There is a card that women can play which is not readily available to men. That is the exhibitionism card, and women are capable of playing this hand with manipulative glee.
The Manipulative Exhibitionist (“the ME girl” for short) uses her body and her girlishness to get a rise out of men. She is usually a BPD attention whore with a strong streak of self-love, although every woman of sufficient youth and attractiveness will occasionally indulge in a spate of manipulative exhibitionism — how else will a girl get a man’s attention if she doesn’t advertise her goods at least a little bit? — for various purposes.
Those purposes include, but are not limited to:
Feeling attractive again to men after the end of a long relationship.
Thrill-seeking.
Capturing the interest of an aloof alpha male.
Tormenting beta males or the boyfriends of her girl friends.
Testing her sexual market value after a big weight loss/new hairdo/new clothes.
Passive-aggressive acting out stemming from psychological control freak issues.
Sending a message to her BFFs who are in happy relationships that she still has the power to steal their men.
As you can see, the ME girl’s manipulations can run the spectrum from clumsily benign (heavy-handed flirting with a man she likes) to sadistically malign (cockteaser/social circle saboteur). Most girls are on the less evil end of the ME spectrum, but there are a nontrivial minority of ME girls who are breathtakingly exploitative, and among them the majority are likely sociopaths or even psychopaths. (For proof of the obligate ME girl’s sociopathy, try calling out an ME girl on her antics and get ready for a shit river of obfuscating denial and blame-shifting.)
A girl who is simply showing a little skin or acting girlish in an effort to flirt with you is easily parried. A dab of push-pull will do ya.
GIRL: [showing leg, letting her skirt creep up and watching your reaction] Wow, take a picture it’ll last longer!
DEVIL’S MENTOR: I don’t want a picture of your knobby knees.
But that’s Game 101. What about the ME girls who take it to the next level? How would you handle a girl who, for instance, while tipping her chest to show you the deepest ravine of her cleavage says things like, “Be careful, your girlfriend’s watching”, right in front of your gf/date? Or the girl who jumps in your lap, grinds into you as your friends nervously laugh, and hops off blithely announcing, “uh oh, someone’s getting the wrong idea!” (She will say this even if no part of you got the wrong idea.) Or what about the girl who goes to the bathroom at house parties with the door open, talking to people outside during which you can hear her piss hit the water? Or the girl who, elevating her ME craft to levels of artistry unknown in the pre-modern world, gives you a Basic Instinct glimpse of her underskirt bare pussy, lingers in that position for a w(hole) note beat, then snaps her legs shut and accusatorially asks if you “enjoyed the show”.
The worst of the ME girls are power-tripping narcissists who love inciting sexual arousal in men, but especially in men with whom they have no reciprocal romantic interest. I.e., the classic cocktease, on roids. This is important, because the ME girl’s feeling of control and power over men would be harder to sustain in the presence of a man who likewise aroused her own curiosity.
The Power Tripper ME girl loves the reaction of sex-struck beta males driven to catatonic impotence, but she loves even more the consequent opportunity to put those betas in their places. This is why more than a few Power Trippers are past-peak women in their late 20s and early 30s; she is the woman in dire need of reassurance that she still has the slut stuff to play bumbling betas for marionettes.
Power Trippers will also try to provoke alpha males, but usually only alphas who are spoken for by another woman (typically the PT’s bestie girl friend). This is the darkest soul of PTME girls, the part of them that is nourished by triumphant demonstrations of their slutty allure over “off-limits” alpha men who are hamstrung by their relationships from retaliating in kind (aka pushing the PTME girl to a bedroom finale).
These are the girls you will need to learn how to handle, for your own mental peace as much as for the bang possibilities. If you let an ME girl run roughshod over you, she will be emboldened to worse behavior the next time you two are in the same room together. And, her female form of sadism is boundless, so there’s a real risk she’ll segue her power hungry exhibitionism into blowing up the relationships of her friends.
I’ve found that calling the ME girl’s bluff can backfire if you aren’t prepared to go toe to toe with her during the drawn-out aftermath. If an ME girl gets point-blank called out, she’ll respond with a greater range of theatrics than you thought she possessed. Expect her loudness and mannerisms to intensify, because she has a cultivated insensitivity to the fallout from making a scene in public. There is a danger too that she will act out like a dishonored maiden, signaling to any brave and stupid white knights in the immediate vicinity to rush to her defense.
The better response is to humorously clue her into the fact that you know what she’s up to, without going all the way to angrily indicting her for malfeasant immodesty.
“Jiggling your tits? That’s quaint, like something my grandma would’ve done back in her day. How many men does that work on?”
“Hey, what do you think this place is, a brothel?”
“You’re all class.”
“The burlesque club is down the street.”
“I was about to say ‘show me your tits’ but you beat me to it.”
“You’re gonna have to try harder than that.” (If she plays innocent and asks what you mean by that, summon the spirit of The Trumpening and say, “Your game is weak, you’re a weak game-having girl. Give me a real challenge.”)
If she ups the ante and says something like, “No way, you’re a creepy perv. Your head is in the wrong place”, keep teasing her for her bad acting at playing the innocent naif.
“Whatever, I’m not the one [going commando/leaving the bathroom door open/pretending like my boobs aren’t “””accidentally””” falling out of my shirt].”
Laugh her off, win over the crowd, and the ME girl is humbled. You might not see much of her again after your victory, because she prefers easy marks who won’t know what they’re up against, and untrammeled social pastures where her reputation hasn’t yet caught up to her.

I dealt with the “ooh wrong idea girl” with the following: “Nah, that’s just the gun in my pocket. And I ALWAYS have the wrong ideas.”
She turned about 5 shades red and all but ran to the ladies room.
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I’ve dealt with it too, flip it and own it. When she sits in your lap, pat her on the leg and say, “Hey, shall we talk about the first thing that pops up?”
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Women think their cleavage is kryptonite to men. For a lot of married office betas it is. It is highly irritating to have some woman displaying her cleavage and using that as a basis to inflict non-verbal micro-aggressions on me; it’s not that I am checking out her rack, it’s that she assumes I am powerless before it and she can select from a range of responses that usually converges to her haughtily acting victimized. A common tactic is for them to display their cleavage and then throw their hair-knot in front of it as if I was ogling them. I didn’t ask for this shit.
And if you have had lots of interactions with women in your life, if you have an active and abundant dating life, you know the wares she is carefully displaying in the sterile confines of Encorpera are no big deal. Or to quote a male co-worker on seeing the office gals at the pool party “They spend a lot of time dolling themselves up so they look hot at work but once you see them in a bikini they don’t look so good.”
Outside the workplace, what the hell, women have been showing me their breasts my entire life. Often some sales clerk or functionary will bend over and give me a long enjoyable gaze at her bosom. I mean she just really needs to fetch that item under the counter for some reason while I stand there. If my wife is with me they will make an even bigger show of it.
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“A common tactic is for them to display their cleavage and then throw their hair-knot in front of it as if I was ogling them.”
The one tactic I’ve witnessed is when they’re wearing a revealing top and call attention to it by pulling up their shirt or somehow maneuvering so as to generate stares.
Sometimes I like to watch competing cleavage coverage, where girls with modest chests try to create the same cleavage as those brickhouse chicks. One day, Chesty Larue is wearing an exposed top, next day, Itsy Besty’s doing what she can do do the same.
What’s worse is when they’re old, wearing clothes from Forever 21 and think that’ll work. Fuck no!
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Dueling Cleavage. It’s funny cause it’s true!
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>Wearing clothes from Forever 21
When they should be shopping at “Forever 39”
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I’m reminded of this time, a number of years back now, when I was delivering pizza. I got to the house and this woman came out in a cut-up sweatshirt (bare midriff, no sleeves, neck cut out with a v-notch into the front) and while she might have been an 8 in her prime she was several years past that. She paid by check, leaned way over while signing (no bra) and gave me no tip on the bill. That she thought seeing the tip of her nip is better than cash to the pizza guy still baffles me since it’s not like I didn’t know where she lived. Maybe it was an invitation.
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Speaking of Dueling Cleavage, my son Shemp works at a pizza joint. We have been toying with the idea of writing a reality show script about pizza delivery called “Deliverance”.
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And now several hundred Eskimos, who monitor this site for various subsidiaries of Mossad Inc, are furiously speed-dialing their cousins in Los Angeles, to tell them, “Yo, Ari, I just had this awesome idea of writing a reality show script about pizza delivery called ‘Deliverance’. Get me a meeting with Spielberg’s people.”
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You really should Elmer. If you need any anecdotes, let me know. I got a million.
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“Yo, Ari, I just had this awesome idea of writing a reality show script about pizza delivery called ‘Deliverance’. Get me a meeting with Spielberg’s people.”
Well that’s funny because a recent post of mine that didn’t make it through moderation described how I have been reading about the Jews and thinking of converting to Judaism for the business contacts. We also had an idea for a movie script about two Iowa bumpkins who travel to Hollywood to make it big and slowly realize it’s run by Jews. Most of the gags center around their complete cluelessness about Jews. So they kidnap a studio head in an attempt to get him to divulge the secret handshakes. At one point he screams at them “You’re not a fuckin Jew!!!”
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Women think their cleavage is kryptonite to men. For a lot of married office betas it is.
Whereas men who know better, and who have seen that sort of thing many times before, take it as flirtytime.
And if nothing comes of it, who cares? It’s still fun.
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CH,
Thanks for this game tip. Way good stuff in it.
Elmer,
If my wife is with me they will make an even bigger show of it.
One time I was West Coast Swing dancing with a woman and lead her in…and when I gave her the dance lead to back up she kept coming and rubbed her tits all over me.
Then she bugged out.
I was holding my infant child and my wife was 40-feet away at the time.
She and i had a near miss a couple of years earlier, before I got married.
I figured out later that it was all about her and her self image…but it certainly blew my mind at the time.
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Last time a girl jumped in my lap that way I pushed her off and said “sorry, you have to ask first and my GF is a lot better”. She gave me a face like “how dare you” and went away.
I had no interest in follow up as she was only a chubby 5.
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Salon publishes 20 Trump essays per day. Today’s headliner :
Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire bozo rules the GOP
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/10/emasculated_white_men_love_donald_trump_the_real_reason_a_billionaire_bozo_rules_the_gop/#comments
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I thought that photo looked familiar. . .
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That head could be used as a beacon for aliens looking where to land their spacecraft.
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Salon publishes 20 Trump essays per day.
…heh.
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And National Review is aping Salon. Their latest, a Quin Hillyer piece praising Bobby Jindal for his attack on Trump. They support someone with less than one percent of the votes over the front runner: way to be in touch with the masses.
Quin Hillyer was one of the ten founders of the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism. Their purpose was to attack David Duke, who people liked too much for not wanting Whites to become a minority. And now Hillyer is a National Review writer.
A National Review strongly supported homosexual marriage long before the Supreme Court dictate. National Review’s Jonah Goldberg has declared that “a movement that embraces Donald Trump cannot be conservative” – only pro-immigration folks are conservative, I guess.
Look in to the #NRORevolt Twitter hashtag sometime, it’s fun. And it clearly pisses them off, judging from their replies.
Hmm, Jonah Goldberg, Ezra Klein … it’s odd how many Jewish names there are in the anti-Trump camp. Despite Trump having donated to Israeli causes, marched for Israel, and having a daughter who married a Tribesman and converted to Judaism. They are indeed the worst possible allies: they demand complete loyalty to their own causes at the expense of yours, and if you stray in any issue they’ll drop you immediately no matter how much you have done for them.
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Trump Game FTW “Your game is weak, you’re a weak game-having girl. Give me a real challenge”
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“uh oh, someone’s getting the wrong idea!”
Nah, right idea. Wrong ass.
Men have to reframe these situations so that it’s not their sexuality or value that’s on trial.
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Or there’s this…
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He spanked a chick in the middle of the street too in McClintock. Hilarious alpha movie
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McClintock is basically a PUA movie
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They don’t make spatula commercials like they used to!
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Easiest move here is amused mastery and to assume the sale (a basic go-to for any game situation). A response to any of these transparent acts goes something like this…
HB7.5: *purposely puts her tits right next to your face when you’re sitting at a crowded bar* then says “ugh, stop drooling!”
Alpha TRUMP Clone Male: “Nahhh, you have to be thiiiis [tall, skinny, thick, young, old, modest, whatever] to ride this ride”.
Be sure to make wild hand arm motions and project your voice for emphasis. She’ll either hate you or moisten on the spot. Either way you win.
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so if a woman flashes something, say a tit, or a cunt, then it was probably deliberate and you push back. got it. they don’t make mistakes often do they.
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Yeah. When they do that, it’s playtime.
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lol this guy is pretty alpha
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@7:00… “I would rather have 20% of a good man than 0”. Now, where I have I heard THAT before?
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He’d be more alpha if he wasn’t married to them… think about that.
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While waiting tables the other day, in the back of the house (kitchen) some almost 7 was singing “Like a Virgin” and somewhat shaking her ass. I beat her to the next line of the chorus (touched for the very first time) and chimed in loudly: “back when you were nine!” Everyone laughed. She was embarrassed and started to protest, blah blah blah. I just walked away, I really didn’t smile at all. Of course the girls laughed the most, especially the uglier ones.
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I like seeing boobies. Doesn’t count unless I see nipple though.
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Heartiste,
I do hope you took a break from the grind and enjoyed some well-deserved summer R and R.
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The best option is to ignore them. Sends a message to all women watching, and they ARE watching.
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The woman I know who by far best fits this description makes her living as a call girl (she prefers to describe herself as an escort), and she has been doing this line of making money for quite a very long while now (many years). There really isn’t anything you can say to her that will throw her off when she is playing this game until you call her out as a prostitute. She doesn’t like that at all – but the point being is that if you dish back, she will continue escalating until there is no where else to go (like you would think she would see it coming). She somehow disassociates about the prostitute thing.
Needless to say I don’t know her anymore (impossible to stay acquainted with someone with her mix of traits).
The most unusual part about it though, is that she actually came by all this somewhat honestly in that she is by far the best fucks I ever had even though she wasn’t all the good in bed. It was how much my body at a very deep level wanted to be inside her to deposit my seed there, like my body completely took over all my other faculties, and wanted very badly to make this woman pregnant even though that was the last thing in the world my head wanted. It was like I was on drugs – very primal and wild and I don’t really know how to explain it. When she was with me for awhile (in-between prostitution stints, which she didn’t fully refrain from – I don’t think someone like that can actually fully refrain) I mostly covered up but had to go get a morning after pill for he a few times too. She could drive pretty much any other guy wild too (plus alot of women wanted to get with her too).
This woman just seemed to drip hormones. She will still be doing this when she is 50. Wow. Maybe she can’t help herself in the sense that her body-hormone thing is just so over the top “on” that her head has no choice but to follow and go along for the ride (which doesn’t work very well at all for her head I couldn’t help but notice). Anyway that time with her was very crazy and trippy and ain’t doin that again.
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Since the analyses of your experiences are quite painstakingly dissected with the depth of a financial baron’s Auger at Oak Island; to many a man’s dismay, this is often begrudgingly devastating initially, albeit cathartic in the long term. As an aside to the loyal readers; the women mentioned in this post are the most toxically contaminated specimens of the feminine imperative and nearly antithetical to the masculine bedrock of achievement in life and relationships. Arrests, deaths, threats, and ruin all come to mind.
Have any of you parried an uncomfortable moment of your beaus wandering eye with a bemused ‘he’s got a great job too’ with perhaps a past due methane exclamation, and the occasional skid mark? Your body does this because of the excessive amount of mental Merconium being shoveled into your being. This is the way, but nay with this PTME.
It behooves any reader of this blog to internalize this post as subconsciously and consciously as absolutely possible. These warnings are scarce and the losses are potentially maximal. Beware the Narcissist, BPD fembot, and the mentally berated husband (father of your beau). Absentee fathers are easier to calculate their affect; maternally punished and catatonic fathers with an Iron Will to move mountains (e.g. insufferable Yankee fucks) may be your only Glowing Mast of St. Elmo’s Fire among the smoky sea of lies and treachery of the PTME. Your critical assessment of her father’s willingness to have his balls pulled through his throat may undoubtedly save your very well being and life. These signs are not always on Broadway, so meditate on awareness before meeting parental figures if this situation would be in your wheelhouse. Download your input and analyze it, for it could save everything you are. Pay it forward.
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I just give ’em the fast-flying Canadian goose (WaWa) after they get up from my lap.
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GIRL: [showing leg, letting her skirt creep up and watching your reaction] Wow, take a picture it’ll last longer!
This reminds me of Nicole Scherzinger with Conan O’Brien: “Focus, Conan.”
“Let’s be real here for a second. You didn’t think I was gonna look down there?” What makes a guy like Conan successful is that he can think fast and come up with something to say.
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I’d give Conan a B- grade. The Agree and Amplify was good, but it was rather too over-the-top.
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Well, he had to think fast. And he had to do something to entertain the audience. Yes, Agree and Amplify, I forgot to add that.
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That was solid. He took a few seconds to let the noise die down, then playfully called her out for letting her tits hang out.
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The motorboat was pretty good…
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Better Answer: “I *was* focusing….”
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“Boner test failure.”
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It is interesting how feminists support Manipulate Exhibitionism. Most feminists become the way they are because they hate, hate, hate seeing the attractive girls in school get all the attention. They hate the girls and the guys. They promote ugly button-up clothing for the girls. But then they turn around and defend these girls when they use their attractive looks and revealing clothes in a slutty way. The rule being that whenever there is a conflict with men, the men are wrong, in order to fish for more female supporters.
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I’ve used these lines with success:
“I know what you’re trying to do”
“Get it together”
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I like “get it together.” Simple and to the point. Has a subtle admonishing quality to it.
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Yet another manufactured wardrobe malfunction.
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It’s nice to be mostly retired from this kind of uber-exhibitionism “for uhhfffect” as it were, but one rejoinder comes to mind: “Last time I saw a move like that was under a table in Pattaya.”
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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How’s your lawsuit going?
What lawsuit?
Against your plastic surgeon.
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Girl I’m banging sends me a photo of herself posing on a beach in a bikini wearing those Jackie O sunglasses and a big floppy white sunhat.
Me: “Did a pizza land on your head?” followed by a photo of a guy tossing a pizza that looks like her hat.
A few girls i’m banging send me sexy selfies. You can’t totally discourage this behavior but you can’t be a thirsty beta.
I usually just reply with “Oy”.
If girls post suggestive selfies and tons of thirsty betas comment, I usually ignore…
An HB8 I know but never banged posted photos of herself with a broken ankle. I think in a bid to get sympathy. Tons of guys wrote: “Get well” or “Take care”.
I replied with; “WHen I said have a nice trip, I didn’t mean that” mine was the only one she replied to.
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Contrast game in action… nice.
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‘I didn’t think you’d take “Break a leg” literally.’
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Wala – similar to this. I sent your lion tail bite pic to re-engage a 19 year old girl who had flaked on me last week for a first date. She replied with a sexy nude (covered) pic of herself saying “my latest photoshoot”. I was like “you look pensive..interesting hair though” (dyed pink). LOL.
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Anything genital/panty related: “Your HPV is showing.”
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Have you scheduled an appt. at the free clinic yet?
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“How would you handle a girl who, for instance, while tipping her chest to show you the deepest ravine of her cleavage says things like, “Be careful, your girlfriend’s watching”, right in front of your gf/date?”
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“I’m sure she’s as unimpressed as I am.”
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“I’ve seen better”
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my favorite: “eww..I wish i hadn’t seen that”
usually gets their full attention.
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Well, all women are exhibitionists to one degree of the other. I am the type to tell women to send me naked selfies, so when one tries the ME routine on me, I start critiquing them. “Show me some nipple.” “I see you didn’t shave today. You should try lasering and never have to shave again.” “With a good lap dance, I should get hard. Try again.” I find it best to get sexually aggressive with them, even if I’m with another girl. If they are persistent, show them your masculine strength. Grab them by the arm, squeeze hard, and drag them out toward your car, saying, “OK, let’s go.” The shock is priceless. Bonus points for leaving a bruise.
Have fun with it.
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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Wala and gang
2 Questions re laser eyes and the Question Game
Question re laser eyes. I’ve been trying to actively practice what YaReally posted over on RM about laser eyes – looking at girls eyes with bedroom eyes while she yaps on, till she trails off, speaking slower and lower etc. Trying actively not to stare. All in the last few days.
I’ve only tried it twice (consciously) but I’m having trouble making it work – I never reach that lock-in point Ya talks about where their RAS focusses on me – they just seem to yap on and on (sometimes they might stop and ask “why are you staring?”).
First time was with a 33 year old I’ve already banged and who really has the hots for me – we were meeting up again for a drink pre-bang. No doubt of her attraction to me – already banged plus she was pretty close to humping my leg from being turned on. But: laser eyes didn’t work.
Second time: 24 year old 7-7.5, sassy, first date from a sugar daddy site (I’m still working through my backlog of old numbers in other cities although I’ve stopped using those sites).
Date itself didn’t go great – about 1 in 4 of my first dates tends to devolve into a kind of friendly chat and this was one of them (I’ve posted about them before). Details not that important – I know I didn’t up my dominance and escalation hard/fast enough and basically didn’t put her into a defensive crouch enough to give her tingles. There were a few moments very early on when I “felt” an open door a bit (she qualified a bit, blushed when I called her sexy etc), but I let those opportunities slip.
Although I did pretty well in terms of staying unreactive and talking about sexual topics. But never got through to her emotionally (her pupils were dilated but that’s not a cert in itself). The biggest tell was that she wouldn’t come in and cuddle up to the couch and insisted on sitting back at the far end as if she was sitting for an interview – I find generally that this tell has a 90%+ correlation with whether a girl is into me and will kiss me or not – if she cuddles up, it’s on, and if not, not.
I kept trying to kiss her, but kept getting the cheek (each time I just moved on as if nothing happened and tried later, but no cigar). Like half a dozen times.
Of course, this being a sugar daddy site girl, the whole interaction must also be looked at (as Sentient says) as motivations being a bit polluted – all of this could also be NOT my fault and simply her being too keen on wanting a sugar daddy (24, pretty, works boring admin job, lives with parents), although she never said anything about it.
Anyway, the point being, I did a LOT of laser eyes with her with strong EC, and low deep voice etc, and it simply didn’t work. Once or twice she stopped and asked why I was staring at her etc, but mostly she just yapped on, partly looking at me and partly looking away. Anyway, the date ended with polite goodbyes and I’ll obviously never see her again.
So now I have two girls from opposite ends of the attraction scale on whom laser eyes had no effect? Is it just a question of more practice or am I doing something else wrong?
Separate issue: I played the Questions Game with this girl and it was terrible. She actually said “I hate to sound harsh but there’s nothing I really want to ask about you – I feel asking each other questions is artificial and its better to get to know each other naturally”. Of course, this was towards the end and her lack of attraction for me was established by this time, but as a general point I find that the Question Game works spectacularly well if the girl actually PLAYS it with me, but a very substantial number of girls (in person and text) don’t WANT to play it. Like they just don’t want to be put under the pressure of having to think of questions and being cross-examined.
What do I do with these girls? Just try to weave the questions into the conversation and ask them without formally saying it’s like a game?
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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Wala and gang
1. 2 Questions re laser eyes and the Question Game
2. Question re laser eyes. I’ve been trying to actively practice what YaReally posted over on RM about laser eyes – looking at girls eyes with bedroom eyes while she yaps on, till she trails off, speaking slower and lower etc. Trying actively not to stare. All in the last few days.
3. I’ve only tried it twice (consciously) but I’m having trouble making it work – I never reach that lock-in point Ya talks about where their RAS focusses on me – they just seem to yap on and on (sometimes they might stop and ask “why are you staring?”).
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4. First time was with a 33 year old I’ve already banged and who really has the hots for me – we were meeting up again for a drink pre-bang. No doubt of her attraction to me – already banged plus she was pretty close to humping my leg from being turned on. But: laser eyes didn’t work.
5. Second time: 24 year old 7-7.5, sassy, first date from a sugar daddy site (I’m still working through my backlog of old numbers in other cities although I’ve stopped using those sites).
6. Date itself didn’t go great – about 1 in 4 of my first dates tends to devolve into a kind of friendly chat and this was one of them (I’ve posted about them before). Details not that important – I know I didn’t up my dominance and escalation hard/fast enough and basically didn’t put her into a defensive crouch enough to give her tingles. There were a few moments very early on when I “felt” an open door a bit (she qualified a bit, blushed when I called her sexy etc), but I let those opportunities slip.
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7. Although I did pretty well in terms of staying unreactive and talking about sexual topics. But never got through to her emotionally (her pupils were dilated but that’s not a cert in itself). The biggest tell was that she wouldn’t come in and cuddle up to the couch and insisted on sitting back at the far end as if she was sitting for an interview – I find generally that this tell has a 90%+ correlation with whether a girl is into me and will kiss me or not – if she cuddles up, it’s on, and if not, not.
8. I kept trying to kiss her, but kept getting the cheek (each time I just moved on as if nothing happened and tried later, but no cigar). Like half a dozen times.
9. Of course, this being a sugar daddy site girl, the whole interaction must also be looked at (as Sentient says) as motivations being a bit polluted – all of this could also be NOT my fault and simply her being too keen on wanting a sugar daddy (24, pretty, works boring admin job, lives with parents), although she never said anything about it.
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10. Anyway, the point being, I did a LOT of laser eyes with her with strong EC, and low deep voice etc, and it simply didn’t work. Once or twice she stopped and asked why I was staring at her etc, but mostly she just yapped on, partly looking at me and partly looking away. Anyway, the date ended with polite goodbyes and I’ll obviously never see her again.
11. So now I have two girls from opposite ends of the attraction scale on whom laser eyes had no effect? Is it just a question of more practice or am I doing something else wrong?
12. Separate issue: I played the Questions Game with this girl and it was terrible. She actually said “I hate to sound harsh but there’s nothing I really want to ask about you – I feel asking each other questions is artificial and its better to get to know each other naturally”. Of course, this was towards the end and her lack of attraction for me was established by this time, but as a general point I find that the Question Game works spectacularly well if the girl actually PLAYS it with me, but a very substantial number of girls (in person and text) don’t WANT to play it. Like they just don’t want to be put under the pressure of having to think of questions and being cross-examined.
13. What do I do with these girls? Just try to weave the questions into the conversation and ask them without formally saying it’s like a game?
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Culum… Just seeing the holds releaased.lol.
On laser eye, try it in straight cold approach settings and see how it works. I think it is more powerful coming from a place of surprise, in the sense that she knows nothing about you that is informing her hamster, and the situation can just unfold and draw her into it.
On a tactical level, some things to play with- try at first not giving her all your attention, look around the room while she speaks or fiddle with your drink and just glance back occassionally at her. Keep your body a little titled away. This will usually make her lean in more or hold your gaze more when you do give it to her.
Also I find neutral or even somewhat mean expressions work better at first, no grinning like an idiot or too easy laughing. And when you roll your attention back onto her, like you turn 1/4 away sip your drink THEN roll back to her squaring up, at this point meet her gaze with a neutral expression and hold the silence for a few beats. This will spike tension, most people cannot deal with silent close proximity full eye contact. Let her feel this spike you migjt actually see her squirm or swallow or break and look down. Either way you can release the tension now with a slight roll back of your shoulders, tilt your head up and or a hint of a smile. Now she has had a quick roller coaster. Now you can ask or tell her something and when you do start the full laser eye, keeping close proximity.
Proximity is also key 2 feet or less i would say. Also you telegraph or subcom your intentions by moving your gaze off her eyes to her lips and neck, especially if she is talking, subtly lick your lips and then back up to her eyes. Keep an appraising discerning look about you while doing this.
You will know its working when she starts to smile in an uncontrolled way WHILE she continues to talk and look into your eyes. This is her hindbrain realitization that she is getting attracted, and she doesnt know why.
At this point introduce strong boyfriend posture kino, give her more body language attention and literally fuck her eye sockets with your gaze.
So you see here you are going from strangers and form an arousal cloud via subcoms, which is what Ya is saying with the RAS. The bubble forms. I thinks its most powerful because her forbrain hasn’t started her thinking in a preconceived way as it would on a meet post online contact or a day 2.
Good luck.
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Thanks Sentient – I’ll try this.
Have a couple of dates coming up. Some girls it’s pretty much on from the first instance – I don’t need to go to this level. But it’s more the girls who are on the fence..(I also had two more first dates since I posted the above FR – both ON from the start – and naked in my hotel room within 90 mins – I did some laser eyes with both, but not much. Didn’t matter – just got them really horny with sexual stories and logistics were perfect – but neither was as hot as the 24 yr old 7.5)
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YaReally and gang – FR in the queue about failure of laser eyes and the Question Game
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OT: How should one respond to someone who calls you racist specifically a female?
[CH: this is what i say: “yup. you got anything interesting to say?”, if she’s got a cunt attitude. if i can tell she’s half-jesting, i say “damn skippy”.]
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I never had the patience for any of this when I was younger, I just went A-10 Warthog for some reason…. “You? You think I’m attracted to you?” No laugh from me, no smirk, maybe eyebrows raised a little with an otherwise serious face. Ever so rarely one would stutter angrily and try to work her way past the first strafing, which just got her another pass… “You’re really not a nice person. There’s nothing attractive about you.”
What I’d just declared to her (in that slashing language women reserve for each other) “You’re not mother material.” Depleted uranium baby, there’s no armour to stop it.
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*blatantly staring at some ass*
Her: Ew what are you looking at perv?!
Me: “Your taillight’s busted.”
Won’t get you laid, but I think it’s pretty funny. Heh. Heh.
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I used this last night with a woman I know. I told her I had a new line and told her to stand up and turn around. I looked at her butt and told her that she had a taillight out. She laughed and held my gaze.
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Simon Sheppard’s book The Tyranny of Ambiguity deals quite a bit with this sort of topic. The thrust of the book is that women emit signals as the key weapon in their sexual arsenal. And they prefer to deal in signals as opposed to more definite means of conveying sexual status and availability. Signals are ambiguous and deniable. They can be conscious or unconscious, meaning there was direct intent to signal or the signal is emitted without overt control or intent of the female. They can be honest, erroneous, or false. They can be direct, meaning intended for a specific recipient, or indirect. I list the signals from Sheppard’s website below, but the three major forms not listed at the page are obvious: Location, Attire, and Accompaniment. In fact, I believe a great thrust of feminism is to allow women to indiscriminately signal without cost. Betaboy shouldn’t assume that because she is alone, at a bar, wearing slutty clothes that she is indeed signaling. And most of the signalling by women whether subconscious or not is used by them for calibration and validation whether direct or indirect. And most importantly it is intended to be deniable.
My wife looked at the following list and responded that “if she is even out of the house other than that which is necessary, she is probably ovulating. Otherwise her motivation to be home and away from men would drive her thoughts.”
http://www.heretical.com/sgs-1999/signals.html
Sheppard was quite ahead of his time. This book was researched in the 90s and published 12 years ago, yet it is still quite relevant, especially in its indictment of European females and immigrants. He was jailed for writing stuff that since he was only one of few, the UK government came after him. The stuff was quite “out there” in its time and now it is the everyday stuff of many alt-right writers. We sort of owe him a debt. I recommend you peruse the heretical.com page. You will find quite a lot of the stuff relevant to you. I recommend you buy his book. It was $50 and 500 pages in a high quality binding. I often pick up it and even after reading it cover to cover, I can just open it to an arbitrary page and find something pertinent. It’s not really a Game guide. It is and it isn’t. He describes women in great detail and gives a lot of data about the “truth” about women. But this preceded Game and he pretty much sucked at picking them up in Amsterdam. But when you combine this writing with other Game guys, this is a treasure of information.
Sheppard details the idea of neurosis that is created in western males by female signaling. The subconscious of the male views and interprets the signal yet he is like the dog that is beaten when given food. Western males have been both bred and conditioned to stifle a response to female signals. To me the best thing about this book is that mostly by being aware of female signalling, how to recognize and interpret it, it somewhat “defangs” the neurosis induction that female signaling entails in western men, and allows men to use it to their benefit.
The truly interesting thing to me about the topic is almost like some animal that has evolved defenses or strategies to deal with competitiors in its ecology, and then some invasive species is introduced, how will European women now deal with a set of migrant men who have not been conditioned nor bred to suppress their responses to western women’s signals? Something akin to the python introduced into Florida I think.
But I would think that since German women supported and allowed the German government to bring these migrant men into their country, it must be interpreted as a signal that says to their own German men, “Fuck you.”
But they will learn real soon, that life in Germany is not going to be the same, much like animals in the everglades learned this when a dangerous predator was admitted in their midst and they were ill prepared and equipped to deal with it.
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Great post Mark. Could you elaborate re: it somewhat “defangs” the neurosis induction that female signaling entails in western men, and allows men to use it to their benefit.
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Her: “Be careful, your girlfriend’s watching”
Me: “Nah, she’s not into women.”
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I feel like I see a lot of this in Vegas but not so much in real life.
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>How would you handle a girl who, for instance, while tipping her chest to show you the deepest ravine of her cleavage says things like, “Be careful, your girlfriend’s watching”, right in front of your gf/date?
Look at her appraisingly. Ask date’s opinion.
>Or the girl who jumps in your lap, grinds into you as your friends nervously laugh, and hops off blithely announcing, “uh oh, someone’s getting the wrong idea!”
“Who? The attention whore who just jumped into my lap without asking?”
>Or what about the girl who goes to the bathroom at house parties with the door open, talking to people outside during which you can hear her piss hit the water?
Close the door. Suggest she act like a civilized human being.
>Or the girl who, elevating her ME craft to levels of artistry unknown in the pre-modern world, gives you a Basic Instinct glimpse of her underskirt bare pussy, lingers in that position for a w(hole) note beat, then snaps her legs shut and accusatorially asks if you “enjoyed the show”.
“I am reminded of a silly girl I was in kindergarten with. She ‘forgot’ her underpants a lot. I am sure she grew up to be an idiot. Or a whore. One of those.”
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After informing the sloot that you are attached (even if you aren’t).
Her: “What would your girlfriend/wife say if she saw you looking at me like that?”
You: “I don’t know what she’d think about me, but she’d think you were a whore.”
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Had a lot of these at my previous workplace. Always dressed to kill, always fucking their bosses, always worthless. One of them was a notorious exhibitionist: a worn out whore age 32 (face looking 50, hot body, fucked countless guys in company) who kept on parading against my indifference for almost a YEAR: first, long looks, then high heels making ample noise to force my attention, then speaking out loud, then watching my moves, you name it. I actually felt sorry for her cheapness! BAD THING TO DO!…
At some point I started a casual work-related conversation with her (same type I did with males, nothing special). To my surprise, she reacted with maximum hostility and aggression almost from moment zero. I felt like beating the shit out of her, but I just kept cool and exited conversation immediately. After that event, her show intensified: more noise, more posturing, more (unwanted) staring, bumping into me (!) on occasion. Then she finally got tired and ended game while getting the opposite of what she bargained for. What I think is that she needed me just to validate her attractiveness: the more I rebuffed her advances, the more she felt like what she was (a worn out bitter whore). Beta men (or what they think as beta) become more and more useful when you are aging (not just for bucks, but also for the attention they give to any woman that doesn’t ignore them).
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good insight here ^^. That’s exactly how she wanted you to feel. A major shit test of your worthiness after so many months of aloof indifference and non compliance. Had you slapped her (metaphorically) you would’ve been in the photocopying cupboard by that afternoon. But my guess is you didn’t want to fuck her? Easier to fuck a girl you don’t want to fuck n all that. (Murphy’s law)
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I deal with a lot of these feminist, pierced, dyed hair and tatted wenches on a regular basis.
(sidenote: i feel tats/piercings are integral to a ME personality)
(Sidenote #2 i feel ME’s are a shit test, to which i respond like all shit tests- keep calm and
carryplough on)I feel you need to practically summon your inner wife-beater with ME’s. They know they’re being whores, and you need to sternly let them know that you know this without ever explicitly saying that you know this. If you tell them you KNOW what they’re doing, they’ll bolt and head for greener pastures. Better to acknowledge with a wry, knowing smile; a wink, a nod, a pfft, a LOL; something terse and short usually does the trick, or just ignore and hold frame. “What did he mean by that?????”
If you get a boner you’re a noner. She’ll sense the nerrrd from a hundred paces. A tough nut to crack, but once cracked, you pretty much own her (predictably, her appeal wanes considerably once this happens)
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