A perceptual puzzle. I was idly watching, from a height and a distance that would approximate 80 meters along the hypotenuse, a woman mount a bicycle. She was clothed in long pants and long-sleeve shirt, and wearing a hat. Her face was open for inspection, but at the distance my eyes were trained her features were nothing but a formless conglomeration of four russet blobs — the top, sides, and bottom, meeting in a very vague oval shape, and smeared with fat brush strokes by a drunken painter.
Yet, from that distance and inconclusive physical details, I was able, subconsciously at first and quickly percolating to my conscious consideration, to gauge the bike woman’s age to be in the range between late 40s-mid 50s. When she biked nearer my location, my opinion was confirmed.
I thought, how could I know her age so accurately with such clarity of judgment and such paucity of particulars? What gave it away? I pondered, loosely, the various betrayals, and struck upon multiple hypotheses — the play of ocular shadows, the refraction of light off wrinkled skin, the subtle cues of motion tainted by a distressed body in decline — but could not settle upon a winning giveaway.
Our ability to accurately discern age from a parsec must rank up there with the wickedest riddles of human perception. We must have this ability for a reason. A very, very good reason. #ThreatAssessment #RottenEggs
Update
A commenter mentioned weight being the dead (weight) giveaway. While it’s true people tend to fatten up with age (until at a great age when they start to lose weight), in this case the woman was slender and shapely (as far as that can be determined under concealment). So while weight can cue age, I think it is not the sole, nor even a major aid to our perception of a person’s years on earth. There is something more profound signaling to us the walk of time over a stranger’s facescape.

I have noticed that weight plays a huge part. You can see a girl from the back who is fit and trim and 50 yrs old, and be interested (until you see the face)
Whereas you can have someone be fat and dumpy at a distance, and speculate their age as rather old / middle-aged, only to find out that they are actually young, but the dumpy fatness makes them look like Archie Bunker from a distance.
One way or another, weight is key to this. Thin looks young, fat looks old.
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Dumpy and fat is just fine for one of my ilk (as long as she be a white bitch, yo…)
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… thats been butthexed enough to disappear a bicycle seat … yo.
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A perceptual puzzle. She was idly watching, from a height and a distance that would approximate 80 meters along the hypotenuse, da GBFM mount a bicycle. He was clothed in long pants and long-sleeve shirt, and wearing a hat. His butt was open for inspection, but at the distance her eyes were trained his features were nothing but a formless conglomeration of four russet blobs — the top, sides, and bottom, meeting in a very vague oval shape, and smeared with fat brush strokes by a drunken painter, with a hitherto unseen footlong protrusion, like that of a unicorn horn, only it was below his waist.
Yet, from that distance and inconclusive physical details, she was able, subconsciously at first and quickly percolating to her conscious consideration, to gauge the bike man’s cockas to be 12″ to 13″. When he biked nearer her location, her opinion was confirmed, as he splooged in her face.
lozozozo
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Truly you’re the greatest poet of our generation.
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GBFM is Heartiste’s muse. Or Court Fool, I forget which.
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Easy Answer: Millenials [and most Xer/Yers] don’t exercise. Only aging Boomers still exercise. Ergo late 40s / early 50s, and rather slim.
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Likewise with a muscular, slim physique at 49 I have young women notice me from a distance, assuming I’m in their ideal target range based my frame at a distance, they look intently until I’m in range and then often it’s the “fuck, he’s my Dad’s age” look haha
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Do you think women also has this capacity to accurately perceive the age in men?
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they would if age was a critical factor in mate value for women, so no i think they would not.
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i think they do notice it but they have different mate selection criteria so that isn’t necessarily a bad thing. plenty of girls are attracted to older guys because they assume them to be more established, financially stable, etc. and it has nothing to do with how these guys look or how young their bodies are.
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Some do. But it’s less important to them. I was banging a 21 year old for around 6 weeks. I’m 49. That wasn’t an issue for her. In another case, I never told a girl my real age I kept saying 39…it wasn’t an issue until she started to get weird and angry that I wasn’t her bf…then I was “an aging sex addict”.
I rarely tell girls my real age unless they absolutely insist. Now i’m banging a 24 year old and a 29 year old. They just joke and say “Wow for a 70 year old, you’re in great shape”—referencing my joking about my age.
But I’m slim, in shape and look around 10 years younger. It’s more about attitude. The idea of a 49 year old to them is grey hair, potbelly, dad jeans, deck shoes and hunched over. I don’t fit that description at all.
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Precisely.
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Well, if weight is the factor, I ‘d say “No.” 25 y.o. co-worker upon first meeting me, tells a third party I am a cool 37ish guy. I am fat, gray-haired and 53. But I’ll own the cool. Much laughter ensued.
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To a first approximation, this doesn’t seem to be an important evolutionary adaptation. Unless you believe the spooky action-at-a-distance principle of quantum entanglement to be a bad muh dik joke.heh.
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Maybe it’s how they move at that age.
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Here’s a heuristic I’ve noticed – you can tell if a woman is going to have a pretty face simply by looking at her from behind – hair and posterior specifically.
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true. usually people will have several good traits instead of just one. that’s why comedies will sometimes show a girl with a smokin body and then shock you with an ugly face as she turns around. it wouldn’t be so funny if it was something we saw every day.
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Disagree strongly. You’ve never seen a butter face with a tight ass from behind, only to find a (sometimes really gross, like bad acne) butter face? I’ve seen many, especially if you raise your standards like Shallow Hal and call anything less than Gwenneth Paltrow not hot enough. I respect semi-butter faces who are 6s or 7s. Not their fault the face God gave them, but they ate right and exercised to earn a hard body. Good for them. These women are often the sweetest and best women, in my opinion. The women who deserve scorn, getting a bit OT, are the ones who were blessed with a pretty face who never exercise, think they are a 10, and need to lose 15 pounds and firm up.
I’m not talking about the other thing alluded to here — slight disagreement with what some are saying CH is saying. Finding a truly sexy ass/body in an old woman (50 or older) is rare. Even thin ones are usually “off” in some way (don’t look good in a bikini) — too thin but not youthful, no ass at all–bony grandma butt, not quite the right shape, if you can see skin, veins, of course. Not their fault. It’s just nature. A 50 year old woman is not a sex object. At that age, according to the law of nature, she should have several children and a grandchild or two.
As has been written here in other contexts, what’s sexually attractive to a man is a woman appropriate for creating healthy babies. One factor is age, so what we find most sexy is a woman who looks like she’s between 17 and 29 (admitting that sexy women can still look like they are 29 until about age 34, after which it starts to go downhill fast).
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There was an article published already , concluding 22 as the age most sought after. I’d label age brackets as 17-22 being the apex, 23-25 alpha zone, 26-29 greater beta territory, 29-34 beta region, the gray zone of fog with nearing wall impact ; 35+ irrelevant unless you are in 50s
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I just don’t understand the attraction to teenagers? I would agree more with CH in that the high SMV’s come mainly from the 22-25 age bracket.
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“I just don’t understand the attraction to teenagers”
that’s because you never had a freshly shaved 15 year old swede suck her juices off your manhood before guiding it back inside her
it’s all downhill after that
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^ Mild disagreement…saw what looked like a mid 20s blonde in the department store last weekend…wearing Capris and showing off knockout legs, ass and waist.
However, the frontal view was a major disappointment…her nose pointed down, her face sagged and looked frowny. She instantly looked 10+ years older and like she’d hit the Wall with a splat. Dr. Christian Troy, call your office!
So, if hot from behind…probably 2 out of 3 hot up front, 1 out of 3 not.
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did you say hot from behind?
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A woman’s pelvis spreads out after the age of 20, kids or not.
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That ain’t necessarily so. Mrs. Gamer still has small hips and it’s been a long time since she saw 20.
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Whether or not there is actually a correlation between a good face and a nice ass, is a good question. The conventional wisdom is that there is, right? but i don’t know that i agree with that. Perhaps people see a good face, or a nice ass, and are inclined to look at the other with more sympathy.
Somewhat relatedly, i have heard that intelligence correlates with good looks, but again, but there too i am skeptical. First of all the people doing the study are smarter than average, but secondly, it kind of goes against common sense: there is the stereotype of the “dumb jock” but also it seems like people need to have a certain amount of quality, and whether it be in looks or talent or intelligence, it adds up to an average. On the other hand that is sort of simplistic, because “looks” is what can be intuitively assessed about intelligence and talent (of whatever sort).
But on the question of a nice ass, two chicks i did not screw in HS had nice asses but were mocked for their faces; they were also both very smart and had some talent. One of whom was good for some rubbing up on, but she shied out (and so did i); the other had a 3 face and a 7 or 8 bod, and weirdly enough was the daughter of an important person (on the local scene), and it is her i regret missing the chance with: very blonde and a great name. (High school, yeah, i know.)
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Here in Ukraine they can be deceiving but the skin always gives it away. If you’re looking at a woman from behind and you’re unsure, have a peak at the skin at her elbows. Dead giveaway.
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Neck skin can’t be lifted by cosmetic surgery. Also, as you pointed out, hands give out quite a lot, and crow feet as well. Greetings from Slovakia
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Hands too!
Nothing says “old” like fat, puffy fingers, covered with leathery wrinkled skin with with age spots, enveloping their rings: Granny Hands. They can be spotted from behind as well.
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But CH couldn’t have seen any of that at a distance.
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YES. The elbows are always the giveaway, facelifts be damned.
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An explanation would probably include the reason for the elusive “love at first sight”.
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I guess it needs a Star of David on it.
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Posting photos of personal items is strongly discouraged, Zombie.
Double your dosage and quarter your comments.
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I think Cap’n Obvious wins this round… strong combo answered by a mere jab.
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dose it come in white?
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i think part of it could be motion/clothes/bike itself, but i think the immediate gut reason is skin
i was at the beach the other day at probably about the same distance as the post, and i was in a similar situation, except i was wondering how do i know that chick is hot and young and not some sheryl crowe mirage at a distance
it was the skin. no matter which way she turned, it glowed evenly, smoothly, beautifully. there are thin older ladies with the same silhouette she had, but they do not reflect the light the way a flower in bloom does
i thought to myself ‘man i should have shaved up today’ and did nothing about her
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There was a girl at the beach yesterday, was she ever white. It was unbelievable that she would wear a transparent bikini bottom and still come across as a good girl (sort of, by today’s standards). I was a ways away, and so comfortable staring. Her body type was Irish: sort of of “hippy” (as they used to say), with butt cheeks like “two bulldogs in a sack”. But she was there unaccompanied. Wow these poor suburban girls are so unhappy. They lie there on the beach just sullen.
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I have been pondering this riddle as of late as well.
There must be some serious sub-conscious computer power in a man’s lizard brain being channelled towards discerning female age very quickly. I can generally tell 9 times out of 10 the girl’s age within a year or two based on the flimsiest of details.
What’s maddening is trying to figure out consciously what your sub-consciousness automatically sees. Are her nasolabial folds a little more distinct? Is her skin a little rougher? Are her pores a 1/4mm wider? Does her skin sag 1/2mm more, thereby correlating with females of XX age possessing the same attribute? Is her hair just a tad thinner and not as shiny? I can never figure out what my sub-consciousness sees clear as day, and it frustrates me to no end.
It’s clearly in the face that men can discern age. I see heifers constantly whose grotesque bodies make my grandma look like the Homecoming Queen, but can instantly tell their young age based on their face.
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In my experience, as guessing age, and being guessed, I would have to chalk it up to movement. After I #rekt my back new acquaintances I met started consistently putting my age up another 5-10 years than did the people I had met earlier. On the other hand, one woman I met was a dancer and I had her pegged for way younger than she actually was.
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Off topic. Feminist shrike hits wall. Cognitive dissonance ensues.
http://www.donotlink.com/framed?746296
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I’m gonna fuck her daughter up the ass in 13 years
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You are the very model of a modern major general (with many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse)!
Is this JV related? I hear she isn’t getting as many catcalls anymore. I wonder how she’d feel about duck calls. *crosseyes*
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Why does your owner continue to let you post here
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Why hasn’t he knocked her up yet?
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Pinafore rape!
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Aw, hell… I meant Penzance… :embarrassed:
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Another article–is it parody?–that begs Heartistian response.
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People move differently with age, and while an older woman may be in shape, she’s still shaped differently than she was at 20. And she dresses differently.
I’m looking at a girl 150 yards away out my office window. 23 at most, but I bet she’s closer to 18. No older woman has that innocently happy walk. There goes another: 30ish. She has to try to take herself seriously now. She’s trying.
It’s mostly in the way they move. If you’re a healthy normal male, your targeting labiadar can lock onto the dewey pink rosebuds at a distance an eagle would envy.
[CH: “labiadar” *thumbs up*]
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The only two things in life
that make it worth living
Is guitars that tune good
and firm-feeling women.
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“A can of malt liquor, a bag of doritos and a ‘curvy’ white chick”
FTFY
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CH,
Your ability to see age is normal, for any sharp observer.
See:
The Effects of Aging
http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00191
Everything in bold listed below from that link’s list is readily ascertained at a glance.
Aging Muscles:
• As muscles age, they begin to shrink and lose mass. This is a natural process, but a sedentary lifestyle can accelerate it.
• The number and size of muscle fibers also decrease. Thus, it takes muscles longer to respond in our 50s than they did in our 20s.
• The water content of tendons, the cord-like tissues that attach muscles to bones, decreases as we age. This makes the tissues stiffer and less able to tolerate stress.
• Handgrip strength decreases, making it more difficult to accomplish routine activities such as opening a jar or turning a key.
• The heart muscle becomes less able to propel large quantities of blood quickly to the body. We tire more quickly and take longer to recover.
• The body’s metabolic rate (how quickly the body converts food into energy) slows. This can lead to obesity and an increase in “bad” cholesterol levels.
Aging Bones
Throughout life, bones constantly change through a process of absorption and formation called “remodeling.” As we age, the balance between bone absorption and bone formation changes, resulting in a loss of bone tissue.
• The mineral content of bones decreases, so that bones become less dense and more fragile.
• As bones lose mass, osteoporosis develops, affecting both women and men. In the spine, osteoporosis can lead to crush fractures of the vertebrae, resulting in a “dowager’s hump.” Osteoporosis is also responsible for almost all hip fractures in older men and women.
• The chemistry of cartilage, which provides cushioning between bones, changes. With less water content, the cartilage becomes more susceptible to stress. As cartilage degenerates, arthritis can develop.
• Ligaments, connective tissues between bones, become less elastic, reducing flexibility.
Aging Joints
• Joint motion becomes more restricted and flexibility decreases with age because of changes in tendons and ligaments.
• As the cushioning cartilage begins to break down from a lifetime of use, joints become inflamed and arthritic.
NB: A thin, fit aged person looks different and moves differently from a thin, fit young person.
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Posed like a true “Herr Doktor”! Many of these markers for old age can be reduced through diet and proper exercise and stretching.
Best exercise for slowing down aging is Olympic lifting and high impact interval training on a stationary bike. Do those on a regular basis, with stretching and some swimming or fast walking thrown in and you can stay in excellent condition, as well as age more slowly.
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But CH was AT A DISTANCE – not up close and personal.
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Just ended a short term fling with an older broad who thought she was a 7, (educated professional), who in reality, might have been a 5.5 thirty years ago. She walks like a cow, shuffling along shoulders slumped, carrying 15+ lbs extra. A couple of views of that and my mild passion—complete with BOD goggles—departed quickly. Yet, she still believes Goerge Clooney is going to divorce that lawcunt of his and knock on her door any day now!
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Which brings me to ask, why did George Clooney marry a 36 year old lawyer? He could have married a woman in the 22-29 year old age bracket instead.
[CH: we’ve been through this before, but thankuNOT for trolling about it yet again.
1. she’s still nearly two decades younger than him
2. strong rumors persist he’s gay and she’s his beard
3. it’s a mistake to presume ultrafamous men don’t have a stable of hot, young mistresses sucking them off every other night.
hth, yet again.]
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Both men AND women can appraise attractiveness in a glance, so it is obvious that they would also be able to accurately guess a person’s age in passing. See the study below:
Humans frequently make real-world decisions based on rapid evaluations of minimal information – for example, should we talk to an attractive stranger at a party? Little is known, however, about how the brain makes rapid evaluations with real and immediate social consequences. To address this question, we scanned participants with FMRI while they viewed photos of individuals that they subsequently met at real-life “speed-dating” events. Neural activity in two areas of dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, paracingulate cortex and rostromedial prefrontal cortex (RMPFC), was predictive of whether each individual would be ultimately pursued for a romantic relationship or rejected. Activity in these areas was attributable to two distinct components of romantic evaluation: either consensus judgments about physical beauty (paracingulate cortex) or individualized preferences based on a partner’s perceived personality (RMPFC). These data identify novel computational roles for these regions of the dorsomedial prefrontal cortex in even very rapid social evaluations. Even a first glance, then, can accurately predict romantic desire, but that glance involves a mix of physical and psychological judgments that depend on specific regions of dorsomedial prefrontal cortex.
Dorsomedial prefrontal cortex mediates rapid evaluations predicting the outcome of romantic interactions
Jeffrey C. Cooper (2012)
There’s another interesting study by Olson and Marshutz(i think) that proved that processing beauty requires very minimal information for both of the sexes. Even when visual acuity is obstructed by light (seeing someone in the dark) or heavily clothed, nearly all subjects were able to accurately guess whether the person was attractive or not. I can’t remember the name of this study, so it escapes me right now but I will post it once I find it.
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My money is on the body language revealing the changes in physiology.
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Probably number 1.
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@ Aeoli Pera – nailed it.
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I think it’s energy level. Even a poised young woman will move discernibly from the slow-moving older forms around her. It’s reaction time, it’s how quickly the eyes move, it’s how quickly their attention span switches gears.
Focus comes with age, and people slow down.
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Jessica Valenti doesn’t like your gaze :
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/20/catcall-culture-feminism-jessica-valenti
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If I ever had sufficient beef to commit murder, I’d definitely leave valenti’s head in the target’s bed a few days prior.
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The last time I saw a smile like that, American Pharoah was heading down the stretch at Belmont.
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Well played, GE!
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Even with a series of tiny thumbnails of head shot images, image less than 40×60 pixels, I can discern with only a few false positives, approximate age… my guess is that ratios play a part, given a 40×60 image has only 2400 pixels.
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Interesting post. Will have to observe and ponder.
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I can now tell a woman’s age by looking at the areas around her eyes and her teeth. Though here in Asia women tend to age better. There are girls in their mid-thirties who can look good. But what gives their age away is a certain bitterness, sarcasm, short-temper.
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“age away is a certain bitterness, sarcasm, short-temper.”
Yep
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Most Asians tend to age very well indeed.
I still have trouble getting an Asian woman’s age right based on their face. My rule of thumb is to make a best guess and then add 6 years.
Their hands, on the other hand so to speak, are a dead giveaway. I almost always get their age exactly just by examining their hands for a couple of seconds.
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Don’t forget the neck and the skin texture present there. A wrinkled, turkey wattle is a dead giveaway that the reaper is gaining.
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Agreed. My roommate last year was from China and when her parents came to visit her, many people mistook the mother for her older sister. That woman must have been well into her 40s.
[CH: yeah but were her tits and ass as flat as her face? they usually are.]
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@ch
I dunno, cause I didn’t pay attention to that. I’m not from China and I still have a ruler shaped body.
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The @$$es of Asian lasses are almost unearthily flat, but there is some variance in oriental b00bosity. I have a sustaining member in the Flat @$$ Society, Division of Large Tracts of Land.
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not totally related but speaking of flat asses…
michael berry posted this the other day. of course there were lots of comments saying he shouldn’t make fun of the girl’s appearance. 906 likes so far and he hasn’t taken it down. pretty funny.
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@Mac
Most White women who have BMIs in the 15-19 range look somewhat like the woman in the photo you posted. WNs have this delusion that if all White women were very thin, they would still retain their T&A. They should look at White upper class women (who are some of the skinniest people in America) and see the truth. For most women, they can have T&A, or a very low BMI, but not both.
[CH: this is patently untrue, unless you’re a black dude whose libido is skewed toward land whales.]
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@ch
You wanna bet?
[CH: you don’t have the swag.]
Go to any elite university and look for the old money White girls.
[oh, so now you’re limiting your demographic to “old money white girls”, whatever the fuck that means. nice goalpost move. do you think i fell off a turnip truck?]
Plenty of them are in the BMI 15-19 range.
[BMI 15 and 16 is underweight. very few girls are under 17 BMI.]
Maybe only 10% of them have D cup boobs. The vast majority of low BMI girls look like this: https://aprilsoperationskinnybitch.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/20111110_skinny_ad_ban_500w.jpg
[no they don’t you lying sophistic shitfaggot. why do you lie so much? are you scum? fact: the vast majority of girls are OVERweight. and of those who are healthy weight, the vast majority fall within the pleasing 17-22 BMI range.]
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@ch
My point wasn’t about how many White females are in the BMI 15-19 range. My point was that the percentage of those whose BMIs are in the range who have large boobs/butt is 10% or less.
[CH: and my point, you disingenuous reptile. is that the numbers of white women with BMIs under 17 is infinitesimal. so, no, contrary to the narrative you’re trying to propagate here, most attractive white women do not look like flat boards.
however, most asian women do! heh.]
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Who can tell, really?
I watched a woman approach me the other day – from 50 feet away she looked like a bombshell – from 10 feet away she looked like a synthetic blonde, clown face with skin you could strike a match on, veiny arms and unsuccessful breasts – teetering along on too high a set of heels. Great silhouette – but up close, an industrial accident.
On the other hand, I see a lot of 35+ women in yoga class that do things with their bodies that’d amaze. They’re not young – and lycra is not their friend – but OMG they own that body. Gives me skin rupturing erections. So – if there’s a choice to be had between some synthetic aberration with perfect ratios – and a woman with a stick figure that can contort so as to grant deepest access – I’ll go with the latter.
This too, I’ve noticed. When a woman hits a peak in both youth and fertility – she’s soon pregnant. Afterwards, those curves disappear – and there’s a boxiness to her body that she never quite bounces back from. Sad that.
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Good stuff
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Good from far, but far from good. Oh, wait, that’s a really old joke.
Wonder why.
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As the (underrated) movie Clueless termed it—
She’s a Monet. Beautiful from across the room, but up close ugly and a mess.
Classic painter and 90’s movie rape!
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I am mightily impressed there, Bubba, with your linguistic virtuosity!
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>>On the other hand, I see a lot of 35+ women in yoga class that
>>do things with their bodies that’d amaze. They’re not young – and
>>lycra is not their friend – but OMG they own that body. Gives me
>>skin rupturing erections.
True that. That has been my recent experience in yoga classes. (You
go to where women are)
Yoga women simply move differently, and that can be seen at a distance.
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At age 72, please allow me to report my findings. The world is overflowing with widows and horny ladies over 50 or so. I don’t do fat, so there’s that.
I agree with many here that, in general, skin tone is the first indicator of age. Yeah, gravity does it’s thing but it doesn’t change the sensation of touching the female body. As Ben Franklin observed, and I can testify, naked from the neck down, they’re pretty much all the same. Assuming good health and careful preservation, of course.
Addressing the author’s perception puzzle, this too, becomes easier to understand and navigate as the man gets older himself. The more you see, the more you can see and judge, even at a glance. The more experience you collect, the more refined and satisfying your experiences will become.
This happens to the older ladies also, however, they’re still women, don’t ever forget that and the lessons learned on this site. Game is in play, all the way, everyday, no matter your age. If you want pussy, that is.
If you’re lucky enough to reach my age in good health, you’ll be delighted and surprised by how willing and able experienced older women can suck a dick.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Field Report
At the HP and finally am able to settle in and focus. Gal(8) walks in who I introduced myself to a couple weeks ago. Saw her a couple times since and we just exchanged glances. This time I waited until she got her drink and then looked at her when she was about to pass. She looked at me and I said hi and then I got up and said I was going to sit with her. She said “alright but I don’t know if there will be room”. I kind of laughed, we found a spot even though I had to move a kids computer. So I started qualifying. Asked why she was bringing strange men into the place all the time. She said they were her brother and business partner and that is it. She was a little worried about me calling them strange and I said I was just kidding. Asked if she was Arabic as I had originally thought but she said she was half Arabic and half Spanish. Apparently she was schooled at a British school in Spain and went to college at Princeton. She basically owns an impressive business with another partner. She said she does not live here and is leaving at the end of the week. I asked for her number to input my phone and she gave me her phone because she did not know the number. I had a hell of a time reading it since the font was so small. Did a failed text to her, then finally a good text. We talked some more and I mentioned about her leaving to Spain at the end of this week. She responded with something about unless something keeps me here. I found myself having to calibrate things as it seemed things were on the verge of fast tracking. I said that we will see each other again before she leaves and she said she will be there everyday. I closed it out by saying give me a hug. She did and liked it.
Let me say that I feel like my original game is coming back. Had an Electro-Dermal Screening (EDS) done last week and sure enough I was dealing with some shit that conventional medicine would of totally misdiagnosed. I can’t stress enough how important your health is when it comes to game.
On a side note I had a 4 approach me and caught an old lady staring at me in the grocery store.lol
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I use my Alphasmart Neo when out and about. You should try it. Women often ask me about it and what I do for a living. “I’m a writer” I say. Great opener. Can get them on ebay for $25 these days.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPZDMjeWF8
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Off topic, but this is an interesting article. Love when the crazies fight the crazies! http://www.weaselzippers.us/229574-moonbat-sees-racism-and-homophobia-in-guardian-feminists-column-on-how-she-misses-catcalls/
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Best insult ever to give a woman:
“She looks good….for her age.”
Mind rape!
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Some women will use my age against me. The women who do this are much younger and ones that I would probably not go out with. “Oh your so old.”
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Tell them, “I won’t hold your inexperience against you.”
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Most aging processes are similar. When someone has acne, it means poor immune/high inflammation. NO ONE finds acne attractive. Collagen is the primary scaffold upon which the body is built, if she has full lips, she probably has strong bones, good arteries. The outside reflects the inside. If she makes good dietary, exercise choices she has delayed wear to her body, much like someone who religiously changes oil in his car.
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Breaking news : “CH sees a fat woman riding a bike”
[CH: she wasn’t fat.]
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Man, I didn’t know gay guys and miserable bridesmaids-but-never-the-bride types hung out here.
#myfriendsaremarried is waiting for you. go there.
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A fine mind can exquisitely dissect the most mundane event. I do it all the time. You?
Burden of boredom borne by blockheads, by The Audacious Epigone
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More Bounce To The Ounce
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I bet you look every inch of 75 CH😂
[CH: every inch of 75 inches, yes.]
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I’m only .1 of 75″. U da mann, CH!
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“MUH DIK”
[CH: context is your friend.]
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Lacks the original host’s wittiness and talent for his detailed flow of words that paint a vivid picture and makes us, the readers, laugh and learn coincidently. But not bad, almost close to this:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/chase-interrupted/
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For a clear example of the effect of a decade on attractive women, see Sin City and its sequel, which were filmed about 10 years apart.
Jessica Alba, Jaime King, and Rosario Dawson reprised their characters and the 2 movies happened in the same timeframe. Yet despite a Hollywood effort to hide the effects of age, their faces and body types obviously changed between the original and its sequel. The actresses were still fit for their age, but their bodies were noticeably thicker and the tight costumes dug into the flesh a little deeper. Their faces changed, too.
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Rosario Dawson=plain minority woman puffed up by the gays of Hollywood as “gorgeous” to try to force that mannish, black-friendly ideal on humans.
Plain woman rape!
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That’s a great point about Jessica Alba. She was once bordering on absolute physical perfection – a genetic masterpiece, in full glory. These days, she’s simply a very attractive “yummy mummy” (as we say in England). In shape? Yes. Pretty/elegant/feminine? Certainly. But from this point onwards, she can only be beautiful “for her age”.
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July 6, 2005, age 24

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January 12, 2006, still age 24

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June 27, 2015, age 35

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She never looked like anything other than an average mischling with a tight body. Genetic masterpiece my ass.
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That Ni66er-fucking, white-hating skank? lol. Jessica alba has always been merely street trash dressed up by hollywood faggots.
get a clue.
pinup rape!
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A genetic rarity, more like it… mystery meat that doesn’t have an overt look of trash… you actually have to study it awhile to see that something is just not “all there” as far as true beauty goes.
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For those hung up on Rosario Dawson and Jessica Alba’s race(s), they can compare Jaime King’s Goldie/Wendy.
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I was blown away by Alba’s diminished shine in the sequel. Same overall structure, no grand signs of aging, but without the fireworks.
She may be trash personally, but a perfect example.
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OT: Y’all ever notice that every sound bite of Obamas has camera shutters clicking away during it? Who’s camera makes a noise like that anymore?
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how come you only caught this when Obama tried to get away with it?
Did you call BS when Lance Armstrong walked on the moon?
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Point of order. I reject the iphone, but I think the pre-set noise for it is a shutter. Drones with phones snapping their pimp in chief.
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I canceled a date with a slim, 29 year old recently. I just can’t get excited for women much older than 25. I wonder how this makes my age feel. Knowing this “lower beta” who wasn’t good enough just a few years ago would rather jerk off and eat a bag of Doritos than date them.
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Jon – if that 29 year old is slim, attractive and a sweetheart, then (assuming you’re in your 30’s) what’s the problem? You could strike gold with that girl.
If you were an alpha, fair enough, go the 23 year olds. But as a self-confessed “lower beta”, what are you playing at?
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Exactly. I’ve noticed that insecure dudes date under 25. Anybody older than that reminds them of the sand in their own hourglass, and they can’t handle the thought.
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lol, faggot within. just lol.
faggot within rape!
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Lol, you’re actually a woman aren’t you.
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Sure, I’m a woman, LOL.
Look: Last fall, I dated three girls under 25 (one was a six-ft-tall beauty), as well as a knockout gorgeous 32-yr-old (I still think about her killer hourglass figure). At this moment, all my plates are in their 30s. I’m even spinning two in their early 40s, which is older than me, because they still look good and are really pleasant to be with. (No joke, a pleasant middle-aged woman does exist, lol.)
My point: Guys in their 40s/50s who date EXCLUSIVELY under 25 usually are either very rich, very handsome, or very insecure. There’s a whole lotta hotties from 25 to 40, particularly if you live in a major city and especially if you go international. I do both.
There’s a minority of men who viciously mock the idea of any vagina over 24 yrs old being worth anybody’s time. Unless you want to marry, that’s ludicrous. Those guys are either blind or unimaginative.
[CH: “mock” is the wrong word to describe the SMP phenomenon of forced settling. but it is a fact that women’s looks are ripest from age 15-25, and decline rapidly thereafter.]
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yeah, these guys do have a point.
not saying you should settle but you gotta be careful passing up the good ones while you’re always looking for someone younger, tighter, hotter. abundance mentality can backfire on you. especially if you’re hoping to settle down and start a family.
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Are there any good ones who want to settle at 29? You’re likely to just get your basic well-hammered slut with the mileage catching up with her. Maybe she even has a kid or two (color?).
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“Are there any good ones who want to settle at 29?”
well yes. far more women will be willing to settle down in their late 20s, 30s and beyond than in their teens and early 20s. and of those girls who will settle down when they are very young, very few of them will stay in a marriage long term. divorce and cheating rates for girls who marry young is very high.
[CH: options = instability. divorce is higher among teen and early 20s marrieds because temptation to hypergamously stray is greater among women in that age bracket. but it’s not the whole story. later marriages that begin in the early 30s have a higher rate of divorce than marriages that begin in the mid- or late-20s.]
“You’re likely to just get your basic well-hammered slut with the mileage catching up with her. Maybe she even has a kid or two (color?).”
true. you will find girls like that. but these days, the young ones are just as experienced…if not moreso. take a girl in her late 20s, 30s, etc. she may have had 5 to 10 partners on average over her lifetime BUT so will most girls in their early 20s these days.
the difference is, the older girl will have acquired those lovers over a longer period of time. maybe a decade or two. some will likely have been men she truly had feelings for. that’s not slutty in my book.
[if a woman has had over 3 lifetime partners, she has exceeded the average for her sex, and therefore qualifies, at least statistically, as a slut.]
but the young ones who manage 5, 10, 20 partners in the short period of time from her teens to early 20s? that’s a problem. they aren’t in love every time they put out for a guy. they are just girls who like attention and instant gratification. not good wife/mother material if you ask me.
[the trick for men is identifying these types of girls early, so that they can be used for sexual gratification and summarily dismissed before real feelings intrude. experience with women helps men identify the femme fatales.]
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@CH: “if a woman has had over 3 lifetime partners, she has exceeded the average for her sex, and therefore qualifies, at least statistically, as a slut.]”
Really? Today? Not challenging you, but asking. You are saying that even today the average woman has 3 or less? I’m not saying it’s right as a matter of being good for civilization, but I thought that number in 2015 is something more like 10 (talking about a 30 year old American woman).
???
[CH: check the chateau archives for the relevant studies and data mining. if you trust GSS self report data, then yes, the mean number of lifetime partners for all american women hovers somewhere around a cock count of three.
also, it’s my contention that there’s a big bifurcation in the partner count for american women, with flyovers clocking in much lower N count than anonymously urban SWPL slut machines.]
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@88 and @CH
ch this time is correct (I disagree with a lot of stuff he says). Married women who are between 18-24 do have really high divorce and adultery rates. This is why I have been advocating that men avoid red-pill and feminist advice. Red-pill men tell other men to marry a girl between 18-24, feminists tell men to marry a woman who is over 30. Both are recipes for disaster. Marry a girl who is between 25-29, if you must marry at all.
[CH: a “red pill” man, if he’s worth the pill he swallowed, will have game and a rich understanding of female behavior, thus somewhat reducing the threat of wifely divorce should he marry a sweet young under-25 minx.
best bet, if you want to play it safe: meet, date and fuck an 18-22 year old woman, then marry her when she hits 26 or so. i mean, if that’s yer thing.]
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(29-17):(29-23) = 2:1
And the more kinky part of her sexual life happened after 23. Few start with anal and threesome, this 29 y.o. is past gangbangs and ready for betabux.
Fuck this gay Earth.
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On topic, on the subject of age: I am happy to report on something I always wondered about. I am 40 years old. I find many women in the 34-35 range to be perfectly hot, sexy, great in bed, sweet, awesome. Sure, I realize they are hoping that I will marry them. I’m talking simply about the sex and their appearance as interpreted by my brain.
The question I answered for myself is whether my standards would loosen up a bit as I aged. They did. It happens, and I thank God for giving us this feature of our brains. When I was 25, I “dated” a 34 year old hard body for about 2 months. I was totally beta and clueless then, but had some confidence and lucked my way into a decent notch count–perhaps I was close to being lower alpha. My buddies all made fun of me because this woman looked old (to a 25 year old man). At the time, banging her for a few months was kind of alpha in a different way IMO — yeah her face looked a bit rough, but she was a super hard body and I was like her “boy toy.” She was great in bed, but her face absolutely looked “old” to me, even though she was probably an 8 when she was 25.
Well, fast forward to now. A 34 year old who is about the same as her, now that I’m 40, looks beautiful (if she is, indeed, beautiful), hot, sexy. Great fun. If she was an 8 at 25, she looks like an 8 to me now, now that I’m 40.
A beautiful woman who takes care of herself can still look to be about 29 or 30 until the age of 34 or 35, perhaps even 38, and be plenty of fun in bed. At least to a 40 year old man who is also fit with very high sex drive. Great times so far this year.
I am hoping that as I age from 40 to 50 (and remain fit), a 34 year old woman just looks better and better and if I have the game to still get them, this will be a fun decade. All I have to do is not get stupid and marry one of them.
[CH: does a man’s standards conveniently “loosen” with age because of a confluence of hindbrain alterations that accompany forty years on this earth, or to psychically accommodate an abbreviated menu of sexual market options?
my take is the latter. evidence? oftentimes when an older man experiences a sudden increase in his SMV — through wealth, fame, or social status — he trades up, sometimes WAY up, for a hotter, tighter, younger lover.
you can practically set your watch to this reality.
similarly, i disbelieve fat men who claim to prefer fat women as lovers. when whomever of those fat men slim down to a recognizably human form they immediately, POST HASTE, grab themselves a slim girlfriend to match.
actions, as always, speak louder than rationalizations.]
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@CH (same anonymous here) — totally agree and I don’t deny it, but the cool thing is that, in my brain, it doesn’t matter. I don’t claim I could ever bother to be with a fattie (porn is better option), but I meant to mention, I have also discovered a whole range of women about age 34 who I would have rejected in the past for being a bit too fat — not obese or even close, but need to lose maybe 10 pounds, thighs just a bit thick to be perfect. But beautiful face — if she lost 10 pounds, she’d be truly hot.
But I don’t disagree with your comment. I will get a 23 year old hard body beautiful perfect HB10, if I can. Of course. In the meantime, I will enjoy the body and face of any 34 year old slightly soft, shapely, pretty, sweet, fun women that I can, too.
My original comment, responding to the kid who claims to find 29 year olds too old, was simply a time lapse field report for the younger folks here: saying that a 50 (or even 40) year old man finds a pretty 34 year old plenty good enough for sex, whereas to a 24 year old man, a 34 year old looks old. I used to be that 24 year old man. I am not claiming to be a fatty fucker; not even close.
From the age of 18 until 39, every woman I was with had what I would call perfect legs, tiny waist, fit arms. I am a leg man. I’m talking FIT women. My notch count is almost decent by beta standards, and not one of them was over 125 pounds (and that’s if they are over 5’8″), and all had great legs that came from exercise (or youth). Some were almost “butter faces” but if they had hard body, that’s my sweet zone.
Well, more and more I am having tons of fun with softer (not fat) women, banging their brains out (the rougher I am with them, the more they fall in love with me lolzolzozlzoz), and I notice that their vajajay feels the same, and if they are pretty, nice boobs, nice view from my vantage point as I’m banging them …. tons of fun. I am legitimately attracted while I’m banging them, having fun, in the moment, feeling great, skin bursting boner as they say.
My only point is that at age 40, a man an legitimately be attracted to a pretty 34 year old, when that same man would have seen that same 34 year old woman as old when the man was 24. Not excuse making for fatty fucking, but I do think that there is a real biological lowering of standards to some extent, and I am thankful for that. In the meantime, if I can up my game enough to get 23 year old hotties in bed, I will happily do so. Not denying that.
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Great comments, anonymous. I’m roughly the same age and have experienced exactly the same things.
Difference is: Looking back on the objectively hottest women of my life (and my notch count is fairly high) … the gold, silver, and bronze medalists have all been 31 years old at the time that I dated them. Weird but true. No need to rationalize their beauty, cuz they were way hotter than any of the <25 yr olds that I've been with. (One was a national print model, and a second one could've easily been.)
Of course, you could argue that I simply don't have the patience for the confused yammering that spews out of the mouth of the average <25 yr old, and you'd probably be right. It's possible I have so far missed out on the very *hottest* (<25 HB10s) women our civilization has to offer because of this impatience. But life is short, and I don't want to waste a minute of my time on flaky, bitchy, or uncooperative princesses who think that their taut youthful skin and high breasts automatically gives them a free pass to misbehave as well as the keys to my hard-earned kingdom.
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Years ago, my downstairs neighbors were meth heads, and I figured the guy to be 60 something. Until I got a good look at him one day, he was talking to me about how someone ran over his dog and he was up In my space and I saw that he was about 32. It was in his eyes and the energy he put off. Hard to describe.
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I see age in the eyes. The stress of life experience is always recorded there. All else can be mitigated but not the eyes.
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he was talking to me about how someone ran over his dog and he was up In my space
You’re a real sweet-heart … if he hadn’t needed consoling – you’d probably have shagged that bad boy.
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Also movement and posture. How a person moves can be the live giveaway most of the time. And btw, I have been walking in the manner of the Alpha Male suggested by CH with more emphasized almost cartoonish movements and the results are just shocking I tell you. Biches be turning their heads from 50 yards away, I shit you not. Now carry on chaps…
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shield your eyes from the “sights” and your soul from the nuked up attention whoring….
http://herself.com/
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The hair loses it’s luster with age and will shine less.
http://www.marieclaire.com/beauty/hair/a282/hair-aging/
Hair care seems to distort things a little. Some 50 + blondes will grab my attention for a split second before I realize the milks gone bad.
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“She never looked like anything other than an average mischling with a tight body. Genetic masterpiece my ass”.
^^ That’s the great thing about freedom; we can have different opinions…and it’s ok 🙂
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Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.
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Not too sure of the answer either, but I think it might have something to do with a man’s uncanny ability to spot a tranny under the same conditions.
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As an older man nearing 60 I can tell you that you simply cannot move as fluidly, easily and effortlessly as you age. I am 6′ tall and 190# in good shape, still working in an active profession where I’m on my feet a lot and helping move patients. But I simply cannot move as gracefully and easily as a younger person. THAT is the tell. A few people can maintain such ability as they age….
dancers etc. But most of us start to suffer degenerative joint changes, balance issues etc. Just as we can tell an older animal from a younger one by the way it moves so to is that judgement made for people.
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Mommy murderer gets the inevitable pussy pass. Let’s all guess what the sentence would have been had she been male?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3169308/Mother-finally-admits-smothering-18-day-old-baby-death-just-15-feeling-guilty-day-52-years.html
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is that website a tabloid or what? I don’t get it.
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What “FDA-approved” substance is not going to be cause this time?
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id put it down to movement. younger women move youthfully. older women move olderly
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…on my dick.
joke rape!
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yep, i’d bet it’s primarily movement.
make no mistake, women size up a man’s value by the way he moves as well. the difference is, while a man can to a certain degree fake alpha swagger til he makes it, an older woman cannot fake the movement of her bubbly energetic estrogen-charged 16 year old self.
mother nature’s a merciless bitch.
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I can’t detect the ages of people from different races. If you’re White, Jewish, or Middle Eastern, then I can easily determine your age. If you’re Black, South Asian, or East Asian, it’s really difficult. If you’re Hispanic, then I just determine age by weight.
I also wish that White people were less prone to facial aging, but if that were actually happen, life would be totally unfair. At least the Colored races have a tendency to look young (if they avoid the weight gain) for a longer period of time.
[CH: whites get a bad rap for quick aging, but there are other races which age worse. i think amerindian women age more poorly than white women. and have you seen a thirty year old aborigine? the bloom of youth leaves the faces of primitives by their 12th birthday.
as for northeast asians, yes, they appear to age slower than all other races, but a significant reason for that perception is the pancake quality of their faces, which softens the shadows of collagen loss and provides fewer nooks for wrinkles to find purchase.
a lot of the problem of premature aging in the northern european-derived White race would solve itself if those whites moved en masse to their northern latitude homelands where the sun can’t do as much violence to sensitive facial skin.]
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I don’t get the “East Asian women age better” meme. Based on my year in Korea, middle class women look like their White age-counterparts, with the same gene and care-influenced wffestsvon their appearance. Working class or rural ajimae look like wraiths.
[CH: i saw a documentary about a peasant chinese laborer and his family. I can’t recall the name of it, but none of those asians looked remotely youthful. they looked like an alien species to this proud viking’s eye, truth be told.]
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@ch
I already live in a northern latitude though. What other ways do White people have to delay facial aging? I feel like healthy diet, exercise, avoiding cigarettes, and avoiding the sun only go so far.
[CH: sun overexposure, cigs and excessive alcohol consumption should be avoided. so should sugars, in whichever form. other than that, hope you inherited a winning genetic hand.]
Here’s a question for the other White commentors on this blog. Can you figure out a Coloured person’s age by looking at their face? (I sure can’t unless they are Jewish or Middle Eastern)
[blacks are tougher for me. but i think this has less to do with phenotypic markers of aging than that common “all look same” perception which presents itself as a mental obstacle rising at the boundary between races.
maybe more importantly, black american women invariably bloat into obese monsters by their mid-20s, and huge balloons of blubber conceal superficial signs of the normal course of aging. (but not in a good way)]
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Black don’t crack. Don’t even try to guess their age. You’ll always be at least a decade off.
I once worked with a young black woman with a boomin’ hourglass figure. Me and the other guys regularly talked sotto voce about what we’d like to do to her. Even if black girls aren’t your thing, she had the universal body type that just makes your crotch throb. You all know the feeling.
She kept a picture of a toddler on her desk. I was thinking single mom. So I started talking to her one afternoon and she mentioned that the toddler is her GRANDSON. I recovered myself and then politely asked her age.
“I’m 54 years old,” she said.
Jaw met floor.
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black american women invariably bloat into obese monsters by their mid-20s
I see lots of trim black women who are 40+ when I’m out dancing. These women are looking to cross over and trim themselves up for Mr. BetaHonkey. I think that obeastization occurs as a cultural 5h1t-test aimed at black men. Maybe obeastization is a Nigerian phenomenon and other tribes tend to be slimmer. Lots of Ethiopian women have killer beauty.
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dermabrasion works for white women; its non invasive and easy to deny
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CH,
Eva Longoria just proved your point in her public whining and photographs of her in her 20’s and 40’s that say she has reason to whine.
See:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3170276/Eva-Longoria-40-yearns-20-year-old-body.html
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I want her 20 yo body, too, smirk.
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CH,
See the following for apples to apples photo-testing of aged hot women versus young ones below —
Babe watch! Brooke Burke, 43, shows off her toned body in a skimpy striped bikini while splashing around the Malibu surf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3179023/Brooke-Burke-43-shows-toned-body-skimpy-striped-bikini-splashing-Malibu-surf.html
Age 43-something Brooke Burke is out on the beach with her 14-year old daughter with both holding the same surf board above their heads.
You can see the age difference in skin texture, especially around the hands, feet, elbows, knees and lower arms, at a glance.
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