Anonymous found himself in what the walking dead would consider an awkward situation, but one which he sees an opportunity to leverage into love.
Need game advice. Buying condoms. Cashier is very cute hard 8. Buying only condoms because I have a sex life and do, in fact, need them. But could always use more plates. I’m 40; she’s 26.
What is my funny opener to the sales clerk ringing up my condoms?
Store is nearly empty. Would be easy to chat her up. Ask her to come help me try them out? Just say “come get coffee with me on your break”? Also I live 3 minutes from here. She’d get the benefit of three orgasms if she’s lucky enough to come with me to my pad.
While not a scenario most men would encounter frequently, and deciding not worth analyzing for its seduction potential, it is amusing and pregnant with much amniotic flirtation, so if you do have the good fortune to slap a box of condoms down in front of a cute cashier, this is the post for you.
My first volley of advice: Don’t be overtly sexual. Condom purchase + lewdness is not the golden tingle ticket for a girl who doesn’t know you from Adam. That isn’t game; that’s the bro clown show.
Try disqualification game instead: “Don’t get your hopes up.”
Or implied preselection game: “Do you guys have a bulk buying policy?”
Or social tension acknowledgement game: “What’s more embarrassing… customers buying condoms or douches?”
Anyhow, I don’t want to hog the microphone. Readers, jump in here and give it your best game. You will be harshly judged and winners featured in a follow-up post.
These things make sex even better right?
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true story:
DA GBFM: does u have two dozen extra magnum magna cum ladue XXXL condomsz? and a phone numberz?
lzozozozolozozooz
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That reply makes me think of Blackbeard and Laudanum. I will hear Robert Newton’s voice from now on whenever I read a GBFM comment.
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O/T GHEY ESKIMO GOP NEOCON CALLS CH A “N@ZI”: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358061
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De fat white bishes don’t like rubbers – they like it raw-dog.
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About a year ago I had this happen to me. I was looking for an automatic register at a grocery store but they didn’t have one. A cute enough girl (19-ish) asked if she could help me. I only had one item – condoms. So I played it off and didn’t mention anything. At the end she smiled and said “have a great night” while laughing and smiling. I could tell she was a bit embarrassed as well. If I didn’t already have one in the bag that night I might have made a pickup/number attempt.
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ALWAYS make a pickup/number attempt. “Here, put your number in my iPhag.” Then test it to make sure that she didn’t give you a fake number.
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actually call it an “iphag” when speaking to the hottie? sounds like a good approach. (not being sarcastic)
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You never want to rest on your Laurels, or your Susans. Strike while the iron is hot , your confidence is high, and you have nothing to lose.
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“amniotic flirtation”—HAHAHA!
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A simple question to test the waters – Do you have any recommendations?
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“I don’t wanna get you pregnant.”
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Lol but for reals maybe, “Excuse me, where’s the fitting room?”
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fitting womb. Fixed it for ya.
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“when I was a kid I used to steal these. from this store. don’t tell anybody.”
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Like.
Poking fun at the situation, getting her to laugh.
The good news in this situation is, if she gives up that number under these pretenses, you are off to the races 🙂
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*Drop condoms*
“If this doesn’t work out, you happen to be a sitter on the side?”
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Thread winnah.
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[…] A Test Of Your Game: A Condom Conundrum […]
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[…] A Test Of Your Game: A Condom Conundrum […]
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The guy who invented these is sort of like a cousin to me
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“Do these come with a protection plan?”
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I’m in a crass mood today: When do you get off? No wait, I’ll figure it out.
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I’ve got my magnum condoms and my wad of hundreds, I’m ready to plow.
– Dr. Mantis Toboggan
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“I’m just on my way to a kids party, I blow them up and make animals out of them…”
When she starts laughing say…I’m a magician I could use an assistant…
Take it from there.
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That really is great humour.
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It’s all in the delivery though. Gotta be spoken like a comic god.
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Slick….very slick!
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Only with the prelubed ones
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Gold. But sort of masculine humour. Also associating kids and condoms could subliminally backfire.
I’d just go with…
“I’m a magician I could use an assistant…”
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LOL. fucking good one.
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Yo, miss… gimme six of those rubbers, and be quick about it.
Don’t you ‘miss’ me!
Okay, gimme seven.
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GE’s the mailman…always delivering.
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He should buy something other than condoms. His joke is going to seem contrived.
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Agreed. A tub of Astroglide and a set of matching towels would be the requisite accessories here.
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Rip the flap off the box and tell her to write her number on it
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Very funny. My second favorite, after walawala’s kids’ party routine.
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Or you could do the first 7 seconds of this clip:
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How much is the extended warranty?
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OT guys but I’ve had a bad run in with a fembot which lives in my building and she is trying to take a restraining order out on me which would mean eviction since we live within 500 ft of each other. Here is who she resembles
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.AEapRH5SGW26npH4aGkLXA&pid=15.1&P=0
She is mad at me because I was giving her boyfriend red pill advice, but she/it told the cops that she was afraid of me and that her poodles growl when we pass in the hall.. A judge will decide if a restraining order is necessary next week since the cops sure didn’t think a restraining order was called for, but they had to file anyway since we live in post patriarch America.
questions:
1)what should I expect at the hearing?
2)anyone else with this experience?
3)will the restraining order take immediate effect, or will I have time to find a new place?
any advice accepted.
Thanks,
Don Pedro
PS The new superintendent is a butch lesbian who lives on premise with her GF and their teen/female half breed.
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fight it tooth and nail. Get a lawyer. It will seriously f**** with your life. Possible ramifications: not being able to own a gun; be a marked man in any future domestic incident or child custody; difficulty finding employment.
I know a woman who drove across four states to fight against a restraining order bought by his Wife in a different state. A nasty move since the restraint was premised on facebook/online contact and not physical being as they lived over 1,000 miles away. Even so, it was a serious matter; the above is the advice the cop gave to the woman when he delivered the summonses. She was represented by a lawyer at the hearing. You have civil rights too. A lawyer will probably save you time and money in the long run; they specialize in these things and you might get a sympathetic one who will cut you a deal.
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Tough call, I’d stand my ground, don’t be a bitch now
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Don Pedro said
good news guys and girls, the judge, older white male, did not grant the protective order.
I did not get a lawyer but I went and sat in on many protective order court sessions to figure out how it would go.
I recommend anyone with a court case to spend time visiting the court house to see how things go.
Thanks for the help though.
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No matter what happens, you’d probably want to move anyway… people can be viciously petty, and things like windshields, tires and paint jobs cost money. When you can’t relax in your own crib, well…
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Another alternative is you could try to an RO or civil suit on her for harassment, or whatever the law will allow… but then again, to do it right, you’d be paying a lawyer and making The System important.
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Listen close to what I’m going to say here: GET A FUCKING LAWYER. NOW. $500 max.
Lawyers are good at laying this shit off, and as long as there is no proof (emails or witnessess) of you being agressive, she will get burned hard.
Use that with building management and have her evicted under the (likely) crime free provision of your lease.
Black knight the SHIT our of the skank.
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along these lines, if money’s an issue, you can i think in any state get a 15 minute referral and phone consult through the state bar. i paid $35 and got invaluable advice for it. you’ll probably still need a lawyer but at least you can have someone you know is legit telling you what step to take next
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Yes, this. And it will also help set you up for having/wanting to move even in the event you win, as you may be able to cite hostile environment and harassment and sue for moving and related expenses, etc.
But in any case, get legal help.
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Seems rather petty and in a reasonable world, you should win easily, but I think you should get a lawyer or some legal help. If you don’t know how to behave in court, it seems like a big gamble to rely on getting a reasonable judge.
In the longer term, you will need to get some payback. If she loses, see if she gets to pay your legal costs and/or gets sanctioned somehow. Or you could see if you can get rid of her dogs for instance. As she has testified herself, they growl at people in confined spaces, sounds like they could attack a child or something. Maybe you can get a mom on your side to complain. See if you can break up her and the boyfriend. See if you can get her publicly drunk and document it. The fembot needs to strongly regret being a bitch. Always keep a file of her crazy behavior, which probably will mount as the fembot programming fails.
I first wrote that in the end she should be begging for peace between you, but after some thought I don’t think that will work. Basically, in the end she’s the one who should be moving out, in the middle of the night because everyone hates her.
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Whew, that felt good. If you can get her evicted Tilikum style, that’s probably easier.
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“If she loses, see if she gets to pay your legal costs and/or gets sanctioned somehow.”
Unfortunately, getting sanctions or fee-shifting for a frivolous restraining order petition will likely be difficult, or end up costing more in fees than you would ultimately recover. This will vary by jurisdiction, but judges tend not to like issuing sanctions against parties; there are statutory privileges that can bar most civil claims for abuse of process / etc.; and the American rule is generally that each side bears its own legal fees unless a specific exception applies.
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Make her truly fear you.
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Don, where are you located? If in SF bay area, CA, I may be able to help. But Tilikum’s “$500 max” won’t go very far — it’d cover representation at the hearing and some prep time, but not any written filings (beyond a basic form answer), research, or follow-up work, which can make a huge difference in the outcome depending on what she files. I’d budget more like $1000-1500 in fees for an effective defense.
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This is why the New Order has to limit the amount of lawyers and what they can charge… and perhaps more important, what will be entertained by the courts…
… even when one is in the right, justice only comes at a price of time and money, often dear.
The lawyers and judges… indeed, everyone involved in the so-called legal system… are motivated only to keep it that way.
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i assumed hearing only.
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> “her poodles growl when we pass in the hall” ———- Congratulations, this is a strong sign of ALPHA on your part. With all of these dogs being raised by single women and/or attached women with Beta male partners, the dogs are not being taught good manners [== “obedience”], and so the dogs run around trying to assert Alpha dominance over all the humans. So in your case, the dogs sense that you are trying to out-Alpha them, and reacting accordinly. Where live, all of the neighborhood pitbulls always LUNGE at me with teeth bared. One of these days, I’m gonna send a pitbull and its owner to the morgue in a couple of body bags.
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“and reacting accordinly” = and are reacting accordingly
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“Where live” = Where I live. F*cking A, I’m exhausted. Can’t even type.
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Are they Eskimo poodles, perchance? You’d never catch a ni66er dead with a shit-ass dawg like that. In the ‘hood we prefer big, tough dogs (like an Alsatian!)
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meh… what this country needs is a good white cigar.
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Get a lawyer, tell them everything, and follow their advice.
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While sporting shit eating grin:
Do you have these in extra small?
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This is a hired gun scenario. Mystery and John Sinn have good products out there for hitting on hired guns. There’s a method to it. Also, Love Systems gives an entire bootcamp dedicated just to gaming Strippers and Hired Guns. Its expensive though.
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Not directly related but I was in a bar when a server walked up to me, bent down and picked up a condom from the floor.
She asked me, “Is this yours?”
I replied, “You need to work on your flirting skills.”
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Plop a box or two of Magnums on to the counter and watch the reaction. Most of the women behind the registers at my local grocery store are middle-aged, but there’s a younger one (5-6) who is absolutely shameless in her flirting.
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I should add, both Peter North and Kobe Bryant shop at this grocery store, so the ladies are probably used to it.
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That’s hilarious.
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This is what I was gonna say, just drop the box of mags in front of her. strong eye contact, slight smirk.
They’re like the jnco jeans of condoms, my baby carrot likes to breathe a bit.
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“there’s a younger one (5-6) ”
“Shocked snigger”
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I know the grocery store as I’ve seen Kobe there on occasion, but Peter North? Ha! Great reference. Had no idea the great man shopped there, as well. Good to know.
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Yeah, he lives nearby, I’ve seen him numerous times there over the years. Always has this smirk on his face. He was a client of an ex-colleague of mine.
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Fellow players i must remain anonymous and not speak in a normal tone, i must speak like if I’m in a movie, lol. But you guys have to understand the harassment and bullying that you will encounter while picking up girls, you have to be prepared to hear strangers laughing at you if you fail, there’s term called gang stalking, its normal in today’s society. the only “purpose” of it is to annoy and bring you down. If you are not cool or “normal”, you might encounter this. So, prepare yourselves men, and ignore those bastards and pick up girls and don’t let “sting operators” “harrasers” “gang stalkers” prevent you from stumbling from success in all areas in life
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wtf?
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Just helping my fellow friends in the Western World, millions of people read the comment sections
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You need some YaReally advice to infiltrate and bust open those groups instead.
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Geez, Louise… when did pulling birds become a task for a CIA operative?
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True Lies (1994).
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Yeah… and he pissed himself in the end.
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“Gang Stalking” is the newest pathology cooked up in the fevered ruminations of the clinically paranoid. I am not making fun of you. Get help.
If anyone here doubts what I am saying , search youtube.
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Put your name on here if you don’t believe in gang stalking my fellow American, all it is is random harrassment from people” with a “purpose” to bring you down. Its very stupid, but like Superman and Batman, one must keep his identity secret to reveal the darkness behind closed doors. Besides learning game, this nonsense makes life a little harder if you aren’t prepared for it. 😉
[CH: paranoia the destroya, or garden variety concern troll?]
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Buy like four packs and confess that you were just released from prison.
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I never went without when I was in the joint…
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Gay
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We call it ‘on the down-low’ in the vibrant neighborhoods.
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This one works on multiple levels.
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Opening with any kind of joke or reference to the condoms might sound funny in an internet comment section but comes off as a bit try hard and corny IRL.
Just game as usual and let the condoms give some built in sexual tension
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Yes, let the condoms speak for themselves.
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They’re rubber, she’s glue…..
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My condoms say “AAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!”
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“Well i guess u dont have to say ‘have a good nite’ to me right?”
“Anyways, question for you.. a girl i know is in love with a guy and she wants to put his name tattoed on her arm..his name is Butch. Im trying to talk her out of it..what do u think?”
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Agreed. Most guys would be awkward about buying condoms from a cute girl. Game as usual and remain unaffected as if they’re no big deal. Because. They. Aren’t. She will notice and your charm will be magnified by your stoicism. Only acknowledge them if she comments on them (which should be interpreted as a shit test). Obviously retort with one of these cool as fuck lines.
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more importantly: “douches”? is CH from across the pond?
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Ha, I walked up the counter at a CVS with a 3-pack of “for her pleasure” condoms and the following ensued:
Her: Do those work?
Me: I hope so, no kids yet
Her: I mean the her pleasure part.
Me: I don’t know
Her: You will have to come back and tell me
All of this while my then FB was right behind me talking to our other friends.
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Tell her “you will have to ask my GF! if you come over for a 3-way, that would be the perfect opportunity!”
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“I mean the pleasure part.”
“Hell, that’s there without ’em”.
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Her pleasure? Thought it was a misprint.
Then again, she was waving you in with a huge pink flag.
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I have a submission for BOTM:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKFBLWaUAAAy90S.jpg:large
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Needs moar context
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“Will these work as party balloons?”
Don’t be afraid to try right there.
Note: doesn’t work well with lubricated condoms.
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“I’m making a diorama of what life was like in the 20th century”
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Reenactment of the Hindenburg crash?
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I’m sorry, a cub reporter in my employ got a hold of my account and posted. He has been summarily fired.
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OT: a shooter at a screening of Trainwreck kills two, himself, and injures many others. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/us/louisiana-theater-shooting/
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The movie is so bad, maybe he could not help himself.
Seriously.
I really doubt he went in there intending to do that.
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I think he chose it on purpose.
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really Kate?
all the way from Alabama?
what is your theory?
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I guess that bitches movie was worse than i expected it to be huh, K8 PeppyMinter?
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@unfortunately your right Rum..he had a history of mental problems
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Why do they put that slippery stuff on these water balloons?
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As a clown it’s so hard to find balloons in my size
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Reservoir, my eye… more like bringing a thimble to a Bucket Brigade.
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Rubber bouncing baby busters… can you say that three times fast?
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Greg Eliot’s comments :
Quantity : Very High
Quality : Very Low
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Snarking at each other here in the sacred halls of le chateau is counterproductive.
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Duly noted, Freddie… thank you for bringing it to my attention.
You fairy.
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Avaunt, thou ill-mannered mofo.
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Avaunt, you small-dicked white trash fairy.
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Avaunt, thou pea-brained Zulu savage.
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Do you have gift wrap?
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^ +100!
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I couldn’t find the extra smalls?
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do you have these in white?
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Truestory @ a Target (a glorious pickup place btw).
“Hey girly, what kind of wine goes best with these?”
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This is easy. Just grab a bunch of bananas to go along with the condoms. If the store has no bananas, then you can ask the female clerk about them.
With bananas: After putting your goods on the counter, pause for a second while contemplating your purchase, look her straight in the eye with a bit of a smirk, and say, “I guess it is pretty ironic, isn’t it.” The clerk should at least smile. Proceed with normal game.
Without bananas: Put the condoms on the counter, pause for a second, look her straight in the eye with mock concern(emphasis on mock), and say, “Do you guys sell bananas too?” As long as you made sure it’s clear you’re joking, the clerk will at least crack a smile. Proceed with normal game.
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Put condoms on counter. Maintain direct eye contact while taking a dump on floor.
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you beast!
lozolozozlozozol
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Add to that: “There’s only one box left and I need a shit load.”
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Cause if you don’t, YaReally will.
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GD it! You made me drop my Habana! Hole in shirt, shite.
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Threadwinner.
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Dude. You owe me a new monitor and keyboard.
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The fact he asked if he should immediately ask her back to his place means he’s on step one of 10 becoming game aware. Talk about a blowout. I would suggest easier targets before you attempt something like the triple lindy of game.
I would pop them down on the counter and remark dismissively (almost shaking my head) it’s like eating a steak with balloon around your tongue.
She may play with you a bit, which is great practice, but the odds you’d cold pick up a counter girl are %.0000001. Just try to get a banter going as a repeat visitor then you can build up to trying something.
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But if you DO pick up said counter girl on the first at bat, I strongly suggest double-wrapping.
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True story
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+5
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“would pop them down on the counter and remark dismissively (almost shaking my head) it’s like eating a steak with balloon around your tongue.”
SHE: “How would you know that?”
uhh…
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ME: Ever been to sizzler?
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The kamikaze gambit: grin faux-sheepishly giggle and say “it’s gonna be my first time.”
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“Or social tension acknowledgement game:”
This, probably.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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*Putting down a box of Maxx* “Do you have anything bigger than these?”
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buy bananas also and say that you need help practicing
I think the winner is from the above; “excuse me, where is the fitting room”
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Say nothing and smile with your best James Bond smirk.
Laconic = winner
I presume you shop there often, so you’ll see her again, and she will remember you.
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Exactly.
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I like this idea. Go buy condoms like every night for a couple weeks straight.
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Yeah, when in doubt, just keep it nonverbal.
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Yea, throughout this thread, my one thought has been: just be Don Draper about it. Look up as though you’d been elsewhere mentally, realize suddenly what’s going on, crack a boyish yet bemused smile, and go on your way ….
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These are just for practice. I don’t waste the good ones on practicing.
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Ask “do these come in extra small?” When she laughs, act nervous and disappointed. Look at the floor and say, “Everyone laughs at my extremely small penis… I was hoping you’d be different [as you look back up at her]”. When she changes her laughter to a more serious tone, you smirk. Then she asks, “so… do you wanna fuck me right here right now?” You tell her, “yes, but we’ll have to go raw because these condoms will fit me like a fat man’s coat on a baby.”
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small wiener routines are solid when you’re tall, you can take the convo dirty quick and they know you’ve got the goods.
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A very strong article about the word “cuckservative.” Classic CH wisdom infuses the argument.
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/what-is-a-cuckservative/
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… What aisle are the handcuffs in?
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“These are for a friend! (Whisper) I don’t use them.”
“Quitting my day job as a pro breeder, gotta start living like common folks I guess…(eye roll)”
“I’m sick of moving across the country every nine months, ya know?
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“What’s YOUR opinion of this brand/type?”
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“I will buy 2 if you want to join in.”
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*10
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Buy those small packs of flavored condoms. One of banana, one of grape, strawberry…
make eye contact, smirk and tell her
“Fruits are healthy, people keep saying”
her: hahaha true
you: you dont seem to like them
her: the fruits or the condoms?
…
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> Pick up pack of Magnums/other XL condoms
> Walk up to cashier, noticing the twinkle in her eye as she rings them up
> Low-key social tension acknowledgement (“Are you judging me?” “Do people ever get nervous/awkward when they’re buying these?”) lame joke (“Do these come with a manual?” “Are these the biggest ones?”), or just eye contact and a quick smirk
> Follow basic pickup steps, #, etc.
The main hook is that you’re buying the biggest condoms. That’s honestly the best nonverbal DHV you have at your disposal. The catch is that you need a huge dick.
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fembot cunt extraordinaire jessica valenti laments the fact that men don’t catcall her “anymore”:
https://archive.is/upmcL
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Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer named their company “Microsoft” because they had small, flaccid penes and they wanted the world to know it.
Discuss…
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Gay and Eskimo-ish
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You to counter-girl: “You should buy stock in this company (pointing to MAGNUM box)….it’s risen SO MUCH since I became a customer…..let her pick up on the innuendo…if she wants to…it’s all open-ended, and you can play innocent as well.
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LOL dude there is not one pretty girl in this country younger than 30 who knows what buying stock in a company means, or would have any chance of understanding that. would totally flop.
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If it was me, I’d say:”They’re not for me, they’re for my wife, she just doesn’t get me anymore.”
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How exactly does he know she’s 26? Mighty specific there.
Made my bullshit detector go off a little.
Anyway…
Put condoms on counter.
As she is ringing you up, ask what time the store closes.
After she tells you, say “just in case I need to come back for more”.
Deadpan all the way. Buy the rubbers and leave.
She will remember you.
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“These are my husbands favorite brand”
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I come….here for the great service….it’s all about the service.
OR drop ’em on the counter….and say
What aisle are the women on?
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“You should see the balloon animals I can make”
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Just a look and a smirk. Come back an hour later (with an open box) and inquire about the store’s return policy.
If she gives you I have a boyfriend/husband, (recalling her age) reply with “but do you have a daughter?”
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The only reply to make me openly laugh. Well done.
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Hey guys im really sorry for hijacking this thread i have a big question and it may be a shit test not sure. One of my plates asked me last night that it really turns her on if i beg to see her naked or if i beg for sex. WTF. Is this a shit test, an actual turn on. Is it beta as fuck to do that for her turn on what would be the alpha thing to do or say. I was just being all uncomfortable and didnt do it and it made shit awkward because she does all my kinks like tying her up and anal? please answer
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Danny – never had this before but I’d be uncomfortable with breaking frame. It may well turn her on if she has a dominant streak or something but it feels wrong to me break your dominant frame to beg her. And it may be a shit test.
If there’s a way to fulfil her fantasy from an alpha frame it would be ideal but I’m nt sure how – this is the kind of stuff YaReally can really help with
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“Father’s day gift.”
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Wait for her to ask “do you need a bag?”
Then reply “no, she’s not that ugly”
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Winner!
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YaReally and gang.
Question – how do you guys stop feeling bad about hurting/upsetting women? This probably leads on from HABD’s comment in another thread about me needing to fully swallow the red pill, but:
I just proactively cancelled a Sat night 3rd date with a 29 yr old HB7. Mostly because she’d been playing coy on confirming it after I made it clear it would be at my place (saying “I thought we’re going to a restaurant” etc). But also because I have a lot of urgent work this weekend, plus she flaked on me on a Saturday a couple of weeks ago (although apologized). And I just didn’t want the hassle of investing so much for the bang when I have enough plates for now.
Now she’s upset and the last text from her is “I assume you don’t want to see me” and she’s not replied to me saying “I can do Wednesday”. This is a genuinely sweet, fun girl and if I was looking to settle down, she’d be the kind of girl I’d settle down with.
My mistake was getting too much into “boyfriend” mode and not “lover” mode with her, I know that (hence no bang so far after two dates) but I know she likes me a lot and she’s probably thinking “I like this guy but he’s playing games with me” now.
And I feel bad and guilty about hurting her and playing games with her, because that is totally what I’m doing.
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@Culum
“Question – how do you guys stop feeling bad about hurting/upsetting women?”
Stop doing this:
“My mistake was getting too much into “boyfriend” mode and not “lover” mode with her”
You’re hurting her because you’re allowing her expectations that you could be her boyfriend.
Are you hurt right now because I’m not handing you your rent money for this month? No because I’ve given you no reason to assume I would and if you hinted about not having rent money I would tell you I’m broke so you know not to expect rent money from me.
But if I promise you money or let you THINK I’ll help you, then when I don’t give it to you you’ll be “hurt” because I let you go off fantasizing about what having that rent money would be like and let you get way ahead of yourself.
If you want to stop hurting them strengthen your frame and proactively remove yourself from being a potential boyfriend.
The problem is most guys can’t keep their frame. They want the sex so bad or the girl is cool enough that they’re like ok THIS one I’ll ease up a bit because I really like her so I won’t push for sex on this first date she’s really sweet and I just like hanging out with her. Then they’re surprised when she expects them to be her boyfriend. Then they’re surprised when a girl who they LET think he would be her boyfriend is hurt when they flake on her.
Handle your emotions. Women need you to have a very specific role in mind for them in your life and to not be wishy washy on it. Sailing to Cuba might not be my first preference of destinations, maybe I’d rather sail to Jamaica but I would rather be on the ship where the captain had the map to Cuba all laid out and all calculations made and sounds sure of himself getting there, than on the ship to Jamaica where the captain is going ehh I think it’s over here somewhere maybe, maybe we should go to Cuba I dunno I like Jamaica but if you like Cuba I guess we could go there maybe it’s somewhere here I dunno…
Be adamant setting the frame and be willing to lose the girl.
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Women are always asking me what it is I want. They want to know that you k ow exactly what to expect from your relationship or short term fling or whatever it is.
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YaReally – thanks. You’re right of course. I get enough sex so it’s not that reason, but the second reason is spot on.
I liked her and just enjoyed hanging out with her and didn’t push as hard as I could have (also, partly bad luck cos second date there were some logistical issues or I’d have pushed for sex then). But I definitely didn’t set the frame strongly enough on Date 1 when she asked what I was looking for – left her too much wriggle room to hope when I said I didn’t want anything serious.
She’s not the only girl I’ve done the easing up with when I like her either..I’ll keep it in mind for next time.
In a way this is a blessing – it’s a (relatively) easy way to end things with this girl with minimal hurt – if I HAD banged her and she’d had the hope of a relationship it would be much messier. I just need the strength now to ignore her if she texts me next week (a distinct possibility).
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@Culum
“But I definitely didn’t set the frame strongly enough on Date 1 when she asked what I was looking for – left her too much wriggle room to hope when I said I didn’t want anything serious”
You got it. Every guy does it at some point, most do it all the time. But that’s how you get these situs. When you get tired of crushing girls hopes and pissing them off for feeling “led on” you start to toughen your frame up and proactively categorize yourself as not boufriend material.
“She’s not the only girl I’ve done the easing up with when I like her either..I’ll keep it in mind for next time.”
It’s not all doom and gloom too. Just because you set the frame of sex only at the start doesn’t mean she can’t win you over after you guys bang a few times if you ACTUALLY do like her.
But you can never go the OPPOSITE way. You can always go from casual to boyfriend but not boyfriend to casual (at least not easily). Same way you can always go from having a harem to monogamy with one girl from it but you can’t go from monogamy with a girl to having a harem (again without lots of potential tricky drama and shit if you even DO pull it off)
If you set a sex only frame and then ease up on it AFTER YOUVE BANGED A FEW TIMES, not BEFORE, then she feels like she’s winning you over and is actually MORE happy with her prize than if you offered BF status up right away
Prob is there’ll be a period of learning to calibrate all this where you’ll lose some sweet girls who don’t want to bang unless you date them. Over time you’ll figure out how to get around this with a lot of them by holding your frame and running tighter game where you DHV enough that she makes an exception for you.
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Thanks YaReally. It also just occurred to me that this setting expectations frame is dependent on the girl – as in the strength with which I need to set the “lover only” frame. A 21/22 year old isn’t looking for a boyfriend anyway, and neither is an older MILF so I don’t need to set a “no BF” frame so strongly – more like a “I’m no beta provider”. But a 29 year old, to whom a successful 35 year old is perfect target BF material – needs rock solid frame setting on the BF front – because she’s desperate to land a BF.
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One more thing on a tangent. I was just watching a Julien video about dominating conversations and how it is a form of offering value by being interesting and how a woman will want to reciprocate by banging you. And I just realized how often now when I am vibing well with a woman on Whatsapp, SHE will sexualize the interaction – either by words, or frequently with pictures – it’s the same dynamic.
It’s almost as if they are thinking “my sexuality is the value I have to offer here” which goes against all their online ads going “I want a guy I can have intellectual conversations with” etc.
It’s actually like a lot of tryhard rich beta guys who think they can attract women by talking about their car or boat or whatever..
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@Culum I’ll share my insights because I had this feeling before and sometimes now if or when I cancel. It’s another perspective.
It comes from a trigger into some sense of “loss”, it’s codependency. You feel bad about someone else feeling bad or possibly feeling bad. If you’re busy, you cancel, you make changes it’s your frame.
it’s hard to unlearn this. It comes from a scarcity mentality. But, the reality is if a girl is sincere or truly interested she’ll come around.
I’ve had fights, told girls to f-off and they’ve come back. Crazy ex still hovers. She came out to a party I was djing at. Didn’t say hi, ignored me. But still popped into my line of sight just to remind me she was there.
You’re assuming that they’ll hate you just because you canceled. You need to realize and understand a girl’s emotions are in a constant state of flux. If the shoe was on the other foot, they’d drop you in a second for another dude. I know, it’s happened to me. If I cancel, I usually just say “Can we make it another night, I’m working/have a conflict on that night” and usually that’s understood. if you just flake, you run a higher risk of never seeing them again.
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Thanks Wala – that’s true. I do feel that way in response to her feeling bad and in this case the girl deserved to be flaked on for messing around on confirming the date (plus I had work). So that’s something I just need to unlearn the scarcity mentality (which is ongoing – a few months ago I wouldn’t have actually cancelled on her so there is progress).
But it’s also true that her resistance to coming back to mine is because she is on the “boyfriend” track and if I had set the frame properly (as YaReally described) she’s attracted enough to me that I would have easily banged her by now AND not have had problems with her expecting more.
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@Culum
from the other thread…since it’s toooo far back…
“But I do still find it hard to accept exactly what you said – that women in general lack the *capacity* to be decent or moral like men can be. It just doesn’t seem right.”
it’s NOT right in the blue pill/white knightery sense…lol…and THAT is where a lot of the bitterness from red pill choke-down comes from…as an aside, this is one of the main components of the FI…and once you get that red pill all the way down, it is a feature not a bug…bc you can predict what ALL women will do in any given situ…and all you have to do is calibrate and engage properly to get the outcome you want…as YaReally has pointed out, that’s why it’s a catastrophe waiting to happen with women in decision making capacities in govt and business…actually the decline of western civ is caused by this…and look how the world is turning out…
women ‘look’ like they have moral capacity (bc that’s what it looks like to an outside observer = you/men), but once you choke down that red pill ALL the way, you understand that it’s just a surface appearance…whereas when men look like they have moral capacity that that really is what’s there…
women are solipsistic…and AWALT…they view the world through what is in their own self interest = how the world relates to them v. men = how they relate to the world (Rational Male’s Mental Point of Origin)…that’s why men are capable of self-sacrifice (without a benefit to their genetic legacy/provisioning situ)
“Question – how do you guys stop feeling bad about hurting/upsetting women? ”
WHY would you feel bad about ‘hurting’/upsetting women?…that’s the GOAL…lol…bc that’s ‘drawing’ a shit test…so you can dhv and handle it and increase your smv…but more importantly, you are talking about ‘feelings’ as opposed to being ‘hurt’ like a physical punch/hit…so, lol…AND you are taking responsibility for her feelings at the expense of your own situ = straight up FI…although i do understand your guilt/shame about not being enough of a player and not thinking she is sexy enough to be worth your time to lead her to having sex with you…where then she would be happy…(how’s that for a reframe?…lol…but only half kidding bc that’s the dynamic that’s in play…)
you are talking about ‘hurting’ her…but what you are really seeing is that she is mad/frustrated that you are not going along with fulfilling her sexual strategy = af/bb…have you learned nothing at Rational Male?…lol…that ‘anger’ is her rolodex play to get you to do what she wants = beta provider…(see YaReally’s advice…lol)
the biggest issue that i had with red pill was that i was always trying to ‘except’ out MY life from reality…lol…the girls (including my wife) that i interacted with were NOT like that…although i COULD see all those OTHER girls/situs were playing out in accord with red pill predictions…lol…(AND using red pill techs WAS having a positive effect on my marriage…lol) then, about a year into red pill, i had an epiphany weekend where i was balanced on the knife edge of the blue pill/red pill reality divide (when i get more time i’ll probably write this up, since there was a lot going on) but i would make predictions – one blue pill, one red pill – based on the same interactions…and red pill ALWAYS was accurate…lol…THEN (bc i had ‘enough’ data points), i let the red pill slide ALL the way down and did the same to my own situ/real life…red pill ALL THE WAY down…bitter doesn’t begin to describe it…(i was physically ill…literally…) i thought my head was going to explode from the cognitive dissonance… bc up to that point it wasn’t ‘real’…and then it was…like terminal cancer…)
but it gets better…and then it’s surprisingly sweet aftertaste…lol
so, let’s do the quick analysis on your interaction with hb7:
“I just proactively cancelled a Sat night 3rd date with a 29 yr old HB7.”
3rd date with NO SEX…lol…subcomms = you DON”T like her sexually (AF)…but she’ll play along bc beta provider potential (BB)…plus she’s in that age range…
“Mostly because she’d been playing coy on confirming it after I made it clear it would be at my place (saying “I thought we’re going to a restaurant” etc). ”
shit test…and how do you handle a shit test?…lol…
“But also because I have a lot of urgent work this weekend,”
solid excuse, but you don’t need to tell her why bc that’s supplicating to her = beta frame…just cancel (or flake…lol)…which, given your bb behavior is messing up her sexual strategy algorithms…
“plus she flaked on me on a Saturday a couple of weeks ago (although apologized).”
= shit test…did she offer a reschedule?…i’m guessing not, since you are stuck in the beta provider track…and offering a reschedule is a ‘chasing’ tactic…which girls only reserve for alpha studs…that’s why it’s a good check on how her hindbrain is relating to you…
“And I just didn’t want the hassle of investing so much for the bang when I have enough plates for now.”
= abundance mentality…(good job!…lol…see how far you’ve come…hard work pays off…)
BUT, this is also blue pill in the sense that you have enough plates for sex, but they aren’t/don’t seem to be girls you ‘click with’ (girls you would wife up)
also, BUT, this is also messing up her af/bb algorithms…remember a girl’s default algo is to slot men into beta provider track…bc alphas know how to get out of/avoid that track…so, if you ‘go along’ with her sexual strategy (=FI), you are ALWAYS going to be in this situ…and you will miss out on banging those quality girls (that you click with). this is a severe limiting belief and is residual blue pill (good girl/bad girl) thinking…remember, good girls are just as (if not more) slutty than bad girls…remember that cute girl/slutty girl reddit?…lol… why wouldn’t you have all your plates be like this girl?…serious question…
“Now she’s upset” = rolodex play…
“and the last text from her is “I assume you don’t want to see me” ”
= chase me rolodex play…
“and she’s not replied to me saying “I can do Wednesday”.”
= chase me…
“This is a genuinely sweet, fun girl and if I was looking to settle down, she’d be the kind of girl I’d settle down with.”
= residual blue pill…lol…serious question = why would you want to bang other girls that you click with less than this girl?…just as an aside/observation – girls off sugar sites/strip clubs are ‘bad girls’…lol…so factor that into your self analysis…but remember AWALT…
“My mistake was getting too much into “boyfriend” mode and not “lover” mode with her,”
good analysis…now, how to spin that around?…assuming you want to…and i ALWAYS recommend trying to get better…
“I know that (hence no bang so far after two dates) but I know she likes me a lot and she’s probably thinking “I like this guy but he’s playing games with me” now.”
= blue pill/limiting belief…playing games = bad…you are still trying to ‘take care of her feelings’ = view her as a good girl…bc ‘good girls’ don’t like those ‘players’…lol…and you don’t want to ‘play’ her bc she is a good girl…remember game is ALWAYS in play…with great power comes great responsibility…bc you know game = you are just ‘playing’ a beta provider right now…so, with this girl, that’s your goal…that question becomes WHY?…v. AF…
YOU are the man, so anything that is happening in the interaction is your responsibility…you are the one leading (to wherever), so decide where you want to go…make the plan, make your predictions, execute, observe, adjust and rinse and repeat = calibration…
“And I feel bad and guilty about hurting her and playing games with her, because that is totally what I’m doing.”
how’s that FI treating you?…lol…
seriously, this was one of my biggest sticking points i had bc i was raised with FI beaten into me…red pill is called bitter for a reason…and the best outcome for everybody (including the girls) is for you to go AF on every girl…see YaReally’s advice…
good luck!
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HABD, thank you. So much to digest in this post – Not much for me to respond to, except to say I’m going to read it several times and then think about it and try and process it.
It feels like I’m getting near the point you were at when you had that weekend when everything fell into place.
PS – I just checked my old texts for the one where this girl flaked on me that other Saturday and it’s at lunchtime on the day, along the lines of “Hey, I can’t come today..I just found out my friend bought tickets for me to a movie without telling me..I’m sorry – when are you back? [From the trip she knew I was going on the next day]”. So not really a rescheduling offer, but a sort of quasi-offer (more importantly, while I appreciate her honesty, there is no way she should have been flaking on me after agreeing to meet because she found out her friend had got her movie tickets)
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@habd best post ever. So much here for me to share for Culum as learnings.
The “hurting” a girl by doing something part. That 27 year old who went nuts, posted my private texts holding me out to be some sex addict who “ruined” her life. Lollllzzzzzzz. The reality was she couldn’t understand why I wasn’t like “other guys”… in other words, the guys who were apparently always chasing her. Whether this is true or not, she used that idea to try to motivate me into chasing. I didn’t bite. Her trump card was to publicly shame me. I didn’t react to that publicly either. So…what can she do now? Leave, ok. Or if she comes back it would have to be on my terms.
Crazy ex gf, always hovering around. She was the only other girl of the 3 who contacted me who clearly wanted to use that incident to spark an argument, get me to be either offensive or defensive. It’s in her “rolodex” to get a reaction. Any reaction is a bandaid for my no contact. My no contact is for me to move on. Her reactions are a by-product.
It was my birthday recently. I dj’d an event that night with tons of people coming out enjoying the music and having drinks. Tons of hot girls. She was there with friends. Hovered around me to get in my line of sight a few times even grabbing a drink off the table I was sitting at with some of her friends. I didn’t react. Instead of pulled a hot girl onto the dance floor while everyone cheered. She left early. I only know this because she made it a point to walk by me so I’d notice otherwise I wouldn’t have.
Do I feel bad? No. I used to but now it know that in this dynamic it’s a game. If you feel bad you’ve lost. That doesn’t mean you go out of your way to be deliberately cruel or hurtful—because in reality that’s going into their frame. But if you carry on as per normal, have a great time and demonstrate that you’ve got other interests that vibe is contagious.
It’s taken me a long time to get into this frame of mind. If I lose focus (go Blue Pill) and not realize that the dynamic is about who leads and who follows then I’m back in chase mode.
As for the cute girl at the party. She was giving me IOI’s. All her friends were watching. I didn’t number close her. I wanted to defy expectations because I sensed that all her friends were watching and ready to blast me. Number closing would have played into that. NOT number closing I felt was a way to spark curiousity—IF he truly is as big a player as THEY say, why didn’t he make a move on me? What’s wrong with ME??? It’s a chess game, maybe I’m over-thinking that but i’ll see her again anyway and take it from there.
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More food for thought walawala – eg “in this game..if you feel bad, you’ve lost”..just carry on as normal.
YaReally/HABD – quick update on the FRA virgin 30 year old. Have been exchanging texts occasionally for weeks. Took her out on a proper “date” to a movie yesterday (she followed up after I suggested it last week so she’s still keen).
Tried to tread a fine balance between too beta and too sexual, but much more on beta side. Virtually no kino, polite chat..I did catch her looking at me once or twice during the movie. Watched a movie like friends might. Was going to kiss her goodnight on the lips but she gave me the cheek which I think is a good sign. She said at the end and again by text afterwards that she’d had a great time and thank you.
I am hoping this is beta enough that I can start fading away after this and preferably not see her again..
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@Culum
in the stack again…so, much for the change in auto mod…lol…
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@habd one in the stack for you on your post.
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Yareally I’m looking to counter this AMOG situation. I was out at a bar/lounge type environment and waiting in line for the bathroom. 2 HBs 8-9 are trying to skip the line because they have a pair of tits. Guy said no and then their insecure amog dates/bfs try to start a fight or whatever. Hbs tell their amogs to relax then one of them asks me if I’ll let them cut in front of me for some money. I’m like fuck it sure let’s see what happens. We start chatting and then douche rolls up and puts his hand on me and asks me if I’m really that desperate to take money from a girl. I’m like why not. He said that was a good answer I’d like to see you try or something like that. I asked him if they were dating he was just like no I’m not going to use the bathroom I’ll just stand here to see you take their money. The HBs left the bathroom when I was still inside. The dudes probably said something while I was in there. When I came out the girls said thanks for letting us in and then left without giving me anything. I’m a good looking dude so the amogs probably saw a threat at the beginning. The girls could’ve been throwing me fake iois in line and using me the whole time so probably nothing would’ve happened. However how to counter amog when someone says you’re desperate?
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Dude, this made no sense. If you really wanted them to pay you why didn’t you take the money before letting them in? Sounds like you got the worst of both worlds, although I suspect you could have played it to better advantage than asking them to pay you to cut in – maybe for eg you could have told one of them to kiss you or something..
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Don’t ever let a dude put his hands on you.
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Lol money up front
Seriously tho in these situs just turn the girls against the guy. They have to like you because 1) he’s not dating them apparently and 2) they want shit from you. Instead of engaging him you use social pressure on him by charming the girls into getting him to lay off and feel retarded for white knighting them.
As long as you have the girls’ approval and they like you, buddy can’t do shit because it would be like punching their brother or friend and they can’t go against “m’lady”‘s wishes.
But because I’m a dick I would turn it around on him. “Girls your boyfriend here says a gentleman doesn’t take money from women. Personally I think a REAL gentleman would offer to pay FOR a lady in need. Didn’t you bring your wallet out tonight man? These girls need to use the bathroom! Don’t act like you don’t have a $20 on you, these girls need your help. Next round is on me, girls you ever had a (shot name)?” and get them to henpeck along with me and social pressure him for the money lol bonus: you’re following his rules too you’re not taking money from girls you’re taking it from him.
No guarantees this doesn’t get your ass kicked, I have calibration so I can pull this stuff off lol
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View it this way: when you want a deal or lower phone rates do you talk to the guy on the phone and the cashier? Or do you go over their head and engage directly with their manager, the one who has power/authority over them?
The dudes are the subordinate. The women have the real power. Don’t engage the knights, look past them and lock eyes on one of the girls so she’s engaged with you and talk directly to the queens and charm them and they’ll order their knights in line.
By BEING white knights they showed you their weakness is pedestalizing the girls as queens so they told you how to “defeat” them. You’re simply using their own rule of “men should do what girls want” against them
If they didn’t have that rule you’d be at more risk of a fight etc but they showed you their hand so you use it.
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How about telling the girl you will let her cut in if she will go on date with you, and she must give you her phone number right now.
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Thanks Yareally I imagine that your delivery would be said in the funny as fuck way. And Culum I missed an opportunity to sexually escalate when the hotter of the two asked me what did I want. I said $5 (facepalm) she said that she would give more like $1 (originally they said a lot of money eyeroll).
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Yareally I encountered this really nasty shit test. Late night 2 Set HB7.5 Blonde and HB6.5 Brunette on patio in bar. Approach HB6.5 and lock eyes with her. She says hi in a really questioning way. I say hi then tell her to make out with me. She says she can’t she’s with her gf. I gesture towards HB7.5 and her to kiss each other. Massive shit test follows: HB7.5 says that was rude and how I should leave. Immediately these chodes behind me go ” oooohh You just got owned” while waving their hand in my face (they’re still behind me). Didn’t have a response to that which probably killed me. Instead I just looked calmly at HBblonde. She tells me to seriously just leave. And then she says how she’s going to punch me. Meanwhile chode starts referencing a popular hip hop video website. I’m still looking at her calmly to see what she does. She just is like seriously? HBbrunette has fallen in line and gestures for me to go. I tell her that I love her. HBblonde seems to be incredulous at how I haven’t left yet. At this point I couldn’t think up anything to say so I gesture towards these 2 clowns (They moved around and further away) to see what they got. HBblonde asks them if I’m with them and they’re like nah blah blah blah. Clearly they don’t have any balls and set is over. I look at both of them afterwards and say what’s up in a very calm manner. They’re like we’re just chilling. (Because he’s a bitch obviously). I heard them talking pua before I approached so I got there first so there are some clowns out there in the community (Were they there just to practice amogging or something? There seem to be a lot of these.) Anyway I found that I’m calm as fuck and can withstand a lot of social pressure because I don’t care. Now to figure out how to deal with this clusterfuck in the future.
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@The Awakened One
“Now to figure out how to deal with this clusterfuck in the future.”
Go on YouTube and type in “mystery method” and watch the seminars and quit running sloppy uncalibrated game and you won’t have to deal with this clusterfuck in the future lol
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@The Awakened One
You’re looking for how to patch up leaks in the boat instead of looking for how to avoid leaks in the first place.
This next part isn’t so much about you as it is about the community in general these days so don’t take this too personally, I’m just using you as a convenient example for a point I’ll probably be stressing more in the future:
Using girls as social leverage to handle AMOGs is oldschool shit. You should KNOW how to spike a girl’s Buying Temp in front of an AMOG and blow him out or get her to join sides with you to pressure him into shit.
Here’s a SUPER oldschool era vid:
And the breakdown of all the dynamics that went on that you should be learning to spot in real-time:
All these guys are doing is spiking the girls’ Buying Temp thru the roof when the AMOG tries to hold court, instead of engaging the AMOG etc. Same thing I was talking about except he didn’t bother turning the pressure on the AMOGs because they were blown out (you would have to turn the pressure on them because they were the girls’ dates and they were being aggressive with you, whereas these are just some dudes who cold-approached the girls)
A better approach on a seated 2-set on a patio is an indirect opener. Engage the girls, win them over, join the set and chill with them, build attraction, rapport, comfort, handle the friend and logistics, take her home and fuck or at LEAST get a rock-solid number that leads to a day2 where you fuck her. What are you thinking she’s just going to suck your face in front of her friend in a brightly lit low-energy quiet-music patio because you walk up and say to in front of a bunch of other dudes too like her ASD isn’t going to play a factor? That can work, esp in a more crowded chaotic club type environment, and it even work on a patio or in the street but it’s not going to be consistent…that’s just spam approaching and playing the numbers game crossing your fingers. If you want consistency you have to run actual game.
Even if you were going to try that, what’d you do just bee-line for them? Did you have other girls on your arm? Did you open any sets around them first so they could indirectly observe your high-value before you approached and forced them to make a snap judgement based on your looks? Did you chat the dudes around them up and tell a story or some shit to demonstrate being the leader of men and make another chick giggle away before smoothly merging that set forward into their set as the social connector and using them to occupy your target’s friend so you could lock-in and isolate her attention on you without being interrupted or cockblocked?
If you aren’t working on seeing those angles and doing that stuff, what are you doing out there ya know?
Watch the MM seminars on YouTube and google and read the Tyler Durden Digest. It’s a time investment but it’ll help you build a game framework that will fix a lot of this bullshit you’re running into. You’re running into it because you aren’t executing proper game and group theory.
This isn’t to shit on you, I’m not trying to be an asshole here, it’s good that you’re out there trying and you sound confident enough that my saying this isn’t going to cripple you and make you give up on game and run and hide in your basement…like I say I’m just using you as a convenient example here.
But like, a LOT of game issues can be fixed by just tightening your shit up so the boat doesn’t sink in the first place instead of pushing a swiss cheese boat out into the water and getting frustrated at how you have to keep bailing water out lol
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@Yareally ok massive qualification time here: Started several years and have read ALL of the articles on CH including comments (obviously has turned into a wasteland), all of yareally archive (everything said here has been correct. HB10s give very subtle hints and small windows, no mistakes or perhaps one maximum with these ones), all of scray reports, finished mm book recently, juggler method (naturally get along with ppl so this is good for me), reading mm collab, sedfast field reports (obviously a massive intj here). Now I’m just putting experiences to concepts I’ve read. I work out 4-5 times a week, eat well, and don’t drink anymore so I can ripe the rewards when I’m older. Because I’m good looking in a way I’m peacocked at a venue since I wear an outfit that works for me. I get iois from HB6s-8s. HB6-7s will approach me. Also Paimai too from hotter girls or iois if they’re young.
Started documenting my sober solo sarges as unknown about 6 weeks ago. Spreading positive vibes when I’m out as well as letting girls know I have a penis so I can start getting used to spiking and passing obnoxious shit tests. Last week in a venue befriended early 20’s guy from a major not known for having lots of girls in it and then introed some random hbs who gave me iois at him nothing happened but am working on leader of men skill. Got him to come out to same venue again and threw some more random hbs at him but nothing happened. Tried to teach him mindsets that I have learned in a normal way.
Since I told you about clusterfuck set may as well write about what happened before. Venue is crowded meat market standing room only bar/lounge where moving through herds of ppl is normal. Plays thumping edm on dance floor with patio (also standing room only) outside that’s also not well lit. Get there around midnight Clap hands and follow 3 second rule as soon as I enter venue say hey to HB6.5 but get IHABF. Go outside patio to get non alcoholic beverage. IOIs from 2 set hb7s ordering drinks from bar. Approach hotter of two from behind and apologize for being late since the ex was being crazy again. Ask her for her name again and she complies then tell her to intro me to friend. She asks me about my ex and I tell her about her jealousy of me being around other girls. She tells me it’s too bad how they ordered drinks already otherwise I could get them some. Pfft told them they can get me one but they say in that girly way they can’t since they paid with card already. I said it was too bad. Couldn’t think of anything to say further so set dies and give positive vibes as they leave.
Get to bar see dude looking drunk or tired and ask him if he’s ok. He tells me to f off. Ok guy whose not getting laid. Turn to other side and chat up and giving fun positive vibes to older gentlemen whose a really cool guy. Offered him a drink but although he appreciates offer declines because he has money and could tell we would be friends if more time was available. Order my non alcoholic beverage and HB8.5 bartender recognizes me saying how I’m there all the time getting that drink (in a 100+ person venue?) and doesn’t charge me (How’s that for DHV. Probably should’ve left a tip though).
Walked around and then next set attempted to merge sets. 3set guys and 4 set (3 HBs 1 guy) standing at table on patio that looked like they just met each other there. Shook hands with 3set. Opinion opener to HB on how to get a gf with a 1inch penis. She cracks up and then they spread it around group and they all crack up. They say they don’t know. She asks me for my name and then I tell her and qualify her on her attire. She responds and then asks what I do here. I say bartender and how I’m tired of dating cocktails waitresses and am looking for a real relationship. She says she doesn’t know but her friends (Cuter) may. Wasn’t interested in the girls there so I gave the group positive vibes as I left.
Walked around then saw older gentleman again on patio. Chatted him up on women. Tapped girls and introed them to him but they just said hi without moving. Then opened mixed sets around us since ppl kept bumping into him they were all friendly since I guess he was older. Peacocked due to disparity in ages. He was good at opening up ppl. He bought me a drink at same bar with earlier HBbartender (Another DHV). Went to dancefloor with him and grabbed girl’s hand and locked eyes however cb wasn’t having it. Older gentleman complimented me on having balls then got tired so we exchanged numbers then he left.
Clusterfuck set was around 2. Ppl around may have been aware of my presence earlier. Approach was to see how fast I could escalate that late at night and what sort of shit tests would be involved. Beeline approach through crowd before other 2 clowns would show up.
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Good shit dude, glad you’re taking action and it sounds like you’re taking it serious. That means it’s not going to be hard for you to tighten your game up. You’re applying most of the stuff you’ve learned and it sounds like you don’t have problems applying CH, Juggler, internal shit, etc., you’re getting rapport and running mixed sets etc. they just aren’t really GOING anywhere…the fix for that will be focusing more on the Mystery Method stuff.
You’re going in and you’re doing cool social shit, but you’re playing checkers not chess.
The difference between what Mystery teaches and what you’re doing is that you’re performing actions as one-offs mostly independent of eachother, whereas Mystery teaches to layer everyting you’re doing into the next shit you do.
So like, you could open a hot girl in one room and make her laugh, then you could go to another room and make a hotter bartender laugh. But even BETTER would be to wait till that hot girl is beside that bartender and make the hot girl laugh so the bartender SEES you doing it and you use that social proof to make the bartender more receptive. But even BETTER THAN THAT would be to open the hot girl and make her laugh and then BRING HER OVER to the bartender to engage her in your conversation, so that the bartender sees you with social proof AND leading a high-value woman around. Even better than ALL OF THAT, would be to open that hot girl, make her laugh, then bring her over to a 3-set of girls standing at the bartender’s bar and bring that 3-set into the conversation for the bartender to observe you with 4 girls’ attention including a cold-approach of the 3 at the bar right in front of her (and those 3 will be receptive to you BECAUSE you have a hot girl with you, VS just cold-approaching the 3 set without that hot girl with you). Do it that last way and that hot bartender will think you’re a celebrity and be a thousand times more receptive than if you had just run a good set out of her view and then gone up to her to try to make her laugh directly.
Like, THAT’S what pickup “artistry” looks like. It’s taking everything you do and building off it toward your goal. Like building a skyscraper instead of a bunch of little houses. That’s the mindset you want to be in, so that when you end a set you don’t think “ok time to leave this area”, you think “ok now who saw that and how can I build off it?”
One way to think about it is instead of drawing individual dots around a piece of paper, you’re playing connect the dots drawing lines from one dot to the next until you have a picture.
So because you wrote out a big thing, the least I can do is break down points where I would have done things different and where you missed some opportunities, so that you learn to spot these things in the future…this is why we write Field Reports, so we can have outside eyes notice this shit and help us spot it in the future:
“@Yareally ok massive qualification time here: Started several years and have read ALL of the articles on CH including comments (obviously has turned into a wasteland), all of yareally archive (everything said here has been correct. HB10s give very subtle hints and small windows, no mistakes or perhaps one maximum with these ones), all of scray reports, finished mm book recently, juggler method (naturally get along with ppl so this is good for me), reading mm collab, sedfast field reports (obviously a massive intj here). Now I’m just putting experiences to concepts I’ve read. I work out 4-5 times a week, eat well, and don’t drink anymore so I can ripe the rewards when I’m older. Because I’m good looking in a way I’m peacocked at a venue since I wear an outfit that works for me. I get iois from HB6s-8s. HB6-7s will approach me. Also Paimai too from hotter girls or iois if they’re young.
Started documenting my sober solo sarges as unknown about 6 weeks ago. Spreading positive vibes when I’m out as well as letting girls know I have a penis so I can start getting used to spiking and passing obnoxious shit tests. Last week in a venue befriended early 20’s guy from a major not known for having lots of girls in it and then introed some random hbs who gave me iois at him nothing happened but am working on leader of men skill. Got him to come out to same venue again and threw some more random hbs at him but nothing happened. Tried to teach him mindsets that I have learned in a normal way.”
All good shit. Props for putting in the effort and it sounds like you have a solid baseline to work from now. You won’t have much problem tweaking your game, all you need to do is start applying more strategy…ie – execute a lot of the same TECHNIQUES you’re executing but in a more STRATEGIC way (and with some more tech added as I’ll explain)
Stay with me, this is going to get tech heavy but if you’ve studied all that shit esp MM recently this’ll make sense to you lol:
“Get there around midnight Clap hands and follow 3 second rule as soon as I enter venue say hey to HB6.5 but get IHABF. Go outside patio”
If it was a “Hey, you–” “Sorry I have a BF” set and she was drunk or just not in a receptive state, then ya hitting the patio is fine.
But if it was like a 2-5 min chat then this is a set you’d want to try to use as a pivot to open sets beside you instead of going to another room. And if it was a 2-5 min chat and she pulls out IHABF then disqualify yourself to disarm her so you’re no longer a threat (“woah, someone’s feeling mighty pretty tonight, I actually have a GF lol why do girls always think I’m hitting on them? Is it my shirt? lol so anyway–“) and try to use her as a pivot for any adjacent sets or say “hey show me where the patio is, I’ve never been here before” and walk out onto the patio WITH her so the people on the patio see “ok girls like this guy and feel safe around him he’s not some solo dude” even if you ditch her right after…that 2-set of HB7s you’re about to approach next would have been even MORE receptive having seen a chick on your arm. And they’d be even MORE MORE receptive if on top of that you engaged the bartender (male or female) who got your drink for you (I like to crack a quick joke as I order like “god, I’ve been drinking all day, just a water or I’m going to be passed out in a corner over there.” and get them to chuckle, THEN open whatever’s beside me).
I’m guessing this first chick was an instant blowout like the first situation I described but like, I’m just throwing out shit to think about and visualize in your head…IHABF isn’t a death sentence, and if you get IHABF a lot then try going indirect more. The in-your-face direct stuff will trigger IHABF a lot more, but a girl who’s got a BF can hang with you all night if you calibrate and disqualify yourself from hitting on her because you’re not triggering her ASD anymore.
“to get non alcoholic beverage.”
Good man. Mystery, Tyler, RSDJulien, RSDMax, RSDTodd, none of these guys drink. Build your skillset sober so you don’t have to drink to “unlock” that personality.
“IOIs from 2 set hb7s ordering drinks from bar. Approach hotter of two from behind and apologize for being late since the ex was being crazy again.”
Solid open. The girl with her back to you is the one that likes you if you’re getting IOIs, but by engaging her directly you’re giving her validation right away…and if she’s the hotter of the two, that’s what she expects/wants. Group theory and MM is based on making her frustrated that she doesn’t instantly win you over by just being hot, because a high-value dude would expect her to impress him before he shows interest in her.
“Ask her for her name again”
Why? This is A3 (male to female interest, aka showing interest in her) but you haven’t really qualified her on anything to deserve your A3. You have A2 (female to male interest, aka iois) ’cause she was checking you out, but the bridge from her showing interest to you showing interest back is her being qualified and passing a qualifier, impressing you and EARNING your interest.
I did the same thing for a while, I would ask their name, till I realized 1) she hasn’t earned my interest in her name yet so why am I asking? It’s ’cause I’m seeking rapport and following social norms and because quite frankly I didn’t have any better material queued up to spit instead of falling into the social norm routine of asking her name and 2) by asking her name and exchanging names in general right away I’m removing a potential ioi from her that tells me I have solid A2…ie – when she’s REALLY into me to the point where I know she’ll try to pass my qualifiers (VS just being a little into me and not caring about passing them, which means go back to A1 and DHV more so she wants to pass them), she WOULD ask me “So what’s your name???” or “So my name is Jenny! What’s your name?” which tells me I have a huge green light…but because I pre-emptively took away her default ioi move, she can’t use it and has to come up with another one and that’s harder for her to do and/or requires showing her hand more (ie – showing interest by asking “what’s your name?” is keeping her cards hidden more than “I like your shirt” and hot girls will often want to show as little of their hand as possible at first incase you’re a chode in disguise).
Don’t bother with names, just game them with interesting DHV shit until they ask for YOUR name. Then you know you have solid A2 and can try qualifying them to see if they’ve earned your A3 (and if they try to pass but don’t pass, DHV some more then qualify them with something easier they can pass. If they don’t try to pass, go back to A1 and DHV some more till you get stronger A2 then qualify them again. And if they purposely sabotage qualifying, neg/tease them (and possibly take your attention away to focus on their friend in a mini-freezeout punishment) and go back to A1 to DHV’ing again until she gives you A2 then try to qualify her again, rinse and repeat until she finally passes your qualifying and THEN you can ask shit about her).
It’s not as complicated as it sounds on first read lol, it’s just a flowchart basically. If she does this, do this, if she does this other thing, loop back to this other part until she plays along then do this next thing.
Now cue someone saying “bro lol you’re a nerd, this is all too much thinking bro just go up and be COOL bro, jesus I ain’t never needed none o’ this stuff and one time I banged a 10/10 girl bro!” I don’t fucking care lol This shit is how you get CONSISTENT results with hot girls instead of playing the numbers game and crossing your fingers you’re in the right place at the right time with the right girl.
“and she complies then tell her to intro me to friend.”
Good. You have minor compliance and iois, so you have the spark of attraction. You could have MORE attraction if you did some other shit like I described but like, you’ve got enough to work with at this point if you apply solid strategy from here.
“She asks me about my ex and I tell her about her jealousy of me being around other girls. She tells me it’s too bad how they ordered drinks already otherwise I could get them some. Pfft told them they can get me one but they say in that girly way they can’t since they paid with card already. I said it was too bad.”
Letting her set/lead the frame/conversation. You tried countering her “buy us drinks” frame with your “no you buy ME drinks” but you don’t have enough A2 for them to actually DO it (asking too much compliance for the level of attraction they’re at). A better way to handle it would be to brush it off and go into some kind of story/routine, OR engage it but lead it into a story/routine like “lol no see I was at this party once…and I met this girl, and she–” and tell an engaging story (with DHVs and leader of men and protector of loved ones shit built into it, if you can’t improvise this on the fly then plan it out ahead of time so you have it somewhere in your brain) where some chick asked you to buy her a drink and it turned into a big fiasco and she barfed all over and you had to get her home safe because creepy guys wanted to take advantage of her bla bla…now you’re in set for like 5 extra minutes with a bunch more DHVs, keeping their intention as you increase your value in their eyes, and all this time everyone around you is seeing you hold a solid 2-set of HB7s.
Bonus points if you can lean against the bar and lock-in so that they’re both facing you and it looks like they’re gaming you. Check out Mystery at 2:00-2:20 ESPECIALLY the moment where ALL 3 GIRLS LEAN IN fighting over his attention at 2:14:
How pimp does that look to everyone else in the room? Doesn’t matter if he’s short, ugly, poor, a virgin, a player, just met them, friends with them, etc. all everyone sees is “holy shit who IS that guy that has these girls hitting on him like that???” That’s the power of locking-in…literally all he did was instead of standing there talking to them looking like he’s hitting on them, he engaged them with a routine and sat down as he was engaging them so that they would turn to face him (social instinct, when someone you’re talking to moves you turn your head to follow them…tho really alpha dudes sometimes won’t, but girls always do). Even if that set doesn’t go anywhere, any girls who saw that will be receptive as fuck to his approach later (even guys will be like dude you’re awesome and love him).
“Couldn’t think of anything to say further so set dies and give positive vibes as they leave.”
You gotta have shit to say. This is the stuff that tells me you’re not using strategy, because the conversation shouldn’t die. I can talk forever, I prefer to improvise on the spot but if I can’t think of something interesting I’ll just whip out something I know is interesting that I’ve used with other girls. The set shouldn’t “die”, like, that shouldn’t be possible. You should have a handful of good DHV’ing stories you can tell or engaging discussions you can bring out to keep the set going and buy yourself a little more time to show a little more value to earn a little more A2 etc.
Check out the multiple threading conversations Mystery describes, where he transitions into a bunch of different things and leaves them all open to come back to and leaves little hooks for the girls to bite on throughout the conversation. You can just jump from topic/routine to topic/routine, it doesn’t even have to make sense the girls don’t care they just live in the moment lol but over time you learn to smooth that out for your own fun, like I can direct the flow of the conversation into my personal routines easily because I’ve done it a lot and I can improvise. Like I don’t HAVE a routine for some girl making me buy her a drink and it going bad, but in the moment I know that I need a story along those lines for this situation and I know what elements it needs to have to be a DHV story, so I would be able to improvise one on the fly that has built in DHVs etc. It wouldn’t be flawless but I could refine it the next time that situation came up and it’ll be tighter and I’ll keep the set engaged longer.
So like, these are all VERY MINOR TWEAKS. They basically boil down to not asking for her name (showing interest) right away, leading the conversation, keeping them engaged, and taking a couple steps so you’re locked-in. Just those little strategic chess move adjustments could have led to a longer set where you build more attraction to where they actually WOULD buy you a drink and you can qualify the hot one and she WANTS to pass because you’ve built more attraction with her, you bring in a random dude to handle her friend, isolate, rapport, comfort, escalate, extract and now you’re banging the hot one of the two, or if it doesn’t go that far you’ll have an easier time banging a girl who sees you running that set, VS it just being some set that fizzled out and didn’t serve much purpose in the grand scheme of getting laid.
You might have just been warming up and shit, like I GET that, most of my first sets are just me fucking around and getting myself blown out to shake off the cobwebs and loosen up and entertain myself. I’m just writing this out so you can see the mindset shift that you want to start making in general. Chess, not checkers.
Ok next up:
“Get to bar see dude looking drunk or tired and ask him if he’s ok. He tells me to f off. Ok guy whose not getting laid.”
lol good you didn’t engage. Just don’t be around this energy, don’t try to solve their problems or anything. Not worth the effort or risk…even if you can do it you’re stuck with dead weight ’cause the guy isn’t going to be any benefit to you getting laid even if you get him to like you.
“Turn to other side and chat up and giving fun positive vibes to older gentlemen whose a really cool guy. Offered him a drink but although he appreciates offer declines because he has money and could tell we would be friends if more time was available.”
This stuff tells me that you don’t have a weird vibe or anything, like you’re not a socailly awkward dude, so that kind of thing is why I know you won’t have problems sharpening up your game. You’re executing techniques well, they just don’t have an overall structure that leads to specific goals.
“Order my non alcoholic beverage and HB8.5 bartender recognizes me saying how I’m there all the time getting that drink (in a 100+ person venue?) and doesn’t charge me”
ioi. You said it was midnight so she was probably too busy to really engage so not much more you can do with this in that moment, but in the future consider going to the bar an hour earlier when it’s less busy and engaging her in a deeper conversation. You might be able to bang her or at least become HEAVILY social proofed (to where she serves you before the hot girls in front of you, blowing those hot girls’ minds and making them curious, etc). I had a Natural buddy who would be bombarded with the smokin hot shooter girls running up to shout his name and hug him the second they saw him…panties dropping all around him as all the girls nearby see that happen lol
Just something to consider leveraging in the future.
“(How’s that for DHV. Probably should’ve left a tip though).”
It’s only a DHV if girls see it. 😉 Otherwise it’s just a cool memory for you.
On that note a big part of strategy is aligning things like that so that they create a domino effect. I alluded to it earlier with the hot girl and bartender set example at the start. Like, if I know this shooter girl is going to run up and hug me when she sees me, I’m going to AVOID HER like I’m Solid Snake till she’s beside a smokin hot set. Is she beside a bunch of dudes? Stay out of her line of sight. Is she behind the bar? Out of her line of sight. Is she near the entrance and no one’s really there? Out of her line of sight. Is she in a busy area but too busy to take notice of me? Out of her line of sight. Is she surrounded by people but in the middle of making money off an order? Out of her line of sight. Is she around some a hot set of girls and she’s not too occupied to say hello? NOW I’ll walk into her line of sight, and it’ll be in perfect view of that set, not off to the side or around a corner from it.
Little tiny tweaks that make all the difference in the world.
“Walked around and then next set attempted to merge sets. 3set guys and 4 set (3 HBs 1 guy) standing at table on patio that looked like they just met each other there. Shook hands with 3set. Opinion opener to HB on how to get a gf with a 1inch penis. She cracks up and then they spread it around group and they all crack up. They say they don’t know.”
lol all good stuff. Great approach, great opener/routine, good handling of the group. Again this comes down to “ok now how can I LEVERAGE this towards a bigger goal, even if I’m not interested in the girls in this set, what’s AROUND me that I can use this set to capitalize on?”
“She asks me for my name”
Here’s that A2 shit I was saying. If you had exchanged names with her as you went up so she already knew it then she doesn’t have this ioi to give you and you don’t have as easy a guage of how much attraction you have.
“and then I tell her and qualify her on her attire.”
Do you mean you complimented her, or teased/tested her on it to get her to qualify/justify herself to you? If it’s the former, consider doing the latter instead. Her giving you A2 isn’t enough to get your A3 (complimenting her), her giving you A2 is only enough to get you to tease/test (aka qualify) her to see if she tries to qualify herself and if she does THEN you can compliment her.
So if you’re going with attire-based stuff, instead of “that’s an interesting outfit, I like your style”, which she hasn’t earned yet ’cause all she’s done is given you A2 (her interest), you might do something like “what is up with that purse? You’re carrying a fuckin suitcase around the bar” teasing her so that she qualifies herself with like “lol omg I love this purse, look it bla bla” and THEN you can give her A3 with “lol ok I’m just bugging you, you actually have a cool style.”
It’s a very slight different in strategy, but these little differences are what spike and build attraction. They also get girls nearby curious of how you just made that chick burst out laughing and yap at you trying to win you over (they can pick that up from the body language). Also the set themselves loves you more because you’re teasing one of their friends in a fun way and she loves it and your value is just going up and up to all of them, which can benefit you later).
“She responds and then asks what I do here.”
More A2. You CAN get laid just doing what you’re doing, like, even that first HB7 2-set you can just wing it and it might turn into a lay. This girl you’ve made a “good enough” impression to have her interest. The difference is just that “good enough” COULD BE “over the top mind-blowing” with a few tweaks, know what I mean? It’s the difference between a bunch of flakey number closes you have to plow the girl to get, VS her demanding you take her number.
“I say bartender and how I’m tired of dating cocktails waitresses and am looking for a real relationship.”
lol solid reply, bringing the convo to relationships/sex, but this also sets yourself up as a Provider role instead of Lover role, unless you said it blatantly sarcastic/self-amusing so she knows you’re a player not a boyfriend. Irrelevant in this set, but something to consider if you use this one again…try something like “I’m a bartender…I have way too many commitment issues for a REAL relationship so I decided to bartend so I could just have an endless string of one night stands with cocktail waitresses and drunk girls…turns out they all have STANDARDS though, pfft. I’m going to be a virgin forever. :(” That’s not necessarily going to congruent to whatever your style of vibing is, but I have kind of a deadpan Van Wilder/Hank Moody thing where I bounce between cocky and self-depreciating to hit the right balance where I set a Lover frame but also take away the arrogance of it and become the “good fun” kind of Lover VS the “evil player” kind of Lover. And the “one night stand” stuff implies sex VS “dating cocktail waitresses” and “real relationship” which imply boyfriend stuff
My point is just consider what frame the things you say set. Always be directing yourself toward the Lover/sexual frame.
“She says she doesn’t know but her friends (Cuter) may.”
Logic dictates that she’s taken but her friend is single (probably recently single or just shy if her friend is taking the lead like that). If you WERE into the friend this would be a solid transition to her because you haven’t blatantly hit on this one so you wouldn’t get the “he hit on my friend but now he’s settling for me I don’t want to be his second option” negative response you would have gotten if you had been more aggressive. But since you’re not into her it’s irrelevant, I’m just making a note so you can look for these angles in these situations.
“Wasn’t interested in the girls there so I gave the group positive vibes as I left.”
All good. But before you extract ping your radar around the area and think about “is there anything I can use this set to move forward into”. Like say there’s a 2-set you’re into that’s walking around or you saw them dancing and you know based on your radar/logic that they’ll probably end up on the patio to cool off and chill out or do a lap soon. You COULD eject from this set as soon as the vibe dies, and then go find those girls inside, but you’re not getting any real benefit from that solid set you just ran. Instead if you pull out a story or some shit to keep the set going, or just keep building some rapport etc. and time ejecting for when you see the girls coming your way…throw in a well-timed thing that you know is going to get a group laugh and THEN go “ok I see my friends, I gotta go” and turn and open those girls who’ve just seen you make a set with girls in it laugh and you have social proof so they’re likely to be more receptive to you and you can engage them easier. The other set thinks they’re your friends, the girls think that set is your friends, nobody knows you don’t know fucking anyone but everyone loves you lol
I’ll sometimes stick out a lame set just because I see a set I actually want to open but they aren’t looking in our direction or they’re ordering a drink or some shit and I’ll time shit so that when they’re in a position where they’ll see my set and I, I’ll spike their Buying Temp and get a laugh and then go over to work into that set I want…but even then I might open an adjacent set instead of them directly, then bring them into the convo and switch to being in their set and they’re all warmed up because they’ve indirectly observed all the value I just demonstrated. They might not instantly want to fuck me but they should be a lot more receptive than they’d be if I just walked into the room and approached them ice cold directly.
“Walked around then saw older gentleman again on patio. Chatted him up on women. Tapped girls and introed them to him but they just said hi without moving. Then opened mixed sets around us since ppl kept bumping into him they were all friendly since I guess he was older. Peacocked due to disparity in ages. He was good at opening up ppl.”
lol probably made that dude’s month/year. I like to chat dudes who look like they feel kind of out of place up, a lot of times they’re super relieved to have someone make them feel comfortable in the environment. A lot of them are actually cool, they’re just stuck inside their head or intimidated by the venue etc. Also you usually get free drinks out of it lol
“He bought me a drink at same bar with earlier HBbartender (Another DHV).”
Solid, and something that will stand out to her, she may even ask “Was that your dad?” down the road lol Def consider going early sometime (just say your friends are running late or whatever), or on a slow off-night if that venue has one, and build some deeper rapport with her. And of course you’re going in with solid strategy if you DO that, like teasing her and making her work for your validation and getting into some deep rapport/comfort Juggler type stuff etc where she feels like you guys have a special connection (I wouldn’t rip lines directly out of MM/Juggler ’cause as a bartender she’s maybe heard some of them, but like, check CH or my archives for that 36 rapport questions article that went around a while back, fuck marry kill, that kind of shit).
“Went to dancefloor with him and grabbed girl’s hand and locked eyes however cb wasn’t having it.”
I don’t game on the dance floor much so not much advice here. A lot of it is Attraction-based which is great if you can keep it pumped to the close that night, but if you can’t pull that night a lot of that stuff will flake. I just don’t even bother with it lol but I know lots of guys do love dance floor game and could write about how to lead it somewhere. I’m a verbal guy and Comfort/Rapport is what gets solid consistency so I prefer that.
“Older gentleman complimented me on having balls then got tired so we exchanged numbers then he left.”
This kind of stuff is how you get invited to high-end private parties and trips and stuff if that’s a thing you want to do. It’s funny ’cause no matter how rich the dude is, if you can cold-approach in front of him and/or throw girls at him, he almost always views you as super high-value and wants to shower you with value in return when really all you’re doing is saying hello and running some nerd shit you read on the internet lol The surreal nature of that whole situation always makes me laugh.
…but also watch out for them being gay dudes. YOU NEVER KNOW MAN!! lol
“Clusterfuck set was around 2. Ppl around may have been aware of my presence earlier. Approach was to see how fast I could escalate that late at night and what sort of shit tests would be involved. Beeline approach through crowd before other 2 clowns would show up.”
lol if it was 2 then at that point a lot of solid game is just kind of out the window because shit is too chaotic and drunk and filled with drama for a lot of it to be noticable. I like to focus on 9pm-1am as my main window of like “I can actually run solid game”. Past 1am it’s like, there’s not a lot of point doing subtle DHV shit when the girl is freaking out that she lost her cel phone and her friend is sucking face on the dance floor etc If it’s warm out I’ll often bail on the club at 1am and do some laps around the bar district to open street sets to try to pull (for sex or food lol) because there’s less chaos on the street and some girls are ready to call it a night and just have a low-key afterparty etc…plus being sober and dealing with super drunk chicks/drama in the club is tiring when you’re past 30 like me and street sets while they’re still often drunk as fuck, are more spread out and less crazy if they’re sober-ish.
Anyway so there’s some advice. Hope it helps. The overall idea is take what you’re doing now and just put it into an actual over-arching strategy that leads somewhere consistently. Follow the MM structure, especially the A1-A2-A3-C1-C2 (from there it should be easy, this is the main section you do in the bar enviro). You’re doing good shit, everything’s on track, just focus more on “I’m going to move this pawn, then this knight, then they’ll move that pawn, then I’ll capture it leaving an opening for my bishop here and bam I’ll have the girl I want in check”, VS “I’m going to move this pawn! …now I’m going to move, I dunno, this other pawn and capture this piece I guess? Hopefully this helps somehow…”
Good luck, keep at it! You really don’t need much work.
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Bigass reply for you in mod with a bunch of advice and in-depth breakdown of your field report ’cause you were cool about my reply instead of being butthurt which tells me you’re actually working on your skills lol
I saved it so if it gets locked in mod forever I’ll post it again in this article’s comment section until it makes it thru mod so just search for your username till it shows up.
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Thanks Yareally you really nailed my weakpoints. I just finished MM a week or so ago so was throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks. Need to watch his seminars.
“The difference between what Mystery teaches and what you’re doing is that you’re performing actions as one-offs mostly independent of eachother, whereas Mystery teaches to layer everyting you’re doing into the next shit you do.”
I have some older field reports from a couple of weeks ago that aren’t as detailed as this one that accidentally hit on your points you brought up if you have the inclination to give advice while CH goes on doing whatever he’s doing right now.
“Ask her for her name again
Why? This is A3 (male to female interest, aka showing interest in her) but you haven’t really qualified her on anything to deserve your A3. You have A2 (female to male interest, aka iois) ’cause she was checking you out, but the bridge from her showing interest to you showing interest back is her being qualified and passing a qualifier, impressing you and EARNING your interest.”
Figured I was continuing on the path of pretending we both knew each other but good to know.
“This stuff tells me that you don’t have a weird vibe or anything, like you’re not a socailly awkward dude, so that kind of thing is why I know you won’t have problems sharpening up your game. You’re executing techniques well, they just don’t have an overall structure that leads to specific goals.”
Grew up with a younger female sibling as well as extended family nearby that were around my age who were considered attractive by others so I always understood how retarded girls were. I was always friendly and joked around with other ppl in school and they would do the same both guys and girls so I had no reason to change my personality. Easily made friends with everyone up throughout high school of all cliques and social classes. Cool guys from older classes would invite me out to stuff and girls would give me their phone number. The popular girls would always call to annoy me late at night. Never told my parents any of this since they were super religious. Never really asked anyone for help with girls since I considered myself normal looking and average smarts (Clearly both I realized are not true) so I was very humble and gave off a friendly approachable vibe which girls liked. Life just always seemed to go to plan and I always seemed to get lucky with stuff. Unfortunately at some point in life being friendly has a ceiling. Even now I have to work on having a more forceful personailty and having an edge around ppl. My vibe is probably why I get amogged so much so I have to draw the line quickly.
Generally me talking with super hbs would be more along the lines of I could see them together or guys giving me the thumbs up rather than why is she with that bum?
“and then I tell her and qualify her on her attire.”
Also forgot to mention before this part that I gestured to the dudes that they all had big penises so they didn’t have that problem. She said she didn’t know what theirs looked like.
Asked her why she was so dressed up. Said she just got off work and didn’t have time to get ready and her friends dragged her out here.
“I say bartender and how I’m tired of dating cocktails waitresses and am looking for a real relationship.”
This was said in a sarcastic manner but not sure she picked up on that. Points on lover frame are well taken though.
“…but also watch out for them being gay dudes. YOU NEVER KNOW MAN!! lol”
He was one of those $=women type guys so I’m good here.
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“Thanks Yareally you really nailed my weakpoints. I just finished MM a week or so ago so was throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks. Need to watch his seminars.”
I like the seminars more because you can tell he’s passionate about what he’s teaching and he gives a lot of examples and personal experiences. It’s a bigger time investment than the book but I feel like it gives a better overall understanding of everything and makes it more relatable. Obviously his actual routines themselves are outdated/generic and a lot of them are a bit obnoxious and just apply to him (like I roll my eyes during some of them) but like, look at the underlying STRUCTURE of his stories and what they convey (DHV qualities) and how they convey them and think about how you would do the same with your own stories and how you can tell your stories better by adding little DHVs into them and interesting plot twists and punchlines and refine them into a story that’s captivating and goes somewhere or sets a specific frame you want or reveals something about you that will help you get the lay etc.
Are you gonna be able to tell a 10 min long story in a high-energy nightclub? Probably not lol but all the more reason to understand the actual structure so that in a chaotic environment you can DHV faster and spike their build attraction more efficiently.
The idea is that there’s X number of switches a girl needs flipped to fuck you (outside of just lucky Fool’s Mate). Most guys fumble around and eventually stumble into flipping those switches by the 3rd date, or like they only hit on girls who already like them (social circle or Approach Invites etc.) so half the switches are already flipped and they just have to fumble around to get the last few.
But MM is teaching you how to flip them as fast/efficient as possible. And if you enjoy the high-energy type game ’cause you’re young and in high-energy venues then you can combine the two so that you’re not just playing a numbers game but like, when you spin-hug a girl and pull her in you go right into solid qualifying, or when you’re on a dance floor and grab a number you know to qualify her first and make her say your name and disqualify her if she doesn’t remember it etc. so that she’s more invested and you get less flaking. That kind of thing.
“Figured I was continuing on the path of pretending we both knew each other but good to know.”
Oh I getcha, you were saying it in an “as if we’ve exchanged names before when we haven’t already” thing. That’s a solid move in general, but just be aware that anything with a name exchange is throwing away an easy ioi for her to drop on you when she’s attracted to let you know how much attraction you have (and thus how much compliance you can ask for or how fast you should escalate or if she isn’t asking your name you know she’s probably not that attracted yet and you should do more A1 etc.). Like, the benefits of NOT asking for her name can outweigh the benefits of asking her name even if the way you ask her name is really clever/fun (which the way you were doing it IS that).
“I was always friendly and joked around with other ppl in school and they would do the same both guys and girls so I had no reason to change my personality.”
One of Tyler’s oldschool quotes that always stuck with me was: “In High School we all chose an identity not even that would make people LIKE us, but that would just avoid the risk of making people DISLIKE us.” Like the friendly inoffensive Nice Guy that nobody hates but, when you get older, girls aren’t really creaming themselves over in a bar lol
All in all it sounds like you have a solid background though. You’ll do epic if you add some structure to your shit. You have a toolbox of shiny tools instead of a bunch of broken tools duct-taped together like a lot of guys start with, you just need to focus on applying them efficiently building toward a skyscraper, VS just randomly hammering nails into shit.
“Unfortunately at some point in life being friendly has a ceiling. Even now I have to work on having a more forceful personailty and having an edge around ppl. My vibe is probably why I get amogged so much so I have to draw the line quickly.”
Ya, you’ll get a handle on this. I used to not swear or talk about sex and would get uncomfortable around sexual/offensive humor etc. (I was a super hard-case Nice Guy nerd) but forced myself through it and to get more comfortable with it and to take chances with it and see “hmm, not only did nothing bad happen, THIS girl giggled when I made a sexual comment wtf?? Maybe I CAN be a little more edgy…”
“Also forgot to mention before this part that I gestured to the dudes that they all had big penises so they didn’t have that problem. She said she didn’t know what theirs looked like.”
Solid disarming of the dudes. If the guy in her group was her boyfriend she’d have said “I only know what HIS looks like” so she’s also kind of letting you know that logistics-wise the dude in her group probably isn’t banging her, and since she passed you off to her friend he isn’t banging the friend, which means he’s either an orbiter chode social circle guy, a brother, or boyfriend to the 3rd girl. Doesn’t mean a lot but it’s good to look for little things like that to establish who’s who. Mystery’s a fan of “how do you all know eachother?” to figure that stuff out but I tend to just look for cues like this (admittedly doing it this way is more prone to error lol I just like trying to figure it out for fun). I would look at body language to confirm my guess of who the guy is with, if any of them, or if he’s just a hapless Nice Guy from work or some shit. And of course if when she said she didn’t know what theirs looked like and was only referencing the other set of dudes you merged and not the dude in her group then that guy could be a boyfriend. SO MUCH PUZZLEZ. lol This stuff is all stuff I calculate in a split second on the fly, it just sounds long and complicated when it’s written out like this. All these little things give me an idea of exactly what I’m working with and who I can ignore, who I need to win over, who I need to avoid looking like a threat in front of (maybe that dude isn’t her boyfriend but he KNOWS she has a boyfriend so I have to be more subtle etc) who’s going to be an obstacle later, etc.
“Asked her why she was so dressed up. Said she just got off work and didn’t have time to get ready and her friends dragged her out here.”
With dressed up girls (my personal preference, love them, and I just wear a t-shirt and jeans out lol) I always throw in “shit, you’re making me feel underdressed. I’m all self-conscious now. People are looking at us like why is she talking to that bum? Doesn’t she have any standards? She must be wasted. (then seague into “How drunk ARE you right now? What’s that, you’re slurring.” buying-temp spiking teasing)” Compliment + self-depreciation is powerful when you’re a good-looking dude and she’s average…elevates her value and shows you don’t take yours seriously so you’re on the same level.
“This was said in a sarcastic manner but not sure she picked up on that. Points on lover frame are well taken though.”
Ya, if it was clearly sarcastic then it’s all good, but I would still reword it slightly. A lot of game is about “you CAN say that, and that will be a GOOD thing to say…but if you tweak it very slightly it becomes an even BETTER thing to say, and if you tweak it juuuust a bit more it becomes the OPTIMAL thing to say”. A lot of guys get stuck “going sideways” in an interaction instead of “going forward”, they’re just floundering around keeping the interaction going but not really taking it anywhere. For me I’m always trying to lead it forward toward a goal.
Even in that “underdressed” line I just mentioned I’m going from compliments to spiking her temp to, since I know she’s attracted after a spike, qualifying her on being drunk, which I know she’ll try to defend herself on because she’s attracted and if I want to I can use that to move into A3 (something I would run because I have a rambling verbose style (think Van Wilder or Hank Moody) would be “oh you’re sober, good, my harem of cocktail waitresses is always drunk…I’m starting to think it’s because they have to put up with me. Careful, a few months with me and you’ll be an alcoholic, crying into your wine bottle “Why won’t he call me??””…something a normal dude could run that achieves the same goal would just be like “oh you’re sober, good, I can’t stand dating drunk chicks.”) Both ways of doing it are rewarding her with an SOI (being glad/impressed she’s sober) for qualifying herself when I teased her calling her drunk and working toward implying “future projection” that we’re going to be together in the future.
Like ignore the words I’m saying, it’s the structure I’m applying that is the key. It’s moving toward the goal of getting her comfortable picturing her and I knowing eachother in the future and what that life would be like and a bit of an emotional rollercoaster in the verbose one and an SOI etc. etc.
Your HB7 2-set was kind of similar…it just kind of went sideways. It wasn’t going anywhere BAD, but you also weren’t leading it toward getting laid, so it becomes just another “okay set” where it wasn’t really a blowout and they actually liked you but it just kind of fizzled and faded. Having a structure/goal and leading toward it can turn sets like that into lays (or at LEAST super-solid #-closes).
“He was one of those $=women type guys so I’m good here.”
Befriend him and you may end up partying on a yatch with girls he pays to be there who think you’re cool/attractive because you didn’t have to pay lol
Keep it up, have fun, you’ll kill this shit in no time with your attitude.
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@ Yareally. Going to continue using this semi echo chamber until I see a game post.
“Obviously his actual routines themselves are outdated/generic and a lot of them are a bit obnoxious and just apply to him (like I roll my eyes during some of them) All in all it sounds like you have a solid background though. You’ll do epic if you add some structure to your shit. You have a toolbox of shiny tools instead of a bunch of broken tools duct-taped together like a lot of guys start with”
See what you mean. Been out with people and randoms have come up and talked and acted EXACTLY like Mystery. Come on. Some even style themselves after him. Still let them do their thing though.
Probably would really hit it off with limitless exp on youtube (I’m not his shape though). Just a really cool dude and if I wasn’t in an office we’d do some random stupid stuff together. He’s smoother but I’d be the funnier but quieter guy if that makes sense.
“ioi. You said it was midnight so she was probably too busy to really engage so not much more you can do with this in that moment, but in the future consider going to the bar an hour earlier when it’s less busy and engaging her in a deeper conversation. You might be able to bang her or at least become HEAVILY social proofed (to where she serves you before the hot girls in front of you, blowing those hot girls’ minds and making them curious, etc).”
Probably will use her as social proof since it’s a regular spot for me and rather continue at the buffet line than eat the steak and maybe never get invited back.
Yareally your strategy on HBs as pivots and spiking bt plus dress routine makes a lot of sense so here’s how I would use it in this older field report and you can see if you would make any changes:
Thursday before holiday this month went to same venue around midnight to shake off the cobwebs from work. Around 20 ppl there. Probably the best looking dude there so even though I’m being a little girl and hanging inside my own head not talking to anybody HBs are still being “sticky” around me. I’m in the middle of bar (has 3 sides) by the dance floor not talking to anyone and guy is about to order his drink next to me. HB7.5-8 comes up on opposite side of guy (he’s in the middle of me and her) looks over and smiles. I smile back we say hey and she cheerily asks me what I’m ordering. I say alcoholic beverage (damnit) and then she asks the guy next to me and he says the same beverage. HB7.5 says she will order 2 drinks for her the guy and then he can get my drink since she had a $20 (huh?). They get their drinks and then he spends the next 5-10 minutes trying to get my drink but bartender is being slow. I:m still hanging inside my head not talking to him or anybody. He finally gets exasperated since they’re busy and not paying attention to him and he leaves the bar area. I just get a non alcoholic beverage after that.
While still waiting to get beverage 3set HB8-8.5s super well dressed foreign girls (don’t you wish everyone dressed like this) come in and say hi to staff on the side of the bar (a bit aways from me). After they say hi they approach that side of the bar, look over and 2 of the 3 give a half second lip bite. They head out to the patio after that to smoke. 1 back to me, 1 facing her, 1 off to the side. I get my drink and pick up my balls to go say something. Now here’s what I would do with your advice: (ex+variation of your attire qualifier(stalker dhv,tease”you kind of…” “hey! you’re not…” then get her qualifying, joke, (intro here to defuse any cbs?),then qualify, soi)
Instead here is what I do… Before any of them had lit their cigarette tap HB8-8.5 who was on the side, say hi she does the same and says hey. In a kind of serious voice tell her how she shouldn’t smoke since she was already beautiful (ugh). She says thanks then they all give each other that giggly smile. (Come on. Work brain. Biggest softball ever. Hammer to brain) But brain refused to cooperate so just turned around and saw that HB7.5 from earlier was there and another dude was there on the patio (They were several feet away from each other) He was looking at me and she was acting like she was at justin beiber concert. Since brain never turned on just left and read up on negs again
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@The Awakened One
You’ve been given some truly amazing breakdowns by YaReally, great stuff. Since you seem open to improving I’ll mention one thing for you to consider. You mention your looks several times. Stop even thinking about it. It’s a severe limiting belief and WILL retard your game development. I say this as an above average looking guy.
Don’t compare yourself to other guys based on looks, hell you shouldn’t really compare yourself at all to other guys. You will see hot girls going home (the true test – not who they talk to, give numbers, make out with etc.) with all kinds of guys looks wise. Thinking about your looks leads to looking for IOI’s and then you end up stagnating with 7’s. Just focus on your game, on all the great MM stuff Ya’s explained and then you will find yourself being the chooser, not the chosen.
Every girl has a Rubik’s Cube in her head, solve it and legs open. Looks are not much of a factor in that equation. Except for one thing, it’s more of a handicap, you will need to calibrate more with the 7 and below range of girl, very, very light negging, really make sure your delivery is not too sharp. These girls – if they are not obviously into you – are already trying to preemptively DQ themselves to avoid rejection. Some enjoy blowing off a better looking guy, especially when they are in groups.
Have fun.
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“Going to continue using this semi echo chamber until I see a game post.”
I think 10 articles in a row complaining about black people and politics is a new record. If everyone was focusing on game instead of bitching like women all day there’d be more of those white babies they want to fix all these problems with lol
“(ex+variation of your attire qualifier(stalker dhv,tease”you kind of…” “hey! you’re not…” then get her qualifying, joke, (intro here to defuse any cbs?),then qualify, soi)”
I have no idea what this says lol
That original set with the drink-buying girl should be on your radar so you know where your easy social-proof is around the bar so you can time shit nicely. If she’s on the patio and so are those girls then you go to her first and spike her Buying Temp in front of them so she’s giggling away. They’ll notice. If the dude on the patio is the drink-buying guy I would call him over and bullshit with him about what an asshole that bartender is. Now you’re showing some leader-of-men shit by being cooler than another dude in front of the 3-set.
Now you have two dynamics going: 1) you have a babysitter for your drink-buying girl that you know is harmless, if he had any game he’d have been up in her grill already so he can keep other guys away from her till you come back if you can’t get the 3-set, and 2) you ARE a 3-set now and have two people who can help you distract the girl you want’s friends. Merge forward opening the 3-set casually over the shoulder with the bartender topic but open her friends instead of her ideally, and just be I don’t know like “hey how long did you guys take to get a drink. Ya that guy’s an asshole he made my buddy here wait for like 15 min ignoring him”. Easy to transition from here into either complimenting them like “guess we gotta’ dress as hot as you girls to get his attention” or escalating “(look one of them up and down) hmmm on second thought I don’t blame him for ignoring us for you girls”, or teasing “I bet you girls have NEVER waited for a drink in your whole goddamn life lol how many guys’ hearts are breaking right now just watching us flirt”, or playful asshole shit “personally I would cut you girls off you’re too drunk, look this one (one of the obstacles) is wobbling, what’s that drunk girl (to the other obstacle) you’re slurring?” etc etc whatever’s congruent to you and calibrated in-set.
The point is engage everyone before finally engaging her. Ideally keep engaging her friends until she tries to get your attention but if you’re in a hurry you can probably just engage her directly after all this. Main thing is making her qualify for your attention, whether you do it the slow MM way of letting her chase your attention and then qualifying her, or the faster way (see the Julien PIMP vids on YouTube I link about it) where you instigate it.
From there build toward a solid close, or isolate/escalate, approval of her friends, etc. etc.should all be easy from there.
Main difference is treating the entire bar like a set instead of bee-lining for her. You can GET her that way, like that CAN work, but you’re gonna run into a lot less consistency and more flakes and more cockblocks that way VS what I just described where she’s going to be like “holy shit I’ve met the most amazing guy, he owns the room and my friends LOVE him and I had to impress him and I feel so special because I passed his qualifiers and got him! I’m the luckiest girl int he world!!”
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@The Awakened One
On looks: note that nothing I’ve described involved “grow a few more inches” or “stand in a pose that flexes your muscles” etc A short fat dude could execute the shit I’m describing. In fact he’d benefit more because he doesn’t look like the type that SHOULD be able to do any of this, so there’s more of an “I don’t get it, is he a celebrity or something?” curiosity to it.
It’s all subcomms and raising value and playing off human (and especially female) psychology.
Most of the guys (not you, just in the Manosphere in general) who piss and moan (or brag) about looks are guys who would read what I’m describing and either 1) not get it or why it works, or 2) think it’s too much work and go back to shotgun blasting SOIs at girls and dealing with like a 90% flake rate and fuck another HB7 they settled for at the end of the night when they choked with the HB9 in a mixed set that they ACTUALLY wanted, or 3) happily go home with an HB6 that approached them all “you’re really cute” because it was easy and “she was DTF bro”
Barely anyone even reads MM anymore let alone puts in the hours/effort to learn how to execute this shit in-field and custom tailor it to their personality/vibe so they don’t just look like weird Mystery Wannabes.
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Awakened – just to add to what Sentient said about looks: I’ve been in Game for 9 years since I had my MM seminar (although 5-6 years of that was wasted on an LTR, and I started from a place of pretty epic betaness).
I’ve been out a lot and on a lot of dates, and I can say I have NEVER, not ONCE felt my looks were a disadvantage, or that it was my looks that made me fail. I’ve failed plenty and succeeded occasionally (including a few fools mates where girls came and complimented me on my looks, in my pre-Game days and I didn’t know how to react). But the looks? Never an issue (online is a different story)
And I say this as an average looking “ethnic” dude who is 5’10”, albeit with a good job and prestigious career. That’s not to say you deliberately have to go out looking like crap with bad breath and ill-fitting clothes (unless as a training exercise like YaReally recommends) – by all means dress well and get in shape because it is good for you and will help you, but it’s not the heart of the matter.
YaReally – much appreciate the breakdowns on “strategic thinking” – this is new stuff from you I think – I’ve never seen any posts on ths before. I did the full MM seminar back in the day and I know about merging sets etc, but never had it explained so clearly before – great stuff.
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@Culum
“You’ve been given some truly amazing breakdowns by YaReally, great stuff. Since you seem open to improving I’ll mention one thing for you to consider. You mention your looks several times. Stop even thinking about it. It’s a severe limiting belief and WILL retard your game development. I say this as an above average looking guy.”
Yareally’s strategic insight is really invaluable. My first HB10 I’ll bang in his honor. Lol.
Have a HB10 field report (earlier action) to post up soon.
“Don’t compare yourself to other guys based on looks, hell you shouldn’t really compare yourself at all to other guys. You will see hot girls going home (the true test – not who they talk to, give numbers, make out with etc.) with all kinds of guys looks wise. Thinking about your looks leads to looking for IOI’s and then you end up stagnating with 7’s. Just focus on your game, on all the great MM stuff Ya’s explained and then you will find yourself being the chooser, not the chosen.”
“Barely anyone even reads MM anymore let alone puts in the hours/effort to learn how to execute this shit in-field and custom tailor it to their personality/vibe so they don’t just look like weird Mystery Wannabes.”
As a ToTH guy plus a relatively low sex drive rather go for the HBs and leave empty handed then settle. Even if it takes years I’ll master the mm skillset so I can get to that level. Before I get older and start getting or feeling waves of judgement from ppl and have ppl asking questions on why I haven’t settled down with anyone yet.
Growing up my looks weren’t something that I thought about since I just felt and acted like a normal kid. Even in high school my mindset was “I’m a friendly and funny guy. Why wouldn’t people want to talk to me. Why wouldn’t all the girls be friendly with me.” It wasn’t even “yeah I’m the shit” or “I’m cool” and yet that seemed to make everyone think I was cool.
It was after high school and on a study abroad program where I befriended some naturals who taught me the ways of women even though they didn’t explain it well. They told me I’m a good looking guy so do things like stand up tall, dress well, don’t smile so much, crude humor, or they would tell me a girl likes me and tell me to go talk to her. In this country I got a bazillion iois and girls would always come up to me and tell me how attractive I am.
Even in broad daylight now I get iois regular so they’re just a normal part of life to me. I know objectively I am a good looking guy so I’m wiring it into my internals like “I’m a sexy mfer. Of course any girl would be lucky to get my d. I just haven’t showed you yet. I make any girl look good. I work on myself everyday. What can you do for me aside from being beautiful like all the other girls.” Otherwise I get approach anxiety and don’t cold approach. Perhaps a better and healthier internal would be “I have a d so of course you want it. If you go on a ride with me it will be the best ride ever. what can you do for me though.”
@yareally
“(ex+variation of your attire qualifier(stalker dhv,tease”you kind of…” “hey! you’re not…” then get her qualifying, joke, (intro here to defuse any cbs?),then qualify, soi)”
I have no idea what this says lol”
Didn’t notice the drink buying hb since she was behind a wall (Although now will know to start playing chess and the whole place as one set like you said) Was going for your strategy for well dressed girls as if I was just going to cold or (really warm) approach the 3 set.
Something like the crazy ex opener used on the 2 set hb7s before then make a remark on the HBwell dressed attire that reminded me of a HB that was good in bed but didn’t click with me and then she got stalkery and leaving me messages etc. etc. Then tease HBwell dressed on how she looked like her. Then “Hey! You’re not a stalker are you?” Cold read on how she seems clingy. Then after she qualifies, say how I’m joking and then do introductions with everyone to defuse any cbs. Then qualify on aside from stalking what she does for fun. Then give a soi and transition into comfort.
“That original set with the drink-buying girl should be on your radar so you know where your easy social-proof is around the bar so you can time shit nicely. If she’s on the patio and so are those girls then you go to her first and spike her Buying Temp in front of them so she’s giggling away. They’ll notice. If the dude on the patio is the drink-buying guy I would call him over and bullshit with him about what an asshole that bartender is. Now you’re showing some leader-of-men shit by being cooler than another dude in front of the 3-set.”
Will just do this instead from now on rather than my original thoughts based on your suggestions.
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Give her an interesting short backstory.
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re condom / counter girl game – being funny may get you a giggle, but it also breaks any sexual tension. Coming up with witty one liners can easily fall flat; not because its not funny, but I honestly don’t think women (especially hot ones) get sharp wit. They just aren’t quick on the uptake and will more than likely stare at you with a blank look, or ask what you said – then you’re repeating the joke which is never funny the second time around, or even worse, explaining the joke.
Swagger alpha style up to the counter. Place down and slide over box in a slow but purposeful motion. Keep solid laser eyes on cashier.
Pick a place in town you will be at havin a good time and that she will definitely know and ‘tell’ her to meet you there later. Don’t ask, tell. If you gave her the right tingles she will be there.
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Deface the barcode so she is required to go over the store intercom and request a price check.
File this under it will never happen in ‘merica, but the security agent doing bag screening in Geneva airport was a young hottie. I left some liquids in my bag and as she was rifling through it I got a tension filled smile as she noticed the ample supply of condoms in the front pocket of my bag.
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Lawyer up pronto. A judgment against you could severely impact your future including your right to carry a firearm, future employment and housing, child custody…
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“I swear I’m only going go use them as balloons!” with a confident smile.
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CH: “Or implied preselection game: “Do you guys have a bulk buying policy?” ”
lzozlzozllzozlzlz. Literally laughed out loud. See, this is why CH is the teacher, and I am the student.
I can admit it. I ain’t in CH’s league. The cool thing is that a man can have a sex life by simply internalizing and applying 50% of what CH teaches.
Thanks, CH.
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Ask hows her evening is and make small talk while buying the condoms, then after the condoms are purchased while holding the condoms in your hand ask her if shes free tonight? and tell her that she seems like a cool person.Make eye contact all the time and tap the condom packet like a slow beat into the palm of your other hand while asking.
Note: No need for jokes here, simply ask her out with the condoms in hand. Thats more than funny enough, but you have to have very high self esteem to pull it off in the correct charming way. You have to send of the signal that you are serious, but at the same time you obviously have great humour and confidence. I like my comment so much I might in fact go and try this out for myself.
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