Vox points out that Donald Fucking Trump used a classic game tactic — the neg — on (former) supermodel (and mudshark) Heidi Klum, when he said “she’s great, but no longer a 10”.
You know a man is a mega alpha when a single casual neg directed in an offhand manner at a former supermodel results in two videos and multiple public statements as the woman desperately tries to qualify herself to him.
The tingle-stricken lady doth protest too much.
The sheer incoherence of Klum’s remarks underline the degree to which Trump’s dismissive remark rattled her. That, gentlemen, is how it is done. Identify the insecurity and casually press. You know you’ve hit the nerve when their reaction spans days.
The alpha does not qualify himself to women, ever. He expects women to qualify themselves to him.
ABQ: Always Be Qualifying.
Oh, and ladies, a helpful reminder: If you are a White woman of incomparable beauty, don’t throw your genetic heritage away on a coalburning “F YOU DAD” mission. When you get older and less attractive (as you assuredly will), people will feel less urgency to extend you kindness and deference because your family looks weird and they’ll have doubts about your character. Can I get a two-for-one ‘heh’? Heh.
(Trump’s remark actually straddles the line between a neg and an insult, although a man with as much preselected alpha goodness as Trump has more margin for error in this matter. Nonetheless, I’d still call it a neg, because he did butter her up first before delivering the backhanded compliment.)
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Also from Vox, another demonstration of the power of Fame Game over women’s attraction triggers.
The best part about Game is watching a girl become “noticeably more interested” in you as you weave your biomechanic magic. It’s very satisfying, even apart from the normal anticipatory excitement that accompanies courtship.
Heidi is an example of how the mighty fall.
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She Seal-ed her fate
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Scar game.
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Heyo!
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I read that as “how the mighty fail”. Also accurate.
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The wall has not been kind to her.
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[img src=”http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/heidi-klum-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-50-years-of-beautiful_8-930×1520.jpg“]
In better times
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Fucked that up. Link is more idiot-proof: http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/cindylover/heidi.jpg
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I’m pretty certain that that’s Elle MacPherson
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That’s not Heidi Klum. I could never see much in her, even before she went mudsharking. She now must look after two mongrel seals. Stupid self-obsessed bitch.
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Tis Heidi, folks. Note the jaw and the teeth.
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Fame game is basically an extreme form of social proof.
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watch how the crowd treats Ronaldo as a nobody. first they ignore him, then he demonstrates some skill and people are intrigued – proving that displaying high value is important with or without fame – then watch the crowd when he discloses who he really is… Fame trumps all. It encapsulates all aspects of the DPA life.
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Literally ooh’s and ah’s from the small crowd the INSTANT he becomes recognizable, which then transforms to a large crowd in SECONDS. Great vid.
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Did you see he tries to get a girl’s number in disguise and she blows him off in 1 sec? LOL Take heart day gamers…
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And remember, for the rest of us Murricans, it’s “Khristianu Honaldu”.
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WOW is that Daily Mail article full of hooey.
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The Daily Mail writer is named “Kelly”, other articles by the same writer tend to cluster around a few topics, like “first woman to …” stuff.
Someone’s panties got all bunched up, obviously. I bet she’d drop them for The Donald under the right circumstances, too.
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The neg is interesting when you do it without thinking. Did you know that the “gut instinct” is something real?
Our internal organs have nerves inside them that react to new situations that we help to create when we take action outside of our comfort zones. In turn, we become battle harded to the reactions of women.
I did this the other day without thinking but was pleased with the result. I told a woman at a social function that she was a leader. First in line to get food but not to work. (She has a high level excutive position at a bank.)
Her younger sister jumped to her defense and told me that I was assuming a lot. But I could tell by the look in the woman’s eyes that she was thrilled with me because I did not kiss her round tight ass like the rest of the fools who bore her in everyday life. I am sure the entire household is discussing the matter. I could tell that her brother looked pissed. Next time I see her in another week or so I am sure that she will be ready to see what I have to say next. She will hang on to my every word.
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how is this a neg i dont understand..
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*smirk*
*back turn*
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More neggy: “She’s great, former 10.”
Conceptually the neg is a clusterfuck.
Neg is an insult, but so subtle it is plausibly deniable. It is a disqualifier. It is a reframe. It is only for very hot women. I think it is rhetorical mastery, an expression of finesse to complement frame that is well calibrated on multiple dimensions. Negs must be ‘unwrapped’.
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“…people will feel less urgency to extend you kindness and deference because your family looks weird and they’ll have doubts about your character.”
Doubts?
Shouldn’t be any doubt. The evidence of the womans character deficieny is right there, trying to steal the neighbours bike.
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“Shouldn’t be any doubt. The evidence of the womans character deficieny is right there, trying to steal the neighbours bike.”
Golden line.
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Agreed. Brilliant.
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I’m a bit curious as to why Trump has to mention Klum at all… he’s in the middle of a campaign, not recruiting for the next Celebrity Apprentice.
If some snarky reporter brought her up out of the blue, just to try and get a “mudshark” reaction from him, well… I guess he handled that as best allowed, these days.
Although if that’s the case, I would have called the snark on it: “What does a former 10 have to do with anything?” Two birds with one stone.
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see Arbiters post – Dowd “reported” on Trump’s statement made YEARS ago about Klum on the Howard Stern show… It was her attempt to backhand a shiv into a putative neutral piece on Trump TODAY… sneaky whore…
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That makes “the press” all the more pathetic… talk about grasping at straws. (((shakin’ it)))
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She was never even close to being a 10. Great figure but the face? Maybe a 5.
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[…] By CH […]
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Women being heavily influenced by relationships with their father is Freudian nonsense, unworthy of an otherwise scientific blog.
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Maybe. But status seeking and lefty signaling are very real. Take that my raycis mom and dad!
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Although the context makes it obvious, you probably should be writing Vox Day instead of just Vox.
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Lol, I was thinking “That doesn’t sound like Ezra Klein…” until I clicked through.
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Surely they’re on a first name basis by now.
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to CH et al.:
bear with me if i’m treading game 101 [i’ve been reading up old posts on the neg]. still very much a newbie. As CH points out trump’s remark is technically borderline…? how distinguish well?
I assume if i, not being trump, had said that to a pretty girl, it’d be a straight up insult, right? it’d not have the ambiguity of a backhanded compliment…?
so, as a learning moment for myself, as a non-trump: would a “more proper” neg be something like:
1. Heidi, for a 42yr old, you’re in amazing shape.
2. Heidi, [if true or not] — i find it admirable and attractive that you’re not giving in to the fad of plastic surgery. you still look very nice…
others?
assume that you’re not trump, and the forum isn’t public like theirs….
thoughts? my trouble, i feel, is i probably end up insulting rather than negging, even if i say it in a teasing way. which still isn’t good….
but the analysis — ch’s & vox’s — is on the money.
thx.
[CH: a less insulting reformulation of trump’s neg would go something like “heidi you look great, a more natural 9 instead of an airbrushed 10.”
(i think in her heyday heidi was airbrushed instead of shopped.]
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“You have a very… interesting profile” is one I use a lot. The ambiguity gets them. Not a nuclear neg, nice and subtle.
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“You look very Gothic,” “You seem like a nerd” and other negs of this variety have served me well. As if on cue, the girl almost always replies with, “…And is that a good or a bad thing??!!!”
You know it worked when they verbalize their uncertainty.
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Neg can just mean not giving a betaboy schlub response:
1. Heidi looks ok.
or
2. She’s alright looking.
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To rattle a woman, say something, anything, about her hair
[CH: or nothing at all, if she has recently gotten a new hairstyle. rattle rape!]
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I suppose the classic structure is:
1. Compliment
2. Reversal
I’m thinking of the classic Mystery neg:
“You look like a model.”
[compliment]
“A hand model?”
[Reversal]
So:
“I like your hair.”
“It’s interesting/weird/wild.”
i’m also thinking of CH-style negs, such as:
“you seem like a reserved girl. i get that impression about you.”
Thoughts? I think negs are difficult to master well, and if i ever did neg well, it’s been purely accidental.
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met a russian/iranian hottie. the accent, man. Made a point to ignore the accent throughout entire convo, sat down together and an hour in she was bragging about her tits. It fucked with her mind bad. Then I said I was into blondes and flirted with the waitress. I was drinking. But the results were magical.
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“Did you go to the hair salon?” 😆 Lol women.
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When I was in college, I unintentionally proffered a neg while honestly (and autistically) answered a girl who asked me my opinion of her outfit (skirt, blouse, can’t recall). I answered, “You’re prettier than [other girl standing within earshot], but I like her better.” I received the full attention of both girls for the rest of the evening.
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like with everything, i suppose the other tricky part is the delivery. CH rightly points out the sincere delivery, but to me it’s hard because i wouldn’t want it coming out as an insult, which the girl can easily dismiss. i guess the girl has to take the remark seriously on some level for it to work…too jokey, and the girl dismisses it, too…
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that’s a great asshole neg. Gonna field test it if I get a chance.
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With a 2 set of good looking women this is a killer gambit:
approach or in conversation.
“ok…which one is the trouble maker?”
Pregnant pause. (Now here’s the beauty, it doesn’t matter how they respond or who responds, one of them will respond more expressively than the other, focus on that one and respond)
“oh…you are lying”
it’s dynamite because whether she says she’s the good one, or the bad one, or calls her friend either of them…you can just call her a liar and comment the opposite.
“You’re not the good one I see the lil devil horns perking up on your head (kino plow)”
“No way. You look too goody 2 shoes, your friend is the real devil.”
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A modest clarification follows.
“With a [pair] of good looking women…[the women being equal and interchangeable]”
My success was/is based substantially on the truth of my statements. One of the two women was prettier, the other was better tempered. The truth of your statement in Game is VERY important because truth will reinforce any tactical banter you employ when the hamster starts spinning in its wheel. If she’s overweight, even a little, that’s a truth to use. If she’s vain, tell her she’s vain. If the other woman with her has a prettier smile, USE THAT. A woman without petty vanity is exceedingly rare, so your best tactic is appealing to her actual strengths to compliment her, and identifying real and comparable traits among her fellow women where she is lacking.
Every morning my wife gets out of bed and exercises like her marriage depends on it. It doesn’t, but she’s better for the effort.
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oh, that’s nice…i guess she might have to spin her hamster thinking:
1. have i always been a 9 or only recently?
2. Was i a 10 in my youth, or was that airbrushed?
nice. heh
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Don’t neg her on her looks – It rarely goes over well.
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@Heidi…One that I use is a variation of this:
“Heidi Klum looks great….”
Cheers…
“Let me finish my sentence….Heidi Klum looks great …in those Victoria’s Secret ads she used to do…”
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How bout this…
Heidi is still fairly beautiful.
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Or (for Heidi Klum or any woman in her late 30s/early 40s) – “She still looks pretty good.” You give her a compliment, but one that reminds her how close to the wall she’s getting.
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“I bet you were pretty hot when you were young”
For use on older chicks when they get uppity
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” It’s very satisfying, even apart from the normal anticipatory excitement that accompanies courtship.”
That’s what psychological dominance feels like…
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Heidi Klum also got pumped and dumped by Flavio Briatore
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I’d say she got pumped (whatever about dumped) by half the showbiz industry. Must be floating on STDs.
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Heidi Klum has spent her entire life and career making money off of her looks, and now that those looks have faded is claiming she can’t be judged on it.
The hamster is strong.
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Right – there are no pronouncements from her objecting to the heinous objectifying label of “SUPERMODEL” over the last 20 years… Or her industry nickname “The Body” when she was top of the table… LOL
Run hamster run.
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I thought Elle MacPherson was given “The Body” nickname?
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Damnit, I’m skimming through the thread too fast today. Second mis-reading about Klum. I read that as “when she was on top of the table”.
Would explain how she got ahead in her career.
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She did as well and they actually had a spat over it…. LOL
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She was young and inexperienced, now that she is a mature woman at her peak she realizes that she was being victimized. If the patriarchal statute of limitations hadn’t run out she would sue for sexual harassment
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Nice, Mr. Torres. Very nice.
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[…] The Reality Of Game: Trump Negs Klum, She Responds… Predictably […]
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http://www.gm.com/company/aboutGM/diversity/recognizing-african-american-heritage.html
We were forced to bail out the Cathedral.
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I mean jesus fucking christ. Even if the Jews were not using “diversity” as a tactic of war to destroy white civilization (which they are), how can the left (which has become mainstream and required for corporate America) even pretend to think that diversity is important, at all?
People want to be with their own kind, including blacks (except of course every man wants to be with a naked white woman).
Diversity is bad in all ways, big and small. It’s simply not something to be sought even mildly, let alone praised, with a Chief Diversity Officers in every Cathedral corporation. Diversity equals war (actual physical danger for whites) as CH has pointed out. But even “small”: if I worked at GM, or any company, or where I work, I’d rather see as many attractive smart people with whom to work and have lunch with every day. Women should be at home being mothers, but if women are going to work, I’d rather see as many pretty ones as possible not like the people depicted in the propaganda at GM’s website.
“Diversity” religion has got to be stopped! Whites are the true minority, worldwide, by a wide margin. Blacks are only “minorities” here in our white nations, and we have to be subjected to the demoralizing shit that CH shows here every day. Fucking ridiculous. Almost too much to bear.
I’m not allowed to have a country of my own, even though my ancestors helped build one. The “greatest generation” and boomers really fucked up at an immeasurably high level, if you stop to think about it.
I and my generation were robbed of the opportunity to live in the country that our ancestors built for us. And it’s getting worse by the day, going up exponentially.
Fuck this gay earth.
http://www.gm.com/company/aboutGM/diversity.html
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Women are leading the manufacturing at GM? Well, that’s all I need to hear to not buy their shit.
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They should have dropped the ‘i’ from Buick College.
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I believe that mudsharking is less of a sin in Yurop. Not sure though.
People see less of darkie failure over here.
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Tolerance for this sort of thing will end when shrinking white populations start making the K-shift.
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Real talk right there.
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As in the U.S. it differs between places, and differs even between neighborhoods in the same city. And between individuals.
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One thing that does not change: Mudsharks are invariably the dregs of White society, beastly waddling freaks, shrieking obscenities at their mutant spawn.
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An acquaintance from Bulgaria shared that a schoolmate abroad elsewhere in Europe briefly married an African and bore his child before returning home for family support. The child is teased and belittled by the other children AND ADULTS relentlessly and mercilessly, and no man in the village will speak with her. I imagine such natural responses are muted as one moves farther west towards the Atlantic, but the underlying opinion remains despite anti-racism speech restrictions.
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The East Europeans were already occupied and controlled, so there was no need to brainwash them with cultural Marxism to control them. They just got to live in the dirt that was economic Marxism, with lakes poisoned and forests dying and gangsters an integral part of the system. While the West got the blessings of a normal economy, but then … you know. Hard to say which side got the worst deal.
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I was listening to a NPR interview (yeah, I know…) about a Jew, Julius Rosenwald, who founded several schools for black children in the former Confederacy (and not elsewhere?). There was a brief discussion of Jew-Black (LOL) alliance in that conversation. But what struck me was the plain hate and strategic undermining of the people who founded the Confederacy and rebelled against the masters of industry in the northern states.
The change funded by Rosenwald’s profits from selling crap to Americans in the Sears catalog. If you want a greater caution against falling prey to usury that Sears, it can’t be found. The Wikipedia summary is surprisingly revealing.
“In 1893, Richard Sears and Alvah C. Roebuck renamed their watch company Sears, Roebuck & Company and began to diversify. Rosenwald and Weil was a principal supplier of men’s clothing for Sears, Roebuck. The volumes of unsold merchandise caused by the Panic of 1893 and his declining health led Roebuck to leave the company. He placed his interest in the company in the hands of Sears who, in turn, offered that half of the company to Chicago businessman Aaron Nusbaum, who in turn brought in his brother-in-law Julius Rosenwald, TO WHOME SEARS OWED MONEY.” [Emphasis mine.]
I met with a potential client for whom I would obliged to expand my payroll to complete his work. Among many things the man proposed was that he pay me a large retainer so that I could capitalize my business for the effort. What any straight-thinking man will recognize is that accepting such a retainer would amount to a debt to be paid with labor – which is indenture without the protection of laws for indentured men. Much of our history (and here I mean the history of the men that founded the Confederacy and their descendants] is the story of resisting schemes to enslave us. What is better for a “white southern man”: owning slaves? No. It is sufficient freedom from obligations he doesn’t choose to enable him to choose obligations. No man is obliged to own another man; while that property right may include the labor of another man, it also carries the burden of his care and support. The “Jew” [and here I mean not a genetic heritage but an evil philosophy masquerading as a religion and ethnic group] seeks to enslave others to his will by weaving a web of obligations to the Jew by his victims. The most pernicious of these obligations is debt, but debts take many forms, including “moral duty,” “social justice,” “equity,” “fairness,” and other flowery language with meanings exactly opposed to the plain language in which they are written. So, Sears founded a company built in part on debt, and when he was unable to discharge that debt, was obliged to include his creditor into his business. That man, in turn, used the funds of Sears’ business to fund schools to promote (meaning: advance) an ethnic minority against a hated enemy in a defeated nation, as well as get his (Rosenwald’s) wares (off-the-rack un-tailored ill-fitted clothing) to a rural American and non-Jewish population at a substantial profit.
1893: Sears’ catalog sells only watches.
1895: Sears’ partners with his creditor, Rosenwald, a clothier manufacturing garments inferior, but cheaper, than the market standard.
1897: Sears’ catalog includes garments.
Rosenwald’s life story and the history related to his life are a good starting point for people interested in how such things get started in the USA, and how our current cultural and economic situation became what it is.
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I believe that mudsharking is less of a sin in Yurop. Not sure though.
That’s my impression. Doutzen Kroes and Adriana Sklenarikova are the other supermodel mudsharks I know of.
My guess is it’s due to some novelty effect, although I think it’s becoming more common over here in the States too.
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Doutzen Kroes being a coal burner is….hardcore.
She also stayed up all night when Obama got elected.
Is she good genetic stock or bad? Not so easy to determine in this light.
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Explain to me why in god’s fuck should any white person care about any kind of health issues in Africa? (rhetorical)
fuck this jew earth. every single thing the left has created is massively wrong at an infinite level. Not even being “cruel” (as a libtard would say) — it is simply nature and natural for one tribe to care only about its own. Even Disney nature movies show this (e.g., the one about chimpanzees shows warring between rival troupes over territory). Other libtard movies admit that the sainted “native americans” were busy warring with each other and eating each other and raping rival tribes’ women when the white man arrived in boats.
Africa is simply an easy question. Luckly, it is a whole ‘other continent far far away from North America, and it’s people cannot invent a wheel or written language, let alone a boat or airplane that can cross the ocean. And we don’t need jew diamonds or anything else they can trade (we don’t need them for food or anything else necessary for survival). So we don’t need to worry about any aspect of Africa, at all. We should simply pretend that Africa does not exist — no boats or planes in or out (other than to monitor that communists are not using their land to set up spy operations or whatever).
And this MSM Cathedral bullshit has this beautiful white model advertising for this shit
Why would we want to promote an added survival rate to an already way overpopulated continent of useless consumers who only take but never produce or give?
We wouldn’t. It’s very simple.
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Dat jaw tho
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when will “fashion’s leading women” join the fight against the daily MASSIVELY CRUEL abuse that is inflicted in dozens of ways, every day, on white beta men in North America and Europe, starting with slavery for every no-fault divorced member of this sub-class? Their men, their would be husbands, fathers, and brothers.
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We should simply pretend that Africa does not exist — no boats or planes in or out (other than to monitor that communists are not using their land to set up spy operations or whatever).
I’m down with that. “Here Be Dragons”.
If we survive this mess, I can imagine European statesmen placing powerful oaths on each other not to ever seek out anything whatsoever to do with certain parts of the globe… namely, Africa and the Middle East. I wouldn’t blame them one bit.
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There really aren’t that many blacks in Europe – about 3% of the UK population for instance. Black men, unless they’re a Footballer or Boxer i.e a few dozen individuals, simply don’t have any status or money and are avoided by whites.
I work in IT and there are a couple of actual African guys in my department who I get along with pretty well – helps that I worked in Africa for a year some time ago. They really don’t care for American or Caribbean blacks or Nigerians.
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“you shouldn’t put a number on women” “every woman is a 10”
Jesus, make up your mind bitch
[CH: that’s a woman for ya. contradictory incoherent thoughts don’t slow her down at all.]
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10 is a feeling, not a number.
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Damn, how I hate equalism. (As CH has renamed egalitarianism for our age.) People saying ridiculous feel-good things that they know are not true, and everyone has to pretend it’s true just to flatter everyone. That’s the age of democracy. Politicians have to do that to get votes, and so it starts at the top, spreads through the schools and to everywhere.
And so, of course, comes the conclusion: if everyone is equally great in every way, but some are still less successful in love live or career or art or elsewhere … that must be because of oppression. Carried out by the capitalists, the sexists, the racists, etc. There can be no other explanation, because inequality is ruled out.
Here are true equalist arguments:
“Beauty standards are invented by the capitalists to sell!”
Why would they be? To sell what?
“Uh…Miss Universe is sponsored by the make-up industry, so that’s how they sell!”
Why would the make-up industry need Miss Universe to sell? If they can so easily shape people’s opinions of what’s beautiful, they could just make everyone obsess over faces completely plastered with make-up. That would sell more product. The body would be inconsequential. Hell, they could invent a belief that hands are only beautiful if they are painted.
“Uh…they want people to think thin is beautiful so they’ll sell diet products!”
The diet industry is recent, thinness as an ideal is much older. The diet industry is owned by food companies that would make much, much more money from making people believe that obesity is beautiful. And a company selling “wholesome grains” cannot compete with McDonald’s, Burger King and Coca-Cola when it comes to money. If we can be made to believe anything is beautiful simply by watching TV commercials, the fast-food industry would make people believe obesity is beautiful. But they don’t. They have slim people in their ads. Because they have to ACCEPT the beauty standard set by nature, since they cannot CHANGE it.
A short response shows the absurdity in the equalist claims about “no such thing as beauty” and “commercials make us think thin is beautiful to sell products”. But the equalists never think that far. It would be uncomfortable.
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Diet industry is about making people fat so the industry can continue. Damn near perpetual at this point.
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One hot order of fried ice, please, delivered to the hamster wheel.
Today I saw a post-wall woman in my hotel wearing a T-shirt that said “Strong is the new pretty”. She was at most a 5 and heading towards a 4, plus with some flab on the triceps she didn’t look al that strong, either.
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“Every woman is a 10” Even the cunt that burned her baby’s face with a hot frying pan because it was screaming?
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“Don’t put a number on women” — says the sex that immediately rules out men under the number 6’0′.
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“Don’t put a number on women” – says the sex that immediately rules out men under the number 6’0′.
+1
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CH, does this qualify for “shit cuckservatives say?”
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Heh
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Melanie Trump says that if she became First Lady, her issue would be “women’s health”.
I’d love to see her do a Trump by telling women to “slim down, don’t be an eyesore”.
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Correction, it would be women’s issues, though mostly health. Trump says:
“She would care very much about women’s issues. We’re talking about mostly medical issues but women’s issues. “
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Klum was never intelligent, diplomatic, or polished; I have been surprised she has retained her career and Q rating over the years. I assume she has a very smart handler/manager that keeps her nose to the grindstone. Klum’s flightiness from famous man to famous man –she has kids by multiple baby daddies–shows just how low class she is, despite the facade of glamour. She’d be shopping at a German WalMart if not for who ever is driving her career.
One example, from years bacK: she went on Conan O’Brien’s old NBC show years ago to promote a swimsuit calender. ( I believe that, hilariously, the entire calendar was her, and her alone). This was when she was trying to transition from “hot girl model” to a higher rank of celebrity.
In the “witty banter” with O’Brien, they talked about how “comfortable” she was with her body, and how she walked around nude at home, even in front of her parents as a teenager, and her parents did so in front of her. O’Brien made a joke about how horrifyingly weird that was, and Klum’s response was unplanned, nasty retort of: “Oh, you Americans are so repressed and uptight. You never see your parents naked? Not even coming out of the shower?”
You could see O’Brien actually get upset at this, because Klum was not-jokingly insulting Americans as a whole for not being as weird as Klum. So O’Brien next pulled out her calendar–the one she was promoting—and told her: “You know, your calendar literally gets some dates wrong” and proceeded to point out that her cheap, chintzy calendar put holidays on the wrong days.
Klum freaked out at this, and immediately disclaimed: “oh I was only in charge of the photos, not the date part!”
It’s one of the few times I can say that a lefty-hack-beta actually sacked up and defended America from the insults from a “cool European.” One of the few times I actually can think of that I liked what O’Brien did.
Late Night Calendar rape!
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I doubt Heidi is actually stupid.
Also, good Job by Conan for sacking up.
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I think she is genuinely low IQ. From that little story, we know her parents enacted some sort of low-level child abuse by exposing her to sexually-mature nudity. Such a mixed message at home versus in the world at large would warp a mind.
And her mudsharking is another indicator; women who not only go with blacks, but also advertise it, are generally low IQ.
I think one or both of her parents may have guided her career to this point. Since they manipulated her as youth through low-level abuse, they would be the likely culprits, just as I believe Lena Dunham’s parents run her career, not her, as they, too engaged in and encouraged (or at least did not discourage) abuse of their daughters.
Svengali rape!
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Nudity isn’t sex bro.
Also, Germany has a strong nudist streak.
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Exposing anyone to sexual imagery without their preparation/consent is considered a crime in most places. Flashers are punished, as are anyone who exposes people to pornographic movies.
Yes, graphic nudity is sexual imagery. If you show a child pictures of nude men and women, you can be punished under sex crime laws. Forcing someone to go to a nude beach is a crime–not just the kidnapping, but the imagery is considered sexually disturbing if not welcomed.
At the risk of sounding like a lefty, consent matters.
By her story, Klum was a teenager viewing this, and her parents were viewing her. Meaning her adult parents were viewing the sexually mature body of a teen girl. That’s warped. Not Lena Dunham molesting-my-sister warped, but warped nonetheless.
The idea that “Germany has a strong nudist streak” is like saying that “Americans have no problem discussing income” or “Europeans think we’re prudes because Americans get scandalized by sex.” It’s something said by foreigners who take a tiny percentage of the a population’s behavior and extrapolate it without any proof.
Germans don’t walk the streets naked, just like Americans don’t talk about how much money they make at cocktail parties and Europeans are scandalized by tittivating sex stories with politicians and celebrities. There’s propriety. They may go to a nude beach more often than Americans, but that’s not the same as walking around your private home with your sexually mature teenage daughter around with your boner hanging out.
Anyway, most of Klum’s actions in public speak to her lower IQ. Unless on a script, she comes off crass and vulgar. Her entire reaction to Trump’s words confirm this: she’s flying off the handle, mumbling contradictory responses, and getting genuinely angry as if this is a 1990s Jenny Jones Show and she’s trying to show that “I’m Still All That And A Bag of Chips, Hater!”
So she’s a Walmart momma. Not smart enough to have gotten this far on her own. Unlike say a Kathy Ireland—who runs her own corporate empire—-Klum’s got a handler who keeps her from bottoming out. Mother or father, or perhaps a smart sibling who parlayed their sister’s easy vajajay into fame and fortune.
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Ho is correct, Germans are into all kinds of naturalism like nudity, vegatarianisms, rolfing… and sex with blacks.
they see blacks as primitive and therefore nature people.
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Jared Fogle Rape!
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She’s a mudshark, she is actually stupid.
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From that little story, we know her parents enacted some sort of low-level child abuse by exposing her to sexually-mature nudity.
True, whorefinder. And if you think about it: This is really about an adult man who wanted to see his teenage daughter naked. Who knows what else was going on.
Nudity isn’t sex bro.
Also, Germany has a strong nudist streak.
Well, we know ho is a filthy drug liberal, and now he is also telling lies about Germans. ’cause he saw something on a website! And there’s German porn!
If you think Germans accept the idea of families with teenage daughters in them walking around naked at home, any more than Americans do, then you’re fucking stupid.
Ho is correct, Germans are into all kinds of naturalism like nudity, vegatarianisms, rolfing… and sex with blacks.
Yet more proof that “whiteboy” is another cover for thwack/James “Blonde” (learn to spell that word when it’s for men, idiot)
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dude?
what is your problem?
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I essentially agree with whorefinder. While I have no strong view on Heidi’s intelligence in “pure” IQ terms, whatever intelligence she has is certainly tainted by her cheap character. It’s only utilitarian and trivial intelligence, business streetsmarts at best, but nothing more. In terms of character by contrast Heidi basically is a Walmart momma who was only spared that fate because she happened to be good-looking — in a rather conventional way, I should add. Says this German.
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“…and how she walked around nude at home, even in front of her parents as a teenager, and her parents did so in front of her.”
That’s actually fairly common in Northern Europe – not the UK. It can be a shock to go the beach in France or Germany and see fat, naked people all around. They also have mixed changing rooms in gyms and swimming pools.
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That’s actually fairly common in Northern Europe – not the UK.
LOL
No. It’s not “fairly common”. Any family that walked around naked at home would be considered a freak show, just like in the U.S.
As for people being naked, nice little lie there. Some women can be TOPLESS, but not naked. Nudist beaches are just as rare as in the U.S.
Martin, we know you’re a neocon lover, and now you reveal even more of your stupidity. Unless you are just outright lying.
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“No. It’s not “fairly common”. Any family that walked around naked at home would be considered a freak show, just like in the U.S.”
Clearly you’re not a regular visitor to Europe.
“As for people being naked, nice little lie there.”
Again, you’re clearly not a regular visitor to Europe. When I say naked, I mean naked not topless.
“Martin, we know you’re a neocon lover..”
Au contraire.
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These aren’t beaches, these are in the home, and as a teenager, not when she was like 2 years old. Stop thinking about some stereotype you heard about “Europe” from some SWPL fag trying to pretend that everything was better in Europe.
This is creepy, plain and simple. Which explains a lot about this old mudshark.
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“Stop thinking about some stereotype you heard about “Europe” from some SWPL fag trying to pretend that everything was better in Europe.”
Ok Whorefinder, you’re here, so you’re probably a decent guy on the right side of history but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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It is NOT fairly common in Northern Europe, for fuck sake! If you really really really try hard you might be able to locate such a beach somewhere. But that’s about as far as it goes.
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CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/19/politics/2016-poll-hillary-clinton-joe-biden-bernie-sanders/index.html
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When I saw the Klum interview with Howie and the other woman, I thought of this.
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Apparently, Donald Trump’s comment about Klum was done years ago? That’s conveniently lost in the news flow. The media bosses will dig up anything about a target, no matter how long ago. But when it comes to their favored stooges, it’s “That’s irrelevant, that’s in the past”. Note how they never mention that ALL THREE of Jeb Bush’s Mestizo children are criminals. Imagine if Trump’s children were criminals, what they would write, no matter how many years had past.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/donald-trump-murdoch-ailes-nbc-816131
“Did you hear from Heidi Klum after the comment about her not being a ’10’ anymore?”
No, I haven’t. I mean, I know her, but I haven’t.
“Do you feel like you can be someone who talks about women’s looks and not be sexist?”
First of all, this was all done years ago. This was taken off the Howard Stern show. When you’re with Howard, you’re talking. I never intended to be running for president. You’re talking, you’re having fun, you’re a big real estate developer and a big businessman and what you say doesn’t matter. Yet of course what I say is nothing compared to what some other people say, including Megyn Kelly — you heard about that? That came out last week. [Kelly discussed her sex life on the show in 2010.] That’s where Maureen got that. I didn’t tell this to Maureen. She even got the Heidi Klum from Howard. So it makes more sense when you hear it that way. And the thing with Halle Berry, that’s all Howard.
“You just got drawn into this stuff?”
Well, you do. It’s always very dangerous to do Howard because you’re all having a great time and you’re laughing and you get 19 calls from reporters saying, “Is it true that you said this?” But in those days, there weren’t any calls because I was a real estate guy and nobody cared. They cared, but it was open season. Today I wouldn’t say that. But I thought [Dowd’s] column was terrific because basically what she did is she let people know that I will be really good to women.
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AMOG MASTER CLASS REFRAME : “But I thought [Dowd’s] column was terrific because basically what she did is she let people know that I will be really good to women.”
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Dude, stop trying to tell chicks not to be coalburners. That’s like my ONLY chance of scoring quality (white) p*ssy.
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Just remember to kill both her AND your mongrel spawn when you chimp-out.
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Hell the coalburner might kill her own spawn…
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/local/2015/07/24/j-s-o-working-possible-child-abduction-case/30607457/
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@The Straw
I’ll see you that, and raise you this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/09/houston-police-discover-bodies-of-5-children-3-adults-in-home-after-standoff/
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I never chimp out. That would require a full complement of n*gger genes – remember I’m only half chimp.
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And half Eskimo?
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I don’t think this is really “qualifying”. The press was obviously going to expect her to respond, so she responded. It’s not like she’s texting him lingerie pics, trying to convince him she’s hot. She’s just sticking up for herself in the media. Sticking up for yourself if a guy insults you in public like that isn’t qualifying. It’s just verbal self defense.
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Not being a 10 isn’t an insult.
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She is using the media to defend her image with words. But the facts speak for themselves. In fact in light of the the evidence, The Donald not only gave her a compliment, he also gave her free media attention. She should be more than grateful. Why is it that women would rather try to convince people of their beauty with lies rather than by simply doing what they can to stay beautiful? Answer me that question amy.
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Klum has never been a 10. A 6 face max (personally would say a 5) but definitely a very nice body in her prime..an 8. Which would average her total at 7. She looks good for her age but you simply can’t be a 10 at 42.
Without make up and photoshop
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Might help explain her mudsharking — she was insecure about how she looked without the magic of airbrushing.
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Klum has never been a 10
Isn’t it odd how the magazines make their lists of “Top 20/50/100 Most Sexy/Beautiful This Year” and you can always find more attractive girls at the nearest high school or college?
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That always pissed me off. People are saying “ahhh Jennifer Aniston is sooo hot” when there are so many 21 year olds around me hotter than she is
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Cosign.
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Absolutely!! +100
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Thanks for this, Ace. Photos like these are a big help when my wife starts that bullshit about being old or complaining about baby stretch marks.
That, and my usual reply: “Convincing me you’re worn-out and need replacing isn’t in your interest, honey. Compensate instead.”
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Hell, the bish isn’t even a blonde. lzozlzozlozlozlozlozlo
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the best blondes have always been brunettes.
thanks for playing
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Sez you, t-h-w-a-c-k… dumbass.
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Her face without make up is quite ordinary, I had no idea she was that ordinary.
And the topless photos? remove the breasts and she has man’s hips.
Where are the female curves???
If her hips or her butt excites you, you might be gay, she has the body of a man on the above photos ( minus the breasts)
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What is so telling to most neutral-minded observers would be the pith of Vox’s and CH’s remarks: that Trump really got under your skin, Heidi. Otherwise why so much flailing & exertion? People in general don’t put much effort in proving the obvious. I can imagine a young girl who is empirically a 10 responding with: “whatev” and then promptly moving on.
Heidi Hilarious.
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I think they are all attention whores. Negative attention is attention. Is she really upset or does she want the limelight? I think a woman’s outward indication of emotions are almost always insincere and calculated, however deeply in instinct or the subconscious. I’m not sure an upset woman is really upset any more. No bitch ever leaves status points on the field. For one more day of attention, a woman will put a man away for decades on false rape.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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ABQ
Albuquerque?
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Always Be Qualifying.
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“she’s great, but no longer a 10”.
Very true – although I would have peaked her at a 9 at best. But now, she’s a 3 in the overall attractiveness scale – all of that is due to age, but the drop a woman fast. She should be happy – very few women can claim to have peaked at a 9. But as with all women – facing the truth makes her angry.
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Time. It can tear down a building and destroy a woman’s face..
[CH: damn. she needed to hit the squat rack ten years ago.]
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and tits and ass!
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I hadn’t seen this mudshark in years, she has really aged(milk not wine). I wouldn’t even let her blow me know, damn.
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internet nerd pointy elbows comment: What about the bone thin arms? Saw that on Fallon last night too. Very cute on tv all dolled up. I wonder what her trainer is having her do. squat rack needed indeed.
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[CH: damn. she needed to hit the squat rack ten years ago.]
I was going to write. She could so easily have done squats. She has been in the modeling business so she knows about squats. And lunges and deadlifts for good measure.
She walks around like this, in a thong, knowing she will end up in magazines – she wants her picture taken. Then she could do squats. Does she think she looks good this way, good enough to show? Or doesn’t she care, knowing that her celebrity status will make the paparazzi take her picture anyway?
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That ass–if you can call it that–has been sitting milk too long.
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yeah, that ass is not something she should be showing off. most women in their early 40s don’t look great but come on. she’s been a model her whole life. gets paid to look good. should not look that bad.
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I know I’ve said it before, but the absence of female curves makes her look like a man with breasts.
Her ass and her hips are manly thus very ugly.
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“But now, she’s a 3 in the overall attractiveness scale”
Being this much of a tryhard POS should be grounds for getting instab&.
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True. She’d be perfectly suitable for some old dude into jogging with short shorts.
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@Arbiter Yeah, for a ‘supermodel’ there is no excuse for her lazyiness/stupidity. She could hire a team of fitness trainers to work on that ass of hers.
This is similar, to say, a hot chippendale male stripper who refuses to shave an extremely hairy back.
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Airhead Klum gets indirect dread game. Maybe her new bf will have 2nd thoughts. What quality alpha would put up with this? Why not GFTOW with no kids?
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Some guys will never get it, or its an easy meal ticket for him in some way. I wonder what he does for a living ?
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He is the son from the first wife of NYC’s Julian Schnabel – who is one of the 20th century’s most popular and wealthy artists, now on his 3rd family with his third wife. His dad is also known for dressing mostly in pajamas.
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Schnabel? Sounds Catholic to me.
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Yeah, she’s lost it. Look at those ugly knees.
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Now dont go crazy.
Like most super models Klum has high crural indices which places her in the genetic nobility and separates her from the brittney spears short legged white peasant stock.
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What a low value schmuck. Who would sink their meat in a vaj tinted with soot from all the coal that’s been burned in the thing?
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Apparently he is the drinks waiter.
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Beta.
And judging from his apparent age, one of those dudes who dates older women who were discussed on this blog not long ago.
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The dude”s name is Vito Schnabel. I copy and pasted the following from some Hivemind site:
“He’s an art dealer.
Schnabel curated his first art show at the age of 16.
He is 27.
There is a 13-year difference in age, since Klum is 40, He and Klum reportedly share their interest in art, further erasing the age divide.
He comes from a film background.
His dad is Julian Schnabel, the filmmaker who directed Before Night Falls
Schnabel seems to have more refined tastes, and he likes to hook up with models and MILFs. In addition to Klum, he was linked to supermodel Elle Macpherson, as well as actress Liv Tyler and post-Ashton-Kutcher-era Demi Moore. So he goes for slightly older women, and ones with kids. Oh, they are famous, too. ”
So this guy appears to be a somewhat rare male ‘golddigger’ type cad. He probably didnt get any action from Macpherson or Tyler but the preselection got him in the door to date aging cougar Demi Moore, and now to mudshark Klum.
He must be having some kind of existential crisis between being a newage goldigger cad, and a beta as fuck wrong color new dad.
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I like the sound of that.lol.
Alpha fux, beta bux
meet
Goldigger Cad, wrong color Dad.
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Just a part of making a living for that golddigger cad.
As an art dealer, this guy needs to be around rich people & preferably famous ones. These wealthy celebs can buy whatever pretentious garbage he is hawking and/or give it some cachet.
He offers nothing that young, prime-of-life female celebs can’t get from dozens of more impressive men. But washed-up former hotties can brandish him as proof they’ve still got sex appeal.
So these wall-crashers get some young arm candy to stave off their depressing reality a moment longer & he can lure suckers to his overpriced scribbles emporium shows by promising (fading) star power.
So he’s kind of like a roundabout gigolo.
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‘Slightly older’? That guy is more like a hard core archeologist, descending again and again into the crypts under Vogue to see what can be retrieved from the dark silent halls a thousand years old. (“Ach nein! Kohlbrenner!”)
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“That guy is more like a hard core archeologist, ”
For the win.
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“He and Klum reportedly share their interest in art, further erasing the age divide.”
Oh, that’s funny.
“Common interests” is always in lists for What Makes a Good Relationship because it’s easy to write, and the editor demands twenty different factors. But in real life? Sure, it’s fun if you have the same hobby, but it’s not at all required. You’ll see enough of each other anyway. No guy ever thought “She has this and this and this against her, BUT she has the same hobby as me so that’s okay.” The hobby has no weight in the calculation.
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Anthropologist… give artifacts that can’t walk a break.
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Yummy mummy between boyfriends
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Noah complex. WHat a freaking strange photo.
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@Hosswire – Excellent insight. He is the cart before the horse example (has the job/status already). As opposed to the usual golddigger cad who, for example, marries the boss’s ugly or aging daughter.
I can see alot of these golddigger cad types appearing in the near future now that women are so financially independent.
Other golddigger cad / cougar hunter examples would be (this is assuming they are not optionless betas):
3rd world dudes trying to get into the 1st world via green card marriage.
Areas like the arctic where men/women ratios are drastically skewed out of whack.
Male actors starting out, getting a foothold in Hollywood.
more?
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Tattoo ruins it all…..hahaha…look at her fucking kids.
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Geez, none of those three niglets look even remotely part white.
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How could a beautiful supermodel spawn such hideous looking brats? Oh, wait.
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All women are tens. Right and if that was true and what you actually believe you would have not strived to stay thin and all your fellow models would have been fat fucking pigs. That fame and fortune would not have fallen in your lap and you would be a trailer dwelling nothing.
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Have you seen this list of the top 5 questions Google users search for relating to each candidate?
https://www.google.com/trends/story/c5c95ce9-6b74-4939-b112-57e405ef0109
Trump’s are hilarious. They read like list of questions women would ask him on a first date:
1) How old is Donald Trump?
2) How tall is Donald Trump?
3) What is Donald Trump’s net worth?
4) Is Donald Trump married?
5) Who is Donald Trump?
Game, recognized?
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That’s surely more a compliment. Klum’s general public image and such does concern her appearance, in addition to which the statement wasn’t necessarily made on a personal level but in other capacities, so it’s not that surprising that she would choose to respond. What’s more surprising is that in her time with other females she hasn’t come across many whom she wouldn’t classify as a 10. A generic piece of rhetoric doesn’t in this case seem to indicate qualifying, rather a response to an overall statement which if you recall was slightly controversial and made in a fairly public context during a campaign period, so to speak, it comes off as more of a response to the public than otherwise. She might be a very active lesbian though so stay clear.
That said, Heidi Klum isn’t a 10.
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too bad; the fact you guys are even discussing her is proof of her greater SMV.
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People used to dismiss this as mere NAH-ZEE propaganda.
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Then again, I guess it should be dismissed… the spade is wearing a suit and the blonde looks ashamed.
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http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/aug/19/madame-tussauds-nicki-minaj-display-waxwork
Nicki Minaj rape?
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Why do they put that prostitute in Maddam Tussaud’s? This is ridiculous. She has done nothing to deserve being there. Singing “Anaconda”? That’s one song, and it’s not good. And she can’t sing.
Not only does she lack any accomplishments, she is also ugly. She only gets famous because she is a light-skinned Black with a steatopygic ass. Blacks are always looking for someone with a big ass, who doesn’t otherwise look Black. That is why the media owners could make Jennifer Lopez famous, and follow up with Kim Kardashian.
This order of things is perfect for light-skinned Blacks and Latinos and Central Asians like the Armenian Kardashian. Not White, so there’s that coveted propaganda factor, but not (too) Black either which usually doesn’t work no matter how much the media owners wish it would.
By the way, I wonder how much silicon Minaj put in those buttocks.
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“but not (too) Black”
Good point. Reminds me years ago when I was watching Coming to America. Eddie is attracted to the light-skinned daughter and the darker-skinned daughter complains that no guys go after her once she finds out that Akeem likes her sister.
And this film was from the late 80s. If they did a remake, it’d be an EBT guy wooing a rich white girl. Hmm…time to polish off the old typewriter.
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Re: Staret’s post on character deficiency
After “eskimo” and “cuckservative”, do we add “bike thieves” (bike snatchers?, bike nappers?) to the CH dictionary?
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heidi looks pretty good for a mudshark
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lolelel srry heidi butt no srry, u buttoxed w/ the black & we dont want u back lolzlzlzz
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Trump standing strong as usual.
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