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Why Do Some Men Marry Older Broads?

August 14, 2015 by CH

Although rare, one does occasionally encounter the younger grown man-older woman couple. (I specify “grown man”, because there is room in the sexual market for inexperienced teenage and early 20s beta males to pop their cherries in the easy and uncomplicated, if road-worn, guiding folds of older woman orifice.)

The married younger man-older woman is a coupling that seems to defy not just evolutionary theory but also common sense. Why would a man so ludicrously work against his reproductive interests? There is already a built-in preference among women to date and marry older men than themselves, and a woman’s fertility window is much shorter than a man’s. One would have to be either a fetishist who gets his GILF freak on, or a complete loser lacking any confidence in his ability to marry at least a few boner-inspiring years down the poon market.

While fetishists of every stripe exist, they are so rare — much rarer than the noise their advocates make on SJW comment boards where all that matters is parroting the Pantywaist Line — that it’s safe to compartmentalize them into a box full of Darwinian exceptions who don’t violate the general rule governing sex interactions.

More common are the lesser beta and omega male losers who have so little to offer women, or who believe they have so little to offer, that they settle, with a sad resignation they have spent their lives expertly concealing under self-soothing bromides and plastic smiles from public inquisition, for older broads with short shelf lives and lowered standards.

If the numbers of these loser husband-older wife couples are increasing, (anecdotally, there does appear to be a slight uptick in their numbers, mirroring the slight uptick in the numbers of white women-black men couples. I invite the reader to make the relevant connection), we can identify a number of social changes that may be contributing to the odd pairings.

Reader corvinus explains,

CH: and then marry, if he wishes to marry, a younger woman.

This. About 10 years younger.

As to why it’s considered the norm to marry a woman the same age as you, I have a couple of ideas:

1) Social pressure, especially from the women.
2) Online dating, which has a stronger age-homogamy bias than IRL.
3) Lack of game on the men’s part.

Interestingly enough, apparently during the recession, the age at first marriage has gone up faster for men than for women, suggesting that women are more willing to consider marrying somewhat older men than they were before.

During times of economic hardship, women smartly choose established men with more resources (betas). The inverse is also true: during times of female economic self-sufficiency, women vaginally choose charming jerkboys with or without resources.

Corvinus has hit on the big three reasons why younger man-older women marriages continue to exist and offend good taste.

Social pressure is a big deal, because women are the lemming sex and bend to the will of the group more readily than do men. If more older women are getting locked out of the chase for older, resource-rich men, then they will seek succor from their misery by propagandizing the wonderful wonderfulness of fucking younger men in short-term flings. (We here at CH know better. These women hurt badly on the inside.) The lies of feminism can have an impact on how socially comfortable women feel about dating older men.

Online dating does create a sex market skew against the intangibles of courtship. That is, women who try to find a man exclusively online will subconsciously bias the crude, artless markers of a man’s SMV — his listed age and profile pic — at the expense of the complex, refined cues of his seductive prowess (amply explored in the CH archives). Luckily, there are plenty of smooth moves a man can execute to evade this age-homogamy bias of online dating.

Lack of game. This is the big pink tuna. In my travels around the world of women, I’ve come to observe that younger man-older woman relationships are invariably of four kinds:

– The older woman was preternaturally attractive and slender, and competing in a local market filled with chubby younger women and off-the-market married men. In this milieu, an older woman (but not too much older) will capture the interest of younger unmarried men fed up with the feeding schedules of their female peers.

– The younger man was a beta male to the core. This is the explanation for 90% of younger man-older woman marriages. You take a lesser beta with little experience bedding women, add an older, sexually aggressive broad with her talons out for contractually locking down an indentured servant a husband, and you’ve got a combustible situation the beta has no hope of exerting any control over its direction. These couples flout natural law because the beta male has few sexual market options, or believes in his heart he has few options. Scarcity mentality is the soulkiller of masculinity.

– The younger man was black, the older woman a flabby white. For biomechanical reasons I don’t feel like hammering into submission yet again, it is an observable fact that black men are simply more tolerant of SMV hideousness in the women they screw, and this goes double when black men date white women. A black man will spear white land whales or go down on the wrinkled vag flaps of old white women that no white man would touch.

– The older woman was rich. Many of the younger men in these relationships are closeted gays on the psychopathy spectrum.

tl;dr: There’s a reason we feel an emotional swell of harmoniousness when we see older man-younger woman couples, and we feel a jolt of emotional discomfort when we see the opposite.

Update

I forgot to mention sex ratio skew as a potential cause of increased younger man-older woman marriages. In a prime nubility market in which men outnumbered (against the historical average) the available hot young minxes, there would be immense pressure at the younger male margins to tragically settle for older women who are the sexual and/or marital discards of older alpha men in the process of trading up to younger lovers. An ahistorical sex ratio skew can introduce plenty of tumult and “black swans” into the normal functioning of the sexual market.

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  1. on August 14, 2015 at 1:21 pm larazablanca

    The question should also extend to: why are men marrying STILL?

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 1:34 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      Because they believe there’s no alternative.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:12 pm natphilosopher

      Because they want a family. You don’t know what you are missing out on by qualifying for a Darwin award via artful use of condoms.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:25 pm Anonymous

        Whatever it is, it ain’t enough to justify playing Russian roulette with five chambers loaded (aka marriage in this day and age).

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 10:21 pm Obviously Cap'n

      57 Y.O. SHARON STONE: “I never get asked out,” she laments. “It’s so stupid. I don’t know what to do… If there’s anybody out there who’s an adult and who would like to ask me out,” she says, “please call Harper’s Bazaar.” http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a11741/sharon-stone-nude-0915/

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 9:14 am corvinus333

      Religious reasons.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 11:11 am Team Top Dog

      So someone will cook us food everyday and wash our clothes.Just make sure you’re picking one that actually does that and doesn’t quit and get fat after you get hitched.

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  2. on August 14, 2015 at 1:26 pm DT

    The younger man was a beta male to the core …
    Me in a nutshell.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 1:12 am mkkby

      Talk about black men with white whales, I should post a picture of my neighbor’s GF. Black guy, actually a mulatto — which probably means his childhood was a disaster. He’s about 30 and average looking. The woman is much older, at least 45, about 300 pounds, with multicolored hair, and an ugly face. I’d rate her a 1.

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  3. on August 14, 2015 at 1:28 pm Arbiter

    Good post. It would be interesting to see the statistics on how well those relationships fare. Probably not so well. Thus always to relationships that defy instinct.

    I have seen two relationships where the woman was about twelve years older than the man, and holy hell. Of course anyone could have seen what the results would be. In one of the relationships the man was about 22 with no former girlfriend, moved in with the formerly hot party girl who worked at the same department. He became bitter and abusive, constantly drinking and smoking, staying up late by the computer so that his work suffered as he was always tired, never helped out at home but spent her money, before he eventually moved out. In the other relationship the man was in his thirties, a real momma’s boy, who simply wanted a new mother. Same as in the other case he apparently did not lift a finger around the house and became nasty in time. Lasted two years. These men despise themselves.

    I am sure that in both cases the woman’s friends said “age is just a number!” and “all you need is love!” rather than trying to talk her out of it. I know that the men’s friends didn’t say anything either.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 1:48 pm handsometodeath

      Yes, a relationship with someone who reflects one’s low value, whose mere presence constantly reminds you that you’re a loser, builds inside oneself a deep resentment, anger, and bitterness, and makes a man lose interest in his life, career, health, everything. But what’s the alternative? To be alone. There’s no solution, other than the sweet sweet release of death.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm Arbiter

        But what’s the alternative? To be alone. There’s no solution, other than the sweet sweet release of death.

        Not so! Game saves.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:53 pm Mac

        “Yes, a relationship with someone who reflects one’s low value, whose mere presence constantly reminds you that you’re a loser”

        this is true. whether she is too old, too fat, unattractive, slutty, low-class, bad personality, whatever. when you’re with a woman of low quality it tears you down. even if you go into it with honorable intentions and you think she’s decent at first, it will eventually destroy you being with someone like that.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 4:02 am King James Version

        The solution is to get out of North America. The women are the most degenerate, repulsive, and unfeminine going.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 11:06 am HomeDepot

      I know someone who exactly fits the first guy you described.

      This 22 year-old kid has a wealthy father who funds his company. He hired some 30 year old former party girl and started an affair with her. They moved in together, he became her sugar daddy, etc. He didn’t make her do shit around the office, despite paying her a full-time salary. This bitch ended up cheating on him with a bunch of other dudes and didn’t even bother to hide it. Finally, the whore broke up with him because she found a new guy. The kid had such a bad breakdown and was so insistent on pursuing her that she took out a restraining order on him.

      The kid then made the same mistake with a second girl, who also did the same type of shit with him.

      The kid then was in a “relationship” with a girl who strips and escorts for money, but she recently broke up with him.

      The kid’s brother is the same. He “owns” (his father funds) some type of real estate company. He’s paying some model-wannabe chick a full time income, but she doesn’t do anything and has zero real estate experience. This girl has some sort of sugar daddy relationship with him. He’s got tons of pics of her up on his instagram account, but she zero pics of him on her account. All her pics are of her or her friends.

      Both brothers are Indian/Punjabi. So maybe that’s the problem?

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  4. on August 14, 2015 at 1:30 pm CaveClown

    Friend of mine married a woman 12 years his senior. (she’s early 50’s) Say’s it was because she knows how to stay thin, cook, clean, and tend the home…all with a better attitude than a younger chick.

    Then he fucks a handful of 25-35 year olds per year when he travels for work.

    He says he has the best of both worlds. Can’t say I disagree.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm quorasdesignatedasshole

      talking about yourself? isn’t the “handful” part fantasy?

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:22 pm corvinus333

      I guess he also didn’t want kids.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 1:54 am The Gaffer

      My current woman is 6 yrs older so not so much , but the first time in 25 yrs I’ve dated a woman older than me, largely being 5-10 yrs younger . Anyhow its great , she is old school,doesn’t drink or smoke looks cracking for her age treats me like a king ,half italian and cooks fantastic homemade food and enthusiastic in the sack.
      Last night i squeezed in a shag with an ex dancer from tinder, yes great body pretty, smokes some weed likes a good time etc but she has nothing on my older woman who is truly feminine..
      Start teaching these younger girls old school values or we’re going to hell

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  5. on August 14, 2015 at 1:31 pm PA

    Another reason: the younger man knocked up the older woman. This type of a shotgun wedding is uncommon here and now but more so in traditional times and places.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:23 pm corvinus333

      Simply another version of locking down beta bux.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 10:24 pm Obviously Cap'n

      Newt Gingrich actually did that – knocked up his high school math teacher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Marriages_and_children

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  6. on August 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm Greg Smith

    Why are men even still getting married?

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:25 pm everybodyhatesscott

      Children/Religion.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:34 pm shartiste

      It is hard to squash the instinct for civilization that’s been bred into us even if its no longer incentivized. We are who we are. Its not a coincidence that most genealogy goes by church marriage records, because without it there’s no genealogy worth looking up.

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  7. on August 14, 2015 at 1:32 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Would bang an older woman if she were hot enough, but would not marry. What’s the point?

    I’ve come across a few such couples over the years and without fail the male is either a painfully awkward beta or a furtive homosexualist.

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  8. on August 14, 2015 at 1:33 pm Anonymous

    I just started Bonfire of the Vanities. Sherman McCoy is supposed to be an alpha male and yet he’s married to a woman two years older than he is, and she essentially walks him around on a leash. He also demonstrates zero game around his mistress. He’s supposed to be a farcically arrogant asshole, but he’s so beta and insecure that reading about him makes my balls try to crawl up my inguinal canal. The most alpha thing I’ve seen him do so far is threaten to fire some guy for reading the paper at work, and he had to work himself into a rage to do that.

    Also, Wouk’s novel Youngblood Hawke is a good portrait of a beta (raised by a single mom) who ends up entangled with an older woman (due to not getting laid enough in his formative years), with disastrous results of course.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:17 pm Arbiter

      Two years older – that’s not too old. Of course it would be better if she was two years younger, but just two years, they’re pretty much the same age. She can make up for that if she takes good care of herself. More than that though, would be too much.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:33 pm Anonymous

        He’s 38, she’s 40, and while she apparently starves herself and works out, he can nonetheless see the Wall on final approach. Worse, he falls into the cringe-inducing nether realm between (1) having enough game to openly spin plates and get away with it and (2) doing it on the sly but being a good enough liar to hide it.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:59 pm Mac

      agree with Arbiter. two years is pretty much the same age. i wouldn’t even consider someone 10 or 15 years older but two years is really irrelevant. especially if they take good care of themselves.

      and i know i’m an exception to the rule on here but i actually prefer dating pretty close to my age. young ones are fine for short term fun but i would never marry one.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:15 pm Sentient

      McCoy is not an Alpha until the last part. It’s one of the great Game Red Pill novels of our time. Brilliant it came out in the 80’s and you see everything playing out today. Michael Brown etc.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:51 pm Anonymous

        So far it sounds like it was based on the Bernhard Goetz case. I’m reading it to get a feel for what life in NYC was like in the 80s; the story is starting to strike me as SJW preaching.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:16 pm Carlos Danger

      Captain Ahab is a true literary Alpha. The man was smart and had divined a method for predicting where Moby Dick would be based on migrational patterns of sperm whales that was accurate and based on mating patterns. He demanded an entire ship of men follow him to his death to catch this demon fish Moby Dick. Read Moby Dick if you haven’t. It’s the American Iliad and achieves that same level of greatness. Tolstoy, Dostoevsky- such men should be your guides.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:27 pm Sentient

        Have you read Bonfire?

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:00 pm Anonymous

        what color is the whale?

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:05 pm Carlos Danger

        No. I saw the movie several years ago.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:06 pm Carlos Danger

        Forgive me, I’ve just come back from a wine fest here in Wiesbaden and I’ m hammered.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:15 pm fredmertz

        What about Ta-Nehisi Coates?

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 5:50 pm driveallnight

        Coates is black. It’s a safe bet he’s down with white whales.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 6:36 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        I prefer Homer and his works.

        Western Civilization begins with such men.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:31 pm Arbiter

        Captain Ahab is a true literary Alpha. The man was smart and had divined a method for predicting where Moby Dick would be based on migrational patterns of sperm whales that was accurate and based on mating patterns. He demanded an entire ship of men follow him to his death to catch this demon fish Moby Dick

        If you liked Moby Dick, with its quest and philosophical angle and a captain dominating his crew, then you’ll also like Jack London’s The Sea-Wolf. You can read it online, for example at Online-Literature. In this book you have a conflict between two men, the nihilistic, highly capable captain, and the unwilling passenger on his ship who has a rights-based morality. Neither of them is right, I believe: the right morality would be goal based. But it’s a great book.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm Sentient

        The movie was a horrible adaption. The book is worth reading.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 9:41 pm Jack Rackam

        Read London’s South Sea Tales, it’s a real eye opener.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 12:14 am Colonel Trautman

        Get a kindle for 80 bucks and all of those older classics are free; Melville, London, Tolstoy are all free. Plus you read on lightless screen and it’s softer on the eyes than reading online. Graphite powder, I think.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 7:38 am ho

        Still wondering how Homer retroactively got lumped in with a bunch of Germanics.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 10:21 am Carlos Danger

        The Achaeans were Doric or Celtic in origin, so there is a connection. Achilles was blonde as I recall, Agamemnon and Menaleaus were both red haired.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 3:06 pm Greg Eliot

        Still wondering how Homer retroactively got lumped in with a bunch of Germanics.

        Golden-haired Apollo and grey-eyed Athena, kid.

        The early Aryan expansions into Greece gave rise to the subsequent civilization that we recognize today as the birth of the West.

        The Aryans who expanded into Central and Northern Europe and became “Germanics” were of that like stripe.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:13 pm fredmertz

      Why did Jimmy Fallon–succesful,talented-marry an old broad?

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  9. on August 14, 2015 at 1:34 pm avenroad

    I knew a woman who claimed that no man over 19 interested her. 17 was her preferred age. She was a very striking, self-confident woman, but as she got older (late 30s) she had to buy her lovers increasingly expensive presents. Finally it was only the druggies who would sleep with her for the drugs she provided. Last time I saw her, she had hit the wall and was shacked up with a Portuguese fisherman. She was wearing dark glasses to disguise a black eye, and not a trace of that self-confidence she used to have.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm Caramba

      Perversion of some sort.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:04 pm theasdgamer

      black eye mudshark monocle

      The Portuguese are very susceptible to sickle cell anemia.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 9:16 am corvinus333

        It was an adaptation to the malaria common in Southern Europe at the time. The word “malaria” itself comes from Italian. It didn’t come from Africans.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 11:41 am Arbiter

        The Portuguese government encouraged its soldiers to socialize with and marry the natives in Africa, the better to gain a foothold, as they didn’t have a strong enough military to hold the territory.

        Worse, Portugal brought in some 12,000 Africans. Those Africans are nowhere to be seen today, as they have been completely absorbed into the gene pool. Ask an honest Portuguese and he will tell you about a Black ancestor.

        And of course, long before that Portugal and Spain were subjected to Arab rule. It has been shown that they have Arab DNA.

        Not surprising then that Portugal has done zero for science, and you never hear of Portugal in the car industry, in computers, cellphones, nothing. While similar-sized Germanic countries are prominent in science – in chemistry, medicine, technology, you name it. Portugal today is not what Portugal was before the darkening.

        List of famous mathematicians by European origin:

        http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/BirthplaceMaps/MapIndex.html

        Browse France, Germany, Sweden, Britain, Denmark and so forth. Then take a look at the desert that is Spain and Portugal. “Prominent mathematician” there means a few Arab scholars many centuries ago.

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  11. on August 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm Caramba

    There is this russian forum (antiwomen.ru) where all men come for advice.I have read the most horrible,chilling stories of divorce.And disproportionately high number of stories start from “..she was older than me”and “she had a child from another relationship”. It came up to the point when old guys on the forum simply ignore or ban stories where a wife was older or had a trailer from another dude.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:40 pm Carlos Danger

      Russia and the FSU are dysfunctional societies in many ways as an aftermath of the the Jewish attempt to destroy your society. You still suffer many after shocks and so do we.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:21 pm Carlos Danger

      Russian and Ukrainian men are a curious mixture of profound beta and alpha male.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 4:51 am King James Version

        On that point, Carlos, I’m involved with a Ukrainian broad and I’ve found that with her and other FSU gals I have to pivot between alpha and beta. Being hardcore alpha asshole gets you Americunts but turns off Warsaw Pact ladies. Beta things like buying dinner, writing poetry, small gifts, flowers, chocolates, general gallantry (basically all the things that will send NA broads running from you) are required for these girls. However, they still want stoic, tough, meaty men. Apparently sending a girl plate of melons or a bubbly drink actually still works in seducing them.

        On balance, FSU girls beat Americans any day of the week.

        I’m in Asia right now on business and there’s an Americunt from Maryland staying down the hall from me. I gamed her a bit in the elevator (she lost her room card so I made fun about her being homeless) but honestly don’t feel like putting in the work to bang her, although she’s perfectly bangable (20s, blonde, slim).

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:25 pm corvinus333

      Hah. Single moms are simply another version of an “older woman”, even if they’re technically younger than the man involved.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm Greg Eliot

        Not a bad observation.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 6:28 pm Experienced Father

        COTW, +1000

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  12. on August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm handsometodeath

    Good analysis all around. I have dated a woman at least ten years older than me, and you are correct that I lack confidence, and it’s a lack of confidence born of repeated rejection from women even slightly younger than I. I don’t tell myself pretty lies or bromides, though, or pretend it’s normal — I know I’m a loser. People sometimes look at us weird when we’re in public. It sucks.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:36 pm Carlos Danger

      I disagree. I truly enjoyed every older woman I ever slept with as much or more than young women. Most are really great lovers. Their greater worldliness and cosmopolitan outlook was always an eye opener and illuminating. The only thing that really killed it was the ticking clock. I generally like older women and always have, even as a young man.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm Mac

        “I truly enjoyed every older woman I ever slept with as much or more than young women.”

        right there with you man. my experience exactly. i have always preferred women a little older or the same age as me. and before anyone says it’s because i don’t have options, forget about it. i have plenty of options. i have never suffered from a shortage of women. it’s just my personal preference. i need more than a pretty face and hot body. we are still allowed to have personal preferences even when it goes against the norm, aren’t we?

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:24 pm 88

        “we are still allowed to have personal preferences even when it goes against the norm, aren’t we?”

        good point. for all the talk of how wrong it is to shame men for what they naturally desire, you do see a lot of that on here.

        and i’m with you man, i need a lot more than pretty face and hot body too. can’t remember the last time i met a much younger girl who had any substance or personality at all. i find most of them incredibly boring, empty, and tiresome. and the pretty faces and young bodies DO NOT make up for it.

        if a girl does it for me, i’m in. if she doesn’t, i’m not. simple as that. i’m not into old ladies of course but in general, i don’t really care how old she is. get’s pretty stupid around here when a guy is told that all he’s supposed to want is younger tighter hotter. and if he wants something more or something else, there’s something wrong with him.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:27 pm Carlos Danger

        Thanks for the vote of confidence. In Hermann Hesse’s novel Demian, the protagonist also has a long affair with the mother of his spiritual mentor. This has always been my experience- for it to be a healthy exchange of experience and intelligence. It is not for everyone but very useful for those who might benefit from it.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:55 pm The Other Anonymous

        As I’ve grown older – I’ve not seen the women I know gain any notable refinement at all – in most cases, they seem to have become coarser.

        The older women I meet that do have those qualities – refinement, cosmopolitain, worldliness – are mostly “kept women” with massive rocks on their ring finger courtesy of their 3rd husband.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 4:59 am King James Version

        Carlos, have to say I concur with you again.

        When I was 20, I banged a 41 yr old from Montréal. It was a great time, but admittedly, the novelty of banging certainly was a factor.

        During my 20s I banged girls my age, as well as those in their 30s and 40s (never cracked the 50s) and the best sex was always with the older ones. Now in my 30s it’s flipped – best sex is with 20s girls – so finger that one out.

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      • on August 16, 2015 at 1:40 pm universe

        Yup.
        You’re running your own rules here. Knowing what you like and want then going for it.
        Eventually took some slightly older randy poon back in the day. I 18-19, she 26. Politely talked her up a few times in front of my father (thassamahboy). All three of us saw it coming. Was easier talking substance with her than with the awkward beta girls around my then age and the sex between us was furious at times.
        At 34 love gamed an 18 y/o very temporary stripper. She was sweet, nubile and hot, although a little crazy.
        The CH advice above warns on marrying older broads.

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  14. on August 14, 2015 at 1:41 pm Arbiter

    Let me see, the oldest girl I slept with was seven years older, I was 25 and she was 32. Petite and cute, no regrets there. Met her online and it was all about the sex, just met a couple of times for the fun of it. The youngest was about ten years younger, I don’t remember exact.

    Aside from the sex it is interesting to meet girls who are at a different stage in life than you, I have always enjoyed that part. Hear what they are doing, what they are studying, learn what they like to do in their spare time, things like that. Game has enriched my life a great deal, brought me to places I wouldn’t have visited otherwise. And it all prepares you for when you settle down, because you have experience. Some say you become jaded, but that never happened to me. It has always been fun and enlightening. You just have to make sure you meet the right girls, who you don’t regret seeing.

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  15. on August 14, 2015 at 1:42 pm Brendan

    Paul Walker’s wife is 12 years older than him. Just sayin’.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:39 pm shartiste

      the only well-known Paul Walker is the dead one… he had a 17 year old girlfriend when he died.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:41 pm Carlos Danger

        another ritual sacrifice of the illuminati.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:09 pm Haven M.

      Godzilla kid married his grandmother.

      Was like that player in the other thread who got too much ass. Instead of riding the white poney, he went for the silver train.

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  16. on August 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm Anonymous

    I could see a guy in his 20s banging women in their 30s (those that have stayed attractive) especially if (1) he relates better to more mature people than the usual 20something party ho and (2) she’s married to some dull beta (although nowadays they rarely do that until their SMV is nearly exhausted). But marriage is plain suicide in any case.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:25 pm Carlos Danger

      No its not. I love my wife and most of the men here would hit on her without hesitation. She’s hot and sweet to be around. A woman can be your best friend without BS cliches. I have buddies I enjoys time with and a good woman is no different. And truth be told, I’d rather bone my wife than anyone else either.

      Let every cavalier who loves honor and right, follow the feather of Stuart tonight.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:32 pm 88

        hallelujah brother.

        sad that you even have to justify loving and enjoying your wife. getting pretty bad on here with people always getting called beta, having no options, or being accused of having oneitis because they actually like the women they have. a lot of butthurtedness and jealousy in these parts i’d say.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:04 pm Carlos Danger

        I try to show the positive side of the traditional life. I wouldn’t go back for all the gold in Fort Knox. There is no substitute in life for a good wife. Hard as they may be to come by, a good wife will be your wingman in life and steer you well through the rough shoals both of you will face. I thank God every day for my wife. Remember, why were men like Bobbie Lee, George Washington, Gaius Marius, Alexander the Great, Philip of Macedon, Julius Caeser, Augustus Caesar, Scipio Africanus, all married? Because they wanted solid heirs. More White babies!

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:41 pm Arbiter

        sad that you even have to justify loving and enjoying your wife.

        Only keyboard-jockey omegas will criticize you for that.

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  17. on August 14, 2015 at 2:02 pm Steely Dan

    I’ve been talking about the interracial-dating disparity for years. Nobody ever wanted to listen. The number of white women who date inter-racially compared to the number of white men do in my area is quite significant. People always told me that “it doesn’t affect me” and I shouldn’t care. But it does affect all white males. The number of single white males in my area is much larger than the number of single white females.

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what an abundance of single men does to a man’s chances to find a woman. There’s a reason men don’t like to go to parties where it’s mostly other men. Hell, even on mainstream websites like Yahoo, they often list Best cities for Single Men, based solely on the male/female ratio of the population. Often the cities that are best for single men only have a higher female population by a few percentage points.

    Considering that, just how does one not expect the number of white women in inter-racial relationships not to effect that? On top of that, consider all of the illegal immigration. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are male. This country is turning into a sausage fest.

    And who wants to live in a sausage fest.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:22 pm Arbiter

      I agree with your post. However, “sausage fest” is an anti-male slur. Whenever a group of men meet “it’s a sausage fest”. As if men should not talk to each other without their female supervisors present. You never hear that “it’s a clam fest” when women are alone.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:25 pm elmer

        “Dick Storm” is more proactive.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm Carlos Danger

        Only because horny women are a commodity and horny men a nuisance.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:32 pm everybodyhatesscott

        I haven’t really used the term sausage fest in awhile but even when I did I mostly saw it used when a group of guys goes out with the explicit purpose of finding chicks. No one uses the term “sausage fest” to describe the gym I go to even those it’s 90% males because the purpose isn’t to meet girls. No one is going to call a car show a sausage fest, because it’s about the cars.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:38 pm Greg Eliot

        You never hear that “it’s a clam fest” when women are alone.

        Well, you DO hear “hen party”… and the assumed same when the term “coffee klatsch” is used.

        Or are those terms hopelessly outdated now? 😡

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:39 pm Greg Eliot

        Only because horny women are a commodity and horny men a nuisance.

        Droll.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm Carlos Danger

        I feel fulfilled to have earned this award. Let every cavalier who loves honor and right, follow the feather of Stuart tonight. For those of you who are ignorant, J.E.B. Stuart was among the greatest Americans who ever drew breath and one of the two or three greatest cavalry commanders in all of history. He is superceded by Nathan Bedford Forrest and no one else. Not even Marshall Ney or Phil Sheridan. So all of you Yankee scoundrels can kiss my drunken Scotch- Irish rebel ass.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:45 pm Arbiter

        I haven’t really used the term sausage fest in awhile but even when I did I mostly saw it used when a group of guys goes out with the explicit purpose of finding chicks.

        I have heard it used to ridicule a group of men who are simply having fun together, like doing some activity.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 10:44 pm Obviously Cap'n

        CD, the Nogs and Eskimos in Memphis TN are trying to dig up Nathan Bedford Forrest’s grave and remove it: http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2015/07/nathan_bedford_forrest_memphis_to_remove_grave_of_confederate_general_klansman.html

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 2:05 pm Carlos Danger

        I have heard about that. That is an outrage. What is being done to stop it? Where will it go if exhumed?

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 2:45 pm Greg Eliot

        So all of you Yankee scoundrels can kiss my drunken Scotch- Irish rebel ass.

        I’m more of a New York scalawag, but I’ll drink a good ol’ fashioned Kentucky bourbon toast to Stuart, Forrest, AND your drunken Scotch-Irish ass.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:28 pm corvinus333

      It may depend upon which part of the country you’re in.

      If it’s back East, and there are more groids, there will be more BM/WF and single white men.

      Out West, where there are more Asians and Hispanics, there will be more single white women.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 1:24 pm Drunicusrex

        There’s also more money in a lot of the Sun Belt now, as the northeast rusts into labor socialism.
        Where there’s more money, the women are more attractive, and far more numerous.
        Wealthy cities draw pretty women like fresh shit draws flies.
        Rust Belt cities might have a few cute college girls, but mostly it will be warpigs, sea cows, and scowling mud sharks, surrounded by the vibrants and multicultis who move to the Rust Belts for government jobs and/or welfare. Blech.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 12:10 pm jr

      Check out this article http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/06/young-male-and-single.html about the surplus of men in the prime nobility years. He links to the “Interactive Map of Singles” here: http://jonathansoma.com/singles/ which has a lot of graphic visualization of the data.

      I wonder what effect mass immigration has on the numbers?

      There will be a mass culling of men in the ‘near’ future through war or perhaps some other means.

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  18. on August 14, 2015 at 2:09 pm whiskeysplace

    Ashton Kutcher? Furthering career vis a short term marriage. Also Raymond Chandler, wife as mommy while he wrote.

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  19. on August 14, 2015 at 2:11 pm elmer

    In addition to my economics treatise, I writing an erotic novel for my wife about an exotic older viet woman who gets a temporary teaching job at Springdale High School. In the first chapter, Jimmy gets an embarrassingly throbbing boner by the end of her first class. She told me this was moving way too fast for her, so I have to pad it with 50 pages of mind-numbing buildup. At the airport I scanned some of the popular books. Women’s books feature nothing but dialogue while the men’s fare has something about snipers or idiots who got lost on an Arctic expedition. I realize the money is in woman’s fantasies but how can any man endure the tedium of writing for a female audience? Being a writer is tough work.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:24 pm Arbiter

      At the airport I scanned some of the popular books. Women’s books feature nothing but dialogue while the men’s fare has something about snipers or idiots who got lost on an Arctic expedition.

      Vapidness all around, these days. No depth.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 2:29 pm Carlos Danger

        There is always Tolstoy.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 1:32 pm Drunicusrex

        Reading Gravity’s Rainbow right now and it’s absolutely brilliant.
        Pynchon, Cormac McCarthy, Updike, Frantzen, DeLillo, Doctorow.
        Most any of the major historians – Robert Caro, Ron Chernow, or particularly the old school Victorians like Gibbon or Macaulay.
        Could you picture any woman ever born writing anything nearly as good as their work?

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 2:57 pm Greg Eliot

        Sorry, my man, but Pynchon’s a poseur of the first order, and Gravity’s Rainbow is the literary equivalent of the emperor with no clothes.

        Nowadays “brilliant” is thrown around like a Frisbee, rather than the manhole cover it ought to be.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm elmer

      “There is always Tolstoy.”

      We’re talking popular press here. Tolstoy never had to contemplate being a naked ape taking a shit in a cigar tube flying 30000 feet in the sky.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:43 pm Carlos Danger

        Good point, but none of them ever had to be a genius either. No one, not even Melville, gets human emotion and interaction down better than Tolstoy. That guy can sum up a room of complex people in two sentences. We are all dwarves in Tolstoy’s universe. Moreover, his short stories are great reads about riding in the cavalry, playing poker, getting drunk and seducing peasant women.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm elmer

        Watched a documentary on the Crimean War last week on my Roku. Tolstoy was a young Russian artillery officer who enjoyed his time living through the British siege of Sevastopol. Haven’t read him since I was a teenager but recall that I liked his writing a lot.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:17 pm Carlos Danger

        An accounting professor recommended him to me and I read a collection of short stories and then everýthing else I could find. He is a rare genius and understands human nature better than anyone. Very few thinkers have influenced me as he has. He is a litmus test of genius for me now. He makes great attempts to balance secular with spiritual concepts and succeeds. Anyone who wishes to understand the female dilemma in life should read Anna Karenina. He captures the dilemmas of the hypergamous wife and the beta husband perfectly.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:47 pm Arbiter

        Good point, but none of them ever had to be a genius either. No one, not even Melville, gets human emotion and interaction down better than Tolstoy. That guy can sum up a room of complex people in two sentences. We are all dwarves in Tolstoy’s universe. Moreover, his short stories are great reads about riding in the cavalry, playing poker, getting drunk and seducing peasant women.

        Interesting. I must read some Tolstoy then.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 1:46 pm Col Nicholson

        When I finally got around to opening Anna Karenina the first sentence hit me like a freight train:

        “Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”

        I actually stopped and thought about it for the rest of the day. Years later I,
        somewhat cruelly, showed it to my dad. He’d been bullshitting himself for years that we were a happy family when, in fact, my mother was a raging self-involved alcoholic and he, mother of all betas, only survived because he had a job that got him out of town 3-4 times a month.

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  20. on August 14, 2015 at 2:14 pm Atticus

    “anecdotally, there does appear to be a slight uptick in their numbers, mirroring the slight uptick in the numbers of white women-black men couples.”

    As white women get fatter and fatter, that uptick of white woman/black man couples will turn into a landslide. Only because the lowest form of woman on the planet is the fat black girl.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:29 pm corvinus333

      Black men’s cast iron stomachs when it comes to sexual partners also helps explain both why black women let themselves go so badly, and why homosexuality is so rampant among black men.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 1:26 am Phall

      size, shape, color, and texture

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  21. on August 14, 2015 at 2:18 pm Carlos Danger

    It was emotional recovery in my case.

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  22. on August 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm stevie tellatruth

    “A black man will spear white land whales or go down on the wrinkled vag flaps of old white women that no white man would touch.”

    This statement would offend me if I hadn’t already heard it from other black guys.

    [CH: i’m down with the brothers.]

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:35 pm Greg Eliot

      Black people LOVE CH!

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:07 pm elmer

        His Cloud BlackFriend messages prove it!

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 4:29 pm corvinus333

        Blacks seem to respect honest whites much more than SJWs and cucks. This often completely gobsmacks the SJWs and cucks who witness it.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 6:04 pm driveallnight

        Corvinus, I’ve noticed exactly the same thing

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 7:49 pm Arbiter

        CH should be Donald Trump’s vice-prez candidate to get the Black vote

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm theasdgamer

      wrinkled vag flaps

      I prefer the term, “piss flaps”.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:28 pm shartiste

      Fat bitches need love, too CRAIG!

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 1:35 am Phall

      black men are attracted to women who resemble the great resource-aggregating herbivores of the sub-saharan desert: the elephant, rhinoceros, cape buffalo, and hippopotamus. black men want their women to resemble these creatures in size, shape, color, and texture (it is important to not forget ‘texture’).

      these apex herbivores survive droughts in the african wild, affording them high survival rates. fat black women are also unlikely to starve, and while this may seem a moot point if they live in america, it does not change the genetic preferences of their black male suitors. white women can mimic the size and the shape, but never the color or texture.

      creatures smaller than these massive behemoths find survival to be fleeting in the harsh climates of africa. to perpetuate their species, they breed rapidly in large numbers (gazelles, wildebeasts, jackrabbits, hyenas, etc). breeding across a large expanse of territory is a useful strategy for preservation and propagation, genetically-speaking.

      black men also inherited this disposition to breed with many women. monogamy is just not a smart choice to ensure that your genes are passed on. in statistics, this is called r-selection (rather than K-selection).

      heck, blacks like over-breeding so much that some even try to pass along their genes by mating with simians! (this introduced AIDS to the world)

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  23. on August 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm mikediver5

    When I was 23 I dated a woman at 33. I had just been transferred to a new base and knew basically no one. I met her through another guy staying in the BOQ. She had been divorced for about a year and had made a major effort to get in shape. She was fit, thin, blonde (natural as it tuned out), and quite pretty. the other attractive thing was that it became sexual very quickly and she was kinky in the extreme. I think this is common with a lot of married young divorced fairly young women, they want to show how sexy they can be and have no governors on their behavior anymore.

    It ended half way through my next 6th month deployment. She ended up marrying a more senior officer in the same squadron who was a year or two older than her. I counted this as a bullet dodged.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 2:57 pm Carlos Danger

      Indeed it was. Enjoy the memories. I have many of this kind. They’re great fun while they last however.

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  24. on August 14, 2015 at 2:39 pm Jim

    When I was 26 I started dating a 40 year old woman. Truth be told, by the time I found out how old she was I already had Oneitus. I told myself the age gap wasn’t that big of a deal, but it really did cast a pall over the entire relationship. It was awkward for her to hang out with my friends because she was so much older than them, and she did her best to isolate me from hers because they’d give her shit about being a cradle-robber. Our relationship ended up being mostly about sex. I know on this site that’s viewed as the perfect arrangement, but that’s not the case when it’s based solely on awkwardness and discomfort. She’d want more, then get self-conscious and withdraw. I’d want more, fight my way through it, only to have it be incredibly uncomfortable when I’d go out with her friends and find out I went to high school with one of their nephews.

    We finally fell apart after two years. And yeah, one of the big reasons for that was that I met a girl that was much younger and definitely “marriage material.” Plus, she was probably the 6th-7th time where without even trying I was left thinking that there were better, less stressful options for me out there while I was banging my head against the wall trying to make it work with someone who it clearly wasn’t going to work with.

    It was trying to answer the question of “what the fuck happened with her” that got me to find sites like CH and RoK. It’s funny, cause I don’t neatly fit the mold of the four reasons you gave for the older-woman/younger-man dynamic. She was great looking, but I was sleeping with two other girls in their early 20’s when I met her, and I ended those almost immediately to be with her. I certainly betafied myself during the relationship, but I didn’t start off that way. Still, I read you saying “we feel a jolt of emotional discomfort when we see the opposite” and know that you’re absolutely right. As you tag posts, “Biomechanics is God.” If I ever have a son who was sniffing around an older woman, I’d sit him down and tell him the story of the girl I dated before I met his mother as a warning.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:02 pm Carlos Danger

      Dude, very good advice. I loved my Maggie Mays very much and still do. All were a mjor contríbutor to me becoming a man. If you do this just be a man and be prepared for the fall out. All were good women out of step with their situation. It’s sad for them but good for you.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:51 pm Carlos Danger

        You want to be Maggie May when you’re the old man banging younger girls. I love them all, young and older. When you’re 53, most are younger anyway.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:08 pm theasdgamer

      My Maggie maes were 1-3 years older than me. Not a big deal.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 7:59 pm Arbiter

      Our relationship ended up being mostly about sex. I know on this site that’s viewed as the perfect arrangement,

      No need to make that assumption. Too many make that incorrect assumption, that game is all about going from one woman to another without ever starting a relationship. But what manosphere guru has ever said that? Certainly not CH. He doesn’t say you shouldn’t start a relationship if you find the right girl. However, he doesn’t deny the fun you have while you are looking for that girl.

      Anyway, interesting story. You were right to move on of course, but also right in having that experience.

      Just last winter I slept with a woman who was forty, who I honestly thought was many years younger. Her breasts were perfect, so it surprised me. Some women just look a lot younger, often the small ones.

      My girlfriend two years back was 26, and I swear she looked sixteen. Petite with waist-long hair and a very youthful face, highly unusual. I received angry looks often when we were out, and people whispered about us when we visited coffee shops, etc. It wasn’t fun. But I digress.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 1:46 pm Drunicusrex

        I banged a 48 year old a few months ago, and she wasn’t half bad. (I’m 45 but usually end up with late 20’s-early 30’s.)
        It was easily the easiest sex I’ve ever had. Once we got in the hot tub, she and her friend, who was a bit hotter, peeled off their clothes and we fucked them in minutes.
        The best part about older women is their delightful degree of sluttiness.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 3:23 pm Jim

        No, you’re right. I was generalizing. My point was that I thought some would read it and think “fuck buddies,” but just because of the situation it was terrible. The most beta moments of my life were her stopping by for an afternoon, crazy sex for a few hours, and then she’d leave to go see her sister or her friends and I’d nope around the house for the rest of the night cause I wanted to be with her.

        Glad that’s over with!

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  25. on August 14, 2015 at 2:58 pm McGonzo

    One other partial reason might be if the woman were more “old school” than the current crop of nasty feminazis with a chip on their shoulder that was even heavier than the massive amount of lard plus body hair they sported.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 4:19 pm Carlos Danger

      I didn’t even think of that in my blast of nostalgia.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 5:00 am James1

      Feminazis is an insult to nazis

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  26. on August 14, 2015 at 3:07 pm Canadian Friend

    When I was 32 I was with a 40 year old woman for a couple of months, I left her because she was drunk half the time, an angry drunk.

    She is the only woman who ever gave me six complete blowjobs in one day, and by complete I mean I came inside her mouth 6 times that Sunday back in 1992.

    I will always remember that day.

    All women I met after never got over 2 times. and now I am 55 so 6 times will never happen again.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:09 pm theasdgamer

      Almonds, heavy lifting, and certain T supplements.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 3:26 pm elmer

        and baking soda.

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 6:55 pm fredmertz

        Baking soda?Care to expodulate?

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      • on August 14, 2015 at 9:15 pm elmer

        “Baking soda?Care to expodulate?”

        It raises the urinary pH thus bathing the prostate in a soothing alkali medium. Acidic urine causes discomfort in the prostate and urethra. Your prostatic fluid is highly alkaline. Green tea also has the same effect.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:46 pm Carlos Danger

      Formidable!

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 8:01 pm Arbiter

      She is the only woman who ever gave me six complete blowjobs in one day

      I don’t know if I can believe you, you’ll have to give me her number so I can check for myself

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    • on August 17, 2015 at 3:27 pm Anonymous

      Erm what date in 1992?

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  27. on August 14, 2015 at 3:24 pm shartiste

    The young guy- cougar experimentation phase is common, and dare I say, a good thing for the burgeoning alpha. The young guy learns so much, and I don’t mean how to thrust PIV, you get that pretty quickly. Rather, he learns so much about the sexual market and value even if he can’t put words to the concepts. It will click in his head.

    Firstly, these relationships start off which the older woman being the sexual aggressor most of the time. The guy will see whats its like to be sought after, a cocky funny I’m the prize mentality will flow naturally from the dynamic. It will feel good. It will imprint in his muscle memory.

    The cougar is easier. She is quite verbal about it, too. This is great – quick sex. But he can’t ignore the bit of disgust he has for this. He’ll learn to appreciate the chastity and demureness of other girls, and by extension, he’ll enjoy the seduction process more in the future.

    If he goes to her place to bang her, he’ll often see photos of her when she was younger. She may be worthy of load now, but he’ll see how much hotter she was. He’ll understand what “looks good for her age” means. A clear realtime look at the wall. Her younger photos will look like the girls who are currently rejecting him at school or keg parties. He’ll have a new perspective on the biology of it all, where his co-eds will end up if they’re not careful.

    He’ll learn about intimacy. Rather, he’ll learn about the void of intimacy. Why does he feel nothing beyond the orgasm when bangs the older broad, but neurotransmitters rain down his solar plexus and race his pulse when he brushes up against the soft skin of an 18 year old? The older woman is like masturbating, not what his body really craves.

    He’ll learn his likes and limits, sexually. She’ll pull out all the stops, offer everything. He’ll get his first good blow job. She’ll offer the ass. Anything he wants. He can brag about the good stuff to his friends over cheap shitty beer, and direct future lovers not to do the stuff he doesn’t like.

    He’ll learn how to end a relationship. And he will have to. Contrary to what cougars may claim about these relationships, they are ones who end up heartbroken and yearning for more. He’ll get to end the relationship from a position of strength for probably the first time in his life. Via text she’ll cycle through the stages of loss denial-anger-bargaining-depression-acceptance (though IRL bargaining often comes before anger). He’ll watch this and see how pathetic it is. God willing, he will learn not to duplicate it should he one day end up dumped.

    Sure, this knowledge is all online. But it quite different to see it with your own eyes, feel it, archive it in your hippocampus. A few cougar experiments for the late teens/early twenties guy can catapult his knowledge of the SMV.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:47 pm Carlos Danger

      I just learned great techniques and how good it felt to be the man. But overall you’re right.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 3:49 pm Canadian Friend

      + 1

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 8:04 pm Arbiter

      He’ll learn about intimacy. Rather, he’ll learn about the void of intimacy. Why does he feel nothing beyond the orgasm when bangs the older broad, but neurotransmitters rain down his solar plexus and race his pulse when he brushes up against the soft skin of an 18 year old? The older woman is like masturbating, not what his body really craves.

      Harsh. But life is harsh.

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  28. on August 14, 2015 at 4:24 pm elmer

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  29. on August 14, 2015 at 4:36 pm corvinus333

    Update

    I forgot to mention sex ratio skew as a potential cause of increased younger man-older woman marriages. In a market in which men outnumbered (against the historical average) the available hot young minxes, there would be immense pressure at the younger male margins to tragically settle for older women who are the sexual and/or marital discards of older alpha men in the process of trading up to younger lovers. An ahistorical sex ratio skew can introduce plenty of tumult and “black swans” into the normal functioning of the sexual market.

    Yes, this is exactly what happened due to the end of the Baby Boom. The birth rate crashed between 1960 and 1975, with the squeeze being worst around 1995 or so.

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  30. on August 14, 2015 at 4:56 pm Noel

    CH & readers:

    Would you assume the classic “deviant” example of the Ashton Kutcher- Demi Moore [while it lasted, heh heh] a case of the woman being “preternaturally attractive & slender” at her advanced age?

    Given his track record, Ashton surprises by 1) marrying Demi & 2) staying with her for so long.

    Thoughts?

    Ashton seems “deviant”, statistically, esp. since he seems to have celebrity status & game….

    Otherwise CH’s analysis is spot on. This has close parallels to the handsome man-ugly girl syndrome.

    Interesting to see HOW the hamster spins this. I have a co-worker who is “relatively’ attractive & slender at 38[!!!] but who maintains that she is “only” attracted to “younger’ men. But I feel societal pressure may still be strong as her current bf is 30, has a mohawk and doesn’t seem remotely interested in settling down. Yet she goes around talking about wanting babies all the time. Poor thing….

    –noel

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  31. on August 14, 2015 at 5:00 pm Noel

    Where would Ashton Kutcher – Demi Moore fall? The first reason? seems odd for him….

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  32. on August 14, 2015 at 5:08 pm Noel

    Specifically, Ashton doesn’t seem to be a fetishist and he’s seems not to be a/an beta/omega [look who’s his “wife now”]. Must be because Demi staved off the wall better than most?

    Thoughts?

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 5:25 pm shartiste

      he likely got addicted to the crazy psycho sex.

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      • on August 15, 2015 at 9:19 am corvinus333

        Heh

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 5:30 pm PA

      Career advancement. She was an A-lister, he a nobody sitcom actor.

      He may have pissed it away on Two and a Half Men, which became all-homo-all-the-time after Charlie Sheen’s departure.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 8:05 pm Arbiter

      Do you even need to ask? She had money, fame and Hollywood connections.

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  33. on August 14, 2015 at 5:13 pm Noel

    The female hamster is strong on this. I have a 38-yr old co-worker whose bf is 30. she says she’s attracted only to younger men. yet interestingly she didn’t mention this fact to me; another co-worker did who said she seemed embarrassed by this age gap. heh. if she were “attracted” she shouldn’t be ashamed! similarly, i think, when a man says he likes land whales. lots of self deception…

    poor 38-yr old. she’s talking of babies all the time at work. and her 30yr old mohawk bf? unlikely….

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  34. on August 14, 2015 at 5:14 pm Why Do Some Men Marry Older Broads? | Reaction Times

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  35. on August 14, 2015 at 5:19 pm Joshua Sinistar

    Look, fucking older women is not always a bad thing. When I was 17, I learned the ropes by banging some teachers and a guidance counselor. When you first buy a video game, you learn the controls by setting it to easy mode until you get the hang of which buttons you need to press.
    Its the older guys who are in their twenties and thirties that still play on easy mode that are losers. If you want to learn to shoot, you have to start on easy targets, and then move up. Its those that still swim in the kiddie pool later in life that are losers.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm fredmertz

      You rang?

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 8:07 pm Arbiter

      When I was 17, I learned the ropes by banging some teachers and a guidance counselor.

      You . . . what? 😀

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 9:20 am corvinus333

      Did you even read to the end of the first paragraph?:

      (I specify “grown man”, because there is room in the sexual market for inexperienced teenage and early 20s beta males to pop their cherries in the easy and uncomplicated, if road-worn, guiding folds of older woman orifice.)

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  36. on August 14, 2015 at 5:21 pm Noel

    Also: this phenom seems similar to the handsome man-ugly woman syndrome…i.e., lack of game.

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  37. on August 14, 2015 at 5:56 pm Capper

    there is one more to add to the list of reasons why a younger man might be with an older woman: they were both quite young when they hooked up.

    in the example i’m thinking of, the guy was 21 and the girl was 24. they eventually married.

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  38. on August 14, 2015 at 6:26 pm Glengarry

    On reading this, I realize that I’ve never banged a girl substantially older than myself (more than a year), and indeed, that I’ve never banged a woman over 29 either. That seems a bit unusual. I was, however, in my teens over at a friend’s house and ended up with his mom discreetly but indubiably coming on to me. I was creeped out and pretended I didn’t understand. If not for such queasiness, I suppose I could have been an epic lothario.

    As some have mentioned above, things do get looser after a certain age. I have a divorced beta acquaintance who has already raised his children, and who then hooked up with a 5-10 years older woman. Apart from her age, she was better quality than what he was getting before. But still, I thought. I’d never do it.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 11:14 am pilot75

      Always good for a man to taste test, if she’s still hot that is. Don’t get into an LTR with one but don’t turn down good sex with a sexy older woman (under 45 preferably). I’ve had some mind blowing experiences with women a few years older. She has to be hot though, and that’s tough to find post-wall.

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  39. on August 14, 2015 at 6:41 pm pilot75

    Full disclosure….I was attacked by a cougar who ran “direct game” on me in Starbucks 2 weeks ago. I’m 40 and I have no idea how old this feral old cat is. 48-50??? Yikes! She wouldn’t tell me and I have an under 30 rule.

    So, I’m sitting down reading this site (heh) and this blonde, hot bodied (I mean guys, c’mon, huge tits, hourglass etc) approaches me and tells me she’s seen me before and wanted to intro herself. Then she compliments my voice and says I should be in radio and media. I immediately know where this is going and all the old dudes in there are looking at me like I just fell out of a spaceship. To them, she’s a young, hot bitch still I guess. You could tell in her peak SMV years that she was damn close to a 9-10 and I’m leaning toward 10. As far as her current SMV, who knows…I don’t know how to or care to rate old Cougars. I’ll give her a 7 just for her body but she’s got mild wear on the face and is way post wall.

    Anyway, I decide to hell with it. I’m going to go for it just to get a good story (and out of curiosity) I snag her number and we hit the drinks later that week. Long story short, this coug had some crazy bat shit stories about trying to sell Tony Robbins a “Holotron Machine” and her years banging dudes in L.A. post divorce. I’m telling you, this was some off the wall shit. Ted Bundy made an appearance in one of her stories from his days prowling in UT (apparently her ex ran into him) So, the night winds down and I throw out the old “drinks on the patio” routine which she happily agrees. We get to my place and now I’m buzzed and she attacks me with full cougar intensity, claws, teeth and all. Great body, tight, but still not like a supple 20 something. She was good though. That’s it for me ….I’m cougared out for a long time.

    Anyway, the moral of the story is that its ok to mix in an older woman once in a great while on the game scene. (Never get on an LTR with one) They usually have some weird stories and are interesting to talk to. This one was remarkably anti-feminist and seemed to have ingested the red pill at some point. The way she ran game on me made me wonder if she was some old school Female PUA. Hmmmm.

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  40. on August 14, 2015 at 6:54 pm Beefy Levinson

    My last girlfriend was ten years younger. I recently asked out a 21 year old hottie and she was all, “I’m too young for you. You need to find someone your age.” To which I replied, “In another four years, you will be too old for me.”

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 9:24 am corvinus333

      “I’m too young for you. You need to find someone your age.” To which I replied, “In another four years, you will be too old for me.”

      I’ll have to remember that line in case.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 1:16 pm walawala

      @Beefy great response.

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  41. on August 14, 2015 at 7:21 pm jack

    I would not really want to own a vintage Porsche. I would love to have one lent to me. Same goes with a vintage wooden boat. Corollary: Faded glory of formerly hot normal women.

    I would love to own a very old Fender Stratocaster. Corollary: Even at 70, Sophia Loren was probably beyond my SMV grasp.

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    • on August 14, 2015 at 11:39 pm Mike

      These days new cars don’t even look as good as the ones from the mid 90’s-early 00’s. Not relevant to the conservation but w/e

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  42. on August 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm Stationarity

    A family member, 27, married a woman 12 years his senior. She chased him around and lavished gifts on him…shortly after he broke up with a girl(HB8) he wanted to marry. He was divorced(cucked) with a kid and needed someone to be a mother to his child. She is thin and pretty for her age, but an alpha widow. Her first husband cheated on her and hit her occasionally….and she still consults with him when she makes decisions. It causes all kind of drama in the marriage, and I still can’t believe he married her.

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  43. on August 14, 2015 at 8:27 pm cptnemo2013

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

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  44. on August 14, 2015 at 9:17 pm peterike

    Sharon Stone is looking pretty hot at 57. But she says nobody asks her out. Anyone?

    http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a11741/sharon-stone-nude-0915/

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  45. on August 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm Haven M.

    fucking mod.

    Someone brought up Ashton/Demi. More recent example is Godzilla boy (Kick Ass Nerd). He married his grandma, I think. He’s like steve in the other thread, he says, soooo much ass as a young star, he was ready to go with a real, older woman. He’s also got a hyphenated name.

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  46. on August 14, 2015 at 10:44 pm x13

    how much older are we talking? one or 2 years over is fine for me.

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  47. on August 14, 2015 at 10:47 pm Dr. Giggles

    “As to why it’s considered the norm to marry a woman the same age as you, I have a couple of ideas:

    1) Social pressure, especially from the women.
    2) Online dating, which has a stronger age-homogamy bias than IRL.
    3) Lack of game on the men’s part.”

    There’s a fourth reason why men aren’t 10 years younger like biology would dictate; our children are raised a coeducational system, meaning boys and girls share the same classroom. This is a 20th century phemonemon that wasn’t as prevalent before the 1950’s. Our grandfathers and grandmothers learned in seperate classrooms, if not seperate buildings. Thus they grew up without having the anxiety of having to develop in front of each other. This allowed them to mature more quickly and be more confident within their gender because their peers would keep them in check (girls calling out tomboys, boys bullying gay behavior).

    By the time they became teenagers, women would be completely be feminine and men masculine, because they privy to each other’s world. Then biology would take care of the rest. An 25 year old man would swoop in to romance a flowering 15 year old and her 15 brother would toil to prove himself until he became a that same dominant man at 25. Coed learning ruined this.

    By putting boys and girls together in the same classroom at such an early age, men and women have developed their social circles according to the same age. This is really bad for men but great for women. By the time you’re in highscool, that hot friend you’ve known since the first grade already has you sized up, making it harder for you to get with her. You’re still dealing with competition from older men. Your opportunities to bag someone younger is hard because you aren’t in the same classes and the girls who are your age pressure you not to. Thoughout all of this you are being conditioned to socialize with women your own age.

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  48. on August 14, 2015 at 11:34 pm Mike

    Because feminism has produced generations of cold, distant mothers. So some men seek a nurturing maternal figure to fill the void inside them caused by this, even though it goes against their biological interests.

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  49. on August 15, 2015 at 3:08 am Dope Man

    “The older woman was rich. Many of the younger men in these relationships are closeted gays on the psychopathy spectrum.”

    Why’s that – these guys are gays? I don’t quite get it.

    What’s wrong with marrying a bitch to live an easy life? I’ve always thought about it – women do it (marry rich men for money, and fuck other sexy cads), so why couldn’t I do it too? haha

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  50. on August 15, 2015 at 7:34 am beta schlub pond scum

    economics. the costs and risks to men of having kids have increased dramatically. while the costs and risks to women of having kids have decreased. a lot of men don’t want to have kids, ESPECIALLY their own. dating an older broad makes it less likely she’ll squeeze out one of his. likewise settling with a mom who’s already had a few gives a man a window for opting out if shit gets annoying. most women can’t or won’t try to afford a lawyer to sue the non-daddy over child support.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 12:05 pm corvinus333

      a lot of men don’t want to have kids, ESPECIALLY their own.

      Normally it’s “a lot of men don’t want to have kids, ESPECIALLY someone else’s.”

      Cuckservatives excluded, of course.

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  51. on August 15, 2015 at 9:55 am A2M is the new BJ

    your comment about black guys being more tolerant the a women’s hideous SMV rings true to me…
    i was banging that 0.375 white whale (who would let me do anything to her) but every time i would hit it, i would feel like less of man.

    Hopefully next year at the olympics i will be able to use my redpill knowledge to make some damage in the Athletes village and make amends! =D

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  52. on August 15, 2015 at 2:06 pm Jay

    CH’s job is to generalize, naturally. However, human nature is broad and personal situations are varied. Therefore many examples can be found where it’s beneficial for a younger male to have a relationship with an older woman. When I was 28 and very busy in grad school, I met a 36 year-old artist. She pursued me and after a while asked me to move in with her. I went with the flow: home cooking and great sex (she would do the most intense sexual flushing I ever saw, as well as a pistol of a clit erection). So I stayed with her for a year while I was finishing my PhD. When I made it clear that I was then moving to Brasil, she told me to clear out. I did so at once. And then hooked up with one of the super-built chicks in Robert Crumb’s crowd, on whom he modeled his wonder women. And then I went to Brasil. Life was good.

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  53. on August 15, 2015 at 2:24 pm Tom Roberts

    “There’s a reason we feel an emotional swell of harmoniousness when we see older man-younger woman couples, and we feel a jolt of emotional discomfort when we see the opposite”

    I really do get a kick out of reading these posts. At minimum it just reaffirms within this silo of discussion, the obvious truths that get drowned out by collapsing cultural edifices that the Western women (and White Knights, mangina’s and the confused not yet red pill) would like us have to believe: “age is just a number.”

    The key take away here, is that while we experiment in the SMP, we will at times, find ourselves entertaining the older broad, as a plate, short-term, even on occasion the longer term. However, we do so by suppressing the first thought that happens in a fraction of a second: a discomfort.

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    • on August 15, 2015 at 4:04 pm pilot75

      Exactly! Well put….

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  54. on August 15, 2015 at 10:31 pm Joe The Bastard

    Benjamin Franklin- ‘Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress’ (1745)

    June 25, 1745

    My dear Friend,

    I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. Marriage is the proper Remedy. It is the most natural State of Man, and therefore the State in which you are most likely to find solid Happiness. Your Reasons against entering into it at present, appear to me not well-founded. The circumstantial Advantages you have in View by postponing it, are not only uncertain, but they are small in comparison with that of the Thing itself, the being married and settled. It is the Man and Woman united that make the compleat human Being. Separate, she wants his Force of Body and Strength of Reason; he, her Softness, Sensibility and acute Discernment. Together they are more likely to succeed in the World. A single Man has not nearly the Value he would have in that State of Union. He is an incomplete Animal. He resembles the odd Half of a Pair of Scissars. If you get a prudent healthy Wife, your Industry in your Profession, with her good Economy, will be a Fortune sufficient.

    But if you will not take this Counsel, and persist in thinking a Commerce with the Sex inevitable, then I repeat my former Advice, that in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:

    i. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.

    2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good. To maintain their Influence over Men, they supply the Diminution of Beauty by an Augmentation of Utility. They learn to do a 1000 Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. Thus they continue amiable. And hence there is hardly such a thing to be found as an old Woman who is not a good Woman.

    3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience.

    4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.

    5. Because in every Animal that walks upright, the Deficiency of the Fluids that fill the Muscles appears first in the highest Part: The Face first grows lank and wrinkled; then the Neck; then the Breast and Arms; the lower Parts continuing to the last as plump as ever: So that covering all above with a Basket, and regarding2 only what is below the Girdle, it is impossible of two Women to know an old from a young one. And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal Enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.

    6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.

    7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.

    8thly and Lastly They are so grateful!!

    Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly; being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

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  55. on August 16, 2015 at 7:27 am mas00

    So who can tell me about the situation with my good friend. Early 30’s
    a year or two older than me, police officer and a guy who I know only dates older women?

    Currently seeing a “divorced” (not too sure about that) late 30’s but come on this girl looks like early 40’s fake tits, that her husband probably paid for. I say she is an HB6 her face has the years written all over it and she has 2 kids. He can’t stop bragging about her body, because well honestly she is in shape. Whenever she comes over I can tell because our place smells like old lady perfume and it reeks.

    He’s “in love” and from what we know every girl he dates he “falls in love with”. When I met him he was dating a girl who dumped him she was a really cool girl HB7 – she moved to NYC, and got married.

    He met her, and now never goes out, only makes time for her, and since he works nights he sleeps all day or when he does have energy he watches TV?

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    • on August 17, 2015 at 3:31 am walawala

      @mas00 he’s a cop, deals with a lot of drama, last thing he needs is to invest in chasing/gaming younger girls who wouldn’t “get” him.

      It’s easy. Also for her, it’s a thrill to have an “authority figure”. So in many ways it’s an easy out for both.

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      • on August 17, 2015 at 9:13 pm mas00

        @walawala

        so you’re implying that “game” comes with chasing and effort that is not worth it? I get the perspective as an easy out, but wouldn’t any “alpha male” do what he needs to do to try to better himself and get the best option available for his future/kids/etc?

        I just got back from travels over seas and it’s funny he’s like let’s go out tonight (monday night) and get a drink and then something happened, he’s on the phone with her, and then “no forget it, I’m kind of tried from my yoga session.” WTF?!

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  56. on August 17, 2015 at 2:03 pm kuchak

    “…the easy and uncomplicated, if road-worn, guiding folds of older woman orifice.”

    I wish I could write like CH.

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  57. on August 19, 2015 at 3:30 pm key

    a 19 yr old man, 10-15 years pre-smv apex, wifing up and keeping an 18 yr old sweet girl at her smv apex is an achievement

    of sorts

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