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Face-Saving Recovery Game

July 31, 2015 by CH

A good test of your game is how well you handle your image when you’re thrown a curve ball by an impish cosmic overseer.

Reader dirkdiggly relays an excellent demonstration of face-saving recovery game.

O/t but amusing all the same: had a great reframe/lemonade from lemons experience at the library today.

Cutie in a glass windowed study room catches my eye as I walk past. I smirk big at her, only to walk right into a concrete pillar (slowly, but it hurt nonetheless). Reeling from sudden shame and pain on display, I pulled a fist dramatically down from the sky with a mouthed “yusssss” and then made the “call me?” gesture. She laughed hard, recovered, and…blew me a kiss!

Charlie Chaplin silent movie game?

What do women love?

Well, a lot of things, but they really swoon for

a. unpredictable men,

b. playful men, and

c. men with masterful state control.

dirkdiggly pulled off the trifecta. He did something 99.9% of men wouldn’t do, he did it playfully, and he showed how quickly he was able to recover from an embarrassing social miscue that would have left lesser men (betas) scuttling off in red-faced horror.

All these alpha male traits… together, what do they telegraph to women?

Simple.

ZERO FUCKS GIVEN.

The banner of the charismatic jerkboy.

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Commenter natphilosopher asks (trolls?),

I had almost the same experience 30 odd years ago, only I was driving when I spotted her, and barely recovered with a Bond-like maneuver in my red RX-7.
Led to I still remember fondly that-very-evening. Erin if you’re out there… you’d be too old for me now.

But CH: you don’t remark on the obvious thing this transmits, which is kind of opposite your point. It obviously begins with her literally turning your head, to the point where you missed something you obviously wouldn’t ordinarily, thus demonstrating to her that you really, no fooling, find her special. Which kind of implies you do give a fuck about her, no?

Ok, how many CH readers are on the spectrum? Raise your hands, I need to get a head count so I know how many times I need to repeat basic concepts and bang my hand against my forehead until I black out.

I keed, I keed. But seriously, you guys are overthinking irrelevancies. Aspiring to EPIC LEVEL ZERO FUCKS GIVEN alpha maleness doesn’t mean becoming a blind monk immune to the charms of women.

ZFG alphas love women, love their sexiness and their pretty faces and feminine demeanors, and sometimes like to let their raging desire run wild. This fact of life is in no way contradictory to one of the prime game directives to show “active disinterest” toward women you want to bed, at least early on when women are judging your sexual market worth.

Think of it this way: You aren’t a eunuch who never lets women know your sexual intentions. But you are a man with illimitable options (or a man who has crafted an image of one having illimitable dating options) who impresses women with the attitude that you can TAKE HER OR LEAVE HER. That’s the pure energy of the alpha male attitude. You show interest in women, AND you show a willingness to walk, through a number of behavioral cues, when you aren’t getting what you want out of the interaction.

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  1. on July 31, 2015 at 6:48 am stateside

    First.

    I usually lose it in the middle stage. When I have to give some fucks or at least pretend to. As soon as I enter into some rapport there is a nagging feeling in the back of my head saying that this girl will not think so highly of you now.

    [CH: oof, you have horrible inner game. time for a reframe. you should say to yourself, “this girl is nervous that i won’t think highly of her now”]

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  2. on July 31, 2015 at 6:50 am stateside

    What is the right amount of balance between both.

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  3. on July 31, 2015 at 6:53 am The Old Codger

    “ZERO FUCKS GIVEN”, though, means you have come to understand that women are replaceable, such that you no longer believe the oneitis-inspired “soulmate” crappola..

    “NEXT!” is truly the first step to mastery with women

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 8:26 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      if da GBFM had a pocket full of fux
      with more in da car
      and dozens more at home
      and she said
      please GBFM, give a fuk about me!

      da gbfm say
      i don’t give
      a fuk

      and da gbfm walk away
      with his pocketful of fux
      intact

      lozozlozozozzo

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 4:09 pm anonymous

        Well I wazs eazsin’ down da highways in a new Cadillacsz,
        I had a fine fox in front, I had three mo’ in the back.
        (but ginasexez onlyies no butthex only ginasex)
        They sportin’ short dresses, wearin’ spike-heeled shoes,
        They smokin’ Lucky Strikes, wearing nylon too.
        Well I’m back, and I’m nationwide.
        Yeah we bad, we’re nationwidez.

        Well I was movin’ down the road in my V-8 Ford,
        I had a shine on my boots, I had my sideburns lowered.
        With my New York brim and my gold tooth displayed,
        Nobody give me trouble cause they know I got it made.
        I’m bad, I’m nationwide.
        Girl I’m bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, I’m nationwide.

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  4. on July 31, 2015 at 6:55 am Face-Saving Recovery Game | Manosphere.com

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  5. on July 31, 2015 at 6:56 am Captain Obvious

    > “at the library today… a glass windowed study room…” ——— That right there is a pretty strong filter for IQ >= 120, which makes her vastly more amenable to abstract humor. Whereas if t*h*w*a*c*k had had an equivalent experience at a Bojangles in Compton, CA, then – gosh, I dunno – pull out a 9mm and point it at the beeyotch and dare her to laugh at him?

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 8:30 am James Blonde

      Nice try, cracker. I pick up all the fat, white, tatted-up bishes at the Stockton Walmart. Easiest pussy ever…

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:39 am mendozatorres

        It’s the Waffle House pussy you gotta watch out for. True story.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:50 am Greg Eliot

        Hell, it’s the Waffle House food.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 9:45 am BigAl

        Blue waffle

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 11:38 am Captain Obvious

        Downmarket Waitress Game – when you absolutely positively HAVE to get laid.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm porkyboy

        Liar. There are no white people left in Stockton — it’s 100% fecesskins, all on welfare, no one working, and so the city went bankrupt. Coming soon to the entire FUSA.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 10:04 am Survivorman

      “Affle Haus” All the “food” is the same color there..

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      Perhaps she was just the cleaner dusting the furniture.

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  6. on July 31, 2015 at 6:59 am Face-Saving Recovery Game | Neoreactive

    […] By CH […]

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  7. on July 31, 2015 at 7:10 am Jay

    My niece, a Brazilian blond of 18 years, met her husband, a man 13 years older, in exactly the situation described. She was out with friends at a club in Rio. He was walking and staring at her. He walked into a column. Then he went over to her and said, “You’ve made me make a fool of myself. At least tell me your name”. They’ve been together for over a decade and have a son.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 7:25 am Captain Obvious

      You mean she’s 28+ now? Otherwise he would have been hitting on an 8-year-old. PS: She needs to be pushing out more than one child. Do what you can to encourage more beautiful blond babies FTW.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 7:32 am Jay

        My first sentence was obviously describing a past event, Captain Obvious. The racial politics of Brasil are pretty hopeless. I’ll just let my relatives by marriage proceed without my advice.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 7:41 am quorasdesignatedasshole

        I think he means she was 18 when she met her husband.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:06 am themanofmystery2

        Your name has never been more appropriate as to comprehending his points. What do you think he meant?

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:13 am Anonymous

        Hey, if 8 was good enough for Mohammed, who are you to criticize?

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:17 am Captain Obvious

        If I may pre-empt my main man, Herr Doktor Professor Whorefinder: Statutory Rape Game FTW.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:22 am Captain Obvious

        Also, if she’s 28+, then she really needs to be pushing out more beautiful blond babies now, while she still can. Boys From Brazil Game FTW.

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  8. on July 31, 2015 at 7:26 am Skinner

    Coal-burning slore is a professional dildo-tester.
    Really.
    Yes, this is now an actual paying job in Britain. Nuke it from a height now, please.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/professional-sex-toy-tester-reckons-6169530

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 8:03 am Greg Eliot

      To be fair, a sandshark isn’t quite as nasty as a mudshark.

      Point taken, though.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 8:09 am themanofmystery2

      https://www.facebook.com/karleen.howden.5?fref=ts She certainly appears to be sexy enough to fuck. Too bad @ the mystery meat lip-locking her.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 9:32 am Skinner

        Unconvinced. She looks like JK Rowling with plastic tits and crappy tats.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 10:42 am mendozatorres

        Eesh…that face! Yikes!

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 1:56 pm corvinus

        A literal Desi…

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  9. on July 31, 2015 at 7:28 am Anonymous

    Is Don Draper playful?

    [CH: in his way, yes. (check how he teases megan)]

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  10. on July 31, 2015 at 8:15 am Anonymous

    If your wife will only have sex with you half the time you want would it be wrong to get it somewhere else?

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:36 pm JohnDSee

      The whole ‘husband pleading for sex from his put upon wife’ thing has always seemed more a media creation to me. I’ve only ever chosen women who can’t seem to get enough of me. It can be trying at times, of course, but I’ve NEVER been the sap who needs to beg for sex. I’ve been witness to males who beg, but they are few and far.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 4:58 pm 88

        “I’ve only ever chosen women who can’t seem to get enough of me.”

        right there is half the battle. smart man.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 6:54 pm Sentient

        “The whole ‘husband pleading for sex from his put upon wife’ thing has always seemed more a media creation”

        Thousands of guys at TAM and MMSL would disagree with you…

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm Regular John

      Did the wife promise to love you, comfort you, honor and keep you half the time?

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 5:32 pm The Other Anonymous

      Maybe She’s already doing that …

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 6:52 pm Sentient

      If you have to ask for permission from anonymous posters… it’s not for you. Just don’t.

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  11. on July 31, 2015 at 8:15 am Sentient

    AOTW nominee – James Woods

    MIT grad, rumored 180 IQ, respected professional stage and screen, poker player, speaks his mind in the hivemindiest of environments… Suing nony Twatter defamer for sport… LOL…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/31/james-woods-who-played-cokehead-on-screen-sues-twitter-user-who-called-him-a-cocaine-addict/

    Oh yeah… EPIC slayer of poon. At 68 YO current GF is 20…

    And a (very partial) past gallery… Hat Tip to Mr. Woods… Living the DPA life.

    http://cdn.cnwimg.com/galleryThumb/25f318afb32327705127a586c50e1a4f.jpg?a=b7ff44

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:00 pm Jay

      Woods was on a flight pre-911 that was apparently an Al Qaeda training run. He contacted the FBI to report his conclusion that the group of Arabs on his flight could have seized control, but the Federal Bureau of Idiots blew him off. They could have changed history if they had been as smart as Woods.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm mendozatorres

      Nice. He had Heather Graham too in her heyday. Diggstown is the film where I think they met.

      Love his twitter feeds!

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 4:19 pm anonnnnnnn

        diggstown is a fucking classic! they dont make em like that anymore…

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 9:51 pm Survivorman

      $$$ – Money talks.. and procures sweet, young moist poon..

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 9:14 am Sentient

        My 27 year old hipster bartender who’s 5’8 and makes 45k a year is swimming in poon as well.

        It’s not money. It’s attitude.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 12:34 pm Sean Fielding

        Though money doesn’t hurt,
        It takes more to get the skirt.

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  12. on July 31, 2015 at 8:23 am tteclod

    “For our momentary, light suffering is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison ”

    The universe is set against you so that you may become glorious.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 8:40 am Greg Eliot

      Saith the Lord: “Whom I love I chasten and rebuke.”

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  13. on July 31, 2015 at 8:48 am Greg Eliot

    I dunno ’bout that “yuuuss” thing…

    But the “call me” was spot on, and then I would have fallen to the ground, as if I had knocked myself out… if she comes running out of the cubicle to make sure you’re okay… and I believe she would… then let the games begin.

    A chance at more than just a blown kiss. 😉

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  14. on July 31, 2015 at 8:52 am tspark from mobile

    Retreat a few steps and repeat impact on right side, left side, and rear maintaining eye contact

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  15. on July 31, 2015 at 9:11 am Pwn

    http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/2191934-what-men-pictures-selfies.html
    That’s funny because so many men online are that artless. I’ve never had women I chat with react negatively like this because you’re supposed to dhv and reach a hook point before you make girls take pics for you. Heck, some even volunteer when they tingle. Asking for selfies like most guys do is pretty much exposing yourself as a desperate loser and irking the girl because everyone online asks girls for pics. This girl I chat with volunteered a pussy pic because she wanted to know if I think her pussy is pretty. Lol. The positive about online chatting/dating is that it’s not hard to stand out once you start talking. Even weak game stands out due to the virgin galore that the Internet is.

    BTW, I can’t make up my mind if cuckservatives or sjws are more contemptible.

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  16. on July 31, 2015 at 9:15 am natphilosopher

    I had almost the same experience 30 odd years ago, only I was driving when I spotted her, and barely recovered with a Bond-like man-euver in my red RX-7.
    Led to I still remember fondly that-very-evening. Erin if you’re out there… you’d be too old for me now.

    But CH: you don’t remark on the obvious thing this transmits, which is kind of opposite your point. It obviously begins with her literally turning your head, to the point where you missed something you obviously wouldn’t ordinarily, thus demonstrating to her that you really, no fooling, find her special. Which kind of implies you do give a fuck about her, no?

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 10:13 am Survivorman

      [scratching old-fashioned record needle sound] Good observation, Nat.

      It’s a balancing act of conflicting behaviors – I have yet to master it.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 11:56 am Sentient

      If you have the right frame and are displaying enough value, it is a huge positive that YOU find HER special. She wins against the other girls and she will still think that she doesn’t deserve YOU.

      This happened twice to me with the same girl, early in our dating (eventual wife)… Once I was looking at her in the passenger stop and go traffic and I bumped the car in front of us… and once when we were walking side by side and I was looking at her and walked into a parking meter… Both times I just acted like it was no big deal and I was captivated by her. She could not believe her good luck that I was so invested in her.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:31 pm 88

      good points.

      every girl needs to feel special to some extent or they’ll eventually leave or wreak havoc on your life. it’s a delicate balance trying to come off as being aloof and impervious to her charms while at the same time making her feel like a special snowflake. but it’s gotta be done. girls who don’t feel special will feel used and that’s a very dangerous thing.

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  17. on July 31, 2015 at 9:55 am Mike Cuckabee

    Too much game…more trad-con posts please

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 3:56 pm whorefinder

      Trolling the lefty trolls. Give this dude a prize.

      Lefty rape!

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  18. on July 31, 2015 at 10:31 am Face-Saving Recovery Game | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  19. on July 31, 2015 at 10:47 am The Spirit Within

    When you trip on the sidewalk, immediately turn it into a short sprint. Then walk back: “I’ve been waiting to do that all day.”

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 1:36 pm Canadian Friend

      But only do that if the woman is 40% mystery meat.

      If she is not, then sue the white man who invented sidewalks.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:58 pm whorefinder

      try hard.

      try hard rape!

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  20. on July 31, 2015 at 10:50 am Ohiomega

    Hey, whaddya know, a Game post! Good job, CH!

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 11:21 am The Spirit Within

      lol, must be a slow day

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 2:51 pm JohnDSee

        No such thing as a ‘slow day’, everyday is full of potential. Some of my greatest conquests and insights came out of the clear blue. I’ve never really been beholden to media cycles of busy and slow. Weekends are just another distraction to keep the masses on schedule.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 2:59 pm whorefinder

        Found another one!

        Two faggot rape!

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:59 pm whorefinder

      hey I found the whiny faggot! what’s my prize?

      SJW rape!

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  21. on July 31, 2015 at 11:08 am mendozatorres

    Anyway face-saving recovery for this dumb bitch:

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 12:19 pm free inflabitant

      Ma’am this is my superior, Detective Billy Clubb

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 3:19 pm whorefinder

      comment stuck in moderation; so the short version:

      recruit local cops for the manosphere.

      moderation algorithm rape!

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  22. on July 31, 2015 at 12:37 pm spun

    econ red pill from pods at ZH

    1. Youth- Life is fun.

    2. School-when education is stressed to let you achieve max revenue (debt potential) for the owners

    3. Work- Consume and make more little consumers. Think you have made it when all you are doing is going deeper into debt.

    4. Red Pill-This is the longest part. It is after you figure out the scam, but realize unless you are in that top slice, you will never get the fuck out of where you are. You are saddled with debt, and your body is broken so even if you weren’t broke you would not have the ability to do all the things you put off till you had enough $$ to do so.

    5. Final extraction- This is when serious disease kicks in and all you worked for is gone in an instant due to medical costs and you can do nothin but sit and watch TV and realize what a scam it all was, eventually ending up face down in some pureed dish.

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  23. on July 31, 2015 at 12:38 pm free inflabitant

    There’s a storm in a teacup constantly brewing trying to assert that women are, at long last, funnier than men. Testosterone levels might be increasing as they’re getting more feral, but not many twists could pull off even a simple face-save like this. Their humour tends to revolve around self-parody during fellatio, etc.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 3:04 pm JohnDSee

      Funny Women, another media invention. Anyone can be amusing or of good humor. Just the fact that they have to tell us that, ‘no, women really are funny’, is all the proof we need that they aren’t, generally, funny. They will never admit that, simply, XX has certain traits in abundance and XY has many more interesting, important traits in abundance.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 3:38 pm free inflabitant

        Good points. I’m bracing myself for a campaign with the same vehemence as ‘no, gays really can be good parents/gay blood really is as pure as the driven snow’. With the usurpation of MAD taMpAX and ghostbusters, you never know what stunt they’ll pull next

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 7:37 pm StAugustine

        Seriously. From Irwin S. Cobb’s memoirs (1923), I’ve treasured this nugget:
        “You may have noticed that in making this classification, I have used the masculine gender exclusively. I have done so advisedly and after due thought, because all the best authorities agree that it is not in the nature of a woman to take a joke, for better or for worse, the first time she meets it face to face. In the matter of being shown, the average woman, so far as humor is concerned, is so far out in Missouri that she’s practically in Kansas. She is up on the tallest peak of the Ozark Mountains, very skeptical, not to say skittish. She wants to hear a thing that’s funny several times and let it soak into her and mingle with her other ingredients; then after a suitable period of time she beings to care for it and forever after bears it a deep and lasting affection. At least, soothe authorities confirm.”

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  24. on July 31, 2015 at 12:47 pm martin

    I was talking to a blonde that appeared very nervous but she had two patrol men on duty with her beside her. I was asking her some questions flirtatiously, but the two patrol men actually stepped in and started answering her questions for her. So I was cock blocked and couldn’t save face there so I left. How do we handle severe cock blocking? This has been a big issue i’ve had.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm ms00

      be the wolf not the dog

      http://io9.com/why-are-dogs-so-insanely-happy-to-see-us-when-we-get-ho-1721329341

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 1:02 pm martin

        what? I was thinking what I should’ve done is to try befriending the men and get them more on my side but it caught me totally off guard.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 1:45 pm Jack Rackam

      Why did she have two patrolmen with her, if she wasn’t being arrested?

      Don’t even go NEAR women who know or are related to cops. My buddy was living with the police dispatcher for a while. Too long. The dispatcher is just a twat in the police station on the radio, she’s not a police officer in any way. When she decided she wasn’t haaaaappy, well, it wasn’t pretty. Basically half the police force white knighted for her, it was brutal. She got him arrested for all kinds of bullshit, which caused him to then lose all court cases and all his money.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 1:50 pm martin

        heh I was being facetious about them. “patrol men” is my way of describing what many here might call white knights. They weren’t police but just two ordinary men that were with her that felt they needed to guard her. I don’t think all men that do this are desperate for her, I think men even with more girlfriends than they have sperm cells would still cock block another man just because. So they were on ‘patrol’ for her, like bodyguards.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm Jay

        I know you’re right, but that deputyette that chatted with me for 15 minutes after handling my trespassing complaint was sooo fine.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 2:38 pm 10x10

      Willy Beck has a video at his Youtube Channel on how to hit on girls who are with male friends. He has about 4 infields of him doing it in different situations. He gives more ballsy ways and more conservative ways.

      The simplest way is to start talking to the girl, even give her a compliment, and then ask if any of the guys are her boyfriend. After that turn to the guys and introduce yourself saying, “I don’t want to show any disrespect.” Then continue the interaction with the girl. Its pretty classy actually.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 5:05 pm Sentient

        This. Ask her if any of these guys are her boyfriend (best method) oh hey I didn’t know this guy was your boyfriend” or more indirect, ask her how they all know each other. If not her boyfriend, they are then screwed… game away. Look up boyfriend destroyer in the CH and Yareally archives.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 3:04 pm whorefinder

      We really need to work on recruiting more police officers to the manosphere.

      Local cops first and foremost. Many are white knight betas, but see too much reality to totally buy into their pc-training. A few clicks on heartiste would send many to our side.

      Alex Jones has talked about the federal government attempting to drive a wedge between local police and the community, just so the feds can put in national police forces. This is because local police would defend the locals from federal incursion if the feds tried it openly. I’m starting to buy that theory.

      Plus, of course, they are muscle, and have access to firearms, and know local defense points and tactics and hotspots much better than any Obama agent.

      Remember that well-armed, well-trained, loyal guerrillas will defeat a half-hearted, in-it-for-the-pay-only national army in the guerrillas’ local area. Just sayin’.

      Federal police rape!

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:22 pm Greg Eliot

      When the patrolmen starting answering questions, I would have given them the steely-eyed missile man glare and said: “I was addressing the lady.”

      Of course, if you don’t think you could physically handle the two dudes with her, well… what the hell are you doing approaching in the first place?

      /gotta tell you kids everything (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 9:22 pm Jack Smack

        Autism is a helluva drug.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 7:13 pm James Blonde

      severe cock blocking should always result in a question:

      “What country you from?”

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  25. on July 31, 2015 at 12:57 pm porkyboy

    Act mildly insulted, like, “Hey, buddy, what’s your deal?” as if the pillar ran into YOU instead of vice-versa. Always gets a larf.

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  26. on July 31, 2015 at 1:23 pm Kuna

    this is so puerile. This might work on girls who are too naïve to live on their own but will never work on mature women who want serious guys who respect them and treat them with kindness

    [CH: well done. pitch perfect.]

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 3:11 pm JohnDSee

      Beautiful.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:19 pm Greg Eliot

      It certainly is puerile, like most of the dancing monkey “game” maneuvers seen in field reports, texting, and staged videos posted here.

      But sometimes it actually works, given today’s audience, so when in Rome…

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:22 pm anonnnnnnn

      tits or GTFO

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:53 pm Putin

      “mature women who want serious guys who respect them and treat them with kindness”

      You mean bitter and entitled American women?

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 12:51 pm Sean Fielding

      The most rewarding women, of any age, never want to live on their own. Because the most rewarding women love men with game. And we love them.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 4:03 pm Rick

      @Kuna What are you even referring to?

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm Kuna

        The practices to attract the opposite sex you guys resort to are often immoral and sexist. Manipulation and lack of empathy is no way to keep women interested. You may be able to fool them for a while, but they will soon get wind of what you’re up to and that you’ve just been putting up fake personas to impress them. By this point they will have lost all interest in you. What is really impressive is that women have also started to take up the utter BS promoted in pickup artists’ techniques to enhance their romantic lives. But in their case,it seems to actually work. Perhaps because they have learned to put the “teachings” to good use without coming across as buffonish or silly.

        http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/it-happened-to-me-i-was-a-female-pick-up-artist

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 8:20 pm Sean Fielding

        Kuna, what happened to make you so bitter?

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 11:01 am Rick

        You need to stop reading all the feminist bs out there like this article. LIke you, it is completely delusional. The truth is more like this:

        If you started dating a hot, successful/powerful guy tommorrow who would fuck you really good, develop trust and an emotional connection with you, treat you well sometimes, then like complete shit other times, you would be in complete heaven and you know it.
        Game for women: Be attractive, feminine, and pleasant. Result: Men
        will approach you and want to sleep with you asap.
        Game for fags: Fag1: “Hey do you want to fuck?” Fag2: “Yes.”
        Game for men:
        Example: Guy has girl over 3rd date. Its getting hot and heavy on the couch. Guy asks for a bj. Girl refuses. Guy grabs her shoes and purse and throws them out the door. Girl leaves. Girl texts him a dozen nasty messages. Guy ignores them. Girl a day or two later texts, “Ok im ready to give you what you want”. Guy invites her back acts like nothing ever happened.

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 5:40 pm Rick

        Actually, on reread, I made an error. I should revise the last part to new gf not 3rd date girl..thats not realistic..my mistake.

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  27. on July 31, 2015 at 2:35 pm itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  28. on July 31, 2015 at 3:07 pm Mitch Cumstein

    Off-topic…a career woman ghost story I thought CH and the readership would enjoy.

    I ran into my ex at a party a few days ago. I haven’t seen her in a couple years, but she moved back into town. We used to date and she was into me, but she had to pursue her dreamz out of state. Career woman heh. We did the long distance thing for a couple months before it fizzled out. I wasn’t happy, but I found this site and used it to shed my beta ways over time. I learned to become detached and implemented tips and suggestions here to hook up with other girls. I even used them successfully on the ex a few times to hook up when she was in town, but only until it got boring for me.

    So at the party, I was civil and brief. When I got home, I got a text from her, saying how great it was to see me. I texted back, “I did look good, didn’t I?” She ate it right up. Kept texting me for the next day or so, until I dropped the hint that I’m seeing someone and it’s serious. She went silent for about an hour. And then, a string of text bombs.

    “I’m afraid that no one will ever love me like you did. When I was younger, I thought career was the most important thing (she was 23), but now, I know better (now she’s 29).” “I fucked up my life by choosing my career and now I only do it in hopes that it pays off somehow.” I poured myself a drink and just watched the confessions pile in. The last one was, “If you wanted to elope this weekend, I would do it.”

    Years ago, I was devastated that I lost this snowflake. Fast forward to today, I sit amused as the clock is running out and she’s throwing hail Mary passes. I’m going to take the screen grabs, print them out, and show them to my future kids. To my sons: a lesson about oneitis. Life goes on. Half the people on the planet are women. Find a better one. To my daughters: a lesson about The Wall. It’s real and hits like a motherfucker. Play the game wisely and don’t be left without a chair when the music stops.

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  29. on July 31, 2015 at 3:38 pm ladydonnalands

    This story was hilarious. I have seen that happen. I saw a guy running into a display because he was checking out my legs at the grocery store. I went down a different aisle immediately to laugh and wring my hands in uncontrollable laughter. I still giggle in that store. I, one hundred percent agree with the “zero F**ks given”.

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  30. on July 31, 2015 at 4:47 pm Putin

    UPDATE: Going live macro versus micro face-saving recovery game

    So at my HP today. Has been a somewhat unproductive week although some things have happened beneath the surface.
    The Arabic gal walks in while I am sitting in one of the comfy chairs. I am on my phone so am able to go about my business and not look at her. I go outside and basically stay out there for the remaining 2 hours to do my thing. She ends up coming out of the place and is walking by me when she kind of stops and says hello, how are things. I say “fine….volatile”. She then says she likes my shirt. I respond with a look at my shirt and a “oh thanks”. I ask her how she is and she says not feeling very good and that she probably needs to get some rest. I say ‘well get some rest then alright”. She kind of puts her head down and says “alright”. I feel a power shift.

    Now I am not saying that I own her yet but this is the path to ownership. I try not to be too quick to judge so maybe the power shift was all in my imagination. Time will tell. But you know what? Women….wth? Please feel free to throw in your opinion. But this is classic James Harmon. Used to do this all the time when I was building my last empire. You have to suck them in with some beta bait. By the way another thing in my favor is that she “was getting sick” which usually means her hamster has pushed her to the limit and she really is physically and emotionally exhausted. Again we will see. In fact she was suppose to leave for Spain last week so who knows if she will even be here next week.

    Fire away.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 4:49 pm Putin

      Oh, it is all about Alpha mindset, holding FRAME. In the very least it looks like I overcame oneitis and moved it to respectable positioning. #2.

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:06 pm ms00

        She kind of puts her head down and says “alright” – means you blew it. You blew it right from the start by being too serious. When girls compliment me on any shirt I’m wearing I always have something canned about it ready that will make them laugh and to segway to convo, number close, logistics etc.

        Her putting her head down means you don’t get it

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 8:37 pm 88

        kind of a weird situation here. not sure why the aloof attitude was necessary at all. seems like you two were interacting well before and building rapport over a couple of interactions. then for no reason at all you start acting like you’re not interested. not really sure what the point of that is. i mean, why punish her? did she do something to deserve the brush off? what am i missing?

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      • on July 31, 2015 at 9:18 pm Putin

        “She kind of puts her head down and says “alright” – means you blew it. You blew it right from the start by being too serious. When girls compliment me on any shirt I’m wearing I always have something canned about it ready that will make them laugh and to segway to convo, number close, logistics etc.

        Her putting her head down means you don’t get it”

        You sound like a player……

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm ms00

        No I’m not a player I just not on the market for a long term relationship, and plus I have a couple of shirts that spike girls all the time i.e. 1 with a photo of tits but it has skulls for the nipples, 2. one that says cockroaches live forever – those always get girls to comment on them and I always have something fun to say back.

        Sometimes they don’t engage, other time more than 50% they do. why are you so serious is the question?

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm Putin

        “why are you so serious is the question?”

        There are times to be serious and times to be fun. Do you have a particular time in mind? Are you talking about her most recent approach and my response? Have you read the whole situation with this gal which started with the Trump article?

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  31. on July 31, 2015 at 6:02 pm dmi271

    Hello. I’m trying to find (or put together if all else fails) a repository of playful lines and game techniques. Basically I’m looking for teases, negs and games or roleplays that are just plain good fun.

    Any advice on where to start?

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  32. on July 31, 2015 at 6:03 pm Mitch Cumstein

    Off-topic…a career woman ghost story I thought CH and the readership would enjoy.

    I ran into my ex at a party a few days ago. I haven’t seen her in a couple years, but she moved back into town. We used to date and she was into me, but she had to pursue her dreamz out of state. Career woman heh. We did the long distance thing for a couple months before it fizzled out. I wasn’t happy, but I found this site and used it to shed my beta ways over time. I learned to become detached and implemented tips and suggestions here to hook up with other girls. I even used them successfully on the ex a few times to hook up when she was in town, but only until it got boring for me.

    So at the party, I was civil and brief. When I got home, I got a text from her, saying how great it was to see me. I texted back, “I did look good, didn’t I?” She ate it right up. Kept texting me for the next day or so, until I dropped the hint that I’m seeing someone and it’s serious. She went silent for about an hour. And then, a string of text bombs.

    “I’m afraid that no one will ever love me like you did. When I was younger, I thought career was the most important thing (she was 23), but now, I know better (now she’s 29).” “I fucked up my life by choosing my career and now I only do it in hopes that it pays off somehow.” I poured myself a drink and just watched the confessions pile in. The last one was, “If you wanted to elope this weekend, I would do it.”

    Years ago, I was devastated that I lost this snowflake. Fast forward to today, I sit amused as the clock is running out and she’s throwing hail Mary passes. I’m going to take the screen grabs, print them out, and show them to my future kids. To my sons: a lesson about oneitis. Life goes on. Half the people on the planet are women. Find a better one. To my daughters: a lesson about The Wall. It’s real and hits like a motherfucker. Play the game wisely and don’t be left without a chair when the music stops.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 8:44 pm Putin

      One word: EPIC

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  33. on July 31, 2015 at 9:16 pm Putin

    What am i missing?

    Ownership and maybe the last update from yesterday.

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  34. on July 31, 2015 at 10:07 pm Culum Struan

    YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Walawala et al

    1. Really pissed off and frustrated after last night’s date – any thoughts appreciated. Got the bang, but man the sex was so crappy you could SEE her turn off. I mean – to the point where she was joking about how I fucked her like she was my mom. I’ve known for a while I need to work on my bedroom skills, but it’s not usually THIS bad – I can usually get them off at least.

    2. HB7 slim 19 year old redhead with amazing tits (I’m 35). First date more than 6 weeks ago ended in solid makeout – she shit tested fairly hard but was clearly into me and took the initiative to text me several times in-between to see when we could meet.

    2. We met. She made a clear effort to dress up and look pretty for me. I took YaReally’s advice and praised her up to make her feel “worthy” of me, but still held frame. It was pretty clearly on right from the start..she came into kiss me first..good response to kino and sexual topics. Etc. Still shit testing fairly hard (calling me grandpa, teasing me about my paunch and needing to work out etc) but easily brushed off – I mean I could tell she really liked me and this was like a formality. But she kept it up throughout the evening – variations on me being old or out of shape mostly.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 10:08 pm Culum Struan

      3. Took her for ice-cream and then I got her home with no trouble. Heavy make out on the couch with wine. There was a little LMR (like she was a car in winter that had to be warmed up – the whole foreplay process just took a LOT longer (like over an hour) than it would have with a girl who came over ready to fuck). I even did a mini-freezeout at one point and went to the restroom leaving her half-naked on the couch. It’s cool to see that Game tactics work perfectly on LMR just as predicted.

      4. But the whole process and the bantering and stuff was fun in itself. It’s fun having a half-naked 19 year old on your couch and messing around you know? Her pushing my hand away from her panties, then me turning her on with her tits a bit more, then getting hands back under panties for longer..that kind of stuff..slowly, slowly. (Incidentally, she was wearing REALLY nice underwear – she clearly came prepared for something to happen)

      5. So anyway, one enjoyable hour later, there she is being fingered naked on my bed – she’s dripping wet and moaning “You make me so horny” and asking if I have a condom (and she has a clit ring – cool). So far so good – my escalation and seduction has been pretty good (although always room for improvement). And I ask her when she decided to fuck me and she replied “I didn’t” (which I take to mean, she didn’t preplan it and decided on the spur of the moment when I turned her on enough – good).

      6. But then things started to go downhill. I’m not really one for railing a girl endlessly – my usual method is to get her off with fingers or mouth (or both) and possibly also get a BJ in the process and then fuck her to finish up (sometimes they come at this point too, but it doesn’t matter because I already got her off).

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 10:10 pm Culum Struan

      7. But this girl wasn’t really into the fingering – I still had her really going and moaning and I thought (could have been wrong) she was close to coming so I said “I want you to look at me when you come” (works great most of the time) – but I actually SAW her roll her eyes when I said that and her arousal dropped a bit – no more loud moaning etc – it felt like I’d lost the moment to make her come. Also, it turns me on to talk dirty and it turns most girls on when I’m verbal and again, it did nothing for this girl which meant one of the things I’m good at was useless.

      8. Then she said a minute or two later- “I want you inside me”, so I got on top for a bit and fucked her – not entirely happy because I hadn’t got her off yet. After a couple of minutes, I think I wasn’t going hard enough for her and she was like “just fuck me”, so I got her turned over to do her doggy style and for some reason just couldn’t get into her properly. So turned her around to missionary again and by then I’d lost my full erection because of the condom and she said after a failed attempt “now you’re too soft to get in”, and I laughed and was like “Yeah, you’ll have to get me hard again” and she was like “no way” (with a smile) and kind of turned away.

      9. Then things went even more downhill – because she wasn’t keen on getting me hard again and was very passive (she was pretty passive throughout even when responding – hardly did anything herself) I got pissed off, and then I couldn’t really get hard again in that atmosphere, so we sort of awkwardly cuddled again and kissed a bit for a couple minutes and I thought I need to break this atmosphere and was like “Okay, let’s take a break and get some food”, which she agreed to immediately.

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    • on July 31, 2015 at 10:12 pm Culum Struan

      10. As we walked out, she asked if I had my keys and phone and I laughed and said “Yes, mom” and she was like “You certainly fucked me like I was your mom” – she was joking, but she wasn’t joking, you know what I mean?

      11. We had a nice meal and wine. Conversation was good, we were pretty relaxed..she was kino-ing me a lot..(kept rubbing my hands across table etc). I kept my conversational frame and stuff etc I think. Still cocky funny etc. She was complaining about my stubble scratching her etc but joking. Generally a good relaxed vibe but not very sexual (except a couple points briefly).

      12. Then post dinner, she had a cigarette on the street and came right into me and we kissed etc. Then she came back to my place just to wait for her Uber, and we kissed some more and I got her to give me a hand job while waiting (no resistance, no problem getting hard either obv, without a condom) for a little bit till she laughed and said she didn’t want to clean up again just as the cab was coming and stopped – I probably could have got her to continue but didn’t given the lack of time.

      13. Then she left (kissed me and said thank you for the evening) and texted me when she got home. I texted back saying “Thank you for a fun evening – I enjoyed myself” (standard anti-FRA plus comfort text) and her reply wasn’t something about how she enjoyed it too, which is normal – she said “:) I’m glad you did” – again, I could be reading too much into this, but she DIDN’T say how much she enjoyed it.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 11:10 am having a bad day

      @Culum

      dude, this was painful to read, but props on putting in the work and getting better…(even though it doesn’t seem like it right now…lol)

      you seem to have a structural misunderstanding of some basic game concepts, so i’ll try to lay those out, but first here’s a followup to that last game comment on the ‘game is always in play’ idea…bc it applies here…

      on the spectrum of game – on one end you have natural alpha…on the other betas…both just do their thing unconsciously…both lose girls bc they don’t/can’t calibrate – alphas get the bangs, but then lose girls bc they can’t calibrate to get comfort/rapport (for long-term ‘bangage’,) so the girls leave…beta never get the bangs, but the girls stay bc they have lots of comfort/rapport…

      game brings those behaviors to consciousness, so you can calibrate to the individual girl, thereby getting bangs AND keeping them around for as long as you want…

      BUT…just bc you know what is going on (in real time) doesn’t mean the girl actually sees you as alpha stud…if you don’t play your part (alpha stud) it’s the same as if you were still operating at the unconscious level as a beta…

      soooo, it seems like you are not calibrating…

      after the first date the hb7 was into you…

      “Still shit testing fairly hard (calling me grandpa, teasing me about my paunch and needing to work out etc) but easily brushed off – I mean I could tell she really liked me and this was like a formality. But she kept it up throughout the evening – variations on me being old or out of shape mostly.”

      girls don’t shit test men they don’t want…did you ‘brush off’ those shit tests…or handle them…bc it seems like you didn’t handle them bc she continued testing you…usually if you handle a shit test or three they just stop bc her hindbrain is satisfied and stops kicking her hamster…

      she shit tests you…you see the test and say to yourself ‘i could have totally handled that…i’m getting better at this…and brush it off…

      repeat reading that about thirty times (go ahead, i’ll wait…)

      pretty boring, right?

      but you put up with it bc you expect some game advice at the end of all of it. she doesn’t have that. what she expects is that you are still boring her…but she stayed in the interaction bc she likes you…

      contrast that with…

      she shit tests you…you see the test and SMASH it …she tests you again…and you SMASH it…maybe once more, but that’s about all you’re going to get (bc then her hindbrain is feeling secure in the knowledge of your genetic superiority…). if you KEEP getting shit tests, you are missing something…usually you are failing the shit tests and the girl likes you enough to keep trying to serve them up so you CAN pass them…just brushing them off is the same as not seeing them = beta fail…

      this is similar to breaking through a girl’s bitch shield…for a hot girl, you have to neg her hard until she lets you through, then you ease up and comfort/rapport…for a less hot girl, you still need to get through the bitch shield but it will probably take ‘less’…and then it’s still comfort/rapport…

      “Took her for ice-cream and then I got her home with no trouble. Heavy make out on the couch with wine.”

      = she wants to bang…

      ” There was a little LMR (like she was a car in winter that had to be warmed up – the whole foreplay process just took a LOT longer (like over an hour) than it would have with a girl who came over ready to fuck).”

      this sounds like you are getting in your own way…lol

      “I even did a mini-freezeout at one point and went to the restroom leaving her half-naked on the couch. It’s cool to see that Game tactics work perfectly on LMR just as predicted.”

      just for clarification…techs to overcome LMR are there for when you screw up somewhere in the process. you shouldn’t really need these if you are calibrating properly…

      “But the whole process and the bantering and stuff was fun in itself.”

      the bantering probably was the reason. (“When you have to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.”…lol)

      “(Incidentally, she was wearing REALLY nice underwear – she clearly came prepared for something to happen)”

      see above on getting in your own way…she was ready to bang…

      “she’s dripping wet and moaning “You make me so horny” and asking if I have a condom”

      subcomms = bang me now!…

      “(and she has a clit ring – cool).” = slut tell…also, banging might be all she needs to get over the top…

      “So far so good – my escalation and seduction has been pretty good (although always room for improvement).”

      true…and then you get in your own way…lol…

      “And I ask her when she decided to fuck me and she replied “I didn’t” (which I take to mean, she didn’t preplan it and decided on the spur of the moment when I turned her on enough – good).”

      no, this is where you really screwed the bang (pun intended…lol)…’When did you decide to fuck me?’ is straight up aftercare…bc if you bring attention to the current situ, it CAN’T ‘just happen’. she now needs to take responsibility for the bang and she needs to get her hamster involved bc her hindbrain is rethinking whether or not to let you in…if it’s aftercare, her hamster can make up something which then becomes real to her…it’s the opposite of FRA…

      “But then things started to go downhill. I’m not really one for railing a girl endlessly – my usual method is to get her off with fingers or mouth (or both) and possibly also get a BJ in the process and then fuck her to finish up (sometimes they come at this point too, but it doesn’t matter because I already got her off).”

      this is straight up blue pill/white knightery = focus on her needs first…for the first time, you need to set the frame = your needs first and if she’s really hot maybe ‘only’ (at least for the first time)…

      “But this girl wasn’t really into the fingering”

      that’s bc she asked you to bang her…and then you did other stuff…lol…this is like you are in sales and someone comes up and says ‘here’s my money, i want to buy’…and you say but look at this cool feature on the product…and they say ‘i want to buy’…and you say but look at this other cool feature…lol…

      “but I actually SAW her roll her eyes when I said that and her arousal dropped a bit”

      lol…that happens when you don’t ‘listen’…

      “she was like “You certainly fucked me like I was your mom” – she was joking, but she wasn’t joking, you know what I mean?”

      did you handle this shit test or ‘brush it off’?…

      “she was kino-ing me a lot..(kept rubbing my hands across table etc). ”

      this is good…she’s still into you…so, you should get another chance…

      “I’m just annoyed because it feels like so much good work was undone by ten bad minutes and I’m not even sure how I could have done better.”

      this wasn’t lost in the ten minutes in the bedroom… handle those shit test better in the beginning and you won’t need techs for LMR…also, be more ‘selfish’ in the bedroom…(hows that FI treating you?…lol)

      “I know I need to improve my overall bedroom skills anyway and it would be good to last a while longer while railing her (although wasn’t an issue with this girl – I never came), but this was really disappointing.”

      if other girls are satisfied, this was more mental than physical…on both sides…

      “and I’m not even sure I’ll get to see her again.”

      sure you will…just ping her for another date…then handle the shit tests…

      “Or even if I’ll have the confidence to push again for the bang after this experience.”

      sure you will…bc that’s how you overcome limiting beliefs/get better at interacting…and you’ve put in way more work to get to this point…

      “Part of the problem I think is that while she’s obviously no virgin, she’s not THAT experienced and doesn’t know that much about how to be good in bed – very passive.”

      this is a more pressing issue for you, though…lol…WHY do you think she is not very experienced?…serious question…just like that other ‘not very experienced’ hooker?…lol…and the answer to all of this is for YOU to lead…by TELLING her what to do…but make sure it’s for YOUR pleasure first and foremost…but you can only do that if you have handled those shit tests first to set your frame…

      “I seriously need to upgrade my skills, but it’s much harder because a lot of my bangs are 1-2 timers (partly cos my skills clearly need improvement but mostly because my travel schedule means even post-bang I don’t lock them in enough and they fade away after 3-4 weeks without seeing me) and that means I never get comfortable banging one girl enough times to really get comfortable and practice..”

      so, just ping some of those girls and go on another date…easy peasy…but start to develop a strategy to lock in those girls you like and want to see more of…texting can happen from anywhere…and 3-4 weeks is almost perfect for a fb arrangement…lol…ping that ‘good girl’ too…lol…

      good luck!

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 12:23 pm Culum Struan

        HABD – thank you. So many points that had never occurred to me. More indepth response tomorrow when I have a bit of time.

        But the first thing that occurred to me when I read this about missing her signals is that SEVERAL times in the course of getting her into bed, she dropped hints that she wanted me to be more forceful and dominant. I KNEW I was getting a message from her, and I more or less acted on it in the most obvious way, but I didn’t take it as far as I should. Should have upped Dominance to 11.

        Like for eg, when we were on the couch, she said “NO” to me several times, but in such a way that it was obvious she wanted me to do it (once or twice she even said “NO. Make me”). For eg, I wanted to pull her onto my lap. Or pull her down from the couch to lie down on the floor with me. Or make her change positions when she was lying on my lap. And finally, when I told her to get up to come to the bedroom.

        All these times, she verbally said “No”, and then actually physically resisted (all smiling and great vibe) and I physically pulled her down on the floor with me, or pulled her to her feet to take her to the bedroom and she was fine with it (that last one to take her to the bedroom – I’m not strong enough to easily pick her up and it was a bit awkward getting her off the floor and she actually said *while I was doing it*: “This is why you should work out”…LOL

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:54 am Culum Struan

        HABD – just to add to my post yesterday. I think you’ve really nailed the interaction breakdown and it fits in exactly with the meta-analysis that Sentient, wala etc have done.

        I feel a lot better now, as at least I understand what went wrong and what not to do next time, and I have a plan of action for banging her next time (I am thinking mindless action movie at a place which has couches you can watch on = plenty of foreplay – and then take her to mine).

        You are right about the shit tests. On our first date (when she was really into me and texting and chasing me after) I took them on head on and passed. But this time, I only did that once. Rest of the time I either ignored them and laughed it off or (once) even got into a logical discussion with her about whether I go to the gym enough.

        But key takeaway here is reading those signals better, even in bed (I’m getting better with those on the DATES now – like when a girl is not just cuddling into me but casually “accidentally” rubbing the back of her hand on my crotch on a date, I know it’s on even if it is subconscious on her part..

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  35. on July 31, 2015 at 10:15 pm Culum Struan

    14. Compared with another new notch last week – zero LMR, 2 orgasms in ten mins – fingers and when I was banging her, and gazing adoringly at me throughout dinner after – so different an experience

    15. I’m just annoyed because it feels like so much good work was undone by ten bad minutes and I’m not even sure how I could have done better. I know I need to improve my overall bedroom skills anyway and it would be good to last a while longer while railing her (although wasn’t an issue with this girl – I never came), but this was really disappointing. Such a good date, such a good job on managing LMR and passing shit tests and getting a 19 year old redhead into me. And then BOOM.

    16. How do you fix crappy sex? I probably can’t – she’s thinking “He’s a really cool guy and I like him, but OMG the sex was so bad” and I’m not even sure I’ll get to see her again. Or even if I’ll have the confidence to push again for the bang after this experience. Part of the problem I think is that while she’s obviously no virgin, she’s not THAT experienced and doesn’t know that much about how to be good in bed – very passive.

    17. I seriously need to upgrade my skills, but it’s much harder because a lot of my bangs are 1-2 timers (partly cos my skills clearly need improvement but mostly because my travel schedule means even post-bang I don’t lock them in enough and they fade away after 3-4 weeks without seeing me) and that means I never get comfortable banging one girl enough times to really get comfortable and practice..

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 9:34 am Sentient

      First I think she got to you with the age stuff, you played it off ok but it was in your head.

      Second all the focus on making her come is a form of validation seeking and turned her off. Like hey aren’t I a good boy, got you off right right? Nice guy behavior. Have you read no more Mr nice guy? You might benefit.

      Don’t discount how thrilling it is for a woman to just be taken by a guy that is totally lustily into HER. Like if you just got more aggresive when she was wet and bent her over and fucked her hard for just 5 minutes and blew on her tits or something it could be totally got for her even though she doesn’t come. Just possesed her and did whatever the duck you wanted in the moment.

      Try not putting any emphasis on her coming next time. Frame is you are the prize and the prize has to and will have her. Can you see how thrilling it would be if the prize has to have HER? Like imagine she got ducked by whatever star Channing Tatum or whatever. Would she care if she came? Did the Edelman girl tweet that she came from fucking the super bowl winner? Nope.

      There is a time and place for technique sex God method etc. But fixing the internals is more important. A girls biggest sex organ is between her ears not her legs. Own her mind and the body will follow.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 9:38 am Sentient

        In mod.

        And you can totally smash her next time… Nothing lost unless you make a big deal about it. Just d h v when you are out and get aggressive as soon as you get back to your place.

        Tell yourself you are sex worthy…

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 9:41 am Sentient

        And 6 and 7… Especially – huge validation seeking…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm Sentient

        @CS – on the No More Mr. Nice Guy thing… question if your desire to have her cum isn’t a covert contract…

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:36 am Culum Struan

        Sentient – it came out of mod.

        Thank you. I think (in addition to HABD’s detailed breakdown), this is the meta-takeaway from the whole event. She needed more dominance and more focus on Me, not Her, and it’s sort of what walawala and Sean have also said.

        And yes wala – I definitely had an element of “Am I really banging a cute 19 year old at 35??” going on..(the youngest I have ever banged, given that I only lost virginity at 24 and never banged a younger girl when I was that age).

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 12:38 pm Sentient

      in mod

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 8:10 am Sentient

        Mods…?

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 12:47 pm Sean Fielding

      Short-term: Try your best to set up another bang session. Take 25 mg Viagra shortly before you are to meet.

      Long-term: She’s right. You’re not in good physical condition. Fix that. Man, you’re only 35.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 7:30 pm Culum Struan

        Sentient – thanks, will watch out for it

        Sean: Bang session will be unavoidably delayed for 2-3 weeks due to our travel schedule. I may have lost her by then but will try.

        And yes – I’m not in great shape and one of my priorities this summer is to start fixing that. But I’m slim and not overweight and I dress well, even if my cardio fitness and muscle tone are crap. In other words, even though it is true, it was still her shit testing me by saying it.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 9:25 pm Sean Fielding

        CS: OK not bad – thought maybe you were getting fat. Still worth working on being buff though, especially since it sounds like you are far from a natural – I find the more beta one’s origins, the more fitness is important to maintaining confidence. Buff it ’till you can bluff it.

        All right, nothing wrong with reformed betas, that’s almost every Game reader, me more than most. And I don’t even claim to have much Game. But a big tell with you is that you spent hundreds of words saying, basically, that it went bad at the moment you went verbal when she might have been coming as you fingered her.

        First off, it sounds like you’re way too wedded to a routine – make ’em come with fingers or tongue, then fuck. If sex has become too routine for you, even with a new partner, don’t you think your actions will reflect that and the routine aspect will be perceptible to her?

        Second, you’re putting way too much emphasis on girly big O’s here. All manosphere jokes aside, IMO a woman who has been fucked hard by a guy acting in a very dominant way, but without her orgasming, is much more likely to return to his bed than a woman who has been brought to orgasm, but non-dominantly, ie especially when that’s clitoral stimulation only, not O with penetration.

        I do believe they feel O’s from pure cock, or cock plus fingers, deeper in their loins and in their souls, than purely clitoral O’s. It sounds like this chick is into penetrative orgasms. That means more work for her, but that’s why they feel them stronger: almost everything in this life that requires more work also offers more reward.

        If you really want her to have a penetrative O, then it’s usually best not to interrupt her by talking dirty, pulling her hair or slapping her ass while she’s zooming in on it: save that for when it’s your turn to O. For her turn, she usually needs to concentrate. A lot of women get penetrative O’s best by riding you. In a way that’s hard work for you too, because it’s so passive for you. That’s where the Viagra might stand you well.

        Most important thing of all – if it doesn’t look like you’re going to get her off, cut your losses and forget that goal – now make your O the goal. That still means memorable sex for her. If the first doggy-style angle isn’t working, grab her hips strongly and move her, change things till it is working, then tell her you love fucking like dog and bitch, slap her ass a few times and tell her what a great bitch she is just as you’re finishing hard.

        She’ll be back.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 10:27 pm Culum Struan

        Sean: good points. Yes, I started from extreme betaness (first kiss at 23, losing virginity at 24), but I’ve come a very long way in ten years. But I’ve never been buff so don’t know how it feels (I had a period between college and first job when I was swimming a lot and eating well and even then the difference was palpable).

        I agree with your point about penetration (with the right frame) being important – I think that extra splash of dominance (so to speak) is what is generally missing from me in the bedroom. I still do well in bed when I can get the girl off in other ways but in this kind of situation, without it, I am left with nothing to fall back on (I seem to recall a very interesting post on this point in Krauser’s blog from years ago).

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 10:58 pm Culum Struan

        PS – I am also proud of pulling off the lay despite wearing Star Wars Darth Vader socks AND having the girl make fun of them while we were making out on the couch. As Sentient says – I was just dynamic, passionate and authentic about Star Wars..

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    • on August 2, 2015 at 7:26 am walawala

      Hey CS great report and analysis. A few things. I now take Cialis before I bang chicks. Performance enhancing drugs are no crime in this game. Secondly, I had a similar situation with a 21 year old. She was basically a virgin and banging her was like trying to gut a slippery fish just out of the water. I would lose my hard on, she would then say “I’ve lost my mood.” Something about the dynamic made it so I was banging her hard and faster than apparently she thought I should. She made some snide comments to which I replied “Ok Masters and Johnson.”

      She eventually just one night claimed I had a “problem” and should be more “experienced”. But mostly this was her projecting her own insecurities. My crazy ex also used to inject these snide comments like “You were a bit tired tonight weren’t you?” and “I think we should use ultra thin condoms”—like she’d notice a difference.

      This one has a clit ring—she’s into pain and a rebel. Add to that the distancing and self-sabotage: the snide diminishing comments, the fast sex—this girl has issues…lots of them. With these girls you have to be a complete dick, bang them hard and fast and not show an ounce of self-reflection when you’re doing it.

      I think in this case you were a bit too much inside your own head. This sounds like a case of performance anxiety and has nothing to do with your game. She’s 19 you can imagine….you’d be going down on her and she’d be texting her friends about the latest episode of True Detective and how lame it was.

      You banged her so who cares. It’s not about the bang, but how she feels about it—that’s why “size” doesn’t matter, it’s all about perception.

      Why does one 21 year old claim i’m the worst lay in town when two others can’t wait to meet up with me? It has more to do with her than me.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 11:18 am Culum Struan

        Haha at Sentient’s picture. If that doesn’t move the mods..

        Walawala – thanks, it really has been a great learning experience.

        I have been considering Cialis for a few months (I think you may have posted before about your experiences with it). I don’t think any doctor is going to give it to a healthy 35 year old guy, so I need to consider the dodgy mail-order from Asia business which is a bit offputting.

        I think it’s worth trying although I am still thinking that if I’m basically healthy there should be no need for it..but I think I’ll try it.

        The rest of the stuff is spot on I think. I probably should have banged her harder and worried less about her pleasure even though that’s part of my usual routine. But beyond that – it’s more to do with the girl and less to do with me as you as said (as evidenced by the previous week’s new notch who was so totally into sex with me) – maybe this girl and I just don’t have much sexual chemistry. The shit testing really was constant though (although never nasty).

        It’s a good point about the distancing too – she told me explicitly earlier in the evening that she’s all about keeping things light and not getting emotions into it and stuff. And also that she had a history (aged 14-16!) of hardcore drug use and partying and she cleaned up when she moved to my city. She still parties, drinks and smokes, but no more drugs, and she works a pretty hardcore shift-based job full time.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 11:34 am Sentient

        No idea where my posts are… Anyhow re Cialis, I understand from older dudes you can just tell your doc you want to try it. They give out free 30 day samples. Pharma just dying to get you on drugs. So no worries. Just go get it if you want, some guys take a quarter pill just for the mental edge.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 6:25 pm walawala

        @Culum where I live, you can just buy it over the counter like aspirin. She sounds like she was dying for an older dude to lead her. From what you’ve written you sound like you were so amazed by your ability to pull a hot 19 year old you let yourself fall into her frame…then your confidence faltered and then the whole interaction became for lack of a better word beta.

        I have been in this position. If i’m with a hotter younger girl and my game is tight, I just keep ploughing ahead. I also start to pace myself. I gauge whether an SDL is possible or whether I need to go longer and calibrate.

        You can start to read these things quite easily if you know what you’re looking for.

        Below I write about a younger girl I gamed at a party and then added on FB, then asked for drinks. She agreed.

        I could tell each step of the way she was interested. Firstly her FB photos indicated a tattoo=rebel=open to older dudes. Secondly she had written some stuff regarding the passion of the dance=looking for an experience, so her compliance on my birthday indicated she was open. Thirdly there were no guy photos apart from one a year back so she is single and open. She was replying quickly and excitedly to my teasing. I didn’t have to over-game. After I got interest in drinks I moved to comfort telling her about the location: chill, jazz, drinks, hangout…..putting that in there helped to make this a little more “neutral”…it was about going somewhere—meeting me was an obvious component of this. There’s some pua material that focuses on “all I bring to the date is me.” I agree. But in some cases finding a cool spot to hang out also demonstrates value: “There’s a great photo exhibition on, you’ll like it…”

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  36. on August 1, 2015 at 9:41 am Putin

    19 year old with clit ring= Feral cat. You cannot own a feral cat. The girls you are banging seem like the kind CH talks about when he mentions cock carousal. Where do you meet these women? Surely not all American women have become this way? Is this online stuff?

    If you want someone who will stay with you then there will have to be an emotional connection. Most of the stuff on this site is about verbal game which can get you laid but does not help with owning a women.

    As for “skills” just let your primal desires out. Put some coconut oil on your hand then turn her over and start anal and vag fisting…Take control in the bedroom.

    I am no PUA but it seems to me that pure physical does not keep women.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 10:49 am Putin

      and now that I think about it that rolling the eyes was a real shit test which culminated in changing the vibe as you broke frame. Correct? My wife used to do that shit. It needs to be met with my coconut oil example and strong frame.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 10:53 am Putin

        “and I ask her when she decided to fuck me and she replied ‘I didn’t’ (”

        This did not help. Asking questions while having sex, a real no, no.
        Take charge.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 7:33 pm Culum Struan

      Putin – I don’t want to own a feral cat – just to be able to bang her properly. Most of my women are online yes (including this one).

      I didn’t break frame when she rolled eyes (I kept fingering her). It was only a minute or two later that I started banging her. As for asking questions while having sex (and talking generally), it can be really horny when done right – she just didn’t respond to it well. I usually get a great response to telling a girl to look at me when she comes.

      Having said that, I take your broader point – I probably should have been much more dominant in the bedroom in terms of getting her to do what I enjoyed. I already led the whole process of course (otherwise we wouldn’t have got as far as we did), but with this girl I should have probably upped the dominance levels more – I don’t have much experience of that though.

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 8:31 pm Putin

        Culum, Interesting about the online women. You were able to find a 7 with nice tits willing to come over to your place… So what site do you use. It must be full of women looking for sex? lol

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      • on August 1, 2015 at 8:41 pm Culum Struan

        Putin She didn’t come right over to my place dude. It was the second date – we’d already met at a bar and had a makeout (Date 1) and then Date 2 was ice cream followed by my place. Not that fast at all. I use (although now stopped) a range of sugar daddy sites (although this particular girl is not looking for money – it never came up – she’s just looking for an exciting time with fun guys she doesn’t meet in her social circle).

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 9:36 am Putin

        “It was the second date – we’d already met at a bar and had a makeout (Date 1) and then Date 2 was ice cream followed by my place. Not that fast at all”

        Sounds like game to me….

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 11:25 am Putin

        “There’s no such thing as a universally good lover. You can be a tremendous bang for one woman who you really click with and feel lame in bed with another who you don’t vibe with as much. This is perfectly natural and not something you can simply circumvent by pounding away with 3 sheets to the wind.

        Just remember this so you don’t get down on yourself for the occasional “poor performance.” The very next day you may give an oscar-worthy fuck to another girl with whom you share a much better chemistry.”

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      • on August 2, 2015 at 12:39 pm 88

        “You can be a tremendous bang for one woman who you really click with and feel lame in bed with another who you don’t vibe with as much.”

        so much truth in this. it’s not as much about technique and skill as much as you think. the best sex i’ve ever had was with girls who i had amazing chemistry with and i didn’t do anything special with them at all. they were turned on, i was turned on and we were having a great time without even thinking about it. it really is about chemistry and you either have it or you don’t. and when you have it, you know it before you even get to the bedroom.

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  37. on August 1, 2015 at 1:41 pm The Awakened One

    @yareally HB10 field report:

    Same venue as before in other field report. From holiday weekend. Got there around midnight. Packed with ppl. Went out to patio to get a non alcoholic beverage. Warm up 2set HB6.5: Told them I was a virgin and asked them for their name. One chatted with the other while laughing then said no and backturn. Went to dancefloor ioi from hb6.5. non verbally asked to dance but she gestures at cb. Back to patio. 4 set HB6-7.5. Approach HB7.5 while addressing group and asked who the best kisser in the group was. She says hb6. I go to hb6 and tell her that her friend said she was a good kisser. The girls giggle. She says something then I tell her let’s find out. HB6 says how she isn’t drunk enough yet. Tell her ouch that’s mean. Set dies out.

    Mixed 3set HB10tall and HB8.5-9 standing with back against the wall by high table. Guy is talking to one of them then goes inside to dance floor. I consider chickening out as I’m about to head back inside to dancefloor. Decided to say fuck it then walk across their line of sight. Both of them are in ice queen mode with no expression. Damn no encouragement at all. As I wait for the crowd to move neg over the shoulder to HB10tall on how the view is up there. She plays along and says how amazing it is. (This is a really cool girl). See HB8.5-9 is thinking of intervening but chooses to say nothing. Tell HBTall how she looks like she could be a model. Says she’s not but her friend could be (So positive and fun this one). HBfriend says that she’s not tall enough but that hbtall could be. (Positivity all around). HBtall asks me where I’m from. Tell her to guess. She guesses wrong and leans forward as I tell her. She says wow really and I have a slight accent and asks me when I came here. Told her midnight but she was actually asking about my origins. Then told her a long time ago. Then told her that she is from america (playfully). she tells me what state she is from. Tell her she is avoiding the natural environmental hazards in her state. She says sometimes.

    Ask her if she is here for the holiday and she responds she’s here for the weekend and she tells me the school she goes to. (Push/pull) I boo her school since I went to a rival school. She tells playfully tells me f you as she kinos my arm. Tell her that we’re supposed to hate each other then. Asks me where my friends are. Gesture in the direction where I was walking before. Asks me if they’re dancing or standing around. Tell her they’re sitting around and that they (2set HBs) are more fun. just a little bit more. They both laugh. Hear guy come up behind me and he starts talking to HBfriend. HBtalls says maybe we’ll bump into each other later. Give positive vibes and ask for her name. She tells me I give more positive vibes and lightly kino her then turn to say something to HBfriend. HBtall tells me laughingly that she’s busy atm.

    Walk around and stay out of view of HBtall. When I look back over I see some dudes talking to her but she has a stone face at this time. Ask HB7 to dance but get ignored. Later on I see HBtall still at the same place (she hasn’t moved at all) without HBfriend. She looks bored and tired. Come up and say hi. She perks up saying hey and asks me if I’m having fun. Tell her I am but that she looks tired. Says yeah and asks me if I am. Tell her no I workout a lot, She says she does as well. (This HB is just agreeing with everything I’m saying). She wants to walk around. Asks her if she wants to get something to eat. She declines pausing then says that her stomach is full. (Too soon man). Tell her we’ll go check out the view then. Walk her to edge of patio but still too many ppl blocking the railing. HBtall says that she wants to do a dance mob (What a world they live in). Grabbed her hand then led her to dancefloor. Had fun with her put my drink down then spun her around and she did same for me then we danced close in like in salsa.

    Then she says she needs to find her friends. Grabbed her hand again and at some point due to her long legs she gets in front of me and I feel like I’m being led around like a dog on the dancefloor. Still have on a shiteating grin though. We made a lap around the venue (perhaps she wanted to see where my friends were) to where we originally met and I put my back against the wall so she’d face me. Says she needs to text her friends. Tell her ok. It was while she was texting her friend that I started getting needy and thinking I needed to say something. Thinking that I needed to say something so brain starts scanning ch for stuff to say for hb10s. Settled with neil strauss questions that he used on jessica alba. Tap her on shoulder she leans in and use the 3 qualities not on beauty routine… She leans back not saying anything and continues texting her friend. (Facepalm). HBfriend arrives telling her to leave. Hbtall says that it was nice meeting me, tell her the same and I get a mediocre hug. Proceed to bang head against wall. Guys wonder what happened. Girls are hoping I come talk to them. Instead spend next 5-10 minutes banging head against wall.

    Decided on doing one more set out on the street before retiring. It’s around 2. Gave no fucks at this point. 3set HB7 leaning against pole, HB6.5 and CB. Approach HB7 “Hey you. What’s your name?” in a julien voice with very intense eyes. HB7 freezes up and goes “ummmmm” while eyecoding friends. CB says she too drunk (I go oh as I start to leave) and tells me to just leave. Night ends.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 2:55 pm Putin

      Dude, you went after it. Well done.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 3:16 pm 10x10

      I hope YaReally gives you a big breakdown because this involved a 10 and that takes balls, especially one that seems like she was 6’3″+ with heels. But I will say this:

      “Tap her on shoulder she leans in and use the 3 qualities not on beauty routine…”

      That’s a qualifier and rather large one. The Love Systems PUAs including John Sinn who upgraded and improved the MM, believe that qualifiers should be stacked; ie they should be incremental. Sinn has a three step progression for qualifiers as does Braddock. First level would be something easy like is she adventurous, a good friend, etc – small hoops that build you momentum by giving her simple yes or no questions. Second level would be asking her what she does for fun, what nationality she is, what does she want to be, etc – these are medium hoops. The third level is what you tried; ie what is special about her, etc. You didn’t build up enough investment on her part to go for that. Especially in the way you did it which was not natural and forced. If you don’t get compliance on a qualifier “you need to go back into attraction material”, so the saying goes.

      If you want a good source of info on 9s and 10s I would look up the Love System audio on “9s and 10s” from their audio series collection (you can get the first 10 minutes for free). Getting them from cold approach is obviously not easy. To do so would require more social proof / pre-selection, more disqualification and more teasing then you did. But props for having the balls to go for it in the first place.

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    • on August 1, 2015 at 8:23 pm Sentient

      @Awakened

      Seriously, check out the Mystery online videos. it will save you a lot of time. Moving from intermediate game with 7’s to the 9’s it is required stuff… Not much time to post now, some random thoughts here – but look back over your post – you caught a tiger by the tail (you were happy to have been in set with her) and ran basic good looking dude game. No roller coaster emotions, no DHV stories, not much in the way of negs, no take aways, falling into her frame. As Ya said last post – chess not checkers… which were you playing?

      Game was designed by backward engineering what 9’s do in the field, she was running standard “game” on you. MM breaks it down for guys. Nearly all truly hot women are cool because they have been socialized 1000’s of times over by guys hitting on them all the time. They have an answer to everything and not much flusters them, unless you really do have value and can display it and fry her circuits with roller coaster emotions. They are cool because they know they are at the top of the food chain, notwithstanding some personal insecurity. Why wouldn’t they be cool, right?

      Her saying “where are your friends” is a shit test wrapped in a DHV ping…

      Engage her friend and the dude as well. Lead the interaction with all of them.

      Seems like too much qualifying, “you could be a model” etc. She’s heard this a lot. How could you improve that ?

      Standing by herself later that night… neg here right?

      strauss line, well you know too soon on that. DHV stories to hook…

      Attraction – comfort – rapport. Gas, brake, clutch.

      Keep playin!

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    • on August 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm YaReally

      @the awakened one

      Lol props for going for it dude.

      “(This HB is just agreeing with everything I’m saying)”

      Todd from RSD calls this the “hot girl blasé”. Where she just kind of goes along with everything and it’s hard to read her but it’s just cause hot girls tend to be socialized well. An 8 or 9 will often have a chip on their shoulder and be more bitchy or test harder (which builds attraction faster if you pass that stuff so she does herself in by accident) but a 10 passes into a weird territory where she won’t even give you blatant shit-tests to pass and you’re sitting there like “I have no idea if she likes me, she doesn’t seem to DISLIKE me but wtf I’m just talking to a wall of “pleasantness”??”

      I agree with 10×10 on the asking too much compliance stuff. Compliance even from the MM days started with small compliance leading up to larger compliance. Even if she likes you if you ask too much compliance she won’t play along. And some guys have the reverse prob they have all the compliance in the world but won’t pull the trigger. This is a big area of calibration to work on in general.

      There’s lots of little stuff in your set to break down. Check back at this spot in a few days or a week cuz I have work to do but will try to get a breakdown done for this.

      You didnt ever really have much attraction (though you did spike SOME) with her, but it’s not because you COULDNT have it, you just fell into some common traps that guys fall into when they feel like they’re shooting for the moon lol and you did some subtle stuff that you might not realize lowered your value in her eyes.

      And again while it was badass that you approached her at ALL, it sounds like you went up to her approaching her directly. I would’ve gone inside and ordered a drink beside their buddy and chatted him up, befriended him, maybe introduced a random girl to him to test if one of those girls is his girlfriend (like he goes “ah I can’t I’m here with my gf”) and then gone and done a lap and then open a set of girls with a disqualifying opener so they can’t reject you (like telling them you have a gf but bla bla and engaging them in a Buying Temp spiking conversation) near the 10 sets on the patio where the girls giggle loudly and that set glanced over and buddy can say “oh I met that guy inside he’s a cool guy bla bla” and then I can leave the girls on a spikes BT note and pass the 10 set where the guy is likely to reopen me and if he doesn’t I can just pretend to recognize him and go “hey! Buddy! Look at you with 2 beautiful girls no wonder you weren’t into that weird chick inside lol”

      I should have enough value to get into that set smoothly enough to run group theory, engage the guy ignore the girls and DHV till I’m getting A2 from the girls and ideally ignore the target till she’s giving solid A2, tease her for it, qualify and go from there.

      From their perspective I was just some cool social guy who randomly befriended their dude friend inside, makes girls giggle, and isn’t desperate or needy or trying to directly take value by going right for the 10 and, in fact, she has to EARN my attention/interest, which means she’s chasing/choosing me, which means her friends are less likely to interfere.

      Like Mystery says: “You can’t choose a 10, a 10 has to choose YOU”

      MM was built for the hot girls like this. When you try to run just standard “winging it” direct-ish game like you did, it falls flat even tho it would work on like a 7.

      Do you HAVE to jump thru all these elaborate hoops? Probably not, guys have banged hot 10s with direct game before but 1) often they happen to just be in the right place at the right time and/or the girl likes their look/vibe right off the bar like he happens to be exactly what she likes, and 2) they generally can’t do it consistently because of that…whereas following the principles of how attraction works you KNOW the things you’re doing during this elaborate method are building attraction/receptivity in the girl that you’re more likely to be able to cash in on. Also some guys just want to get laid by anything and are happy to take home a 7 or 8 where they don’t have to do all this crazy chess shit and that’s totally cool. I’m a Thrill of the Hunt guy tho so I get off more on the chess game than the actual sex lol I get more satisfaction out of running a set like that even if I don’t get her than I do out of taking home a 6. Pleasure of Sex guys are wired different and would view the chess game as too much work for pussy and care more about getting laid. To each his own, it’s all good lol

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      • on August 10, 2015 at 11:17 pm The Awakened One

        @Yareally
        @Sentient

        Watched the MM Videos online. The way he explained multithreading was extremely useful. Feel that it would be overkill for 7s and under even though this seems to be a more tame version of the PIMP videos that you linked to. Experiences confirmed over the past few weekends that self deprecating openers do not work well on CBs (Figured it would open a 3 set with HB7.5 but got immediate shield even though hb7.5 seemed interested) and any HBs under 7. Got a really nasty shit test from a HB6 (In a 2 set with HB6.5) after using one of those openers after getting blatant AIs but just found the overall interaction to be extremely boring and yawn inducing. Made a half assed attempt to pull but the prize just didn’t seem worth it so just more confirmation that I”m toth.

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  38. on August 1, 2015 at 1:56 pm corvinus

    Clueless Guys Who Should Definitely Know Better

    …aka “alphas”… heh.

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  39. on August 2, 2015 at 7:57 am walawala

    Here’s an example of Face-Saving Recovery Game I just pulled off. It’s how to add a girl you’re gaming on Facebook without the creep vibe.

    I met this girl a week ago while I was djing a party. She’s young–28 or so, HB8, sexy in a very wholesome way. I danced with her a few times including one song where we ended up doing a solo while everyone cheered. She was cool about it which was a reason I found her attractive–she had a sense of adventure. She left the party before I could number close her—she was pulled away by many of her friends and orbiters who no doubt put in a bad word about me…but…

    I added her on Facebook. She accepted. How to open? Me: “Oh, it’s you. You look different in every photo…let me guess, as a master of disguise you’re a spy?”

    She replied in minutes: “hahahahaha no not really”

    Me: I knew you were trouble…you have that look my mom warned me about

    Her: ??? what?

    Me: Sweet and proper in public, crazy in private, but…

    her: But???

    Me: But…we dance well….you got true grit

    More banter, then I say: “If you promise to behave, let’s meet up for drinks”

    Her: sure

    Then logistics. I suggested a time and place.

    Then…the pause. She paused before reply for an hour. Which I took to mean she checked out my photos, probably checked with her friends and said “cu then”.

    Thing is…I banged one of her friends and it didn’t end well. I haven’t spoken to that girl for a year after she just pulled the disappearing act.

    Any thoughts on how to handle the questions: “How many girls from the scene have you gone out with???” I can’t lie, but I don’t want to tell the truth.

    The answer is 4 btw. All hot.

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    • on August 2, 2015 at 7:52 pm StAugustine

      easy answer “lol all of them”

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  40. on August 2, 2015 at 6:52 pm lichthof

    Everything I learnt about women is from Harry Enfield’s ‘poppet on a swing’. Brilliant.

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