Or, more precisely, less than nothing. She became unhappier.
The husband bent over backwards to fulfill his wife’s every demand, and the result is tragicomically predictable: gina tingles extinguished.
For the past year or so, my husband has ceased to be able to turn me on, to the point where I am almost repulsed by our lovemaking. Recently, I broke down and told him everything. Since then, he has done everything in his power to get us back on track. The problem is now me! Even though this is all I’ve wanted, I can’t bear to be touched in certain areas.
Never mind the couples therapist answer. As per usual for the quality of output typical of this field of inquiry, it’s garbage. A commenter’s sarcastic jab gets it more right: “I love you, but I’m not in love with you.”
Ok, just to torture the CH reading audience, here’s a sample of the couples therapist’s answer (a woman, natch):
This “hot potato” syndrome is not uncommon: one partner has an issue, but once he throws it off, the other catches something too hot to handle. In many ways, it is a good thing that your husband is responding so energetically to your plea for change, and you did an excellent job of moving beyond what had become a long-term impasse.
Yes, clearly what the husband needs to do is more of what didn’t work at all.
For example, you say you don’t like to be touched in certain places, so the exact details of this must be gently communicated to him, and he needs to be shown exactly what you would prefer.
As the feminist sages tell us, women are really turned on by having to read an instruction manual to their men on the proper use of their bodies during lovemaking.
You have done very well so far – be brave enough to address the next steps, which are largely about better communication.
“Better communication” to solve all your relationship problems! Empty platitude, the stock in trade of marriage counselors everywhere. The unhappy wife wrote to the worse-than-useless psychotherapist shell entity informing her STRAIGHT UP that she told her husband everything, and he did everything he could to meet her demands. What part of that suggests this relationship needs to be addressed with “better communication”? Sounds like they were communicating their marriage to an early bed death!
I shouldn’t be surprised anymore, but the alacrity with which marriage and couples counselors and creeeeeeedentialed “psychotherapists” resort to droning bromides devoid of any explicit advice that might prove useful to saving relationships but carries the baggage of gently disturbing the gentle egos of gentle wives with gently feminist views about the moral supremacy of the female prerogative and the assumption of the male’s automatic fault in any scenario stuns even experienced observers of the junk therapist scene such as yours truly.
This couple deserve better advice than what a one Pamela Stephenson Connolly can offer them. CH to the rescue…
To the wife: First, make sure it isn’t some serious physiological issue, like CVD or something that could affect your sexual response. For that, see a medical doctor, i.e. a real doctor. But, odds are it isn’t a medical problem.
The way to bet is that your husband is a beta male — that is, dependable, reliable, generous, deferential… and utterly unsexy — and that his beta maleness got worse the longer your marriage went on. It’s not uncommon for men to get soft in body and attitude once they’ve settled into the marital comfort zone.
If this is the cause of your turtling sexuality, I’m afraid anything you do could only make matters worse. This is because there is a natural disconnect in your female brain between what actually turns you on and what you think SHOULD turn you on. You will, therefore, be unable to give your husband any advice that would work.
To the husband: STOP doing what you’re doing, and do the opposite. Instead of appeasing your wife, ask her to do things for you. No, DEMAND of her those things. Stop supplicating, and instead assume that you are God’s gift to womankind and can do no wrong. Apologize for nothing, make no excuses for her. Be unpredictable. Leave her for a spell, preferably unannounced. Tease her, poke fun at her, squeeze her hip fat with a disapproving glare, flirt with other women as she watches. In sum, initialize the first sequences of Dread Game.
After a few weeks of this wifely romantic reprogramming, grab her when the mood hits you, and start tearing off her clothes, oblivious to her mewls of protest. If your psychological preparations have been successful, she will relent and shake off an orgasm like a dog shitting a peach pit.
If not, consider cutting her loose and saving your newfound self-confidence for another woman who will submit to your love in the way every man secretly desires a woman to do. Even the effete hipster manlets.

“After a few weeks of this wifely romantic reprogramming, grab her when the mood hits you, and start tearing off her clothes, oblivious to her mewls of protest. ”
Da GBFM would advise against this almost as much as da GBFM would advise against getting married in this present era.
She may have been programmed by the State to call the police at a point so that the State can seize the man’s assets for rightfully seizing his wife’s ass.
If this went to court, and she stated that he started tearing off her clothes “oblivious to her mewls of protest,” he could be deemed a rapist in our present day and age.
Such are the prombelems iwth modenr marriaggsezlzlozozozozol
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But can I grab someone else’s wife if she thinks I’m hotlololzolzol
Of course, I’ll get a signed consent form to protect against rapecusations.
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“shake off an orgasm like a dog shitting a peach pit”. The allegory of the day. Thanks.
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Ha! I came down here just to comment on that line. I burst out laughing in the middle of my office. Poetic.
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This is why I believe a man should never tell his girl about any red pill stuff he is doing. Talking about it is beta. Just doing it is alpha.
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There’s a reason for the first AND second rules of Fight Club.
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the first rule of eskimoesz is there are no eskimoeslozozolzo
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This one made me literally lol
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Man Gives His Unhappy Wife Everything She Asks For, And This Is What Happened Next

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Man Gives His Unhappy Wife Everything She Asks For, And This Is What Happened Next
As I said on the other thread, Sasha and Malia will be after any white dude who even remotely reminds them of Trump because, “F*ck You, Dad.”
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Um, but what white man anywhere would want those two fugly chimpettes? And they apparently inherited The First Middle Linebacker’s charm along with her tough, handsome features and masculine shoulders.
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Boehner wife and daughters.
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+1
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“This is why I believe a man should never tell his girl about any red pill stuff he is doing. Talking about it is beta. Just doing it is alpha.”
If you talk about it, she’ll feel manipulated and say it’s creepy and weird, and her vaj will shut tighter than a 10-year-old virgin (these days, it had to be said). And if you just do it w/o all the talkity-talk, she’ll be attracted to you.
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I should say, if you do it w/o all the talking-talk, she’ll love it, and not find it creepy or weird or manipulative in the least, even though you’re doing the same dam thing.
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Prior to red pill, I’d never consider flirting with other ladies. Now, I do so freely and give no F#cks about it. I’d worry about what she thought, and I’d try do do shit to not get her made. face/palm Now any longer.
Case in point (this has been in mod hell for 4 days, so I’ll try again), I do stuff like this now:
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Saw a hot girl at the intersection as I was walking up to it about 30 feet away. Instant blue pill beta pops into my head telling me to take the adjacent cross road at the intersection so I didn’t have to stand next to a hot girl and worry about opening her. My alpha slaps the beta and I decide I’ll go next to her and open at all costs. I see she’s holding a cup of liquid that looked just like beer. When I got up to her, I said, “That looks like beer you’re drinking.” She laughs and qualifies about it being tea.” (She was about 45 instead of the 25 I thought she was, but still quite hot) I say, “Well, as long as these lights take here, you’ll need a beer for the wait.” (they are long as F#ck lights). “She replies, “Yeah they are terrible and with all this construction going on, it’s even worse.” I put up my hands and say, “Whoo, whoo, I’m in construction (I lied but who cares).” She backpeddles, “Oh, I didn’t mean to offend.” I told her I was just messing, then said, “Okay, ready to run this red light? Let’s go.” And she walks with me not waiting for the crosswalk signal to change. I look over to the other side and I see this young hot blonde giving me the grin that made me think she heard the whole interaction and loved it. When we reached the sidewalk I said, “Well it was nice talking to you; I’m going this way.” (I thought she was continuing on straight. She says, “I’m following you that way too.” I said,”Oh, you’re coming to [BAR NAME] with me. Excellent!” She replies, “Oh, I couldn’t. I haven’t been their in ages.” At that point, the beta popped back in and I said, “okay then, nice talking to you.”
Should have asked for her name and told her to call me when she changes her mind.
I had such a good time though. It’s like Neo in the Matrix when he just knew he would succeed in attacking the police station to save Morpheus. I just knew anything I said when I was in that zone would work. If I ever see that woman again, I know it’s on. Game is awesome. Thank you to everyone here!!!
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Nice.
Sounds like a token objection on her part you could have overcome with a little kino leading. “Cmon. It will be fun and I hate drinking alone” or More of a neg/challenge “cmon you’re not that old you stop having a little fun now are you? I hate drinking alone.” both with a little hand on arm guidance.
Then if she demures you are sure to get her number as a fall back for “another time”…
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@Sentient, you’re a smooth mojo, man. Thanks for the polish. A virtual tip of the drink your way!
Yeah, that’s the thing. I knew I could have done exactly that. Kicking myself. Oddly, MILFs are crossing my path lately. Met one on Friday who is an engineer with a huge natural rack. Got that number – just in case.
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Here is what more guys need to do – think past the opener three steps before you open! Like don’t just wing a situational opener and then be like Oh shit this is hooking, now what?!? Prepare for success in advance.
The structures are easy to game plan. Basic decision tree stuff (if yes then y if no then z) combined with being situationally aware (logistics – your place, car, nearest coffee, nearest food, nearest drink)… Know your surroundings, spot the windows and push the interactions expecting the outcome… this mindset will take you far.
Guys get tripped up because they can’t believe how much attraction you can spike so quickly with just a few sentences and good alpha postures, eye game. So they are prepared to just “open” with whatever topical thing they can say and expect to get blown out and just move on… If you can give some thought to common situations in advance, you can go much further.
That’s why Myster Method is method, it’s a framework, same with the RSD stuff… it’s aligned toward the ultimate goal of PiV, then you can de-escalate down much eaiser to number day 2’s etc. if you have to.
Have fun!
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@newly – a good memory of an instadate with tight time constraints https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/comment-of-the-week-the-danger-of-the-traumatized-woman/#comment-650684
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@Sentient, agreed about thinking about the steps ahead. In fact, I remembered something you said a while back that came up in the convo with the latest MILF. She eventually asked about my old lady. I told her she had a great ass, just lost her mojo. Her reaction was what you’d expect. Thanks.
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@newly
“Oddly milfs are crossing my path lately”
And
“I knew anything i would say when i was in that zone would work”
Not odd. When you are in “state” or have a vibe going you are radiating raw sexual subcomms. Brings them out of the woodwork and onto your radar. State is the most powerful thing out there because it is communicating nonverbally on the “female subcomm” channel as HABD would say. It’s the most powerul game you can run and they fall right into it because so few times does a guy come across like this to them.
It taps in to the number one female fantasy of all time – for her to be SWEPT off of her feet by a mystery fantasy guy. Play right into that fantasy…
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@Sentient, subcomms for the win. Jesus, they all must sense it then. Same thing happened today at lunch with this hot mother and her two teens. She kept starring at me and smiling and bouncing all around in her tight jeans. Didn’t see a ring. Her kids were generally having a good time, and they all looked like that really happy family.. I asked them if they were family. They said they were. I said, “You guys look like you have fun together as a family. Mom says, “And we just got back from the dentist’s office ironically.” I said, “Really, can I have his number?” She laughed. Didn’t pursue any further.
It’s like all these women are suddenly Neo of the Matrix, and I’m the only one in the crowd that shows up as zeros and ones. Fantastic feeling lately.
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@Sentient, missed that insta-date comment of yours. Solid stuff. Speaking of songs, I can’t wait to break out some Justin Timberlake lyrics when in state and flirting with a girl and she’s offering token resistance:
Me:”Don’t act like it’s a bad thing to fall in love with me. You may F around and find your dreams come true with me. Spend all your time and your money just to find out that my love is free. So don’t act like it’s a bad thing to fall in love with me.” lol
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@newly…. sounds like something a young king would sing. LOL
“We typically experience this type of brain response to biologically rewarding stimuli; things that help us survive, like sex and high fat foods. Modern music does not really help us survive so it is effectively piggy-backing on this reward brain system. This system can also get hijacked by chemicals that modify mood. On the face of it therefore, this part of your brain reacts to sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll.”
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[…] By CH […]
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“shake off an orgasm like a dog shitting a peach pit”. Closest I’ve ever come to LOLing at a blog post. Absolutely hilarious.
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Marriage didn’t die with gay marriage or no-fault divorce. Marriage died when marital rape became a thing.
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Profound.
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Polygamy is next & we knew it all along, university prof acknowledges in NYT http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3328694/posts
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Marraige died when men started actually listening to their wives. Which leads to appeasing them pleasing them supplication.
Your great grandfather had no such problems… It wasnt because he could fall back on any statutes or laws.
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There’s an excellent RP commenter on there casting his pearls before the Guardianista swine
https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/2599178
Pamela Stephenson Connolly was every Brit schoolboys dream girl – 35 years ago when she was Pamela Stephenson
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/i588274-9/mel-smith-in-pictures-griff-rhys-jones-rowan-atkinson-pamela-stephenson-and-mel-smith.html#~pmjxCTRnmCbmp8
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I’ve been reading this guy’s posting history in the Guardian. He’s really good at setting out Red Pill arguments without being butthurt and without making it easy to paint him as a woman hater.
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This “hot potato” syndrome is not uncommon: one partner has an issue, but once he throws it off, the other catches something too hot to handle
I got your hot potato right here, girlie-therapist. Stop being such a bitch. Applies to both of them.
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For the women also, ditch the hormonal birth control…seriously.
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The ONLY purpose of Marriage is to HAVE CHILDREN. If your woman is on chemical abortifacients, like The Pill, then you don’t have a “Marriage” – all you have is a devastating legal liability looming over your head, called “Divorce”.
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Edit – the only purpose of marriage is to have and raise children that YOU want and are willing to pay and sacrifice for right now until they are old.
Absent that desire – you can do serial ltrs and avoid many complications.
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“To the husband: STOP doing what you’re doing, and do the opposite. Instead of appeasing your wife, ask her to do things for you. No, DEMAND of her those things. Stop supplicating, and instead assume that you are God’s gift to womankind and can do no wrong. Apologize for nothing, make no excuses for her. Be unpredictable. Leave her for a spell, preferably unannounced. Tease her, poke fun at her, squeeze her hip fat with a disapproving glare, flirt with other women as she watches. In sum, initialize the first sequences of Dread Game.”
Best paragraph all year. Except that the man should go for Dread Game full stop. And learn to provide comfort to alleviate/mitigate Dread.
See http://therationalmale.com/2015/08/19/peak-hypergamy/comment-page-5/#comment-115462 .
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Be unpredictable. Leave her for a spell, preferably unannounced.
Works like a charm.
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Chutzpah-
Making your wife babysit your hot young g/f’s Oops baby so you can take the g/f to a concert.
Yeah, that just happened. And lest you think “fucking a woman who has another man’s demon spawn is beta,” who said it was someone else’s?
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Go on Raven, go on…
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Lol, who said anything about concerts? Do you have tickets to something interesting? Tell me more.
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I submit this is a very difficult concept to reconcile. That is, the fine line of actually caring and internalizing the concept “when are you going to learn, that appeasement, supplication, deferring take you down a road of gina disgust.”
None of the advice is drilled into our heads; it’s counterintuitive, but a requirement that needs to be internalized. Don’t be a life guard. Your mental point of origin, internal locus of control is paramount for your mental health, self-actualization and growth. It’s sustaining. Yet, all of us who’ve been in a LTR have been there.
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Truth.
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This guys is doing something right
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/08/24/passenger-live-tweets-awkward-midair-breakup/?intcmp=hphz01
Pretty funny.
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Pretty funny. To pass time in Penn Station once I had the girl I was with sit alone in a crowded area and I would come up and “pick her up” with her throwing shit test after shit test at me, and me responding with just completely ridiculous stuff, vacillating between insulting her and making lewd comments about her. Then we’d make out. It was like performance art, lots of fun, people in the area were hanging off our every word, and to her credit, she didn’t break the fourth wall.
As much as people wll say that plane breakup was “awkward” or whatever, it was probably tons more entertainment than the in-flight movie.
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“We took off, they immediately ordered SIX vodkas and Bloody Mary mix for the 50 minute flight and chugged them in silence ****between makeouts**** ”
Yeah, you read that right, he dumps her, and they still make-out, on an airplane full of other passengers, after making an emotional scene. I’ve seen this up close and personal with close acquaintances, so it’s not bullshit.
Caution: if we’re seriously preparing for the coming polygyny explosion in the former USofA, why make a clear-cut break? There must be some modern harem masters qualified to guide us through the script. Still, I’ve yet to see a script (or outline) that adequately includes kids in the mix without a hypocritical religious foundation that collapses under heavy hamster pressure.
Request: it’s time the experienced harem experts start compiling harem advice for the non-religious. Bonus points for successful children.
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There are two sorts of harems:
1. The middle-eastern one, where women laze around eating bon-bons and shopping all day. Only virgins get to enter this category of harem.
2. The african one, where women are self-funded by working in the fields or whatever. Here, nobody cares much what they’re up to. Build your hut with some help from the alpha, take the alpha dick when he comes around and all is fine. Ideal for the strong, self-sufficient office worker by the way. PS: Pay for your own damn STD meds.
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And if a woman asked you to off yourself, don’t freaking do what she tells you to: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2986865/Michelle-Carter-encouraged-Conrad-Roy-III-kill-threaten-it.html
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CH, can you do stock market post? investing, etc
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Buy cheap, sell dear.
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You know, that shiznat does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the prospects of the human race. All it does is re-allocate money from gullible people to Psychopaths. F*ck “Information Theory” and the “Information-Signalling Value of Prices”. It’s just redistribution of wealth from one psychological profile to an entirely different psychological profile.
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Welcome to the fucking game. If not for war, of the fiscal or physical kind, we’d have nothing. Don’t be a commie pussy.
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Stealing money from hard-working honest GULLIBLE Americans and handing it to Psychopaths in the Hedge Fund mafia doesn’t make America greater or richer or more productive or more creative. It simply impoverishes good [but naive] people and makes evil people powerful beyond their wildest fantasies. Since Hedge Funds were invented: Have we sent Apollo astronauts back to the Moon, much less to Mars? Have we wielded a new Fighter Jet? Do we have anything approaching a 600 ship Navy? Have we discovered any pharmaceutical of the stature of Penicillin? Have we seen anything fundamentally different in the Computer bidness? Has anyone written a piece of music worth listening to, a book worth reading, or a movie worth watching? Has median family income risen or collapsed? Are young girls today more prudent and moral and righteous and unplucked than ever before? Are young boys more masculine? Are White Fertility Rates up or down? Do we have ANY LAUNCH VEHICLE AT ALL which can make a successful trip to the International Space Station?!?!? Etc etc etc etc etc…
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Do we even have a CDC which is competent enough to issue Federal guidelines that prevent nurses from catching Ebola from their patients whom ICE & Homeland Security welcomed into this country with open arms?
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Check out Le Fly… Heartisian style market commentary. ibankcoin.com
A snippet from last night
“Let’s try to analyze what will happen over the next 24 hours.
Will China respond to this drop with stimulus?
Maybe.
I don’t think they will lower rates, since that would weaken their piece of shit currency. Do you see the box those dog-eaters have placed themselves in? There is a parable tucked away there, somewhere. Through their greed and avarice to outstrip ancient enemies, like Japan, they’ve dug their own grave. Stupid Hansel and Gretel motherfuckers, with chocolate all of their faces.
Moving on. Will our Fed respond?
Janet Yellen is a moron, obviously.”
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CH, if he is into that kind of stuff, would probably provide good advice.
Here is one of my own predictions; as soon as Obama will be replaced the economy will get better.
Here is one out of many reason why,
Soros a few days ago bought 1.5 million units of Coal stocks, yet a few years ago, with the indirect help of the Obama administration, Soros had almost killed the coal industry.
Coal stocks are now worth 1/10 th or 1/20 th of what they were before Obama got elected.
Obama promised to pretty much put an end to coal use, he came dangerously close to that.
If Soros who helped destroy coal is now buying that much coal stocks, it is because he knows something, he knows as soon as Obama is gone, Coal prices will go up again.
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Canadian Friend, you’re not nearly cynical enough yet. George The Eskimo Soros helped [his fellow Eskimos] to create and fund the environmentalist insanity precisely so as to decimate industries like Big Coal so that the Eskimos could swoop in afterwards and gobble up e.g. the carcass of Big Coal for PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. All of this was planned. None of it was coincidence.
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Al Gore Sr [the original senator from Tennessee] was created by an Eskimo named Armand Hammer, and Al Gore Jr was created by an Eskimo named Martin Peretz.
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This is just spot on. My 15 year marriage had reached that soft comfort zone and several years ago I heard myself uttering “nothing is good enough for you.” That day, I knew I was already dead. The counselors (female) spewed out those nonsensical platitudes that are as wrong as they could be. I got back in rock hard shape and gave my attitude a 180 back to my younger days. I flirted with her hot friends and started doing whatever the fuck I wanted while upping my career and personal goals. When I wanted sex, I took it (consensual, of course). I filed for divorce (after hanging in there for years because of my kids). Some of her last words to me were “I love you and I want you back…” My response was goodbye. My tear through the ripe vagina fields was epic after the papers were signed. Settling in nicely with a much younger and much hotter long legged gal and delivering her regular doses of Alpha dread, keeping her on her pretty painted toes. Keep up the great work Le Chateau. Knowing the rules works wonders for the lives of men.
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> “a much younger and much hotter long legged gal…” Please tell me that you and she are making MOAR WHYTE BABEEZ.
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Oh, wow man. I don’t know. She’s only 35 (divorced one kid); I’m 50 and I’ve made three great boys. On one hand, we have some seriously great genetics, on the other, I think my diaper days are long gone. Odds are seriously stacked against it. Funny, we have joked around about it. Or maybe not so funny…
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Go home tonight and look her straight in the eye, and say, “Stop taking the Pill” [or whatever she’s using]. Or say, “When do you ovulate again? No, seriously, when do you ovulate again?” PS: The act of coitus needs to be 72 hours to 0 hours PRE-ovulation [the sweet spot is probably around 36 hours prior to].
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Jesus Captain O… No F-ing way, but thanks for the laugh! I will say one more thing on this topic though, there may not be a more satisfying feeling than when your bitchy X-wife and her gaggle of aging friends sees you out with a much younger and smoking hot babe with long hair, movie starlet smile and eyes, and long legs in a short-ass dress. Call it ego, schadenfreude, revenge, or whatever you want, but it just feels perfect. Like the smell of napalm in the morning. That event did, however, cause a sharp spike in the “let’s F*** with my X-husband” stock price…
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I love my kid at this age, more than if I were younger. When I pick up a book she smiles a mile wide and crawls to my lap as fast as she can so I read it to her.
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@Aurelius, good work, man. Welcome back. Going down your path right now.
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Thanks man. Best of luck to you. I would not wish the whole divorce process on anyone. Keep your chin up and just get it done. It really does get better. There was no F-ing way I was going to live my life that way. Now, I lost a lot of my shit, but I have half time with my boys and for the most part, I’m having a blast. Younger and hotter girls do wonders for the ego and testosterone levels. I’m hearing reports that my X is really having trouble holding it together. Surely, she has had a few bad dating experiences, knowing her fragile psyche. Sure, it was a mistake to ever get married in hindsight, but I have great sons and it was quite the learning experience.
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I can guarantee that this post will be used as evidence that CH endorses rape.
[CH: don’t see it, but don’t matter. the lying mangina will use any pretext to slander realtalkers.]
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“After a few weeks of this wifely romantic reprogramming, grab her when the mood hits you, and start tearing off her clothes, oblivious to her mewls of protest. If your psychological preparations have been successful, she will relent and shake off an orgasm like a dog shitting a peach pit.”
“WHAT, DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NO MEANS NO, SHITLORD?!”
[CH: “mewls” is artistic interpretation of a woman’s token resistance. at no point is forcible rape condoned. (that’s why there’s the “if your psychological preparations…” qualifier.) it’s one of those gray area pre-coitus gestures that feminists totally miss or discredit, probably because they have no experience enjoying a night of passion with a sexy man.]
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Hey, I know what you mean. But given that these vermin claim Roosh is a “rape apologist” because of one article that was CLEARLY satirical (he wrote that Jezebel were beacons of journalistic excellence), there’s no way that this would be interpreted as any other thing.
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Even if that article I was talking about, the one were a case was made for legalizing rape on private property, was not satire, it would still be retarded to call this pro rape since the justification for that legalization was that it would reduce rape by making women think twice about going home with a stranger.
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Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, was advised when he went to college, to “beware of easy women”.
I’m convinced that if a woman isn’t giving token resistance, she’s not really into the man.
Big difference from my old beta days.
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“I’m convinced that if a woman isn’t giving token resistance, she’s not really into the man.”
That’s not 100% true. One time a girl gave me no resistance at all, in fact escalated the encounter, and for years later would tell other people how incredibly sexy I was, even after she was married with children…. (shakin mah effin haid). But other than her, yeah, they’ve all given token resistance. Good pro tip.
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Roosh then masterfully played the poor little Muslim me meme, which I believe was his intent all along.
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CH, remember that the Hamster can cause a fornicating feminist to forget nocturnal num-nums with a heavenly hunk.
Did you read my Hamster Field Report? A married broad said that she “felt uncomfortable” practicing a dance move with me when we were isolated. Which practices occurred on two different nights. And she wanted a third but I avoided that. And we were having this discussion in that very same practice location which she herself had suggested to have our discussion. Isolated yet again. Somehow she didn’t feel uncomfortable being isolated with me yet again. We could have gone outside and talked on the front porch.
To be fair, I think that this broad is frikkin’ nuts.
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Does dread game even work once she becomes repulsed at the thought of sex? It just seems that at that point she doesnt give a shit whether he stays or goes
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Al contrario, willingness to walk is the ONLY thing that can save deep repulsion like this. It can be dynamite for flipping the script. women always want relationships to end on their own terms. if she gets the inkling that he’s making the choice to leave her, she’ll need “closure”, which opens the door to a re-gaming from a position of strength. Without respect, the pussy cannot lube, and if she knows he’ll walk away, she’ll have more respect for him.
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Dread Game turned 5 years of sexual desert into a solid marriage for me. Mrs. Gamer had been repulsed. I lost 70 lbs and was going out solo and she turned around 180 degrees. Woke me up for sex last night.
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> “Woke me up for sex last night.” ——— ASD pwns the entire internet for Monday Aug 24 2015.
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I bow to your electronic sense of extraordinary sexual perception.
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shartiste is right.
you give it your best shot. dread game does wonders. but there are cases when the relationship is too far gone and she doesn’t give a shit whether you stay or go. that’s when you stop wasting your time and find someone better.
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all learn
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Yes – it works if it can be perceived as real dread and not an act.
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Cats are not dogs remember… why does a cat chase a string – a string it is inured and indifferent to, possibly repulsed by – once the string moves???
Because that is its nature.
Same with women, it’s deeply rooted. They will chase when you move away… it’s a little micro trauma for them, i.e. what is dread – FEAR. The ancient fear of lost resources and lost sperm.
They can’t help it, just like a cat never looks at a wiggling piece of string and yawns and walks away.
Now it should also be noted that you can’t beat the dread drum non stop like Buddy Rich, you will need to eventually show evidence that you are a dynamic passionate and authentic person – thereby communicating your high value this way. and since this will always result in lots of female subcomm visible IOI’s, you wont have to “run” any dread, it will always be there in the background, a low thrum, humming away in the back of her mind.
This is the only place to be in a LTR.
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Dread works in small doses and when you have or are perceived to have higher value.
Ultimatums are not “dread” game. I’m trying dread game on a few girls. It usually works like this: Girl acts up in some way, cancels, something. I make some passing remark….and then go silent. Girl waits for reaction…..nothing, then reacts in some way to get my attention.
Three examples:
Crazy ex…asked her for drinks 6 months ago after she showed some IOI’s. She made up some crap about being busy. I didn’t reply. She knew. Usually I would reply to something…nothing. Since then she has gone out of her way to get my attention in very shameless ways: stalking me, showing up with some guy at a place i’m at, texting some nonsense to me hoping for a reaction, deliberately avoiding wishing me a happy birthday when all her friends have…. My reaction…nothing.
Second: Girl I was banging made some very insulting remarks…I disappeared. Spotted her with another guy once, texted her: “Saw you at x, are you with your brother?” this prompted a ton of texts. I went silent. She practically begged me to meet up. I agreed. She banged me senseless for another month…the dread wore off….and I disappeared.
Third case: GIrl I’ve been banging returns from holidays. She blows me off one week. I don’t respond. She’s going away again. She suddenly starts to ask me what i’m doing all week, comes out to a gig i’m at, starts asking how I know all the girls, bangs me senseless.
In each case….I consciously instilled dread by consciously acting like I didn’t care and that drove the girls crazy prompting them to act in very deliberate ways to get my attention.
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Wala, I keep stepping in piles of Dread. I want to make some money off of dancing, so I look for a student. I find a place where I won’t have to pay a floor fee and it’s empty. Ideal for teaching. My mission, so I don’t tell Mrs. Gamer about it. No need to know.
Then Mrs. Gamer wants to know why I’m going out the following night. A change in my schedule. So I tell her about the lesson and she Cluster B’s. Time for damage control. I give her a few minutes, then go up and hold her as she rants and cries. She has a huge headache. Mrs. Gamer’s blood pressure has been dangerously high recently. From time to time I have to tell her to behave when she tries to maintain her hysterics by going down a different rabbit trail.
Once Mrs. Gamer’s energy level diminishes, I suggest watching some comedy channel. She wants a movie comedy instead. So we watch a movie together, cuddling, sort of. And talk about the movie as it’s playing. Late night fun & games follows.
This a.m., Mrs. Gamer’s blood pressure was back to normal.
The problem was that the dance lesson was a surprise. I should have prepared Mrs. Gamer for it.
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Yeah, you lose weight. Dread. Start going out solo. More Dread. Stop supplicating your woman. Dread. Don’t pay a lot of attention to your woman. More Dread. Start dressing sharp. Dread.
You can turn it around.
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I would add that when you “tear off her clothes” you literally TEAR THEM OFF. Find the seams and rip them to shreds. And don’t apologize. Toss her a twenty for some new threads after fucking her, if she’s being nice.
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A twenty? Do your womyn buy their clothes off of Craigslist? Or at garage sales?
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LOL’ed. A twenty MIGHT buy her a pair of socks.
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I guess that could be a mark of your Apex Alphatude – demanding that an HB9 wear only clothes purchased at garage sales and thrift shops.
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Most clothes nowadays are cheap Chinese crap that fall apart in a couple of years anyway.
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According to the booze swilling sadist, if your wife doesn’t want you anymore, it’s your fault because you “checked out”, whatever the hell that means and you are a fool for thinking that no fault divorce should be abolished, even though it leads to kids being traumatized.
I mean if you’re a supporter of muh freedumbs, that attitude makes sense. Except this guy would ban porn and have johns sent to prison for a long time because they greased the skids with money instead of relying on their charisma to get laid.
Fuck him and guys like him.
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It’s not just swipples that swing that way is what I’m sayin.
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I get greased all the time, with my homie Jamarqious.
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Who said you jamochas can’t keep a man?
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I never have trouble keeping a man (white of course). Or a woman either (again, white, of course, and fat&tatted…)
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Your foster parents dont count.
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was on the train yesterday and i see this girl curled up on her seat, back to me, tapping away furiously on her phone.
i was about 10 feet away so couldn’t read what she was texting, but she was typing full paragraphs, lots of them. walls of text. it took a few minutes for her to think and compose, then after she sent them, she’d stare at the screen eagerly awaiting the responses…..
….which were single liners. every one of them. srsly, the word ratio looked to be around 30:1.
this happened continuously throughout the duration of my 30 minute ride.
game, recognized.
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literally the first game thing I ever learned. fresh year of college, back when AIM was the thing to do, my somewhat natural buddy said that if a girl types more to you than you do to her, she wants you. It was like a Neo sees the matrix moment when I realized he was right. I immediately became laconic on electronic communications with women.
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itsme, you missed a golden opportunity. You should have helped her with Anti-Game in her replies [or just teased her about it all]. You could have at least made a contact in the Female Mafia and then met her HB7+ friends through her.
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If you’ve been caught in the Ashley Maddison Hack Just do this:
” grab her when the mood hits you, and start tearing off her clothes, oblivious to her mewls of protest. If your psychological preparations have been successful, she will relent and shake off an orgasm like a dog shitting a peach pit. ”
Women know very well that its MENS WORK that creates houses for their Children. Womens “feelings” are secondary to that. Part of YOUR WORK is to fuck her like a toy when you want.
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These fucking therapists should be taken out one by one and shot. They truly do more harm than good, especially since the feminism virus has infected the so-called profession.
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Give a woman everything and she’ll despise you for having nothing.
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Woman does absolutely nothing to foster sexual tension and healthy intimacy.
Man finds out that she’s unhappy and attempts to fix it.
He takes away every excuse – every reason for her unhappiness.
Professional advice – Find more reasons to be unhappy.
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That’s why I only give women one thing….
Can anyone guess what that is?
anybody….?
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Foot rubs? A well-hung n*gger boy-toy?
Miscegenation rape!
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oh, its humorous when darkies are such try hards.
laughing at, not with, little 3/5ths.
darkie rape!
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at the end of each post there are always others listed that are somewhat related. this one is a gem. using something like this to screen out girls when you’re first getting to know them might help to prevent situations like you see in this post.
also might be fun to run your current girl through the questions. you can tell her what a selfish, bad girlfriend/wife she is when she gets all the answers wrong.
The Love Test: A Routine
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/the-love-test-a-routine/
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So I’m going to go back to school and become a marriage counselor just to give good advice.
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No woman would pay for it… you would be broke.
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Damn, if only there were another 50% of the population that I could market to…
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Women make the decision on counselor Johnny… there is a reason for that BTW.
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so in other words, male desire for sex is unimportant, women’s stupid feelings are very, very important. woman needs to get over herself.
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well not exactly.
her feelings do matter in the sense that you don’t want to have to force yourself on a girl who doesn’t want you. you want her to ‘feel’ like she wants you.
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“male desire for sex is unimportant, women’s stupid feelings are very, very important”
This part is exactly right Martin. The GAME is to change her feelings, whether in a LTR or just a fling. Her feelings are the only truth she knows, nevermind they are chemical reactions that change with the hour. Learn how to make her feel, and you learn how to own her.
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Man Gives His Unhappy Wife Everything She Asks For gets nothing out of it, so he goes after another girl, And This Is What Happened Next…
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Skinny white woman who obviously went mudsharking is surprised to be cheated on by Mandingo?
Stupid girl.
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skinny for a mudshark, that is
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The fact that she’s a redhead makes it that much more entertaining. Red up top; fire down below.
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Hey Heartiste,
How are you spending your summer vacation? I’m sure a few of the readers would like some CH “summer reading” such as are you hanging out on the Riviera, deploying game on EasyJet girls, hunkered down at the cottage on the lake, or day gaming girls spending a summer in the city.
Thanks in advance.
[CH: i’ve been places you people wouldn’t believe. I’ve seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion. C cups glittering in the dark. all those moments lost in time. like tears in rain.]
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C’mon heartiste. Just a short travelogue to keep us entertained.
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CH is correct about not believing him. heh
I’ve drunk mint tea in a muslim family’s home in Beirut. Friend of my father’s.
I was the only American attending a German school in Beirut. And dropped the panties of a Danish girl in Beirut. When I was five.
I’ve danced country two-step in Manila.
I watched my dad pick a lock to an executive’s office–at Mobil Oil offices in Caracas.
I’ve flown into a town in a biplane where there was no road leading out, chatted with guerrillas, bathed in piranha-infested water, slept in a hammock slung between poles in a thatch hut with no walls, and cruised the Orinoco River–and only saw one other boat in three days.
I’ve crossed from Tangiers to Gibraltar on a ferry and the Atlantic on a passenger ship.
I’ve walked where Solon gave his laws, where Demosthenes thundered, where Cicero published his newspaper, and where Caesar was assassinated.
It happened, whether or not you believe it.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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This is a lesson I learned the hard way. One of the girls in my rotation, who I bang regularly and who cooks and buys me stuff was going away on an extended holiday. I got her some throwaway gift as a going away present. She was actually surprised and resistant to accepting it. If was coffee beans I picked up on a business trip. I bought a few pounds for myself and gave her one packet. Later she wrote me gushing about how tasty they were.
This is why it’s important to read and listen to girls carefully. A few angry ex gf’s would tell me how selfish I was, how I never listened etc. But it was more a control technique rather than a critique. It was more of a way of rationalizing their bad behaviours and reactions than a commentary on mine. Now that I realize this I hold back on the gifts. My attention is my gift.
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So they understand that being needy, bitchy bitches isn’t proper behavior, but instead of admitting it, they blame you for not being equally invested as they are?
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@Benson yes…it’s called “projection”.
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@Benson I just came up with a great response to a flake…the context, a married woman I banged senseless, hot, was set to meet up for drinks again. She wrote in the morning saying “Morning, I have a fever and slight cold. May I reschedule our meet up. Sorry.”
Hmmm….what to say? She’s clearly flaking but wants me to feel sorry for her because she’s “sick”. To ignore…butt hurt. To wish her a speedy recovery is being naïve. To ask when she’s free is being needy and will only push her when her hamster is rationalizing meeting up.
Me: “Me too…markets giving me a headache.”
Seemed the perfect way to indicate disinterest, make a wry comment on her so-called fever and leave it completely open to her making the outreach. Once I bang them if they flake when I invite them out, it’s fine. They can’t accuse me of only wanting a ONS. Her hamster is in overdrive at the fact her body and her mind were in conflict. Be the guy who blows it off with a quip that displays neither emotion nor investment.
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Is that normal behavior in a relationship, or is it a trait you see more often in the borderline/cluster B types?
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@Benson We all project….even when a guy thinks a girl is going to call him back he’s “projecting” his own positive ideas of what HE would do…in many ways Projection is a form of denial. The degree that girls project could be based on many factors. Emotionally stunted women would project a lot as a defense mechanism against getting hurt. ‘You’re selfish’ means…I’m selfish and you’re not doing what I want. When you start to recognize this in Cluster B’s you can then not take it so personally and act so defensive.
Agree and amplify works because it derails the projection…
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That’s what I was getting at. I understand that everyone has psychological quirks, but I wasn’t sure if that level of defensiveness is par for the course, or if some women take mild insecurity and morph it into exaggerated fear of abandonment.
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@Benson an indicator of the Cluster B type is constantly finding fault and accusing the guy of something they themselves may actually be guilty of: in my case it was that I was running around with every girl I could chase—she was, that I was going to leave her—she did….that I was selfish and only thought of myself—she left before two major events that were important to me.
You can pick it out when it becomes a pattern—consistent. Usually these things start small….there may be a blow up over some minor thing. How you react to it dictates how the next one will be and how long. In my case it was every 6 weeks…something—even now, she’ll appear like a ghost….she bumped into me “accidentally” the other night.
The only way to deal with this type of person is ignore. Not to punish them—they’re already very hard on themselves emotionally—but to save yourself the heart-ache. Dude my life is so much better now that the only reason I bring this up is as a learning to guys who may have questions or be struggling through this thinking “Is it her or me???”
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Yeah, I asked myself that question constantly for a few months after getting dumped. Everyone said she was whack, but you always doubt yourself. “If I had just done x differently, it could have been different” and so on.
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@Benson a sign of my own growth…I ended up meeting another Cluster B nutcase, younger, hotter, tighter. Instead of “chasing”…I always walked away. FInally she went so nuts at my refusal to accept her frame, she created a fake FB profile and then posted all sorts of nasty nonsense about me and forwarded it to a handful of my female friends—before taking it down.
The next thing I notice…she posts two profile photos on her whatsapp of her in a wedding dress….wow, just wow. Either she’s modeling or these are wedding photos—one month after the whole craziness with me. I’m much smarter about the level of emotional involvement now because my inner game is better and because I recognize these patterns sooner. Projection is harder to spot unless you know what to look for. It’s accusations of behavior that don’t quite fit you or seem exaggerated versions of you.
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One girl liked to bring me gifts of various sorts, but didn’t like it at all when I reciprocated (I did it too showily as well). I think she saw beta rot in the alpha image she had built up. Good instincts.
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Excellent post. Following advice along the lines that this “therapist” gives ruined my second marriage. Following the kind of advice CH gives here saved my third marriage. This stuff absolutely works.
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Yeah i could have been the subkect of the OP three years ago or so. Sex once a month, lots of arguing about it, wife living the Ralph Lauren life with 5 kids and eveything she ever wanted…
Today – after a mini freeze out last night because her attitude was bugging me a little – she comes into my office and says i seem a little cranky and she wants to “massage” me in the shower. And I turn her down “not cranky and dont have time” and you can watch the hamster hit full throttle… So i go out for lunch alone whistling a happy tune, smiling to myself and setting the stage for an epic night tonight.
It’s called game for a reason, keep on playing.
Game does save lives.
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How’d you turn it around without her getting bitter? It’s difficult to change a woman’s perception of you once she thinks you’re beta, so I’ve been told.
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Sentient question from an amateur (ie, unmarried guy), doesn’t she ever call you out on it and force you to reassure her? Like “Where are you going out for lunch alone? You’re not going to meet some woman are you? You’d never cheat on me would you?”
Stuff like that. I assume you just A&A it away (“I have a different mistress each day of the week dear”) or something..aren’t there times when she actually needs some reassurance you won’t leave her?
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Sentient – more detailed question in mod but was asking how you know when you need to Amplify a test and when she’s actually looking for reassurance
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In short – Raise your value by pursuing a dynamic passionate and authentic life. She can go along for the ride or you can choose to take someone else either way the train is leaving the station.
Become outcome independent in regard to everything, lots and lots of game (a and a, push pull, basically passing the 1000 shit tests a day), start cultivating lots of iois she can witness (preselection) and lots of leaving the house usually to bars and places with other women.
Also started out with a blanket statement at the start of the reset that we would get divorced if things didnt change, not as an accusation just as a neutral fact which freaked her out because she is a total blue pill nice girl who would have martyrd herself in a bad marriage because divorce is verboten…
See MMSL there are lots of guys who have done the same. One note though the only succesful guys seem to be those who eventually put divorce on the table in some form.
So now i have sex on avg 3 times a week (over the last few years), she is much happier, more deference more respect. Still get shit tests and still have to squash bad behavior from time to time but that is hypergamy and female nature. Will never end.
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Yeah mod is strong now. Short answer Culum is a loyalty test will not be at your expense, it will be at her expense… Like something “will you still love me when I’m old” or “who where you talking to, some young thing?”.. something that shows you are higher value than her.
LOL – right now she is texting me about if I enjoyed my lunch… I say “yeah” and she says “details!” … You can’t make this stuff up. So this is a shit test to me… I say “too much to get into now” and leave it… The pot continues to boil…
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I’m still not great at this with the wife, but think I hit it on the nail today… We’d had a big blowup a couple days ago and today we’re joking around about it… She says, you know I still love you. I reply… Of course you do.
She playfully punches me in the arm and all is well.
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@Sentient : Also started out with a blanket statement at the start of the reset that we would get divorced if things didnt change, not as an accusation just as a neutral fact which freaked her out because she is a total blue pill nice girl who would have martyrd herself in a bad marriage because divorce is verboten…
This worked for you. I said something similar and it backfired. It ended up prompting abandonment fears driving the girl away and into cheating.
I wasn’t ready for this…I was totally caught off-guard because I didn’t understand the pathology I was dealing with and over-estimated my own value in this dynamic because the girl was putting me on a pedestal—but as I found out, this is her own defense mechanism.
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“So now i have sex on avg 3 times a week (over the last few years), she is much happier, more deference more respect.”
Kudos. My Dread is passive but runs hotter since I go out solo on weekends. I get a lot of loyalty tests and not many 5h1t tests. I can see Mrs. Gamer’s 5h1t tests when her attitude changes, so they’re easy to spot.
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“the moral supremacy of the female prerogative and the assumption of the male’s automatic fault”
Therapy is like the final shit test:
Seeking therapy is the moral high ground for the female to claim she tried everything. However literally it marks the powerlessness of the beta. He’s tired of living in sexual purgatory and is opening the floodgates for the woman to “get permission” from the therapist to end the marriage, blame him entirely and come out as a squeaky clean victim.
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Everything besides Evolutionary Psychology is bullshit.
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There’s a scene from an English-version episode of Wallander where the new wife, after seeing the therapist, says to Wallander, “I think that was helpful.” He replies, “I don’t think so.”
“Why?” she says.
“That’s how the session went with my first wife. It was the same therapist.”
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I regularly tell my wife what to do ( never ask), don’t apologize for anything, pinch her little chubby spots, flirt with waitresses when we go out and pretty much act like a selfish jerk. In fact she even stated to me that Im the most selfish guy she’s ever been with. Despite this – sex is on demand, cooks all my meals, does our laundry – all while working a full time. She also regularly says to me ” I love my husband”.
In turn she gets a husband who would protect her should danger ever arise..
It took learning game and becoming experienced with women to get a marriage this good.
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Props.
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The most obvious example of a herbivore changing into something better actually was hinted at in Breaking Bad. His wife loathes him and pities him at first when he is a tame school teacher loser who was boring. He gets cancer and then does a few bad things and all of a sudden he comes hme and literally hammer bangs her in the kitchen. She liked it. The point is women need to feel secondary. For proles and NAMs this means “made to feel like a piece of trash”, to white women it’s he could care less BECAUSE he is doing whatever he wants (big difference from pretending not to care when you have given up). To Asians it’s a combo of white women and good old fashion money/power.
I have no sympathy for these guys. Look in the mirror. MAke changes, but never let your girl pity you. Even if you have to go to jail or leave her to do it. Pity is a subconscious acknowledgement by women that you are helpless and cannot protect her or her kids. Hence dry up. This is the mystery for why criminals still can woo many women.
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Something I do wonder about is the staleness of “the regular”. Many Beta males, as far as I have heard, are happy enough to get regular sex or sexual access, to see a naked woman daily, that the actual frequency, variety and duration of sexual sessions doesn’t matter to them. Here we get two problems:
1: Women need to see men as sexual beings constantly on the ready and on the prowl. You can’t be non-sexual 99% of the time and expect a woman to be aroused the remaining 1%. Even women with high sex drives who frequently initiate expect their man to reciprocate sexual cues, to signal he’s ready and warmed up. If we’re constantly slowly simmering, it takes a lot less to hit boiling point. This is why fostering affection doesn’t result in sex. At best it’s neutral. At worst it distracts us from being sexual. This is also why game is all about building tension: if you aren’t constantly sexual, the pot stops boiling and you could be anywhere from warm to needing to start over.
2: If a man rejects sex from a woman too often, is rarely ready, wants sex once or twice a week because his T is too low and always wants a quick couple of minutes in the same position, ie, if he wants “just the regular please”, I can’t see how anyone would cope. From time to time, the regular will be needed. Maybe there isn’t much time, the other rooms aren’t available, you’re in a rough patch or a dry spell due to stress and just need to get the ball rolling again… But even then, when you know what’s going to happen you may as well open a book, to be honest. And if that’s your entire sex life, where’s the enjoyment? It’s reducing it to just a biological function, like buying macdonald’s instead of making a steak burger dinner.
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Reads like a script of my marriage. After I left and she divorce raped me, I exited that country for good. Funny thing is, once I took the plunge and emigrated to a third world country, I found a welcoming community of other white men who’d done the same. Now I sip cokacolas in the sun.
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19 commandements of blue balls
(a.k.a female advice on dating, just do the opposite)
http://thoughtcatalog.com/sophie-martin/2013/08/19-telltale-signs-a-guy-is-really-into-you/
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That article should be titled, “19 things a man can do after he gives me tingles”.
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Dear God. These listicles must be generated by a cyborg on a 24 hour estrogen and oxytocin IV drip. So pathetically robotic and predictable.
Basically a list of all the stuff SHE does when she is really into a guy and abstractly wishes a guy would do for her, being of course totally unaware of how repulsive that kind of needy, overly effusive behavior is in real-life men.
The dating/sex blogger capacity for self-delusion knows no bounds.
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@Benson I just got flaked on by the hot married girl I banged. We were set to meet up and she texted me this morning, first thing to say: “I’ve got a fever and cold can we reschedule our meeting?” Sorry”
Me: Me too…markets giving me a headache.
I know she’s panicking. She wants to make me feel sorry for her so she can feel ok about flaking. Silence is butt hurt and I do see her so don’t want to look like that. Agreeing or wishing her a speedy recovery is beta. My response is to reframe this around me with some witty remark. Her hamster will be spinning wondering if I believe her, whether she should reschedule, how to act etc etc etc….
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Nice!
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Is it butt hurt because of the situation, you having to see her regardless of whether or not you meet up?
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@Benson I didn’t want to seem butthurt because I will have to see her, the flippant comment was congruent with the way I’ve been teasing her.
She did reply:
Me: Me too…markets giving me a headache.
Note the teasing, the slight disbelief, the whatever I don’t care and reframe.
Her: replies 8 hours later: “Yes, they were terrible today, hope it gets better as well as me..
Note the “as well as me…” she’s emphasizing that at the time we would be out, she’s home sick…more outreach for sympathy. This has to be read in a very specific way. She wants me to feel sorry for her so she can feel good about not coming out. Is she truly sick? Coincidental that it’s on the same day as our meeting and she didn’t offer a second choice yet.
Game works on very subtle levels. I didn’t respond to this. I will probably see her out and see how it goes.
But this is classic hamster. She bangs me, then feels guilty…wants to find a way to rationalize it…can’t stop thinking about it….
The worst thing a guy could do at this moment is interfere with this process. She needs to work it out for herself and any contact—-feeling sorry will on some level will lower my value—what a sucker he believes me, that’s so “nice” Being more flippant would be “overgaming”.
So now I’m not “butthurt” I’m just busy and moving on.
This whole interaction is not about the verbal, it’s about what’s not being said….this is a big thing for her—banging some cool dude who made her feel crazy and hot while hubby is away. It’s the “now what???” Does she give that up? No girl wants to. But on the other hand she doesn’t want a “boyfriend”…best to wait this out, see how it plays out.
I had a similar situation years ago. The girl was a flight attendant. I gamed her, she would ignore, then I would pull back, she would chase. Then we started banging. To this day she’s a good friend now. She’s always respectful, always meets up when I’m in her city, always treats me with the utmost respect. Probably because regardless of how we ended up, I demonstrated value.
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spot on wala…
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Good stuff. It sounds like you’re unaffected by their antics–flakiness, disappearing act etc.
I have to work on my reaction to those mind games. They still irritate the hell out of me and it influences my behavior.
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@Benson in my case I started to work more on keeping an emotional distance. It takes discipline. It doesn’t mean being totally aloof. But it does mean being more aware of any triggers of my emotional reactions: cancelations, snide behavior, disrespect. I stop, let the feeling pass and then assess what it really means.
Also, having an abundance mentality and options helps to ensure i’m not overly invested.
These girls always come back or show new IOI’s. It takes time and filling that time by moving on is critical.
Monitor the triggers of your emotional reactions and you’ll be able to manage them better.
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That’s where I fucked myself with the ex. She flaked on some plans and didn’t offer to reschedule, which she had never done before, and her excuse was elaborate and completely made up. I think it was a shit test. I initially passed but I pulled away too abruptly because I got scared, and she sensed it.
That’s what I’ve been working on this year, not letting the initial emotional shock dictate how I react to hot girl antics.
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@Benson totally understand that. But I wouldn’t beat yourself up about that. It’s disappointing but I think looking forward you’ll do better next time because you’re more away. Eventually she’ll come back or re-engage, they always do. By then you’ll have totally moved on and it won’t matter. She’ll be a minor distraction on a wider landscape of options and interests.
I now have 2-3 girls at any given time who share different interests but I bang all of them. I see them every 2 weeks or so depending on our schedules—as opposed to the pressure of seeing my crazy ex and then wondering why she was flaking etc etc etc. This balanced approach helps me do the things I like doing without the drama. Being more self-aware of the triggers was the first step for me. Sounds like you’re on your way.
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Yeah, little by little. Falling on my face with that girl was good for me, as painful as it was. It spurred me into action–new job, new band, more weight loss, day game and so on.
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Therapists will till you, no matter what the man does, he is 50% at fault.
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And that’s the male therapists.
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that he is. Not 50, but 100. Of course, what he should DO is a completely different story.
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There are still sane guys out there – hence my nominee for alpha of the month:
http://mashable.com/2015/08/24/plane-breakup-tweets/
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First I thought – nothing special. Then I checked the tweets of their convo below. Definitely a candidate for AOTM, good find progretarian. Hope CH puts this into spotlight.
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The marriage guidance industry, like the former “Profession” of teaching is as near to being totally feminist dominated, driven, and directed as to make no difference. I rarely pick up a newspaper these days because of this sad fact and I don’t know if there are any male “Agony(who the fuck appointed women expert in all things relationship/sex [intentional rhetoric]) Aunts”. Ill bet the farm that any “men” in that sea of rancid vaj juice, will be vomit inducing milksops and/or gay. Probably a good thing to get into if you want to bang loads of bored wives and girlfriends.
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Beautiful advice. Excellent.
Probably no coincidence the couples’ therapist (read: the woman’s therapist) talks like Carolyn Hax.
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I see the writer is Pamela Stephenson.
Here she is in about 1980, in a short clip from a British comedy show. (She’s the hitch-hiker.)
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The hedgehog bit was good. I’ve seen her many times and I would have been wanking to her then too.
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confirmation that dread game properly executed on wife when she cries after orgasm and in between sobs whispers how worried she was you never love her again
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throw in making you a sandwich and yes you have WON…
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Props.
Mrs. Gamer would never admit such a thing. She usually cries during her Dread-B attacks before she has a screaming O and calls me her “vibrator”. No wonder she instigates for sex.
Women are just like men–logical and reasonable. heh
Mental comparison rape!
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To the husband: STOP doing what you’re doing, and do the opposite.
This is good information to any man when dealing with women – never listen to what they say, look at what they reward. Now, I admit I’m an a**hole to the women I see – they know that I’m seeing other women, having sex, and I demand they be available only to me. If they aren’t they can walk, or I’ll toss them because I put zero value in a woman other than what she brings to me, and that is sex – mostly. But sex is easy to get, so they are mostly a convenience to me – and you don’t try to appease a convenience, you use it as you want, when you want, and how you want. Women are best treated the same – and they enjoy it.
If you want to see an unhappy woman, look for the one that is listened to and appeased. Women want to be told what to do – it releases them from all responsibility. And they like to complain about the man in their life – it’s how women bond with other women. So give her something to complain about, she’ll love you for it. And more importantly, she’ll be happy to do it.
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Pamela Stephenson (before she married Billy Connolly) got much closer to the truth when she was young and sang about a girl’s love for the Ayatollah Khomeni. Chicks dig jerks!
“Ayatollah don’t Khomeini closer…”
“my heart’s a hostage in Iran”
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Sentient: fitness update
Only been a couple of weeks or so. Have lost maybe 2-3 pounds, so not much, but stomach feels less flabby, don’t feel bloated or sleepy in the afternoon. Diet not 100% clean but mostly there.
Workout: try to do very light weights 3xweek – more getting my body used to the movements than anything else, and walking 1 mile at a brisk walk 3xweek a week (on days when I am not doing weights – I am planning to increase this to two miles this week). Still a bit sore from the early weights days, but back pain is also getting better.
Let’s see how this feels in 6 months, esp after I have a few trips that break up the rhythm
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Focus on your diet. The weights are good, but they won’t help you slim down much.
[CH: lifting while in the fasted state is a great way to switch your body into fat-burning mode. and you’ll still have energy in the gym.]
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Just fasting will do that. Cut your carb intake as well and your manboobs don’t stand a chance.
Lifting heightens your insulin sensitivity, and the increased HGH and testosterone aid fat burning, but there’s nothing like a good diet to slim down, speaking as a former fatty.
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Thanks guys, it’s good to report back here occasionally to keep up motivation (just like Game – heh). When I do weights, it’s always first thing in the morning so the fasted state should help.
Weight loss isn’t really a priority for me though. I’m 5’10” and 165, so pretty lean to begin with. Sure, I have a bit of a flabby paunch to lose, but there isn’t that much weight to lose. Maybe go down to 155-157 max which shouldn’t be too hard.
The real issue is the total absence of any kind of muscle tone or cardio fitness..just way too much time spent in front of a screen or in meeting rooms. So I think the way to go is to get down into the 150s in weight and then focus on muscle.
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Culum
At 5’10 you will be fine at 165 once the fat is converted to muscle. So don’t stress the lbs at all – as you continue to work out you will add muscle which is denser than fat, so your weight may not change much. But watch your waist – you will drop a few belt notches and pant size…
George St Peirre is 5’10 and 170 lbs here… the workout will get you there.
http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297438643381_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x
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Hah I’m going to refer to that St Pierre picture when I need motivation – same age, height and weight as me, but what a difference physically..
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Culum – Good start man, glad your feeling better as well. I’ll echo what Benson and CH say. The key is diet. You should look at a daily caloric intake of around 1600-1700. Count your calories and keep off the carbs completely.
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outcome independence is the nirvana of LTR
you can act like you don’t care (too much), but that only works if you obtain the outcome you seek in acting
actually don’t care (too much) and the outcome doesn’t matter
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Can someone please define Eskimo? I’m relatively new to the manosphere and keep seeing it pop up here and on TRM & RTK.
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