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Are We Living In A Playa’s Paradise?

July 7, 2015 by CH

A player’s paradise — aka a cads and tramps society — would have distinguishing features that wouldn’t be found, or wouldn’t be quite as pronounced, in a beta male-ruled — aka dads and damsels — society.

1. More sexualized women.

Is T&A the order of the day? Do culture-amplifying mediums like advertising and entertainment try to get away with displaying the maximum amount of skin and minimum amount of clothing on their female messengers? Are women (especially women in the limelight) all too eager to comply with the zesty zeitgeist?

In a playa’s paradise, we can expect to find more sexualization of women because women will be more interested in short-term hookups with sexy, charming, dominant men. These men have dating market options, and as any man with options will do he’ll demand more sexual license and physical perfection from his considered conquests. Women will respond to this male-centric romantic preference by advertising themselves as sexual, sexy objects to be devoured in a bonerbath of contraceptively-safeguarded desire.

2. Less sexual dimorphism.

It seems counter-intuitive, but there is cross-racial evidence for the CH hypothesis that cad/tramp societies are less sexually dimorphic than dad/damsel societies. For instance, in the world’s OPP (Original Playa’s Paradise), Africa, the women are more masculine and less feminine than woman from dad/damsel societies. Even within the dad-centered West, a swing toward more cads/tramps is associated with less feminine (where feminine = coy, slender, and estrogenically curvy) women. Female athletes are the best example of this trend… all narrow boyhips, flat chests, and scowling countenances hitched atop glass-cutting manjaws.

Why? Best speculation: There are two processes happening that reinforce each other. One, girls with more masculine features and personalities tend, on average, to be more open to the idea of casual, NSA sex, and probably have, as well, stronger, more insistent, libidos than feminine women. Two, men seeking easy flings probably target, subconsciously, women with “sexually aggressive” phenotypic traits, and that may include women with bodies and desirous leers primed for piston-like pumping.

In a cad/tramp society, men will prefer good-to-go, low investment pussy properties, because there’s less paternity assurance (and less emphasis on paternity assurance by both sexes) and because there’s less expectation that any romantic liaison will lead to a long-term, sexually faithful, commitment. In a dad/damsel society, men are expected to commit before receiving the poon goodies, (and likewise women are expected to avoid riding the cock carousel before receiving that treasured commitment). Therefore, men under these conditions will prefer take-it-slow, high investment pussy properties, which means more feminine, prettier, coy women.

3. More feminism.

Recall the CH maxim regarding feminism:

The goal of feminism is to remove all constraints on female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality.

Feminism can be seen as both a happy allegiance to, and a bitter backlash against, a cad/tramp society. On the former, feminism advocates a social order that opens the short-term, sexual field to women, with the intent of allowing women the shameless pursuit of those few sexy, fly-by-night alpha cads who give them womb-shaking tingles. On the latter, feminism wishes to institute draconian, anti-male, anti-human rules of conduct that serve to straitjacket the romantic prerogatives of unsexy beta males. In this latter instance, the gimping of beta male courtship preferences — that is, the discouragement of beta males taking advantage of their sexual market strengths (shy, deliberate courting with long-term focus) — helps cad-chasing women avoid the awkward solicitations of any men other than those men who are skilled at the art of the approach.

4. Hatred of traditional sex roles.

A cad/tramp society should see more expressed hatred of the traditional sex roles that predominate in a dad/damsel society. This hatred will be found strongest among women who most benefit from the loose sexual and romantic expectations of a cad society: The middling 4s, 5s, and 6s who would rather enjoy five minutes of a higher value man scrubbing out their dirty dick holsters for a few weeks than the enraptured commitment of a lower value man offering financial and emotional commitment that these economically and egotistically self-sufficient women no longer need.

Cads themselves will also shit and piss on traditional sex roles, but they’ll mostly do this through their actions instead of the typical female strategy of verbal tumblrrhea designed to police thought boundaries and enlarge the conformist suck-up circle.

5. Hatred of beta provider males.

Concomitant with the above predicted observation, beta provider males will really take it on the chin. They are the biggest losers in a cad/tramp culture. Romantic failures, and hated for their romantic failure, beta provider males will have to find succor in waiting until their early 30s to marry a road-worn, cock-scarred cougarette on the make for a suburban sap she can latch onto for her obligatory 1.5 IVF-aided snot-nosed brats at the low low cost of once-a-year half-hearted birthday blowjobs.

6. More aggressive sexual signaling.

A cad/tramp society will teem with girls signaling their availability for hot sex from the right man. You would expect to see more tattoos, more body modifications, and more behavioral tics that transparently suggest the girl under consideration is DTF if you enter the correct all-access key code into her id-box.

Interestingly, on this matter, men will divide into two competing camps: The players and wannabes who emphasize their sexy male attributes at the expense of their latent romantic idealism, and the hardened betaboys who will cling ever tighter to their emotional tampon/orbiter game in the belief, usually mistaken, that at least one girl, at one point in their miserably incel lives, will tire of the cads and swoon for the beta’s earnest niceness.

7. Disproportionately higher STD rates among women.

A sexual market with cads and tramps at the top of the hierarchy would be sex-skewed in favor of the cads, for the simple reason that the female hypergamous impulse to mate with higher status men is more powerful and less malleable to compromise than the male impulse to fornicate with the prettiest girls. (In layman’s (heh) terms, men are more willing than are women to slum it once in a while.)

A consequence of female hypergamy is that once it is unleashed from cultural constraints, women will gravitate to a de facto polygyny, sharing the top 10-20% of men during their prime fertility years (15-25). What you’d find then, is a few cads spreading their venereal love to the larger number of women who lay with them. And that is what the data point to:

Overall prevalence of chlamydial infection was 4.19% (95% confidence interval [CI], 3.48%-4.90%). Women (4.74%; 95% CI, 3.93%-5.71%) were more likely to be infected than men (3.67%; 95% CI, 2.93%-4.58%; prevalence ratio, 1.29; 95% CI, 1.03-1.63). The prevalence of chlamydial infection was highest among black women (13.95%; 95% CI, 11.25%-17.18%) and black men (11.12%; 95% CI, 8.51%-14.42%); lowest prevalences were among Asian men (1.14%; 95% CI, 0.40%-3.21%), white men (1.38%; 95% CI, 0.93%-2.03%), and white women (2.52%; 95% CI, 1.90%-3.34%).

8. More women acting out like men.

Female teachers banging their underage and overhorny charges will be rampant in cad/tramp environments. So will women cursing like sailors, women posturing like drunken frat boys, women pretending to enjoy their slutty lifestyles, and women refusing the chivalric interventions of well-meaning old skool men.

Why bother cultivating the feminine traits when their usefulness has expired?

9. More men acting out like women.

This one is the mortal shiv in the heart of Western dad/damsel culture. What do you get when you (de)couple sexually focused, short-term thinking, masculine women with weepy, romance-starved, long-term focused male feminists?

Spite. Bitterness. Resentment. Contempt. Decivilization.

The difference between manlets and manjaws is part motivation, part exogenous insult. Manjaws (unfeminine women) would suffer in a dad/damsel society where men were more discerning about which women they’d choose for commitment, but in a cad/tramp society vulgar, leg-spreading manjaws don’t take too big of a hit to their ability to find horndogs on the one-night-only prowl.

Manlets, in contrast, suffer a big hit whether they operate within a cad/tramp or a dad/damsel context. However, one could argue the hit they take is smaller in the dad/damsel milieu. So what motivates manlets in a cad/tramp society to stick to their feeble, flaccid guns? Perhaps their bitterness as SMV rejects creates a negative feedback loop exaggerating their impetus to unmanly posturing. Sort of like how a bullied kid will retreat deeper into solitude and fantasies of self-actualization.

But the reason may be more concrete than that psychological trawling. Post-America Manlettery (PAM!) could be the consequence of an all-out, all-points environmental estrogenic assault by the chemicals and Hivemind propaganda we all profoundly breathe and ingest on the daily.

Bottom line: Masculine women and feminine men are 100% bad box office. A 7-2 offsuit hand. A cosmic affront. A middle finger to the god of biomechanics. It won’t end well.

So, you tell the CH audience… are we living in a playa’s paradise?

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  1. on July 7, 2015 at 12:58 pm The Happy Truth

    I agree.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:15 pm quorasdesignatedasshole

      It’s paradise that might be unsustainable.

      You’d have to fuck someone else’s girl or pay a whore back in the day to get some strange… and men would still feel the same strong urge to fuck new girls back then too…

      Now it’s all free. Pick up the mystery method, join the gym, dress well, and bring random sluts home to fuck and discard. The less you invest in them while getting everything out of them (INTO them?) the harder they chase you. The harder they chase you, the easier you find it attracting and seducing the next slut.

      With enough experience, you could take a low N count (or virgin) girl and train her just like you’d train a dog… to be a long term companion should you want. While fucking around every once in a while. You don’t even have to marry her … even if you want kids.

      What’s not to like?

      The dimorphism is still there, though. I have seen enough (HOT) girls who keep themselves loyal to a man to know that the world is not 100% filled with sluts.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 1:33 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        It’s easier than ever for men to get laid and enjoy female company today. That is, if they care enough to improve themselves, as you mention. There’s no excuse. This isn’t rocket science.

        It takes a certain kind of man to adapt to changed circumstances and take advantage of the situation. The real losers are the traditional, romantic folks. I’m not saying this is a good thing.

        Poolside.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:31 pm bangbangbang

        As someone who did what you describe in p4…not worth it. I got bored.

        Just cycle them.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:01 pm The Spirit Within

        @bangbangbang

        Me too. My college girlfriend was hot but inexperienced, and she bonded like a barnacle to me instantly. I got her trained, but it bored the shit out of me. I left her and the city.

        She married the next guy, popped out two kids, and now hates him.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:39 pm having a bad day

        “It’s paradise that might be unsustainable.”

        might be?…lol…of course it’s not…all you can do is live your best, most fulfilling life possible (whatever that means to you)…using red pill/game to make that happen…

        good luck!

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm Putin

        Spirit, how do you know your ex hates her husband? Is he beta? Did you feel guilty for using her like that after she cleaved?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:21 pm The Spirit Within

        @Putin

        I’ve met her hubby, he’s beta as hell. Nice guy though. Mutual friends tell me that she treats him poorly. I seem to have created an alpha widow by accident. I was 21 and didn’t know anything about that. She was sweet as a kitten with me and did everything I asked.

        I didn’t use her. I loved her but just got bored with being in command. She wasn’t pulling any weight in the relationship.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:25 pm quorasdesignatedasshole

      It’s like free market.

      20% men have 80% of the sex with the girls.
      4% men get 64%.
      Less than 1% of men have more than half of all the sex that people are having.

      You remove constraints and upper/lower limits, and free market always arranges itself in this fashion.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:11 pm The Spirit Within

        Well said.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm yuck

        “It’s like free market.”

        there are no free markets. rules and regulations always benefit those making them.

        in this case, who benefits?

        if the people making the policies that allow this sexual market to fuction as it is are aging billionaires with little to no sex drive, whose primary addiction is and always was power, then how are they benefiting?

        if they don’t care about banging slutty 4,5 and 6s then why do they support the feminist nanny state?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:47 pm Sean Fielding

        @yuck:

        The Sorosian billionaires play the scorpion to us frogs. They benefit in short-term ways, probably lose in other longer-term ways, but that’s not really the point. They can’t help themselves from plunging the stinger in us – it’s their nature. Just as our nature is to periodically swing them from posts.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:50 pm doclove

        There is no true free Sexual Market Place. There’s a free market for women which is getting more and more free for them all the time. However, there is a controlled market for men which is getting more and more controlled all the time. One of the ways to truly free the Sexual Market Place is to end Prostitution Prohibition and legalize prostitution. Another way is to hold women accountable for their actions when they falsely accuse men of sexual assault or rape. Still another way is to say to women that when you give birth to children, you can not charge the state with welfare nor the unmarried man you claim to be your bastard child’s any child support monies. Yet another way would be to make spouses choose to go the no fault or fault route in divorce. If you go no fault, prepare to lose the home and children and pay child support if you are a man or woman. If you go fault then you need to prove fault to get the home. children and collect child support and/or alimony. Even going the fault route, there should be a government organization and better developed men’s organizations or lobbies ensuring men aren’t getting screwed over unjustly in the family courts. Most sexual harassment would go away too. This is not an all inclusive list, and feel free to add. We all know that is not going to happen any time soon.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 8:21 pm Vagina dominator

        In what way is it a fucking free market?

        All of this shit is SUBSIDIZED!!!!

        Sometimes it is hard to fathom the stupidity.

        Please, next time before you offer an opinion, do us all a favor and be a man and run a few mental tests on it.

        Don’t just talk straight out of your vagina.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 8:33 pm quorasdesignatedasshole

        @Vagina Dominator

        You just went full on crazy. Never go full on crazy.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:53 am Glengarry

        It’s not a free market, it’s a free dick buffet for women. Dumbass old beta willingly pays the bill, of course.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 6:26 am EricN

        Yea, you put it best. In more traditional cultures its more equal and less insanity

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:07 pm Joe

      It’s incipient, in that it’s good for players, but it’s going to get a lot worse – or better for them if you prefer. The Supreme Court – Anthony Kennedy – defined the right to marry in a way that there can be no principled objections as to the numbers, genders, or species involved. Thanks to the Rump Rangers, we’re about to get legalized polygamy, and in all likelihood, plural marriage. Then the shit’s gonna go down, between the Indian, Muslim, Mormon and plain old polygamists triggering a “surplus male problem,” and the nutty kids raised in spectacularly unstable home environments. You think boys raised without fathers are disproportionately violent and psychopathic? Just wait until you see a generation raised by a rotating cast of multiple dads and moms (with the child abuse that a rotating home staffing plan is likely to bring with it).

      One doesn’t have to follow traditional judeo christian beliefs to see that there is a reckoning coming and it’s gonna be ugly.

      But good times for players, sure, the same way the hood is good for a player right now.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:06 am Glengarry

        Marriage is dead. There’s just gay marriage now.

        I expect there will be a lot of bitter score settling by their kids, judging by how hated the ‘free love’ fuck pile parents of the 70s were. Probably the same for kids raised by fag/lez. I’m looking forward to the endless lawsuits once the consequences of homo adoption become obvious. “It wasn’t our fault! How could we have knooown?” But no matter, let these people die as they lived: hated and despised by all.

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 8:16 am uh

        I’m about 2/5ths down this thread and I already want to slit my wrists.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 9:16 am Suburban_elk

      Malleable personalities are not much to begin with.

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  2. on July 7, 2015 at 1:07 pm Putin

    If you can get away with it great, but the neocon politically correct U.S. culture is very down on that type of behavior. Especially the Pentagon.

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  3. on July 7, 2015 at 1:12 pm Putin

    Don’t watch TV except for Bachelorette. Epic learning situations continue on that show. Beta declares his love she says she feels flattered but all of a sudden loses interest.

    The real Alpha left the show already and he was the real deal.

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  4. on July 7, 2015 at 1:17 pm martin

    this is terrifying. there is no doubt it is accurate. a fellow I had the unfortunate opportunity of meeting, who normally I would never associate with, at work was gloating about some threesomes he has had with his wife and various women. He is about as ignorant and see-through as it gets, and his job? a dog groomer. But women like him because he convinced himself that he is about as attractive as gosling and he has actually lectured people about this before, rating himself a 9 in looks and a 10 including his sense of fashion. Whereas other people who say, are doctors, or come from old families, or otherwise? women don’t care at all about them, they completely ignore anyone with long term mating strategies, I have seen it too many times to disbelieve it. We’re fucked, and the gays are going to make it worse.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 10:09 pm Rick250

      On the one hand the dude sounds like hes made a nice little niche for himself..women love their dogs of course and hes like the gay hairstylist preening over their furry loved ones only hes available to fuck and handsome.
      But female hypergamy is still alive and well. He may get alot of prole fucks but many hotties will hold out for someone higher status.
      Women from good families know it costs lots of money to raise kids right as they were. Consider the typical girl: piano lessons; singing; dance; gymnastics; ballet. This is expensive.
      This is a fact that prole single moms know and it must be like a twisting shiv into the lil hearts. The govt wont pay for that.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm Rick250

        One current entrenched playas paradise for sure must be the black community. To be a high status black athlete = extreme winning.
        You can bet the women in this video all have had to share alphas…polygyny and hypergamy..these women represent the best of the BW too but theyre stubborn and refuse even slightly settle…probably going to end up of single moms – their aging wombs seeded by noncommital alphas.
        Black community is the canary in the coalmine. Look how their proles act.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 8:04 am martin

        It depends what you mean by status. My thinking is that at one point, a good man with a career and some money was plenty status. But this is no longer the case, even the girls you would expect more of don’t care. They have their own wealth and with instagram, the need for validation is taken care of too, it’s over.

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  5. on July 7, 2015 at 1:19 pm PA

    My recent work travel to Miami was illustrative of this. Walked around South Beach (not my first time there) and I was struck by the gulf, in my perception, between the town’s reputation for sexiness and it’s actual, utter unsexiness. South Beach is r-selection paradise that’s supported by K-selection infrastructure.

    Males and females were garishly hypersexed, but the women weren’t doing anything for me. Scanty clothes over bulging, exaggerated asses and tits and bellies, many ranging from all shades of mystery meat to Haiti-purple. Tats galore. My eye thirstily scanned for anything I’d want, finding it among the occasional tourist families.

    Tons of black and sorta black males, aggressive but not intimidating. To be frank, with many I couldn’t tell if they were gay or not.

    Coral Gables was much nicer. It’s very Latin but the girls who work in restaurants or bars are charming and pretty.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:22 pm mendozatorres

      As I read, the image I had in mind was a Goodbye, America photo of the male species checking out the female species.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:23 pm quorasdesignatedasshole

      This is true.

      I have always found the real hotties in tiny peaceful little towns, not the big cities. Even the “hotties” in NYC are manjawed and ugly. Bangable, sure. But ugly. Like pornstars.

      The real hotties who I’d want to kiss and ravish are always in the tiny little towns. Recently went upstate and on the way stopped at a diner. The waitress was a mega babe. You’re surrounded by niggers, mexicans and other less than pleasant people here in the big cities, and the hottest girls here are always visiting.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:02 pm 88

        small town girls. hotter, more feminine, and better personalities.

        not all small town girls of course. there are always the ones who are city girls at heart and try to leave their hometown for the big city as soon as they get the chance. those are the girls who like to travel, who always want some kind of adventure, something bigger and better. they always think the grass is greener on the other side and are never satisfied with the simple life.

        but the girls who truly do enjoy the simple life, have old fashioned values, and choose to stay out of the big city, they are the keepers.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 4:05 pm Putin

        Sometimes. Location, location, location.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 6:00 pm Hackett To Bits

        “small town girls. hotter, more feminine, and better personalities…not all small town girls of course. there are always the ones who are city girls at heart and try to leave their hometown for the big city as soon as they get the chance”

        Have to second this observation.

        Just got back from three days of rock climbing in West Virginia with the gf. Talk about Red State America! Old Glory and the Stars and Bars fly there with equal pride. The local women are all very large. Bad dietary habits – biscuits, gravy and ham every morning! – all around. Many of them married, pregnant with #2 or #3 and overweight at an early age. The ones too young to be married yet had already lost any grip they had on youthful slenderness and were rapidly headed for porkiness. But every girl was as sweet as could be, no irony or bitterness from anyone.

        There was not one slender native to be seen the entire time…very likely, they had all long since taken their higher SMVs with them to some city to get the most in return for their assets.

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 8:20 am uh

        Yea, WV is the fattest state in the nation.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:13 pm Sentient

      When did you go PA? South Beach is best in winter – December through March. That’s when the models flock there.

      RSD is even focusing a Bootcamp just for “Model Season”…

      http://modelseasonbootcamp.com/

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:27 pm Matt

      CH is describing the end-world, blue-state, urban-degenerate milieu. This is a leftist’s wet dream more than a “cad’s.” One of CH’s persistent flaws is asserting without evidence that metrosexuality somehow impinges on manliness. Why else would he pedestalize Africa, the constipated colon of the planet?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm Matt

        Using the word “playa” itself is nîggerific.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 6:49 pm Philomathean

      Yes, South Beach is a shithole.

      The Gables and some areas in Coconut Grove are much nicer.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 8:39 am Jack Rackam

      I’m from Miami. I was there in May. Miami has been DESTROYED by the Turd World Invasion. It used to be the highest per capita amount of hot babes in the US.

      No more. I will never go back. Gables was not as bad except for the way no one speaks English.

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  7. on July 7, 2015 at 1:21 pm mendozatorres

    Every thought I had concerning this matter comes back to alpha fux, beta bux.

    It’s just a matter of quantity at this point.

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  8. on July 7, 2015 at 1:26 pm pithom

    Clearly, it began in the 1960s, but I still think we’re in the early stages (entrenchment will be obvious to everyone in three decades or less).

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  9. on July 7, 2015 at 1:33 pm becausenonsc

    I wonder how sustainable it is, even if we ignore the loss of incentive to work on the mass of lower status men, and how crushing this is for civilization (when the low status men stop working the feminist defenders of the cad/tramp model will find themselves living in a place they will hate to be in).

    The current dynamic depends on an old generation that grew up with more accommodating women and taught their children to behave in a deferential manner which is now simply abused.

    I wonder if this will change at some point. The mass of lower status men of course will as you say retreat to their thinly veiled fantasies of intra-sex competition (rescuing women from bad men), but one can imagine that the old cultural norms will eventually disappear.

    There is a lot of inertia. It will be interesting to see what happens when the full consequences of the current mess appear. By then it may be too late. Stick a fork in it! lol

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  11. on July 7, 2015 at 1:39 pm elmer

    From the women giving men advice department :

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2015/07/dear_prudence_my_wife_s_college_sexual_encounters_are_haunting_me.html

    Q : Wife’s Behavior: My wife and I have been married for 20 years and had a relationship for several years prior to marriage. She is smart, beautiful, and a good person. Our marriage is strong. However, during a recent conversation about our respective college years (we did not meet until she was 25 and working on her MBA), she suddenly volunteered that she had performed oral sex on two different guys at school. She said that were both handsome and real catches like it was a badge of honor for her to do that. I knew about two other past loves but this has thrown me for a loop. Why would she volunteer this information? I am having a difficult time not focusing on this and it makes me see her in a less than wonderful way. Am I way off base and just having trouble seeing a real woman with a past?

    A: So there you were reminiscing, and out of your wife’s mouth came this revelation about what she’d put in her mouth more than two decades ago. Now this news about an extremely limited “wild” period has you brooding about the character of someone you have loved for more than 20 years. You probably know that people like to have sex, and young people, before they settle down, are particularly noted for their sexual explorations. But you can’t wrap your mind around the information that a young woman would have a sexual encounter out of feelings of conquest. This shows a serious lack of imagination on your part. So while you do need to broaden your understanding of female sexuality, it would be foolish indeed to change your feelings about your wife. I think that what you should do is tell your wife that you have become so intrigued by her announcement that you would like to engage in some time travel and re-enact her youthful adventures.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm 10x10

      Jesus, that was painful to read. The wife basically spit in her husbands face by boasting of slutting it up with two alphas in college and he is supposed to just take it and “broaden his understanding of female sexuality.” I could spit.

      He should set boundaries right there by punishing her psychologically. That guy needs the CH not the man-hating Leftists at Slate. I really despise modern liberalism.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 8:55 pm elmer

        I’ll bet they were Black Gentlemen. How’s he gonna re-enact that without putting on blackface? That would be racist.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 11:50 pm Moses

      “… it would be foolish indeed to change your feelings about your wife.”

      Fail. Right there.

      Feelings are not choices. Just ask the tingle.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 7:17 am elmer

        Our man will fixate on her admission till the inevitable divorce. He might as well save himself all the wretched angst and get it over with now while he has some years left to chase young tail.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 2:15 am Glengarry

      Go team woman! Meticulously fake if you care about that sort of thing, but it pushes the Narrative.

      The way a man time travels back to college, by the way, is by picking up actual college girls. It might be a more satisfying reenactment too, compared to face fucking some “smart, beautiful” old gargoyle.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:45 pm Captain Obvious

        > “picking up actual college girls” —– You can do this at the Community Colleges and the Lesser State Schools – but you CANNOT do this at the Elitist Oligopolies [unless mucho alcohol/methamphetamines were involved and you didn’t have any competition for their snatches]. You don’t know the psycho-social symbolisms and signaling within the Gramscian Cocoon of Anti-Reality and the Neo-Aristocratic State within a State. Trust me, you’ll get NOWHERE trying to talk to them. At least not when they’re sober. Everything you try to say to them will come off as CREEPY.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 6:41 pm Captain Obvious

        And you CANNOT do this with the Grad Students or Professorettes at ANY school – they are COMPLETELY INSUFFERABLE [unless maybe you can get them liquored up, and Dreadlock Mystery Meat Ganja Dude isn’t there to beat you to the punch]. If they’re sober, and it’s Day Game, then you don’t even know the correct way to say “Hello!” within the Gramscian Cocoon of Anti-Reality.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 6:45 pm Captain Obvious

        And my guess is that this is true everywhere in the Neo-Aristocratic State within a State – at the NGOs and the Fortune 100 corporations and the top law firms – if they’re sober, I doubt they’ll even acknowledge your existence [unless you’re sending the correct psycho-social signaling, which is going to be like nothing your upbringing has prepared you for].

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 7:02 pm Captain Obvious

        It’s the Neo-Aristocratic duality of what YaReally is seeing at the bottom of society [with the strippers and party girls and coke heads] – and YaReally has had to respond to it by “layering” shiv upon shiv upon shiv, because the elegant and clever and subtle Openers and Negs and Laugh-Lines don’t work anymore. And unless you know the psycho-social symbolisms signaling within the Gramscian Cocoon of Anti-Reality, you’re only hope is to open with “You’re Fat” and move to “I read your PhD thesis and it was complete horsesh!t” and finish with “OMG, you dropped out of the triathlon because it was too hot? What are you, a prole? LOL’ed.”

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 8:39 pm Captain Obvious

        I also suspect [but can’t quite prove it yet] that I’m seeing an EXPLOSION in Lipstick Lesbian shiznat within the Neo-Aristocracy and the State within a State – the kind of stuff that Showtime did with “The L Word”. And you’re just wasting your breath talking to them.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 2:58 am Glengarry

      I then read the rest of the questions. The smell of fakery remains. Predictable and terrible advice, over and over; the cherry on the top is that the smirking Yoffe calls herself “Prudence”.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 3:01 am Glengarry

        It’s like asking for relationship advice from a degenerate like Dan Savage. The solution to marital trouble is not always an anonymous bath house dick marathon.

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  12. on July 7, 2015 at 1:40 pm Sam

    Democracy is a pandora’s box.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 11:54 pm Moses

      I’ve concluded that universal suffrage is a terrible idea. Democrazy is fine as long as you have educated, responsible citizens voting. “Obama-phone” voters are not like that in the same way the sea is not above the clouds.

      Just look at voting patterns by race. Large majority of whites went for Romney in ’12. Overwhelming majority of minorities vote Dem.

      You can see where this is going. Rule by minorities and institutionalized oppression of whites. It’s inevitable.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:38 am James Blonde

        voting = whiteman tricknology

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 8:30 am Anonymous

        Hey, thwack, so your attorney finally bailed you out?

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 5:26 am Greg Eliot

      Democracy is a pandora’s box.

      But without Hope left inside.

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  13. on July 7, 2015 at 1:53 pm elmer

    I am accepting the reality of the situation and turning it on its head to satisfy my needs. Am currently working on a blockbuster ebook to be published shortly. The pages fly out of my Alphasmart Neo, so much so that I have time to effortlessly pen an erotic novel for my wife. My intent was to tittilate her towards increased sex frolics but she has merely been focusing on new English words for her to study, such as “brobdingnag”. When the story picks up I am sure she will get randy.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 1:57 pm elmer

      It’s about an exotic Vietnamese women who takes a substitute teaching job at Springdale High School, and finds herself in charge of a class of rowdy blonde-haired boys after their previous teacher left amidst a cloud of scandalous rumors. Principal Reardon assures her that she will be able to handle her new charges and to come to him for help should things get out of hand.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:29 am Greg Eliot

        Principal Reardon? Hank on this, you fairy!

        Just so long as the slope isn’t named Dagny.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 10:25 pm Lucius Somesuch

      lolzlzlz Well, even this brief scenario has a certain bankability. A two-page outline on kindle would be worth parting with a buck-ninety-nine over. Keep writing!

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 7:20 am elmer

        I should post a graphic of her viet scribblings in attempting to understand the new English words. She really is getting a lot of English practice out of it. Takes about 5 minutes to crank out a page. Chick porn writes itself.

        In contrast I notice all the VOA and college English lessons she works though are dripping with leftist propaganda.

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  14. on July 7, 2015 at 2:02 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    2. Less sexual dimorphism.

    More like a general skew towards the masculine, among both sexes. Men and women getting more manly.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:05 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      As far as the future goes though, we may see a trend towards feminization among both sexes. Religious beta males and demure women are the ones actually having kids, at least among the middle and upper classes.

      Among the lower classes, you do see a turn towards Africanization.

      [CH: a lot of the SWPL gfs and wives i see around me are very masculine in dress and attitude, and not a few of them look mannish with their lawyerly jaws and strident oafish gaits.]

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  15. on July 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm newlyaloof

    We’re living in a playa’s pigpen with heffers acting like men (#8). Check this out:
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/06/shock-surveillance-footage-shows-college-football-star-brutally-punch-woman-in-the-face/

    1. She’s only 18 and shouldn’t even be there drinking high-calorie drinks to add to her heft.
    2. She talks shite to the dude.
    3. She hip checks the dude.
    4. She turns around and talks shit and clinches her fist.
    5. She hits him first.
    6. Beta male follows after the dude.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:36 pm Matt

      Where white culture and the underclass inevitably converge in game, game becomes a chief apologist for nîggerworld.

      It has to be this way. The PUA is “not even shallow.” His entire operating philosophy is based on feels. Tribal drumbeats that tingle the underside of his scrotum.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:49 pm Bel Riose

        And you’ve admitted you’ve never had sex.

        Be quiet, please.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:33 am Greg Eliot

        Bel RIose/Stillicho, just because you’ve had sex… with men… doesn’t mean you can come to the chateau and talk trash to men.

        You fairy.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 9:52 am Bel Riose

        Greg — does Matt pay you a yearly retainer to be his lapdog and lick his ass, or are you paid on a per-post basis?

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 10:20 am Greg Eliot

        Keep your homosexual projections to yourself, boy…

        I know it’s hard to understand when a bro has another bro’s back… since you never had a friend who would do the same for you.

        Hell, once you took that bacon out of your pocket, not even your dog would hang around you.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 10:31 am sharp

        Good grief. This spergy anklebiter has been nipping at Matt’s heels for the better part of the last 5+ years. Day after day, week after week, even when Matt hasn’t been seen in months. Presumably over some barb Matt must have launched his way years ago. A barb that remains firmly lodged up his ass to this day.

        Even by internet troll standards, I’ve never seen anything quite like it. This chump is the very embodiment of omega butthurt.

        Seriously, get over it you fucking pussy.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 5:03 pm Danindc

      D’Andre I’m sure was nothing but a gentleman. If what you take from that footage is that the girl deserves what she got….you’re a faggot.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 4:20 pm Canadian Friend

        Had a man done what she did and had been punched would you say he deserved it?

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 5:40 am Greg Eliot

      Shocking? All I saw was a n1gger hitting a white girl.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:49 am newlyaloof

        @Greg, of course the dude was thuggin’ it and deserves no praise. That should be obvious. I’m just drawing attention to how unladylike a ton of girls are these days. Act like a dude, and men (especially thugs) may treat you like one.

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  16. on July 7, 2015 at 2:07 pm juro

    “Masculine women and feminine men are 100% bad box office.”

    Accounting firms are full of this.

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  17. on July 7, 2015 at 2:12 pm Snap Understeer

    Question For The Experts: Re STDs, ONS, High Velocity of Pussy.

    Other than the trusty ole rubber,

    What other ways can the guys who are getting into higher-frequency of hookups, thus higher probability of diseases and low impulse control girls, do to lower the risk of STDs?

    Does some type of more sophisticated mate-selection happen, or other high-level super secret 2500 dollar RSD filtering techniques, etc?

    Thanks.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:41 pm bangbangbang

      Don’t lick pussy, check under the hood (with light) to make sure she doesn’t have an active herpaderp outbreak. Wrap it, and if you’re going to fuck her more than once, send her nasty ass to the clinic to get tested as early as you can. HPV has trouble getting set up on scrotums. Herpes can transmit without an active outbreak, but it isn’t common, if you hit it one-and-done odds are good that you’re fine, just don’t go back for seconds.

      Girls will refuse to take “screening” tests before you bang, so wrap it up, and after you’ve fucked her, and have her in that place where she’ll do anything to hang onto you, establish in her mind that the only road to get more emotional investment out of you is to provide proof that satisfies you of a negative test result; as women will never believe that they’re “dirty”, only the hardest of the hardcore sluts will actually handwave/fail to provide it. If they’ve never had a STI before, it will prompt a mild emotional crisis, so if you’re around when she first gets her test back, you can see her start to lie.

      If you avoid fag hags, drug users, low quality women, and women from places where diseases are endemic (40% herpes rate in Latin America, yeesh), you should be a-ok.

      Good luck, and remember, get a urologist if you’re fucking raw, because clinics/doctors only test for the common bacterial STIs, there are some rare ones that can fuck your shit right up (mycoplasma, ureaplasma, etc) which are not uncommon, but asymptomatic in most.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm yuck

        “Don’t lick pussy, check under the hood (with light) to make sure she doesn’t have an active herpaderp outbreak. Wrap it, and if you’re going to fuck her more than once, send her nasty ass to the clinic to get tested as early as you can.”

        this is no man’s idea of paradise.

        “the terrible thing about hell, is that when you’re there, you can’t even tell”

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:47 pm bangbangbang

        “this is no man’s idea of paradise.” Or you could just lie to yourself, pretend it isn’t a problem, only fuck “the nice girls” raw, and don’t get tested unless you experience symptoms.

        Paradise…and if some girl calls you to tell you that she got HIV from you, just call her a liar.

        I swear there has to be some demographic of people who act like this by default somewhere, but I can’t imagine who that might be; nobody would dare criticize a culture like that, obviously.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 11:36 pm Snap Understeer

        What if you filter out girls for things on that slut list like tats, piercings, high-risk minorities, coke-eyes…

        Couldn’t you still just end up with a different type slut anyway, and her favela of sexually-transmitted taint-chunder?

        One of the manosphere commandments says that almost all women these days are sluts, is that right or is that just the cynics?

        Thank you for all the great replies!

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:59 pm elmer

      No mucus-to-mucus contact, though even a condom won’t protect you from getting HPV on your balls. Maybe 70% of the sexually active population has some form of HPV. For herpes in some demographics the rate is 30-50%. You cannot tell from looking at a woman’s vagina if she has herpes and testing is the only way to know if she has been exposed. It’s no big deal though. The ulcerating dick sores start to subside after about 5-7 years to maybe once every 6 weeks. It’s the nerve inflammations in your ass and legs that feel like someone is ripping them out with a pair of pliers that are really insufferable. After awhile the dick scabs don’t bother you. Once I got tick embedded in the head of my dick and thought it was some weird herpes think until I picked at it and six little legs started flailing. After I tore it off looked up Lyme disease and passed out after seeing some of the clinical photos that might be my future dick. Lotsa laffs.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:55 pm bangbangbang

        Without broken skin, HPV doesn’t “seat” on the scrotum very well, this is noted in at least a few of the studies done on HPV transmission in couples; they’ll detect it on the scrotum of men for about two days after intercourse, then they won’t detect it again. The virus has trouble piercing the thick skin, almost like it evolved to be a protective barrier to all things woman.

        Herpes outbreaks are actually nbd, provided you hammer down antivirals as soon as you can after exposure/eruption. “Future” herpes outbreaks are basically determined in number and frequency by the effectiveness of the killing of the first round. So take those antivirals, whatever sets up will be weak, at the first sign of prodrome take more…and you’ll be fine.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:52 pm Simon Corso

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/?s=Slut+tells

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  18. on July 7, 2015 at 2:17 pm The Spirit Within

    OT

    I don’t understand the hate trending towards women’s soccer in the manosphere. OF COURSE women run slower than men do. OF COURSE a professional men’s soccer team will kill a professional women’s soccer team. That’s why we segregate the genders.

    But compared with their peers, our US women rocked. Their skills were superior. They played craftier (a goal from midfield? hell yeah! when do you ever see that?). In short, they made the Japanese look like … a bunch of girls, lol.

    [Ch: watching women’s soccer was like pouring molasses in my eyes. slow, ponderous, ungainly, and worst of all, dyke-ugly. (barring a couple of notable exceptions.)]

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:24 pm PA

      “they made the Japanese look like … a bunch of girls”

      So who won?

      [CH: heh.]

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:42 am Greg Eliot

        Oh, well-played, sir… well-played, indeed!

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:28 pm meistergedanken

      Yes, but it’s a waste when those women could be at home birthing and raising children instead of running around a field. They’re not even earning big bucks. Squandering resources like that warrants contempt.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:37 pm Anonymous

        They’re all a bunch of dykes though, so that’s moot.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:48 pm oink

        a couple … some … most … all

        slither, reptile, slither.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:49 pm Anonymous

        Be fair now. I read that one of them *might* be into dick…

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:58 pm oink

        17 dykes out of what? 500, 700 female participants and personnel?

        That’s a whopping 3%, in the field (athletics) most skewed for dykeness, outside the military?

        Slither on, reptile, slither on.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:10 pm Anonymous

        17 who admit it.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:49 pm mendozatorres

      I read somewhere that even a high school boys team once beat the US women’s team.

      On a larger note, Steve Sailer wrote a good point about women’s soccer and diversity.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:08 pm Danindc

        Most good high school teams would beat the U.S. Women. If you took an all star team of 7th graders they would beat the WNBA Champions. The quickness difference is huge.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:50 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      I just don’t understand the appeal of watching a bunch of girls playing sports. It’s pure nonsense.

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 8:35 am uh

        Feel the same about women in camo shooting guns, or riding trucks.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm Steve Johnson

      “OF COURSE a professional men’s soccer team will kill a professional women’s soccer team. ”

      Ha!

      Try 15 year old boys. They also lost to the US boy’s national 17 and under team 8-2. In terms of real sports scores that’s like a 100-0.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 3:54 pm John Croome

        The free kick by the Chinese bird in the first match against Canada was as good as any you would see in a man’ match. (Hit the post.)

        The worst thing about the WWC was the refereeing. They had to be women, obviously, and they were evil. Some diabolical decisions.

        There was masses of awful play, even Keystone Cops moments (the England own goal against Japan). But the male commentators never dared say anything negative, for fear of losing their job.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:52 pm Big Jim

      Encouraging girls to play sports is really part of the problem. We know from existing literature that vigorous exercise raises T levels, especially contact sports, which accelerates the masculinization process. Female athletes tend to be among the biggest whores if they go full on into dykedom. Title IX has helped ruin a couple generations of girls now.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 4:18 pm 88

        exactly right.

        same thing with women who work out all the time. i know i’ve said it multiple times but most women do not need to spend time in the gym to stay thin and attractive. all they need to do is control their diet. women who workout regularly almost always have higher testosterone levels and are more masculine than they should be. not something you should want in your women.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:45 pm SC

        Title IX has also kept a lid on the obesity level for females who go to university. There’s a reason why women who aren’t smart enough to get into university are a lot fatter than women who are smart enough. And that’s true even when you control for race.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:59 pm Donohoe

      It’s not so much the appreciation it’s the fact that they want recognition for it in the form of equal pay

      People earn my respect. They don’t get given it, they’re not entitled to it and especially not if they aren’t at equal merit as other people – it’s been proven women don’t play the game at the same level as men so why should they get the same respect/pay/recognition as them

      The only way I could recognise them would be with a simple pat on the head – this would do make them push to work harder or pull them back towards the home where they’re skills are respected and far outweigh mens anyway

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 11:44 pm Rick250

        I dont think women initially got into it for the money. I think its the MSM / Hivemind that is pushing the equal pay nonsense.
        What i find interesting tho is how ambitious/driven some women can be…its funny cause they dont have to be. If i were them id just focus on beauty and femininity.
        They must know men dont care if they play soccer or knit sweaters for a pasttime. It must be projection.
        Also, fame and attention. And sexuality.
        We all know women can get off watching MW porn or just as easily two animals going at it, or a couple of fudge packers (oh the passion!) so they must get off to a certain degree watching women in sports or even in the presence of powerful women in business.

        One thing for sure is women are expressing their sexuality more and more. Just wade into the sexual swamp of Craigslist casual encounters and check all the W4W ads in your city and 10 other random cities. This used to be the domain of just fuglys and bbws (and lots of horny betas..hence all the ads saying NO MEN). Its entertaining to read some of the ads..you can even learn some game from some of the dykes luring in newbies lol.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:33 pm Hilary Clinton

      #Clown. An AMATEUR men’s team would kill the BEST women’s team. Goals are scored from midfield in MOST matches. The frumpy kit atttracts fugs. Rocked = Dykey?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:24 pm The Spirit Within

        Dude, goals are NEVER scored from midfield — unless you’re playing 4 on 4 on a tiny field with cones.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 11:58 pm Moses

      A commenter the other day got it right:

      “Why don’t we have teams of our midgets play teams of their midgets?”

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 5:47 am Greg Eliot

      I don’t know about youse guys, but I find it a welcome respite that Strapon has turned his attention to a (ahem) manful defense of chicksport, instead of his usual suspects.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 4:32 pm Canadian Friend

        + 1

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  19. on July 7, 2015 at 2:28 pm Sean Fielding

    Regarding Manlet persistence, there’s no need to scrape the barrel for hippy-dippy type explanations like estrogens-from-plastic (waiting for the tinhat chorus now, even CH is full of them). That’s all blank-slate bullshit.

    [CH: there is evidence that estrogenic chemical compounds are fucking with the sex assignment of fish. so i wouldn’t be quick to dismiss the charge out of hand.]

    Manlets persist because betadom is in the genes of most men, and it’s damn hard to change what our genes tell us to do. I’m a member of a high-status profession and I’ve been a huge proponent of evolutionary psychology for over 30 years, but I only changed because I perceived a real threat that I might never get laid again if I didn’t.

    Commenters like wala and Yareally have documented their own journeys and need for change, but they too did not come to the table with empty pockets – they had travel experience, or arty/entertainment careers, etc.

    Now imagine the Manlets who really do come empty to the table; average IQ so they can’t understand what Steve Pinker tells them; high inhibition so they can’t act on it even if they did understand; no fame so they can’t even content themselves with aging feminist pussy like Pinker himself; killing, muffin-top physiognomy, low-status job with no tingle factors, etc, etc.

    Sure, theoretically all they need to do is recognize that confidence is key and start faking it. But how exactly can more than 1% of them be expected to take the plunge?

    [galileo probably thought the same thing when he pondered releasing his truth to the world. but he did it anyway. because truth has self-evident value.]

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:03 pm martin

      It’s true, the estrogen studies are usually in vitro and even if scientists do observe something strange in the wild in fish, it’s a long ways from proving that the way men behave is affected. It is almost feminist to be so critical of men that are long-term-oriented shall we say. Some pine and supplicate, but many don’t. The status gained from employment, wealth, and success simply mean nothing anymore. Even if one does learn game, there are a lot of other structural issues to deal with. for example the clubs i have visited are full of men, polish, arabs, and middle aged divorcees. The reality is that there are far more males pursuing the average woman now than in the past so how much game can change things remains to be seen.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:47 pm Matt

      You had me for a couple seconds there with the first paragraph. Then you go on with your own tinhat fabrications.

      galileo probably thought the same thing when he pondered releasing his truth to the world. but he did it anyway. because truth has self-evident value.

      I used to think your ignorance was vincible. Now your folderol is just fodder for lols. Sad, dispiriting lols.

      Crying “Galileo!” is the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE crowd’s equivalent of crying Hitler.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 4:58 pm Sean Fielding

        Not sure who you’re addressing here – anything in square brackets is from CH, not me. But you’d probably lump us both into the I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE crowd.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm Matt

        I address you first, then the bracketologist. But if you’re into the same brand of reductio ad Galileum scientism too, feel free to be similarly exposed.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:51 pm Matt

      Sure, theoretically all they need to do is recognize that confidence is key and start faking it. But how exactly can more than 1% of them be expected to take the plunge?

      Men everywhere — alpha males — will get theirs no matter the environment, because nature prevails through wax-winged artifice. Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret. When any given culture makes it a little harder for men to get their slice of the pie, it becomes that much harder for the imitation-men to get their own stolen piece.

      CH’s above manifesto describes how nature’s losers can better imitate better men, and how they might finagle the rewards of those betters, and which kinds of environments are more amenable to their ruse. Or “game.”

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:01 pm Matt

        Don’t forget: The success of 80% of this jumped-up trickery is attributable to alcohol. Very little of the flirt-by-numbers voodoo works where women are not already chemically softened up and abandoned by their faggot “fathers” to their own childlike defenses. Roofies and booze are a difference of degree rather than kind.

        In the state of nature, sex is rape. Cleverly maneuvering around the social compact to temporarily stun a chick might be effective, but it isn’t manly. The real test is to draw up a program for getting a woman to say yes again, the morning after, and again and again, soberly, with all choices before her, with one’s entire self revealed — a woman

        who has not only learnt to compromise and arrange with that which was and is, but wishes to have it again AS IT WAS AND IS, for all eternity, insatiably calling out da capo, not only to [herself], but to the whole piece and play; and not only the play, but actually to him who requires the play….

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:57 pm Bel Riose

        For fuck’s sake, you’ve admitted you’ve never even had sex.

        And you lecture on the “nature of sex,” the “real test” of manhood, and the “morning after?”

        Tell us something, Jesuit: considering the fact that the only sexual release you’ve ever had comes from jerking yourself off as you post your pompous windbag comments, why should any of us believe anything you have to say on the “jumped up trickery” of gaming women?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:47 pm Anonymous

        Careful, Bel. Keep shooting your mouth off, and the Emperor will have you back on Trantor facing a firing squad before you can say “Foundation!”

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 8:42 pm Matt

        That’s General Riose of the Galactic Empire, to you, muggle. The legendary Commander of the Twentieth Fleet and Last of the Imperials. If you don’t believe me, Wiki it.

        A man of great military genius, he is also brave, competent, good looking, neither too young nor too old, a taker of calculated risks, and good to his men—in short, he is a popular general.

        Unfortunately for him, he was born at a late point during the slow fall of the Empire. Riose yearns for the days when Generals proved their worth through the addition of new territory to the empire.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 8:06 am martin

        Matt I think you are trying to say that women are being tricked in to sleeping with these short term type of men because of lies from pua’s and alcohol. I think that is denying the situation. CH is saying that women are actively pursuing the pua’s and intoxication because it’s what they want. A protective, provider who is there for them the next day is no longer interesting to them.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:00 pm YaReally

        Game works best on sober girls. Drunk girls don’t understand verbal nuances and have too much ADD to focus on getting deep rapport etc. Most of my buddies and I purposely avoid drunk girls. The hottest girls also rarely drink because the 6s can get sloppy plastered all over the dance floors but the smokin hot ones who are building a reputation in the nightlife scene and know everyone is watching them just tour the clubs sober hoping a high value man will approach them, they aren’t downing jäger shots and sucking face all over the dance floor, except in te fantasy vision of clubs in the heads of guys who don’t go out.

        We sarge outside of bars all the time. Street game day game sarging coffee shops and libraries and malls and shit

        Every time you talk out your ass you just show everyone you don’t go out.

        [CH: all true. these people who say game only works on drunk girls have obviously never run game in their lives. what “works” on drunk girls: looking suave and taking personal space liberties.]

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    • on July 10, 2015 at 8:38 am uh

      Ok. I just slit my wrists. Typing mfght beihard cuasz thekleybnoyd islsuopery.

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  20. on July 7, 2015 at 2:39 pm Anonymous

    Where is t*h*w*a*c*k*? I purely miss his lame attempts at race-baiting. Maybe there was a riot/looting he didn’t want to miss? Or a fat, tatted-up white chick to dumpster-dive?

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 2:40 pm everybodyhatesscott

      prison

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 2:44 pm Anonymous

        Good point. Probably being passed around for a pack of cigarettes…

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 9:15 am Jack Rackam

      He changed his name to James Blonde.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 9:35 am James Blonde

        Because certain white crybabies begged CH to ban th**ck because I made them look pale and stiff.

        nowadays they usually duck me and fight bums and set ups…

        I aint mad at em.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 10:18 am Greg Eliot

        Bullshit, Sambo… you annoyed even the long-suffering proprietor to the point where he administered discipline… something you darkies hate more than tight shoes and a cold outhouse.

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  21. on July 7, 2015 at 2:42 pm oink

    Azn wymin have THREE times the chlamydia rate of azn men.

    What a gaggle of ugly skans.

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  22. on July 7, 2015 at 2:57 pm mendozatorres

    OT: If you want a good laugh, check out YouTube and watch Everything Wrong With 50 Shades. Guy hits all the points squarely!

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  23. on July 7, 2015 at 3:02 pm SC

    I don’t disagree with your other points, but I do disagree with #2 (and have been for quite some time).

    The most sexually promiscuous demographic of people in the United States are also the most sexually dimorphic. The men look like men on steroids and the women have more hourglass bodies (controlling for BMI).

    The least sexually promiscuous demographic of people in the United States are also the least sexually dimorphic. The men don’t look much taller or more muscular than the women, and the women (and men) look like they only went half way through puberty and then stopped. Essentially, this demographic looks forever frozen in time at age 14-15.

    The most sexually chaste women in America are not the most beautiful and feminine. The most sexually chaste women tend to be low testosterone AND low estrogen, that is, they are unmasculine and unfeminine. They tend to appear a bit more childlike in their physical features.

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  24. on July 7, 2015 at 3:17 pm J N

    We are living in a playa’s paradise, but it won’t be a paradise for your average player, because eventually every player tires of the time. Sometimes it takes 1 year, sometimes it takes 10.

    In Africa, Islam is rapidly taking over. Religion appeals to both men and women. Meanwhile, America is trying to get rid of its shreds of religion as quickly as possible. Religion exists to regulate male and female misbehaviour so that we don’t end up an r-selected disaster.

    Adapt or die.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 3:46 pm oink

      bullshit. for someone with such avatar? Izlem is taking over EUROPE. Well, the western part, at least.

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  25. on July 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm Ras al Ghul

    One of the interesting side effects is that men are starting to play the divorce game the way women have been for 40 years now.

    The preemptive pfma, restraining orders, allegations of instability (and the more women are unrestrained the more unstable they look these days) the slacking off at work, the fighting for custody, and showing (with records) that they’ve been the primary care provider for the children. (especially if the woman has lgno and affairs it isn’t that hard to show who was home with the kids).

    And women hate it.

    I’ve been watching it play out more and more.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 5:01 pm Tilikum

      Indeed. And you CAN succeed.

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    • on July 9, 2015 at 6:57 am EricN

      The last thing normal guys should do is get paternity tests, dna saliva testing. Find ways to check if they’re your kids,. Normal people get duped in this country,

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  26. on July 7, 2015 at 3:31 pm anon33

    From Twitter: No one is more delusional about reality than an academic. Those spare IQ points aren’t gonna spin themselves.

    I know a white man who has spent 3 years writing a paper to earn a PhD in “education,” and the topic of his paper is creating some crazy ludicrous explanation for why blacks perform worse than whites in school, with the thesis being something like the fact that their families historically lack capital. No mention of 80 IQ vs. 100 IQ, and in 3 years of research, this dude has never heard of the concept of r-selection vs k-selection, nor Occam’s Razor. No consideration of which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    The lzozlozlzozlzoz-est thing of all is that only an above-average intelligence white (or Asian) man could even come up with the complicated theory that is his argument — he’s white knighting for them. Spending thousands of hours of his energy and getting a job as a college professor here in this formerly great white country writing a complicated theory explaining why those with substantial African blood don’t perform well in school.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:12 pm mendozatorres

      It’s amazing what insecure people will do for acceptance, validation.

      “that only an above-average intelligence white (or Asian) man could even come up with the complicated theory that is his argument”…..well, he’s writing for an audience of his peers, right? And they’re all of the mind, “we’re smart, but bad, so let’s see how we can mitigate this as best we can.”

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:49 am James Blonde

        Blax that perform well in school are the ones with fathers.

        Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters are two examples of what happens when a black child has a serious father who is head of the household.

        It appears a white woman can do it too (Obama).

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:42 pm anon33

        Thwack, none of them are engineers. Funny you are proud of Serena, who shows in every interview (and on the court) that she’s 1 second away at any time from exploding into ghetto mode. She’s embarrassingly childlike – quicker to laugh; quicker to cry.

        Yeah, at 175 pounds, she mauls the white female players against whom she plays tennis.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 5:21 pm Danindc

      The white man may be smarter than you think. Any mention of IQ differences and his career is over. What choice does he have? If he’s really smart he’ll come up with a new completely implausible reason. See white privilege, lead paint, lack of midnight basketball…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 6:18 am James1

        Lol. Williams sisters and tiger woods are your examples for “doing well at school? Two roided up gorillas and a roided mystery meat who chases white women? And obama? The poster BOY for affirmative action…..

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      • on July 12, 2015 at 6:14 am James1

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      • on July 12, 2015 at 7:50 am James Blonde

        Charles Darwin never claimed survival of the “bestest” or the “goodest”; or even the smartest…

        For humans, there may even be an evolutionary advantage to lying?

        Are you good with that?

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  27. on July 7, 2015 at 3:33 pm Big Jim

    “2. Less sexual dimorphism”

    Only perhaps under current conditions of wide spread use of contraception. Under normal conditions the cads and tramps society would tend to favor masculinization of both women (as you describe) and men, as the more masculine alpha males enjoy much greater reproductive success propagate their genes. Look at Africans, with on average higher T levels and more robust skeletal features in both men and women. The dads and damsels society does the opposite: feminizing both women (again, as you describe) and men, as mild mannered betas are able to raise large families in relative security that the kids are indeed theirs. I.e north east Asians with average T levels are lower for both men and women and relatively gracile skeletal structures.

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  28. on July 7, 2015 at 3:34 pm Donohoe

    The evidence of this is prominent in all walks of our modern life

    Just finished house of cards season 3, which ends with Claire Underwood leaving Francis – like the “strong independent woman” she is (my balls)

    In real life, if a man dominated a woman like Francis dominated her, if he had all the power and influence that he did, she would cower and conform to him without a seconds hesitation.

    It’s called Stockholm syndrome, it’s why female abuse victims stay with their husbands but it’s also about how female psychology works

    This knowledge is something house of cards, and modern society, seem to have no grasp over

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 9:31 pm Dr. Fill

      “It’s called Stockholm syndrome, it’s why female abuse victims stay with their husbands but it’s also about how female psychology works”

      No. Most times they stay with their “abuser” because it gets them off.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 12:38 am .

        “it’s how female psychology works.” translation: too lazy to browse jstor awhile so i’d much rather tar everything i don’t get with the brush of ~female mystique~

        @ Fill source?

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 11:25 am Donohoe

        You read it wrong. It’s a list, not a definition you self-righteous buffoon

        @. on – if you’ve read anything in the manosphere/Heartiste you’ll already understand female psychology

        Pipe down before making basic assumptions

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 12:18 pm Dr. Fill

        My source is anecdotal – that is – my experience with women who cannot climax without pain and humiliation.

        If they had been up front about it, I could have helped them. But no, they couldn’t be honest with me, much less themselves. So they date a guy who beats them.

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  29. on July 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm oogaboogaman

    On the Dark Age

    (from “Revolt Against the Modern World”)

    Outcastes and barbarians will be masters of the banks of the Indus, Darvika, the Chandrabhaga and Kashmir. These will all be contemporary rulers [of this age] reigning over the earth: kings [rulers] of violent temper … They will seize upon the property of their subjects; they will be of limited power and will for the most part rapidly rise and fall; their lives will be short, their desires insatiable, and they will display but little piety. The people of various countries intermingling with them will follow their example … The prevailing caste will be the Shudra … Vaisyas will abandon agriculture and commerce and gain a livelihood by servitude or the exercise of mechanical arts [proletarization and industrialization] … Kshyatrias instead of protecting will plunder their subjects: and under the pretext of levying customs will rob merchants of their property [crisis of capitalism and of private property; socialization, nationalization, and communism] … Wealth [inner] and piety [following one’s dharma] will decrease day by day until the whole world will be wholly depraved. Then property alone will confer rank [the quantity of dollars – economic classes]; wealth [material] will be the only source of devotion; passion will be the sole bond of union between the sexes; falsehood will be the only means of success in litigation….

    Earth will be venerated but for its mineral treasures [unscrupulous exploitation of the soil, demise of the cult of the earth] …

    Brahmanical clothes will constitute a Brahman … weakness will be the cause of dependence [cowardice, death of fides and honor in the modern political forms] … simple ablution [devoid of the power of the true rite] will be purification [can there really be anything more in the alleged salvation procured in the Christian sacraments?] …

    In the Kali age men corrupted by unbelievers … will say: “Of what authority are the Vedas? What are gods or Brahmans? …”

    Observance of caste, order and institutes [traditional] will not prevail in the Kali age. Marriages in this age will not be conformable to the ritual, nor will the rules that connect the spiritual preceptor and his disciple be in force. … A regenerated man will be initiated in any way whatever [democracy applied to the spiritual plane] and such acts of penance as may be performed will be unattended by any results [this refers to a “humanistic” and conformist religion] … all orders of life will be common alike to all persons. …

    He who gives away much money will be the master of men and family descent will no longer be a title of supremacy [the end of traditional nobility, advent of bourgeoisie, plutocracy]. …

    Men will fix their desires upon riches, even though dishonestly acquired. … Men of all degrees will conceit themselves to be equal with Brahmans [the prevarication and presumption of the intellectuals and modern culture]. … The people will be almost always in dread of dearth and apprehensive of scarcity; and will hence ever be watching the appearances of the sky [the meaning of the religious and superstitious residues typical of modern masses]. …

    The women will pay no attention to the commands of their husbands or parents…. They will be selfish, abject and slatternly; they will be scolds and liars; they will be indecent and immoral in their conduct and will ever attach themselves to dissolute men….

    Men having deviated into heresy, iniquity will flourish, and the duration of life will therefore decrease. *

    JULIUS EVOLA

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 8:35 am Cydonia 19.5

      Excellent example. The ancients were seldom wrong.

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    • on July 10, 2015 at 3:06 pm uh

      Actually this is Evola quoting verbatim from the “Vana Parva”, or third book of the Mahabharata.

      http://sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/index.htm

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  30. on July 7, 2015 at 3:54 pm corvinus

    I voted “illusory”.

    A playa’s paradise would be places like Colombia or Ukraine, with lots of beautiful feminine women.

    #1. More sexualized women? Yes, playa’s paradise. (Arab countries are great… not.)

    #2. Less sexual dimorphism? No, not a playa’s paradise. (Unless you like women who look like men…)

    #3. More feminism? No. (Unless you like bitches.)

    #4. Hatred of traditional sex roles? No. (Again, unless you like bitches.)

    #5. Hatred of beta provider males? Yes. (If you’re a playa, you don’t want women loyal to lickspittle beta suckups.)

    #6. More aggressive sexual signaling? Yes. (Makes things easier, of course.)

    #7. Disproportionately higher STD rates among women? No. (Unless you like peeing razor blades.)

    #8. More women acting out like men? No.
    #9. More men acting out like women? Yes.
    (This would explain why, say, Japan, where both sexes act out like women, is a playa’s paradise, but Britain, where both act out like men, is decidedly not, unless you only go after foreigners.)

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:40 pm Sean Fielding

      Interesting way of looking at it. Seems it’s a question of stable strategies in a shifting mix.

      For naturals and the most diligent Game students, Ukraine is a player’s paradise because it’s somewhat like Central Europe was between 1989 and 2007: full of feminine women who had yet to be ruined, were naively curious about sexual ‘liberation’ and stood in awe of the ‘high-status’ West.

      Hell, even the West was somewhat like this for my generation. I’m beta to the core but got a fair bit of action in my remote teens because I was young and cute and the sexual revolution was new.

      For all with significant Game, either naturals or adequate students, the current West is a player’s paradise because so many women are DTF.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 9:04 pm corvinus

        Conversely, if a man doesn’t mind dumpster-diving, I suppose he could answer “yes” to all nine conditions.

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  31. on July 7, 2015 at 4:19 pm King

    The author is describing the end-world, blue-state, urban-degenerate milieu. This is a leftist’s wet dream more than a “cad’s.” One of CH’s persistent flaws is asserting without evidence that metrosexuality somehow impinges on manliness. Why else would he pedestalize Africa, the constipated colon of the planet?

    Any culture — and any Kingdom of This World — is a mixture of sinners and saints. Or more precisely for our purposes here: a mixture of sinners who revel in the slavery of sin and sinners who desire to escape it. This hasn’t been news since John 8:32.

    Rather, the big news of the millennium is that we are falling further and further from the possibility of monoculture, never to be regained. When he asks “Are We Living in a Player’s Paradise?” the key question is how we delineate “We” more than “Paradise.” The nine observations apply only to an imaginary place defined by ideological wishful thinking — like some administrator’s plan for a “progressive” college campus — and to nothing in the real world. U-Topos.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 6:00 pm Bel Riose

      Didn’t CH admonish you to pick a handle and stick with it?

      Are you trying to circumvent the moderation filter so we can read even more of your ramblings, you religious freak?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 6:45 pm Danindc

        Shalom Bel Riose. Shalom.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:04 pm Philomathean

        Bel,

        You should change your handle to Remora.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:28 pm Dr. Fill

        I don’t know your posting history but I guess posting while Jewish is frowned upon here, regardless of content.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 5:56 am Greg Eliot

        STFU while men are talking… you fairy.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 8:32 am The Spirit Within

        @ Dr. Fill

        In the WN (white nationalist) worldview, you either agree with them or you are Jewish. There is no other option.

        It’s a false dichotomy, but they can’t understand that.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 10:23 am Greg Eliot

        Strapon just doesn’t understand the concept of “walk like a duck, quack like a duck, probably a duck”.

        Stop shilling for the Cathedral and folks won’t take you for one of their Sanhedrin, fool.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 11:00 am Sean Fielding

        Re Strap-on’s “you either agree with them or you are Jewish.”

        Not quite. It’s more like ‘you either agree with us or you agree with the Jews.’

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:03 pm Greg Eliot

        Touche’, Fielding… well-struck.

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  32. on July 7, 2015 at 4:39 pm Ann

    I’m an occasional female reader of this site. This post brings up something really puzzling about modern mens’ behavior that I observed years ago when I worked as a topless dancer in college. I was hoping the readers here could help untangle this contradiction.

    I worked at this club for a couple of years in my early twenties. I went in knowing that it would make me basically undatable and didn’t much care as I’d been turned off of dating by a recent bad breakup. Right out of the gate, I was overwhelmed by how supportive the patrons were of stripping as a career choice and a lifestyle. Many of them looked honestly flummoxed when I’d express doubt that I could have a boyfriend and be a stripper. They’d say, “Hell yeah, I’d date a dancer. Are you kidding?” and things to that effect. Many of them sermonized on how progressive, liberated, nonjudgmental, and enlightened sex work was and how repressed, puritanical, anti-humanist, and uptight its critics were. They’d say, “If I was a girl, I’d be stripping.” They couldn’t wait to tell you how down with stripping they were.

    Well, after some time, that narrative started to show some cracks. I tried to date a few of the guys I met there, and all attempts ended in disaster. Mr. Down With Stripping disappeared by the third date and was replaced either with a surly, defeated PUA who didn’t want to pay for my drink, or a low SMV chump asking me when I’m going to stop dancing. Were those few guys a representative sample of all of them? I started to think over things. The guys who just couldn’t for the life of them believe you didn’t have a boyfriend would ironically always leave without asking you on a date. The men who bragged about how progressive and liberal they were never invited you to socialize with them in the real world. When he’d have his dinner parties with his yuppie friends, how many strippers were at the table? Zero. None of them ever made the smallest effort to see me outside the club for any reason. One of the look-how-progressive-and down-I-am guys ignored me and my stripper friend when he saw us at bar once.

    Some of the guys who gave that spiel were trying to get laid, but most of them weren’t. That’s where I’m stumped and frankly angered by it all. If they weren’t lying to get sex, what the hell were they lying for? Why mislead a 20 year old who doesn’t know her ass from her elbow if you’re not even getting anything out of it? Why fill her head with dangerous falsehoods for no reason?

    These days I think back on those people, and I’m like puh-lease. Sex work will never be mainstream. Human beings would have to change. I thank God there’s no one in my life who knows about it. You will always be the stripper. They’ll always find a way to throw it back in your face.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:49 pm Sean Fielding

      “If they weren’t lying to get sex, what the hell were they lying for?”

      They were hoping to get sex, but you were harder to get than they expected from a stripper. The fact that you wrote this constitutes initial evidence.

      “Why mislead a 20 year old who doesn’t know her ass from her elbow if you’re not even getting anything out of it?”

      Progressivism feeds almost as many male hamsters as female.

      “You will always be the stripper.”

      Male standards beyond the hamster don’t change as much as progressivism would have it. Especially the standards of desirable men.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:24 pm Ann

        @Sean Fielding, I know it’s a tempting conclusion, but many of them were definitely not trying to get sex. There was no proposition, no “What are you doing later,” no nothing.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 6:00 am Greg Eliot

        Progressivism feeds almost as many male hamsters as female.

        COTW..

        One can see them even around the chateau… red-pill in all matters EXCEPT politics and sociology.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm Anonymous

      Pics or GTFO…

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 5:21 pm Ann

        @Anonymous, if I were a male troll, don’t you think I would have wrote a much more lascivious post? Do you think I’d out myself (with pictures) as an ex stripper on the world wide web?

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm Anonymous

        Not a troll test, a reality test. You may not look as good as you think dearie.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 5:03 pm Tilikum

      You were a challenge that wasn’t.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm Slumlord

      The guys who just couldn’t for the life of them believe you didn’t have a boyfriend would ironically always leave without asking you on a date.

      This whole blog is for that type of guy. I don’t think you fully understand just how hard it is to ask an attractive woman out, especially when you’ve been rejected previously. Especially, how it destroys your confidence. Most normal men aren’t gluttons for punishment and, furthermore, you’re in an environment where people know your trying to scam them. Not really a place for healthy relationship formation.

      If they weren’t lying to get sex, what the hell were they lying for? Why mislead a 20 year old who doesn’t know her ass from her elbow if you’re not even getting anything out of it?

      Don’t delude yourself. All these guys were trying to get into your pants, when it came to pulling the trigger and actually making a move, they chickened out. Very few men are adept at commandeering pussy. Most guys “luck” into sex rather than engineer it. Good looks and natural alpha personality mean that women pretty much offer it to you, if you don’t have that then you have to work at it and overcome the fear barrier. Rejection by strippers-who by implication are sexually easy–is a clear demonstration to males of their lack of sexual worth. Why take the kick in the guts?

      One of the look-how-progressive-and down-I-am guys ignored me and my stripper friend when he saw us at bar once.

      In the strip club you’re an alpha female, in the real world you’re an lesser beta woman. Your looks still matter to a degree, but once you hit the wall you’re an omega. Stripping is socially low class, the profession of trailer trash.
      Who chooses to hang out with trailer trash? Furthermore, most of the liberal progressive types are very socially status conscious, hence their avoidance.

      I thank God there’s no one in my life who knows about it. You will always be the stripper. They’ll always find a way to throw it back in your face.

      Yep. I know people make stupid mistakes when they’re young and you were pretty stupid. People change, I understand that, though it would be a dealbreaker with me. I think it’s very wise to bury your past and start again.

      Why mislead a 20 year old who doesn’t know her ass from her elbow

      That’s the problem with 20 year old girls, at the height of their sexual attraction, they know everything yet they know nothing.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 6:54 pm Ann

        “In the strip club you’re an alpha female, in the real world you’re an lesser beta woman. Your looks still matter to a degree, but once you hit the wall you’re an omega. Stripping is socially low class, the profession of trailer trash. Who chooses to hang out with trailer trash? Furthermore, most of the liberal progressive types are very socially status conscious, hence their avoidance.”

        All this I know. He was a phony lib d-bag who would rather have vomited a flaming porcupine than walked down the sidewalk with me. What I’m saying is, why couldn’t he just have been polite and enjoyed the show? Why did he have to lay on the sex-positive prog posturing? Did he think he could get in and out of my pants without being seen with me for a split second in public? That seems like it would be hard to pull off even with an easy ass stripper.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:09 pm Slumlord

        Why did he have to lay on the sex-positive prog posturing? Did he think he could get in and out of my pants without being seen with me for a split second in public?

        Yes, You still don’t understand. He wanted a fuck, not a relationship. Men can easily separate the two.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm Lucius Somesuch

        Ann, he wasn’t thinking about the split-second getting seen with you in public. That didn’t touch his consciousness. In the club you were his angel of sin, some decadent fantasy vision he was ecstatic even to talk to. You were, presumably, his Sex Incarnate. So of course he enthusiastically buttered you up. He wasn’t thinking as a social animal. In a Camille Paglia sense, this might even have been his “truer” self, insofar as, on some Blue Lagoon Island, he might have merrily fucked you to eternity. But at some point (say, every night when he left the club) reality sank in, or started to chink away at his infatuation.

        I suppose your indignation has a certain merit, but in the end, the only person who could really troll you in that environment was yourself.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 12:53 pm Jay

        “Don’t delude yourself. All these guys were trying to get into your pants, when it came to pulling the trigger and actually making a move, they chickened out.”

        When I was a grad student in the early 70’s, I would stop by a topless bar for a beer after working on my research until 10 pm. One night a fine little lady in short shorts came in and sat at a table alone. She got lots of looks but nobody (out of 30 guys) made a move. After a few minutes I went over and asked her if she would like to go somewhere else. She affirmed that she would and followed me to my cottage in her car. Inside she told me that her super-alpha man (6’5″, blonde athlete) had screwed her girlfriend and she was getting her revenge. Fine with me, I said. Then she asked my first name. When I told her, she said, “Damn, that’s my man’s name. I can’t fuck someone with his name.” And she left. Any one of those other 30 guys could have gotten laid. They had the right names, but not the guts.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 6:12 pm The Other Anonymous

      I never liked socializing with people who define themselves by their jobs. In fact, when I go to parties I keep a pocket full of singles – and as soon as someone asks me what I do for a living – I stick a buck down their shirt and they move on.

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 7:36 pm Ann

        @Slumlord, I really don’t think he wanted a fuck. He was a frequent patron, and I wasn’t even among his favorites. I know they can separate the two–I’m not in kindergarten. You just have to believe me that some of these guys did not want anything to do with us in real life, not even a lay, and they still gave us this spiel. Then you would start to understand my burning frustration at being bullshitted for no apparent reason.

        [CH: trust me. he wanted to fuck you.]

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 8:08 pm Ann

        Hear me out. In some ways it parallels the situation with white people who can’t wait to tell you how much they crave diversity with every cell in their body while they have as little to do with it as possible. Often there’s no motive except to be heard saying something fashionable. Sex positive equalism/ “Women can be sexual now” jive was very fashionable a decade or so ago and still is, (though I feel there is some reality seeping slowly into the conversation). Sometimes I think these guys were just excited to hear themselves say something that was fashionable to say.

        I’m glad to see that Holly Madison has put out a book that pulls Hef’s cover as a pro sex feminist prog (he really tries to sell this) and exposes him as a man who treats a ho the same way every other man treats a ho. Girls should not be walking around thinking sex work could ever be anything but a disaster.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 8:33 pm Matt

      Top-notch provocateur. If your stripping were as good as your trolling, you’d be on Vegas billboards.

      What men say they want and what they really want out of the stripping experience is analogous to women and hypergamy: What women consciously profess to admire in men is belied by their attractions and actions.

      Likewise, men think they want the visuals and the friction while imagining it possible to divorce them from the person supplying those fleeting feels. This is the chief lie of the sexual revolution and the reason why it has only produced bastardy, crime, pathology, disease, walking catatonia, anomie, and death, rather than the promised paradise on earth.

      Some dopey, confused, liberal queer was spouting ideology at you like a serenade — you go, empowered grrl! — because he had no language of love or redemption and in fact was taught to hold those very ideas in contempt. No tools in the toolbox to explain or manage his attraction. He witnessed sin and could only call it progress. When it came time to act on his beliefs, he revealed himself as the coward his ideology made him. Or some small part of his desiccated soul was still alive enough to recognize the lie. It’s easier to yammer on about anti-truths than it is to live them.

      Our mincing postmodern generation: all talk, no cock.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 10:32 pm Cortesar

      ann,poor ann years had pass by and you still cannot get over the fact that an asshole did not want to fuck you
      And even at 20 you should have recognized so obvious a lie if not by experience than by instinct
      Next time strip for fascists like Charlotte Rampling did in Night Porter let leftoids suffocate in their own stench

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 12:19 am Moses

      Ann, you provide a thoughtful and valuable perspective. Keep commenting.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 11:05 am Sean Fielding

        Does the reflection from that well-polished pedestal make you look house-of-mirrors skinny or house-of-mirrors lard keg?

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 2:41 am Glengarry

      Always amusing with a woman getting upset by someone lying.

      In general, there is zero upside in telling a woman something she doesn’t want to hear. At best there will be endless indignant shrieks of “don’t you daaaa-AAA-re juuuudge meeeeeeeeee!” and so on. No point in burning those bridges, you realize after a while. Easier to just butter up the self-destructive impulsive 20 year old sex worker. Hey, who knows what the future will bring? Free motorboats?

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:30 pm Ann

        I think it was kind of like humoring a five year old about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. It was so hard for them to take you seriously or see you as a real person with a life outside of the club, the consequences of their bullshitting never occurred to them. So basically they’re telling you they respect strippers because they don’t respect you because you’re a stripper.

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  33. on July 7, 2015 at 4:50 pm Jax

    For Feminism, its not just about limiting men and freeing women. Feminism is a war on women as well ( I know this point has been discussed but stay with me). War on the women that MEN find desirable. War on the women MEN deem commitment and reproduction worthy. The strategy of this war is to reduce the desirable woman’s value so as to make competing easier for busted fem trolls.

    Feminism advocates the slut lifestyle because its not just about liberating women but also about reducing a woman’s worth so that all women have an equal shot. See in the feminists brain, if a hot woman is a slut her value diminishes giving them an equal shot at securing male commitment and provider-ship. Also, if you push fat acceptance and man-hating in addition to a loose lifestyle, that helps create a group of undesirable women that lesser women may be able to compete with. Obviously men aren’t going to look at a busted hag and say, “Well, I guess I’ll wife this one since she’s not a slut (unless he’s a sad chump),” but feminists actually think a homogeneous group of slutty, fat, man hating women levels the playing field for them and their bottom feeding friends. So hot women, is this the world you want to live in? Where a hag stands your equal in the sexual market. In the end it doesn’t matter because I’m not wifing a slut, or a fat chick, or an iron box femcunt. I’ll just continue bouncing from woman to woman. If that fucking unicorn finds me, great! If not, the playa’s paradise ain’t so bad.

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  34. on July 7, 2015 at 4:55 pm Are We Living In A Playa’s Paradise? | Reaction Times

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  35. on July 7, 2015 at 5:28 pm heythatsmycar

    OT (but prompted by point 5): Is IVF treatment beta and unmanly?

    Here’s my situation: my foreign bride and I have been married nearly 4 years. Life is good, generally. With the help of this site (seriously, thank you CH!) I have adopted many game techniques and my marriage is happy – plenty of sex, homecooked meals and mrs keeps herself in shape and we go to church on Sundays. But we aren’t having any success in the baby-making department. Mostly, it’s due to PCOS in my wife but my swimmers are a touch on the slow side, which doesn’t help either.

    So, we checked out an IVF clinic and tbh I’m not feeling it. Look, I would love to be a dad and I’ve found a good woman who would make a great mother, but IVF is messed up. I just don’t like the idea of my progency being cooked up in a petri dish like the weird kids of lesbians. The wife wants to, but she has changed her tune after I pointed out to her that she can’t love natural foods, nature walks, and no soy milk, but hand over her most fundamental natural function (fertility) to some lab rats.

    Anyway, I’m interested in others thoughts?

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 7:54 pm Danindc

      Tough situation. Good luck. I’d do it selfishly even though if you’re Catholic as I am, they’re very much against it.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 8:59 pm elmer

      The fun part is going into the masturbatorium and jerking off in to a cup. They may have a pile of well-worn erotic magazines to help you get the job done.

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 11:28 pm 88

      “I would love to be a dad and I’ve found a good woman who would make a great mother, but IVF is messed up. I just don’t like the idea of my progency being cooked up in a petri dish.”

      so what’s the alternative? no progeny at all? that’s nuts dude.

      sounds like you gotta do what you gotta do. you say you have a good marriage, you want to be a dad, and she’d make a good mother. so…

      you’d be using IVF exactly how it was meant to be used. you’d be producing a good healthy child or children who will be raised by a two parent hetero family. aside from giving you the family you might not get to have otherwise, you would actually be helping to correct all the imbalance we have right now in our world as all the gay/lesbian/single mother by choice parents continue to abuse this technology. come on man, get your head out of your ass and go make some babies.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 1:44 am carlos danger

      Have sex every day or every other day. That”s what worked for us. We were using the rythm method before, trying to guess her ovulation cycles and not having any luck. Once we did it the old fashioned way, she was pregnant within two months.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 12:02 pm Anonymous

      Increase seminal volume via fermented cods liver oil, chelates of zinc, oysters if available – and lots of celery. Also get lots of sun and sleep – spermogenisis is part of a hormonal chain – and stress is murderous.

      Position is important. Bolster up her hips – keep her legs on your shoulders. Find a position that best exposes her cervix – and get her into it when your ready to seed.

      Strange beds have worked for me. Take a vacation.

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  36. on July 7, 2015 at 5:29 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    The reduction of sexual dimorphism is treated in The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe. Note the row header ‘Gap Between Gender Roles’: http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/the-four-turnings.html

    Natural selection by nature creates greatness on the upswing of cultural cooperation and unnatural selection by institution eliminates the competition for sharing sovereignty by emasculating men at large. Women, the opportunistically greedy creatures they are, fill the void in mock performance. Feminism is not new except by degree for the mass media available in this fall of a leading erstwhile civilization. The women have been weaponized like never before, but more accurately they are weapons of nature that have been mustered like never before, a la Frankfurt.

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  37. on July 7, 2015 at 6:03 pm Undertow

    Quick text question: opened a girl I’ve plowed numerous times, my thoughts are she likes me, but she’s coy as fuck.

    Opened her a week later with a pic of a corona on a padio table over looking the beach with the caption “somethin’s missing”. The rest are as follows:

    This was the response:

    her: That’s cute, where are ya. Barbados?

    me: close. whats ur week like

    her: Working and my friend Victoria is coming up Thursday from Seattle to shoot a concert so definitely meet up with her

    ..not the outcome I wanted.

    Text back “cool” “k” etc..?

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 6:06 pm Undertow

      Obvs don’t want to come across butthurt – “cool have fun” works?

      I do want to call her out that she’s slipping off my radar with this latest text.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 10:41 am Culum Struan

        Undertow – I don’t see the problem here – you asked her a question, she answered it. I wouldn’t even reply at all at this stage.

        If all your doing is pinging her to keep her “live”, see several of YaReally’s posts to me on the subject in his archives – basically you want her to have an emotional reaction to you – quality is more imp than quantity. Don’t get drawn into boring chats and when you’re ready just text her for a meetup

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  38. on July 7, 2015 at 6:46 pm Amasius

    Africa here we come! Good article by F. Roger Devlin:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/06/back-to-africa/

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 11:15 am James Blonde

      You wouldn’t know Africa if you tripped over it.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 2:06 pm James1

        Detroit.

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  39. on July 7, 2015 at 6:53 pm Seymour Butts

    Nice little follow up/addendum/corollary to the parts of this post concerning sexual domorphism and men’s standards, courtesy of the Economist:

    http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21601458-what-makes-women-attractive-depends-how-healthy-place-they-live-faces?fsrc=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/facesandfortunes

    Men in healthier societies (i.e. less fat people) tend to appreciate more feminine women. Shockingly, however, societies like Japan (replete with betas), Sweden (cuck city), etc. were at the top of this list. How do you square the circle on this?

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 8:44 pm SC

      I don’t know what Swedes are into. I do have an inkling of what Japanese guys are into, as my school had some exchange students from there. They’re obviously not into masculine women, but they’re also not into feminine women either. They don’t want a hairy manjawed woman, but they also think that a BMI 21 woman with an hourglass body is overkill. They seem to prefer female bodies that most White men deem to be too thin. They say they like girls with big boobs, but their definition of “big boobs” is really just average to slightly below average size.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 8:18 am UMADDOEBRUH

      AINT HARD BREH

      CH IS FULL OF SHIT

      LOL

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 4:05 pm EricN

        ?

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  40. on July 7, 2015 at 8:50 pm tteclod

    BO (that’s Before Obama) I would have said the Playa Paradise was illusory. These events changed my opinion.

    1. Legalization of sodomy.

    Long a last-resort for women sexually abused by men, buttsex accusations no longer have a de facto criminal status. In its place is easily asserted rape accusations that may be easily refuted by a competent man armed with a video recorder.

    2. Mainstreaming illegitimacy
    Once upon a time, long, long ago in a country far, far away, women who conceived children outside marriage were fools. Here and now, such women are praised during Father’s day celebrations. Men who conceive children with women so sexually indiscriminate that paternity is best described as a game of Clue (Mr. Green in the Library with the candle stick!) have the best odds for cuckolding other more responsible men. Fecund anonymity is now the best paternity strategy.

    3. Religious Tolerance

    Personally, I think everything in this country went wrong when Washington put an end to Pope Day, but I’m sympathetic to the argument that Cromwell’s decision to permit Jews into England was equally bad. These days one can assert anything – even something contrary to plain scripture – as the will of God and remain Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim, or even Hindu. In such an environment, there is no truth, and even the plain results of scientific research become subject to interpretation according to one’s dogma. How can one maintain a coherent stand against lies when every lie must be treated equal to truth? One can’t.

    4. Income tax, social security, medicare, medicaid, prescriptions drug benefits, welfare, public housing, national health insurance.

    When a man no longer must provide for his old age by his own foresight and fecundity, and may instead rely upon his fellow countrymen for provision, then he has no reason to woo some damsel to his cause with promises of sharing his accumulated wealth and lifelong fidelity, and may instead pursue every slut he desires until his ache for poon fails with his aging libido. When women, who, despite all efforts at equality, remain unable to maintain much less establish the foundations of civilization, how much more will they rely upon the accumulated treasury of a nation for support if men decline to work for feminine benefit?

    As I told my daughter this evening: “Things will soon be very bad in this country as all millenials suspect. It is more important than ever that you warn your girlfriends against promiscuity so that they can effectively negotiate with the best men for the best life circumstances 50 years hence. Virginity will be a rare and valuable commodity bought for a steep price.”

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  41. on July 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm herbster

    mr charisma blew fire off his head…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3151724/Mother-July-4th-reveler-killed-launching-firework-head-reveals-son-thought-dud-calls-stricter-controls-explosives.html

    and this is what a real anglo saxon virgin is////fellow playah..,.

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  42. on July 7, 2015 at 10:48 pm Rum

    For some time now I have TRIED TO nurture the proposition, in this on going, Pit-Fighting to the Knife of a comment section… that the main driver of the female retreat from feminity is the modern perception, growing in their pretty heads, that they can raise a baby just fine even without the bio-dad around.
    Welfare, office jobs in HR, affirmative action(s) all have worked around the clock to re–program the female ID back to where it once belonged in much older and more authentic species – mice, ferrets, bears,:

    Alpha or drop dead… (Or at least, Alpha or it was raappe!) X 1000.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 7:24 am SC

      In this day and age, most women and most men can raise children as single parents. It’s not bad for the single parent herself/himself; it’s bad for the children. We all know that kids who come from single parent families are more likely to drop out of high school, do drugs. Boys are more likely to become violent, girls are more likely to become promiscuous welfare queens. And this is even after controlling for race, IQ, income, etc.

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  43. on July 7, 2015 at 10:56 pm Laikastes

    I voted for “entrenched”.

    I don’t see any way that the US can recover from its downward slide into Brazilification. Of course, there’s always the chance of some unexpected event, invention, or person (or a confluence of more than one of these) coming along at just the right time to pull the US back from the brink. But it doesn’t look very likely. Unlike some here, I don’t think there will be any civil war or uprising on the part of the whites, or the patriots, that cleanses the US of liberal idiocy and the worship of dindus and illegal aliens. I think it’s much more likely that the US (in name only – the US government long ago stopped making any efforts to honor and adhere to the Constitution) will continue to bump along for another 100 years, becoming even more of a socialist wasteland and economic backwater until it is obvious to everyone that it is as completely fucked up as places like Argentina or Venezuela are now.

    It was with great sadness that I gave up on the US a long time ago. I have lived overseas for nearly two decades now, and you couldn’t pay me enough money to go back to the US to live. Fortunately, I also made the decision never to have children early in life, so I will not have to suffer the fate of being cursed by my children and grandchildren for bringing them into such a fucked-up world.

    So, yeah, the US is a player’s paradise. But it’s a civic-minded man’s nightmare.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 7:04 am Thoroughbred

      Damn Laikastes… You and I are in the same boat. I bailed out 12 years ago and have been living overseas since. Also had children late in life and get depressed thinking about the complete shit show we’re leaving them. I was also a civic-minded sort and lived in DC – the belly of the beast – until I could no longer tolerate the horror.

      I tell my kids that I’m truly sorry previous generations fucked it all up, but it’s going to be up to them to pick up the pieces. From a civic-minded perspective there is no point trying to change the current dynamic at a national level. It’s too ingrained, bureaucratic and unwieldy. The best future generations can do is rebuild at a local level. Move to a small community (even abroad) and surround yourselves with decent-minded folks. Kind of like what the Amish have done. Think rural, the more rural the better. And stay the hell out of the cities. Learn valuable skills – how to farm, animal husbandry, etc. Stay very low on the radar.

      I’ve kind of concluded that the best I can hope for my children is a simpler, more traditional, rural life. That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 8:48 am Father Thyme

      Talking of Brazilification…

      Brazil (2/10) Movie CLIP – Plastic Surgery (1985) HD
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnx95KyQEAA

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 9:11 am oink

      No.

      I am not capitulating.

      Jesus Saves.

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  44. on July 7, 2015 at 11:27 pm walawala

    @YaReally HABD, others…. Help a playa out… A girl I was banging comes back. HB8… after some back and forth about meeting up, she texts:

    “Are you seeing other women?”

    How to respond? The “always room for one more in my harem” cocky-funny won’t work here.

    How to position this authentically or reframe it? No way I would want a gf…not interested in that. Could easily let her go. But she wants a reason to stay.

    What is that reason to stay?

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    • on July 7, 2015 at 11:45 pm Mr Meaner

      I get this one a whole a lot – absurdist humour works a treat here (sort of a variation on agree and amplify).

      My go-to line is:

      “You’re only the 657th girl I’ve seen this week.”

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      • on July 7, 2015 at 11:49 pm Mr Meaner

        And don’t go with the harem line. It’s not amplified enough, and will scare her off. She doesn’t want to have to consciously rationalize that you have a harem.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:21 am Culum Struan

        Wala – EXACTLY what Meaner said. I get this occasionally. My usual response is “hundreds :)” and change the subject. Her actions will tell you if it worked. I tried “dozens” instead and one girl almost believed it so you need to exaggerate off the charts (all this by text).

        You could also tell her something along the lines of “I am not looking for a relationship..I enjoy spending time with you..it’s not just about sex, but you’re not my girlfriend”. As long as you make it clear that you’re not promising monogamy, her hamster can fill in the rest. However, I’ve only given that speech once and it was in person – I think it may come across too qualifying by text.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:22 am Culum Struan

        Wala – EXACTLY what Meaner said. I get this occasionally. My usual response is “hundreds :)” and changing the subject. Her reponse will tell you if it worked. I tried “dozens” instead and one girl almost believed it so you need to exaggerate off the charts (all this by text).

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:23 am Culum Struan

        You could also say something like “I am not looking for a relationship..I enjoy spending time with you..it’s not just about sex, but you’re not my girlfriend”. As long as you make it clear that you don’t do monogamy, her hamster can fill in the rest. However, I’ve only given that speech once and it was in person – I think it may come across too qualifying by text.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 1:24 am Culum Struan

        Second short comment in mod to Wala

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:05 am walawala

        I replied with: “TONSSSSSSSSS….so many I lost count”

        her: “ok, then I won’t bother you…bye”

        Me: I sent a photo of Ted in an inner tube with a beer

        Her: I knew it. I’ve been wasting too much time. Not gonna waste more. Bye”

        Drama queen.

        If I had said “no” she wouldn’t have believed me…you can see where this is just manufacturing excuses to blow me off in her mind…

        I didn’t reply to that last one…

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 2:07 am Culum Struan

        Wala – I think your read is correct. I was just going to post another option. Now too late (although she may yet come back) but you could have just replied with “yes”. No details, no qualification. Then her hamster would have spit out something else and you could have decided a response based on that.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 12:06 pm trav777

      try lying…just say “nah.” or lol.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 5:48 pm kant

      Wala, her response was predictable. Agree and amplify was not the right move here, she needed Comfort / to feel special and you misread the situation / subcomms and gave her uncalibrated Attraction game instead.

      My response to the text would have been to stir up drama, increasing her emotional investment and reframing the situ as her seeming needy and having to qualify: “Is that important to you?”

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 6:22 pm walawala

        @Kant Thanks, i sensed this. When she wrote: “I miss you do you miss me?” I replied with: “I want to see you again.”

        I then suggested meeting up. She said ok and we started talking logistics. Then she shot that text about seeing other women. Classic forebrain/hindbrain conflict.

        This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation…Comfort= more neediness and emotional vampiring….Agree & Amplify= more guilting and shaming…

        She then wrote: “I couldn’t communicate with you so I had to leave”

        Kind of ironic since she reached out to me and said she missed me….

        Either way it was beta bait. Congruency was important. More important is the ability not to get emotionally invested in this exchange and have options.

        Needy girls are a time-suck and always leave me feeling at a loss if I end up playing in their frame.

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      • on July 8, 2015 at 7:29 pm The Other Anonymous

        Don’t answer the question.
        Toe the line of ambiguity.
        She hasn’t earned drama, just yet.

        I’d have replied back with ‘… as if ‘

        as if .. I’d kiss and tell
        as if …I’d tell you
        as if …you gave a shit
        as if … you get to ask me
        as if … I have to explain myself
        as if .. you really need to ask

        … let her fill in the blank.

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:38 am Sentient

        Beta Bait – Beta bait depends on your response… It is a strong signal. and a good opportunity for beta from an Alpha frame.

        from yesterday

        Me: (to W) You are a really good Mom (a little affirmation).
        Her: Yeah but am I a good wife? (pouty face – beta bait).
        Me: Yeah, you are (leaving room into next room – takeaway. Roller coaster going up).
        Me: At least at the moment… (roller coaster at the top)
        Me: Re qualification is coming up though… (roller coaster coming down)
        Her: HA! (an OMG response)
        Me: yup. Every month. Better look sharp…! (roller coaster starts its climb)
        Her: (Laughing) You’re unbelievable (smiling as I come back in and gather a few things, ass slap. Leave again.)

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 10:09 am walawala

        HABD/Sentient thanks for the insights will fill you in on any notable developments.

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 10:15 pm having a bad day

      Wala

      your actual response is just as cocky-funny (and is not really all that exaggerated…at least not enough) as the ‘harem’ response, which you should not use…and both seemed uncalibrated…(which you seem to understand…) = she’s not a drama queen…you just are not ‘hearing’ her…

      it’s hard to tell from the context, but Kant seems right, agree and amplify was not the right move…and his response was a ‘deflection’ which seemed to be better suited…bc it increases her emotional investment…

      what it seems like from the limited info/context is that she is looking for alpha confidence (and Culum’s ‘yes’ with nothing more gets that point) and not the alpha ‘asshole’ (which at some point in the process seems try-hard bc you can’t just ‘be real’ = uncalibrated = not enough rapport (her feeling a special connection with you)…and NOT ‘comfort’ (her feeling trust with you)…per YaReally’s breakdown on the difference many posts ago…

      “Needy girls are a time-suck and always leave me feeling at a loss if I end up playing in their frame.”

      needy girls are the girls that will clean your apartment, make time for booty calls, cook for you and bring their hot friends over for threesomes, in other words the opposite of a time-suck, if you tighten up your game…lol…you just need to figure out why they are ‘needy’ and they are usually going to be telling you that clearly on a subcomm channel…you just need to hear them…

      girls can share, but they don’t like to be second-placed…and it seems like she is looking for a special connection, which doesn’t necessarily mean she wants you to be exclusive (even if that’s what the shit tests look like on the surface)…she might just want to be more than just another hole to you…but that’s harder on YOUR end bc you have to be able to be the iron frame in the velvet interaction = emotional investment from you but it doesn’t change your interaction outcomes for her (i.e. you still see other girls…) and that’s going to get you a LOT of drama upfront as she tests your frame, but ultimately you hook girls harder bc they have HUGH emotional investment in you…AND you get all the benefits…including less drama later on = mLTR/FB/FWB…

      when she comes back and shit tests you again with the ‘seeing other girls?’ test, just ignore what she SAYS and focus on what she MEANS…

      her: are you seeing other girls?/do you miss me?/etc…(her looking for a connection…)
      you: we really have this special connection. (notice the deflection of her frame? and how it addresses her subcomm concern about being used by a playa? and how YOUR frame is all about getting a special connection with her? = dhv…)
      you: I love how you just ‘get me’…it gets me so wet…(see the jedi mind trick here?…lol)(then talk directly to her hindbrain…)
      you: we’re perfect together…we should make thousands of babies…[change subject to meeting up and ignore if she brings it up…just plant the seed…]

      try it and see what happens…

      good luck!

      ps. you don’t have to actually make the babies…lol…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 2:18 am walawala

        @Habd thanks. good insights. I’ll tell you what I did, her reaction and my take. I shot a text: “We have a connection” She replied with: “bad connection, you hurt me, I have no time for people who fk around”.

        Now, after the crazy ex I’ve reduced my drama intake considerably. I’m happy. But, couldn’t let all that go. So I wrote back: “you complain…a lot…it’s not feminine”. her: more guilting and shaming. Me: I can only stand you in small doses…chill out. Be more feminine”

        Left it there…for a while.

        Now, more broadly…this is starting to pan out like the crazy ex: the guilting, the shaming, the “you have a problem” diminishing…in this case I don’t really care because I have a mini harem. Back then…I didn’t so I was reacting to everything….or should I say over-reacting, leading to oneitis, leading eventually to a complete overhaul of my game.

        I’m good now. My inner and outer game are more aligned. The other girls in my mini harem don’t behave like this. If they do, they’re gone. The three who are in rotation…are chill, fun, funny, they do stuff for me, bake, clean up etc, two are in their 20’s one is early 30’s… That’s my focus now. These Cluster B girls…great for a while but they have a half-life of around 4 months then they go off…like an apple in a fat kid’s lunch box…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:12 am having a bad day

        @wala

        i used to have this professor that would say ‘if you want the magic, you have to use the magic words…’

        you: we have a connection

        you with tighter game: we have a special connection

        see the difference? it’s just a calibration issue…using the word ‘special’ implies a greater emotional investment on your part…and raises YOUR value to HER…which leads to her opening up and emotionally investing more…and also more shit testing as she pushes on your frame…lol…but it shouldn’t be anything you can’t handle…

        also, the guilting and shaming is standard FI beta shit testing protocol…lol…she has to run her rolodex before she can ‘submit’ to you…the more solid your frame is and the more you ‘hear’ her on her subcomm channel, the less testing you’ll get…she might be a cluster B, but everything you’ve indicated still seems within ‘normal girls’ specs…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:28 am Sentient

        Awesome breakdown HABD..

        Wala – I think you knew from the get go that this was not going to be a typical situation (hence question obvi)… I think you are ready to transition to next level game though, not view everything through your crazy ex lens… though the reluctance is understandable.

        Game is psychological domination… getting her to DO what YOU want WHEN you want is winning… The Rubik’s Cube… solved…

        Trust your gut, experiment with more nuanced responses and above all keep the script flipped… Just like a really hot girl would to a guy…

        when in doubt, hold a curious defensive posture…

        HER: Are you seeing other girls?
        YOU: We’ll see how you play your cards…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 11:27 am walawala

        @HABD question, how is saying “We have a special connection” not beta? Does this not imply some type of neediness?

        Doesn’t this show too much investment giving her hand?

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 12:15 pm Culum Struan

        Wala, as I understand HABD (and the situation), it’s not beta or needy to give her some comfort and qualify her when you know she’s attracted to you and sees you as high value. That’s not beta – that’s you qualifying her. She sees a high value man and wants to know that she is special to you and not just another hole. Hence that line (nowadays I have started using the line “I knew I liked something about you” on text and in person when a girl does something I like – same principle)

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 12:16 pm having a bad day

        @wala

        ‘we have a special connection’ IS beta…lol…unless you deliver it from your alpha frame (and handle the resulting shit tests), which will increase as she tests your frame again…and again…and again…lol…until she runs her rolodex…this is precisely BC a ‘soft’ alpha is REALLY rare…even MORE so than just a regular alpha stud…with resulting increased ‘chasing’ by girls…

        it’s just like a cold approach. you WANT to draw the shit test (on your terms)…bc then you can handle the test = dhv…and move the process forward…resulting in more testing by her…lol…but that’s GOOD…

        the end of this shit testing rolodex play is that her hindbrain confirms that you are the real deal…and that she MUST get your genetics…lol…all to which leaves you with much more investment from her and a much, MUCH high smv for you (bc you just DEMONSTRATED dhv directly to her hindbrain…lol)…it’s like a ‘reverse beta bait’ situ…you throw out the ‘beta’ and she bites…you handle it = dhv…rinse and repeat until she closes you…lol…

        that’s why i say it’s the iron frame in the velvet interaction (you seem soft (beta) but your frame doesn’t change (alpha))…and why Sentient is right about you bumping up to the next level…

        good luck!

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 12:27 pm having a bad day

        @wala
        @Culum

        also, Culum has it right…it’s the same idea but from her perspective…she wants that connection where she is special to you (note – this is not the same as exclusive)

        so…how is she going to get you to have that with her?…just ask you straight up?…lol…you know girls can’t do that…lol…at least not on the normal conversation comm channel. on subcomms they shout at you…lol…

        you need to be soft enough to ‘let her win you’…through some ‘special’ quality she has…to create that ‘special connection’. it doesn’t get any easier for her than you just TELLING her that that is what you have…lol…but she is still the girl…and needs to run her rolodex (for confirmation for her hindbrain)…

        good luck!

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 12:28 pm having a bad day

        @wala
        @Culum

        another one in mod…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:29 pm YaReally

        “girls can share, but they don’t like to be second-placed”

        Girls are happy being second place if they only ever thought they could be third place. Know what I’m saying? A girl is happy to be promoted but never demoted. That’s why from day one you rule out any possibility of them ever being anything but an ONS, then they “win you over” into being a super casual fuckbuddy. Then they win you over into being a regular fuckbuddy. Then they win you over into being your primary fuckbuddy…secondary to your primary, but happy as fuck to have gotten that far.

        The prob is most guys let the girl feel like a primary then try to demote her to a secondary or lower so she flips her shit cause she’s losing position instead of gaining.

        Gotta set the frame from the start and be willing to lose the pussy at points when she tests your frame by trying to use her pussy to manipulate you.

        @wala
        This chick is using sex as a weapon. Give her commitment and what she wants OR ELSE you’re cut off.

        So she’s done a few things right now:

        1) she’s shown you exactly how her internal blueprint works. You now know that “removing her attention/sex/pleasantness” is her go-to move to get what she wants. She isn’t necessarily officially BPD but that’s BPD behavior. You now know the type of person she is. It’s like if you dated a feminist and she “joked” about making a false rape charge or telling the police you hit her. The fact that that even entered her mind says it’s an option to her.

        2) because of that, she has just ruled herself out as LTR material. Like that’s it. It’s done. She is no longer any possibility for a serious LTR because she’s shown that blueprint and you know where that blueprint leads. Rape accusations (she’s already saying you “hurt” her), suicide attempts to keep you from leaving, etc. she’s shown her hand and it’s “not LTR worthy” cards. There’s no debate. She’s done the equivalent of a girl revealing she has a heroin addiction or 2 kids from different baby daddies. She’s done for LTR consideration

        3) because she’s no longer an LTR candidate, you don’t have to care about appeasing her or winning her over. Just shrug and/or lol and move on. There’s no reason to engage her in a logical debate about who did what because 1) that’s her frame and you’re just falling into it and trying to change her mind not her mood and 2) you no longer WANT her in your life because she’s shown she’s manipulative and potentially dangerous so she doesn’t get the luxury of you giving a fuck if she gives you her attention or not.

        I’m trying to get an overall meta-frame across to you, does it make sense? Her actions to try to get you to chase her by using sex as a weapon and throwing drama at you should CAUSE the reaction of you no longer giving a fuck or having any interest in your connection with her.

        With these ones I don’t agree n amplify and I don’t avoid the question and I don’t logically debate. I turn it around on them. They want drama? Ok here’s some drama:

        Her: “are you seeing other girls?”
        Me: “of course. You haven’t been around in months and I’m ridiculously charming.”
        Her: “great I won’t waste your time then”
        Me: “lol drama queen”
        Her: “no I just get it. I don’t mean anything to you have a nice life”
        Me: “that’s a shame. I liked seeing you. But you know I don’t date girls who bring me drama so best of luck out there”

        It’s not going to make her run over and suck your dick but it’s holding your frame so that she knows 1) her manipulation bullshit won’t work you like her but are perfectly willing to cut her off for her actions and not out of butthurt but you’re specifically blaming her bringing you drama for why she’s made you give no fucks anymore so she understands it’s her not you that’s at fault and 2) that if she wants to be in your life she has to play by your rules and your frame because you won’t break it for her or any girl.

        Then if she decides to smarten up she’s welcome back in (but can now never be considered for LTR material because she’s shown her blueprint is BPD-esque) and if she doesn’t like those terms then she can go grow old and lonely or date some beta chode while she dreams about you fucking her. Either way you get things on your terms or save yourself the drama of dealing with her shit.

        This is hard to do when you’re in scarcity but when you have abundance it’s a lot easier to keep this frame and really is just a simple formula: behave and accept what I’m offering and you can be in my life, if you want more or different go find it elsewhere, and if you’re acting like a brat then you don’t get to be a part of my life, the choice is in your (her) hands.

        Make sense? This is a universal frame for ALL PEOPLE in your life, friends, family, bar buddies, women, etc. so when you have this frame, handling this girl’s drama and ruling her out as LTR material etc becomes self explanatory.

        (I would actually start a HUGE drama fight with her where I accuse her of a bunch of shit and just do what she’s doing to me because that’s funny to me then but I’ve met a lot of crazy bitches over the years so I can play with fire more than I’d recommend guys new to dealing with this shit play with lol)

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 11:30 am having a bad day

        @YaReally

        good analysis…i just wanted to point out that everything you’re talking about is taking place on a subcomm channel – what the girl is communicating to you and what you are communicating back to her…lol…not hard to understand, but more advanced for sure…

        i reread wala’s play by play, and nothing in it seems that far ‘out of spec’…lol…his view/reaction to her would suggest you’re right about her blueprint (but he’s kind of touchy on the bpd potential…lol), but mostly i just think she was getting frustrated bc he wasn’t even letting her try to win him over…

        although you’re right on knowing her blue print being valuable intel, i didn’t get the feeling that she was using attention/sex as a weapon…if anything, she was all about the ASD…and not being able to stop herself…lol…since she threw that up right before meeting up (but i guess that would be consistent with a bpd girl?)…she seemed to be trying to withhold her attention = standard ‘chase me’ play…(i’m not sure how bpd behavior is different than standard rolodex though…?)

        “A girl is happy to be promoted but never demoted.”

        that’s the idea i was trying to get across by ‘second-placed’…even for a ONS. if the girl thinks you are treating her ‘less’ than you usually do with a ONS, she isn’t going to like it…lol…and if she thinks you are giving her a little extra, she’ll feel special…even a ONS…

        my take on wala’s situ is that he’s getting enough ‘abundance’, so he doesn’t put up with girl’s crap anymore, but that he’s still throwing mixed signals (not leading her enough so she knows what to expect/how to fit into his plan), so girls (at least the girl in current situ) are frustrated and having to run her rolodex to try to figure out the situ…

        “The prob is most guys let the girl feel like a primary then try to demote her to a secondary or lower so she flips her shit cause she’s losing position instead of gaining.”

        maybe we should clarify wala’s situ, since he has sooo many girls now…lol…my understanding is that this is the girl that had ‘moved in’ and was keeping stuff at his place and then he kicked her out when she caused drama…(they were boning, he kick her out for bad behavior (which he caused by letting her move in = beta bux signaling…now, she’s back…) that would put her in the demoted category…lol…and she’s trying to get back into his rotation, but he’s not really letting her…although he does want that to happen…lol…not sure how that changes the analysis…bc my brain is starting to hurt…i’m getting pua fatigue…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 11:32 am having a bad day

        YaReally

        stack ate another one…

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    • on July 9, 2015 at 8:30 pm YaReally

      Response in mod. Because it would be silly for it to show up in a timely fashion and be useful to you.

      [CH: i lol’ed]

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  45. on July 8, 2015 at 1:36 am stuttie

    @ wala – “it’s complicated”

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  46. on July 8, 2015 at 2:21 am stuttie

    wala – it was a comfort shit test

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/value-shit-tests-vs-comfort-shit-tests/

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  47. on July 8, 2015 at 7:07 am themanofmystery2

    Obligatory

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 9:28 am mendozatorres

      Very nice! Needed a good laugh to kickstart the day.

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  48. on July 8, 2015 at 8:11 am pair a dice pete

    “searches for “Tinder” peak at 12:30 a.m., searches for porn peak at 1:30 a.m., and almost exactly one hour later, the search term “lonely” hits its peak at 2:30 a.m.”

    lol

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  49. on July 8, 2015 at 8:33 am Kate Minter

    It’s a simple question of sex ratios.

    Play atcha own risk:

    “That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
    And all who heard should see them there,
    And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
    His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
    Weave a circle round him thrice,
    And close your eyes with holy dread,
    For he on honey-dew hath fed,
    And drunk the milk of Paradise.”

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    • on July 8, 2015 at 9:30 am mendozatorres

      She calls out to the man on the street
      ‘Sir, can you help me?
      It’s cold and I’ve nowhere to sleep,
      Is there somewhere you can tell me?’

      He walks on, doesn’t look back
      He pretends he can’t hear her
      Starts to whistle as he crosses the street
      Seems embarrassed to be there

      Oh think twice, it’s another day for you and me in paradise
      Oh think twice, ’cause it’s just another day for you,
      You and me in paradise, think about it

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      • on July 10, 2015 at 5:16 am Kate Minter

        The homeless break my heart. https://themintermonologues.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/on-giving/

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  50. on July 8, 2015 at 8:45 am Father Thyme

    Calhoun found that “rodent utopia” rapidly became “hell.”

    He described the onset of several pathologies: violence and aggression, with rats in the crowded pen “going berserk, attacking females, juveniles and less-active males.” There was also “sexual deviance.” Rats became hypersexual, pursuing females relentlessly even when not in heat.

    The mortality rate among females was extremely high. A large proportion of the population became bisexual, then increasingly homosexual, and finally asexual. There was a breakdown in maternal behavior. Mothers stopped caring for their young, stopped building a nest for them and even began to attack them, resulting in a 96 percent mortality rate in the two crowded pens. Calhoun coined a term—“behavioral sink”—to describe the decay.

    Plumbing the ‘Behavioral Sink’: Medical Historian Examines NIMH Experiments in Crowding. (2008) National Institute of Health Record. Vol. LX, No. 15. nihrecord.od.nih.gov/newsletters/2008/07_25_2008/story1.htm

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  51. on July 8, 2015 at 9:32 am Pimphand

    This is a practical description of r/K strategy

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  52. on July 8, 2015 at 9:34 am PA

    Is this a good time for players? That depeds on the player.

    A few months ago I related and anecdote about how a hijabed woman sat in front of me on the subway, then she got off at a station and her seat was taken by a young swpl hottie. I thought “now that’s an upgrade!” A commenter, as I related the story, provocatively asked which of the two women would make a better wife. My response was “for their respective men, the hijabed one; for me, the hottie unfortunately.”

    Same with player paradises. If you dig a garish mystery meat festival such that I described in my South Beach story above, then you’ve got youself an incipient playah paradise. But if you’re more the vicomte de Valmont sort, you’re wading in a shit-floating pool.

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  53. on July 8, 2015 at 12:31 pm Dr. Fill

    “I don’t know your posting history but I guess posting while Jewish is frowned upon here, regardless of content.”

    All right ‘lil fella, if you are so enamored with the name “Dr. Fill” you can have it. I can see by your postings that you lack imagination, so I will be magnanimous and share with you one tiny morsel of the bountiful cornucopia that is my creative mind.

    You cannot however, suck my dick. Being that you are a simple dullard, and most likely very unpleasant to look at.

    You may know go back to railing about the Juuuuuuuice, and wishing you were someone else.

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  54. on July 8, 2015 at 12:45 pm VRW

    beep boop – must rationalize garish atomized shit hole as paradise

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  55. on July 8, 2015 at 9:36 pm catlady

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  56. on July 9, 2015 at 6:38 am James1

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/sexual-liberation-and-racial-suicide/

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  57. on July 9, 2015 at 7:07 am Great Caesar's Ghost

    When you’re cool, the sun shines on you 24 hours a day.

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  58. on July 9, 2015 at 7:48 am Culum Struan

    YaReally and usual gang

    What is the deal with high-end matchmaking services – in the context of the sexual marketplace I mean? I’m trying to understand what demographics use them (obviously affluent oens) and what the value of their service is?

    See this link as an example (in the next post to avoid triggering mod) – a bunch of women (seem to be all women) charging $25-30k per client and working through referrals etc.

    Am I right in thinking that a lot of their work is for post-Wall career women who are trying to track down a guy who is alpha enough/rich enough for them to “not settle”. Plus possibly, really, really, really beta/blue pill rich guys who believe in romance and aren’t hardened enough to just sponsor girls or have sugar babies?

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    • on July 9, 2015 at 7:49 am Culum Struan

      This page was fascinating – why are all the matchmakers women? How can they charge so much?

      http://www.matchmakersboston.com/#!private-boston-matchmaker-service-prices/c1njj

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 8:20 am Sentient

        This says it all… “She caters to men but women apparently have to pay also a minimum of $100-$250 to meet her male clients. She charged a Boston gentleman $100,000 to do a “casting” call of single women and has 25 year experience.”

        Most of these hot women are not charged…

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    • on July 9, 2015 at 8:19 am Sentient

      They target rich beta guys, which is the vast majority of straight guys with money. Guys who are too scared to approach and say they are too busy etc. Professionals, tech & six figure management guys. It’s a beta bux honey pot for wall approaching ladies…

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      • on July 9, 2015 at 10:38 am Culum Struan

        Lol yes. That same 100k woman specializes in “wealthy men who want a younger woman”, and now that you mention it, another one on the same page says “Women never pay”, but charges 150k to guys for a “nationwide search”.

        I’m actually going to meet one of the women on that page socially – she’s visiting my city and staying with a friend of mine, which is what led me to that page. Gonna be fun to mess with her about taking advantage of lonely rich guys..

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  59. on July 9, 2015 at 1:11 pm thelastoftheonly

    Ha! “tumblrrhea” *mic drop

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  60. on July 9, 2015 at 9:46 pm cptnemo2013

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

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  61. on July 10, 2015 at 2:19 am Are We Living In A Playa’s Paradise? | Tr...

    […] A player’s paradise — aka a cads and tramps society — would have distinguishing features that wouldn’t be found, or wouldn’t be quite as pronounced, in a beta male-ruled — aka dads and damsels — society.  […]

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