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The Incidental Squirt

July 21, 2015 by CH

Thumping, throbbing, pulsing… a sinuous dolphinoid stroke through crisscrossing waves of briny, grinding flesh, arrive at destination: a ramshackle tropic-themed auxiliary bar. I wave, regally, in the vicinity of the bartendress, to order a stiff one. To my left, propped lordotically on a stool, a slim blonde in slimmer dress squeezes a lime wedge into her love potion. She thinks (incorrectly) a stray sour squirt hit me; I feign injury.

Blondie: “Oh, I’m sorry about that!”

Left hand up to left eye, I execute a grimace with great gusto. “Aagh! My eye! It burns.”

She gawks for a beat, I spread two fingers slowly apart, revealing the abstractly-afflicted eye, peering at her with my miraculously and expediently cured vision through the finger gap, smiling with same orb a reprieve from a personal injury lawsuit. I leave the scene, pressed in equal measure by physiological necessity and the advantages of calculated absence. Her friend, almost as attractive, says “bye” loudly as I set off.

The right inflection can flip a “bye” into a “why not stay for a longer ‘hi'”?

Re-trace my dolphin migration, arrive at bathroom to discharge the blowhole. Too many pissers. The walls bulge, Matrix-like, with the teem of testosterone. Zipping and careful to avoid slipping in the slosh of urine accumulating on the floor, I contort my return way through the crowd to the bathroom exit, as a crescendo of primate chest beatings alerts my early warning detection system. A stygian mutant standing in the doorway prognathously bellows, “That’s rude, man. That kinda rude can get a man killed”, at a retreating Topper pretending to ignore the taunt. He repeats his threat in staccato bursts of gumfire three or four (thousand) times, a menacing series of war cries intended to evoke the fear of an inevitable eruption of normalcy into sudden, violent, pitched battle. I raise my arms into a preparatory garrison as I snake around the rapidly intensifying black hole of gravitational incivility.

Escape velocity achieved. One hundred paces between chaos and rapture. Back at dryland Bar Tiki, the blonde, still seated, still smoldering, shifts to make room for my adjacent insertion. I accost her.

“You know I’m practically blind in my right eye now.”

“You mean, your left eye?”

“Oh, yeah, my left eye. Blind as a bat. At least your right side looks good. I hope your left side makes the grade.”

Her face energizes for gratifying combat. She sparkles, I toggle. Everything is gonna be alright.

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  1. on July 21, 2015 at 7:15 am Captain Obvious

    Arnold Schwarzenegger was once on an interview – I think it was Chris Matthews – and Schwarzenegger was acutely aware of which camera was on him at all times [maybe there’s a green light on the “live” camera?] and he got furious that “they” [the Eskimos in the control room] kept shifting the camera angle to his “bad” side – and he called them out on it, right there on live TV.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:21 am Captain Obvious

      Anyway, teasing a chick about which side of her face looks worse [or which of her boobs is slightly smaller, or which thigh has more varicose veins] is taking a big step deep into jerkdom and is starting to fall into the shadow of Dark Triad – on account of the fact that she is going to be acutely aware of this and deeply sensitive about it.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 9:02 am Captain Obvious

        And of course the delivery has to be right – no spergtardish cookbook recitations, no tremors in [or squeaking of] the voice, no hurried cadence, no nervousness or even hesitation – gotta pwn that “Been There, Done That” attitude, which signals to her hindbrain that she won’t be ashamed to be seen with you.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 9:38 am mendozatorres

        I tell them they’ve got clubbed feet. SPLOOSH!

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 12:27 pm Captain Obvious

        If ASD wants to go Dark Triad on the dance floor, then he could try that line.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 10:40 am kfg

      ” . . . maybe there’s a green light on the “live” camera?”

      Red.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 11:45 am stevie tellatruth

        It is red and it’s called a talley

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 12:26 pm Captain Obvious

        Well Schwarzenegger was savvy enough to know EXACTLY what the Eskimos in the control room were doing with the camera angles, and you could tell that he was pretty d@mned p!ssed off about it, and he called them on it – right then and there on live TV. My recollection is that it was in the general timeframe of when he was thinking about running for the Gray Davis vacancy.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 12:39 pm PA

        Calling someone out on passive-aggression is often effective, and a proper time to show a flash of anger rather than amused mastery.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 1:13 pm peckerwood

        eskinmo?

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 1:23 pm Anonymous

        Captain Oblivious has a woody about J E W S. All kinds of code names like ‘tribesmen’, ‘eskimos’, etc. Depending on how his meds are any given day, it can be better or worse. Bottom line though: EVERYTHING bad that happens is part of the J E W I S H plan for master world domination.

        [CH: the eskimo tag is a CH coinage, accurately and justifiably alerting sly readers to the fact that a small subtribe does exert disproportionate influence over the national debate, the national conversation, and the nation’s essence itself, and furthermore has the… chutzpah… to bitch about being called out on it.
        that C.O. borrows this coinage and throws it repeatedly against the padded walls of a lunatic’s cell is in no way to discredit the original intent of the mischievous semantic prank.]

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 1:24 pm peckerwood

        lulz

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 1:41 pm kfg

        “Well Schwarzenegger was savvy enough to know EXACTLY what the Eskimos in the control room were doing with the camera . . .”

        Well of course he was. He’s been a professional poser and movie star for 60 years now.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:33 pm Greg Eliot

        I’m just surprised… well, not really… that the JIDF shills still attempt the old “obsessed lunatic says ‘everything is the fault of the JOOZ!'” shaming language…

        … when it’s balls-ass obvious that they remain cricket-dead on addressing any of the irrefutably righteous call-outs of the tribe on their skullduggery.

        In my book, it should be easy to gainsay the mentally-unbalanced… rather than merely calling them retards.

        Ah, well… shills gonna shill. :duckface

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 3:23 pm Anonymous

        GE, in my experience, the “off your meds again?” sort of a response is essentially reflexive in the Eskimos. I’m not sure who that response works on – the Eskimos must get traction with it from some segment of some particular shkotzim bell curve – but I have long since learned to ignore it. Just keep hammering them with DA TROOF. Relentlessly. Truths upon Truths upon Truths.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 4:53 pm turdtropolis

        Whoah! Did captain obvious just get upgraded to balls-ass obvious?

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 4:53 pm dick ramsey

        And CH restores the much-needed perspective. “C.O. borrows this coinage and throws it repeatedly against the padded walls of a lunatic’s cell” I lol’ed.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:47 pm Anonymous

        “the most important firing at “Meet the Press” may not be Gregory’s but that of his executive producer Rob Yarin, who, NBC announced on Wednesday, will now be assuming other duties on the show… While the anchor is the one asking senators and cabinet secretaries the tough questions, it’s the EP feeding those questions to the anchor’s earpiece…” http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119325/meet-press-executive-producer-key-chuck-todds-success

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:54 pm Anonymous

        Link in mod about how the Eskimo “Executive Producer” feeds the questions, via the ear piece, to the Shegetz/Shiksa useful-idiot talking head on the Sunday morning talk shows. NEVER DOUBT ME – I’ll always be proved right.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 9:17 pm Captain Obvious

        “the most important firing at “Meet the Press” may not be Gregory’s but that of his executive producer Rob Yarin… While the anchor is the one asking senators and cabinet secretaries the tough questions, it’s the EP feeding those questions to the anchor’s earpiece…” http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119325/meet-press-executive-producer-key-chuck-todds-success

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 9:23 pm Captain Obvious

        That article about the Eskimo Rob Yarin was written by the Eskimo Jason Zengerle. EVERYTHING that you see on Eskimo TV – to include the ostensibly spontaneous words coming out of the mouths of the useful-idiot Shegetz and Shiksa personalities – IS COMPLETELY SCRIPTED. As are all camera angles – both flattering and unflattering. None of it is left to chance.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 4:13 am Ripp

        Capn O is correct. At this level of international broadcast where every second airtime has not only an extremely high production cost but an even exponentially higher market value …..everything is calculated and controlled by some agenda.

        Now u might see some not so sophisticated news shows on YouTube where it’s just bad lighting…but u won’t see Arnold or The Donald on some teeny bopper youtube fart cast.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 10:59 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      hey and before da gbfm forget, some good news!!!

      da other nightz da gbfm be grinding in an eliet miamiz beach dance club in cancuun with roosh and heartistsze pickng up hottiesz and a most delightful song came on da sound systemsz!

      so for da duration of da song, da heartsietest, roosh, and GBFM ignored da ladies (just as da ladies will ignore da men) and danced with each other exlusively (though da gbfm did not get a hardon lsostas cockas). but it worked out goodz!

      for it caused massive confusion on da dance floor and panic in da disco, and berofe da song was over, all da hottest girls were grinding on da gbfm, roosh, and hearteitest, both front and back and side, above and below, as da gbfm has not enough cockas for all da pussy thrown at himsz, and even with heartsietsst and rosshes masivees lostsas cockas, its still not enoughtz!

      so when all you churchaisn get done with your dalrokianz game lessons, come join in and help out with yoru lostsas cockasz down in miamaize!!! dalrock can show you the door, but you must be the one to walk through it! zlololzlzlzlzozlz

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 11:53 am anonymous

        primae noctis

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur

        The Talmud in tractate Ketubot discusses what may be done in a situation where a bride must “Have relations first with the Hegemon”.

        Interesting. I wonder if any Christians have read the Old Testament lately. I heard that God likes the smell of burnt flesh, so one must always offer a burnt oxen at the top of the mount once per month.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 12:41 pm Ripp

        Computer txt to speech with Autotune and GBFM lyrics…album of the year.

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  2. on July 21, 2015 at 7:30 am The Incidental Squirt | Neoreactive

    […] By CH […]

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  3. on July 21, 2015 at 7:45 am jacobjamesv

    God, i gotta enhance my english… Too much difficult words for me to grasp this one

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 9:15 am mendozatorres

      Dictionary.com as you read along. Pick a word each day that you don’t know and try to use it at least three times. It’s a start!

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm jacobjamesv

        thanks man

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm Grape Nuts

        I use several “daily word” signups to get gud. I’ll using them more often, that should help even more. Might help shed my CRITICASTER tendencies.

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  4. on July 21, 2015 at 7:55 am The Incidental Squirt | Manosphere.com

    […] The Incidental Squirt […]

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  5. on July 21, 2015 at 8:05 am Laguna Beach Fogey

    Cool story, although I thought the “squirt” in the title was a reference to something totally different.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 9:12 am mendozatorres

      Serious flagrant false advertising. Enjoyable read nonetheless.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 10:19 am BigAl

        Call her a squirter…

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 9:45 am Dali's Clock

      Same. I thought we’d have another purple saguaro-type story.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:26 pm Greg Eliot

      I’m sure some of the more libidinous denizens of the chateau squirted in joyful anticipation.

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  6. on July 21, 2015 at 8:11 am walawala

    This happens in my Latin dance class when a girl steps on my feet accidentally. It’s a great way to move the interaction forward…

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 9:57 am theasdgamer

      This happens in my Salsa dance class when I stick my foot in my mouth accidentally.

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  7. on July 21, 2015 at 9:05 am itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  8. on July 21, 2015 at 9:41 am tspark156

    I had no idea some you guys had been on a night out in Plymouth’s Union Street.

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  9. on July 21, 2015 at 9:50 am The Spirit Within

    dafuq?

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  10. on July 21, 2015 at 9:56 am theasdgamer

    You need to wear a rubber over your head to prevent 5h1t like this.

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  11. on July 21, 2015 at 10:50 am mendozatorres

    Man, I do miss that twitter feed. Missing the Daily Dose of Game tweets!

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:04 pm Anon123

      Same here. Really miss Heartiste’s tweets, since I dont follow any other PUA or anyone else in the manosphere for that matter.

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  12. on July 21, 2015 at 10:57 am Mel Gibson

    Well, did you make her squirt later?

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  13. on July 21, 2015 at 10:59 am Damncrackers

    Why do I think you were in a Jamaican bar? “Dat rude mon! Dat kind o rude get bloodclot moidered. Bop bop!”

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  14. on July 21, 2015 at 11:11 am The Incidental Squirt | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  15. on July 21, 2015 at 11:18 am Maritime Rites

    When the walls bulge with the teem of testosterone, there is probably errant scribbling all over them, and a subdued scent of likely the cheapest cigar(s) found on the planet.

    When in dive bars, greet the ‘why not stay longer for hi’ inflections by slowly ordering another stiff drink, on the rocks, saying nothing, and looking somewhat disapprovingly at one of the sayer’s ears, the first immediate conscious priority being to enjoy your final drink, including about 1/4 of the ice – smoothly, no spillage/dribbling – before the liquid portion is gone.

    Always fixate somewhat sternly on the ear.

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  16. on July 21, 2015 at 11:25 am Rick250

    Hey CH on a similar poetic note, I got into a fight this weekend with a bad dude..a real bully and supreme asshole (interestingly his gf was hot).
    It was escalating all that day..push/pull,..in your face..lots of shit test bullying that everyone but me failed upon as these betas tried to calm him down with logic and niceness.
    (These guys are back at home beating themselves up now, sadly..coulda shoulda woulda..)
    He had wingmen too which made him more cocky.
    In the end there was a strange calm before the storm. I cold cocked him and just after my first punch landed, there was a dead quiet, except for the sound of a girls gasp which was like the only sound made in the world. Then i hit him again good, and then the third hit was already partially blocked by his WK buddies who were on me. In the end, i made it out with some injuries..nothing too bad…cut eye, bruises around the throat and head, kinda pulled back muscle, etc.
    He came at me later with a bat but his buddies stopped him. I wasnt worried. Ive seen that with wild animals in the bush..typical bluff charge.
    I heard he looks bad.lol.

    [CH: 👍 lotsa cold cockas.]

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 1:27 pm Haven M.

      that’s the prob with the lifting, bra. If you’re too bad ass, they’ll just run you over with a car.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 4:51 pm Rick250

        Im just a regular guy. and no they wont. Remember the movie fight club and the scene where guys were trying to get into fights? thats more like reality bra.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:13 pm theasdgamer

        It’s easier to call the Brute Squad. That’s just as impressive as winning a fight. It displays social dominance and the ability to achieve victory through overwhelming betapower. I’ve done the fight, the threat with a club, and calling the Brute Squad. Brute Squad wins hands down. Social dominance DHV. Chat up your neighborhood bouncer.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:15 pm Haven M.

        it’s your story. Guy tried to come at you with a bat. But, we saw on DC metro train what real life is. A guy gets beat to death, no one does nothing. Wasn’t spires 5’5″ or was that the vic?

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm Haven M.

        funny “overwhelming betapower”…you mean rolling 20 deep like a rapper or calling the bouncers?

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 1:42 am Rick

        Had to look up the story. Well now your talking NaggerWorld. Thats different. Id carry a handgun there. Would be an available, on demand “Brute Squad”

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 11:25 am Anonymous

        @asdgamer I’ve been your friend before in high school but I know this “display of DHV”. You must have some dumb ass friends. I’m the Chief of the brute squad and you don’t call me unless it’s justified. I don’t go to battle for just anybody. If my friends are in for an ass whooping that they rightly deserve then they’re going to get it while crying out for me to help them.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:46 pm theasdgamer

        Haven–Yes, both. I had the club when I confronted a stalker. I fought a man in college and ended the fight when I kicked him in the ribs. At a club a man was rough while dancing and ran his partner into my wife. I pushed him, the bouncer confronted me, and I pointed the bouncer at the other man who was drunk. We left rather than chance a fight outside. The bouncer ran interference for me. Mrs. Gamer was suitably impressed with the way I handled the altercation.

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  17. on July 21, 2015 at 12:00 pm whorefinder

    Nobody is a worse white knight beta for white girls than some darkies. Black women complain about this all the time—some black men are so fiending for white pussy, they will give up seats on buses, stick up for unknown women from “playas”, and spend gobs of money on white girls.

    all while the same black men won’t do the same for the sistas.

    of course, the sistas don’t have to deal with what happens when the white girls aren’t interested, and the savage nature of blacks takes hold in a dark back alley or at the door of a hotel room that’s been almost closed in their face…

    interracial rape!

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 12:13 pm Sentient

      Saw this not long ago… In a chill lounge, mid-20’s black dude comes in with 5 solid 8 white girls, mostly blonde… He was dressed well, sport coat etc. He bought them all a drink – POOF! – $100 gone. Was smart enough at least to close out and not leave a tab open. They all hung for that drink and then all left, I suspect he had a car and driver. I DON’T think though these girls had anything to fear, no matter what time of night, from this guy.

      But they will take a free night out.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 12:48 pm Ripp

        maybe he was the driver?

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:25 pm Greg Eliot

        They’d still be whores.

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      • on July 23, 2015 at 9:17 pm GMC

        “They’d still be whores.”

        Hot whores. That you would fuck in a heart beat.

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  18. on July 21, 2015 at 12:05 pm ladydonnalands

    The injured man approach, who knew? Women have used the “drop the pen approach”, it works too. Women have the boob power and that is a fact, Sir. Great story by the way. 🙂

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  19. on July 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm Mac

    OT:

    blake shelton and miranda are divorcing. rumors that she’s cheated more than once and didn’t want to move closer together and start a family. they started dating in 2006. she was 23, he was 30. they married in 2011 and she was quoted as saying, “I’m married to my best friend! Looking forward to a lifetime of laughter and love”

    married to my best friend…the kiss of death.

    [CH: so predictable. memo to male readers: if a wife or girlfriend calls you her “best friend”, start looking for replacement pussy. you’re already pushed halfway out the door.]

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 1:55 pm Haven M.

      wouldn’t have called that. he’s more famous

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:09 pm bull spit

      “she was 23, he was 30.”

      at least he won’t be the one getting her big cheesy butt at 31. can’t wait to see who that sissy will be. peephole magazine will do a profile about how she finally found her soul mate.

      country pop is beyond ghey.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:40 pm JironGhrad

        Do the math again. She’s 33 now.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:20 pm Aurelius

      I ended up breaking up with a cute as fuck girl late last year, partly because she insisted that we could be friends (and 2 or three other matters of importance). I said “we will never be friends as long as we’re fucking and when we’re done, neither of us will want to be friends.” My parting words to her as she pumped her getaway sticks out of my abode were “I told you we couldn’t be friends.” She paused, did not look back and then strode away as I gazed at her delightfully shapely ass.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm theasdgamer

      Mrs. Gamer refers to me as her “Lothario”. I might need to calibrate a little more comfort.

      Miranda has that 1000 c0ck stare going.

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 5:19 pm Haven M.

        probably have to suck a hundred rooms full of dick to get that famous in the first place. What famous girls aren’t that way? I would have thought mega-hots like Upton who just had to show up…

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 11:21 pm Stationarity

      After his stint on The Voice he’s more famous than ever. He should pick up another 23 year old.

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    • on July 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm Haven M.

      why do I hear that whyen I am the one doing the breaking up?

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    • on July 24, 2015 at 2:24 am Alsk

      hey CH, could you elaborate on the last point?

      I met this girl sometime ago (about a year ago) and she was giving me really strong signals. I knew she was living with some guy for a few years and didn’t really bother further.

      Now this girl is very pretty not only for her age (29- eats clean and exercises)and this year she turns the big 30. Last month I randomly saw her on the street and checked her FB page out of curiosity.

      There was a picture with the title ” I just got engaged to my best friend”.

      Reading the comment above makes me wounder if going after “taken ” girls is actually worthwhile in certain cases. What I mean “taken” are girls who are in a “serious” relationship with a guy : live together, have bank accounts together, and probably ate least at some stage planned to get married.

      Looking forward to your wise response 🙂

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  20. on July 21, 2015 at 12:30 pm Cydonia 19.5

    Justifying the unjustifiable … A beta’s suicide note …………..

    http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/07/what-open-marriage-taught-one-man-about-feminism.html

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 1:49 pm Mel Gibson

      I laughed a lot while reading that. What’s lower than a beta, but not quite omega (like Elliot Rodgers)?

      It is a true shame that they have two young children who will be seriously fucked up from a weak father and whore mother.

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  21. on July 21, 2015 at 1:02 pm Ripp

    Great clickbait, CH. I also anticipated I’d be reading about a different type of squirt.

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  22. on July 21, 2015 at 1:56 pm ms00

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/opinion/is-polygamy-next.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0

    the argument is starting

    [CH: i wonder if secretly, beyond the ken of their conscious awareness, leftoid degenerates really want the western enterprise to crumble into dust and take them, blessedly, relievedly, with it to the infinite void, where their overactive feels can finally find peace.]

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm Greg Eliot

      As I’ve often said, the unerring tell of Evil is that, followed to its logical conclusion, it will destroy even itself, as it takes all else down.

      Satan knows he can’t win… yet does he repent?

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 4:32 pm ms00

      “Judge Richard A. Posner of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit rejected a right to plural marriage because it would lead to gender imbalances if “the five wealthiest men have a total of 50 wives.”

      there will be no peace in the void, well… possible for those who are primed for the impending apocalypse (Some men just want to watch the world burn).
      Judge is clearly lost – money does not equal game.

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  23. on July 21, 2015 at 1:56 pm The Judge

    Submissive Asian FOBS squirt easily.

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  24. on July 21, 2015 at 2:01 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

    Pretty funny stuff… attempted shaming article on Trump vis a vis McCain… reads like a campaign ad for Trump…

    Avoid being ground to meal defending American strategic interests in – ahem – Vietnam.

    Party hard with sexy women.

    Make lots of money

    Refuse to rent to people based on race (and common sense).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/20/what-donald-trump-was-up-to-while-john-mccain-was-suffering-as-a-prisoner-of-war/?tid=pm_pop_b

    “He was 21 years old and handsome with a full head of hair. He avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women and outrageous clubs. Most important, he had a job in his father’s real estate company and a brain bursting with money-making ideas that would make him a billionaire.”

    #winning. They just don’t get it. People still love a winner.

    [CH: trump is the brash hedonist this country needs, even if he’s not the hero this country deserves.]

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:06 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

      From high school yearbook

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:27 pm mendozatorres

        Back when men wore slacks and the ladies in dress or skirts. Classy!

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:07 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

      Trump in HERO MODE- for CH

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:19 pm Greg Eliot

      The Daily News in Philly had a cover hit piece, showing Trump in uniform (below) and belittling him for deferments and making fun of his medals.

      Anyone the Daily News goes out of their way to shame on the front page has to be someone worth considering… they’re the most antiWhite yellow-journalism rag on the East Coast… in which no self-respecting fish would allow itself to be wrapped.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:30 pm mendozatorres

      He’s the silent majority. A wealthy player. A Donald Trump.

      (fade to black…cue Hans Zimmer drums!)

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm Greg Eliot

        He’s bad… he’s beautiful… he’s crazy…

        And I know he won’t break the rules… there aren’t any.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 2:34 pm James1

      http://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

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  25. on July 21, 2015 at 2:18 pm martin

    I am glad to hear this but also a little surprised by it. I am glad that there is some semblance of normalcy, which is guys chasing girls and girls going with it. However I have not had the same experience. I must be going after the wrong girls in the wrong places because it seems rare that women are actually by themselves somewhere without any patrol men on duty around them. In some cases I have tried, there have been 4 men to every woman in their group. That might be a subtle hint about something I can’t quite define. For example, in that situation, the girl seemed to be trying to get attention from all the men, she was the center of attention and in control. There would be a lot of walls of break through to get to her.

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  26. on July 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm Haven M.

    is this swayback?

    Sure is awful #Hot in Mexico. pic.twitter.com/XAxYwTRSEw

    — MaxR.S (@Randy_Shannon) July 21, 2015

    oh right…imagine the Mexican version of Miranda Kerr (meaning, Spanish).

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 4:22 pm mendozatorres

      Oopmh! Love it!

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 5:30 pm Mac

      yeah, even the most diehard pasty skin lovers gotta admit that latin women know how to do it right.

      hot bodies on girls who know how to show off their assets. long hair, makeup, always dressed to the nines. even in this day and age, they raise their daughters to wear dresses and skirts and encourage them to cook, be feminine, etc. true even with the latinas here in the states.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 6:31 pm The Other Anonymous

      Holy Guacamole!

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 11:29 am Experienced Father

        >>Holy Guacamole!

        Si!

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  27. on July 21, 2015 at 4:14 pm oink

    Re:Funny, I Don’t See The Muhammed Daily Special

    nor say the Torah of Gomorrah or Moishe’sStaff

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  28. on July 21, 2015 at 4:48 pm Capper

    You forgot to wash your hands.

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  29. on July 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm Culum Struan

    Game Vignette – so little happens yet so much

    In a coffee shop – both baristas are early 20s, blonde HB8s, plus some cute customers (I need to go there more).

    -Barista 1 says “good morning” instead of “good afternoon” – I tease her a bit and she smiling. Then I order, and point to my table..

    -..RIGHT as Barista 2 walks out between me and the table, so that it looks like I’m pointing at her. She stopped dead in her tracks and looked really puzzled for a couple seconds, like a deer caught in the headlights, till she realised what happened.

    -Then she comes up apologising looking sheepish with a big smile saying “it’s been a long day” – I lock eyes and smile and pat her on the shoulder saying something inane about wondering what she did wrong, made her laugh again. If I’d been quicker off the mark, I’d have put my arm around her (she was RIGHT next to me) and teased her about being silly

    -Two minutes later, No 2 brings round my coffee with a big smile and you could SEE the attraction sparkling in the solid EC and a hint of a dance as she walked away in those tight, tiny shorts..

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  30. on July 21, 2015 at 6:41 pm Culum Struan

    YaReally and gang

    FR – my first LJBF since I can’t remember. So many contradictory signals

    1. Early 30s HB7-7.5 brunette pilates instructor – great body. Would have been a hard 8 at 25 and is still attractive. (This is the one who responded well to sending walawala’s lion picture). Good comfort building by WhatsApp and she was very responsive. She’s very “spiritual” and New Agey.

    2. From a sugar site, but very obviously not a gold digger, although there was something on text about “Yes, I need a man..”.

    3. Met for a drink – she’s dressed up with make up – Good Sign.

    4. She says within 2 mins (when I teased her about a big handbag) that she has to leave in about an hour to go stay overnight with a friend. Bad Sign. I’m a bit annoyed – I don’t mind her going somewhere else after like 2 hours but only 1 hour or so with no warning of time constraints is rude (I’d cleared my evening to bang her after all lol).

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 6:43 pm Culum Struan

      5. She walked quickly and I missed the place (a particular shop window) where I usually say she is sexy..then I was just going to do it when she starts complaining about how far we’re walking (we were on the 4th minute of a 5 min walk). I said you can see the bar from here. She literally says she’s too far from her car and needs to leave soon. I stood my ground and said: “I’m going to the bar that’s RIGHT THERE. You can go back to your car if you want or come with me”. I actually saw her shoulders slump a bit and she sighed and gave in. Frame Battle winner: Me. (I have NEVER had a girl complain this is a long walk).

      6. Then I lost the urge to tell her she was sexy and just walked her to the bar with my usual arm guiding on her back.

      7. By this point we had only about 45 mins..convo was okay but didn’t flow easily. I told one of my standard stories (about a cruel but funny practical joke I’d played). She fell into the 10% who didn’t like it (YaReally responded to me about this a few weeks ago and suggested putting her on the defensive). She said “It’s so cruel..not funny, I could never do it blah blah”. I just held frame and went “yeah but it is funny”.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 6:46 pm Culum Struan

      8. Then I pushed her a bit to talk about her work and why she liked it and got her investing for a while and justifying herself a little.

      9. Then she flips into interview mode. It was literally question after question. “Where did you go to college? Grad school? Which years? What kind of work exactly do you do?”. I answered her with a smirk but teased her about conducting an interview, which she smiled at.

      10. We also spent some time with strong EC..I even took my glasses off at one point so she could look at me directly (as I told her). I read her palm and kissed her hand which she laughed at.

      11. Then I moved us to a couch for better kino. She sat on the far end which is not a good sign, but lots of girls do that at first. Some more getting her to invest a bit. I’m talking about stuff I’m passionate about (understanding people, reading body language, people who are really good at this etc) – she’s not very impressed and says maybe people like that are just psychic (she thinks she’s psychic). But conversation flowing better now.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 6:48 pm Culum Struan

      12. At a couple of different points during this (on the couch): I had my arms generally behind her on the couch throughout, touching her shoulder (generally I start there and escalate). After a bit, she said “Don’t do that”. Unlike my previous beta self, I kept my arm right there and went “Why? I *like* it”. She said “I’m uncomfortable”, BUT NOTE: did not move away – sat exactly there and my arm stayed right there (I moved it a minute later to grab my drink then replaced it – no reaction).

      13. More talk, she interviews me some more and I smirk and tease her and then answer. Then she asks “What are you really good at?”. Me (lock eyes and very slowly): “I”m really good at making love”. Absolute silence, she looks at me like she can’t believe me – locked eyes for a good 10 seconds. Then she’s like “How do you know?” Me: “I get a lot of compliments”. Then the dam breaks and she starts laughing – doesn’t stop for a good 10-15 seconds and goes “I never expected you to say something like that”.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:39 pm theasdgamer

        Then she asks “What are you really good at?”.

        Sounds like a script opener for someone to DHV. Std. stuff for interviewing.

        “Giving a girl a good time” is a great response. It gives the Hamster something to chew on. It’s plenty sexual–u don’t need to be more explicit. It opens the door to fantasies. Be ready to follow up by creating a fantasy.

        Then she’s like “How do you know?” Me: “I get a lot of compliments”.

        How about “The neighbors complain about all the girls screaming.” More fodder for the Hamster. How many girls? What does he do?

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm Culum Struan

      14. Then she interviewed me about my dating history and serious relationships and what I did in between..she asks how I got good, I say “practice, like any other skill”. Now when she’s laughing, I take her hand and she says “palm reading again?” I say “No, I just want to hold it” and she pulls it away saying “No, that’s too intimate” (huh). A bit later I say “You need to tell me when you need to leave – you have to leave soon to get across town..let me pay the bill” and I do.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm theasdgamer

        A bit later I say “You need to tell me when you need to leave – you have to leave soon to get across town..let me pay the bill” and I do.

        “You’ll need to leave soon to get back to the convent.”

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:15 pm Culum Struan

      15.Bit later, she says in a “business” kind of tone: “So, what are you looking for?”. I say “I travel a lot and I’m looking for a fun woman to date..I’m not looking for a serious relationship”. She doesn’t say anything to that, but then about 5 min later she goes “To be honest, I think we could be friends maybe but nothing romantic..you are not what I am looking for..”. I locked EC and said “Okay”. I didn’t make the mistake of asking for an explanation. She looked awkward and looked away from me (rare for her – she does a lot of EC) and she continued with a sort of half-laugh “I don’t even like people who drink beer” (I was drinking beer)

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 8:38 pm theasdgamer

        Next!

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      • on July 21, 2015 at 8:52 pm The Other Anonymous

        Sounds like she was working off a script, got to her last bullet point and realized her vag was dry. Somewhere during the interview phase – you needed to bump her off her agenda and start chipping at her emotions.

        Construct a vignette with sumptuous descriptive language – elaborating on details until you have her rapt attention – then go silent .. or change the topic with a business like question. Make her chase the feel.

        “The other night I couldn’t sleep – so I got up and wandered into my backyard to have a smoke .. It was cool out, cooler than the house .. I have this fire ring of old stones – so I lit a camp fire and sat in my adirondack chair …Crickets and tree frogs were really loud – and the wood made a dry popping sound. The smell of wood smoke and fresh cut grass … and I notice this light behind a hill that’s slowly getting brighter – until the full moon rises … I didn’t realize it until you mentioned it but, I’d gone to a psychic once – and she told me that my soul …. What’s your commute like?

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 4:15 am walawala

        Her: “What are you really good at?”

        You: Dodging questions….

        I’ll only add that you need to screen these girls better before meeting them.

        I meet girls online as well. Of the last 5 I met this year, I banged 3 of them on the first meeting, all HB7’s or higher.

        The 4th I made out with, the 5th was a time waster.

        You have to screen on age, receptivity etc. 30+ isn’t up for banging, she wants a man for husband material.

        Screening—get playful from the start. I sexualize early and can give you examples in another post. There are very simple cues you can give to test the waters.

        All her “What are you looking for?” Needs more cool-as-fuck amused mastery. I just had a text exchange with a 29 year old I met online. She asks me this: Me: Not an ONS, but not a gf either….I’ve had some bad experiences…

        Her: starts asking me about them. Eventually she says “I’m not looking for a relationship, easy easy”.

        See how I did that? Got her qualifying by indicating I’m not going to pump and dump but I’m not sure about her…

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      • on July 23, 2015 at 9:25 pm GMC

        Too much touchy/feely on your part. She read you like a book. Plus, your answer to “what are you looking for” should have been “exactly what you are looking for”. Puts her on the defensive.

        “Then she’s like “How do you know?” Me: “I get a lot of compliments”.”

        Too direct. You blew the shit-test.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:16 pm Culum Struan

      16. I said “Okay. You better get going then to get across town”. She said “What? I thought you said “fuck off”??”. I replied “No, I just said you’re getting late so you should go..I’m going to finish my beer, but thank you for your frankness – I like honesty”. She looked very surprised and mumbled something about “It looks strange to walk out by myself” and then she awkwardly patted my thigh and said “goodbye” and left. Telling her to leave felt good

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:18 pm Culum Struan

      17. I’m uncertain. I don’t think it is the “normal” LJBF which is not escalating, having no attraction. My tentative read is that she WAS attracted to me (possibly too much even if there was a BT spike earlier), but it went badly because (a) in 45 mins I didn’t have time to build comfort and qualify her, especially before she dropped the “What are you looking for?” bomb; and (b) more importantly, she is no gold digger, but is early 30s and is FULLY locked into the beta provider hunt and didn’t want to see me again once she realised I wasn’t that (and she may even have lost control of herself with me at some point – ten years ago she’d probably have been REALLY into me). I had a similar question from an older hot single mom MILF last year, but she flipped me from “provider” to “lover” and gave me a BJ in the toilet. In this case that didn’t happen – maybe there wasn’t enough attraction (yet) but I think there just wasn’t enough time to build rapport – maybe if we’d had 3 hours.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:20 pm Culum Struan

        Part 1

        First thanks to CH for approving mine and others’ posts so quickly – the mod is improving again and it makes a huge difference..

        Thanks for the responses – it’s been eye opening.

        I think *if you do online dating at all*, then sugar sites are worth it. The girls are hotter and it’s a lot easier to email and meet up. The downside is having to filter the gold diggers.

        However, the consensus seems to be that sugar isn’t a good idea and I’m taking the advice. As of today, I’m done, until at least next year. I’ll work through my current pipeline and I will do it when I’m travelling. But in my primary city – I’m done. I’ve learned a lot from the last two years of online dating (escalation, texting etc) but it has also come with its share of problems.

        Now I’m going back to cold approach. Watch out for the newbie cold approach FRs soon..

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:23 pm Culum Struan

        Part 2

        LOL at Ripp’s “tap water”. Real turn of phrase there.

        Stuttie/88: No. Nearly all the women will be open to hard cash if it was offered but there is a spectrum from the “cash per meet” types to the ones who basically want to date a better class of guy than the losers they usually date and/or have an older man/successful Mr Big type fantasy. Obviously the goal is to filter the former and go for the latter.

        And plenty of the girls will forget all about the rules if they are attracted to you and want to bang you and stop seeing you as a Provider (the mentality is a lot like picking up strippers at a strip club). The trick is in resetting the frame to No Pay – which is hard to do because of the site you’re on, and then generating attraction. I’ve done it successfully plenty of times, but it’s harder than a normal date (the hardest bit is initially filtering the semipros).

        theasdgamer/walawala/Other Anonymous – Those are really useful tips which I am definitely using next time (esp wala’s “not an ONS, not a relationship” line which succinctly summarizes what I usually say in 3-4 sentences). However, I’m not sure how well they would have worked here in the context of a total gold digger.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm Culum Struan

        Part 3

        YaReally/Sentient – I see now she was a gold digger. When I re-read my own post and then your responses, it’s really clear but I totally didn’t see it. Excellent Girl Game on her part. I’m used to sniffing out the gold diggers but she didn’t have any of the obvious tells (talking about money, asking about money or gifts, or generally talking in any way about what she wanted to get out of things). I think she may have asked once on text what I did for a living but even non-gold diggers ask that so not a red flag. Plus lots of (text) talk about spirituality and New Agey stuff which also reinforced the non-gold digger perception.

        But she seems to live v well for a girl teaching a few pilates classes..

        Sentient – interesting point about going IDGAF and seeing how offended they get as a barometer of their authenticity (so to speak).

        YaReally – Next time I’m using that line (actually I just used it today when a 19 year old 7.5 – second date – told me two hours in advance that she would only have 90 mins – I told her exactly that about meeting another day and it went down great). It sounds like it was a very similar situation to last year’s 40s MILF – both came looking for sugar daddies and lost interest when they found out I was NO PAY, but I had enough attraction with the MILF that I was able to pump her BT and get a BJ in the restroom (I was never able to pin her down for a meet again). But with this one, there wasn’t enough attraction to pull that off..

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm Culum Struan

        Part 3

        YaReally/Sentient – I see now she was a gold digger. When I re-read my own post and then your responses, it’s really clear but I totally didn’t see it. Excellent Girl Game on her part. I’m used to sniffing out the gold diggers but she didn’t have any of the obvious tells (talking about money, asking about money or gifts, or generally talking in any way about what she wanted to get out of things). I think she may have asked once on text what I did for a living but even non-gold diggers ask that so not a red flag. Plus lots of (text) talk about spirituality and New Agey stuff which also reinforced the non-gold digger perception..hm.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:26 pm Culum Struan

        Part 4

        But she seems to live v well for a girl teaching a few pilates classes..

        Sentient – interesting point about going IDGAF and seeing how offended they get as a barometer of their authenticity (so to speak).

        YaReally – Next time I’m using that line (actually I just used it today when a 19 year old 7.5 – second date – told me two hours in advance that she would only have 90 mins – I told her exactly that about meeting another day and it went down great). It sounds like it was a very similar situation to last year’s 40s MILF – both came looking for sugar daddies and lost interest when they found out I was NO PAY, but I had enough attraction with the MILF that I was able to pump her BT and get a BJ in the restroom (I was never able to pin her down for a meet again). But with this one, there wasn’t enough attraction to pull that off..

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 5:26 pm Culum Struan

        (Part 4 in the stack)

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 6:47 pm having a bad day

        @Culum

        i read the whole FR and there were several points you could have spun it into a ‘freebie’…lol…you just missed those windows…but she was definitely a gold digger…very well practiced, too…lol…and just for pedantic thoroughness, we should include the ‘beta bux hunter’ on steroids theory, too… she’s in that age range…she might have been looking to cash out and land a provider…but in a more conscious way than most girls…lol…

        i see that you are giving up the sugar sites, and that’s probably good overall, but spinning a hooker is GREAT practice…lol…and i always recommend stretching your pua chops… spiderman doesn’t fight ordinary criminals…lol…

        but one issue that i see is you NOT seeming to see what is right there in front of you…lol…at least in real time…

        so, answer this bc it’s probably your next red pill choke point (pun intended…lol)…WHY did you think she wasn’t a gold digger? bc this situ comes up in cold approaches also…especially if you are targeting hotter girls…see Sentient’s comment…also, your FRA situ falls into this category, too…not really seeing what’s there…right in front of you…

        just generally, my guess would be that you still have some residual blue pill white knightery floating around your head…lol…but that’s only bc you seem to err on the side of girls being ‘good’…lol…

        also, this…

        “Now what would have been interesting is if when she said she had to leave in an hour, you stood up and walked out totally-non-butthurt saying “That’s alright, we can do this another time when you have more time for me.” like you just expect women to make time for you because that’s what you’re used to.”

        and why didn’t you?…lol…

        bc at the REALLY advanced level (and this is why we know she was a gold digger…) this sets the frame…if you stay = she’s the prize = her frame…regardless of how much game you have, she is still the prize bc you are playing in her frame (chasing her)…now you can MAYBE turn it IF your game is tight enough…and tight ‘enough’ game REQUIRES you to be able to see what’s in front of you…lol…but you would have to spin her and get her to chase you at some point…and that’s why it’s great practice…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 6:48 pm having a bad day

        wow…that popped right out!…lol…good job on the mods, CH…

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      • on July 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm Culum Struan

        Thanks HABD. I’ll still use sugar sites when travelling and I will go back to strip clubs (default option for solo game for me) so will definitely be practicing on pros!

        It’s an interesting point about residual blue pill thinking. You’re certainly right – I believe everyone has a core of basic decency, yes (men and women both), but not sure why that would be inconsistent with red pill?

        I thought she was not a gold digger because she never talked about money or gifts or even ANYTHING about “what was in it for her”. Those are the usual tells, but her tells were more subtle. Plus all the talk about New Age stuff (ie non materialistic) were a smokescreen. Basically her Girl Game was better than mine – but that’s how you learn – from people better than you lol.

        One obvious point I could have turned it around was by walking out when she said she had one hour (or even later in the date). Another one, I could have refused to participate in the interview and not fallen into her frame. Hmm..not sure where else – by the time it came to my “making love” comment probably too late.

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      • on July 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm having a bad day

        @Culum

        “I believe everyone has a core of basic decency, yes (men and women both), but not sure why that would be inconsistent with red pill?”

        most men ARE decent…but women are ‘amoral’ (i think there was a discussion about this topic somewhere in the archives)…and AWALT (some more than others…lol)…decency needs a moral component…and women just don’t have the wiring for that…they love ‘opportunistically’…and if you can’t find the archive, just pop over to MMSL for some actual meat world examples…or talk to any post-divorce-raped good-guy beta provider…

        also, on the ‘meta’ overview…in terms of getting her to chase…your goal should have been (and always should be…) to keep her beyond her imposed time limit (in other words on YOUR time table)…bc then she is ‘chasing’ you bc she stayed past her imposed deadline…so, when you ‘reminded’ her about her having to leave, you put some other dude/her interests/etc. over YOUR interests = beta…(also, white knightish…lol) but i understand the impulse = good guy value set…(i had to get over mine, too)…it was HARD…lol…but necessary…to actually SEE what is right there in front of you…whether it’s a hot pro at the bar…or the ‘good’ churchian wife who is trolling for an affair (like at your conference) or the pilates instructor who was fighting the urge to give in…lol…(Reco had some of those, if irc…lol…)

        opportunities for turning it around = every time her BT spiked (she felt she was losing her frame) and you failed her shit test…sitting on couch, holding her hand, her ljbf comment, her not liking the beer drinkers…lol…these were all her talking her BT down to stay on task…re-read your FR and try to spot these windows, and how to handle the test…think escalation/deflection/agree and amplify…lol…

        also, try for the threesome with the 2 coffee girls…push those boundaries…lol

        @theasdgamer

        those are all the techs you use to spin her to chase mode if you decide to stay in situ…but it’s easier/a better bet to blow it up, knock her off balance and reengage on your time table bc you set and keep the frame going in…but not as valuable in practice turning it around…lol…but hard to know she was that mercenary going in…lol…so, 20/20 hindsight…

        good luck!

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      • on July 23, 2015 at 7:55 pm walawala

        @Culum a few points. By going to a “gold-digger” site you’re already putting yourself in a position where you’re bound to fail—it’s a Dien Bien Phu–you’re in the valley ready to be shelled.

        Avoid these situations that hurt your confidence because there’s no upside. Last year before I started getting good, I would bang a few 6’s off Tinder just to get in the groove instead of crashing and burning with 8’s.

        Now I have the outer game, am now aligning my inner game. I get shut out but it’s less of an issue now. Also, I’m surrounding myself with hotter girls. I have one friend who is married but we do hang once in a while. Girls see this and it improves pre-selection. Girls all have their own imaginations and start to wonder.

        I just had a very embarrassing stalker situation where a girl I was banging posted all sorts of private information about what “liar” I am. Only my crazy ex reacted. Must have triggered some reaction.

        But now my frame is stronger so even in situations where the odds are against me at least i’m not walking into an ambush.

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      • on July 24, 2015 at 6:13 pm Culum Struan

        Walawala – LOL at “Dien Bien Phu” – yes, that’s a huge risk with sugar sites, but I think the trade off can be worth it if you filter the girls right (eg, I had a non-gold digger new bang yesterday from the sugar site – 6.5-7 redhead who wasn’t just into me but even offered to pay for dinner aftwards). I’ve learned a lot in 2 years on them but I’m done with them now for the reasons above – moving to the next phase.

        HABD – You’ve nailed the core issue. I’ve read the Rational Male and agree that women love opportunistically and certainly AWALT. But I do still find it hard to accept exactly what you said – that women in general lack the *capacity* to be decent or moral like men can be. It just doesn’t seem right.

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 7:47 pm YaReally

      @Culum
      Golddigger. She was willing to put up with all that convo kino etc. shit to find out if you’ve got $$$ and want to shower her with it because of her body (which HAS to look good because she’s old as shit and knows she has to keep it good).

      She showed up with the express purpose of gathering intel, not fucking, that’s why she had “other plans” arranged (probably didn’t, or had another dude lined up).

      You dodged enough work/money/arrangement questions that she went “ok, he’s a waste of my time” and pulled the plug. Same as when a stripper is talking to you and you’re blabbing with her and she likes it but you keep dodging the “do you want a dance?” question and she realizes “ok this guy is a dead-end”.

      If you had said like “I’m a bla bla career guy and I’m looking to spoil a girl” she would have gone along with it all but intended to withhold sex till after you paid out and even then would make it difficult to bang her and try to ration sexual favors/attention out for as much $ as possible while she’s ACTUALLY getting railed by some other dude she’s more attracted to. So you would get the reward of paying her rent while some penniless alpha fucker bangs her yoga bod out.

      My guess based on her fully stand-off-ish as-soon-as-she-arrived behavior is that she wasn’t that into your looks to begin with on the sugar site but your profile probably sounds intriguing enough for her to give you a chance if you have $…so when you avoided the $ too much, she pulled the plug because she wasn’t that into your looks.

      She might’ve banged you even without the $ if you were more her type looks-wise in general but not much you can do about that. The key with the not her type thing is her shock that you said the love-making thing…even if she enjoyed the comment, she wasn’t in a receptive state to being seduced at that point and was more likely thinking “that’s completely incongruent with the ATM I planned to milk money out of that I’ve been viewing him as so far”. If you had had solid attraction that would have been a turn-on instead of a wtf to her. Same with the kino etc. She went along with it because she didn’t know for sure that you weren’t a solid bankroll for her.

      Personally I’d say you dodged a bullet. Chick probably has a few sugar daddy betas on the go, may have been going to meet up with another one after her date with you. She knows what she’s doing.

      Now what would have been interesting is if when she said she had to leave in an hour, you stood up and walked out totally-non-butthurt saying “That’s alright, we can do this another time when you have more time for me.” like you just expect women to make time for you because that’s what you’re used to. I bet her head would implode trying to figure THAT one out lol

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 8:29 am Sentient

        “She knows what she’s doing.”

        Yep. She sized you up in 30 seconds as NO PAY.

        1. says she has to leave withing 2 minutes.
        2. complained about walk to bar.
        3. Complained too far from car.

        All in the first 5 minutes. She shows up all dressed and she expects you to be like every other beta chode on pay sites “you look amazing” with your tongue hanging out… when you didn’t it was a huge tell to her.

        “.A bit later, she says in a “now, business” kind of tone: “So, what are you looking for?”

        This is just a direct solicitation for terms. LOL. This is also probably the only honest thing she said all night.

        I don’t know what makes you think she wasn’t a goldigger, she appears to me to be a straight up prostitute. She may have had someone in her car, or come out with her, hence her reluctance to go too far.

        I’d keep off the pay sites if I were you. You can’t run true game because the motives are not true.

        Also she kept the entire interaction in her frame the whole time it seems. Next time if you keep going to these sites, try to just be crazy in self amuse mode and see how far you can push things… the farther you can push them, the more likely they are going to hang on for payment IMO. If they get truly offended, that would be a good sign and then you can dial back and game as normal.

        see my report here for example of just being IDGAF – https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/the-era-of-the-apex-alpha/#comment-639052

        But really I think you sell yourself short playing on these sites. Better Tinder or just sarging.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 8:31 am Sentient

        Culum – in the ether…. Short version. she is a pro, pay sites suck, your better than that, if you persist go total IDGAF gonzo right off the bat.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 10:01 am theasdgamer

        Or just go aloof–chat up some other women even if you’re on a date–or chat up the bartender–or chat up some other men. Flirt with other women. Make her chase. Use preselection. Don’t worry too much about the fact that it’s a “date”. Reframe away from her script. Be fun & flirty; go aloof if she’s insistent about her frame and she’s not showing enough attraction signals. Sexualize, neg if necessary, then find other options.

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 7:01 pm theasdgamer

        habd, did you see my non-nuclear aloofness strategy here? It reframes effectively and uses aloofness and doesn’t force the girl to commit right away. Your suggestion was nuclear.

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  31. on July 21, 2015 at 6:50 pm Culum Struan

    14. Then she interviews me about my dating history and serious relationships and what I did in between them..she asks how I got good, I say “practice, like any other skill”. At this point when she’s laughing, I take her hand and she says “palm reading again?” I say “No, I just want to hold it” and she pulls it away saying “No, that’s too intimate” (HOLDING HANDS is too intimate???). A bit later I say “You need to tell me when you need to leave – you have to leave soon to get across town..let me pay the bill” and I do.

    15.A bit later, she says in a “now, business” kind of tone: “So, what are you looking for?”. I say “I travel a lot and I’m looking for a fun woman to date..I’m not looking for a serious relationship”. She doesn’t say anything to that, but then about 5 min later she goes “To be honest, I think we could be friends maybe but nothing romantic..you are not what I am looking for..”. I locked EC and said “Okay”. I didn’t make the mistake of asking for an explanation. She looked awkward and looked away from me (rare for her – she does a lot of EC) and she continued with a sort of half-laugh “I don’t even like people who drink beer” [I was drinking beer].

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  32. on July 21, 2015 at 6:53 pm Culum Struan

    (She LJFBd me)

    16. I was like “Okay. You better get going then to get across town”. She was like “What? I thought you said “fuck off”??”. I replied “No, I just said you’re getting late so you should go..I’m going to sit here and finish my beer, but thank you for your frankness – I like honesty”. She looked very surprised and mumbled something about “It looks strange to walk out by myself” and then she sort of awkwardly patted my thigh and said “goodbye” and left. It was a great feeling in a way – telling her to leave (politely).

    17. I’m a bit uncertain. I don’t think it is the “normal” LJBF which is the result of not escalating, having no attraction. My tentative read on this one is that she WAS attracted to me (possibly too much even if there was a BT spike earlier), but it went badly because (a) in 45 mins I didn’t have time to build more comfort and qualify her, especially before she dropped the “What are you looking for?” bomb; and (b) more importantly, she is no gold digger, but is in early 30s and is FULLY locked into the beta provider hunt and didn’t want to see me again once she realised I wasn’t that (and she may even have lost control of herself with me at some point – ten years ago she’d probably have been REALLY into me). I had a similar question from an older hot single mom MILF last year, but she re-categorized me from “provider” to “lover” and gave me a BJ in the toilet. In this case that didn’t happen – maybe there wasn’t enough attraction (yet) but I think there just wasn’t enough time to build rapport – if we’d had 3 hours , I may have been able to get the same result there.

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    • on July 22, 2015 at 12:11 pm theasdgamer

      *She looked very surprised and mumbled something about “It looks strange to walk out by myself” *

      Here is where she lost control of the frame. Confusion in her mind. The hindbrain reevaluates your SMV. Reopen in a couple of months.

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    • on July 22, 2015 at 12:14 pm theasdgamer

      *she dropped the “What are you looking for?” bomb*

      I think that the proper response to any bomb is to deflect it and reframe.

      “Wow, u move fast!”

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  33. on July 21, 2015 at 10:51 pm stuttie

    @ Culum – serious question, why even use ‘sugar sites’ to trawl for women? I mean, how was she ‘obviously’ not a golddigger?

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    • on July 21, 2015 at 10:57 pm 88

      yeah, pretty much what i was thinking. the fact that they are on there means they are golddiggers, right? that’s the whole point of those sites, isn’t it?

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 4:20 am Ripp

        …that and women get bombarded with email on any dating site. Even avg looking ones get a crap ton of requests.

        Ur tap water. They go through endless amounts of ok looking dudes who have money in real life let alone from internet.

        Move to cold approach my friend.

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    • on July 24, 2015 at 12:01 pm 10x10

      Some guys are able to get massive success off of the sugar daddy sites. The game is to 1) filter out golddiggers through text 2) find those girls looking for either an older life mentor or a boyfriend in a higher socio-economic class then they usually get 3) defuse all talk of sponsorship and delay it till “later” 4) set up logistics properly and escalate to sex with solid game.

      On Roosh’s forum there is a post that details the experiences of guys running “sugar daddy game”. Some of them were really good at it. I knew a guy in his early 50s who had sex with 30+ hot young girls a year for 4 years straight with these sites. He never paid anything up front except buying dinner. But he did do small things for the girls when in a relationship, so there was some expense. But he had the experience of having sex with girls as young as 18.

      Sugar Daddy sites CAN be gamed. Culum just did not execute well here. IMO, his failure was in the texting stage. One strategy that I have seen that is very successful is to escalate SEXUALLY during text. Start with sex talk then. You also defuse sponsorship talk then too. You escalate via text hard so she knows what is expected of you. Culum, IMO, is running Sugar Daddy game as if it were regular on-line game. It is a totally different species. I have had some success with the Sugar Daddy sites but it is not my primary source of leads. But it is a viable form of game to get younger girls and hotter girls (Sugar Daddy site girls are on average 1-2 points higher than regular on-line.) There is no reason to give it up. Just get better at it.

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  34. on July 22, 2015 at 12:06 am Rum

    Just ask this question. What would the band-members of ZZ Top do in any particular situation???
    You know; that little old band from Texas…
    “Jesus was just allright by me” ; yeah, whatever — but we do not yet live in heaven.

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    • on July 22, 2015 at 5:41 am Sentient

      welcome back Rum

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    • on July 22, 2015 at 11:49 am mendozatorres

      That was The Doobie Bros with “Jesus is just alright with me.”

      (I just wanted to reply cause introspective cat is introspective.)

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      • on July 22, 2015 at 12:20 pm theasdgamer

        After inspection for infection, I respect your feline inflection.

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