The dysfunction of modern Greece and Italy (relative to the Northern European norm) leaves many to wonder how it was the distant ancestors of Greeks and Italians — presumably, the same lineage of people — accomplished so much and built empires when their present-day descendants are mired in corruption and crushing debt. What happened between then and now?
Here’s an answer to that riddle: Maybe the ancient Greeks and Romans weren’t anything like modern Greeks and (southern) Italians. It could be that the ancients were a different ethnicity/race — Northern European.
Nobody really talks about the race of ancients Greeks or Romans. It’s assumed they were swarthy Southern Europeans like the people who live there today. But if they weren’t, if they were instead races created from migrations of pale-skinned, blond-haired Northern Europeans, then that would upset a lot of blank slatists. It would affirm, once again, that genes matter. That the same genetic heritage which allowed the 19th and 20th century Germanics to invent practically the entire edifice of the modern technologically advanced civilized world is the heritage that propelled the world-beating achievements of the ancient Greeks and Romans.
Going full Arthur Kemp now, CH?
The problem is, where do you stop? In earlier antiquity, before Greece and Rome, the center of civilization was in the Middle East and Egypt. Were they Nordic too?
You more than anyone should know that a people can change and evolve over short time frames, with your posts about the pussification of Western male sand such. That doesn’t have to involve racial change. SWPLs are the same race as their more alpha grandfathers.
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“IHTG” tries the ol’ “guild by association” angle, lacking any facts to argue with. “Arthur Kemp!” Why don’t you mention Adolf Hitler while you’re at it? You know you want to.
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Nah, he’s just making fun of WN bigots with daffy ideas. Frankly, you’re as wound up as a Jew who wants to see “anti-Semitism” everywhere. You ever notice that? I used to be like you. Go look for my old shit here; it’s ridiculous.
But if I say anything else I’ll turn out to be a Jew or a “concern troll”, so whatever.
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Uh’s old shit is brilliant.
Best anti-eskimo stuff on the interwebz.
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True, but some races change and evolve less than others no matter how long we give them or how much help we provide them with.
Exhibit one; Obama’s sons
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Thank you Matt King. Uh, you’re out of line. Pussy.
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The Chateau’s transformation is complete: it is now just another WN blog. Everything bad is Jewish, everything good Nordish, and if you disagree you’re a Jew or an idiot. They have it all sewn up, these WNs. Dig this:
“Julius Caesar was blond, something you won’t see in Rome the TV series.”
As Arbiter is here to assure us, lest the Jews fooled anyone ten years ago with their crafty HBO series. I suppose this means Suetonius himself must have been Jewish for informing us that the man had black eyes, though Arbiter probably knows better.
Further down, we discover that Aphrodite was blonde.
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What’s so unusual about Aphrodite being blonde?
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heh
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Uh, I’ve been with you the whole time in re our non-shellfish eating friends. But don’t make the mistake of concern trolling.
The J-baiting has a lot in common with the Trump phenomenon, which is the main reason I am happy his campaign and methodology is catching fire — even Hillary is starting to mock reporters.
Call it strategic antisemitism. Speaking the unspeakable is the signal you will pursue truth wherever it may go, where others fear to tread, and especially down dangerous paths. Our national democratic discourse is forcibly circumscribed — we are lucky the speech monitors accidentally allowed the term “political correctness” to describe it.
Are the J’s perfidious? Yes, perhaps, maybe, no. That’s not the point. The point is we are not allowed to even “go there” in our search for the truth. Which, perversely, makes that space a safe haven for liars.
Same with Trump and his accidentally-on-purpose smashing of political correctness. Even if he isn’t speaking truth, he is taking on the main inhibitors of truth, which will allow us all to speak freely and to create, generally, a more truthful political discourse.
Don’t speak against our natural allies, even if you find some elements unsavory. There will be time enough to sort things out according to truth once the main enemy is faced and annihilated.
Matt K
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What happened to you? I liked you better before.
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Got tired of the absolutist groupthink script you’re all reading from.
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Go live in Yemen, disgusting Paris suburbs, rape-plagued Malmo, or crime-infested black areas of America and tell us how great diversity is.
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I don’t know your prior persona, so if you don’t mind taking a moment, how do you think European and North American immigration should be run–no racial considerations? Some? Open borders to the third-world, come one come all? Is any white who thinks we should take race into account when controlling immigration a nazi? Also, can we point out jewish hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to the position of many jews (and almost universally elite jews) concerning israel vis-a-vis the N. America/Europe?
Interesting and relevant chart that cites ancient scholars/historians on the skin, hair and eye color of the Roman Emperors. For the record, Suetonius described Claudius as having grey eyes, and Nero and Galba as having had blue eyes.
http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/romanemperors.htm
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Of course all has been reduced to a plain dichotomy only because Jews make a lot of communists.
Although I think semitic middle East high class look like whites. That’s a constant that I observed in news about refugees and middle East scientists. For example 80% university professors from Syria and Lebanon that I’ve seen look like whites. (Not like Nordics).
If whites were intelligent enough they would import(changing their names to euronames) the smart fraction of that countries absorbing the intelligence gene pool of a lot of Nations and destroying it. Instead of import negro monos and semitics who look like rats destroying their own gene pool.
Anglo-Germanics have maintained their higher “cultural IQ” due to cold winters where in the Mediterranean all IQ types(cultural and measurable) are selected against over the centuries( and add miscegenation with black slaves) Welfare has end that Darwinian conjucture in Anglo-Germanic countries.
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Apparently, everything Nordic is Jewish or concern trolling too.
I could quote the Havamal (which I have paraphrased on occasion to see how it would be reacted to), and be accused of promoting Jewish propaganda.
Funny shit.
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No one is forcing you to read or comment. Go find some politically correct blog where you can bury your head in the sand.
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Tuskee, no regular or oldbie is here for politically correct, but one kind of hopes for some touch with reality.
What’s the point of trading one set of lies for another?
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It’s a clearly observable fact that Jews were central movers in the ongoing program of White racial destruction. Feminism and other anti-family theories, globalisation, miscegenation, bogus equality theories, the degradation of Western art, activist judges, Communism….I could go on.
This does not mean all or even most Jews have been – or are – involved. But understanding the Jewish role in our ongoing destruction is central to formulating an effective response.
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Furthermore when a lot of semitc resemble white people
http://images2.naharnet.com/images/102514/w460.jpg?1386863389
http://images3.naharnet.com/images/80120/w460.jpg?1369138087
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Agree, the dichotomy between Nordic or not is so plain and it is proper of stormerzz. However he has reason at least in which the history maximal civilisational top is accomplished by Anglo-Germanics where China hold the second, mediterraneans the third and semitics the fourth and whites in overall the first by far. All that we can derive from that is that civlisations (and their smart fraction gene pool) born, grow and die.The current is dying.
Moderation is elegant, assertive and alpha, moderation CH.
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YKW doesn’t just make lots of communists, they are communism. Commuism wouldn’t exist without YKW constantly breathing life into it and ubiquitously spreading lies and deceit to convince people yet again how wonderful it will be this time around. You completely underestimate the chokehold they have on our culture. I believe 90% are oblivious to this warfare themselves, but support it morally on a tribal level. People don’t suffer a change of heart and come back to convert their former comrades. You’ve outed yourself as a spy as far as I’m concerned.
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Matt,
If you’re not laughing at all the self-parody in the comments here, you’re not as sharp as I wanted to think.
“Aphrodite was BLONDE”, bro. Photo collections of wealthy Jews. GDP maps of Italy. Renaissance statues. Anyone who ever did anything noteworthy anywhere was really white.
Come on. This uncritical kindergarten shit has to make you chuckle.
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You are as tiresome as an ex smoker who has suddenly transformed in to an anti-smoking nazi.
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I warned you guys 6 days ago that “uh” is garbage.
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It’s a comment section, bruh. Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Don’t miss the forest for the trees, either: We want to destroy shibboleths (there I go talking Yid again…). The more people talking more freely will produce more truth, particularly against the Official Unmentionables.
Taking on the greatest PC untruths clears out all the space under it, whether they are total untruths or not. When we are allowed to notice Big Perfidy, then little perfidies can be assailed with impunity. Like how saying “nigger” has freed up “faggot” for less scrutiny.
The prize is within reach. Let’s not become so fastidious that we alienate natural allies over trifles. That’s precisely what the cuckservatives are doing right now to everyone’s detriment.
I mean, I have a “nuanced” understanding of Jews because I don’t need the shorthand to stay faithful to the cause. Some of our best allies don’t have a grasp on the big picture, so they dare not allow exceptions to their jewhate. That’s fine, because they will be in the right 80% of the time.
In a comment section, there isn’t much opportunity to get into nuance, but suffice it to say, in the final analysis, we stand with truth above easy ethnic categorization. And yet we are warier than ever to allow the ideology of eliminating ethnic categorization free rein: the false, totalitarian assumption of equality — that we are all the same — is the chief obstacle to truth these days, and so exaggerating in the attack against that obstacle is no vice.
The philosopher’s job in every age is to be the Delphic balance (“Everything in moderation”). If we are listing so far to the left that the entire ship is in danger of capsizing, we must ballast to the extreme right. That’s not the last word on the truth of things, it’s the first word.
Matt
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That’s photos are not of Jews are from Syrian and Lebanese not rich but famous. I am 25℅ jew, my mother is 50% and my grandpa is 100℅ its impossible look at us and say they are not white people. Whites are found even among Chuvash, Kalash and other non Europeans. Nobody here is saying non white can’t achieve anything, the Chinese do it and they aren’t.
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Listen, the reason heartiste’s blog is not just more white nationalist is because it provides a balanced argument. It’s the reason I still read it.
Don’t you see?
He comments on how the faults are that of white people for allowing the diversity to happen in the first place – very clever
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That’s exactly what I thought: look at their statues, not only exquisitely crafted, but depicting … whom? What kind of people? Look like whites to me.
On a related thought, I’ve always wondered why there is scant historical information about the native Europeans beyond caricaturesque stories of “those barbarians whom the Romans conquered (and repeatedly looted)”.
I’ve read that the egyptian pharaos were white, that the chinese medicine is not “chinese” but was merely “inherited” by them from white people who went extinct in the darkness of pre-history. The history of whites is enigmatic when one starts looking a bit into the past, seemingly always persecuted and genocided by hateful, envious brownies, for the “privilege” of giving them everything that makes their lives better.
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Does anybody actually find this shit funny? It’s something you’d see on an early 2,000’s gaming forum. It’s absolutely fucking embarrassing. You’re not funny and you never, ever will be.
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Too many people are seduced by the past, as if it was some utopian affair. Ancient Greece and Rome had their troubles just as the present day has its. To think that it was once better is naive and foolish.
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GBFM Cheevy
BY EDWIN ARLINGTON ROBINSON
GBFM Cheevy, child of scorn,
Grew lean while he assailed the seasons;
He wept that he was ever born,
And he had reasons.
GBFM loved the days of old
When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;
The vision of a warrior bold
Would set him dancing.
GBFM sighed for what was not,
And dreamed, and rested from his labors;
He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,
And Priam’s neighbors.
GBFM mourned the ripe renown
That made so many a name so fragrant;
He mourned Romance, now on the town,
And Art, a vagrant.
GBFM loved the Medici,
Albeit he had never seen one;
He would have sinned incessantly
Could he have been one.
GBFM cursed the commonplace
And eyed a khaki suit with loathing;
He missed the mediæval grace
Of iron clothing.
GBFM scorned the gold he sought,
But sore annoyed was he without it;
GBFM thought, and thought, and thought,
And thought about it.
GBFM Cheevy, born too late,
Scratched his head and kept on thinking;
Miniver coughed, and called it fate,
And kept on drinking.
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They were certainly not utopian. But the significant ancient nations and civilizations held together while the people had ethnic unity. Those that survived, were able to endure great hardships because of it.
Take the Romans. In the 2nd-3rd centuries BC, the Romans were at war with Hannibal and his army of mercenaries. They fought for the Italian homeland to the death and took terrible casualties — famously, they lost 50,000 men in one day at Cannae, a significant fraction of the population of Italy at the time. The Carthaginians nearly knocked over Rome. But Rome held together, and later conquered and razed Carthage. Why? Because they were one people: one language, one culture, one ethnicity, one loyalty.
Flash forward to the 3rd-5th centuries AD. In this period, the wealthy, indolent Romans hired their own mercenaries to fight wars. Historians of the time noted how the sons of Rome ‘trembled at the sound of the trumpet’ (which was used in those days to call young men to arms). Romans and their foreign slaves interbred prolifically. Christianity turned Romans away from temporal concerns and towards fatalistic, spiritual ones. The best minds in the empire no longer pursued military careers, they rose to power in the church. The Romans gave away citizenship to any outside tribe that paid tribute…any of this sounding familiar?
The post is about changing biological and ethnic factors that contribute to a society holding together or falling apart. It is not about a belief in some fairy-tale past.
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HTB,
Thanks for the reply. All that you said is obviously true, but the underlying assumption is that life is somehow better lived as a society of “one people,” and I just don’t buy that. Sentient life will never be able to prevent shit from going down, no matter the language, culture, ethnicity, and loyalty — it’s competitive evolution that is the underlying problem, not culture and values (manmade constructs). Look at an individual family for example: you have fights among siblings that escalate into fights and sometimes murders.
I’ll say it again: it’s foolish and naive to think that it was once better, or that it can be better with man manipulating things. It’s can’t, that’s the harsh reality. Whatever is, forever it was and shall be.
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It’s difficult to believe historical accounts of ANYthing. Especially when the event in question was so long ago. Reporters can’t even get the facts straight about something that happened 2 days ago. Sometimes the accounts are so varied it’s hard to believe that reporters are reporting the same story. I’m not going to state anything specific because it happens every single day, all around the world! It’s almost like you have to have faith in your personal worldview. I never say ‘worldview’. It sounds cultmarx to me. Is history merely consensus?
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And yet wowz, while YOU don’t think that life is better with one people, the places with one people are happily leaving their doors unlocked tonight.
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Jiron,
Great, their doors are unlocked. Doesn’t mean they’ve done anything to relieve the sentient condition. Why is it so hard to understand that LIFE itself is the problem, that competitive evolution is a bitch? I know this is a big leap to take because it renders everything futile, but it’s just the truth (just as the red pill is).
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As an Italian I can attest that Hair Color / Skin has little to do with achievement since here “Aryan” looking people are no better or worse than my “swarthy” countrymen.
People just can’t get over that Nordic people were the niggers of the Ancient Era.
The few germanic enclaves in the “Alto Adige” region are overrated, just a bunch of nazi wannabes.
Most of those obsessed about this Aryan Power aren’t exactly pussy-magnets and they seem to have lots of spare time.
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and small dicks
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Except the Romans always held the Germans in awe and admired them as proto Romans and then the Germans conquered them once the Italians became effete and feminized. Now Italians are the nigs of Europe and go to Germany to find work.
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@Carlos
Are you high ?
Romans despised german barbarians and blondes (especially during the Republic / pre-Imperial era ), they REALLY liked red-hair tough.
Blonde Hair / Wigs were associated with prostitutes !
They started to import germanics during the decadent period much like the western world is doing now with mud-skins.
Anglo-Saxon Aspies can’t even deal with a bunch of shit-skin immigrants and Taliban goat herders with stick and stones, why should they be held in esteem ? Nature doesn’t care of how many trinkets you invent.
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Popular anthropologist Desmond Morris describes in an amusing passage how blonde hair lost its prostitution stigma, how and why it gained in popularity, and what it represented (hint: not high morals):
” Roman prostitutes were carefully organized. They were licensed, taxed, and actually required by law to wear blonde hair. The third wife of the Emperor Claudius, the wild nymphomaniac Messalina, was so excited by the idea of sudden, brutal sex with strangers that she would sneak out at night clad in a whore’s wig and prowl the city. So violent was her lovemaking that it is rumoured she frequently dislodged her blonde hairpiece, returning to the royal precincts in all too recognizable condition.
Other Roman ladies of fashion were soon imitating her, and the lawmakers were impotent to stem the trend. Their blonde-wig-whoring law was ruined, but the element of wickedness and abandon by now associated with blondness was to survive down the centuries, repeatedly re-surfacing as an opposing strand in contrast to the image of fair-haired virginal innocence. “
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Not All Aryans Are Like That. suhater said it so it must be true.
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“here “Aryan” looking people are no better or worse than my “swarthy” countrymen.”
Now THAT is not true! Wealthy productive and innovative Northern Italians are like a different species to their corrupt poverty-stricken indolent Southern counterparts.
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Desmond Morris? Meh.
Tacitus describes the German women of high moral character, and the men of the type whose word is their bond.
As far as the Romans of that time, and what they may or may not have done with their wigs, well…
Thanks for playing. :duckface
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“As an Italian I can attest that Hair Color / Skin has little to do with achievement since here ‘Aryan’ looking people are no better or worse than my ‘swarthy’ countrymen.”
A map of GDP by region in Italy:
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As a German, I can tell you are jelly of my superior intelligence by your incessant need to mimic your Jooish masters
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@bookooball
If you are German go suck Turk dick (or whatever scum you are importing ) with the rest of your “intelligent” countrymen.
@Greg
It is well know that Tacitus had a thing for germanics, so he might have been overly enthusiastic and biased while writing his chronicles. During that period Roman society was tainted by decadence and Greek influence so many Romans were disgusted by their own people.
Germanics were seen as some kind of “Noble Savages” but it was just a fad, the empire existed for centuries so it is obvious that their view of barbarians could change.
Much like with modern society in the USA: decades ago there were Jim Crow’s laws and now instead they consider the colored as paragon of virtues.
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Read Tacitus, read Caesar, read Suetonius. You are quite simply wrong. They filled their legions with them and later emperors were Romanized Germans who had risen up through the ranks of the legions.
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There’s a reason South Tirol wants to leave Italy. I love your country and your culture, but you’re no longer serious as a people outside of the North. You’re over taxed and its too difficult to create work or fire people. Businesses all run scared of the Guardia di Finanza, the police force with the best boats and cars too. It’s virtually impossible to get a good job. You badly need a revolution and to get rid of all the communist sentiment that has spoiled your nation. 40 year old men share rooms in Rome because of the rent and because pay is so low. No one marries mostly because no one can afford to marry. That is the dirty little secret of Italy. My wife’s best friend lives in Rome and can’t find a good man to get married because so few have enough income to even afford an apartment. She is good looking, has an internship behind her from the best law firm in Italy and an LLM from the best law school in Italy and got the job through Romano Prodi. Shes teaching English to get by. Prostitutes in Ancient Rome or not, you guys love the blonde hair too- Bella bionda! I live in Germany and see Italians everyday. And I also think Amanda Knox is guilty.
[CH: a big cause of the declining marriage rates in the west are overeducated career women. women who have attained high social, educational, or occupational status will only want to marry men of higher status on any or all of those things. hypergamy uber alles. so maybe it was not such a good idea for your wife’s best friend to whore herself out to the legal industry.]
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I knew you would say that and I use her as an object lesson regularly. The Tankgirl thing is a Northern European disease. Nonetheless, lack of money and cost of living in Italy is a big reason for the lack of family formation as there are more people who would like to start a family than can do so. Italian women like children and finding one who wants to marry and have them is not hard. A woman devoting her life to a career is not so fashionable there either. Italians like to enjoy life and have a modicum of status. They work to live, not live to work.
Italy has a fertility rate around 1.2 as I recall, it’s one of the lowest in the world. A wife not working requires a man to make enough to support her and the children. A young man who is in a position to marry and support a wife comfortably is very hard to find in Italy. If more men could find jobs that would allow this, more Italians would be having children. That has become difficult in the US too. It’s far worse in Italy, especially in Rome and has been for 30 years or more.
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Carlos, just imagine how much the father must make after no fault divorce!
Now imagine he wants a new wife and more kids. One man supports 6 humans!!
Wow!!!!
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Agreed. Your commentary reminds of why I’m rather equivocal about Steve Sailer. He gets a lot right when it comes to Race and politics, but misses quite a bit when it comes to Culture and Religion. People are much more than their race, they are just as much a product of their Culture and Civilization. These aren’t segmented, but complementary.
WRT the Greeks and Romans, despite downturns in their empires they still managed to maintain themselves a thriving, dynamic civilizations for quite some time. For the Greeks, up until the conquest of Constantinople by the Muslim Turks, the Greek speaking Byzantine Empire was incredibly successful for picking up the pieces of the Roman Empire and advancing civilization until 1453.
In the wake of the Roman Empire, the descendants of the Romans did eventually pick themselves up and strive forward during the Middle Ages culminating with the Italian Renaissance producing astounding achievements in the arts, philosophy, and science.
As for why these civilizations have fallen and struggle, I suspect a significant part of the answer lay in something you indirectly referenced-Islam. Yes, there was a time when the Middle East & Egypt where dynamic civilizations producing great literature, philosophy, science, inventions, etc. However, these regions ceased being civilizationally dynamic shortly after they were conquered by Islam. Islam managed to take two regions(Egypt & the Middle East) that had been culturally dynamic and turn them into the backwards shyte-hole which they remain today. And yes, there was a time Islam was somewhat dynamic as well but it corresponds to a brief period when the ruling Muslims could draw upon the material and intellectual wealth of the non-Muslims they ruled over. Moreover, the pattern of cultural decline under Islam is pretty clear; Once the Muslims exhausted the material and intellectual wealth of their non-Muslims subjects, there was no where else to go for Islam, culturally speaking.
Of course, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting isn’t it?
The Muslims processed much of the same Greek philosophy and science that Italians did. However, there was never a Muslim version of the Italian Renaissance while the Italian Renaissance produced Da Vinci, Raphel, and Michaelangelo, and the rest. Why? Because the Italians never had the inherent religious contempt and prohibitions against embracing the non-Muslim Culture they were inheriting. In essence, the Muslims could never digest the cultural aspects(Art, Literature, Plays, Music, et al) of the Greeks and Romans, while the Italians(& Europeans) could and did.
That the Greeks and Italians struggle today is due IMO to interacting with Islam and their embrace of Socialism(another argument I’ll be happy to get into).
Churchill was right. There is no greater retrograde force than Islam. Even Socialism doesn’t compare to Islams cultural, societal, and civilizational destructiveness.
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@The Other Jim
Your response is well written and well researched.
Italian culture is based on “do what you want but don’t tell it around and HIDE it well !” It doesn’t matter if it is scientific reasearch during the Inquisition purges or stealing money from taxpayers.
Of course Islam is worse than Socialism: at least most socialists have good intentions and their ideology is not based on sexual frustration !
@SQ
You must consider that the agricultural south was plundered during the Unification to pay for Nothern industry AND foreign debit and they received a treatment similar to the Confederacy during the American Civil War.
The Italian state turned the South into a Mexico-lite failed state where the Mafia shadow GOVERNMENT is much more efficient than regular government.
I am Northern/Central Italian so I have a very low opinion about southerns,
my (great-) grandparents range from tanned Steve Jobs lookalikes, swarthy Etruscan mediterraneans, redheads, blondes and even grey eyed ones. They were all hardworking, honest and they shared the same culture and work ethic regardless of their region/hair color.
@Carlos Danger
Yes, many italians adore blonde ladies as many sane heterosexual men in the world do. Although redheads are the real deal.
As a self-employed worker I can attest to everything you said about the current Italian economic situation but during the 80s and 90s almost everyone in the north/center had a Middle-class lifestyle and money to spend.
The whole image of Italy as a Mexico-lite is taken from 50s neorealist movies and the 2008 ECONOMIC COLLAPSE we suffered !
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Did the conversion of Italians and Greeks to Christianity function in a similar fashion?
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@Anon, no, the process of conversion to Christianity by the Greeks and Romans was totally different as it occurred mainly going from the bottom of society on upwards until Constantine, realizing the political reality of what the Roman Empire had become-predominantly Christian, saw the proverbial writing on the wall. That what was a great deal of the impetus behind the Edict of Milan in 313 AD which effectively legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.
Constantine’s political reality was that many of the people living under him were Christian. This process of Christianization was even happening amongst the aristocracy of the Roman Empire. Thus, he really had little choice but to address the situation through the Edict of Milan. Although Constantine didn’t convert to Christianity until reportedly later in life and was ambivalent about it often mixing pagan practices, his own mother was a Christian as well. There a number of well written, academic texts on this very subject. I recommend Bruce Matthews, “Clash of the Gods” for a examination of the transition period between the old pagan Roman Gods and “New” Christian God.
Islam’s conversion process of course, was quite the opposite with a institutionalized system of discrimination(Sharia), and taxation(jizya) that suffocated the non-Muslims being ruled by Muslims. Really, the non-Muslim had no choice but to convert out of exasperation. Muslim rulers could at times tolerate their non-Muslim subject, but the pattern for all of Islams existence is clear-the exhaustion of the material and intellectual wealth of non-Muslims.
To be fair, in the centuries following Constantine, there were Roman Emperors who favored paganism(Julian) and oppressed Christianity or embraced Christianity and oppressed paganism. However, by Constantine’s era the gig was up, Christianity was pretty widespread, starting from the lower classes of society extending on up through the aristocracy. That’s an entirely different situation from Islam which imposed Islam from the top on down as we’ve seen from India to Persia to Morocco.
@Sunhater, Thanks. It’s difficult to discuss centuries of Italian history in the span of a few paragraphs. The evidence is clear though, in the wake of the political, economic, and social collapse as well as some horrific natural disasters(plague, etc) of the Roman Empire, the Romans still advanced and would have kept on advancing if not for periodic assaults by Muslims. That seems to be the dynamic that really stultified Europe. Even considering the Islamic invasions, if you want to get into it, the Middle Ages was extraordinarily dynamic for Italy and Western Europe. The emergence of universities(Bologna, Emilia Reggia, Oxford in England, Salamanca in Spain, Paris,), Gothic cathedral construction, advances in philosophy, science, music, etc. Tragically, all of it cut short by the Black Plague. I’d argue that the Italian Renaissance was Italy(& Europe’s) second attempt at reconnecting with its Graeco-Roman past.
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Is easy you stop when you start to talk about non Europeans. Although current semitic smart fraction look like white Mediterraneans. Maybe ancient Greek smart fraction looked like non Mediterraneans whites. Though blonde hair sounds unlikely being in Germany not more than 49%.
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Look at the busts and etchings of the ancient Egyptians (e.g. Nefertiti). Quite obviously European, definitely not negroid.
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For a better perspective take a look at Egyptian sarcophogai painting. They’re remarkably realistic and show that the Egyptians living there 2000 years ago or so pretty much resembled the Egyptians now. Not Black Africans, but very Mediterranean in appearance.
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In earlier antiquity, before Greece and Rome, the center of civilization was in the Middle East and Egypt. Were they Nordic too?
Maybe.
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Except that Kemp’s March of the Titans is an adolescent wank-fest, whereas Unz, despite being a Jew whose focus on the Ivy Leagues was reluctant to show how they shaft Whites, is mostly about as smart, skeptical, racialist and pro-White as a Jew can get. He hosts Sailer, one of the most original journalists of our time, as well as many other commentators who form the vanguard that will eventually force a ‘retreat through the institutions’, ie a retreat of the Blank Slate lunacy.
Everthing on Unz.com is miles above the standards of March of the Titans.
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I do not think that it is an accident that the oldest Egyptian mummies of Pharaohs had blond and red hair, and that 70% of white men in England have the same DNA background as King Tut!!!
White men need to wake up. We ARE civilization!
As far as Italy and Greece, I do not believe that Southern Italy (and by no means Sicily) and Greece is representative of the peoples that created empires in those regions. In the same manner (although a more extreme example), the people (native Indians) in present day Peru did not create the Incan civilizations there, like Machu Picchu.
The (white) Aryans existed and thrived in much of today’s Middle East, until Turks and other tribes from the East invaded and forced many of them into present day Europe. We started the cradle of civilization, and then took it with us to (present day) Europe, England and Ireland, where we created new civilizations.
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Alexander the great was redhead
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/alexanderarticles/ss/031211-What-Color-Was-Alexander-The-Greats-Hair.htm
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/28/us/texas-sheriffs-deputy-shot-gas-station/index.html
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no mention of the shooter’s race, which could help the manhunt in identifying him and capturing him?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEPUTY_SHOT_HOUSTON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-29-06-33-34
“Police described the suspect as a man believed to be between 20 and 25 years old and stands about 5-foot-10 to 6-feet tall. He was wearing a white T-shirt and red shorts and driving a red or maroon pickup-style truck with an extended cab.”
no mention of the shooter’s race, which could help the manhunt in identifying him and capturing him?
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Dennis Hopper already covered this topic in True Romance back in the 90s. Classic movie scene.
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Except the moors weren’t nigs.
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Many of them were. Moors mainly came from North- and West-Africa.
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Yeah, well YOU’RE a canteloupe!
Actually, you’re wrong… when he spoke of the Moors (sorry, the card says Moops), he was talking circa Dark Ages (no pun) and the areas Sicily, Spain, Portugal, and parts of France…
The Greece of Homer through Alexander was long gone by then… and the Roman Empire of the Caesars had long fallen to various Germanic tribes… when folks speak of the ages of the glory of Rome and her Republic/Empire, they ain’t taking about Constantinople.
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BEAT ME TO IT
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Moor comes from moro and means black.
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Quentin Tarantino isn’t a reliable source on the Moors or the Sicilians. Though, coincidentally, Tarantino is very happy that “white supremacy” is finally being held up to scrutiny.
http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/quentin-tarantino-lane-brown-in-conversation.html
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Man, that’s ironic – just this morning, I was reading about Hannibal, which got me to reading about the Seleucid Empire – founded by one of Alexander’s generals, Seleucus. The Seleucid Empire stretched from the Mediterranean all the way across to India, and encompassed Persia [which would eventually become the Sassanid Empire, which would eventually become Iran – are you paying attention, RooshV?]. Wikipedia says that the Seleucid Empire’s original capital was Seleucia, in modern-day Central Iraq, but that the capital was quickly withdrawn back to Antioch, Syria. Wikipedia also indicates that the Seleucid Empire was governed by a core of Greek elites in the major towns, but Wikipedia doesn’t give any indication as to the extent that the Greek elites might have procreated with the locals. And of course the predominance of a residual Greek power base in Antioch would explain why the Gospels came to be written in Greek, and why the Gospels placed such a strong emphasis on the Greek notions of Truth and Logos.
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I have long wondered whether the lines of the Ancient Greeks & Macedonians survived in the Lebanese and Egyptian Christians. Michael & Patrick Atiyah’s father came out of Lebanon [their mother was a Scots girl], as did Michael E. DeBakey and Carlos Slim Helu and their peeps. Also, I am just about 110% certain that Mrs Andrew Wiles is a Coptic girl [not a Muslim].
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And then there’s the question of what happened to the Sadducees, who seem to have completely vanished from the historical record within a few short years after Jesus praised them: Whether the Sadducees were all butchered by the emerging Talmudic Phariseeical Psychopaths, like Saul of Tarsus, or whether the Sadducees might have survived by e.g. interbreeding with the Greeks [and/or Romans]?
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I have long wondered whether the lines of the Ancient Greeks & Macedonians survived in the Lebanese and Egyptian Christians.
So those brown-skinned Copts must be White because they’re Christian. Wishful Xtian thinking. And Europeans who went to northern Africa later were disgusted by the Copts, saying their religion was barely an echo of the Christianity in Europe. That’s really not the group to “save” by re-writing history, it won’t be to your advantage.
would explain why the Gospels came to be written in Greek, and why the Gospels placed such a strong emphasis on the Greek notions of Truth and Logos.
Another way to get around the unquestionable fact that the Jews in the Bible were Jews, starting with the Jew Jesus from the Jewish tribe of Judea? No, there’s no way to get around that, I’m afraid. As for logos, that’s pretty funny when you’re talking about an embarrassingly contradictory collection of texts with zero proof for any of their supernatural claims about magic controlling the world. I guess Xtians know this, since they all disagree with each other in hundreds of sects. When there is no real story to rally behind people make up the fantasy that suits them best.
If you want an actual attempt as Greek Logos, why not look to the Greeks instead of the Jews. But I forget, the Greeks who talked about Logos were not Xtians, so never mind them. Or the Romans who built the Roman Empire. Let’s talk instead about the great Xtians who ran the empire into the ground.
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Jesus H Christ, Arbiter, man – ditch the nihilism, will ya? Something strange happened there in the Eastern Mediterranean, 2000 years ago, when emerging Sadducean notions of God’s Love somehow mingled and merged with Greek notions of Truth and Logos. Plus the Phariseeical Talmudic Psychopaths first stepped to the forefront of the historical record, eventually becoming the very same people who would murder President McKinley, Lee Harvey Oswald, General Patton, Pyotr Stolypin, the entire Romanov family, hundreds of thousands of White Russian patriots, ten million Ukrainians in the Holodomor, 75 million or more Unborn USA Babeez, etc etc etc – JUST LIKE JESUS WARNED US THAT THEY WOULD. If you can’t find all of those historical coincidences to be fascinating, then take a chill pill.
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Also, Arbiter, the Eskimos [== Jesus’s Pharisees] used the War on Terror to secretly slaughter the Middle Eastern Christians. The Eskimos [like Wolfowitz and Frum] purged 1.5 million Christians from Iraq and oversaw the Death Sentence which was issued to Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan, the Eskimos [like Kristol] supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the Eskimos [like Blumenthal] supported the murder of Ghaddafi, and the Eskimos created ISIS in order to mop up any remaining Christians whom they hadn’t already slaughtered in that neck of the woods [notice how ISIS always marches AWAY from Judea & Samaria, and only posts video of CHRISTIANS being slaughtered].
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arbiter, i am curious about a few things, would you mind answering? 1) when do you think people stopped believing in magic controlling things, or did they? was there someone responsible for that? i.e. dawkins? 2) would you say jewish diasporas generally did not occur until after Jesus’ time? 3) why did you mention people might want to get around the fact that Jews in the Bible were Jews? Did Jewish people invent Christianity as part of a larger conspiracy? Can you elaborate on that? relating to 2, did Jews spread Christianity to Europe?
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No. The lines of the Ancient Greeks and Romans survived in England and France. The English who built the British empire are the descendants of the Roman empire. An area of Northern France, during the middle ages, turned out more geniuses than anywhere else at the time, just like ancient Greece.
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Arbiter,
For the sake of your scepticism, I encourage you to check out the Fatima prophecy and an event known as the Miracle of the Sun.
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The Seleucids refused to mix with the Persians very much and this caused friction with the locals, who saw the Macedonians as barbarians. It was why they were overthrown. Their empire lasted about 200 years, the usual ten generations. alexander’s conquests broke up into three Empires-the Largest was the Seleucid, which was about 2/3s of the Persian Empire. Ptolemy got Egypt and Alexander’s son ruled Macedonia under a regent until he was overthrown and replaced.
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All of those allegedly “Muslim” intellectual inventions and innovations were actually created by the Seleucids!
Those rat-like desert apes/camel jockeys could only steal and mimic true intellectual thought, not create it!
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Socrates lamented that Greeks in his time were turning darker. And then Alexander the “Great” took the Middle East and gave them all free migration to Greece, which is all they ever wanted. Greece eventually weakened and Rome took over.
Julius Caesar was blond, something you won’t see in Rome the TV series. In that series they use modern-day Italians as extras, which makes you think: maybe some day there will be a TV series about swarthy European settlers coming over with the Mayflower, with Black settlers here and there as the voice of reason.
Clovis and Charlemagne, later, were also blond, being of the Germanic Frankish stock. But I wasn’t surprised seeing a picture of Charlemagne in a history book with brown hair. Such is the norm.
The Portuguese let in many thousands of Africans into Portugal, but you won’t see them today, as they were completely absorbed into the gene pool. Unsurprising then that Portugal is a zero in the world of science and technology, contributing nothing, as opposed to North European populations of the same size. Ask an honest Portuguese and he will mention a Black ancestor, and note that other Portuguese he know can say the same. Most definitely in southern Portugal.
Nevertheless, these countries could have had decent governments that could have stemmed the darkening and turned things around. But Europeans were not allowed to stop Marxism, so there you go.
As for Greece today: Greek industry workers have wages twice that of Polish industry workers. Plus a sclerotic labor market with labor unions always out to get the owners who build the job-creating factories. Where would you build a factory, in Poland or in Greece? The Greek have better pension deals than Germans, but produce very little. Many Greek retire when they are fifty years old. Corruption is everywhere – you even need to pay a bribe to get your driver’s license, even after passing the test, and people accept this as just the way things are.
Still, under the last government things were turning around ever so slightly. The leftist extremists in Syriza made sure to crush that by ripping up already-agreed-on deals. “Germans should give us relief money for free without asking that we stop spending like crazy! What, Germans refuse? They’re Nazis! Look how they’re causing our poverty!”
Fun fact: The Greek hired Goldman Sachs to hide their debt so they could get into the Eurozone, and so they could get more loans from German banks who otherwise would not have given them. With the Euro replacing the free-falling Drachma they had a stronger currency to buy even more imported goodies with, without having to improve their economy. Anyone could have seen that this borrow-and-spend strategy was heading for a crash, but the Greeks, both leftists and fake Right, seemed to view the economy with African eyes.
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Addendum, map of great mathematicians through history:
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/BirthplaceMaps/MapIndex.html
Look at Britain, France, Germany, Scandinavia – 60, 70, 80 great mathematicians each. Then look at Spain and Portugal. Almost nothing. Except a few Arab names from ancient times.
But how could Italy grow rich? How could Spain? Because they had the Mediterranean. In ancient times it was 22 times less costly to transport goods on the sea than on land. In the pleasant Mediterranean. In the north the sea was cold and unforgiving, and the land was filled with forests that took a thousand years to remove so that there could be enough agriculture to build nations.
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Spain ( as you know ) was occupied by Muslims for seven centuries.
I am no history expert but I would not be surprised if Spanish people before this occupation had more ” white ” features such as blue eyes and blonde hair than they do today.
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I’d say 50-50. Andalusia (southern Spain) has always been rather Mediterranean, being part of the Roman Empire (I was rather pleased on visiting the city to find out that one of my favorite Stoics, Seneca, was born in Cordoba), and then part of various Caliphates. Northern Spain belonged to “the Christian Kings” who were of Frankish relation, and so, quite white. The Moorish/Christian parts were a bit fluid – Roman until the 400s, then the Roman empire split, brief rule by the Visigoths, then various Caliphates from 700-1300, which was ended by the Reconquista with the northern Christian Kings finally expelled the Moors.
So in my experience, the south is quite brown-eyed brown-skinned, and the north rather a bit paler, still quite brown haired (though red and blond occur as well – modern and ancient history are a bit mixed though, wouldn’t judge much there), but blue and green eyes are not uncommon in the north.
Anyone else with Spanish historical knowledge feel free to correct me.
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Canadian Friend: “Spain ( as you know ) was occupied by Muslims for seven centuries.”
Likewise Greece by the Ottomans.
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Have you ever been to Italy? They are very creative and inventive, even today. They are second to none in terms of artisanal crafts. I love going there. They invented most of Western civilization until the 19th century. Italian culture is high western culture. Italy is chaotic and sclerotic, but it is very civilized.
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I would suggest reading the Ancients to find out what ruined Italy. They talk about it more than anything else in the late 2nd century or so. I would submit it was wide spread slavery and the corn dole, brought about by the Latifundia system that ruined the Italian character. In short welfare and all the wealth concentrated in the hands of a few people.
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Italy is chaotic and sclerotic, but it is very civilized.
Actually, you can think of Italy as a Germany (the north) attached to a Mexico (the south).
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Various Goth tribes turned up in Spain after the Roman Empire fell and ran the place for 400 years or so. So blue eyes and blondness doesn’t seem out of the question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Spain#Gothic_Hispania_.285th.E2.80.938th_centuries.29
We can all believe Wikipedia, can’t we?? Well, in this case it’s probably roughly right.
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Carlos Danger seems intent on misdirecting the penetrating gaze of truth from the effect of race on civilization. When he gazes in the mirror I wonder what race he sees staring back?
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Carlos is 75% German and 25% Irish. Carlos lives and works in Germany and speaks fluent German to the point he has to show his US passport to native Germans to get them to believe he is not German. Carlos is pasty White except when he lives in Alabama and doesn’t wear his shirt very much. Carlos is also very well read in the Ancient historians and would like to point out what they say was the problem. These same historians usually speak reverently of the Ancient Germans. Carlos likes and respects ancient Rome and admires their aristocratic thinkers like Tacitus. That is why he thinks they’re opinions are worth sharing on this subject, particularly when the knock on effects are still visible today.
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*their opinions
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The gift of the Spaniards is expansion and exploration and what that needs: social organization, philosophy, art, cunning diplomacy and hard partying. They leave staff sciences to Germanics, Jews, whoever handles the technical details. Until a few years ago when they joined the EU (which was founded by a Libertarian Spaniard) their school texts said their national mission was to Evangelize the earth. Their national motto is ‘nothing beyond us.’ F*ck!
We are Spanish civilization. They gave us the first modern Encyclopedias and novels, modern democracy, started Liberalism, smashed the Turks, spread Christianity worldwide, spread themselves like topsy, gave us the helicopter and proposals for warp travel, saved the US during the revolution, abolished their armies for guerilla warfare, are the only country that had the balls to confront first Islam then Christian nuts then commies head-on in the field and win, and now are spreading Liberalism and their way of running governmentless philosopher-worker eco-villages, Libertarianism in every goddam country.
Not to mention they’re behind most dance crazes and favorite foods in the US, from Tacos to surf and turf.
The head of the world Libertarian movement BTW is a hyper-genius 200 IQ 6’4″ tough-guy Britanno-Spaniard descended from Matthew Gilson (William the Conqueror’s champion) and whose family has been in the US from the early 1600’s, El Cid and Pelayo and member of it’s famed Gilson-Lemos-Lee clan who was Reagan’s personal representative in bringing down communism then the Latin dictators. His branch specializes in marrying smart and kind but absolutely ruthless. I’ve met his relatives and they think in terms of centuries. I mean they discuss stuff like colonizing the stars and have even persuaded NASA to start a project. They openly say they’re carrying out Jefferson’s Empire of Liberty with a Spanish twist and creating a high-IQ population (they call it SMILE).
Their greatest strength is they’re so obvious they’re ignored and people make silly posts like the foregoing. We worry about Chinese trade and Mexican immigration. They worry about making China a low-population well-behaved Libertarian state and increasing Celti-nordics via genetic engineering along with open immigration. Argentina has open borders but then sends people out to North Europe and encourages them to live there. Why can’t we do that?
Yeah, the Spaniards made some goofs like the Inquisition, but they’re 1/3rd of the West, are spreading into China, are spreading their Libertarian virus to Islamic countries (Arab Spring) and Africa with the US-Canada as their favored workaholic pet IMHO.
Look at their site http://www.libertarianinternational.org . El Cid’s descendants are ruthless, smart, alive and well and will out-think us all–as they have every civilization since El Cid’s time. They’re gone, but the Spaniards and groups like the Lemos are still there and discuss if the US should make Russia our 51st state and the Moon the 52nd while the Spaniards make the rest of the world behave…
They do the math, not get awards for it.
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> “Socrates lamented that Greeks in his time were turning darker.” ——— Socrates had one child, Lamprocles, by his wife Xanthippe. Plato [== Phag-toe] had no children [to the best of my knowledge]. Aristotle had a son, Nichomachus, by his wife, and a daughter, Pythias, by a slave girl. For their lines to have survived, those three men should have had at least six children between them, and preferably more like nine.
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Point Being: THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE BABEEZ MAKE THE FUTURE. You can either get busy making babeez, or else you can get busy going extinct.
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Neoplatonism is way overrated.
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Obviously Cap’n (is that you, Captain Obvious?): “with all respect” (but seriously!), the books of Plato and Aristotle have left a vast, indelible impact on all subsequent civilization and remain a vernal font of wisdom.
While I accept absolutely that low fertility in the( true) aristocracy is a civilization-killing peril, a decadent tendency we should, more than ever, seek to reverse (as we understand, better than ever, its devastating effects), there is a point where Fertility Uber Alles becomes a reductio ad absurdum. Humanity doesn’t only progress by making more of the smart humans– sometimes the apex smart humans, those of incomparable, world historic genius, have to be allowed to maximize their creative efforts– sans wife and children, as required.
And frankly there is no real precedent, as far as I can tell, for one World-Historical Genius having a child who also is a World Historical Genius. Some of Bach’s sons made some damn good music, but not like J. S. Bach. Charles Martel and Genghis Khan and John Adams left formidable lineages, I grant; and in any event a large and noble family of means and respectability is always a fine thing, worth preserving.
But there is no reason to believe that Plato would have benefited the world better by putting off writing the Theatetus to knock up some noble wench on the odd chance that some Plato Gene would give the world four or five more Plotinuses four or five hundred years down the road.
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“but the Greeks, both leftists and fake Right, seemed to view the economy with African eyes.”
After doing a three month assignment there with a bank I came to a similar conclusion. Might extend it to African/Arab/Indian eyes.
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Too bad it’s only swarthier Europeans actually fighting for the preservation of Europe, these days.
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Oh, they are? You know nothing about European nationalist parties and organizations, that’s obvious.
And it’s funny how every time someone points out the lack of accomplishments in darkened southern Europe, someone will try to change the subject. Nationalism. “Alpha” and SWPLs. Whatever.
Funny how those macho cultures still let in mass immigration. So no, you can’t claim even that. And they are very eager to send immigrants to northern Europe, with Italy even transporting them northward – so what they are “fighting” for seems to be the destruction of the hated North Europeans, same struggle as the Tribe, the Arabs, the Africans. Swarthies of the world, unite!
And Marxism is everywhere in southern European politics, so again, no.
And 39 percent of Spanish men visit prostitutes, with 300 000 prostitutes in the country. That’s 1.3 percent of the female population. There’s something seriously wrong with that. Though most of the prostitutes are of course South Americans and Balkanese.
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The Spanish empire is no accomplishment?
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Arbiter,
it’s not so much hatred as simply not wanting the problem and trying to pass it off. They do see the North as the source for this kind of pro- one world idiocy, however, and I would have to agree with them on that count. Southern Europeans seem to understand more viscerally that this is about their survival. Northern Europe has far more head in the sand lefties on this issue than the South does.
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I am still waiting for the anglo Lepanto.
Historically it has been the meds and slavs, with ocasional german help, to protect Europe from Islam.
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Anglos were better about racial hygiene. The one-drop-rule kept North America purely White, with mixed-blood people reverted to black. This prevented the Latin American mestisaje up here.
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The historical descriptions of the early Roman emperors were that they were blonde or red haired with blue or grey eyes. After they built their empire, the Romans they got immigrants from all over the empire, which is probably how they got their current dark pigments.
“Of the 18 Emperors from Augustus to Commodus: 9 had blond or red hair; 5 had grey or white hair; 3 had no recorded hair colour, and just 1 (Hadrian), was referred to as dark-haired.
Of the 18 Emperors from Augustus to Commodus: 9 had blue or grey eyes; 2 had “wine-coloured eyes” (whatever that may mean), and 7 had no recorded eye colour.”
Source: http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/romanemperors.htm
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“We asked German archaeologist Vinzenz Brinkmann, who has pioneered techniques of color restoration, to create a photomechanical reconstruction—never before published—of the first-century A.D. Roman Lovatelli Venus. It was excavated from the ruins of a villa in Pompeii. Unlike most ancient statues, this one gave Brinkmann a head start, because copious evidence of original paint survived.”
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/bringing-the-color-back-to-ancient-greece-80032254/#
Aphrodite was BLONDE.
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people dye their hair blond to hide the gray.
same as it ever was
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Any Ancient Greek tribe claiming Doric heritage were Celtic in origin and generally had red and blonde hair.
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That statue dates to the first century AD, quite a ways into Roman history and is hardly indicative of how Aphrodite was historically or originally depicted.
But yeah, don’t listen to me, cite Arthur Kemp, a man who’s been known for well over 10 years now to be a lunatic and a charlatan who’s own children hate him (he among other things used to read his fairy tale history to them) and that modern Italians are racially mixed, virtually no indigenous European person has olive skin, that there’s no way even then the Ancient Greco-Romans naturally had light hair eye colors among them etc.
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This is firmly in the realm of the impossible. Ask Razib. The barbarians who invaded the crumbling Roman Empire were largely northern European in origin (e.g., the Lombards originated in Sweden). The modern Greeks have a good deal of Slavic admixture. If anything, with the exception of the Spaniards and Portuguese (which were affected by Muslim rule), Southern Europeans today are Whiter than they were two thousand years ago.
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The early Greeks and Romans were lighter. Then they had dark immigration. Then came the Germanic tribes. Which is the reason why Germanic-inhabited northern Italy is the economic power house, while Sicily is a basket case.
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From where did they have dark immigration? Portugal and Spain, definitely, but Greece and Italy?
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The Greeks and later the Romans were demographically swamped by their slaves.
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What a horrible institution slavery has been. The irony is it was probably a good deal overall the blacks and horrible for the whites.
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Most of the Greek and Roman slaves were White- 95% or better I would guess. Greek slaves were generally other Greeks or neighboring countries- all white. Roman slaves were mostly Greek, Assyrian, Celtic, or Germanic. Ethiopia being the only true source of black skin as we think of it. Even the Moors, who were originally from what we call Morrocco now, were simply darker skinned, like modern Algerians and Morroccans today. If anything, the admixture of slaves would have made them whiter.
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You have been brainwashed. Good article here: http://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/
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Blue eyes are not unheard of in the Middle East (e.g., Assad). Blonde hair is more characteristically a northern European trait, originating there only in the last five-six thousand years. Look at these faces:
Clearly, there’s some blonde hair in the present Greek population distribution.
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Pithom, you didn’t read the article. The invaders, four waves, were from the north.
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@pithom
You’re about 6 months late with your ‘average women of region x’ photo mix. Regular Chateau readers have already discussed it.
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razib is a faggot
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I’m sure Razib Khan will chime in on this at some point. But “Northern” & “Southern European” had completely different meanings back then.
Indeed, White Europeans as we know them today are only about 4,000 years old.
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I don’t think the difference has changed so very much in 4,000 years, Jayman. For all that time the difference has been: Northern = lots of Steppe/Plain herder-warrior origins, Southern = Mediterranean farmer origins. I think the only major difference over that time has been a mixing trend. 4,000 years ago, Northern was probably 80% WHG/ANA and 20% EEF, whereas Southern was nearly 100% EEF. Now Northern is about 50/50 and Southern about 20/80. Except for Sardinia 🙂
Now, BEFORE 4,000 years ago and the Corded Ware horizon, Northern was a very different story, so I agree with that threshold.
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There are many references to blonde, fair haired blue eyed people in Greek literature. Of course Greece has bore the brunt of invasions from the near East, so that has diluted thier whiteness significantly. Ditto Southern Italy, Spain, and Portugul.
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Greece has also had admixture from the Slav countries, which has boosted their whiteness significantly.
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Achilles was blond.
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Satan was blond
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@ Anonymous: Yes, goof ball, Satan probably was blond, because most of the ANGELS (those alien life forms that gave life to us Aryans) were, and are, blond haired and blue eyed, for the most part. A fallen angel is still far better than a negro humanoid.
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Arthur Kemp’s work is problematic and includes some outright lies. That said, I don’t think myself it’s assumed by (admittedly increasingly rare) properly educated people as opposed to historical illiterates that the Greeks and Romans were not European.
Respectfully, one has to be cautious about these arguments because the line of reasoning behind them can easily be turned against non-elite whites. Some commentators such as Charles Murray have already done it. Socio-economic factors matter a lot, too. Acknowledging that fact doesn’t mean denying race is real.
These kinds of discussions can also fuel the kind of in-group divisiveness that is killing us.
Golden Dawn has the best model going in the world. They’re clearly doing something right.
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there are STILL blonde haired blue eyed greeks
and western Europe is just as if not more fucked. At least the greeks and Italians are getting cucked by blacks/browns to a far lesser degree.
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This is going to be an unpopular comment: But the Jews managed to take a patch of desert and turn it into one of the most fertile, militarily advantageous and heavily sought pieces of real estate in the world.
And apparently they control everyone and you’re a cuck if you don’t hate them (guess that makes me a double cuck because I’m married), so they must be pretty smart.
Everyone is trying to destroy the Jews, I say intermarry and make sure your children have some of that inborn world-domination Jew Talent the WN’s are so scared of.
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Jewish Girls aren’t very pretty and seem to have a problem with oral sex. I prefer to overthrow the parasites and breath freely again.
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The Israelis have indeed done that and deserve much credit. However don’t overlook the fact that they’ve managed to extract untold billions from the unfortunate German taxpayers and still get the annual $3 billion cheque from the ZOG in America.Every little bit helps.
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The drug cartels live like kings… but I don’t want to sell dope and murder anyone.
What was your point again? The shrewdness and networking of the tribe makes for ‘talent’?
And who’s afraid of who, Schlomo? You hebes are the ones trying to prevent us from feelings of community and kinship, not vice versa.
Do not mistake our disdain of your envy of us and skullduggery towards us as “fear”. Call it by its real name of ‘righteous anger, since you fancy yourselves intelligent.
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I’m actually not Jewish. Just making an observation. But please, don’t let me get in the way of your blind hate.
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There’s a DNA test for that.
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Ummm. . . any proof for this claim?
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Read the linked article champ.
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Let’s not pit White brother against White brother now.
Ancient Aryanology notwithstanding, nowadays the Mediterranean, Alpine, and Nordic branches of the Caucasian race had better hang together, lest we all hang separately.
Eastern, Southern, Central, Western and Northern Europeans, you are all brothers to me, if you hold by the 14 Words.
Better yet if you internalize them: I must secure the existence of MY people and a future for White children.
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That’s what Nietzsche meant by “good European”. The whole path forward out of this multicultural morass is through Nietzsche. Under the banner of the will to power, you can even integrate the Jews (the ones who are willing to give up their slave morality, anyway) into the fold. The insights from the section on Peoples and Fatherlands in Beyond Good and Evil should serve as the model.
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Relevant- Birth of Tragedy for pointers on the true “Greek” art.
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No, Jews are Semites, they’re Middle Easterners. There’s no question of heavy non-white genetics there, it’s confirmed that they’re there. Even Jews who are good people which I know do exist still should not be in a white society.
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Not that I advocate any violence or taking anyone’s property who’s Jewish & a decent person I’m just saying – they aren’t European. The ones who are actively involved in anti-white treachery that results in violence for us should be charged with crimes eventually.
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Solidarity is not a part of their philosophy. Hedonism and me-first solipsism — and even the worship of narcissism and sociopathy! — are at odds with the kind of communio that can face down the threat. Cooperation is antithetical to the core of their thinking.
Diabolein means “to scatter.” It is the root of the words “diabolical” and “diablo.” Satan scatters, and the scattered wither in isolation, separated from the source of life. The Lord brings freedom, individuality, and the life abundant through the unity of his body. cf. 1 Corinthians 12:12-31
You speak, but they lack ears to hear.
Matt
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And who are “they”?
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Our brothers who want to hang onto their hedonism. Particularly those who mistake hedonism as the mark of freedom rather than its opposite.
It’s only natural. When it comes time to “give up childish things,” we want to hang on to the ways of our former slavery, thinking we can sneak in secret chains under our sleeves into the land of the free.
“Lord, grant me chastity and continence, but not yet.”
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Lack of unity is what brought the Armenian Kingdom to the ground. Likewise the entirety of the Byzantine Empire, the fall of which gave rise to the Ottoman Empire, which in turn gave us the vermin we call Turks today. As an Armenian, I don’t really care if I’m considered white or not by the Aryan movement. But I’ve read enough history about Anatolia, the Caucasus, and Eastern Europe to know that nitpicking who you’ll defend as your kin and who you ignore is what allowed Turkish and Arab presence in those regions in the first place. Today, Armenia is about 98% homogeneous with Russians, Georgians, and Ukrainians being the minority, as opposed to our Georgian neighbors who have open relationships with Turkey and Azerbaijan in an attempt to spite Russia. But by the time Armenia learned its lesson, it was reduced to a small landlocked area surrounded by Muslim enemies and left in a tug of war between US and Russian politics.
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Armenians are the very oldest Christians. You are closely related to Iranians and have long intermarried with them since Ancient times. We owe the stirrup, the high backed saddle, armored knights and lances to you. I consider you part of the Club.
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Thank you. This is precisely what allows Uh’s new friends to divide and conquer us.
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Don’t be such a paranoid little shit.
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I don’t think you’re the same guy. You’re a sock puppet.
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Compare the avatars. It’s the same fellow.
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Yes, someone had to say it. All Europeans are threatened wherever we live, be it in our colonies or in our ancestral lands. We therefore have to stick together to fend off out genocide.
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Greg
Seems like a new batch of pot stirrers ’round these parts lately. Several of my favorite sites, now that I think about it.
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Yeah… the fact that the chateau tolerates some of the more obtuse and obvious shills sticks in my craw…
Still, from even a year or two ago, there are now many, many more voices here, putting them in their place, which is heartening.
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“the fact that the chateau tolerates some of the more obtuse and obvious shills sticks in my craw”
Unpaid blogging is a hobby; projecting my own personality onto a blogger here, I’d lose motivation to post new material if the hobby became a chore. Policing comments — not at my own whim, but on commenters’ expectations — would start to feel like a chore.
Trolls are a nuisance, certainly. But they’re part of the medium and we have adapted to them in various ways, minimizing their effectiveness in disinformation or disruption.
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Also, does anyone remember the Islamic Golden Age? Or how Indians, Egyptians, Pakistanis, Iraqis, and Native Americans managed to build great monuments and make great discoveries? Yeah, I know some of these are exaggerated, but they still show that high average person IQ is not required for large civilizational achievements.
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Don’t you know? The fact that muzzies used to be far more skilled at science in the past is a figment of shitlib imagination.
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It absolutely is a figment of your imagination. The best that can be said is they preserved the words of the West while she was in upheaval, particularly Aristotle, as magical incantations. They neither understood the nature of philosophy and science nor expanded on them, but in recognizing their power, they transliterated them exactly (not unlike their approach to the Q’ü’ar’á’ñ).
Even the great “contribution” of “Arabic” numerals was borrowed from the Hindus.
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Relative to the rest of the world, they were.
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Before they became Muslims they could maintain their concentration to achieve scientific achievements. After they became Muslims they kept having their train of thought interrupted five times a day by the call to prayer.
Sort of like Kurt Vonnegut’s short story Harrison Bergeron where smarter people had to wear gadgets that would frequently give off alarm bells so they couldn’t think straight for more than a minute or so depending on their intelligence. This was done so all would be of equal intelligence.
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Okay, folks… let it be known henceforth:
1) There are remarkable individuals to be found in all peoples.
2) That zero thingy is damn handy.
3) There are even retards and fuck-ups to be found on the planet with blue eyes and blonde hair.
Okay? (((shakin’ mah haid)))
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islamic golden age = when the muslims invaded europe and took credit for the intellectual achievements of the conquered europeans.
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Mostly true, but still shows there were some smart people in the Arab world with the intellectual capacity to understand those achievements.
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Boy am I proud to be Northern German
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As an Italian, I’m sorry about WW1and WW2.
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me too!!!
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Beer? where?…oh… that is what is blocking my view of the nice breasts.
hehehe…
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has there ever been a blond president of the United States?
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The Chinks need to be mentioned too. They invented many things even before whites. YT just used those inventions better.
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God bless General Tso!
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I think I’ll have Chinese food tonight.
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If you know the history of inventions you will see that each invention was built upon hundreds (at least) of earlier inventions and subsequently the new inventions were used to make more inventions.
The Chinese inventions just appeared out of nowhere and there were no subsequent improvements. They didn’t even think of using gunpowder to hurl an object.
Sounds more like that they found inventions from earlier civilizations, perhaps from the blond mummies of western China.
If the white race disappears some other race will take credit for everything whites have invented.
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while western literature exalted the independent, rebellious individual in the form of Achilles, Socrates, and Jesus, the asians did not.
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Some contend that the first emperor of China bore the name Huang-ti (黄帝), “Yellow Emperor”, because of the color of his hair, not the color of his skin (which, had it been “yellow”, would not have been remarkable in China at any time). Chinese also contains a barely-visible substratum of Indo-European words for things that have been borrowed over the millennia.
Many if not most of the words in this speculative article by Tsung-tung Chang might ultimately turn out to be coincidences, but a lot of them are probably genuine ancient borrowings from the West:
http://sino-platonic.org/complete/spp007_old_chinese.pdf
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The Chinese were about 2,500 years ahead of us until the 17th century. They have been by far the most advanced society for most of history.
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The Chinese had their moment, but they went downhill from about 1000AD to 1950 or so. Literally GDP/capita declined over that period. They were never anything like 2500 years ahead. That would mean they had todays technology in 500BC. Maybe they were 20 years ahead at one point.
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They had several million population cities in 500 BC and were rerouting the Yellow and Wei rivers for flood, transportation and irrigation projects in 2500 BC to support major population centers and industrial complexes. The Mandarin testing system was first started over 2000 years ago. 2500 years was an exaggeration but they started out with that much advantage and frittered it away over the next 3500 years. Twenty years is ridiculous.
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That never happened. The Chinese can had a lot of invents but they never know how they work, they never had science. For example the powder, they have never undertand the underlying chemical mechanism .They were finding a life span potion. Or metallurgy, some metallurgy process was invented in China roughly 2000 years before, but they never know how iron and carbon molecules interact. In Europe the same technological method was achieved when whites develop the science and they started to know how is the molecular world and then applied science to technology. Chinese inventions are like “test it to see if it works”.
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http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/the-mysterious-european-mummies-of-china/
Thanks for playing, Hiroshima!
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Did they really? The bodies of many red headed people dating back before the ‘silk road’ have been uncovered in China. The Chinese government has started to hush this up though.
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They look like Nogs to me.
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Any film that gets green-lighted these days will invariable contain headcase material.
Thanks for giving it legs… you fairy.
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Suck on your butt-plug Gregory
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Keep your homoerotic fantasies to yourself, asshole… as well as your insipid film recommendations.
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I am an asshole…you got that right.
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Avaunt, you fairy. You might want to consider auto-fellatio.
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What’s auto-fellatio closet-boy?
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=autofellatio
Now, avaunt.
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I appreciate an imposter handling my light work for me, but check the avatars for the genuine article Eliot.
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You could have just sent a selfie from your Rentboy.com account.
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GTFO.
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Horrible degenerate film
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As a Sicilian, I’m deeply offended! Check your privilege, Heartiste!
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In the Iliad, Menelaus , King of Sparta , is described as having red hair, Athena has grey eyes, and Hera has white arms.
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Man often creates God(s) in his own image.
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In the Odyssey various people are described as fair headed and Athene is ‘white armed’.
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they had leprosy
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All the good Greeks died in WWII. 10% of their population was killed fighting in the resistance against Hitler, a culling mechanism that weeded out the brave, noble, and good. All that’s left are the cowards and fat little gyro stand owners.
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That why Albania has the name that is has. It was once populated by largely white people.
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Its worth keeping in mind that a huge fraction of western progress was contributed by Jews.
We put the commune in communism, but we also put the capital in capitalism.
The modern notion of human rights is due to Spinoza, and it was so controversial he had to publish it posthumously. Locke got it from him.
We invented Las Vegas, Hollywood, and the atom bomb.
We wrote the Old Testament, and the New.
Western culture and technology would be vastly degraded without Jewish contributions.
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It’s no real surprise that European Jewry contributed a lot to civilization, because – this may shock you – they are European. Though the oral rabbinical traditions certainly gave them an edge in all important areas of learning.
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They are genetically distinct.
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Cousins of the Arabs, not Europeans. I.E. “You’re an anti-Semite!” Semites are both Jews and Arabs. Both do the Kosher/Halah thing with their food where you gotta kill the animal in a cruel fashion deliberately. Both practice genital mutilation on children. Both very clannish, the similarities are there. Look at Jerry Seinfeld’s kids for example, very Middle Eastern looking.
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A vaccine and a few neat Broadway musicals don’t make up for the mayhem, Schlomo.
And let’s not go crazy about human rights… Aurelius, the writers of the Magna Carta, and a few other folks might have something to say about that topic.
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“A vaccine and a few neat Broadway musicals don’t make up for the mayhem, Schlomo.”
Lolz. right.
Oh and fiat banking, meta-macro economic deception, cultural marxism…and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Well…it is kind of funny.
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Scandinavian countries had elected parliaments long before Spinoza, and Viking wives had the human right to be able to divorce their husbands.
Also the Magna Carta was in 1215 A.D.
I’m beginning to think the comment section is heavily trolled by Satan’s minions.
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Communism, Las Vegas, Hollywood, the atom bomb, and the absurd notion of “human rights”::Only a jew would count these as net gains for civilization. Lets just conveniently ignore the countless millions who’ve died and suffered thanks to the shitty ideas and actions of that desert tribe of liars and schemers.
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Its just a few examples. We are a third of the nobel prizes, for example.
Without Jewish contributions, you’d be living in the middle ages my friend, at best.
In fact, it was the Jewish covenant with God, where He made a promise not even he would break, that gives us the notion that the world is understandable, and we should seek to understand it. Without that break-through, and arguably most Muslims don’t feel that way to this day, we’d still be in the stone-age.
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It helps a lot when your tribe controls the narrative.
There was a recent push to get Robert Zimmerman a nobel for literature.
And then there was that Peace Prize for the likes of Kissinger, Begin, and useful idiots like Obama, and, well….
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What on Earth? Before Jews even came on the scene Egyptians, Minoans, Sumerians, and Babylonians (and Chinese and Indians for that matter) had built advanced civilizations. They didn’t need Habiru Bedouins to hold their hands. The Greeks and Romans weren’t influenced by them at all. They were kept in ghettos in Europe up until the “enlightenment.” They didn’t discover the scientific method. In fact Jews don’t believe in reason at all; they are dogmatists.
It’s 20% of Nobel Prizes, by the way, not a third. Whites win 70% of them and I don’t know how someone can derive a feeling of superiority from losing by over 3 to 1. I wait I know, “muh per capita, muh per capita!”
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@natphilosopherJoo
“Without Jewish contributions, you’d be living in the middle ages my friend”
Of course conveniently dismissing Ashkenazi Joose that have Germanic admixture.
It was clearly the YKW expressed genes responsible for the great achievements and when they did horrible things it was the ‘white’ DNA.
Meh…damn shylock
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“Of course conveniently dismissing Ashkenazi Joose that have Germanic admixture.
It was clearly the YKW expressed genes responsible for the great achievements and when they did horrible things it was the ‘white’ DNA. ”
That’s what I was saying a few comments above. @natphilosopher
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If the Germans had followed Nietzsche’s advice and made common cause with the Jews (the anti-Marxist ones, it should go without saying), the world would be a much different place today. Bolshevism would have been strangled in the grave, for one. There may have still been mass murder of some Jews, but it would have been the Adornos of the world that would have been the focus, not Jews in general.
It’s not my area of expertise, but I have read a lot of German literature from prior to WWI and my take is that the Jews looked upon the Germans almost as a younger brother who was just a little bit more accomplished and worldly and they wanted to be like him, even though they (the Jews) were the older brother.
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Bolshevism is not a grass roots movement. It was very much financed and supported by the central banking cabal. But atheist J-ws seem to take to it like mother’s milk and Bolshevism is a J-wish movement to bring about world J-wish supremacy. It was the plot of the Judeo Masonic conspiracy, the same one that brought us the French and Russian revolutions, the two world wars and will be putting RFID chips in your hand before its over. Bolshevism is why the Germans killed YKW in the first place.The future nobility that will be putting those chips in your hands will be mostly J-wish in ethncity, about 85%.
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Agree 100% on the origins of Bolshevism. My contention is it could have been stopped if the Germans had been able to integrate the Jews into their society better. The better Jews of the day were basically begging to be integrated. Think of a man like Edmund Husserl. Do you think he didn’t realize that Judaism and Jewishness was something best left to the past and that the path forward was through integration?
Nietzsche’s formulation for the Ubermensch was “Caesar with the soul of Christ”. Pretty plain there is a Jewish element in there.
Yeah, there are a bunch of Tim Wise type Jews who are a drag on civilization, but that’s not all Jews.
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Common cause? The Jews have an inferiority complex and want us dead. They hate us. The notion of working with them is absolutely insane. The Germans tolerated them and got reamed in the ass for it. In the United States, we gave them the sweetest ride in history– no pogroms, let them take over everything– and what did we get? Genocide. Are we supposed to be even nicer to them? Just to die even faster? I don’t care about any hypothetical “good Jews,” either, like the ones in Jared Taylor’s stable who get up and talmudically talk in circles for hours. They contribute nothing. I’m done. Jews have to be put in their place or expelled. That’s it.
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The Germans accommodated the J!ws who fled Russia after the failed 1905 Revolution and looked what happened to the Germans from 1917 to 1933 thanks to the J!ws
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Jews were just dying to integrate with Germans??
“Jews were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks. They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses. Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their ‘race’. At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins. In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students. In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%.” http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2013/04/food-for-thought.html
This did not stop their leaders stabbing Germany in the back in 1916.
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The “Caesar with the soul of Christ” is the Roman Church.
Cf. Urban II at Claremont:
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Not all Jews want the West dead. It’s an overstatement to claim that. A lot of them realize Western civilization is superior and many of them have made meaningful contributions, although in the main Western civilization lives and dies on the contributions of Europeans, of course.
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Then why do you go to such lengths to destroy it now? Communism is a sin that can never be compensated for.
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My point is, we didn’t just invent communism, we invented much of everything. The good and the bad. If you think there has been progress overall in the last 4000 years, you should thank the Jews.
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Tell me another whopper. You have invented very little and it is you who would be living in the Middle Ages without us. You guys always show up at our door steps for some reason like your BFF the Africans.
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“we invented much of everything”
Lying filth. You invent novel ways of corrupting and exploiting healthy societies by ensconsing yourself at its choke points and amplifying its structural vulnerabilities.
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Get real. I listed a bunch of stuff. I recently saw a list of 10 companies making breakthroughs in Health technology, and virtually all were Israeli.
More patents are filed in Israel every year than in India, Russia, and the entire Islamic world combined.
But its not just science and medicine. Literature, art, philosophy, economics, film, you name it. Without Jewish contributions you’d basically be living in central Africa.
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Sorry, nat… a few neat Broadway musicals and a vaccine don’t make up for the mayhem.
Or are you one of those (ahem) culture vultures who would compare Mendelsohn with Wagner, and Mahler with Beethoven?
Or Philip Roth with John Gardner… or Singer with Dostoevsky… or Wouk with Goethe?
Or Chagal with Michelangelo?
Give me a very LARGE break. :duckface
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To Nat Phil
In other words, the Zhoos are a full fledged part of the American elite (by means of their successes).
The thing is, a lot of ordinary white-ish Americans are more and more suspecting that the the American elite as a whole basically hates them and wants to reduce and subjugate them as a class/tribe. Or worse. And forms associations in their minds.
This association would be a lot less reasonable and unfair if there were more audible voices coming from the tribe against multi-cult, Disney – slutification of young girls, culture-hate of white males, open borders with a hostile culture to our south, and so on.
[CH: like i said, a grating incapacity for self-reflection is a characteristic trait of the eskimo.]
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The Jewish elite however hates the West and Christianity and has been at the forefront of socialism, atheism, feminism, and multicult (the new 4 horsemen).
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On the balance, europeans would have been better off without jewish ‘contributions’, especially because we would not have had the entailing problems that jews seem to bring with them whenever they enter a country.
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We would probably have colonies on mars by now as well as very few blacks without all the Jewish slave trading, and no U.S. civil effing war.
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On one side you have Periclean Athens, Augustan Rome, Renaissance Italy, Siglo de Oro Spain, Elizabethan England; on the other you have Gomorrah, Babylon, Weimar Germany, Bolshevik Russia, contemporary America. I’d say it’s better not being poisoned.
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@natphilosopher
When you say ‘we’ do you mean atheist, media/banker/cultmarx JINOs or, like, wailing wall beardy types. Either way, you’ll notice how you don’t get deleted by mods here for speaking freely. Can’t say the same about sites run by yids that delete even the slightest blurt of truth.
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They hate our fucking guts Nat. Get it through your head, you aren’t changing that. If you want to do something useful, move to Israel, get a hot Israeli girlfriend if you aren’t already married, make a bunch of babies, and build something. The rest is just a waste of time.
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I don’t have an opinion on this hypothesis, but a friend that did mission work in Switzerland said people there refer to Italians as the “niggers of Europe”.
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Of course they were fair-haired, it’s not even debatable. Well, I’m unsure whether it’s possible/normal for those ancient, pure populations to be entirely fair-haired, or whether dark hair or even dark eyes are naturally occurring as well. Were there dark-haired people among the barbarian tribes, anyone know?
We also know that the Egyptians and Phoenicians were largely white as well, at least the ruling class. (Don’t ask me for a source, google it yourself and read the badthink websites ya lazy twit.)
The Christian Identity people argue that the ancient Hebrews were as well, and that what we call Jews are the mongrelized offshoot – Edom, I think it is – of the other, purer tribes. (Of course, Ashkenazi are only white today because they heavily mixed with Russians, Poles, Germans, etc.) I’m still skeptical of this claim, I think because I’ve been conditioned to distrust Hebrew. And the connection between Semitic and Indo-European languages is tenuous. CI theorists find connections between Welsh and Hebrew, I dunno how trustworthy they are. On the other hand, the Phoenician alphabet informs both the Semitic and Indo-European alphabets, so maybe.
Speaking of Indo-European, the ruling caste of the Vedic civilization was most assuredly white before they bred themselves into oblivion.
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Um… yeah… Christian Identity is complete horseshit. Please get your information from grown-ups (no offense to you personally) like Alfred Rosenberg, Revilo P. Oliver, William Luther Pierce, Kevin MacDonald, and David Duke. Jews, including the ancient Israelites, are Semites. There is no connection between the Semitic family of languages and Indo-European, just like there is no evidence genetic, cultural, archaeological, in support of any of Christian Identity’s insane mythology. CI came into being because people who were raised Christian (and can’t let go) discovered how evil the Jews are and had to construct a fanciful cathedral of lies to resolve the cognitive dissonance from worshipping a Jewish god and treating a (very shittily written) Jewish book as holy. The whole phenomenon is EXTREMELY sad.
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I’m familiar with half of those names, so thanks for tuning me into the others. The only connection between Semitic and Indo-European that I see has any merit is the fact their alphabets are both derived from the Phoenician. alpha/aleph, beta/betel, gamma/gimel, delta/daleth. But I know that doesn’t mean those nations are connected racially, look at Europe using Arabic numbers for example.
And yes, the Bible is bullshit. It’s about 20% wisdom, 80% nonsense. I took to Christianity early this year after reading the blog Cambria Will Not Yield. However, I saw no churches worthy of respect. And the more I read the thing the less it makes sense.
It’s interesting that every ancient civilization has sacred books and legends, but for some reason only those of the ancient Hebrews have been dogmatically asserted as truth.
It’s also interesting that the Jewish people, from ancient times until now, have no culture. No unique art, no literature other than the bible. There was the temple, I guess, but it was Greco-Roman style. The bible, as well as kabbalah and other mysticism, is their whole deal. Everything else they create is derivative, degenerative, deconstructive (see: modernity).
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The short version of the history of the alphabet is that Phoenicians created theirs based on Egyptian hieratic script which was a sort of cursive hieroglyphic writing. The Phoenicians spread their system around the Mediterranean basin to various peoples including the Hebrews, and the Greeks adapted and improved it by adding characters for vowels. Then it went everywhere. The Phoenicians were Semites of course, but not nearly as loathsome as others.
I agree with you on the lack of Jewish culture. They lose to absolutely everyone. Not just the Greeks and Romans where the gulf is tremendous, but the Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, and Egyptians were also better writers, thinkers, artists, and nation builders than God’s chosen people. What little the Jews have is what they’ve stolen and made worse. For example even the story of Joseph and Potiphar’s Wife is just a crummy, colorless version of the Egyptian Tale of Two Brothers.
Here’s a page dedicated to Revilo P. Oliver:
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/indexold.html
A PDF of his magnus opus, The Jewish Strategy, is right at the top. Happy reading.
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“Were there dark-haired people among the barbarian tribes, anyone know?”
Well, there’s dark haired white people as far up as Scandinavia, do you think they got that due to race mixing or something? Do you think white people used to originally all have ivory white skin with platinum blonde hair and crystal blue eyes?
Well, you’re also considering tenets of CI ideology (insane cultists), so I think you answered your own question (you’re crazy to even ask that.)
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Und jetzt Alle zusammen!
Schwarzbraun ist die Haselnuss,
schwarzbraun bin auch ich, ja ich,
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gerade so wie ich.
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Ich glaube Heino redet von Haarfarbe aber der Witz ist anerkannt.
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I don’t see why it’s insane to consider a new idea, or why you’re sensitive about it. If I’m ignorant about something, I’ll be corrected. Eastern Scandinavia also has Asiatic genes so you never know. But I agree with what you say. And thank you.
As for CI, I think there’s some truth to it as far as Asia Minor and North African civilizations being, at least, more white than not. Look at the Book of Gates illustration below, the Libyan and Asian are Caucasian. But like I said, after reading the bible myself, I have nothing to do with those traditions.
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Here’s another way to look at it. The northern tribes of Europe were barbarians in Roman times, and barely had a civilization while Rome was building roads, plumbing, an extensive government, vast imperial rule, and literature and wisdom that we still look to today. Rome, one of the greatest Empire that ever was (along with England and the U.S. ) had its shot — it ruled the known world for nearly 800 years — but these events are cycles in time.
So the northern / Aryan theory of Romans is a little off.
What’s interesting is that someone did an analysis and found that modern Italians, north and south, with some extremely minor exceptions, are directly related to the Romans of antiquity.
The Moors that swept through southern Europe in the Middle Ages barely touched Italy – they instead made Spain their area of conquest. This ties in with the fact that on one of the HBD sites that did an extensive analysis of European DNA, found that the difference between a Southern Italian and someone from northern Europe (Holland or Denmark was the example I believe) — was something like 3 or 5 points, or whatever it is used to explain DNA differences. The difference in that same example between the northern European and sub-Saharan African was 60 points.
Another thing besides time and cycles of prosperity accounts for the change in Rome’s, and Italy’s fortunes: the subsequent rise and domination of the Catholic Church. Although the Church’s influence is waning, it’s still a big part of the culture (even though Italy now has an all time record number of atheists.)
But Italy has an interesting culture. My mother is from the middle / north, more or less, and my dad, the deep south. As far as appearance goes, my mom is pale, her sisters had/have blond hair, and most of my aunts / uncles from her side burn easy with too much sun. My dad on the other hand, has an olive complexion. So yes, the north has more blond / blue eyed, fair haired, etc, the south, not as much (but they do exist — there are quite a few redheads in the south too).
Although I think northern Italians made up the majority of the Roman elite, racially, they were/are cousins of southern Italians.
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That’s interesting, karmageddon. I never knew the Terroni and Sicilians and were the same as the industrious and culturally alien northern Italians. I’m directly related to Charlemagne, so I must be 100% French.
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Interesting how you call complete fabrication just ‘another way to look at it’…are you a college professor?
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In all seriousness, what’s fabrication in what I wrote?
Are you a college rapist? Or a mattress whore?
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Ariana Grande is probably the most famous Italian ethnic in pop culture (except for Mario Bros, and he is fictional and was created by Japanese) and is pretty swarthy, I don’t see much fairness for White standards.
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You’re not going to get any points for this example. Even if she’s of Italian ancestry, most people probably perceive her as a Latino who has a constant stream of Negros and Latinos in her videos, while involved in shallow Negro inspired music. Not very Italian is it ??
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She’s trash. Can’t even lipsynch convincingly. Also, is Iggy Azaelea an albino black girl? I mean, what the hell is she?
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Ancient Rome was something like 50% slaves. Most of them were barbarians i.e Celts or Germans. The remainder were from all over the empire and interbred heavily with the native Romans, so the study is meaningless.
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Comment unrelated to the post but, none the less, core Heartiste material:
UK Daily Mail –> ‘Put on your lactating fake breasts, bra and lie down’: Inside the bizarre ‘Mr Mommy’ class where men experience the pain of childbirth, BREASTFEEDING and… changing a dirty nappy
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Curious to see a cite in Plato, Xenophon or Aristophanes that has Socrates lamenting the “darkening” of Greece.
Also, Socrates had three sons (Phaedo,) 116b).
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There are those who claim the lute was originally a percussion instrument.
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A hammer dulcimer?
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Disagree. You’re reaching too hard.
Average IQ in the area vs. Nordic countries is about 3 points of difference. (98-99 vs. 102, I think)
Other racial characteristics involving creativity and work ethic (think ice people vs Sun people tropes) have way more impact here.
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yeh, Italy has a higher average IQ than Germany and all the Scandinavian countries
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What next? Is someone going to tell me that the Ancient Egyptians weren’t the black Nubians I was taught about in Middle School? Or that the majority of Israel’s Jewish population didn’t come from the Middle East, and their claim on Palestine is illegitimate? Come on guys, clearly that’s not what we were taught in school. Why would our teachers lie?
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I had to write a report back in fifth grade about the Katyn Forest Massacre, perpetuated by the NAH-ZEEs according to all sources at the time, in which 22K Polish officers, police, and intelligentsia were butchered.
Some twenty years later, I discovered it was the Soviets.
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You can get a good look at Greeks in this Sirtaki flashmob in Birmingham, England. Pretty cool in its own right. The fun begins at 0:45. The first girl to join the leader is smokin’. The girl in the white sweater at 1:51 is how I always pictured Penelope.
There is ugly diversity amidst the police state English onlookers.
[CH: that video is great.]
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You can get a good look at Greeks in this Sirtaki flashmob in Birmingham, England. Pretty cool in its own right. The fun begins at 0 : 4 5. The first girl to join the leader is smokin’. The girl in the white sweater at 1:51 is how I always pictured Penelope.
There is ugly diversity amidst the police state English onlookers.
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Smooth. I like how it all got started.
Tangentially to this, is there flash mob game?
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Where are all the Pakis?
It’s great to look around and see a crowd that looks 90-95% white British.
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Im jacking off as we speak
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Americans are starved for good pussy.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1332636/DNA-tests-Chinese-villagers-green-eyes-descendants-lost-Roman-legion.html
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Crassus’ two lost legions had some men end up in China as mercenaries. This apparently provides physical evidence of that event.
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You must also take into account that many of the hardest working Italians emigrated to America in the latter 19th and early 20th centuries, taking their risk taking and resourceful genetics with them.
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I had a chance to go to Cairo Egypt as a young man and saw the pyramids. There is no way in hell the people running around there now are the descendants of the people that built them.
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there’s an interesting book on the subject (sort-of), i’m not sure it was a wholesale different people
Racial contrasts: distinguishing traits of the Graeco-Latins and Teutons by Albert Gehring 1908
https://ia601409.us.archive.org/1/items/racialcontrasts00gehrgoog/racialcontrasts00gehrgoog_djvu.txt
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I’m with Greg about not pitting White brother against White brother.
Of course, I’m “part cantaloupe” myself, as my mother’s family hails from Sicily (father’s side from Germany). That said, I’m blue-eyed and my skin is just about as “white” as it gets, not counting genetic albinos.
There is no doubt a mix of some Berber / North African Muslim blood in some of the population of Portugal, Spain, Greece, and Italy. In each of these countries, the population in the south is “swarthier” than that in the north; and as a whole each of these countries is “swarthier” than the Germanic/Nordic/Saxon neighbors to the north. But there has been no meaningful influx of “African” blood for centuries, in some cases for a millennium.
The Spanish and Portuguese people of today are of the same blood as those who went out and kicked Moorish, African, and Asian ass across the globe and gave new energy to the forward march of European civilization and dominance.
Portugal in particular was the last European country to fight to maintain dominance over its overseas colonies under the leadership of its last true leader, Salazar, before it was betrayed by it’s “White” ally, America, and its zeal to “free” the dindu nations. Admittedly since the right-wing Salazar was overthrown, Portugal has been a swarthier version of cuckold Sweden, as have most European countries, when it comes to accepting immigration from non-white countries (former colonies in most cases). Much the same has been the case with Spain since Franco departed the scene.
My wife is a European girl of Spanish / Portuguese descent — but she’s green-eyed and fair-skinned as well, as are our kids. Southern Europeans are no doubt at the weaker end of the White race when it comes to organizational ability and most of the other K-selected traits, but in my experience they are also some of the most pro-white anti-dindu people left in Europe (and I vehemently dispute Arbiter’s claim that most Portuguese would admit to a black ancestor; aside from the fact that it’s factually incorrect as a matter of blood-lines, the Portuguese and Spanish I know would scoff at the notion).
Although perhaps not as talented as the raw material in the Nordic and Germanic nations (although there is a great deal of Germanic and Celtic blood in them), I see the southern Europeans as the slightly more machismo, swaggering, admittedly less-talented version of their neighbors to the north. They are allies – and if they’re not “White enough” for you then Whiteness is a lost cause.
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Good post. What is missing in Italy and the other Latin countries is good leadership. Rommel’s Army in the desert war was 2/3s Italian.
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To understand Roman history, you need to begin with the writings of Caesar, Livy and Tacitus. Tacitus clearly describes the Germans as being much more light-skinned than the Romans of the day. In addition, the Roman epic The Aenied describes Rome as being founded by refugees from the Trojan war, which took place in modern-day Turkey. The “Germanification” of the empire, when Germans moved down into southern Europe, took place long after Rome had begun its decline, and accelerated with the invasions of the barbarian tribes. Tacitus is a superb read, and his observations on the “purity” of the Germanic peoples formed part of the basis for Nazi racial theories.
The main item that differentiates successful societies from corrupt ones is the primacy of the rule of law. The early Romans and Greeks were absolutely obsessed with the rule of law, and took extreme measures to prevent autocrats from seizing power. Contrast this with what we have in America today, with a presidency and local politicians that increasingly seek to rule by dictat (“executive orders”) rather than compromise. We are undeniably sliding into an Imperial Presidency, and I see nothing on the horizon that will change our course and steer us back towards true democracy and rule of law.
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Troy was Ionian Greek. Turks are from central Asia and invaded the region in the 11th century and live there today. See the battles of Manzikert and Mirokefilon. Trojan heritage was considered the epitome of noble heritage in the Ancient Greek and Roman world. There is also considerable physical evidence that this was true in the case of Rome. The fall of Troy was a traumatic event in Ancient Greece and triggered a diaspora and collapse of civilization known as the Greek dark ages. Literacy was lost for 400 years. The Palestinians are Mycenian Greek in origin as well. Read the Iliad and the Odyssey. They are really great works and worth every bit of their reputations. They serve as the basis for our value system and in their day defined what it meant to be Greek.
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As much as we would like to think this, there isn’t enough evidence of this.
a) Julius Caesar described Northern Germanics in very derogatory terms, saying they were subhuman, much like what we say about negroes today. He considered them a very different race than himself, while he simultaneously had a lot of praise for Persians.
b) China was more advanced than Europe for many many centuries. So was the Arab world (Saladin, etc.) and Persia.
The only constant fact is that black negroes have always been uncivilized, having never even gotten past the bronze age on their own.
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Ironically, Africa skipped the bronze age and went directly to iron, albeit a lot later. What do you think the Zulu spears were tipped with?
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Arthur Kemp’s work is problematic and includes some outright lies. That said, I don’t think myself it’s assumed by (admittedly increasingly rare) properly educated people as opposed to historical illiterates that the Greeks and Romans were not European..
Respectfully, one has to be cautious about these arguments because the line of reasoning behind them can easily be turned against non-elite whites. Some commentators such as Charles Murray have already done it. Socio-economic factors matter a lot, too. Acknowledging that fact doesn’t mean denying race is real.
These kinds of discussions can also fuel the kind of in-group divisiveness that is killing us.
Golden Dawn has the best model going in the world. They’re clearly doing something right.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Where Whites go there is civilization; where go most other races, savagery.
Do we need any proof than Rhodesia and South Africa, real-time, hard evidence of what happens when Africans take over from what Whites built?
They say our settler ancestors in North America had it tough; I’d trade all of my creature modern comforts in a heartbeat to have what they had: a 100% White, English-speaking Protestant, civilized society where church, family, and hard work were the cornerstones of life; unmolested by government and foreign interlopers, unpolluted by feminism, sodomy, socialism, atheism, and political correctness.
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The evidence presented in the article is anecdotal.Besides there are a lot of drawings of ancient greeks and romans by the contemporary artists which portray them as swarthy southern europeans. There are remains of short,curly haired, crow nosed romans in Pompei. Also it is not hard to genotest the remains of ancient romans (when they managed to test neanderthal bones), and those test show almost full resemblance to modern Italians. The Greeks and Romans were superior back than because Northern Europeans quite literally were rather more primitive (had no large scale organisation between themselves).
Also, nations change. Chinese invented all things possible but became a very primitive, corrupt and poor society at the end of 19 century and whole of the 20 century.And now they are picking up again.
Or take Finns. A developed nation nowadays, but an obscure, poor and military inferior group throughout the whole history of European civilization.
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“The evidence presented in the article is anecdotal.”
The author was alive for thousands of years?
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Wow. Just wow. You dismiss first hand accounts from the time as ‘anecdotal’ and then appeal to modern artistic interpretations…
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Well modern Japanese cartoons picture japs as big and blue eyed.I appeal to genotesting, and findings of perfectly preserved romans in Pompei.
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You have to admit, though, that Pompeii was the Los Vegas of the Roman Era. Not necessarily a proto-typical example of the culture or the phenotype. Likewise, without context, your “perfectly preserved romans” might well be the homo-love-slave “manning” the local gay bath-house.
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Exactly. It’s cyclical. The Germans are the most prosperous people in Europe now, and northern Europe has been at the forefront of innovation for the last several hundred years. But check back again in 500 years and it may be a whole different story.
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What, war has always been the thing we are really good at.
We were complete failures in politics and state construction of course which is why we’ve always fought in someone else’s wars but hey, we’re really good at that.
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A stroke of genius you guys had in the Winter War was to hit the Soviet chow wagons. They are always poorly or undefended and in subzero weather, no food is death.
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Rubbish.Finns paid tribute to Novgorod republic, than Sweden,than St Petersburg and Sweden,than became part of Russian Empire etc.Mind that even modern micro states like Lithuania have been powerful states throughout the history (and even owned colonies in Caribbean like Tobago!) while Finland has NEVER been a proper state till 20 century.All for all,the war and organisation has never been a strong side of Finns.
Don’t get me wrong.I am partly Erzya (Mordvin) myself and history of all finnic nations has always interested me.But let’s be objective here.
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Germans and Slavs have always been masters of Northern and Eastern Europe,not Finns or Balts.
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Caramba, Finns never paid tribute to Novgorod. What the fuck?
You just repeat what I said. The key ingredient we missed was a literate culture good for state construction while Germanic and Slavic found a recipe for spreading such a culture from Christianity (which carried Roman civilization to the north). What exists in Finnish pagan graves is a whole load of warriors equipped with the best gear that you could get in northern Europe – it’s just that all that stuff was used to fight small scale clan wars while Germanic and Slavic peoples around us were moving beyond tribes and constructing states.
Since the states around here were constructed by others and we were brought from tribalism into basically someone else’s state identity, we always ended up fighting for someone else’s state, but we were always good at that. We are not like the Slavic-influenced eastern groups that you may know and for as long as we have written word we have sneered at them and the Slavs for their lack of organization and their ineptitude.
Finns never paid tribute to Swedes. Such nonsense. Finns were a part of Swedish state formation from the start and it seems to be mainly a story of Finnish tribal leaders seeing obvious benefits in literate Latin civilization and converting, learning Latin and becoming integrated in the aristocracy. Of course later (much later) when Sweden started faltering against the Russians things turned sour and Sweden turned towards Swedish ethnonationalism but at first Sweden was a pretty equal deal for Finns.
And we got a good deal in the wars for the first few centuries as Sweden conquered a lot of territory in the east. It was all given to Finns and we got to oppress and de-Slav the Novgorod-influenced Finnic locals into Finnishness, not Swedishness. That’s fair considering how a rather disproportionate amount of Finnish blood was always spilled in the eastern wars.
And we certainly didn’t pay tribute to the Russian Empire. For a century until Nikolai II messed everything up we had the best deal in all of the Empire. The Russian Empire was a much better deal for Finns than it was for Russians. On a few occasions we fought for the Russian Empire too even when we weren’t required to and we were rewarded well by Alexander II. So why not?
I don’t know what this obsession with having an independent state is about. As a part of Sweden we could take part in conquering bits of Russia and expand Finnishness eastwards and had things gone differently we might have expanded westward as a part of Russia but as an independent state we don’t have much chance of expanding Finnishness.
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“Are there any peaceful orderly countries that are predominantly black?”
Smell the butthurt in real 3d through this link…
http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/866882-there-any-peaceful-orderly-countries-predominantly-4.html
Sit back and read through it with popcorn. It’s so fuckin true. I laughed
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ROFL TRULY PATHETIC TO SEE HOW MUCH U NEED THIS TO BE TRUE
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An 1820 drawing of a Book of Gates fresco from the tomb of Seti I, depicting (from left): a Libyan, a Nubian, an Asiatic, and an Egyptian.
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Asians were White back then. This is consistent with what I have learned too.
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A lot of evidence that ancient Greeks and Romans had a fair or even blond upper class (even just the fact that many of their gods and heroes are blond indicates this). On the other hand, the Greeks and Romans of the classical period were already mixed. I would say they were still whiter and blonder than the present inhabitants, especially in Greece, though.
Western civilization got its restart in the Italian Renaissance though. The Italian geniuses of the time in my opinion exceed the geniuses of northern Europe in almost every field, something that was recognized by 19th C German philosophers. Much harder to make the case that the population of Italy has significantly changed since 1500’s. On the other hand it’s still possible their upper classes and geniuses were of ancient Aryan stock.
The same, however, applies to Germany and the North, including the English isles. Nietzsche and others say that the majority of Germany is pre-Aryan. Gobineau says the same for the French. The French revolution was the last great slave revolt of Europe, in which the Aryan upper class was killed off. Modern Europe is returning to its pre-Aryan mediocrity. This is also the real root of feminism and socialism as well as of “beta” behavior among males. It’s not a purely south European problem.
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Two lines from the hyperlinked article jump out at me.
“Silent on the subject” (No way!)
“Scholars…dismiss”. (Really?)
That’s why we need Heartiste, and other alternative sources.
Fucking pathetic. Silent on the subject, lmfao
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What were these superior people with their superior genes waiting until the 19th century for? Why couldn’t they innovate earlier?
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Political unity was first achieved in 1870. However, they have always had a reputation for innovation. Prussia was an amazing country and took very little and made itself a world power based on Calvinism and determination.
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Let’s not forget it was the Germans who ultimately kicked the Romans’ collective asses. That is, after they got fat and lazy after dominating the known world for a few hundred years.
Sound familiar?
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The Germans, by their victories, brought down the Roman Empire… by their defeats, the British Empire.
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These things are complex. The Comanche tribe were nondescript losers until they got hold of horses sometime in the 18th century. THen they dominated all other tribes until the Texas rangers killed them all.
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@ Greg Eliot. Well said, sir, well said.
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It wasn’t exactly that the Germans kicked their ass. It was more like, after hundreds of years of ruling the (known) world, the Romans had military bases all over the world that over extended their power, and at home became completely decadent, with a corresponding loss of military organization. The empire’s power and focus shifted to the Eastern half, Constantinople, and left Rome and Italy itself in a weakened state, after years of decay.
The Goths didn’t invade and sack the Roman Empire… they invaded when the empire had all but rotted away.
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The Barbarians were assimilated more than anything. Odoacer let Romulus retire and sent his signet ring and seal back to Constantinople to inform them there was new management. He was very Romanized, had been raised and educated in Rome, spoke Latin and Greek, had long been Romulus leading advisor and his tribe controlled the Roman army of the day. There was no sacking or plunder and the average person barely noticed the event.
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Who We Are by William Pierce is a good book on this topic
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Co-signed. Also here’s the archive of his radio broadcasts:
https://archive.org/details/DrWilliamPierceAudioArchive308RadioBroadcasts
Fantastic listening at any time day or night.
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lol
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uh,
You were always interesting and one felt immediately that the sham brio of your “kaffir” chatter was mere costume – your voice never had the authentic dullard’s ring, and you were too lean and hungry to sit easily with the slobs in the Biergarten.
n/a
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Part of the explanation could also lie in the fact that the locus of European civilisation has moved gradually northwards as the ice retreated. IOW northern Europeans today might have been more like central Europeans today, who in turn are more like Greeks and Romans were 2000 to 3000 years ago.
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Sorry, disastrous writing. What I meant was that northern Europeans today might have been more like central Europeans 2000 to 3000 years ago while Greeks and Romans were of that time were like today’s central Europeans.
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Also, even the ancient Egyptian Pharaohs and elites were red-haired green-eyed whites before they interbred with the rest of them.
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Ancient Rome was also extremely corrupt and there us a strong resemblance between the contemporary and ancient firm of corruption.
The thesis that the ancient Greeks and Romans were Nordic is not new but seems poorly evidenced.
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I took my 16 YO daughter to Italy for her birthday. Her astute observation, after viewing the Michelangelo marble works, was, “Daddy, I notice the “Italian” people in here viewing these don’t look anything like them.”
#raisingthemright
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The Greeks and Italians are the direct descendants today of the Romans and the Roman Empire, the greatest and longest lasting of all the european empires. The Romans colonized you northern barbarians, and raped your women to produce Greco-Roman bastards, who imitated the technologies of Rome and made up their own pathetic nation states. You nordish nigs are being overwhelmed by muslims today, and all you pathetic former servants of the Empire bitch and moan about your betters and claim everyone better than you is like you. Screw you stupid nordnigglets, you’ve already let the enemy into Europe and ruined the border states trying to stop them. Germs-any and turd-key are two sides of the same racist coin destroying true europe. No better than skopjan slavs claiming to be “Macedonians”. Go to hell where you belong, lying nordnig barbarian scum.
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This troll was too heavy handed.
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If it bleeds, we can kill it: the history shiv loves the taste of troll blood…
Yes, the Romans colonized some of the fragmented northern lands, when they were a vast empire with immense resources, and their enemies were tiny tribes, often centered around a single village.
But what happened when the legions came up against a proper northern army? A sea of Roman blood. That’s why they built Hadrian’s Wall. That’s why they only ever crossed the Rhine once. The legions that did so vanished into the German forest and were never seen again.
As for being the servants of your empire, we conquered it in the 5th Century, and never left. Ever since then we have ruled over you and married your most beautiful women. Yes, married. Unlike you, we don’t need to rape.
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A) Most likely today’s Greeks are not descended from the Greeks of Pericles’ day. They’re descended from the peoples of Asia Minor who were hellenized by the Romans after they conquered the eastern Mediterranean.
B) The ancient Greeks and Romans were every bit the self-destructive basket cases that modern Greeks and Italians are, all you have to do is read up on the history. The ancient Greeks accomplished great things in spite of their own fecklessness, not because they were grand Nordic champions of progress.
C) Anyone who knows anything about Greek history, from Pericles’ day to the Hellenistic period to the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman times, down to their liberation from the Turks and into the present, knows they’ve always been as anarchic and self-destructive as they are now and could have told you what would happen if the EU invited them in.
D) Crack open a book. Not just on ancient history (although Gibbon’s Decline and Fall is a good start), but on low-trust vs. high-trust societies. Try ‘Trust’ by Francis Fukuyama. Greece and southern Italy are low-trust societies. Northern and Central Italy are far more productive and functional than southern Italy and the islands to the south, this has been remarked upon for years. Southern Italy displays all the low-trust attributes that characterize every dysfunctional basket case community that is the Chateau’s bete noire, including the Arabs, Turks, Africans, African-Americans, etc.
E) It has relatively little to do with genetics. Even if today’s Greeks aren’t genetically descended from the classical Greeks, they possess the same culture of egotistical dysfunction passed down via the hellenizing Romans.
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There is a deliberate attempt to push the theory of the origins modern civilisation from the Middle East. It is framed as modern culture expanding from Fertile Crescent and moving out wards rather than the other way.
Recent discoveries at Vinca (Europe) show concrete evidence of proto writing and metallurgy predating Sumer by several Millennia (the history of metallurgy had to be re-written due to this discovery).
Where’s the fanfare, where are the global museum tours (ala the Egyptian antiquities) where’s the global interest?
Here we have concrete evidence of a European civilisation with proto writing and metallurgy from 7000 BC and nary a peep. I wonder why?
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Well, there’s iron smelting found in southern Nigeria dating back to up to 2,000 BC, so…
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Its all the follow on advancement that overshadowed it maybe?
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The downfall of the Greeks was listening to women. The downfall of Rome was integration with arabs.
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The downfall of Rome was feminism and an overextended military, and an out of control debt that began to mount when the Republic became an Empire. See USA, 20th century.
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The downfall of Greece was listening to hot heads who wanted to take don Athens and then once the Peloponnesian War started, the rowers in the fleet were making too much Money to want to stop the war and the Athenian aristocracy made a deal with Sparta and established a dictatorship. Athens bankrupted herself and made Macedonia rich by buying her timber to keep their 200 ships at sea and essentially handed the reigns for Greek dominance to Phillip II of Macedon. It was downhill from there. This anecdote about the rowers in the fleet is why we originally required property to vote.
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Nah, it was texting pics of their dicks that bankrupt them. They charged a fortune for each photo.
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Different Carlos
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Yeah, sure, Perv.
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Baseless speculation? Not what I’ve come to expect from CH. I’m Germanic and would love to be able to lay claim to the success of even ancient empires, but I just don’t see it. In fact, couldn’t it be argued that migration north from Greece, Italy and Israel led to the ascendancy of the Nordic barbarians?
I have no idea, but it’s at least as possible as your idea.
Perhaps we should be careful about pushing racialist superiority. I’ve often said, anyone who thinks the white race is superior should spend one week watching “Cops”!
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Watching cops is equivalent to joining a ZOG re-education camp. A lobotomy would be less painful and just as effective.
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“Perhaps we should be careful about pushing racialist superiority. I’ve often said, anyone who thinks the white race is superior should spend one week watching “Cops”!”
This is stupid. No one is saying that there is any particular race that doesn’t have their own version of niggers. Hell, even blacks have Thomas Sowell and Clearance Thomas (but those blacks are true rarities while whites have countless numbers of people with that level of intellect). My graduate school friends have their intellect. But they’re just ordinary white people. If they were black, they’d be held up to show the “racists” that we’re really all equal. The “we’re all equal” crowd is so laughably selective and full of cognitive dissonance on this subject of racial realism/racial differences. But we all get that there’s white trash. The notion that “white supremacist neo-Nazis” think that all whites are superior to all other individuals of other races is a Jewish-proliferated straw man (as far as I can tell). That’s so evidently not true; but I’ve never run into any serious “racist” who has ever made that absurd claim. The existence of white trailer trash doesn’t magically make all races equal.
People’s migrating patterns show very clearly that people understand race even if they can’t bring themselves to consciously articulate this knowledge.
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“The notion that “white supremacist neo-Nazis” think that all whites are superior to all other individuals of other races is a Jewish-proliferated straw man (as far as I can tell).”
Well put. That element is part of the anti-white Diversity (TM) narrative that is pushed. Helps fan the flames of white guilt and continue the pussifying pathological altruism of cuckservatry.
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this is known through literature. And there still are blonde Greeks and Italians out there
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I’m certainly pro-white and pro-Europe, but there’s no need to assume that only blond and blue-eyed can fit the bill for European excellence.
We have mosaics, encaustics and other representations of the people from this time. They look much like modern Italians.
We have the story, written in the 7th century by the Venerable Bede, that pope St. Gregory the Great marveled at the blond hair of some Anglo-Saxon slaves in a Roman market, and called them “non Angli, sed Angeli” (not Angles, but Angels).
The Italians of the Renaissance accomplished much. Are we to believe that a major demographic change occurred since then?
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No nation has contributed more to Western culture than Italy. It is not even close.
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Slightly off topic…and Holy Jeebus:http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/10-ways-well-meaning-white-teachers-bring-racism-into-our-schools/
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You take those jars of fish paste seriously?
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Oh hell no.
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There is a very interesting book by a fellow named Hart, “Understanding Human History”, in which he follows the development of human intelligence and civilization from the prehistoric period, out of Africa and so on. He comments – in passing – that the long term viability of the Portugese empire may have been compromised by race mixing with lower IQ native populations.
I await Nicole’s informed opinion on this.
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There is empire, and then there is people and their genes.
I don’t see the Portuguese dying out anytime soon.
Priorities…
In Africa though, we did our best to prevent a situation that would lead to mixing. Many people died for that. So don’t blame the “natives” for the debauchery of the invaders.
Same goes for the Americas. If your ancestors had kept it in your pants, at least half the problem would have been solved already.
At least I wouldn’t be here. 😉
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Oh, and one more thing, since we’re on a game blog…
Dudes who aren’t Gay generally don’t care what a woman’s socioeconomic status or IQ are. Smarter women often have trouble relating to men, and when they’re from smart families, are generally harder to get to in the first place.
So if you really are interested in preventing mixing, become a feminist. Replace beauty, femininity, nurturing skills, and approachability with socioeconomic status and IQ. Ensure that women who make less money and have lower status will be ignored and rejected by men (I don’t know how they will manage this, but they are doing their best). Push the idea that women of other ethnicities are scientifically proven to be uglier, while promoting the new fat acceptance so that even a “white” sow is better than anyone else. Make people have to get permission from the state with affirmative consent forms to shag.
Without interference, mixing is going to be either somewhat rare, or done because the situation warrants it. So what you want to do is not create a situation that warrants it.
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Proximity + diversity = fukcing
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Indeed. Alpha males want hot fertile chicks. And they should be alpha enough to provide all economic resources required.(Which is for what intelligence evolved)
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If you look at the statues of Ancient Greeks (and there are many, many, many to look at), you notice the following.
1) The prevalence of curly hair.
2) Softer facial features, rather than more angular noses and chins.
3) A lack of ‘nordic’ features in the feet. Feet vary quite a but between the European groups.
If you look at the frescoes and other images, which give some indication to colour, you notice the following.
1) The prevalance of dark har.
2) The prevalence of curly/messy hair. Straight hair isn’t commonly depicted.
It is safe to assume that the statues were idealised. Just as we choose the better looking ones to represent us, the ancient Greeks did the same.
Someday, an archeologist is going to find documents in the USA, and think we were all Brad Pitts and Pamela Andersons.
The idea that Greeks were Northern European, and somehow became a different race through mixing doesn’t hold up.
One then has to explain
1) Why they developed this civilisation down south, but not up north.
2) Where the genetic admixture came from. There is SOME, no doubt, but enough to make a race of Nordics Greeks?
3) Why there is no history of racial segregation.
The USA, and any other nation which has different races has ghettoes, and marked, MARKED racial differences. Brazil is quite assimilated, but there is a world of difference between them racially.
Greeks are racially quite homogeneous. You can find some of non-Greek background, but there is a homogeneity. How did that come about through race mixing? Did they ensure that race mixing occured perfectly evenly?
Parts of Greece weren’t occupied by the Turks, and movement of people over Greece wasn’t uniform. You would expect to see visible differences, but they are not there.
Lastly, if you want to know how a great and mighty empire descends to an almost failed state.
LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO US TODAY.
It’s easy for civilisation to fall. Put the interests of a few wealthy rent seekers above knowledge and civilisational advancement. Forget reason and put nonsense in its place. Venerate Hubris.
Compare America today of America 50 years ago. Compare Australia today to Australia 50 years ago. I can see with blinding speed how quickly my city is being torn apart, and opporuntities destroyed. How the middle class is being turned back into debt slaves living in squalid tenements.
The problem with the “race is everything” view of civilisation, is that is ignores the vital, critical role that philosophy, politics, economics and culture play. Screw these up, and you become barbarians.
The decline of the Roman Empire (Which is what Greece was absorbed into) is reasonably well documented. The reasons are well documented. They can be seen in our society today.
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It is safe to assume that the statues were idealised. Just as we choose the better looking ones to represent us, the ancient Greeks did the same.
Not true. It became very popular to portray people “warts and all” in the Ancient world. Greeks spent a lot of time working out, had a good diet, and exalted physical fitness. They were citizen militias for the most part and mercenaries when they weren’t fighting for the home town. Infant mortality rate was about 50% and 75% by age 12. Weak people died off. The original Marathon runner did it barefoot over dirt trails. It would have been common for them to be buff
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Maybe the real question is: What color were the Etruscans ?
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White. Their civilization is well documented.
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Yeah, I know. I was being rhetorical. One could argue that Roman civilization is heavily based off of the Etruscans. Although, their origins seem to be a bit of a mystery.
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Greg: Any film that gets green-lighted these days will invariable contain headcase material.
Indeed, any film greenlighted in the last sixty years will be an anti-white-male psyop.
Last night, (thanks bittorrent!) I watched “Southpaw”, the latest attempt by Jake Gyllenhall to win an academy award. For men, this can be done by playing either a boxer or a retard. In this case, Gyllenhall played it safe by offering his impression of a retarded tomato can, Billy Hope, “The Great White Hope”. Yes, they actually used this line.
Of course this movie is a piece of agitprop crap, and as any Academy-candidate movie must, it achieved a very high ideology rating.
The ideology rating of a movie crucially depends on the treatment of white-maleness. Remember, white males are the key to resource acquisition worldwide. What happens in their minds decides what happens in the real world so it is fundamental that the right messages get pushed so that whites males are brainwashed into creating the right reality for the parasitic rest of the world.
The more of the following your film contains, the higher its ideology rating.
1. White male played by Eskimo
2. Movie contains no psychologically healthy white males
3. White male is psychologically “damaged” in some way: broken, washed up, angry, caught up in alcohol, drugs, oneitis, loneliness, old-fashioned ideas, retrograde race-awareness, sex addiction, commitment-phobia, pines for ex, etc. This trope is so standard, it is almost superflous to point out examples, but e.g. Dirty Harry, Rambo, Liam Neeson
4. White male feels pain from this damage and seeks redemption
5. White male often declines to defend himself against even the most brutal attacks. Deep down he knows he “deserves” it – Billy Hope, Rocky Balboa – and only “triumphs” after receiving unbelievable amounts of punishment, usually in the course of satisfying someone else’s goals or to garner someone else’s approval
6. White male is humiliated, rejected, tortured
7. Torture is a huge subject. In very many movies, the white male is physically tortured at loving length and in graphic detail. The torture trend has existed in Hollywod films for a very long time (see James Bond, all Mel Gibson movies) but is now appearing even in children’s cartoons (sorry, no examples to hand). Of course, film is in fact a method of mass hypnosis. Violence and sex are used to open you subconscious and over-ride your critical faculties and you are then presented with suggestive images or scripts. Words and dialogue play little part in this. What better way than torture to suggest to white males that they are passive and helpless?
8. White male depends on wife to organize his life/make important decisions. White male is hopelessly dependent on woman.
9. White male always defers to wife’s value and definitions
10. White male has teenage daughter who is more independent and mature than white male. Daughter despises father.
11. White male puts needs of all others before his own
12. White male has no brothers, sisters, father, mother, close friends, or social network. He is *completely alone*. (Hi, Harry Callahan!)
13. White male subject to the often humilating authority of female and black authority figures (judges, wives, police, social workers, experts)
14. In order to be redeemed, white male must be completely broken down and remade/re-educated
15. White male can only achieve redemption under the tutelage of a jewish, asian, or black mentor e.g. Rocky and Mickey, Karate Kid, any movie with Morgan Freeman or Forrest Whitaker
16. Guns cause crime/innocent victims (Southpaw, Spiderman)
17. Attractive, virtous women are often called Sarah, Rachel, or similar
18. The typical movie white male’s wife is selfless, reliable, honest, supportive, given to long-range planning and sudden, perceptive, practical intuitions and solid analyses of problems that unfailingly advance the interests of the white male. And he will fail if he does not listen to her.
19. Blacks are wise, empathic, and helpful and make solid friends, once you get past the initial silly suspicions
20. White families are broken, wives unhappy, children rebellious. White males must somehow fix this.
21. Jewish families are always solid, warm, and intact, even if they are sometimes a little meshugganah (Meet the Fokkers, Transformers)
22. Single mothers are just doing the best they can. If only white males would…oh…what’s the point? They’ll never change!
23. The term “family” and the idea of family loyalties is primarily associated with mobster activity, friends, workmates, people you chatted with at the bus stop. Intact, blood-related families not so much.
24. Mobsters are Italian, Serbian, Mexican, and most fearsome the white-skinned “Russian” mob. We are never informed that the Russian mob is in fact Eskimos organized out of Israel and Ukaine.
25. Every film, whenever possible, must desecrate a Christian religious sacrament. In a clear early example, “The Graduate”, the climax comes when Dustin Hoffman gatecrashes the shiksa wedding, bars the church doors with a crucifix, and escapes in a sports car. Since that time, Satanic blasphemy has become a standard in every movie you see. There is always something. In Southpaw we get a boxing match in a church, complete with staied glass windfows. In 3:10 from Yuma, Russel Crowe’s guns have crucifixes on the handles, (complete with Corpus Christi). Bloody shootouts in churches, buddhist temples, and (rarely) mosques. It seems you can’t get a movie made unless it desecrates.
26. White male with blond hair or blue eyes is psychotic killer, whether villain or henchman
27. White males must always sacrific themselves for women, children, or give their lives for the state (ZOG)
28. A white male who is selfish or self-interested can never win or be happy
29. Statistically, 99% of violent criminals are white males
30. Good white males are never motivated by money or pussy
31. All white male goals are justified only in that they serve the needs/wants of women, primitive peoples, or ZOG
32. White males regret behaviors. All behaviors.
33. White males take the blame
34. White males could never have achieved what they did without the crucial support/intervention of others of different sex or ethnicity
35. The dreams of a good white male are the same as those of a white female
36. The best computer hackers are usually negroes
37. White women crave black cock
38. Many blacks have healthy families that could be a model for white families, especially for handsome young employed white males who need to settle down
39. It is never good for white males to band together for support or advice. It will always go off the rails if women or blacks are not there to keep things on the straight and narrow (e.g., the crooked cops in Magnum Force)
40. It is cool for black males to chiefly concern themselves with sex and money
41. A male-positive modern movie sound track is primarily monkey music
42. Bloody shootouts must be accompanied by classical European music, in particular sacred music
There are plenty of others. Please add your own.
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36. The best computer hackers are usually negroes
37. White women crave black cock
It’s hilarious with 36. No negroes in the real world are computer scientists. But jurassic park, mission impossible. Meh.
And the coal burning in these movies is atrocious. Couldn’t believe the crap in Prometheus…
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43. The president of the United States is a black man.
It’s hilarious with 43. No negroes in the real world are president of the United States.
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Bravo.
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White male puts needs of all others before his own
That was a feature for us for most of our history. Our enemies have made it a bug but it wouldn’t be in a high trust society.
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Good post. This is why I stopped watching Talmudvision and films. Film has subliminal powers of hypnosis over us most don’t realize or understand, which you alluded to. Just say NO!
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Excellent analysis. Seems like Irish is the closest they will get to portraying a White guy as a role model a film. (Like Wahlberg playing a hard boiled Irish cop, or Affleck playing a working class hero). They’ll have names like O’something or McThis. An English name just won’t do.
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Oh boo friggin hoo! White males in movies fare much better than marginalized black female characters.
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I agree with what your saying but movies are fantasy not reality. Allot of what you get from hollywood is formula designed for the world market, not so much for pure domestic consumption ( They got to sell tickets worldwide). I particularly agree with your (25). Trashing Christianity seems to be de rigueur by those who green-light the films in hollywood.
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One of the best posts I’ve ever read on the internet. Please write more.
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People overstate the effect of Ottoman occupation on the modern Greek genepool. Back then people didn’t hook up or date except with prostitutes and any mixing would have been in the upper cosmopolitan strata. The vast majority were peasants in insular communities and what they did is marry, within those communities.
There are no pockets of Muslim descendants of Ottoman occupier in Greece and you never hear of Turkish-sounding surnames among Greeks today. That’s because Ottoman occupiers consisted mostly of imperial bureaucrats, many of whom weren’t even necessarily Turkish. If a Turkish official married a Greek woman (overcoming the powerful barriers of religion), he’d take her back to Turkey.
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Horatio,
No human empire has gone more than 200 years before it had a knock down drag out civil war. The USA, however you want to measure the term, is an empire. Lincoln’s victory in 1865 gave America a centralized state that has done nothing but grow stronger since.
It is 2015 and it is 150 years since the last Civil War ended. The pressures building for another American civil war are plain to see. Left/Right, American Elite vs Middle class, racial fractures are all there to be exploited for power & bloodshed. There is a huge cultural static charge of blood and mayhem looking for a high current path to ground it out.
These random racial killings like the TV Reporter/cameraman and now the Harris County Texas Sheriff cannot be hidden by Google and other tools of the elites.
I has no idea at all how all of this is going to turn out, other than there seems to be a lot of bloodshed coming, at an accelerated rate. My hope was the peace period to the next Civil War would outlast me and show up for my kids children . I doubt seriously now that I will avoid seeing it come.
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The ancestors of modern day spaniards lived in Ukraine 2,000 years ago. Today’s northern Italians are descendants of Germanic narbarian tribes.
I strongly suggest you read about Late Antiquity’s Volkwanderung, CH. There was a lot of migration during the late years of the Roman Empire, and you are getting the roles of invader and invaded inverted.
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Is he?
The original “Aryan Invasions” and Volkwanderungen into Europe occurred well-before the Germanic/Viking mop-ups of the fallen Roman Empire.
The latter was more of a “second wave”, as it were, that occurred a good millennium or two (with adjustments for geography, of course) after the first wave which brought all those fair-haired folks into Europe proper.
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The first wave of White people left Central Asia about 4,000 to 3,500 years ago. Frankish Eagle decor is common among the Scythians of that period for instance. I have seen several excellent Museum exhibits on this subject here in Germany. The Germanisches Museum in Nurenberg is probably the best museum on the subject.
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white people were brought to Europe as slaves.
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“Blonde” hair last time, now pink nipples. You’re projecting, Thwack. Next you’ll be out moonbathing in the hopes of lightening your skin.
Welcome back, brother, you are a good part of the conversation. The dozens of constipated milquetoasts who can’t laugh you off do not combined equal your contribution.
Matt
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Damn you’re getting desperate! Next year you’ll be labeling anyone who doesn’t have “natural” blonde hair and blue eyes anything but White. Unbelievable…
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Nobody really talks about the race of ancients Greeks or Romans. It’s assumed they were swarthy Southern Europeans like the people who live there today.
In the era of genome research, the subject is widely discussed.
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IIRC, Nero is described as having blond hair and blue eyes. Lucius Verus, mediocre co-emperor of Marcus Aurelius, was also blond, as was Commodus. Constantius, father of Constantine the Great (of Constantinople fame) was remarkably pasty in appearance (he was born in the Balkans though). I’m sure there are other prominent figures I’m skipping over that don’t look like today’s southern Italians. Of course, a lot of evolutionary change occurs over two millenia.
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The Romans invaded Germany and found there wasnt much to be had and ended up regretting it.. Remember that it was hardship in the first place that improved genetics. Vikings had the unique double problem of harsh winters and a lack of arable land(thus the leaving by boat in winter to seek their fortune). Even in Africa, Eastern Africans make great distance runners because they had large open plains, and Western Africans make great sprinters, because of ambush hunting in forests. Genetics don’t exist in a vacuum.
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The Red Pill has evolved to the White Pill
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A welcome, clarifying development, that.
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One factor which receives little if any attention in these sorts of conversations is the impact of assortative mating on a population’s character over time.
Even if there were no Asiatic introgression in Greece, it can be expected that the radically different habitat of the civilized Greeks sharply changed the assortative mating patterns of the population from what they were in tribal and pre-civilized Hellenic tribes.
The most attractive and creative advanced populations are the ones which have most recently transitioned from pre-civilized tribalism to sedentary civilization. Women are simply not as acutely selected for appearance in civilization as they were in nomadic warrior cultures. Creativity and dominant (alpha) social dispositions also sink. As civilization matures, betas and omegas construct elaborate networks of institutions, memes, mores, and traditions to defend their dominance against men who are genetically inclined to organic social dominance.
Everybody gets to breed, but the sorting is radically different, and within a few generations the restlessness which makes for great men, the genes for blonde hair, blue eyes, and alabaster skin all sort of sink into the trailer park while the sort of mandarin and methodical disposition and uninspired intelligence more befitting a scribe than a warlord bubbles to the top and the aesthetics steadily atrophy.
Whatever’s allegedly wrong with the Greeks is nothing that a few generations of brutal tribal warfare wouldn’t resolve. The phenomenon also exists in other identities which have no tell-tale signs of Asiatic admixture, but the Nordicists overlook those identities to confirm their hypothesis that it was indeed the fractional Asiatic admixture which slowed them down.
Exposure to civilization is corrosive. Period. Even for populations which enjoy land barriers between themselves and invasive alien populations.
[CH: long-term exposure to civilization is corrosive on the body as well as the mind, if we take seriously the hormesis hypothesis.]
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Anti semitism is for retards. Beta male enviers. Now revulsion about circumpenismutilation, anti Bolshevism, anti Marxism, anti kosher separationism, anti rad feminism, anti holocaustiany, anti aggressive Zionism, anti AIPAC lobby, anti wall street crime, anti dual loyalty ism, and so on, that all is fair. Admiring Jewish ethnic solidarity and down to earthness and worldly wisdom and wanting ones own race or group to incorporate these things, that’s also fair game. Anti semitism is dumb, prejudicial, lame. Line item it! It’s all that’s necessary, doesn’t go over the line. It’s powerful because its true , might even get some jews on your side (serious)! It holds whites just as accountable. Line item it. Plus I don’t care what ppl think, bagels are delicious. Tikkun olam betas
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In other words, hate the disease and its multifarious symptoms, but identify and attack any of the major germs and you’re a quack.
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Not a “quack”, a “retard” and a “beta male envier”.
Haha. Translation: stop speaking the truth you miserable goy bastards!
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I’m not anti Semitic but I really can’t trust them anymore as a group.
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Can’t trust them anymore as a group? You are already there, pal. Join us.
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Anti-goyimism, however, is brilliant and alpha.
Got it.
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Loxism.
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What is anti-Semitism without Semitism? Luther was castigated by German rabbis for (accurately) translating “Love thy neighbor as thyself” as “Love thy racial kinsman as thyself.” What are you even talking about? We are talking about removing the enemies of this country and our people before it is too late. We make no exceptions for anyone. This is a matter of life and death. The black supremacists must go. The alienated white SWPLs must go. Unpatriotic, anti-white Jews, which is basically all of them, must go. They are all part of Jean Raspail’s Beast. They go, or we do.
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Asherkenadze Jews are extremely European and Westernized. I don’t know why their politics are so leftish, as their IQs are often freakishly high. I would assume they are leftists because most upper middle to upper middle class types are leftist, which is a fairly suicidal outlook as the western left themselves detests Israel and sympathizes, naively, with the death cultists of modern Islam.
Jews are your ally, not your enemy. The Jewish state is a bulwark of civilization and democracy in a land of savagery. American Jews make wonderful contributions to science, medicine, technology, business, and the arts.
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Smart people are leftists because right wing politics doesn’t give you any special points just for brains. You have to use them effectively first.
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“The Jews are your allies.” Didn’t the dancing Israelies say the same thing? As did Jonathan Pollard and the Rosenbergs before him?
jewish low art: Interracial cuckhold porn
Jewish high art: Tracy Emin’s My Bed
Usury, phony wars, surveillance/police state, feminism, homosexuality, 50 million aborted babies….
*said in Jackie Mason accent* “With friends like these…?”
Talmudic Judaism is the enemy of all mankind including the Jewish people.
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There’s some truth to what you say, but now is not the time for fine distinctions. The Jews taken as a whole are an ugly and subversive race who have coasted the last sixty years on the Holocaust to prevent all possible scrutiny and criticism in the west. That immunity to criticism has made them yet uglier.
Enter the modern Jew, who has grown up under that immunity and complete deracination from what made them distinct in the first place — fidelity to God as his first people — and nothing except the execrable multiculti faith can justify their presence in late-era Christendom.
There is much to admire in their vestigial traits. They don’t just survive in alien cultures, they come to dominate them because they know how to work and plan and manipulate. But those virtues are cut off from their source now, and they will wither while their cultural isolation/suspicion remains.
It’s not so simple as “env[ying]” a superior Alpha race. It’s about finding enemies and allies — and knowing that enemies often pose as allies. There are plenty of righteous/valuable/virtuous Jews, but they have a higher standard to meet before the white Christian should even consider the possibility of trusting them. If the standard appears impossible to meet, all the better. It should seem insurmountable.
Guilty until proven innocent; the stakes are too high to split hairs. If there is a shadow of a doubt, get on the truck with the rest of the undesirables. They’ve earned it.
Matt
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Henry Goldstein: fuck you, with love. Get it? 😉
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
#lovewins
#freedom
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Nonsense.
The genetic continuity of the Ancient Greeks to the Modern Greeks is ‘striking’ based on factual genetic studies. All ‘cultures’ pale into insignificance when they compare themselves to the achievements of the Ancient Greeks and react by either trying to disassociate the direct lineage to the Modern Greeks or make outlandish wannabe claims to being related to the Ancients.
The fact remains that the Ancient Greeks are a hard act to follow indeed but it does not take away from the fact that there is a striking direct line to the Modern Greeks. Like it or not. These are the facts. They are indisputable.
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The founders of ancient Rome were, according to legend, descended from the noble families who fled Troy, themselves more closely related to Armenians than to Greeks or Turks. Armenians are in general fair skinned, often with blue eyes and blonde or light brown hair.
The ancient Greeks had large city states and fairly advanced societies, which were prosperous enough to support philosophers, mathematicians, and accomplished artisans.
Many Greeks, however, were more European in appearance. The Macedonians, who conquered much of the known world, were fair skinned and blondish. Many other Greeks resembled Germanic or Eastern European peoples far more so than they resembled, well, greasy Mediterranean types.
That said, they also had economies based largely on slavery, which is really why both societies collapsed.
Only democracy and capitalism brings sustainable prosperity to larger countries. Empires or economic powerhouses like Rome’s, Spain’s, Britain’s, or pre 20th century America’s collapse of their own weight, because forced labor, market distortions, or a lack of incentives cause waste.
Maintaining huge police forces, restricting labor and trade, or removing incentives causes economies (and cultures) to wither and die.
History never tells us otherwise, whether it’s a system of plantations and gentry or a system of politboros and apparatchniks. Either way, repressive governments bring down their own economies, just as authoritarian businesses rarely make a lot of money. The carrot works far better, always, than the stick.
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http://trutube.tv/video/15194/The-Indo-Europeans-A-Documentary
Interesting documentary.Explains it a bit more about what CH linked.
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When have the Jews been the allies of gentile Whites? Name one instance for me, please. The Holodomor? The Great Terror? Genrikh Yagoda? The Spartacist uprising in Germany after the war? The Bayerische Räterepublik, “led mainly by a team of Jewish revolutionaries”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Council_Republic
The Beast against against which we now fight? Please. Don’t bring this stupidity of “the Jews are your ally” into these hallowed grounds. The Jews are the enemies of Caucasoid Europeans and always will be. They must be removed to the East. There is no compromise with Satan made flesh in the form of these people. Out with you, out with the Jews.
The Jewish state should be a gathering ground for the Jews, as the Crusader states in Palestine were for the deluded Europeans who betrayed the religion of their ancestors, in order for their removal to proceed apace.
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RHeydrich:
You might be interested in this article, as it shows how devious, and long running, the plan for Zionist control is. In addition too the immense power and wealth the Rothschild, demon, family has held for a long time. Conspiracy deniers be damned.
http://www.evilworldnews.press/2015/06/12/1829-newspaper-rothschilds-have-purchased-jerusalem/#prettyPhoto
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Marx, Engels, Bronstein, Luxemburg, Lansky, Levine, Eisner, the list is soooooooooooooooooooo long….they made wonderful contributions to global social organization, didn’t they?
When the New Order rises again like a phoenix from the ashes, the descendants of these people will very promptly find themselves in a certain type of camp. Total zerstört.
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Jews are highly diverse politically (unlike 1930’s). Israel is the most right wing western nation. So, your writing is a few decades out of date.
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Marx, Engels, Bronstein, Luxemburg, Lansky, Levine, Eisner
Feel free to kill all of their ancestors, except I think that they beat you to the punch. Those types of secular jews make very few babies. Those lines extinguished themselves.
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WHITE POWER!
UBER ALLES!
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Nobody on Earth had blue eyes 10,000 years ago. Today 30% of Europeans have blue eyes. Blue eyes are a mutation that happened relatively recently in human history – and has been traced back to one common ancestor from the region of the Black Sea.
A well-preserved skeleton was discovered in 2006 in a deep cave system called La Braña-Arintero in north-west Spain. The man was 5ft 7in tall and aged 30-35, and thought to be a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer rather than a farmer.
DNA analysis of this skeleton revealed the genetic mutation for blue eyes, closer relation to modern-day Scandinavians than to any other European group and the dark-skinned genes of an African.
One thing is clear from the outsized population growth of people with blue eyes – blue eyes are a trait that assists with breeding. The accendant race is the swarthy dark-skinned Scandinavian with blue eyes.
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I have brown eyes that are now turning blue.
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CH has a post about the race of ancient Greeks and Romans and people consider this racism? Guess people glossed over the “maybe.”
People read what they wanna read, is the take home to all this.
Dennis Miller is right, this is the eggshell generation, everyone’s so friggin’ wound up.
[CH: you know what kind of person loves living during an eggshell generation? a very naughty boy. heh.]
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you think trump eats gmo? drinks F-?
you misunderestimate the biological adultery of the modern world
biomechanics macro, biophysiologics micro
control the atoms ingested, control the behavior
pathetic is what pathetic is made of.
a heavilty polluted race we are.
how much bisphenol A is in your blood?
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This article’s strongest point is that miscegenation may have caused the decadence of Rome. He also brings up some interesting findings about evidence for hair and eye blondism among the ancient Greeks and Romans.
But on a lot of other points, the author screws up basic facts. He posits a separate Greek ethnic/linguistic group the “Achaeans” that supposedly swept into Greece before the Dorians. I have no idea where he got this. The three main ancient Greek dialects are Aeolic, Ionic and Doric. He seems to have made up “Achaean.” The term “Achaean” comes from Homer, who uses it to describe all Greeks. But he also calls them “Argives” and “Danaans.” Do these also correspond to separate ethnic groups who invaded Greece in the Dark Ages?
He surmises that Attic Greek (a subdialect of Ionic) derives from a Pelegesian substratum. If anyone knows where he got this, I’d be very interested to read it. The simplest (and most accepted) explanation is that Attic evolved differently from the rest of Ionic, especially in how it contracted vowels.
He claims that the Nordic element was responsible for the vigor of ancient Greek culture, and that the Ionians and Athenians were of non-Nordic stock. Why were most of the greatest poets and philosophers Athenian or Ionian? Homer, most of the pre-socratic philosophers and Herodotus were Ionians. Socrates, Plato, Xenophon were from Athens. Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides were from Attica (the region of Athens). There are no known Spartan or Thebian poets or philosophers of much consequence.
Moreover, if Nordic blood is the spark of civilization, why did Greece and Rome emerge as great civilizations so many centuries before Germany, Scandinavia and the British Isles? Those areas are full of blonde people. If anything, Greece and Rome would suggest that Nordics cannot build cultures without South European influence. Likely there is a simpler explanation. Turchin’s theory in his 2006 book (“War and Peace and War”) seems far more likely. Or maybe high civilizations can only emerge once a people has achieved a high-enough population density. Once the population hits some critical mass, there are enough geniuses to build on each other’s ideas (that said, obviously the population has to have a high enough base IQ).
I admit that I am sympathetic to this sort of “white people are awesome” argument. But this guy really overstates his case.
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Of course they were. Just look at their art and statuary. Not to mention popularity of the name “Flavius” (“blond”) among the Romans.
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There is no puzzle, if you read some of the older anthropological works, from before the academic Left decided to take a dump all over the struggles of our Aryan ancestors. In brief…
Ancient Germanics and Southern Europeans were the same race. Up until 6000BC they lived in modern Ukraine, north of the Black Sea. When the last Ice Age ended, the glaciers blanketing Europe melted, opening up the lands for settlement. The Aryan people travelled west to settle the land, with some heading north and some heading south.
So why did the southerners become so civilized, while their northern cousins remained axe-wielding barbarians? A temperate climate and easy living offered time and leisure for designing aqueducts and circuses. The North was still coming out of the Ice Age, and those who lived there faced a savage struggle just to get through each day. When every day is a battle against starvation and violent death, you are not thinking about architecture. Except maybe strong walls.
The South then recieved a fresh infusion of Aryan blood in the 4th-5th centuries, when waves of Germanic invaders crushed the Roman Empire. In the 1,500 years since, it has suffered a steady flood of Middle Eastern migration. And those dark waters are now lapping against the shores of the North. Want to know what Northern Europe will look like fifty years from now? Take a look at the South.
Your history fuhrer,
Professor Badmax
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Greeks
and
Italians (Sicilians)
compared to
Germans (Bavarians)
It’s like Negroes and Albinos!!!
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Heh.
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This is idiotic.
The whole argument is based on a false dilemma where people are shoehorned in one of two boxes: either they are swarthy like Sicilians, or they must be Northern Europeans.
If you’ve read ancient sources, you’ll know that the Romans thought that the people of Gaul and Germany were much blonder and much taller than themselves.
If you don’t notice this, you didn’t read many Latin authors.
Roman ladies bought from merchants the hair of Germanic women, which was prized for its amazing fair color, which didn’t exist in Rome.
The ancient Romans looked more or less like central-northern Italians of today; they weren’t as swarthy as the southern Italians (who form the US idea of “Italians” due to being the ones who migrated there), and some of them had lighter hair and blue eyes (as do central-northern Italians of today), but they weren’t nearly as blonde as northern Europeans.
The Italy of today is not a hellhole. Its GDP is high; in particular the GDP of the central-northern regions is about as high as anywhere in Western Europe; it’s the South of the country that drags it down.
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“The Italy of today is not a hellhole. Its GDP is high; in particular the GDP of the central-northern regions is about as high as anywhere in Western Europe; it’s the South of the country that drags it down.”
Yup. Specifically Naples, Calabria and Sicily.
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The ancient greeks were blonde and nordic looking. Just watch the movie, Troy.
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There is at least one modern Italian American who qualifies as a bit of a hero. As he wrote earlier this year in dissent:
The substance of today’s decree is not of immense personal importance to me. The law can recognize as marriage whatever sexual attachments and living arrangements it wishes, and can accord them favorable civil consequences, from tax treatment to rights of inheritance. Those civil consequences—and the public approval that conferring the name of marriage evidences—can perhaps have adverse social effects, but no more adverse than the effects of many other controversial laws. So it is not of special importance to me what the law says about marriage. It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court. The opinion in these cases is the furthest extension in fact—and the furthest extension one can even imagine—of the Court’s claimed power to create “liberties” that the Constitution and its Amendments neglect to mention. This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves.
…
Hubris is sometimes defined as o’erweening pride; and pride, we know, goeth before a fall. The Judiciary is the “least dangerous” of the federal branches because it has “neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm” and the States, “even for the efficacy of its judgments.” With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them—with each decision that is unabashedly based not on law, but on the “reasoned judgment” of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence.
Obergefell v. Hodges, 135 S. Ct. 2584 (2015) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
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Chateau, you are on to something here, I don’t know if you have ever read Julius Evola’s “Revolt Against The Modern World” ‘cause if you didn’t your intuition is amazing.
Anyway for all you people here: give that book a read, on the chapter “The Heroic-Uranian Western Cycle” under the section “The Roman Cycle” the author explains the very concept Chateau shared here with us.
Said book is really a must-read: it’s like the grandpa of the red pill, seriously… and it goes deeper and deeper… a real life changer.
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The whole argument is based on a false dilemma: either the ancients were swarthy like Sicilians, or they must have been Northern Europeans.
If you’ve read ancient sources, you’ll know that the Romans thought that the people of Gaul and Germany were much blonder and much taller than themselves.
If you don’t notice this, you didn’t read many Latin authors.
Roman ladies bought from merchants the hair of Germanic women, which was prized for its amazing fair color, a color that didn’t exist in Rome.
The ancient Romans looked more or less like central-northern Italians of today; they weren’t as swarthy as the southern Italians (who form the US idea of “Italians” due to being the ones who migrated there), and some of them had lighter hair and blue eyes (as do central-northern Italians of today), but they weren’t nearly as blonde as northern Europeans.
The GDP of today’s Italy is high; in particular the GDP of the central-northern regions is about as high as anywhere in Western Europe; it’s the South of the country that drags it down.
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My dad’s family is from North of Milan. What makes us unique, like many northern Italians, is that we aren’t Roman Italian, Greek Italian, or Etruscan. We are Lombards. Who are the Lombards? A GERMANIC tribe that settled in northern Italy after Rome’s collapse. Even after they were defeated by the Franks they maintained regional control (to this day). We look a lot different from the southern Italians. We are taller, lighter, and more civilized and cultured. Shocking that Northern Italy really isn’t that bad and enjoys some stability and civilized society. As my dad use to say, “The farther south you go, the more primitive the people become.” Truth is, there is a vast Italian population in the north with Germanic, not Latin, origins and that might feed right into this proposed theory, which to me is nothing shocking to hear.
Side story for comedy: My great Grandfather was Giuseppe Garibaldi’s lieutenant. When he attacked and conquered Sicily he was shocked at how disgusting and vile the people were. With King Emmanuel II coming to view the territory Garibaldi tried to clean them up for presentation. He had soap delivered in mass. When he returned, he was angry because the people were still filthy and disgusting. He asked his men why they didn’t clean up with the soap he had delivered. His lieutenants told him that the Sicilians thought the soap was food and ate it.
Good stuff. True story? I really don’t know. However, does anyone really think its that outrageous?
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Isn’t there an old saying – popular in the North – that “Garibaldi didn’t unite Italy, he divided Africa?”
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Northern Italians aren’t Germanic. Genetically they cluster between Southern Italians/Greeks and the Spanish/Portuguese. Physically they’re predominantly dark-haired/eyed and look like other Southern Europeans. No Italians are anywhere near Africans, either in DNA or appearance. Some have blond hair and blue eyes just like some did in Roman times, and just like some Northern Europeans have darker Mediterranean features.
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Northern Italians aren’t Germanic. Genetically they cluster between Southern Italians/Greeks and the Spanish/Portuguese. Physically they’re predominantly dark-haired/eyed and look like other Southern Europeans. No Italians anywhere are similar to Africans, either in DNA or appearance. Some have blond hair and blue eyes just like some did in Roman times, and just like some Northern Europeans have darker Mediterranean features.
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germanic, scandinavians=assirians (squarish butt, narrow hips) cold demeanor, mediterraneans(even in asia minor)= probably from pleyades(who knows) with round hips and butt.
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proof is in the pudding with the flat square butt and narrow hips on germans. we all saw heidi klum’s ass in that other post. and that’s not the first german ass i’ve seen like that. pretty much par for the course.
[CH: there isn’t a girl alive who can’t carve a pert round ass for herself by hitting the squat rack religiously. i’ve yet to see an exception to this rule. so why don’t more girls squat?
laziness.
insufficient feedback.
so, gentlemen, do your part and tell every pancake ass to hit the rack!]
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Laziness is an understatement. How much more lazy can they be when they parade around in public in their pajamas? Unfortunately, one of the very sad (and planned) effects of all the degenerate movies and TV shows, is that the American public lacks a sense of shame, or the will to shame others. I was travelling last week, and stopped at a rest stop to use the bathroom. While there, I saw a young (around 13) girl wearing skin-tight yoga pants, pulled up into every crevice. What mother would allow her daughter to dress like that? Then there are stories of mothers allowing their young children to cross dress. Insanity.
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Minoans and Athens were the same tribe, the Ionians.
“Locally sourced
The ancient Minoan DNA was most similar to populations from western and northern Europe. The population showed particular genetic affinities with Bronze Age populations from Sardinia and Iberia and Neolithic samples from Scandinavia and France.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22527821
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What you don’t mention (probably because you don’t know) is that Neolithic Scandinavians cluster with modern Southern Europeans, not with today’s Germanics. Europe was settled from the south and east, not the from the northwest.
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My point was that they aren’t cluster with modern Greeks on the y chromosome side. But I wasn’t expressed it well. It’s said in the link.
Greeks have had a strong miscegenation without it, their y chromosome were cluster near of us
And our genetic distance were less
Modern Greeks aren’t ancient ones and I bet that ancients were similar to North Italians and Central Europeans
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The link is about mtDNA, not Y chromosomes, and it doesn’t say anything about Minoans “clustering near you” or miscegenation. In fact, it says the opposite:
“The Minoans are Europeans and are also related to present-day Cretans – on the maternal side.”
So you’re wrong. Ancient and Modern Greeks are the same people.
Read this: http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/
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This will piss you off. Made my blood boil. Ready for the fight.
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doubt it, I say they were still medterean people…they just darker now because of turkish and arab invaders and slave they mixed with.
the old greeks and romans were not germanic celtic or what not
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Greeks and Italians are not darker than their ancestors, and there was no mixing with slaves or invaders. There hasn’t been any significant gene flow across the Mediterranean since the Neolithic.
http://italianthro.blogspot.com/2014/06/mediterranean-sea-as-genetic-barrier.html
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Greeks and Italians are not darker than their ancestors, and there was no mixing with slaves or invaders. There hasn’t been any significant gene flow across the Mediterranean since the Neolithic.
– Mediterranean Sea as Genetic Barrier
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Sorry, but the card says Moops.
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What all of you half-assed geneticists are missing is that, while the hoi polloi of ancient and modern Greece may be closely related, there’s a big difference on the much smaller subset of conquerors who left their imprint over the helots, as it were…
Said conquerors are the ones we have to thank for the republics that led to the much touted ‘civilization’… and whose Aryan blood,, like many other areas (India, foremost), eventually was absorbed to the dilution point in the aftermath of said civilization.
This isn’t rocket science… the golden haired Apollo and grey-eyed Athena are not what you find on the streets of Athens today… rare exceptions notwithstanding.
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“Nowhere in historic times is there any valid evidence that the upper classes of one area differed in culture from those of another because of racial background, nor within any one people did the upper and lower classes have basically different cultural inheritances. Modern assertions that the masters preserved a Nordic outlook and so were more capable of culture are pure nonsense, bred of modern racial prejudice, not of the ancient evidence.”
– Starr, C.G., 1991, Origins of Greek Civilization, W. W. Norton & Company, London, p. 132.
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