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The “Three Boyfriend Blurts” Rule

August 3, 2015 by CH

Here’s a game tip for aspiring womanizers that more experienced swains probably already know:

The more a girl mentions her boyfriend — either by name or by label — during the course of a conversation originally unrelated to anything about her boyfriend, the likelier it is she is aroused by your presence and therefore compelled to grasp onto “verbal anchors” that remind her of her ties to her boyfriend so as to alleviate her swelling guilt and, in case things spin out of control, to back-rationalize any cheating she does as outside the realm of her personal responsibility.

I call this the “three boyfriend blurts” rule. I’ve found, unfailingly, that women who plug the word “boyfriend” three times or more into their conversations with me are invariably attracted to me and enjoying my company beyond the bounds of propriety. These are the tell-tale female cues that they are stricken by guilty tingles, and are feeling at once desirous, desirable, and ashamed.

Once I know this, I can construct the flow and direction of our conversation toward more seductive destinations.

Most men are put off when a girl mentions her boyfriend out of the blue and worse, over and over, but they should really consider it a seduction opportunity. When a girl wedges a discordant declaration of the existence of her boyfriend into her rambling train of thought multiple times, the odds of illicit romantic closure with a charming interloper rise commensurate to the number of boyfriend blurts. The multiple boyfriend blurts are less warnings to other men than they are signals to approach her from an angle, because “taken” girls spook easily, like horses.

There’s only one exception to this rule, and it’s a weak exception, hardly belying the general observation: Some girls — particularly high maintenance BPD drama queens — who have fallen for a new guy will declare it from the rooftops on the flimsiest pretexts. However, this stage of try-hard infatuation usually lasts for a few weeks, two months tops, and they are more pliable to a supple seduction than their protestations to the contrary would suggest.

Girls who truly love their boyfriends, who are low infidelity risks, and who are secure in the knowledge that their boyfriends love them back, will be noted for the *absence* of mentions they make of their boyfriends. Paradoxical at first consideration, it makes sense upon reflection… a committed woman in love feels no need to prop up her own sexual loyalty to her boyfriend nor feels much need to artificially inflate via verbal incantation the sexual loyalty of her boyfriend.

For this reason, it’s almost a welcome convenience to hear the anxious staccato blurts of a “””taken””” woman instead of the opaque discretion of a legitimately taken woman who feels little psychic tension to announce her disengagement from the dating market.

Best of all, of course, is to hear no reference to a boyfriend, but even that is no guarantee you wouldn’t play the unknowing part of the furtive rendezvous lover.

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  1. on August 3, 2015 at 12:22 pm jamesmarkii

    What if you know shes attached, but she doesnt know that you know and she never mentions a boyfriend/husband. How to proceed?

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 12:35 pm Peter Pan

      With game.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 12:47 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      her text: my bofriend my boyfriend my boyfriend
      da gbfm: bring da movies

      lzozoozzoo

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        later at da GBFM’s crib, watching da movies:

        her: my boyfirend my boyfiend my boyfriend
        da GBFM: splooge splooge sploogezlzolozolzolz

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 1:00 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      this is what you happen when you ban the heartsites:
      http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/03/twitter-slides-to-record-low-amid-growth-concerns.html
      “Twitter slides to record low amid growth concerns”

      for instance
      if starbucksz ever bannished da heartsitses
      den al da ladies would stop goingz
      in search of his cockaszlzozol
      and the stock
      would
      plummetz
      faster dan
      an LA 10
      going down on
      da
      GBFM

      lzozolzolzolzlzololz

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:36 pm mendozatorres

        CH’s Twitter feed was too powerful. And I still miss it. Shit!

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:38 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        da gbfm don’t do twitterz as 140 characterz isn’t big enough for da gbfmz :

        lzozozlzol

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm corvinus

        @mendozatorres

        You’ll have to make do with #cuckservative.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm Anonymous

        Beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing. They banned observations from the Chateau, then they announce concern over finding new twitter devotees (palm smacks head), then stock immediately takes a dive.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:20 pm nathan

      There are millions of single women. Don’t mess with a married woman.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:58 pm Aurelius

        Good point. Is there a more despicable creature than the cheating wife that has pledged herself to a husband/family/children? “Boyfriend”? Big deal. “Husband”? Fuck that. A friend of mine used to go that route until he had a fuming mad husband banging on his door at midnight.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      hey heartsitesstzt!!!

      please meet da gbfm’s grilfreinds (of the week):

      we were wondering if u could please cum over and demostratez wot a cuckholder is for an educactional videoz. da gbfm will be filming it as u will be occupied with ur hands full

      lzlozozoozooz

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 7:14 pm Jack Rackam

        I’d give her an 8

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 7:17 pm JohnDSee

      @jamesmarkii: Is this a real question?

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  2. on August 3, 2015 at 12:32 pm mendozatorres

    I had always had a sneaking suspicion of the BF utterance. Reminds me of by beta days, when such an occurrence would have paid off:

    At a bar for my roommate’s b-day. I see a nice looking dirty blonde, wearing a form-fitting dress that goes all the way down. She’s sitting with a chubby, tatted girl in jeans and a t-shirt. The blonde sees me and her feet point in my direction as she’s talking with her friend. Once I see that the blonde has eyed me twice, I walk over.

    I had never been good at approaching, but I had had enough of not approaching and all the signs were there. We got to talking. Found out I was 12 years their senior, but I didn’t feel old: I felt invincible. Talk, talk, talk. She mentions boyfriend. I folded, as was mentioned above.

    After the girls left, my friends were happy with me and by roommate’s girlfriend said I should have gotten her number. I said, nah, she’s got a boyfriend and she replies, “So?”

    Thanks for this CH! I’m running with this full force from now on.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 12:32 am The Spirit Within

      Girls invent fake boyfriends as shit tests. Treat them as such until proven otherwise.

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  4. on August 3, 2015 at 12:38 pm simon

    @jamesmarkii

    If you apply the logic in this post, you should conclude that she’s not into you. Move on and find easier prey.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 12:39 pm simon

      And yes, I just noticed the “Reply” button after I posted this. Mea culpa.

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  5. on August 3, 2015 at 12:42 pm Otsuka Duojinshi

    The three boyfriend blurt hamster? Hamster illustrated:

    My needs were covered by layer upon layer of denial. I was scrambling for reasons. But the truth was, even if he had had a successful career, I would have used it as an excuse to complain about neglect. He could never actually win. I was running a very common script, that of deciphering why he wasn’t enough for me and why I needed someone else—as if someone else could give me everything. As if there was one person who could be my Mr. Right and who could satisfy every ever-changing facet of my personality. At that point I still believed that this was possible…desirable…and necessary.”

    ― Louisa Leontiades, The Husband Swap

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 12:58 pm Sentient

      Because – hypergamy… Learn to see it as a feature not a bug. And know that it operates in micro windows – 15 minutes one day, an hour another, months or years at another time… swirling, cycling, never stopping…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm newlyaloof

        @Sentient, I appear to be stuck in that “years at a time” interval with the old lady. Not trying to deal with her dead libido any longer however. Gonna have the talk tonight about being a man and needing sh!t and getting it however I need to. Thought she’d turn around, but nope.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm theasdgamer

        Get options, Aloof. The old lady will smell them and come around. The “dead libido” will mysteriously resurrect, lolxlozlowloz.

        Talking is for dummies. What is your problem? Don’t you go out solo? Are you overweight?

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 1:24 pm newlyaloof

        @asd, got options all over the place. Just haven’t pulled the trigger.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm theasdgamer

        Patience, then. It takes time. Be secretive with your cell phone. Be vague about where you’ll be. Dress up more.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm Sentient

        @Newly – just scrap the talk, it will only set you back. Male thinking – I will tell her logically and she will do it… Not female thinking. Female thinking is scarcity – resources, affection, sperm… Better off to go fully aloof, start living your life, going out etc. Then she will come around.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm newlyaloof

        @Sentient, been doing dry runs for months. Easy pickings to be had. Should be interesting as she seems to want to “talk” now. I’ll just nod and listen as I know you can’t negotiate passion. Think I’ll just finally pull the trigger and do my own thing on the down low and keep the family unit intact and civil – regardless of what she may say.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 11:37 am Culum Struan

        newlyaloof – have you read MMSL dude? The original 2011 primer. It’s exactly about this. I’m not even married and I found it a good read – explained a lot of things I did wrong in my last LTR

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  6. on August 3, 2015 at 12:50 pm zaqan

    Really? This happened to me once with a girl I worked with (no longer) who we had really good chemistry and all that shit. Became close friends for coworkers. Within hours of meeting her, I found out she had a boyfriend and my less game-knowledged heart sank when he came to visit her that day by coincidence. I briefly interacted with him nonchalantly. Later on, we grew closer together as coworkers and I found out how to torture and tease her, completely unintentionally at first. I would mess up her work area without realizing it and it infuriated her. As soon as I realized that, I kept doing it. The game went on and on and I had to figure out new things every day. It was always a challenge. Kino was inserted when possible, and she was always amicable to it. I could never figure out a way to broach the subject or get her to some privacy. Perhaps that was for the best. I doubt she would have turned (other girls I teased would sometimes tattle, but she never did), but better safe that sorry.

    In any case, a few months after meeting her, she got an apartment with her boyfriend and shortly thereafter the namedropping began. It was like 6 months of dead silence and then she wouldnt shut up about him. So I figured that meant she was into him again since girls seem to obsess over shit like that new boyfriend syndrome thing mentioned. The fire between us remained, but it seemed to temper a bit, altho we started taking breaks together more. I probably shouldve hung out with her outside work, but didnt really think about it until I knew I was going to be leaving the job, at which point I just wanted to focus on gettin the hell out.

    Now I wonder…
    Ill have to see what shes up to one of these days. Its been a few months now.

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  7. on August 3, 2015 at 12:51 pm martin

    Just the other day I was talking to this girl about her ties, not to her boyfriend but about the item of clothing. She kept oddly bringing up things her boyfriend did although the whole time she was rather nice. I once quizzed a friend’s sister to see if she had ever lied about having a boyfriend and she said she had to some men before. So I assumed that when a girl mentions her boyfriend it was not an indicator of interest but a way of subtly suggesting to men not to head in that direction. Now, if it is a backhanded way of expressing interest, I passed up a great opportunity.

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  8. on August 3, 2015 at 12:56 pm Greg Eliot

    C’mon, guys… this is news?

    It’s been a running joke, here at the chateau, for awhile now… every time a chick posts and talks about her alpha, she gets teased with:

    “I have a boyfriendboyfriendboyfriend”.

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  9. on August 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm theasdgamer

    Kind of like “I have a loserhusband loserhusband loserhusband”

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  10. on August 3, 2015 at 1:15 pm FrothyJizz

    Fuck you CH! You’ve exposed my failing when approaching a former office colleague front and center.

    What happened:
    She’s a blonde sweety-pie attached to a high-value beta (pilot). I’m the average AFC in recovery with a keen nose for sweet poonani and some rascally reputation. So one day we find ourselves smoking outside and start talking about what her beta does (flying prop plane short-distance), me assenting and leering at her in a too-overt display of interest – she got it. So she blurts out 3x in row “I have a boyfriend” while changing to a serious demeanor. I didn’t say a word beyond “I know” and left it at that instead of going into a BF-destroyer routine as intended – I chickened out due to the probable job consequences, which caught up with me anyway 🙂

    Lesson learned: Don’t chicken out, go for the throat.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:05 pm Anonymous

      What do you mean about job consequences? You mean she got you fired/reprimanded/whatever anyway?

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm FrothyJizz

        Not she but my boss, also a she – for flirting “too much” with the girls – she hated me for not flirting with but “respecting” her.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 2:39 pm mendozatorres

        HAHA…damn, ain’t that always the way.

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      • on August 5, 2015 at 9:13 pm zaqan

        hahahahahaha I almost got fired for talking to girls too. I almost wish it would have happened so I could sue, and then have a great story.

        “Why were you fired?”
        “I was talking to girls…”

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:08 pm mendozatorres

      I recall a work experience similar to yours. Yes….go for the jugular!

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 9:15 pm JohnDSee

        Do you mean ‘carotid’? I know everyone says jugular, but they must mean carotid. Another common media myth. Maybe it’s just me.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 9:17 pm PA

        Veins (jugular) are just under the skin while arteries (carotid) are deeper in the tissue. It’s easier to locate and cut a vein.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 2:19 pm JohnDSee

        @PA- I’m aware of the location of said vessels, but once you hit the high-pressure carotid, it’s over. Not sure if people are implying that by ‘going for the jugular’, one is going for a slower, but possibly recoverable death, vs a quick and sure death. Maybe ‘jugular’ carries a different connotation. I don’t use either expression, so I was merely pointing out the higher possibility of actual, physical death, not the kind of emotional or psychological death commonly mentioned here. Cheers.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 3:46 pm PA

        The “jugular” expression comes from observing wolves or big cats in the wild attacking their prey.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm JohnDSee

        @PA- That’s a good enough explanation for me. I suppose I could have just searched it.

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  11. on August 3, 2015 at 1:17 pm Tempus Fuckit

    Back home for a couple weeks r&r – met up with an old buddy who’s a natural player, the only wingman I’ve gone out with.

    We lived together for over a year – I had my ex at that point, and had the bitch over a lot – they got on well.

    Had a discussion today:

    Him: So you still seein’ her?

    Me: Nah, we hooked up whenever I initiated but she never initiated – only if I asked her to within a certain timeframe or if I go ghost she’d hit me up a month down the line..

    Him: What you mean within a timeframe?

    Me: Say, I’d tell her to text me in a couple hours to confirm etc.. she’d comply.

    Him: K, so you broke it off with her?

    Me: Not exactly – I shot her a text after I dropped her off sayin’ I enjoyed the time with her, but if she wants to see me she’s gotta do the leg work and hit me up cuz I’m over bein’ the one initiating things

    Him: ..ok, what’d she reply

    Me: “Alright Tempus”

    Him: Mistake bro. How long ago you text her this?

    Me: July 21

    Him: She comes through when you initiate, you give this girl these lil compliance tests, she passes.. wtf man, you’re asking the world. Some bitches wanna be courted..

    Me: It’s complicated, man..

    Him: You could probably hit her up without losin’ too much hand…you can’t ask her out.. somethin’ random etc.. keep your game tight as fuck if you’re gonna follow thru.

    Me: ..I’ll get back to you on that

    **

    Thoughts? Is there a ‘restart text’ I can send, such as a “just met your twin” and if she bites, take it from there, but don’t suggest a hook up? Or keep ghost. The pussy is always there with this girl, so it’s a bit of a mindfuck to hold back..

    Btw, I am actively going out and gaming other girls.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:38 pm ragingindependent

      Yeah, hit with a ping test and take it from there. You seem to have other plates going so shouldn’t come off too needy. Lesson learned too, you can’t verbalize to a girl how she SHOULD act in a relationship/hookup. You can only keep your frame and decide how much she is worth the effort after she reacts to it. Just demote her to only the times you feel like putting in effort, you’ll drive yourself nuts expecting girls to initiate, they are by their nature, the responding sex.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:31 pm Sentient

        “Lesson learned too, you can’t verbalize to a girl how she SHOULD act in a relationship/hookup.”

        Let’s hope it’s learned, right Tempus? Everyone told you NOT to send that text…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 4:09 pm Tempus Fuckit

        @ Sentient – I had to, in a sense. lol honestly – this was a way for me to not initiate with her. It was stupid, yeah, because I did it with emotion involved..

        She states she doesn’t want a relationship, yet wants/does gf/bf shit with me.

        She wanted to train with me at the gym, I said nah, that’s for that boyfriend you don’t want..

        We hit to the beach, we shop together, eat out, I always stay overnight at her place (can’t have her at mine)..

        Yet she doesn’t reach out, and it really chaps my ass lol.

        @ragingindependent

        What kind of ping text would you use in a sitch like this.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 4:07 am Thoroughbred

        This is a really important point about women being the responding sex. I had some individual coaching sessions a few years ago with Robert Glover (No More Mr Nice Guy) and he really stressed this – that you should never expect a woman to initiate. The way he explained it was interesting: The male is the penetrator, the female is penetrated. The man takes what he desires and the woman submits. Good frame to keep in mind.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:09 am Tempus Fuckit

        @Sentient

        Mind if you shoot me an e-mail , I want to take care of this once and for all..

        i _ d u n n – o @ hotmail.ca

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:21 am Sentient

        Just post here Tempus… let the world in on things, for all to learn…

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 6:04 pm walawala

      I’ve done this. it’s like reverse psychology, it verbalizes what she’s already been thinking/doing. I’ve found that normal girls don’t suddenly withdraw. It’s usually girls with some type of issue that suddenly go cold. Calling them out on this behavior only makes them want to cover it up more so they freak out. I have a FB now. She suddenly went cool. She texts me for attention, I comply when I feel like it by bantering back and forth. She sexualizes. I tell her to behave. If she really wanted to meet up she would. There’s no sense in calling a girl out. As much as girls SAY they want a relationship, the minute you start verbalizing that you’re in one, want to grow one, or otherwise refer to what you’re doing as a relationship, they back off.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 8:22 am Sentient

      You have to realize though that your neediness is what keeps her from chasing you… you’ve got to fully walk through that valley and let go.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:50 am Tempus Fuckit

        Which means wait until she reaches out?

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:57 am walawala

        Tempus this girl wants you to lead. You have two choices: lead or just move on. But telling her to initiate. That’s not going to happen because of the dynamic. Sounds like she likes being dominated and having you make the decisions for her. Some girls are like this. Girls are motivated by dread not “call me when you’re free”.

        The only difference is in my case below. I wrote: “In that case maybe we should meet up when you feel more comfortable.”

        Note use “in that case”—I’ve decided. “maybe we should” vague “meet up” our action “when you feel more comfortable” that will force her to qualify herself. She’s indicated she’s NOT comfortable. I can’t MAKE her comfortable. I can game her when I see her, but I can’t do this by text, it’s too time consuming and she’ll throw the “me no speak English” when she wants to disengage.

        I’ve struggled with my own ideas about this. She won’t chase….because she doesn’t have to right now. If you want her to chase, disappear…but that requires you breaking contact UNTIL she reintiates. Think you can do that? if you can, do it. I’ve done it. I’ve disappeared for weeks, even months.

        The girl ALWAYS comes back in some form. I had a girl break up with me. Then after I ignored she started staring at me. I had decided anything short of her reinitiating was not gonna do it. She gives me IOI’s, she’s defriended me, she’s tried to smile, she’s done everything but what I want her to do so….no re-initiation. In other cases if there’s some outreach, I’ll fill in the gap. It depends on the girl, our history and what I think it means and my mood.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 9:38 am Sentient

        “Which means wait until she reaches out?”

        Which means wait until she chases you, if you still want her then that is… No contact. Go forward with your dynamic, passionate and authentic life. Be seen by her in the company of younger hotter girls. Have the time of your life. If you had started this back in January, you might have her coming around now here in August.

        what is she missing about you now? she has everything, FB and full boyfriend experience from you. why would she chase? where are you going? You keep training her that you will crawl back.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:52 am Tempus Fuckit

        Appreciate the replies fellas.

        We live a half hour apart, so it would be only hear-say that goes back to her – I’ve recently joined Tinder – in 2 weeks, 2 girls, so far..

        I put that text out to her because I had a feeling I was more emotionally invested in her than she was with me.. I had to put something out there to keep me from reaching out..

        Like I say, it’s a mindfuck because the sex has never been hotter.. looks like I cock blocked myself?

        @wala – The more cautious road would to be to keep up the ghost act, not matter how much I want to take the lead – this girl dances for me..I just lay there and watch her move/mimic the lyrics.. this happens everytime I’m over there.. lol such a mindfuck

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 12:18 pm Sentient

        @Tempus – think about this…. Gravity does not CARE what you believe… Red Pill evo /psych does NOT CARE what you believe. It’s all going to keep on keepin on. You can keep asking for another answer every 6 weeks, the nature of these situations isn’t going to change.

        As HABD tells you… swallow the pill all the way down. because it don”t matter that she’s hot, that she dances for you, that the sex is amazing… she ain’t doing what YOU want. So you don’t have what you want. No amount of selling how into you she is in other ways is going to change that.

        Swallow the red pill down. walk through the valley, come out the other side, for real this time…

        we have all been there…

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 9:15 am having a bad day

      @tempus

      “Thoughts? ”

      you know what we think…lol…

      but if you want to reinitiate, just do it…ignore the prior text and pretend it never happened…just text her for a meetup/bang…if she brings it up, it’s a shit test…just tell her you changed your mind…but going in, you should just accept that she is probably only going to be a fb…and she sounds like she’s a great fb…lol…or turn her into your primary fwb…just keep your eyes open and try to observe what happens in a outside observer kind of way…

      but this whole thing is just part of you spinning up a guard dog situ – you push her a little and she reacts and wins…you push her a little more and she wins…at some point (and that point might already be past…) you can never win/get what you want from this particular girl…her rolodex plays have always worked and so she will never accept some new way to interact with you…in the way you want her to be with you…plus, it just might not be in her personality to do what you want her to do…have you thought about that?…i know we say that AWALT, and that’s true, but there are broad variations involved. that’s why calibration is so important…lol…

      you still need to fix your bitterness, but that’s a process and takes time…and i completely understand why you sent that text (having been a butthurt beta for almost all of my life…lol) but that kind of stuff CAN’T work…it’s not possible…literally NOT POSSIBLE…but i only know that bc i finally let that red pill slide all the way down (and it was a bitch to choke down…)

      the reason everybody suggested not sending that text was that it’s the definition of beta…bc you are chasing her approval (and pouting bc you can’t get it)…the subcomm on that text was “is it ok for me to not contact you again?…” bc if you didn’t need her approval, you would have just stopped contacting her…lol…

      good luck!

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 2:25 pm Tempus Fuckit

        Thanks fellas..

        I will continue no contact.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 9:16 am having a bad day

      @tempus

      in mod…

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  12. on August 3, 2015 at 1:17 pm O

    That’s pretty much what I figured. The cashier at the nearby pharmacy tends to give me the eye and I’m not surprised; I’m a fairly good looking guy and she’s seen me walking in with different girls before. One day I go up to pay and she immediately starts a random conversation with her beta coworker about her newlywed husband. Even the guy seemed a little confused at the randomness of the conversation.

    I saw it as a sign of her attraction, but I wasn’t sure if it was her way to try to appear more attractive by showing that she is marriage material, or her way of subtly letting me know that if I ever wanted anything with her it would have to be on the low.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm Anonymous

      Both.

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  13. on August 3, 2015 at 1:17 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Very interesting. I hadn’t thought about it that much. Whenever a girl mentions a boyfriend I keep going as if nothing happened. Ignore it. Proceed without missing a beat.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm zaqan

      Thats what I do. You have to be careful not to even pause. The pause is an acknowledgement. Just keep going.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 10:34 pm Survivorman

      Her: “I have a boyfriend”..
      You: “Hey, that’s GREAT – when’s the wedding?”
      Her: “Oh, we’re not engaged..”
      You ” Well, it can’t be that serious then..” (and keep plowing)

      Old school PUA stuff.
      The “I have a boyfriend” schtick – is often a *shit test*.

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  14. on August 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm Goony AMbassador

    what if she’s just being bitchy and trying to scare you off by hinting at being already spoken for?

    [CH: three bf mentions has left the realm of “hint” and entered the realm of “guilty illicit thoughts.”]

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:22 pm nathan

      A girl who’s not interested won’t hint. She will come out and say she has a boyfriend in a way that strongly indicates she doesn’t want what you’re offering.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:05 pm Mac

        exactly. with or without mentioning a boyfriend, most girls can make it pretty clear when they aren’t interested.

        when they don’t make it clear. you keep pushing ahead until they do.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm seikis

        In that case, its not the fact that she mentions the bf. Its the WAY in which she mentions/brings such announcement. For example: As you’re beginning/starting conversation and she interrupts/show no interest in such in the first couple of minutes.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 9:41 pm JohnDSee

        @seikis – More like:
        AFC (to salesgirl): I’d like to try that watch in the second row.
        Salesgirl: My boyfriend just bought his father that watch for his birthday.
        AFC: ????

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  15. on August 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm Noel

    Hi CH & readers,

    Thanks for the great posts.

    I seek clarification — just starting out and reading up all your old posts, too.

    1. If a girl does NOT mention her bf, that is proof of fidelity? I always assumed, based on what I’ve read here and say Mystery’s remarks, that if she fails to mention her bf at all or only much later in the game that she was likelier to cheat, i.e., to rationalize her unfaithful behavior…?

    [CH: no. there’s no such thing as “proof of fidelity”. there are only leading indicators that inform the experienced man which women are more or less open to sexual adventures.]

    2. That a girl who outright mentions her bf in casual conversation is letting people know that she isn’t interested…?

    [it’s the number of times she outright mentions her bf that matters. that’s why the rule is called the THREE BOYFRIEND BLURTS rule.]

    Perhaps I’m missing refinements here…? [Cf. “Eluding I Have a Boyfriend”] [from that post byCH: “The key is to pay attention to the point in the conversation when she ejaculates the ‘I have a boyfriend’ line….’]

    [IHAB timing and IHAB frequency are two different concepts.]

    Just trying to figure out if a girl who never mentions her bf is open to be seduced…or if she does blurt it if she’s being faithful [i.e., back off buster] or follows the above scenario of being attracted but wanting to assuage guilt.

    [if a girl never mentions a bf, she either doesn’t have one and is open to flirting, or she does have one and you haven’t flirted with her clearly enough to trigger a bf confession from her.]

    This applies personally to me because I want to hit on as co-worker who has revealed to others that she has a bf. But she never mentions this in my presence [we’re not buddy-buddy, though]….

    Any help, thanks!

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:04 pm Heywood Jablome

      Avoid coworkers.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 9:53 pm JohnDSee

        Not interested in career chics. But if your coworker is a cute, young waitress, frame is all you need. Men who use the excuse of, ‘don’t shit where you eat’, etc., are usually just AFCs who haven’t broken free of the indoctrination. They may never break free. The HR meetings about inappropriate or disrespectful behavior…Nevermind, we all know what I’m saying.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm ms00

      I’ll share a story. My roommates were throwing a party and I showed up late, about 1 hour late. A lot of people were there and they introduced me to a group of people. 1 being a girl HB7 brunette – black hair pale white skin, and the first words out of her mouth were “my boyfriend” as we engaged in formalities. She mentioned her b/f is out of town blah blah. She was really cool, we clicked and I wasn’t even trying to steal her, and I even told her “ya your b/f and I should link up” (us being both web designers/artist). Later on that night as the alcohol wore on she confessed “you’re so hot how do you not have a g/f”, “we need to get you one”, etc.

      At the end of the night as she was saying goodbye with her friends right behind her. We exchanged numbers to give to her b/f and as we went to hug each other we made out and her b/f calling her at that exact moment interrupted us. The look on her face – she freaked out as her friends pulled her away (like it was my fault) and my roommate were in shock (game does that to betas). I just smiled and laughed. My roommate thought she was hot, but he’s beta and would never have the balls.

      A week later we sealed the deal. She even asked me what I thought she should wear the night we had sex. At the bar we went to she knew a couple (friends) and she told them we needed to go because she needed to get me hard and laid.

      This girl mentioned her b/f at the least about 5-6 times that night. This was the outcome.

      As CH says “no. there’s no such thing as “proof of fidelity” NEVER, EVER

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  16. on August 3, 2015 at 1:26 pm O

    I’ve always theorized that something similar to this happens on social media. If a girl tends to over-advertise the love she has to her boyfriend, or put too many pictures together with her boyfriend, she is on constant search for strange dick on the low. Most of the times the boyfriend is an average skinnyfat joe.

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  17. on August 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm Holden Caulfield

    I would venture to say that close to 50% of the hook ups I’ve had in the last 5 years have been women in relationships. Although I’ve not thought much about the boyfriend line being dropped into conversation, in retrospect, CH is spot on with the analysis.

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  18. on August 3, 2015 at 1:29 pm Anonymous

    I wish I had known about this back in my 20s. I was at a party, and saw this cute girl 5 or so years younger than me standing in the corner by herself, so I went over and introduced myself. I was horribly beta at the time, with no game. 5 minutes into the convo, she mentions that she ‘is seeing someone’. I said ‘oh, okay then…’ and started to turn away. She quickly blurted out that they were breaking up though, so I asked her out. From the beginning, there were *very* strong IOI’s, but I didn’t feel comfortable going for sex, since I was looking for an LTR. Unfortunately (or maybe not), I waited 1 date too long, and found myself firmly friend-zoned. Real cognitive dissonance, since I was trying to ‘respect’ her and not try to get into her pants too quickly, and look what it got me (or didn’t get me lol.) A couple of months later, I was walking down the street and saw her walking a 1/2 block or so ahead of me holding hands with some guy. Based on a convo with a mutual friend, I was pretty sure this was the ex, so even if I *had* been able to get something going, she would most likely have dumped me for him anyway (I was basically told that she was the dumpee and had not wanted to split with the then BF).

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  19. on August 3, 2015 at 2:08 pm Donohoe

    What if the opposite happened?

    When a girl mentions a guy friend when talking with her boyfriend, or talks about a story that day that involved the friend more than 3 times

    Open to all ideas. Rsvp motherfuckers.

    [CH: short answer: trouble ahead. long answer: trouble ahead.]

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:14 pm Donohoj

      Yeah I had an ex that used to do this. Absolute psycho.

      Seems the more hot they are, the more psycho they seem to be. There’s an amusing graph for this on youtube somewhere.

      Tried to simplify this comment in a separate comment but I dunno whether it’s come through. Feel free to delete it.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:52 pm Aurelius

        Are you referring to the infamous hot-crazy matrix? Funny as shit video too.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:25 pm nathan

      Women in relationships shouldn’t have “guy friends” in the first place.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 2:42 pm zaqan

        Is there a way to ban that or do you have to use reverse psychology and dread to keep her firmly attached? We live in a coed world now (if we ever didnt), so everyone with any social ability has opposite friends. I highly doubt any girl would keep away from other guys.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:44 pm FrothyJizz

        @Zaqan:

        To shoo away the guys leering at your LTR, tell her jokingly every now and then that if you ever catch her with another guy, you’ll think about what you’ll do to her while reaming the guy in front of her.

        That works for me, plus it elicits giggles.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 3:47 pm Donohoj

        It used to be okay

        But boredom, choice and opportunity is the curse of the west for women now – even older ones

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 6:10 pm walawala

      @Donahue yes…learned this the hard way. Crazy ex started asking me about a mutual “friend”. I thought of the guy as a total loser. Then suddenly she wasn’t available, started withdrawing. She shot me a text: “First birthday dinner”. Me: “more handcream?” no response. Hmmmm.

      Turns out she’d confessed later she went out to a restaurant for her birthday with this guy. He kept talking about how he knew her sister—weak comfort game. I. Flipped. Out. We broke up a short time later. They ended up together for a while. But I couldn’t tell to what degree.

      Recently he celebrated his birthday and in our Latin dance club they do a round robin with girls switching to dance with the birthday boy. She made a point of parading in front of me which I did my level best to ignore by talking with friends. Afterwards she left….alone. He stayed. Clearly there was nothing more between them and he was a convenient vehicle to try to piss me off. When it was clear it no longer worked because I no longer care she left early.

      Trust your instincts. Girls don’t hang out with guys. There’s a term called “Triangulation” in reference to Cluster B behaviours. It’s where a girl will introduce third elements—work, friends, pets, kids and often another guy to dilute the relationship and distance.

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    • on August 5, 2015 at 11:21 am theasdgamer

      Trouble ahead?

      Mrs. Gamer mentions her ex-bf from time to time, especially when I buy a new retro CD. Some musician he liked to listen to, typically. I ask her if she wants to change CDs. No. I don’t change them. 5h1t test passed. The artist becomes mine. I AMOG the absent ex-bf.

      This a.m. was blogging in the basement. Mrs. Gamer came downstairs to ask me if I wanted this to be a one- or two-lay day. I don’t reply to the question directly. Mrs. Gamer is chasing her quarry–me. For sex. Mrs. Gamer and I are felicitous. Smooth sailing.

      (All you losers AFCs who berate me for going clubbing solo on the weekends, enjoy your solo sessions in the Masturbatorium as I am getting twoadays with a bangable broad. chuckle)

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  20. on August 3, 2015 at 2:11 pm Anonymous

    This is why well-meaning but misguided comments to the effect of “game posts are for juveniles, politics posts only please” or undue disparaging of commenter who post solely about pickup are wrong.

    From the frame of public service, a leading alt-Right blog is only secondarily a place for regulars to talk about their favorite subjects. Primarily, it is there to open the eyes of new readers. There are new boys turning 15 every day and for them, learning the Crimson arts and the reality of female nature is an immediate need.

    This post reminded me of exactly such a textbook IHAB moment in my twenties. I was out with a very pretty fellow grad student, a German girl. I already knew she had a fiancee at home in Germany, and i wasnt thinking about baging her or anything like that.

    But one evening after a lecture we were out walking around the city and started joking around, which escalated to grabbing and ticlking. We faced each other and I was about to go in for a kiss. She kept smoldering eye contact, and incongruently to the spontaneous moment, blurted out something idiotic about how ahe loves her fiancee. Blindsided, I didn’t kiss her and the moment was over.

    A fifteen year old me would have been well served by this post.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:53 pm PA

      This was me. I though the comment was lost. Re-written below.

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  21. on August 3, 2015 at 2:27 pm Noel

    Thanks for your replies, CH!

    Quick follow-up:

    So co-worker #1 never mentions bf in front of me but to other co-workers (who are female. So I assume this still falls under the “I haven’t flirted clearly enough to force her to confess the IHAB?

    [CH: mm, not necessarily. it could be the case that she doesn’t think you’re coming onto her in any way (or that she doesn’t see you as a threat to her sexual fidelity), or it could be that she’s one of those girls who hides her relationship status around men she’s attracted to. the TBB Rule doesn’t preclude the existence of these other kinds of reactions that girls may have around men who aren’t their primary lovers.]

    And if she never does confess, how should I interpret that?

    [you won’t know how to interpret that until you make your move.]

    BTW: I had texted her for drinks. She initially said “Friday?!” but then balked/flaked with “change of plans let me get back to you at work”. Never did.

    [ok, this sounds like she was dating another guy and wasn’t sure if it would get serious, so she was leaving her dating options open. but then her feelings for the other guy got stronger, or his got stronger for her, and so she closed the door she had opened for you.]

    So related to CH’s older posts: what are good indicators to persevere [underrated alpha trait] or NEXT her? Both are core CH “alpha” traits…. [I think I ought to NEXT, but I could be wrong].

    [since this is a coworker, i’d tread carefully, next her. she’s not chasing you even a little bit. she has all the hand.]

    Co-worker # 2 often mentions her husband in conversation. I’m not interested in #2 nor have I flirted with her. So these irritating outbursts — how would you see that as? General status whoring?

    [is she constantly crowing about her husband’s accomplishments? probably status whoring for the benefit of female coworkers.]

    Thanks!

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm nathan

      My advice would be to save yourself a lot of drama by focusing your attention on one of the millions of girls in the world who isn’t in a relationship and isn’t a co-worker. But, if you insist, be as direct with her as possible about your intentions. If she doesn’t take the most obvious out by mentioning her boyfriend, I would take that as a pretty strong indicator that she’s interested. But, again, why risk the drama?

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  22. on August 3, 2015 at 2:40 pm ragingindependent

    It should be noted that this is a higher end technique post. Noobs should probably stick to higher percentage no BF girls. It would be like practicing your drag bunt all day when you’re batting .190.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm shartiste

      Very true. Noob or not, infidelities are tangled webs. Still, some girls will say they have a boyfriend when they don’t, and a good boy scout always comes prepared.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 2:58 pm ragingindependent

        Of course, when in doubt plow, just be realistic at your chances based on your game level, it’s a low percentage play.

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  23. on August 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm 88

    “Girls who truly love their boyfriends, who are low infidelity risks, and who are secure in the knowledge that their boyfriends love them back, will be noted for the *absence* of mentions they make of their boyfriends.”

    absolutely agree with this. seems like the girls who are really happy with their men will only mention the boyfriend if you are super persistent and won’t back off. they find other ways to deflect you, they don’t lead with the boyfriend comments. it’s only the unhappy girls who aren’t happy who bring up the boyfriend every other sentence.

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  24. on August 3, 2015 at 2:44 pm shartiste

    This is great because she is taking herself through the seduction steps. Any ostensibly innocent escalation you make now gives her plausible deniability. She can keep talking to you, nothing will happen since she told you she has a boyfriend. She can give you her number, nothing will happen since she told you she has a boyfriend. She can grab a drink with you, nothing will happen since she told you she has a boyfriend.

    Then…. “it just happened”.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 3:07 pm Mac

      yep. if she’s still talking to you. she’s interested.

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  25. on August 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm tspark from mobile

    Her: IHAB
    You: That’s what my last gf said.

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  26. on August 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm Johnnie Walker

    Happened on more than one occasion but I rarely pursue.

    What if they say something along the lines of:

    “[insert boyfriend’s name here] is such a pussy. He should hang out with you more often. Maybe he’ll grow some balls.”

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 3:00 pm shartiste

      Funny, I’ve gotten this a few times. The “boyfriend” was invariably a beta pussy, and by proxy, the girl saying it was unattractive. It would be a rare thing for a pretty girl to say this, because pretty girls never keep boyfriends around if they would say this about them. They just leave and find someone better, because they can.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 6:53 pm Johnnie Walker

        It’s a funny story. The chick was actually pretty cute. She was this petite blonde biker, kinda trashy though. I happened to know the boyfriend before I met her. I’d have a cigarette with her in the mornings before classes started. I threw in some subtle teasing once in a while and made her blush a bit, but overall I didn’t want to risk a conflict with the overcompensating beta boyfriend. One morning she had a fight with him and threw me that line up there lol. I just smirked and changed the topic. I don’t talk to her anymore, but I always found those little moments with her amusing.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 8:38 pm Sentient

      This is exactly why men and women can never really be friends…

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  27. on August 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm shartiste

    How she acts after she mentions the boyfriend matters more than timing or frequency. A loyal girl will mention her beau when you attempt to escalate things, then she’ll eject if the convo goes beyond polite chat again. A legsspread town bike will mention a boyfriend and keep letting you flirt with her, if you dare. One is a rejection, the other a mere shit test.

    When she mentions the boyfriend, you shake it off and take your base… then try to steal second.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 2:57 pm 88

      “A legsspread town bike will mention a boyfriend and keep letting you flirt with her, if you dare. One is a rejection, the other a mere shit test.”

      yep.

      and that town bike will no doubt defend herself with a half-hearted…but i told him i had a boyfriend if she happens to get caught by said boyfriend. women are evil.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 5:04 pm Donohoj

      You give girls way more credit of self-control than they actually possess. No such thing as a “loyal” girl.

      If leonardo di caprio wanted your girlfriend, she wouldn’t say no. Once you understand that, it’s much easier to accept women and use them (enjoy them) like they use you. It’s just their nature.

      Watch Julien Blanc’s videos on emotional stimulus and how it’s all about “having fun” and “escaping” – he eventually fucks these “attached” girls in bathrooms

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 6:22 am shartiste

        Expand your sample set beyond the girls who go to dank bars to get fucked by Julien Blanc in a bathroom and you’ll find plenty of loyal girls. If you don’t think a girl can be loyal you’ve never given one enough oxytocin to make her loyal to you.

        This RSD shit is retarded. Go ahead and post Tyler’s “Your girl is a slut” video for good measure.

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      • on August 6, 2015 at 12:43 am 88

        @ Donohoj

        shartiste is exactly right. it always amazes me how many people on here pull that bitter whiny crap saying there are no good girls, no loyal girls blah blah blah. that’s a bunch of shite. and it’s lazy.

        there are good ones out there. not as many as there used to be for sure so you do have to lock them down when you find them. but they do exist. and shartiste is correct. you aren’t going to have much luck finding quality girls in divey bars or nightclubs. you also aren’t going to get them if you aren’t the kind of high quality man they expect and deserve.

        if you do actually want high quality girls like most of us do, you have to take it seriously. you put in the work and become a high quality man. then you go to places where high quality girls gather. you circulate in social circles where the majority of the women are sweet, feminine, and traditional, not bitchy, masculine, and trashy. you make sure you’re always screening out the bad eggs quickly so you don’t damage your reputation and waste your time on them when you should be focusing on the girls who are actually worth it.

        and when you do find a good one, you can definitely keep her loyal, happy, and pleasing you, IF you know how to NOT screw it up once you find her.

        game isn’t about just surviving and making due in a world filled with rude, crude, sub-par girls. to me it’s about about getting into a position where i don’t even have to give those sub-par girls the time of day. and i don’t. because i know i can get better and they are a waste of my time.

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  28. on August 3, 2015 at 2:51 pm WhiskeyOneZule

    Kicking the second dog makes this one for me.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 8:35 pm Sentient

      Could not stop laughing at this. Thanks.

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  29. on August 3, 2015 at 2:52 pm PA

    This is why well-meaning but misguided comments to the effect of “game posts are juvenile, let’s have only politics posts” miss the point. So does undue scorn for commenter who only post about game.

    From the perspective of advancing the cause, a leading blog is only secondarily a place for regulars to talk about their favorite subjects. Primarily, the purpose of such a blog is to awaken new readers. There are new boys turning 15 every day; for them — and for our posterity — learning crimson arts and about the nature of women is a more immediate need than politics.

    I’m writing this because the original post reminded me of exactly this IHAB moment in my twenties. One evening after a lecture I walked with a fellow grad student, who was a very pretty German girl. I knew she had a fiancee at home in Germany and I wasnt thinking about banging her.

    Conversation changed to joking, which became grabbing and ticking and then we stopped still and faced each other inchest apart. Her eyes were smoldering. And then incongruently with the moment, she blurted out something idiotic about how she loves her fiancee. Wheels halted, I stepped back, the moment burst and the conversation returned to mundane normal.

    A fifteen year old me would have been well served by a game post such as this one.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 4:01 pm Sentient

      Great point PA. Legacy for the young uns… growing up the code in my WC neighborhood was “don’t mess with other guys girls”. So when in college, confronted by many sweet things, who all “had boyfriends” back home or another school, well I just took them at their word and FZ’d myself. Like yeah – laying on her bed with one to “study” for tests, to have another come over and make dinner etc… Ruled them out.

      My eyes were opened, too late when the news came out that I was transferring schools and then all these girls came out of the woodwork asking why we never got together, didn’t hook up, etc… I was like WTF! You all said you had boyfriends…!

      Learn now young ones…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 8:11 pm The Other Anonymous

        Women have a monkey’s appetite – if they have an banana, they want an apple, if the have an apple they want a banana. If they have a boyfriend – they want NSA sex – if they have NSA sex – they want a boyfriend.

        You’ve touched on the key factor – Scarcity. Whatever is perceived as being hardest to obtain – at that moment – is what they want most. I have a boyfriend – and I’m not that kind of girl – are two faces of the same token resistance.

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  30. on August 3, 2015 at 3:03 pm theasdgamer

    “You know I have a fiancé?” Right before she said she’d call me when she got back in town to bang.

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 5:37 pm peckerwood

      must’ve stopped the pill right around a month earlier in prep for babies…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 9:25 pm theasdgamer

        Gives one pause…I did ride her bareback. She *said* she was on the pill. She was a brilliant math major. Likely was on the pill and didn’t want a baby to interfere with her career.

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  31. on August 3, 2015 at 3:25 pm Glengarry

    I’ve always seen the bf declaration as “let’s be discreet, kay?”.

    And, come to think of it, when you hear it you are probably experiencing the business end of hypergamy. Congratulations!

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  32. on August 3, 2015 at 3:56 pm pilot75

    I’ve got a barista constantly doing this every time I flirt with her. Recently, I decided to count the BF drops and it hit 7. 7! All the while she’s smiling and staring away at me. I often wondered if it was a sign of guilt over a woman’s horniness and hypergamy that she has to keep reminding herself of her “relationship” and now I fully believe it is. Keep escalating past the BF drops.

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  33. on August 3, 2015 at 4:09 pm Elmer Jack

    From the title I though you meant what it means after she has casually mentioned three of her former boyfriends.

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  34. on August 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm Skinner

    No one wants to account for how this works in social media? Cool, I’ll do it. The self-same bishes who post endlessly about their supersweet boyfs are the very same ones who are most likely to cheat. Again, this isn’t a perfect mapping, but it’s a strong indicator. Happily partnered gals might signpost the occasional romantic meal or trip away. But the equivalent of the TBB online are endless pointless FB selfies where the male looks gormless, uncomfortable or is leaning in while she mugs for the camera; or alternatively, endless status-whoring about what an attentive darling who smothers her in gifts and attention he is.
    Low SMV women who status-whore their “taken” status are simultaneously advertising their hypergamous base level. If you can beat their beta, in other words, you’re on like Donkey Kong.

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  35. on August 3, 2015 at 4:16 pm The “Three Boyfriend Blurts” Rule | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  36. on August 3, 2015 at 4:32 pm Raj

    What does the 9th commandment mean? How do you connect with a girl’s emotions?

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  37. on August 3, 2015 at 4:36 pm Mario

    Wow, my experience is the complete opposite.
    Well, Eastern Europe but whatever..
    Chicks with tingles don’t mention BF, in fact, they often claim they *don’t* have one.
    Often , I discover BF post bang, when I check back their fb profile

    Sometimes, I blatantly ask. (maybe lame, but I like to confront to reach the knowledge). Boyfriend actually doesn’t matter. Question is always answered emotionally. If not attracted , even single girl will make up BF. If aroused, “taken” girl will deny BF in no time.

    Strange in context with orig.post, but I observed this more than enough to draw conclusion

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm Putin

      Hey Mario, did you see the post I was trying to ask you about? Started under the Trump article a week ago. Value your opinion. Wrote some updates since…

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm Putin

      I would suspect Eastern European women are a bit different from American women in a good way.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 11:12 am Mario

        Hey Putin, I didnt see. Now I looked all the way up to 14th July , with Ctrl+F, looking for the post, couldnt find at all. Which exact article? Ill try to weigh in. Hope u did well

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 3:29 pm Putin

        Mario, here are the past 3 updates. The problem is a lot of the responses seem to be getting a PUA filter which is not always reliable.

        July 23 Literal Cuckservatives “HELP ME, IVE FALLEN AND CAN’T GET UP”

        July 30 How Will You know when The Shiv Has Hit The Bone? UPDATE FIELD REPORT”

        July31 Face-Saving Recovery Game “Going Live Macro Versus Micro face-saving recovery game.”

        Today I went to my HP for the first time this week. Was out front on ,my phone when I see the Arabic gal pass me by from my backside. She has earphones in but no doubt saw me and elected to ignore. She came earlier than usual. SO I go about my business outside and after about an hour she comes outside(she has never come outside to talk or do business) and I say hello, how are you feeling? She says that she is still a little under the weather as it is a virus which should clear in 4 days. I say “well don’t kiss me because I don’t want to get sick” she responds with “I have no plans to, as I said I am very upfront about things.” So then she starts walking in front of me while listening to her phone. She had tights on so the view was nice but then a blond 9 walks out and I am getting pissed because there is no way I am going to approach the 9 in front of the Arabic gal and I see my opportunity walk away. I finally decide to go back to the office as the Arabic gal has sat at a table next to me. I walk over and put out my hand and she hands her hand to me in a feminine way and I say “you have a good evening” She kind of seems disappointed and says “are you leaving?” I say yes, I have to go…….

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  38. on August 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm The Other Anonymous

    Just don’t make the mistake of assuming that discretion will apply or be maintained by her. She’ll still blab to all her girlfriends, who’ll blab to their girlfriends – and on and on. Discrete men are demand – and the jungle telegraph will spread word at light speed.

    An FB threw a party for her boyfriend. Formal thing – sit down dinner. I was sat next to her friend – a blonde who I’d never met before. After a little situational chit-chat, she comes out with – “FB tells me you’re cock’s not big – but that you really know how to use it.” … Surprise!

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  39. on August 3, 2015 at 4:57 pm Noel

    Unrelated game question / observation:

    1. question. when girls ask how old you are. I suppose the question doesn’t mean much until you bust an unambiguous move and gauge her response? Not to beat a dead horse [I’ve already nexted] but co-worker #1 before she flaked had asked other co-workers how old I was [my bday recently came up] and when she eventually found out my birth year [1974] she thought it should’ve been 1983… for me i always assumed if a girl isn’t attracted to me [like status whoring co-worker #2] she wouldn’t ask around [she didn’t ask me] because she wouldn’t care. unless it’s general nosiness? btw this girl is 24 y.o. and i just turned 41 but i presumably look like i’m in my 30s [what other people say; i don’t think about it too much]. just asking if there are any game deductions to be drawn from the age question [i.e., why?]

    2. observation. conversation starters. I don’t know if CH et al. would classify it under ‘peacocking’. I recently messed up my right hand bad [typing only with left] so had surgery, and now the hand is in a splint. People seem to gravitate to it naturally and start conversations [‘what happened?’] along with eliciting a lot of ‘poor you’ remarks and ‘get well!’ wishes. The handicap is real not apparent like peacocking, and obviously it doesn’t show some evo superiority…but it lubricate social intercourse! surprisingly people are thrown off when i give a non-straightforward answer….i don’t know if it’s my delivery or people in san francisco [where i am] lack a sense of humor….

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 6:17 pm walawala

      @Noel. This is an IOI. It indicates the girl is curious about you and perhaps trying to create obstacles to getting together–age would be one.

      I handle this by saying either I’m super old…or just 39 and leave it at that. Then I say ‘You want a boy or a man?’

      Normally I don’t bring up my real age until long after i’m banging a girl because by then it doesn’t matter. I look and seem younger. I’m also able to talk about current trends—music, pop culture etc—which is vital for guys trying to bang younger girls. They want to appear older…you want to appear more mature while at the same time reassuring their hamster that you’re not totally out of touch with their world.

      Don’t make pop references that give away a different era—-watch current tv talk shows to pick up on current pop references. This is vital for older dudes to stay plugged in. Don’t put down FB or Twitter or Instagram—you sound like their dad. I just sidestep questions about “Did you see that thing on FB?” if I haven’t seen it. “FB is ghey” is not appealing. “I don’t use those things…” not attractive. “I don’t post much…” is a better response.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 6:57 pm Noel

        thx walawala. I agree with you 100%. i don’t and didn’t bring up my age (that seems only to hinder and not help pre-bang)…but she was asking around, and i found that out from another co-worker. but i may have blown it or i may have misread things as this 24 y.o. co-worker pays no attention to me at work and flaked after my text of asking her out for drinks (see above). ALSO: i don’t know if earlier i pissed her off [better jerk than nice guy?] or not (I don’t & didn’t care). she gave me shit for my hand injury & age (“if you were younger you wouldn’t have got injured). I said, lamely, that age didn’t matter; i’d have wrecked my hand earlier, too. BUT: i then went up to her, examined her face, and said: ‘oh i dunno…tsk, tsk…i see a few wrinkles myself.’ She got so livid she said; “fuck you”. I was shocked that 1) she said that period [no witty retort back at me?] and that 2) she said it at work…but outwardly i laughed it off and walked off…this was before i texted her asking for drinks. After the flake she doesn’t speak or text with me at all unless work related. i’ve nexted her but for my own amusement i wonder if i blew it or if I misread her [i.e., she wasn’t interested in the first place. though why she blew up like that is incomprehensible. if you’re 24,you’d think i was full of shit…n.b.: in some convos she tended to talk about heavily abstruse things [i could go there, but why talk physics or philosophy with a girl, and would she really kinow what the hell she is talking about? unlikely….

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:07 pm Sentient

        Low probablity play to neg her on something she can’t change…

        I’ve done exactly this but with a twist… I looked very closely at the corner of her eye from a few inches away… Stared silently for a minute… Then guessed her age, deliberately trying to shoot a year or two low. And I was dead on. And the point was made but her face wasn’t rubbed in it… The discomfort she felt while I have her the discerning treatment was palpable. When I felt the shift I knew I had all the cards.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:20 pm Noel

        looking back i agree…the ‘wrinkle” comment was too unsubtle and insulting to qualify as a neg, let alone a good neg…but given her behavior she’s completely uninterested now….

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:22 pm PA

        My neg rule of thumb: go after things she can control, like goofy behavior or accessories, not after things she has little or no control over like age or body type.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm Sentient

        Noel – consider this… she was hurt because you hurt her, i.e. she WAS into you. You might recover this with some careful beta game. Frame is critical, but something like catching her in a quiet moment alone, closing space, laser eye, pause, pause… and slight kino – “I miss our little chats”… then the roll off take away. POOF you are gone. THEN a few days later invite her for a coffee. Might be worth a shot.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:31 pm Sentient

        Oh – and she was a 7 or below right?

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:40 pm walawala

        Agree here with Sentient and PA, that wasn’t a neg it was an insult and she was hurt. A better “neg” is “I knew you were trouble…” or “Behave” or frame her as “young lady”.

        But since she’s a co-worker, not a good idea overall.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm Sentient

        I misread her… Why she blew up is incomprehensible…

        Welcome to game. I like to equate game to driving. Gas is attraction. Brake is comfort. Clutch is rapport. Constantly adjusting as required.

        The difference between you driving mindlessly down the 405 and an F1 driver carving Monaco is reaction time and experience. Keep playing and you will develop both.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 8:26 pm Sentient

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 6:18 pm Benson

      surprisingly people are thrown off when i give a non-straightforward answer….i don’t know if it’s my delivery or people in san francisco [where i am] lack a sense of humor….

      What kind of comments do you make? I think you’re right to avoid explaining what happened and trying to inject some humor instead.

      A few I can think of off the top of my head:

      Girl: What happened?

      You: I got it in the war

      You: …Cancer

      You: Unfortunate bobsledding accident

      These are admittedly childish, stupid even. But if you say any of them with a straight face, you can get a conversation going.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:10 pm Sentient

        Yeah… Wrestling the monster…

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:11 pm Sentient

        Wait what did you think meant?

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:22 pm Noel

        I think your examples were better [pithy]…the ones i gave were stupidly too complicated [e.g., jilted psycho ex etc.]

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:49 pm Benson

        I think your examples were better [pithy]…the ones i gave were stupidly too complicated [e.g., jilted psycho ex etc.]

        I have to check myself constantly; pithy, playful openers turn into try-hard pickup lines very easily.

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  40. on August 3, 2015 at 5:35 pm Stationarity

    Does this hold when there aren’t IOI’s? Maybe she thinks you’re dense? And does it matter if she drops this over text, as opposed to in person?

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  41. on August 3, 2015 at 5:54 pm CMD13

    Soooo really the lesson here is to hit on women regardless of their relationship status until they reject you or you get the desired outcome. All game principles apply bf or no bf.

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  42. on August 3, 2015 at 6:30 pm Putin

    .My wife is the best shit tester I have ever met. She emasculates other men just by looking at them. Don’t ever believe that an Apex Alpha would not prefer a women who does not constantly shit test. The things I do to slap them down would offend people here. They never stop. I’m starting to think she would be a lot happier with a concubine in the picture

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 6:48 pm Benson

      Well now I’m curious. You have to share at least one example.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 7:44 pm Putin

        Benson I shared one already and it offended a couple people.

        But here is another. This past weekend(they tend to come then) asked me if we could go out and enjoy some drinks, have fun. No way in hell I was going to do this because when I placate her it always ends with a booby trap. So I say no but we can go get some coffee. So we get there and she starts with the seating situation. Says what about those chairs over there? I say no, the chairs I picked are fine. We drink some coffee and somehow it gets to the topic of having to work.(I sent her back to work after 16 plus years of homeschooling and looking at Facebook. It also is helping financially since my bus is slow. By the way it was one of the best things I ever did.) She then gets going about her fear of our financial situation even though we have no debts and savings to last a few years. One of her favorite shit tests. I go to my standard response that she just doesn’t seem to be happy and that we need to find a good beta provider who will make her a happier person. It continues and I say come out when you are ready. I get up and walk outside and wait for her to finish. She comes out and sometime while we are getting in the car she brings up that an old boyfriend asked to be her friend on LinkedIn and he is going on the QVC network to show his product. She adds that “I don’t know how he found me”. I don’t miss a beat and say well that will work, when we get home we can craft a response so that you can have lunch with him. She says no I don’t know if I really liked him. We get home I go do my thing. I go into the bedroom and she comes in and somehow I bring up getting her together with Mr. QVC. She says “you know when you say things like that it really hurts me.” I say well stop bringing up that you have to work, as it has become passive aggressive. She says alright I am sorry. I say no, it is not about sorry, it is about either stopping it or finding someone who can make you happy. She kind of smiles and says “is that something you read on one of those Alpha sites?” I said no. She leaves and within minutes is humming and happy.

        and on and on it goes.

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      • on August 3, 2015 at 8:04 pm Benson

        I don’t miss a beat and say well that will work, when we get home we can craft a response so that you can have lunch with him…She kind of smiles and says “is that something you read on one of those Alpha sites?” I said no. She leaves and within minutes is humming and happy.

        and on and on it goes.

        Not offensive. Hilarious, though.

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  43. on August 3, 2015 at 6:42 pm Just Saying

    Most men are put off when a girl mentions her boyfriend out of the blue

    I’ve always seen it for what it is – a statement but certainly not anything that will stand in the way of sex with her. It’s sort of her way of absolving herself of guilt at what will happen. I’ve had women tell me “I don’t want to cheat on my bf/hubby” and I take it for what it is a statement. If she didn’t want to cheat on bf/hubby she wouldn’t be back at my place – she could have bowed out, but she didn’t so it’s her way of not taking responsibility for being f**ked silly. That way she can say, “I told him I was married”, or “that I had a bf”. But I’ve never found it to stand in the way of a good time – and in some instances she will actively use it to turn herself on. I’ve had them call hubby or bf when she’s being f**ked and more than a few have wanted me to cum when they are on the phone with him. I figured whatever floats their boat is fine with me.

    But if anything I’ve found a declaration of a bf or hubby to be a statement that she’s ready and willing to get it on.

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  44. on August 3, 2015 at 7:12 pm Joe Sixpack

    This story just appeared on Yahoo.

    “Yes I cheated. No, I don’t regret it”

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7926410?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&ref=yfp

    The hamster is strong is this one.

    IHAB. “one thing led to another”. “it just happened”.

    Red Pill crash course.

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  45. on August 3, 2015 at 7:21 pm Anon

    Makes a lot of sense. I’ve had a few instances where I met someone new who had an association with a friend of mine where they out of the blue mentioned their boyfriend in the first few sentences totally unrelated to what we were talking about. It was confusing and I didn’t know why they were doing it. The fact it was a friend of a friend is important because the context felt, to me at least, like one of total politeness.

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  46. on August 3, 2015 at 8:27 pm Moses

    My favorite go-to line to “I have a boyfriend” was always “No worries. I’m great with boyfriends.” Then ignore and plow. Worked every time.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 2:03 pm ms00

      I might have to trade mine in for yours – mine is “don’t worry I’m not the jealous type”

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  47. on August 3, 2015 at 9:11 pm Kevin

    To all of you reading this: there are tons of women out there. Don’t be an ass and hook up with a girl who has a boyfriend, fiance, husband, etc. Part of the reason why society is going downhill is because women get whatever they want. Don’t give into them if they’re in a relationship. Maybe they’ll learn something from being rejected and ignored – that they just can’t get any man when they want it. I know that this blog is supposed to sort of have a hedonistic way of looking at things, but men need to stick together and not try to take away what someone else has claimed.

    [CH: one of the many civilization-sparing benefits of game is that it will help boyfriends, fiances, and husbands keep their women in a continually enamored state thus mitigating any temptation to stray.]

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  48. on August 3, 2015 at 9:28 pm Thug

    I’m guessing that when she denigrates and emasculates her BF(not present) to you that that is putting the pussy on a patter for you?

    [CH: be careful with this assumption. yes, a woman openly demeaning her bf is more likely than not also open to the idea of “cheating” (female logic quotes added to indicate that a woman dissatisfied with her bf will rationalize her cheating as fair play).
    BUt, there are also cases where such a woman might still be in love, and any gripes about her boyfriend are best taken as the pained love bleats of a woman yearning for her jerkboy bf to lavish more romantic attention on her.
    the difference is subtle to untrained betaboy ears, but the latter woman’s complaints won’t be emasculating of her bf; they’ll be more like plaintive regrets that he’s always letting her down.]

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  49. on August 3, 2015 at 9:48 pm Noel

    Thanks guys (i.e., CH, PA, Sentient, walawala, Benson et al.).

    I can’t accurately assign this co-worker a number. If ponytail girl (CH had an old post about pulling a girl’s ponytail) was a hard 8 as CH described, then this girl is below a 7 or if a 7, then marginally. I can’t say, without a photo for inspection.

    She’s a 24 y.o. Mexican who seems a) weirdly PC (last friday she asked what % efficiency I was with my busted hand she guessed 40%, i replied hard to say i could still be as fast as ‘speedy gonzalez’. she wasn’t offended per se but said: ‘but you’re not mexican’. i wanted to laugh at her apparent lack of humor but didn’t); and b) has an Asian-chinese fetish.

    she says to me ‘how are you’ or ‘good morning’ in chinese, but shows no real interest in actually learning the language. those are the only phrases she knows. she talks about eating pho, dim sum, and dumplings. [her bf it turns out is asian].

    today she lunched by herself eating dim sum and brought back left over dumplings. i lamely, weakly, suggested we lunch, but she brushed it off with the usual ‘we’ll see sort of reply’.

    So after reading the latest above, i decide to take sentient’s
    “careful beta game” advice. so as i was going home from work i texted the following:

    “hey breeze zelda! [her name is briseida but she mentioned this morning that i mispronounced her name as a z, not an s] How much do you know about dumplings? You seem an expert. Assistance urgently requested. What’s your take on Shanghai dumplings++”

    I wanted to see how she’d respond and if i could segue.

    she immediately replied. I discount her speed because she’s a coworker. if i pulled her from a club or during the day on the street, her speedy reply might be significant. here i feel not.

    her reply:

    “omg they’re awesome sauce I don’t know much about dumplings actually lol my boyfriend does so I go based off on where he takes me or what his family cooks”

    So i extracted the bf confession for the first time from her directly. I feel it doesn’t qualify even as one of the requisite three bf blurts of CH’s. i could be wrong…though you could argue the bf mention was related to the dumpling question?

    in any event, i could be wrong but this might be a genuine “back off buster’ ihab and not a bf blurt.

    she hasn’t followed up with any other text messages. I have not replied, either. I figured radio silence was my only recourse.

    besides the co-worker issue, this seems to make a slam shut case for NEXT…

    thoughts?

    thanks….

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    • on August 3, 2015 at 11:22 pm Benson

      I don’t think she’s interested. No need to over-analyzing her text. Boyfriend or not, girls make it clear when they like you, and your exchange sounds pretty platonic to me.

      I wouldn’t risk losing my job for a chance at a mediocre girl, or even an attractive one. There’s no need to compromise yourself professionally when you can walk into the grocery store (or Starbucks, Barnes & Noble, a gas station, a park etc. etc.) and say hi to any girl you see.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 1:28 am ragingindependent

        Agreed. Eject and move on to more fertile fields. Though, we all know you’ll ignore our advice, keep texting, and then blow it all up with a full confession text to her. Just keep us in the loop when you do.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 8:55 am Sentient

      well you did something… bust a move and all… so good for that. But this “So after reading the latest above, i decide to take sentient’s
      “careful beta game” advice. so as i was going home from work i texted the following” was not the advice…

      The advice was to get her alone, spike attraction, lightly sexualize and then go away… Do you see how that is different from sending a ping text? It’s an important point to understand.

      I’d not next her here unless it will create huge problems at work. HABD has a great saying, predict red pill and other outcome and run your game and see what happens. Push every set to a conclusion.

      Here, I’d playfully tease and flirt with her and do light kino… Hi five passing in the hall, stuff like that for a week and then move to an innocent after work drink. Playful though, I expected she was 7 or below because of how she reacted to your neg, a 24 YO playmate would laugh at crows feet because it IS absurd to her, but a 6, she has known since kindergarten where she stands among other women…

      Good luck. Buckle your seat belt and DRIVE!

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  50. on August 4, 2015 at 12:17 am Thug

    Ok CH, thanks for the reply. Pretty sure its the former in this case as she said something about “wearing the pants in the house”. I laughed and said “not in my house girly”. She-21yo 7.5. BF-hearing aid 5ish.

    PS. Thanks for all your work. I’m a natural alpha who lost my way a bit after 15 years marriage. You’ve turned me into a monster.

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  51. on August 4, 2015 at 1:38 am Noel

    thanks for your advice and despute what may seem to the contary i will follow all your advice. the jumbotron test isn’t too far from my mind, and the idea of a beta full confession is so cringeworthy it’s enough for me to stay put in my radio silence. thanks everyone….

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 2:06 am ragingindependent

      Good man

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  52. on August 4, 2015 at 5:19 am Argonaut

    I don’t really think saying that something applies to all women is the right way of going about it.

    Not all women are “Social creatures” who can be neatly boxed up into a little neat category. I’d say you’ve been misinformed

    Some people be them guys / women / transgenders / gays / know what they want and can be quite blunt about it. No need to use subterfuge or what you like to call subtle clues to signal interest.

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  53. on August 4, 2015 at 5:33 am walawala

    YaReally, Sentient and all… question on flaking and cockblocks and how I handled this. Met girl, 28, HB8, cute while djing at my birthday a week back. Good kino, she was shy, but up for kino. She left before I could number close her. I added her on FB, gamed her, suggested drinks this week, she agreed. I get a text today saying she can’t make Thursday, can we reschedule? Ok, so not a flake. I offer a few days, she agrees on Sunday. Sorted. I tease her about recognizing her because she always changes her appearance. She laughs. All good. A short time later I get this text:

    Her: Do you know Joanne? She is my best fd, do you mind she come with me? Coz my English is very bad I just worry about can’t communicate with u

    Ok…so this is the hamster spinning. Wonder what changed but ok.

    Me: We can use sign language. Smiles. And I’ll practice my Chinese on you. Will be fine. Don’t worry.

    No way i’m having a cxxkblock chaperone.

    Her: I really want her to accompany me to join our talk. Hope u are also ok with it. Hahahaha 🙂

    Hmmmmmm….am I being friendzoned or is this a way of transferring any awkwardness onto me. I’m not ok with this.

    Me: Nah. In that case maybe it’s better we meet up another time when you’re more comfortable.

    Her: Ok sure, next time 🙂

    I didn’t reply. This situation of “I don’t speak English” has come up before and I’ve always deflected it with humour and reassurance. The introduction of a chaperone was not ok.

    Thoughts? I may see her again out and about, how did I play it? How do I play it? The nearest I can think is she suddenly felt self-conscious about meeting a stranger, her English was a good excuse or maybe she’s truly nervous. But my response was about being non-needy and realizing she would also show this to her friend I wanted to be clear and concise.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 8:24 am having a bad day

      @wala

      “Thoughts?”

      is joanne hot?…lol…

      why would you assume joanne is a cockblock?…’misunderstand’ hb8’s intent and tell her you would be willing to try a threesome with her friend, but only later after you get to know her first…that should put hb8 into the defensive crouch (assuming she didn’t want a 3some…lol) = tingles…

      hb8 threw you a shit test (bring a friend)…and how did you handle it?…serious question…what was your goal?…and did you get to that goal?…it’s a pretty safe bet that this will come up again, at least with this girl…so, have a plan in your pocket…

      she’s in your social circle, right?…so, ASD is in full force…lol…given your social circle ‘rep’…(good job on that!…lol)…to get this girl, you might have to charm the friend, so suggest one of her hot friends (fbook works both ways…so, assuming joanne isn’t hot, find one of her friends that’s hotter and tell her to bring that girl). then, just treat it like a cold approach and focus on the friend first and let the target win you over…or the other way, if the friend is hotter…easy peasy…lol…

      or, now that i think about it more, you could reset and TELL her to bring joanne…that way it’s your decision and she is complying with you…as opposed to a shit test/ASD defense…then just be ready for a cold approach situ…it’s all a great practice opportunity…lol

      just have fun and don’t be outcome dependent…

      good luck!

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:46 am walawala

        habd no Joanne is not hot, she’s really immature looking whereas mine is young but looks and dresses edgier.

        ASD, yes possibly. Maybe she heard something, maybe she saw something on my Fb photos, it could be a combination.

        Yes this was a sht test to see if she could gain hand and whether I’d be a nice guy and comply.

        My reply was calibrated. “nah.” make it clear this is unacceptable.

        “In that case, maybe” vague “we should meet up when you feel more comfortable”… address the elephant in the room, not she can reflect on that with out me asking why, getting upset or acting needy.

        Her reply was instant: “Ok sure, next time” i’m not sure what that even means. She canceled, I agreed, now she’s suggesting there’s a “next time”?

        I’ll wait until I see her out again and gauge it from there. Meeting up on her terms…never a good idea.

        I know guys have said “yah, i’ll go”.

        I just did this actually, a few weeks ago in my Latin dance class, there’s a girl who is giving me IOI’s. Then she approaches, asking me if i’m “together” with my dance partner who is a friend and married. We dance in the class, then I say “hey, I’m going for dinner, join me.”

        She agrees. Then she suggests we invite her ‘Friend” a dude, who I know. Awkward moment. I had agreed and I knew the guy so I couldn’t bail at that point. So I shrugged and said “ok”. So we go out for dinner—the three of us. My “friend” is a needy beta who is trying desperately to make an impression while I spend dinner spinning DHV stories and teasing this girl.

        Since then she’s added me on FB, wished me a happy bday and public accepted a Fb invite to my upcoming djing. I have no interest in her now. It was just such a turn off bringing that dude along. They are “Friends”…he wants to get into her pants but she’s just “friendly”.

        In this case, no, I didn’t want to have Joanne translating and asking me tons of questions while I tried to make contact with my target. This is beta orbiting at its lowest.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 1:50 pm YaReally

        @walawala
        “ASD, yes possibly. Maybe she heard something, maybe she saw something on my Fb photos, it could be a combination.

        Yes this was a sht test to see if she could gain hand and whether I’d be a nice guy and comply.

        My reply was calibrated. “nah.” make it clear this is unacceptable.”

        This is what I was going to say. This is how you’d handle it in North America (or white cultures in general) for sure. And in North America the friend would be there to shit-test the fuck out of you so I would handle it exactly like you did.

        But Older Dude’s comment is probably more appropriate to the culture, you two would be a better judge of that than me so at least read what he said and think about if it matches your situ, that she’s just fobby shy/nervous. It’s possible you just charm the friend then ignore her and she fucks off and leaves her with you, or like Older Dude says just set up a day3 to bang then.

        The sticking to her chaperone plan even tho you can speak Chinese says that it’s not about the language barrier at all or that would’ve assuaged her, so it has to be either 1) she’s shy about meeting a guy alone for whatever reason (maybe a more public venue would help?) and the friend will probably fuck off or not interfere or 2) it’s a North American style situ where the friend is going to be a bitch and test you

        But at this point what’s done is done. From here I wouldn’t initiate any texts or backtrack and be like “actually let’s meet up bring your friend”…I wouldn’t ignore her, but I would make zero effort to meet up again and make responding to her low priority, as punishment. If she’s super shy she won’t suggest meeting up again but will give you text attention at least and then in like 2 weeks when she’s worried you’re never gonna ask her out again you can qualify her on something and say “oh I didn’t know that about you that’s interesting…hey I’m free next week, let’s go for dinner (or whatever, something lower compliance and in public VS “come over in lingerie” lol)”

        If she agrees to meet up and brings her friend like without warning you, you could always just ignore her and flirt with the ugly friend a ton and make her cry so she never brings her friend out again

        I loathe shy girls with low confidence like this lol

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 1:51 pm having a bad day

        @Wala

        “Her reply was instant: “Ok sure, next time” i’m not sure what that even means. She canceled, I agreed, now she’s suggesting there’s a “next time”?”

        it means she is still interested…she didn’t cancel, you did…and you held out a reschedule, which she jumped on…lol…

        “Yes this was a sht test to see if she could gain hand and whether I’d be a nice guy and comply.”

        or…per Older dude – this might be a cultural thing (i don’t know anything about china culture) but culture informs ASD, so is probably accurate (so, follow that advice on reengaging)…which leads to:

        “I’ll wait until I see her out again and gauge it from there.”

        or you could tell hb8 to bring joanne so it’s still your frame…and follow Older dude’s advice…

        “This is beta orbiting at its lowest.”

        maybe, but it’s a great handicap to push through a limiting belief…

        “Meeting up on her terms…never a good idea.”

        this is always a GREAT idea…lol…at least some times…i understand what you are saying about controlling frame, but at some point you should be calibrated enough to spin ANY situ in your favor…and ‘handicapping’ yourself by going along with a girl’s terms is a great practice situ…lol…just like your dinner with the beta friend. you learned some things/had a new experience interacting, right? it’s all good…lol…DHV on the ‘date’ then invite her over for drinks…remember, ‘outcome independence’ is the goal…and worrying about frame control going into a situ is not that…

        “I have no interest in her now.”

        if you are truly not interested in this girl, get your buddy laid…lol…there is actually a LOT of value in figuring this out…both game concepts and personal internal frame…that’s one reason YaReally throws girls at guys in bars…lol…it helps foster an abundance mentality, as well as increases your social status wrt guys in your circle…it also is a great calibration exercise…so, think it through and do it…(even better practice if he is a needy beta…lol)

        good luck!

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      • on August 5, 2015 at 8:52 am walawala

        Thanks guys, all solid advice. Here’s what I did, this morning some 12 hours after her weak “Ok sure, next time :)” I wrote; We’ll see how it goes [nickname I made up on the spot] then accompanied that with a photo of a lion biting a lioness’ tail. Thought that would tweak the hamster. I got no response but my intuition tells me it’s prompted her hamster to go into overdrive trying to figure out what I meant and whether i’m upset or care that she tried this –the way all girls think.

        I’m guessing that I’ll see her out on the weekend or she’ll find away to get in touch. I’ll let you all know if anything develops.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 11:02 am Older dude

      @Wala

      I have spent considerable time in China and this situation happened to me a couple times(in China).

      I’m assuming that your girl is FOB, or usually only hangs out with Chinese, and doesn’t have much dating experience in the West. Probably not much dating experience back home either.

      She’s scared, she just needs more comfort before she can be alone with you(even in public). It’s a combination of an unfamiliar language, the West, Western men, Western stereotypes, plus natural shyness. Her friend is a safety net for her. I know it seems odd, but I doubt the friend will c-block, as long as you seem “normal” and not a loser.

      Knowing how shy she is, if you still want to pursue it, I recommend:
      Agree to meet with her and her friend at a coffee shop and be normal and non-gamey, any teases should be extremely light and gentle. Be polite to the friend and talk to both of them for the first 3-5 minutes. Then switch over to your girl and almost exclusively talk to her, with brief acknowledgments to the friend just to stay polite. After about 20-30 minutes, tell them you enjoyed meeting them, but you need to leave. Then, a couple days later, try and set up another date alone. You will have your answer then.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 6:03 pm walawala

        @Older/YaReally interesting. Yes to lack of experience with western men, that seems clear. But at first she readily agreed, then suddenly she threw out the “I want to bring my friend” thing.

        I’ve been here for a while and been with so many local girls that I’ve found when they want to truly hang out, they find a reason. When they throw out the “my best friend” as a chaperone, it just creates a truly awkward situation that feels more like the Friendzone.

        I have so many options that risking a nice guy vibe which leads to the three of us hanging out interminably or some bf-screening situation is not the path to poon.

        I see this all the time with local guys here. They put themselves in these group situations and then it leads to….more group situations not isolating and banging.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 6:44 pm theasdgamer

        Got a little experience with Asian immigrants. Could be the family found out about the date and insisted on a chaperone and your girl selected someone whom she thought she could manipulate easily. You may need to use sneaky fakker game with this girl because of her family. If she is really a good girl (there are more of these where the family insists on chaperones), you will need to either next her or go the patriarchal route, heh. I went the patriarchal route myself over 30 years ago. Mine was a genuine good girl.

        My .02. Worth every penny.

        Your mission, Mr. Walawala, should you decide to accept it….

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 7:00 pm theasdgamer

        Ok, so I worked in a hospital while I was going to college. Senior at age 23 and working with Asian immigrant nurses 25-8. They flirted with me and I with them. AMOG situation. They invited me to their parties, which were dinners with lots of food and I was the exotic man. Not much drinking, lots of light, pop music, some dancing, beer for men. I queried them a lot about their culture and customs, being genuinely interested. They were also curious about my background and upbringing.

        Everything was done in groups at first. Double date with Mrs. Gamer, Mrs. Gamer’s friend who had a crush on me, and another guy I found. Then a group movie event with Mrs. Gamer and lots of Asians. Finally, Mrs. Gamer went on a date with me solo. No kiss, little kino. Handholding next date and a kiss on the lips. No French kissing before engagement. It was Mrs. Gamer’s first French kiss and she was terrible at it, lol. Mrs. Gamer had one bf before whom she only kissed on the lips a few times–and not passionate kisses, either. Very low mileage.

        Your mileage may vary.

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  54. on August 4, 2015 at 7:31 am oink

    post hoc ergo propter hoc

    However, while correlation is not causation, handing control to a feminazi Mutaween outfit, probably had a lot to do with both.

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  55. on August 4, 2015 at 10:17 am Benson

    Would like some feedback on this situation.

    Had a date scheduled with a girl last Monday. She texts two hours beforehand:

    Her: My family’s in town and wants to get dinner. Can we raincheck?

    Me: yeah Wednesday is fine. same time and place.

    Her: I work Wednesday.

    Me: OK when are you free

    The conversation ended there. I waited a couple of days and called once. She never responded. She probably met someone else, but I wonder if I could have salvaged this. Thoughts?

    [CH: she flaked. i wouldn’t be surprised if her family dinner excuse was made up out of thin air. It’s too late for this now, but this anti-flake tactic might have salvaged it:
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/anti-flake-tactic/%5D

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 11:29 am Benson

      [CH: she flaked. i wouldn’t be surprised if her family dinner excuse was made up out of thin air. It’s too late for this now, but this anti-flake tactic might have salvaged it:

      Her excuse was almost certainly bullshit. But she was enthusiastic about meeting up, even just a few hours earlier. And she offered to reschedule before she went cold. Girls are so flighty.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm theasdgamer

        Got a hookup text from a hotter dude just prior to flaking.

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    • on August 4, 2015 at 3:42 pm Putin

      Her: My family’s in town and wants to get dinner. Can we raincheck?

      Me: Sure

      How about this next time?

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 3:58 pm Benson

        How about this next time?

        The goal being to get her to suggest another day?

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 7:38 pm Benson

        I have a comment in mod asking why “sure” is a good reply. But it doesn’t matter. I already have another one lined up, and there’s one on deck after that, and another still after that…

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 7:42 pm walawala

        @Benson this happens. A lot has been written about this. You can read my situation above. I replied to that girl with “We’ll see how it goes.”

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:01 pm Benson

        @Benson this happens. A lot has been written about this. You can read my situation above. I replied to that girl with “We’ll see how it goes.”

        Yeah, I’m not worried. By the way, I used your “you can have my number if you promise not to stalk me” close online. Works well.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:18 pm Putin

        Benson, I am not a huge wording kind of guy but I do firmly believe that the best approach is to ask a gal out and if she has an excuse then move on until she makes it clear that she is ready. The reason for this is because this approach ends up paying off in spades if you hold frame. What i mean is their hamster ends up playing with the missed opportunity for months sometimes. Now when a guy follows up a women’s excuse with another attempt to get together I think there is an immediate loss of market value and limited opportunity for a date. This has been my personal experience. In fact I felt that the bold direct way of asking a women out was a success regardless of her response as long as I did not try again and held confident frame.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 8:40 pm Benson

        I do firmly believe that the best approach is to ask a gal out and if she has an excuse then move on until she makes it clear that she is ready.

        Agreed. Pushing for the date after she says no or flakes is pure faggotry. But if she offers to reschedule, even if you have to set it up, I don’t see the harm in trying once more.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:25 pm theasdgamer

        Rescheduling can be reasonable if she gives enough lead time. If she flakes, she better be ready to pony up some liquor and food if she wants another chance. Else, she gets ignored.

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      • on August 4, 2015 at 10:52 pm Benson

        Rescheduling can be reasonable if she gives enough lead time. If she flakes, she better be ready to pony up some liquor and food if she wants another chance. Else, she gets ignored.

        In most cases. Thinking it over, though, I’m going to try the radio silence route the next time a girl flakes, just to see how she responds.

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    • on August 5, 2015 at 1:07 am Culum Struan

      Benson – yeah, flake. I get this quite often from online game. I wouldn’t even reply to it (unless she’s asking a genuine question – as in, she is saying “My family are in town so today’s a bit inconvenient but I will still meet you if you insist” – but 99% of the time, it’s not that. It’s only phrased as a question to be polite – she IS cancelling on you).

      It’s also not a “good” flake because she is not suggesting rescheduling herself (even worse, she says no to your suggestion of Wed and doesn’t offer an alternative).

      In that case, don’t even reply. No need to give her more attention. I wouldn’t even have replied saying “How about Wed?”. As someone here said (I think it was walawala), just “let your silence fill the space”. You’d be surprised how often she will wait a while and then try to reschedule herself. If she doesn’t, give it a few days or a week, reopen with something funny and build attraction before pitching another meet.

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      • on August 5, 2015 at 3:50 am walawala

        @Culum in my case above to her: “Ok sure, next time :)”

        I waited a day and replied: “We’ll see how it goes…” then included that photo of a lion biting a lioness’ tail.

        No response so far. Will update. I have a feeling she’ll wait until she sees me in person. I’ll see how that goes. I think girls here are smart enough and westernized enough to know that you don’t bring your friend into a date and only a desperate local guy would agree to something like that. No western guy with an ounce of game would agree to a chaperoned situation with a hottie. The friend who speaks better English would be blabbing away. Mess.

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      • on August 5, 2015 at 8:42 am Benson

        Culum, do you think it’s worth reopening in this case? She ignored my reschedule offer and screened my call. It’s been a week since this went down. Thanks for the feedback.

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      • on August 6, 2015 at 5:33 am Culum Struan

        Benson – probably not worth it – you’ve been chasing her hard and she knows you’re very much in her frame and it will be difficult to pull that back on texting alone.

        Having said that, always worth practicing and trying to turn stuff around. The worst that can happen is she stops responding to you.

        I would ignore her for a couple of weeks at least (if not a couple of months since you’ve been chasing so hard) and then reopen with something funny and go from there. You’ll need to go pretty full asshole and be aloof to regain frame and build attraction by text solidly till she is hinting about a meetup herself. Don’t re-pitch a meetup yourself until you’re sure of attraction.

        YaReally has some good stuff on this (in particular see his texting advice to some girl Reco was chasing – sometime within the last year).

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  56. on August 5, 2015 at 2:04 am Flames

    Hello all,

    I’m a long time lurker and would like an opinion on a coworker who I have a great rapport with. I tease her constantly and mostly we just have a flirty vibe, with the odd getting to know you convo, but on occasion she’ll randomly bring up the BF, which I ignore. I just plow on and ignore it as token resistance and things seem to be escalting to the point where the other day we were loudly flirting on her dept. and (TBH it was a bit too obvious, quite unprofessional) I looked round and the rest of the room seemed to go a bit (observation or paranoia?) quiet, so I did what anyone does in this situation, and playfully threw her off the dept. 🙂 Yes I plowed on.

    My question is I’ve always been fond of this girl and we’re both in other relationships yet I get the the feeling that when she mentions the BF its token resistance, would I be correct here?

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    • on August 5, 2015 at 11:42 am theasdgamer

      Assume token resistance and plow on. Or don’t if you don’t want to plow her furrow.

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      • on August 6, 2015 at 1:34 am Flames

        Actually I’ve noticed a bit of a trend recently that she’s getting a bit cocky. Yesterday she jokingly suggests I should things for her (ordering me about), like I’m at her beck and call. However she is very compliant with me (and I do order her about quite a lot) so it may not be anything other than a bit of tit for tat.

        She did make a joke about putting me on speedial (to help her out) to which I thought yeah I’ll help you with something but probably not what your thinking.

        It could just be the sexual tension building up, she’s has been a bit giddy recently.

        Anyway….

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    • on August 13, 2015 at 4:46 pm zaqan

      I had a similar situation I mentioned above. The girl in question even once got into a cardboard box with me. Shouldve kissed her, but I decided not to. Coworkers can be risky. only do it if you can afford to be fired.

      You should have said “oh yeah I’ll help you with something alright…” and glance at her vaginal area briefly. then walk away nonchalantly.

      Eventually youre gonna have to decide whether to go for it and hang out somewhere and then do it as you would anyone else. Unless you work overnight in a closed facility, you cant “recreate on campus” as I used to call it. I almost did it once overnight, but I blew it. oh well

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  58. on August 13, 2015 at 4:39 pm zaqan

    This shit fucking happened today at work. I was working near this bitch when some IRL spammers came in to promote a shitty cell phone company. She then proceeded to tell me how her boyfriend had them and they suck. No one asked about your boyfriend, cuntface. Then a few minutes later, she brought him up again out of nowhere. I explained to my friend what happened and said “one more and its obvious what she wants” Not 10 minutes later, as Im walking away from him and her, she muttered something that sounded like “boyfriend”. My friend told me a few minutes later “You called it. She said ‘My boyfriend is in (another state). I dont know when hell be back.'” I just laughed hysterically. If she wasnt fat, she might be a 5. And if we werent coworkers, I might consider it on a bad day. But holy cow, it really happens just like that.

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