 pm PA

    If she calls you creepy and you happen to be a good singer, you can go into a falsetto and belt out “she’s running out again… she’s running out, she run, run, ruuuuuu-uuuunnn…”

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  72. on July 4, 2015 at 10:17 pm PA

    The Highwaymen had that effective combination of personalities that made the group be larger than the sum of its parts. It has to be exactly four to work. I have three friends (one ex-friend), with that same dynamic.

    Kris Kristofferson was the lighthearted worldly charmer. Johnny Cash had the weight of the world on him and he feared God. Waylon Jennings was the dark brooder. Willy Nelson reminded the group to take it lightly.

    In my above-referenced group, I played, going back to junior high school in ’84 with those guys, Cash’s role. And I still do when we get together, except that Waylon and I haven’t spoken to each other in three years. For good reasons.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 10:18 pm PA

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sod5TeCCQHA

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 10:33 pm PA

      “From the coal mines of Kentucky to the California sun…”

      Happy independence day.

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 7:52 am Captain Obvious

        The EPA has completely shut down the Kentucky coal mines.

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      • on July 5, 2015 at 7:54 am Captain Obvious

        Also, thanks to Obamacare, AETNA just bought Humana [out of Louisville], and a substantial portion of those jobs are likely to vanish.

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    • on July 4, 2015 at 11:00 pm PA

      More about the dynamic. Kristofferson represents the alpha of the group. He is the one who can talk with the suits at the record company and get things done. Cash is the one who fucking gets it; inspiration flows through him, as does righteousness, unworthy though he may consider himself. Again, it’s the burden. Jennings is a mercurial dark-hearted bitch that a certain type of girl can’t resist mothering but he will do anything for a friend. Nelson is a rebel without whom none of this happens because he’s the one who “doesn’t give a damn,” which really is a front for his profound rejection of the bastards, every last one of them.

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  73. on July 5, 2015 at 1:12 am Gott Mit Uns

    When the healthy scent of “misogyny” filled the cultural air, the average man was surely mentally groomed along more alpha lines. How seriously could that man of the past take a woman’s bitching when then it was common knowledge that females are virtual children? But the whores think not what they do.

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  74. on July 5, 2015 at 3:31 am splooge

    http://movpod.in/h04oim2f43zd

    check it out a boondocks episode that tapped into alpha male and female psych..pua is catching up

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  75. on July 5, 2015 at 9:53 am Asher

    Best results I’ve had are with calling girls a liar in response to the term “creep”. You’re probably not going to get in her pants but other girls love watching someone get torn apart.

    Her: Creep
    You: What does that word even mean (you’ve got to say this completely dead-pan as if you have no idea what she’s talking about and adopt body language that you’d use when confronting a seriously mentally disturbed person)
    Her: Creep means you
    You: That’s completely circular reasoning. Now you’re just babbling
    Her: Everyone knows what creep means
    You: Then it should be very easy to define it; that you cannot define it indicates you are being intellectually dishonest

    At this point I usually get either complete silence or an incoherent tirade.

    You: You are using a word that is complete incoherent gibberish. That is intellectual dishonesty, the worst form of lying. You are a liar.

    I have found that the single most vicious thing you can call someone in public is a liar. Let’s be honest, most people lie. However, we are very good at constructing systems of illusions to protect our lies so they are very rarely blatantly exposed. Learn to trap people into blatantly lying, expose those lies and you have entire rooms eating out of the palm of your hand.

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    • on July 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm PWN

      You’ll grow out of the autistic need to prove others wrong logically. Just ridicule them, especially if you don’t care about them.

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  76. on July 5, 2015 at 10:04 am Asher

    I developed the liar response to terms like sexism, racism, bigot, etc., but it is equally useful against all words that are largely used subjectively. Seriously, the results are amazing

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  77. on July 5, 2015 at 5:40 pm greg

    My dad has the perfect response when my mom goes on these rants: a little “pfff” self amused little chuckle with a sly smirk. He doesn’t even say a word.
    It takes only a second but dismisses it all in one self-amused puff of wind. I figure that little laugh is the reason i exist.

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  78. on July 5, 2015 at 8:26 pm Polymath

    Relevant:

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/210028/?show-at-comment=1528045#comment-1528045

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  79. on July 6, 2015 at 4:49 pm Mitch Cumstein

    CH, what do you make of Dan Bilzerian? While he’s brash as all hell, there’s certainly something to admire about a guy who just does what he wants- travel, blow shit up, and bang an endless stream of hot womyn. I imagine it’s only a matter of time before the BuzzFeed, HuffPo, social justice warrior brigade sets their sights on him.

    Here’s video of him tossing an underage porn star into a pool. She was injured because she resisted and he didn’t apologize. If you watch it, you can tell the only reason she’s filing the lawsuit is so his attention will one day be re-directed her way, if only for a minute.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:37 pm anon33

      what she did to her ears is gross

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  80. on July 6, 2015 at 5:19 pm Not Thought Police

    Ahh “Creep”

    Never attribute to internal failing that which can be explained by a woman’s inherent need to emotionally project.

    Do not pass go. Do not validate. Do not entertain her musings until projection is ruled out first.

    This holds true for many facets of femininity but i think in no other place does it hold more weight than the concept of male creepiness:

    A woman, in vetting a man, will:

    Gossip with friends, look through his private stuff, his books, his music, find out his political leanings to the n’th-degree (from his feminist sensibilities right down to how he feels about trade agreements n shit), how he feels toward his mother, how much he earns, is he carrying a mental illness, can he provide?, does he look and act like Gosling? Can he sing like that dude from Coldplay or at least do something notable so she doesn’t look like she’s just dating Dave, the accountant? Is he strong..but not so strong that he cannot be controlled? Is he intelligent..but not so intelligent that he might win in an argument? Is he confident, but not so much that he might attract the attentions of other girls (not that she’d be jealous or anything because women aren’t creepy like that) Is he articulate but not so much that he might outshine her beaming personality? Is he cool but not so cool that he’d make her look uncool. That’d never do!

    Contrast this to the creepy, rapey Man: What’s her rack like? Is she kinda half normal?

    Tell me who is really the creepy one here?

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