This hamsterbation on Jizzebel is a couple years old now but it may have broken an all-time record for number of CH readers who forwarded it requesting a satisfying takedown. All you have to do is read the title to know you are about to enter… The Hamster Zone. (At this point you visualize a hamster wheel spinning through outer space.)
What kind of guy does a girl who looks like Lena Dunham ‘deserve’?
What kind of apex predator can turn down sinking his teeth into that juicy bait?
The “””article””” is about that insipid show Girls (has it fallen off the air yet?) and specifically about the episode when lumpy moocow Lena Dunham’s character gets into a relationship with an older, handsome doctor.
Yeah, try to contain your credulity.
Apparently, feminists are offended (what else is new?) that some viewers have expressed the doubleplusungood opinion that Dump-ham didn’t deserve the blind good doctor.
As Will Munny said to Little Bill before shooting him dead: “Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.”
No woman, or man, “deserves” a certain class of lover. Anyone who says that (and it’s mostly women who say stuff like this) is intoning a palliative for her bruised ego. Everyone has a value on the sexual market, and if you want better choices of partners you have to work to make yourself more valuable.
asdf comments:
The key takeaway from this Girls episode is no matter how much of a loser a woman is she can sleep with top quality men simply by lowering the price enough.
Not really. Girls is unrealistic. A fantasy itch for Lena. IRL, a 4 like Dunham doesn’t get sex from handsome doctors, let alone commitment. There is this meme floating around the omegasphere that all kinds of ugly and fat and old and thunderously-thighed women can get sex from alpha males at the drop of a hat, but that is a fevered concoction badly extrapolating from a loose interpretation of the functioning of the dating market. Men, especially White men, and particularly popular White men, do discriminate when choosing which women they will bang, and their discrimination will become more intense, violating all sorts of EEOC laws, when considering a woman as a long-term girlfriend or wife prospect.
Lena Dunham is repulsive to most men with options, and she will be passed over by those men for sex with prettier women, even if it means the men pay a higher price in energy and time devoted to the pursuit of prettier girls. The only way the Lenas of the world can compete with better women is by slashing their prices so low that they are practically giving away their LSMV pussies. And a bargain bin price drop is no guarantee of sex for the bottom 10-20% of women who are so gross to look at that most of them won’t get any man’s attention, let alone an alpha male’s, with their legs wide open and a neon red vacancy sign pointing at their crotches.
This is a sexual market reality that trips up a lot of bitter men who have a weird need to imagine women have it incredibly easy and men must do all the lovelorn suffering. The dregs of womanhood will suffer incel spells, and longer insol spells, although the frequency of dry spells and the duration of each dry spell will be generally less frequent and shorter for women than they will be for men of equal low mate value.
Another sex-based distinction is that women will better tolerate periods of sexlessness than will men, while men will better tolerate periods of lovelessness than will women (as long as the lovelessness is substituted with casual sex).
Now this is not to say that women, ON AVERAGE, don’t have an easier time than do men getting sex when they need it. While both men and women are discriminating in their mate and marital choices, women can afford to be more discriminating pre-sex, because the average woman’s sex is worth more than the average man’s sex. But that’s where a lot of men and women have their perspectives skewed — a man’s worth to women is not his sex so much as it is his *commitment* and *survival utility*. The woman who can extract commitment from an alpha male is a winner. The woman who can only get pumped and dumped by desperate goons is a loser. And she knows it.
So, no, the Lean Dunhams of the world are not getting banged out by high status docs, and they certainly aren’t getting proposals from them. Instead, the Lena Dunhams are dumpster diving with dirty, socially maladroit, dull, whiny milquetoasts.
And deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.

“Everyone has a value on the sexual market”
Even if that value is zero.
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Well, it’s a logarithmic scale, does not have a “zero” as such.
Is thirsty beta thirsty enough?
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Not sure ‘value’ is the right word.
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How about, “Even if that value is a negative number.”
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Where a positive number means attraction in a range of 0 to 10 a negative is repulsion but in its own scale.
Lena is in -6 at least
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If we’ve learned anything from Flavortown – it’s that there’s alway some dude lacking in restraint – and prepared to go totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human sexual conduct.
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He’s out there, operating on his own, without restraint… beyond the pale of any acceptable human behavior…
We want you to go up the river… collect whatever information you can along the way… infiltrate his camp… and… uh… (ahem) terminate his command.
Terminate, sir?
TERMINATE… with extreme prejudice.
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Everyone gets everything he wants. I wanted Flavortown, and for my sins, Lena gave me one. Brought it up to me like room service. It was a real choice munch’n, and when it was over, I’d never want another.
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Feminist know that their attempts to socially re-engineer what normal men find attractive have failed. The only option left open to the haters of nature is to try and shame normal male heterosexual desire into a hate crime. This strategy will also fail, if you don’t believe me ask King Cnut. I think that’s how you spell it.
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The other strategy is to uglify normal women.
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Making more women ugly will still fail as a strategy because it won’t change what normal men find attatractive. Therefore men with options, or quality men will still only be bedding, and committing to traditionally beautiful women.
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To be sure, the feminazis of the academy and their useful idiots are hard at work at the mass betafication of men:
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/vanderbilt-womens-center-lecture-men-healthy-masculinities#.qcicmz:j4vz
“…“The Macho Paradox: Why some men hurt and how all men can help.” The title is a reference to a book by Jackson Katz [now there’s a f a g g y name], who is a self-proclaimed “anti-sexist activist” and the speaker for the event…”
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”Jackson Katz [now there’s a f a g g y name]”
Also Eskimo.
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It gets worse…
This Aug. 2015 Rutgers campus survey of “Student experiences, attitudes and beliefs about about sexual violence” (complete with a ‘trigger warning’!) includes the proclamation that 20% of undergraduate women had experienced at least one attempted or completed act of sexual violence…
However, this fails to mention that:
a) only 29.5% of eligible students voluntarily took the survey (so the ‘20%’ can mean no more than 20% of the 29.5% which is < 6%) and
b) their definition of 'sexual violence' includes 'unwanted remarks about physical appearance'.
Read it for yourself. 'Unwanted remarks' have now become 'sexual violence'. This level of dishonesty should be stunning, but really, now it's just wearisome…
http://socialwork.rutgers.edu/Libraries/VAWC/iSPEAK_Campus_Climate_Assessment_Final_Report__8_28_15.sflb.ashx
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“ATTENTION MEN: Vandy does not want you”
So if Vandy is a 60:40 w / m ratio now, the feministas want to make it 70:30 or 80:20?
Yeah, that should make the girlies at Vandy happy. The carpet munchers, anyway.
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“hamsterbation”
That word alone made my day. Thanks!
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The Astral (ass trail?) Hamster did it for me.
Funny thing is, that’s about all you’d have to change from the original shows title card to make it fit hamster land accurately.
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“At this point you visualize a hamster wheel spinning through outer space.”
I hear Blue Danube when I visualize it!
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Funny you should mention… whenever some of the usual suspect negresses show up at the chateau, I visualize the chimp-out scene right before that bone is tossed triumphantly into the sky and turns into the space station.
lzozlzolzozlozlozlozlozl
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Related:
surprised you haven’t commented on this yet –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11841008/feminists-angry-kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend.html
Yeah, feminists are angry about a puppet.
Sigh. There’s so much more fat-shaming to be done…
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>>>IRL, a 4 like Dunham
CH, I think you forgot the decimal point:
>>>IRL, a 0.4 like Dunham
Fixed
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Is that pic shopped? Pear shaped and tatted is no way to go through life, bitch.
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What a hideous rash.
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Our paleolithic ancestors would approve.
[CH: doubtful that fertility goddesses were masturbation material for men. check CH archives, “Same three girls”, for a pic of an ancient masturbation figurine with a perfect 0.7 waist-hip ratio and a bmi under 23.]
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If she lost 30-40, grew out her hair, put on some makeup, and covered up those tats, she might be okay.
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please, no one cut the gourdian knot
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Yikes, even the knee-grows would pause before approaching that.
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Dear God, I…. I can’t look away….
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This is not a 4. It’s not a 0.4, but not a 4. Maybe a 3.
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There’s no shame in recognizing that the Venus figures probably did represent a tribute to the late paleolithic conception of female beauty. Most are considerably older than white skin itself, which in turn is a lot older than the ‘marrying for love rather than nepotism’ that was likely a key component in the full blossoming of white beauty.
They range from about 12,000 years old to 35,000. At that far end, our ancestors and those of American Indians and East Asians had not diverged much – they were all big-game hunters of the steppe-tundra. I bet the ability to store fat was closely associated with fertility back then.
And just before that, the paleolithic ‘dream-time’ stretches back a million years. For sure our ancestors had very different standards of beauty then.
The Beauty explosion is just one facet of the 10,000 year explosion. We’ve changed a lot in that time, which began immediately AFTER the period of the Venus figures.
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@elmer
Ancients copulated with all sorts of odd beings. They were chimeraphiles:
Even they inveted a sildo based on a dickmorphic dude of the time.
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She’s just hanging out by the sea, looking for some action from a local walrus.
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i’ve not seen her naked and i’d like to keep it that way careful what you post
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Oh boy, Dunham rated 4 lmao (solid 0.5)
And “pear shaped” is good one as well
“pyramid” seems more accurate
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Most gay doctors know that, when shopping for a beard, it is a good idea to look for one that is not likely to complain once the truth comes out.
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Think the Amy Schumer flick was also about a tubby “creative woman” landing a doctor, despite a 3-figure notch count, substance abuse, and clear economic deprivation. That was the one with Lebron James, and from wiki, the doctor was celibate five years before she came into his life, and her promiscuity was entirely the fault of her father who divorced her mom.
Maybe we’ve hit on a new subgenre here.
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The Hail Mary romcom.
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A modern take on romance fantasy:
“Make bad choices throughout your entire youth and fertility window and then still suffer NO consequences whatsoever! Some nice man who has worked his ass off to build a respectable professional life for himself will forgive it all or won’t find out!”
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Modern takes on the absent father is the he ‘left’ when the child was 10 or so. No mention of wife filing for divorce so she could experience the joys of work and hours away from home. Always, ‘my father left us one day’, pushed by the narrative I’m sure.
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For awhile there in the nineties and two-thousands, the ongoing TV/movie meme was that the father always molested the daughter.
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That’s why when my ex insisted on divorce I made her physically leave out. She left and took my kids. They know very well that o did not leave and will never leave them.
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[…] Deserve’s Got Nothin’ To Do With It […]
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Has that bruise on her arm healed yet?
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The Dunham Horror deserves to by someone’s prison bitch.
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Shalom, Lena Done-ham. You’re the most revolting actress in Hollywood. The fact that you’re physically repulsive and demand to get naked on TV is bad enough.., but you’re insistent on incessantly projectile vomiting your feminist views, personal dirty laundry, and whistling-in-the-dark faked-out ‘self confidence’ about your dumpy, frumpy, lumpy, bumpy, looks and how attractive you are as loudly as possible. That is what makes you truly unattractive.
Just kidding, it’s mostly your disgusting body.
[CH: i like the twist of your shiv.]
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“Lena Done-Ham” Oustanding.
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Is it any surprise her new cause celebre is against the decriminalization of prostitution? We can’t have any alternatives for the men out there than crazy, dumpy Western women.
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Looks kinda like a black sloth from goonies.
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That article is a striking example of why no attractive women read Jizzabel. Hot girls don’t want to be told that sloppy gunts like Dunham deserve to bang their alpha men. Its sexual socialism, these fat hamsters imagine the world has an endless supply of alpha dick and it should be distributed even to the denizens. But on planet earth, scarce resources are distributed by competition, it is what human nature requires.
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Feminism is the game of orc women.
Destroy femininity is the only way to go up their relative SMV. And jezebel is their manosphere.
Notice how women are incapable of reasoning. Where men have raised game until a scientific branch of sociology and psychology. Furthermore women have ruined(among much others) these two subjects turning they into a religion.
Is easy to imagine why all philosophers and scientist are men.
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The only way the Lenas of the world can compete with better women is by slashing their prices so low that they are practically giving away their LSMV pussies.
An alpha could go dumpster diving with a Lena level girl during a dry spell (happens for various reasons) or immediately after a break up. I’ve also known some alphas to dumpster dive to keep a string of one night stands going or some such foolishness. A girl like that can also sometimes catch an alpha on the way up. So, it’s not totally implausible.
But obviously, as you point out, it is never for anything long term. And it will never happen if the alpha has a regular partner (or more) of sufficient attractiveness, which is usually the case. It’s pretty rare.
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No woman, or man, “deserves” a certain class of lover.
I beg to differ. Every boring, un-sexy beta male deserves a Lena Dunham. Assortive mating is the norm in healthy, sane civilizations; it’s a part of the social contract upon which civilization is founded. Unfortunately, our civilization is neither healthy nor sane but is rotting from the head down, hence rampant hypergamy and sexual impoverishment of beta males.
[CH: the loser men don’t deserve lena dunham, but that’s who they’re stuck with.]
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I agree that the loser men don’t deserve Dunham. They probably should marry girls who are as naturally mediocre looking as she is, but they don’t deserve to be stuck with a girl with ugly tattoos. They don’t deserve to be stuck with a liberal feminist slut.
If I ruled the world, beta men would still marry plain jane women. But the plain jane women would be non-slutty, non-tattooed, non-liberal, and non-feminist.
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Men prefer haven’t offspring rather than sentence they to a life of bottom SMV.
Is the negative effect of pre selection. Men who choose ugly girls are seeing as betas by all society, including healthy, beauty and sane women.
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And a bargain bin price drop is no guarantee of sex for the bottom 10-20% of women who are so gross to look at that most of them won’t get any man’s attention, let alone an alpha male’s, with their legs wide open and a neon red vacancy sign pointing at their crotches.
Lena is in her 20s, when even chubby, so so looking girls can get at least temporary sexual attention. But girl’s like that hit the wall hard by 30. I can’t imagine even betas paying attention to 30 something Lena.
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To CH & readers:
Hasn’t Lena a bf? If yes — would you classify him as a “lower beta” or an “omega”?
[CH: “gay”. don’t believe me? image search him.]
I assume “beta” [?] because after all he snagged something…right?
Any theories how that happened?
Thoughts?
I feel that most average to slightly below average men, even at the lower end of the spectrum, must border on “nervous breakdown” if they’re with a Lena because the disgust level is high [“I just put my thing in that”] while thinking self-destructive thoughts that have a vicious circle [“if Lena is all I get, I must deserve it and be a loser”]. Plus the social embarrassment must be high, I imagine [omg, people are snickering at us! I’m going to let go of her hand and walk behind or ahead of her], though I wonder Lena’s “fame” might mitigate the embarrassment.
Thoughts?
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he likes her for her beautiful soul and great personality. oh wait, that can’t be it.
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I’m just [seriously! for a moment, though] trying to imagine Lena’s bf and his thought processes….
1. is he a total loser?
2. what is so attractive about Lena? She’s physically AND emotionally repulsive. And she flaunts it, too, to gain attention. Even if we “grant” the bf’s weird sexual attraction buttons — writing a memoir in which you detail false rape allegations but confess to molesting your sister? Does her bf find that “hot”?
I really am at a loss. Does he have some financial gain to this? Does this get him “preselection points” to get a hotter chick down the line?
I’m trying to figure this out. In real life — I agree with CH et al. She’s be “bitter” and she’d force herself on poor loser desperate guys, who I suspect would sleep with her but even they wouldn’t commit to her. I feel the public embarrassment would be too high a cost.
thoughts?
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Maybe he’s a closeted cuckservative.
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Don’t just google the gay boyfriend, google Lena’s artist father, Carroll Dunham. And don’t just look at Father Dunham’s multiple paintings of assholes and swollen genitalia, look at photos of the artist himself. Gaydar, anyone?
In Girls, Lena’s character Hannah dated a gay guy in college and in Lena’s non-fiction writing, she has alluded to her mother’s relationships with gay men. See a pattern?
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@mack
whoa. just looked the guy up and saw pics of his ‘art’.
no wonder she’s so effed up. the dad is whackjob perv.
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One hundred percent Eskimos, too. Enthralled with every type of depravity and perversity known.
Just a cohencidence.
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Lena’s bf being “gay” would make a lot of sense, but in this day and age of “pride week”etc. why would any of these “gay men” need a “beard”?
Just wondering…unless Lena paid him! I feel the bf must be getting something out of this deal. Lena is seriously gross on so many levels — all consolidated and concentrated in one body. She’s like an “uber-unmensch” .
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dude…the topic isn’t worth the thought-energy
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A lot of gay men, maybe even most of them, are omegas who tried gay sex.
ATM, my theory about gay sex is that it’s an addictive drug, like cocaine or meth or heroin.
And who gets hooked on drugs? Usually, depressed losers.
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i used to work with some gay dudes.. most were pretty cool. also surprisingly tough and unsentimental, the result, i guess, of getting picked on when they were kids. their need for a pretend girlfriend was approximately zero. what i noticed right away when i got hired was that the cooler and more alpha the gay dude, the hotter the chicks i’d sometimes see him hanging out with. as if there’s is something hardwired into being male (or female, for that matter), so that hot girls and alpha men are attracted to one another and know how to seek each other out.
[CH: this rings true. women are just as drawn to alpha gay men as to alpha straight men.]
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The Dunham Horror deserves a National Review writer like Kevin Williamson or George Will.
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[…] Deserve’s Got Nothin’ To Do With It […]
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Question: what happens when a bogbeast like La Dunham hits the wall? It must be horrendous. I’m still reeling from the images in the link below, which indicate the effect of the wall at a mere 31 yo upon what was once one of the hottest pieces of acting ass in Britain: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3222704/Former-EastEnders-star-Michelle-Ryan-looks-unrecognisable-sports-low-key-look-whilst-running-errands.html
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Probably 20 more pounds of cottage cheese on her thighs and ass, saggier tits and worst of all, a blimping up of her entitlement & bitterness. All of it dragged across multiple media outlets, too.
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Normal girls want a handsome Prince to rescue them and take her roughly in his big castle. Beautiful girls want a millionaire or better, with a mansion and a yacht and an endless bank account. And then there’s Maudlin, the unattractive hideous monstrosity who hit puberty so hard hair came out of her face. She can’t get no man, so she wants a UNICORN. A strong White magnificent horse-like beast she can ride and ride and ride. Oh, the hamster is strong in this one. And the Wheel of Life turns endlessly as the hamster runs quickly in endless circles. Like the sand in an hourglass after an hour or a VCR blinking 12:00 PM, time just seems to stand still when idiots dream about silly girlish fantasies.
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Ironic that feminists are talking about what women “deserve,” because they’re the ones that keep making videos with titles like “Women don’t owe you anything” and writing about how “No one owes you sex” when it comes to men.
The message, as always, is that women deserve the best while men deserve nothing. Then there’s the obsessive mocking of “nice guys.” What a dysfunctional bunch of people.
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Women deserve exactly what they can get. Sperm is plentiful in the universe; source so deigned it. The priceless eggs are the treasure, and the interpla7 between the candidates has, for so long now, made the game interesting for so many.
The error of the ages was made (rather recently) when wymmin were given the idea that they could think/plan (active force), as men are divinely ordained to do, and, thus, give up their (literal) birth rights as (passive force) sacred receivers of divine positives. Anti-evolutionary conspiracies, such as this, have always been laid directly at the (cloven) feet of the YKWs.
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Comment of the week
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Yep
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Sex with women is “costly.” It takes time to spend with the girl, have sex, extricate yourself. Then there are “drama” risks, rape risks, STD risks, etc. She could steal stuff from your home. She could get pregnant. She could have a thuggish boyfriend. You could be seen with her by someone. There is also the emotional black hole and evil nature of sleeping with women when a LTR is obviously not in the cards. It is demeaning and undignified to be with an unbecoming woman and feign attraction to her.
The biggest cost is opportunity cost of other women for the lesser woman. Maybe your true love arrives at the bar five minutes after you leave with her? Maybe you see her the next day and your game is off, feeling smaller after you sold your dignity. Maybe she senses the loathsome individual that you are? If so, fate has dealt with you appropriately.
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Reminded of this classic, smooth shivving of DumbHam, where a reporter asked why she’s naked so much on Girls, comparing it to Game of Thrones, in which the purpose of nudity is to be salacious and to titillate, while for her it serves no purpose, implicitly pointing out the Empress Penguin wears no clothes.
http://www.thewrap.com/judd-apatow-lena-dunham-get-mad-asking-shes-naked-much-girls/
Bonus points for driving FUPA-faced betaboy Judd Apatow into a white knighty ragefest to boot.
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I agree that it’s not about deserve, even though one can do things to earn love, such as being lovable and loving. Nobody owes anybody love though. Nobody owes anybody attraction, attention, or anything else. It is given because one wants to give it, or else it is worthless and unreal.
I have a theory about desire though. The question I asked myself when reading this post was what sort of man would actually want to be with Lena Dunham for more than a screw. He may not be Gay, but he would certainly be feminine. Like women judge physical beauty differently than men, maybe feminine men judge physical beauty differently than masculine men.
Masculine, especially alpha males may find the boner massaging potential in almost any woman, but the ones I’ve actually seen gain a commitment are either very feminine, or feminine in a way that matches the man. She will often look and behave like respected and respectable women in his family. So she might be tall, a bit chubby, or even fat, but she’s not lazy or lazy shaped. Compared to the guy, she’s a fragile flower…sometimes an aggressive one, but a flower.
Feminine men however, rarely go for that level of contrast to their masculinity. They usually go for women whom the balance is closer.
Still, since I was a tomboy in my youth, I got to have some honest talks with lots of men, and even the relatively feminine men usually, on the real, honestly *prefer* women who are more feminine than themselves sexually. There is a subset of those however, who have an almost female aesthetic and sensual profile. They like to feel someone heavier than them overwhelming them. They don’t enjoy containing women as much as they enjoy being contained.
These men who enjoy a sort of role reversal are usually the bookish types who would become doctors and other brain-heavy professionals. I noticed that in their histories, they were also usually sexually neglected, and bonus, didn’t get the kind of oedipal back they should have because their mothers were not very physically affectionate. Most of the affection they got from females in childhood came from another caregiver, such as a nanny or female relative. So they never got enough female physical affection in the way of being contained or held, to get tired of it and have that phase of asserting independence and other-ness as a boy.
This kind of guy would go for a Lena Dunham because despite his instinctive wiring, he is brought up to sexualize what inspires awe or fear (the badgirl or hostile girl), and can physically contain him. It’s not alpha liking them feisty or the beta needing someone with a good bead on the practical, and trading off looks for function. We’re talking about a touch starved child who grew up to be an adult whose sexual fantasy is basically a womb in which he masturbates rather than a separate person with a womb who he conquers and plants his seed.
In a nutshell, dude’s got mommy issues.
So it’s not so far fetched that in this day and age, a woman like her can get a “quality” man. People who are not actually having sex with a guy don’t know what he is like, and he may appear to be one who has it all together, but sometimes people have issues. You can see a guy as alpha or high quality, but he could have all sorts squirming in his psyche that you don’t see.
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Wow! What a put-down. Respect for that.
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Women want an alpha male. Those words alpha and beta (and omega) are talked a lot about online these days, in the manosphere and also in the real world. The origin of the word Alpha Male comes from Ethology. Quoting wikipedia: “In sociology, the alpha is the individual in the community with the highest rank. Male or Females or both can be alpha, depending on the species. Where one male and one female fulfill this role, they are referred to as the alpha pair [Ferdinand and Isabella]
Note also that “Beta” means second in command.
The meaning of these terms has shifted in public discourse in game and life circles, to mean, alpha=stud, ruler, leader, taker, and beta=loser, lonely masturbater, excuser, etc. That’s ok. I have no objection.
I maintain that what we now call alpha would in most cases in the past just be called ‘man’. Become an alpha would have been ‘become a man’. Being a man would not have been a given. You would have been seen as a boy. If you were a man, and to the extent you were one, the more you’d be generally attractive to women (no matter the race or type or personality or whatever- that is specific or special attractiveness, which you cannot do anything about, and attracts you to certain people more than others- soulmates if you like, which we can have thousands of). You have to do something about your general attractiveness, or specific attractiveness does not come into play. You have to be a man. You have to man up. In modern parlance, you have to learn to ‘become alpha’. If a whole society of men can be ‘alpha’ – and why not, and what sane woman wouldn’t want that- and I have never been there, but I envision Australia is more like this- then they are a society of men, but it shows the concept that alpha is no longer based on rank in a group or community. However, it can mean you are higher in rank than your woman. Maybe that’s what people mean.
Some women seem to be of the type where they choose one man as lover (alpha) and one man as provider (beta). Alpha fux beta bux. Well there is no logical reason why the one man cannot fulfill both roles .There is nothing unmanly about being a provider- i.e. the head of the household, bringer of the bacon, keeper of the fortress, raiser of the 8 household family. Society- particularly urbanized, modernized, atomized, has made it thus. Also some people self-select or just go along and comply. Alpha fuckers often have no intention of providing. Peter pan lovers. ok. Betas are so shy they will not get much action in most cases. I don’t doubt that many women are out there that will divide men in this way, unconsciously probably. I’m just saying it doesn’t have to be this way. Society may make it this way. I don’t know. It doesn’t have to be naturally. At least not for the duration of raising a baby into adolescence (15 years be her provider or whatever). See? Do I have your certification of attestation?
How to be alpha? Imagine a man who gets no chicks, in high school. In this sense he’s beta. But imagine he enters society. Let’s say he’s not even trying to run game. He realizes he wants chicks, or at least one good one. He wants female love, whether from many women or from one good loyal and beautiful one. That’s not all he wants from life importantly. He wants that but the deal is, he doesn’t know anything about ‘being masculine’ or ‘dominating’ or running game on women. However, he knows how to make good life decisions- i.e. choosing the right major to make a living at, or right path if he doesn’t do university (and there are so many options). He dresses well enough, classy or punkish, in a style t hat works for him. He keeps his place tidy and clean and decorated, as he accumulates through his own work and efforts and resourcefulness. He is nice to other guys, interesting to talk to, etc. Now I have described someone who is alpha you’d say, but let’s say he’s shy to women. All the sudden he’s beta. Well lets say this- he doesn’t know how to get a girl, because when he does, it backfires. Well lets say he accepts the idea that it’s a wasted pursuit. he decides to build a life. that’s not true, he doesn’t decide anything. He just does. He works hard, studies right, befriends people naturally by relating to them. Importantly- and here’s a critical link, he has a good time. He enjoys himself. He lives in the present. If he’s talking to a girl, wherever he looks, at her eyes or wherever, he’s enjoying himself. He has faith in other people. If they let him down, he forgets about it. You call him a natural? Maybe. Now he has a libido too of course. How does it happen?
My point is this, and I may not have said it right, but my question is- how can a person be beta if they are enjoying life? If they are happy and having a good time? Have you ever heard of a truly happy beta? A deeply happy and satisfied beta? I think it’s an oxymoron. If you’re happy, you’re alpha. I saw- a girl sent me this link when I was christian and on a christian dating site, a guy born without legs. He held court over thousands, but that’s just a symptom. he was a happy person. How can he be beta? And he had a gf! lol, lots of us 2 leggers cannot! Anyway religion gave things to people- both guidance and structure, as well as meaning. Also it can pervert and corrupt people- zionism and circumcision and turn the other cheek (absolutist ethics, when situational ethics are probably what’s needed). The bible and religion are a double-edged sword. I keep forgetting that. And if some neo-paganism or heathenism or whatnot is the best way, why don’t we have a scriptorium? is it because nature is our scripture? or people have tried but not been successful? the bible is a powerfully worded book. That is a true statement in so many ways. However, it is a double-edged sword. It has so many idiotic statements- taken literally. But people mock it and it’s power over the human mind, as well as certain prniciples of value contained therein. I am still not religious. I don’t worship a semetic mountain god lusting after baby foreskin, or a desert ‘mosiach’ come to save me from my violations against the commandments of this first tribal deity. No siree. The same good and bad I said about the bible can apply to the church as an institution. Let us not mock or alienate. Often I ignore them, but they come up and make themselves known, and I realize they have value in them. I might even go to church sometime to meet people, interact and socialize (not disclosing my real beliefs- what’s the point?). Yeah I’ll be a wolf in sheeps, lol. Woof.
College is expensive and hard, but it’s all about deferred gratification. Maybe that’s a manly trait. Sometimes one just has to hang in there, and make it through. Whatever decisions you made, including bad ones that set you back and cost you dearly, there is still a way to live forward and enjoy life. Today is the first day of the rest of your life.
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And it is for this reason exactly that women say they can’t find good men. When a beta bitch gets the chance to fuck an alpha male she thinks if she plays her cards right he’ll commit to her only. Hahaa….Alpha males want to be with alpha females. In today’s climate all women think extremely high of themselves including beta females. So much so that beta females rarely give beta males a chance cause they’re saving themselves for the Mr. RIGHT alpha male when he comes along . Well when alpha male who hasn’t had any in a while meets Ms.Beta female who’s saving herself for Mr. Right . Well we know the rest of that story .
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O/T: CH and others, ever notice that “naturals” actually tend to get married earlier than “learned players”, who are much more likely to be bachelors for life? Small sample set warning: I’ve hung out with four guys who I’d classify as true, gold-standard Naturals. 3 out of 4 were married before their 30th birthday.
– First guy was just a ridiculous hound in his early twenties, nearly every hot girl in my graduating class, he had boned. Got married at 24 to a cute semi-slooty girl nowhere near his best. Still makes no sense to me. At the time I thought he was checking out of the game due to herpes or something. I took some schaudenfraude in this, one of my first game lessons was when I was 17 and he AMOG’d me really dirty to steal a 9 from me. This prompted a Google search that led to MM and the then-nascent PUA scene. I owe him a fuck you and a thank you.
– Another guy was 5 years older than me, who took me under his wing a bit, always gave me little natural bits like “make them laugh and don’t call them”. laycount estimate: low triple digits. got married at 26 to a gorgeous girl, but she was also 26 (a former college fling). cursory analysis: K-selected guy who did a superb job sowing oats.
– Third guy, the impetus for my comment. I’d say he was the “coolest” guy I’ve known. You’d instantly like him if you met him. Just got married this past weekend to a single mother. She is 22 (7 years younger than him) and about as hot as a single mother can be. still, single mother. if that makes you doubt his “natural” cred, I guess I’ll just say trust me. I watched him serially date headturners three points above him for a decade.
A logical conclusion is that being a natural in microinteractions with women doesn’t mean a guy is “red-pilled” so to speak, on the wide-sweeping implications of the sexual market. Introverts, being slower starters and more analytical are more likely to spend large amounts of time reading and thinking about gender relations and apply it to their life. Another possible guess is that “pleasure of sex” trumps “thrill of the hunt” for many (most?) naturals, so they marry a toe-curling lay who does the twisty hand thing during blowjobs. Its likely a confluence of these factors. A third explanation, being that they’re all White, is that they aged into family oriented, settled down type guys, but it doesn’t jive with my lying eyes at all: none of these guys have kids.
(Another interesting aside about naturals: none, I repeat NONE, of the naturals I’ve known were classically good-looking. None were fat or ugly, but all had at least modest physical flaws, whether it be height, hairline, face, whatever. Conversely, the really good looking guys (no homo) that I’ve known all had average skills with women. I roomed with a male model in college who banged ~3 hot girls a year but could not keep one beyond a few lays.)
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(So, no, the Lean Dunhams of the world …)
Lean Dunham … intentional or not, the irony is delicious.
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“This is a sexual market reality that trips up a lot of bitter men who have a weird need to imagine women have it incredibly easy and men must do all the lovelorn suffering”
Unless you consider not being fat incredibly difficult, you’re wrong, if not by your own admission. You should probably quit browsing Wizardchan.
Basically all a woman has to do is not get fat. Keep the fat off, do some exercise, don’t eat garbage, that’s pretty much the key to the cock carousel.
[CH: you missed the point of the post. for women, sex is not victory. women want love with a high value man. and that victory is a lot more elusive for the less attractive of them.
ps ugly thin girls have trouble getting laid too.]
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“missed the point of the post”
I don’t think so: the Cock Carousel. Not every man is part of that carousel, only the “high value” men. Once woman drops fat, the game is now hers to decide, as you always remind us. The point when she can no longer decide, which is the same moment the Cock Carousel starts spinning, is the moment she has her high value men committing. In a way, the female psyche is fail proof, as long as she isn’t fat.
[CH: don’t forget age. and ugliness. it isn’t just fat.]
“ugly thin girls have trouble getting laid too”
Thing is, truly ugly women are kinda rare,
[belle curves. there are a bottom 20% of women just like a bottom 20% of men. the female dregs won’t have it quite as tough as the male dregs, but they’ll still have it tough. many of them will endure grinding incel and insol spells.]
disregarding SMV, personal preference, race. I contend that 80% of ugliness is because of fat, FAT and AGE.
[a thin- and age-adjusted belle curve would still have women ranked 1 to 10, with most of them bunching up in the 4-7 range.
(and yes, i know that the tails on a male bell curve would be fatter.)]
I mean,the reason why Lena Dunham is always naked on screen is precisely because she’s a fatass; she thinks that by pornographic force of repetition she can free women from their only constraint, modern women at least. But there’s an irony here that she is loathe to admit but consciously knows, otherwise ‘Girls’ wouldn’t exist.
[lena is also facially unattractive; even thin there are many men who would look right past her at prettier girls.
bottom line: women are generally more sexually selective than men, but that’s not the same as saying men aren’t sexually selective at all.]
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“ugly thin girls have trouble getting laid too”
Ugly thin girls get more YT dick than ugly fat ones.
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And for one, I’d (probably) rather bang an ugly thin chick than a cute fat one. The fat one probably stinks, among other issues.
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I do think it’s a biological, visceral thing, as CH has mentioned many times [i.e., how men have fine tuned our split second reaction to a woman’s face and body] — similar to the reflex reaction we get to gross things, such as snakes or to, say, faeces or a decomposing body. sure, we can train against the puke or flight reaction, but only if we train it. I think we may go through with sleeping with a fat girl or an ugly, thin girl, or worse, an ugly, fat girl, but deep down, we’re holding down our puke, figuratively speaking. I remember going on a date years and years ago [before the advent of CH et al., and when I didn’t know any better in terms of consciously handling things], which I sabotaged because deep down I knew I’d feel ill the morning after were I to sleep with her. Neck down she was fit, trim, etc. Personality-wise, she was nice, too. But above the neck I couldn’t face her. I felt the “victory” of sleeping with her just wasn’t worth it. And this wasn’t some alpha attitude thing back then. It was just: “god, I feel awful for feeling this, but the face is sadly hideous, etc.”
I think as CH mentioned previously — because we all inevitably age and because a woman will hit the wall, the most she can do is to stay in shape, don’t abuse her body with excessive alcohol/drugs/smoking/sun, etc. That’s all she can control, along with a healthy, respectful, grateful attitude and pragmatically adjusted attitude. Otherwise, it’ll be a demoralizing experience post-wall.
If you’re a woman who’s bitter, militant, entitled, spoiled, post-wall & fat then heaven help you. It’s simple reality. Whatever panacea she gives herself (e.g., men with their sour grapes, women get sexier as they get older, confidence is sexy, accomplishments are sexy, etc.), reality will be her remorseless, merciless teacher.
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“god, I feel awful for feeling this”
This is the feeling of shame. Always good to trust this feeling, will save you much trouble and embarrassment.
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I liked the episode. Patrick Wilson wasn’t an alpha, he was a handsome and successful guy hamstrung by blue pill conditioning. His wife left him and he had no idea how to handle Lena when she threw herself at him. Compare with the artist guy who pumped and dumped Marnie around the same time.
The point is, getting a good job and going to the gym aren’t enough if you’re beta. The camera even cuts to his expensive whiskey and barbell plates before she gets up and leaves, tingles gone.
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Once again, cheteau delivers with a zinger. My only beef is considering Dumpling a “4”…damn, I mean we all have our tastes, but she is at best a 2 to a drunken sailor and even In my horniest most testosterone drenched days a 1.5.
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Is it true that doctors in the US have such a high social status?Because in the UK or pretty much anywhere in Europe being a doctor in eyes of women is lower than being a Starbucks manager.For sure it does not make any man sexually more attractive. A mate of mine (who is a surgeon) actually lies on his Tinder profile about his profession.I don’t mind saying it but the reactions from girls are pretty cold usually, so I try to throw my hobbies first (extreme sports).
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Here’s my entry for Beta of the Decade: Jack Antonoff from the band Fun.
1) He’s currently dating Lena Dunham
2) He went to high school with Scarlett Johansson and actually DATED HER
Normally dorky guys like him start off dating fatties like Lena Dunham and then upgrade to Scarlett Johanssons when they attain fame, wealth, and status. This guy did a complete 180, dating one of the hottest actresses of our time while a nobody and then absolutely debasing himself to date a human Treasure Troll when he’s in a successful band. I just don’t have the words for this.
[CH: the words are this: he’s a closet fag. bank on it.]
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Deserve? No. 2 wife for Chucky Manson, if lucky.
“a 4 like Dunham doesn’t get sex from handsome doctors, let alone commitment.”</i
I wouldn't let my dog fuck her. I'm not a tyrant, mind, I don't mind if he rolls in cowshit or eats garbage.
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I don’t disagree with the article. I do find it interesting that Dunham’s current boyfriend is a musician who used to date Scarlet Johannson, though.
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This dated Scarlett Johannson? http://assets-s3.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/66798-lena-dunham-shares-sweet-love-letter-to-boyfriend-jack-antonoff-from-fun-read-it/1380658423_lena-dunham-jack-antonoff-zoom.jpg
I am sure she dated after LSNFTEing an alpha.
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Actually, heavy chicks can land some pretty good men, as long as they up their game in other areas. Have seen IRL.
In fact, if you look at actor Patrick Wilson’s IRL wife, Dagmara Dominczyk, she covers it artfully, but she’s as hefty as Lena Dunham, except with a pretty face & much bigger boobs.
Also, and this is key, she’s Polish. And anyone who’s had experience with Polish women knows they just seem to know how to make a man their own.
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When I saw the preview of this episode of Girls I yelled “bullshit” at the screen, but having seen the episode, I can say that the circumstances under which Patrick Wilson’s character fucks Lena Dunham’s character are totally believable.
It is established (after a scantily clad Lena knocks on his door and practically throws herself on him) that he has been unwillingly separated from his wife for months (and so probably hasn’t gotten laid in many more months). He had probably just been getting over his wife and thinking of getting back in the game when here comes an early 20s girl willing to fuck.
So he is a 40-something, who has been fucking the same bitch for 20+ years, and then some 4, who is merely as old as his dead marriage, throws herself at him. I think a 4 of a 24 year old probably registers as a 6 to a 44 year old who hasn’t gotten laid in a year. (It isn’t like she is 400lbs and riddled with cystic acne.)
In the end they have a weekend fling, never leaving his brownstone, and then it’s over. I buy it.
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Kill me, but her face is OK (even beautiful at times), tits are very fine, skin is beautiful and body is indeed repulsive only because she’s fat and cellulite-ridden (otherwise shapes are fine). Estrogen hormones are high on her, bringing both feminity and innate tendency to become a bulldozer. If she cared about herself and went to gym, she would be fairly attractive in fact…
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