The Iron Grail – losing fat, gaining muscle, doing it quickly – is here. It’s not a gimmick, it’s not easy, but it will work for everyone. (Via)
Cut calories by 40%.
Eat more protein.
Lift weights and do High Intensity Training like wind sprints.
There ya go. At the end of four weeks, subjects following this protocol gained an average two pounds of muscle and lost an average ten pounds of fat.
The hardest part for most people will be the drastic cut in total calories (most of which will come from carbs and a little less so from fat). Calorie restriction is notoriously hard to adhere to over the long term. But fortunately there’s a way to achieve the benefits of calorie restriction without cutting calories. Intermittent fasting – eating the same amount of daily calories during a shorter window of time – can readily substitute for the 40% calorie reduction in the study program above. Mangan explains it well.
You want to look like an Iron Pill-chugging Shredded Shitlord, esq., whose strength of body advertises his strength of mind? Now you know what to do. No more excuses.
Nothing beats The Wheel Of Pain for muscle gain:
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Milius is the man!
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When I found out that Milius is an Eskimo it was hard to take, but that surfing, gun-toting, Conan and Apocalypse fucking Now writing, Genghis Khan and Teddy Roosevelt-worshiping maniac is without a doubt the very best of “the good ones” of that tribe.
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He also wrote Jeremiah Johnson and some of the Dirty Harry movies, including directing one or two of them.
Politically, he seems to have been a little to the right of Darth Vader… ‘though he never did get around to spilling too many beans about those men behind the curtain, go figger… after all, he still wanted to work in this town.
One of the “good” ones, indeed. 😉
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And inspiration. Inspiration always helps!
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[…] By CH […]
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First- I have used different usernames because I filled out the info in different browsers, made up usernames, and forgot about it. I think the net effect will be nil- I have made less than five total comments – but I still wanted to mention this for the purposes of CH. You are more than welcome to edit this out of my comment if possible.
I can definitely confirm that reducing calories, consuming calories over shorter timeframes, more protein, and even basic muscle work will give fantastic results.
Ignore workouts from magazines, ignore supplements that advertise in magazines. The steroid cheaters (I have nothing against taking shortcuts with roids, but I think people who give false expectations while using shortcuts should be lynched) live to market bullshit to desperate betas, who fail to see results from the expensive bullshit and then become tubby slobs. It’s fucking foul.
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Feel the Blackbern…
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You definitely get a “burn” in your stomach when you are serious about losing weight. And in your daily life, that “burn” can quickly manifest itself in a pseudo-diabetes of hypo-glycemia [rather than hyper-glycemia]. Almost all diet supplements rely on caffeine to get your mind off the burn in your stomach, but caffeine + hypo-glycemia can cause you to faint and collapse.
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The key seems to be balancing the caffeine with enough interesting activities [both intellectually interesting & physically stimulating] to take your mind off of the burn, but not so stimulating that you collapse in exhaustion. And most caffeine sources [double latte with heavy cream and a dollop of chocolate ice cream & whipped cream] come with massive calories, or else they burn a hole in your stomach [Diet Coke], and you have to eat a bunch of ice cream to restore the acidic balance in your stomach. Find an easy level mean somewhere, and stick to it.
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PRO-TIP: There ain’t any calories in water. You can drink gallons and gallons of water every day, and not lose weight. Plus caffeine is a diuretic, so you’ll be p!ssing that water right back out, and your urine will quickly lose its yellow color, and go crystal clear. In theory, too much water could f*ck with your electrolytes, but if you’ve got underlying electrolytic problems, then you’ve likely got some serious health problems which no diet/exercise regimen will solve.
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I forgot to mention what took me from 300lbs to 175lbs of lean muscle: ephedrine and caffeine and a little aspirin with it each day to ward off heart failure. Don’t do this if you have a family history of strokes/mci, but the ‘ECA STACK’ is god tier. It’s like running on inefficient racing fuel, you burn more stored calories, your appetite is reduced, and the energy is amazing- because on a biological level you’re basically synthesizing tiny doses of methamphetamine in your stomach. I prefer Bronkaid over Primatene. Check your local 24/7 Walgreens.
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Yeah, Walgreen’s sells the caffeine pills, as does Walmart. But some of the more upscale stores [like Target] refuse to sell caffeine pills, probably because if people ever realized how much money they could save by switching to caffeine pills, it would decimate Target’s high-profit-margin coffee sales [as well as medium-profit-margin cola sales]. Coffee has to be one of the highest profit-margin items in most grocery stores – up there with fine cuts of beef steak and alcohol and tobacco.
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‘The Iron’ – Henry Rollins.
Probably the best mentality on weight lifting I’ve ever been exposed to.
http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/strength-articles/iron-henry-rollins
‘The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it’s impossible to turn back.
The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs.
Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.’
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Excellent post brah +100
I reread that 1-2x a year and pass along to friends who lift for inspiration. A lot of people think weight lifting is all vanity. Its not, a big part is wanting to see what your truly capable of. And since we arent exactly fending off saber tooth tigers anymore, the gym is one of the only places to simulate what used to be normal: keeping your body fit and useful. Also, makes you a beast in the sack so hooray for teh gainz
Mens sana in corpore sano
a sound mind in a sound body
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Every corporation should have a clean mens sauna.
/Carpe diem – Seize the fish, sez I!
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For men who work all day sitting at a desk, weight lifting is a must, our bodies and our mind needs it.
men used to do physical work,. Modern life is making us very inactive.
It is very healthy for men to lift weights, it helps with so many things from raising ( temporary) testosterone levels, giving a natural high and boosting self confidence etc
I know some say women should lift as well but I disagree.
They can dance or do yoga or knit or whatever but lifting weights is not for women.
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I’ve heard about fasting before. I know a dude who satisfies himself with coffee until 4:00 PM every other day. He also eats seasonal foods when it’s there season never out of it. It’s worked for him. I think anything is worth a try.
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Yup, you gotta mix and match and find out what works best for you.
Heck, even as one ages, the body changes and what once worked before no longer does.
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That’s weird as fuck. I was wishing we had more posts like this last night.
For the past few months, I’ve been int fasting (including fasted training) and getting good results.
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Eat double your GOAL weight in CLEAN protein.
Whole foods, no stupid supplements or anything your grandpa wouldn’t eat.
Ton of spinach, nuts and kale. FRUITS. Quinoa, Salmon, whole milk, maybe coconut milk, chicken, eggs, oats, avocado. Perhaps potatoes, can never go wrong with a couple of potatoes.
Might seem like a lot but it’s not.
You can get a bodybuilder diet from costco/sam’s club (fuck them, anti-white racist CEO is a POS), BJ’s, etc for a little over $100 – $150 for a week or two (depending on your goal weight, BMI/height obviously).
Workout: 5×5 FULL training – includes heavy squats, heavy deadlifts, heavy bench, overhead press, barbell rows, and also includes weighted pull-ups, weighted dips, and planks.
You MUST do every single exercise in perfect form and you must give 110% when you’re doing them. No coasting, full on explosion each rep. Even if the weights are “too light” or “too heavy”. Go fuckin HAM.
You do this shit 3 times a week and you’ll see outstanding changes to your physique maybe in 3 weeks, definitely in 4.
Continue this for a year and you can look as swole as Arnold did in his prime. No joke.
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Don’t forget the protein in the form of red meat with saturated fat! Forget everything you’ve been taught: Eating fat will NOT make you fat Hell, your brain is made up of saturated fats. Ever think that maybe the reason Alzheimer’s is striking like the plague, is because people eat less saturated fat?
Two books are critical: Gary Taubes’ “Why we Get Fat” and Mark Rippetoe’s “Starting Strength”.
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There’s a lot of circumstantial evidence that Alzheimer’s can be passed around. It happens through surgery.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/alzheimers-infectious-surgeries-371278?rel=most_read1
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@Faggot Within
Don’t click the link! It goes to naked pictures of Faggot Within jacking it to interracial cuckhold porn!
Ruined your linkage rape!
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And Kratom, don’t forget the Kratom
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I don’t scorn fat on its own but fat is calories. I believe having extra lean ground beef rather than regular or lean, for example, is still healthy and it leaves room for calories in other foods.
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Just read 3 of Mangan’s books and he is right on the money with strength training, calorie restriction, low carb, etc.
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Calorie restriction is BS and will only lead to cheating on the intake side! Read Taubes and find out why.
The Germans knew all this diet stuff pre-WWII, but that unpleasantness caused American diet researchers to ignore them. Instead, they gave us the “Food Pyramid” emphasizing carbs and de-emphasizing protein, especially meats and eggs. Look where that sh*t got us—–obese!
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I’ve fasted once a week for more than a year now. Only water and black coffee. Doesn’t hurt strength gains if you’re hitting it right. Good for the spirit. If you want to really savor your meals, try fasting about 36 hrs every wk.
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> “black coffee” ——— Up above here, we’re talking about caffeine pills. It would be just about impossible to lose weight on the average calories in an Eskimo Starbucks mega-chocolate-milkshake “coffee” with whipped cream & the works. Plus you’re subsidizing all of that Eskimo perfidy every time you purchase from them. Or Ben & Jerry’s, for that matter.
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If you just switch to healthy, natural foods – an apple instead of a candy bar, a carrot instead of a bag of potato chips, grilled chicken instead of the triple-bacon cheeseburger, etc. – the dieting part will pretty much take care of itself.
About 10% of your daily calories ought to come from fats, preferably non-saturated, which means nuts, some veg like avocado, fish (fresh if possible), 30 % protein, as lean as possible (chicken, turkey, tuna, et. al.), the rest carbs, as complex as possible (= whole grain).
If you need to lose weight, nothing beats running or cross-country skiing -which can also be accomplished an inline skates or land skis, if there’s no snow.
Chopping lots of wood fast – like a professional lumberjack would – is also excellent.
Intense cardio for a bare minimum of 1/2 hour is what burns the calories.
Lifting 3 or 4 times a week builds strength (heavy sets) and endurance (many reps), but don’t expect to look like Mr. Universe if you’re an ectomorph (= skinny).
Blowing your muscles up beyond what Mother Nature intended for you requires steroids and comes with MANY very, very nasty side effects.
Stray away from those concentrated supplements from GNC and similar outlets, the average American already consumes double or triple the amount of protein their bodies can actually process, everything beyond that you just shit right back out.
It also puts unnecessary strain on liver and kidneys, which you will sorely regret by the time you’re about 40 or so.
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Wolfie, You’re full of it! An apple is just sugar water and a triple bacon cheeseburger is really healthy food if you ignore 50 years of BS taught us by our friends in government. Too much protein will not hurt the average person; that is pure MYTH! The average American consumes too much sugar and way too many carbs relative to protein.
Your narrative of “calories in-calories out” is false and misleading. I know many fat people who XC ski or run marathons. You must change your diet to lose weight, nothing in exercising can do that (sure when you sweat out a gallon of water, you’ll lose that 6 lbs. but you get it right back when your body demands liquids. Running for six hours might consume 900 calories, but the average caloric intake is around 2,000. You simply can’t exercise all that off!
Intense cardio wrecks your joints, unless its done in intervals and then you don’t need to do as much for as long as you suggest. A recent study showed that a 60 YO, out of shape man can improve his stamina 40% by doing HIIT stationary cycling training for 10 minutes a day, three times a week, for a month. Two minutes of warm-up followed by 30 seconds of as hard as you can effort followed by return to average effort for 30 seconds then repeat the hard effort, then the rest effort, up to 4-5 times. That’s all you need; everything else is wear and tear on your body. For strength, nothing beats Olympic lifting (Squats, deadlifts, bench and shoulder press, rows, curls)with increasing weight; 5 lbs. a week is all it takes. The average Joe should be after strength, not bulk.
Again, read Taubes and Rippetoe, they give you all you need to know!
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Overall, Americans consume enough protein, relative to the rest of the world. We’re a wealthy country.
The problem is that we *also* consume refined carbs, sugars, and unhealthy fats. Until we lose that shit, we can’t see or feel the benefits of our high-protein diet.
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@Faggot Within:
Americans consume enough protein, relative to the rest of the world.
Yours mostly through black men’s penises.
Faggot Within rape!
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Well, I guess that’s one way to get the protein into your stomach, WF. Poor little Sambo’s…
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Educated by infomercials, I see.
I also know some fat girls who ‘run marathons’.
They buy the starting number (for a good cause), jog a few hundred yards and quit, completely spent and gasping for breath.
Never saw a fat cross-country skier in my life, not in Europe, not in the US.
A cheeseburger can be ok if you make it yourself, using the leanest beef you can find, a whole grain bun (preferably self-made, or pay VERY close attention to the label), a little bit of high quality cheese, fresh veg and NO CONDIMENTS.
Otherwise, you’re looking at angioplasty.
2000 calories is not the average, many so-called ‘entrées’ in US restaurants already contain more than that, the US average is easily twice that.
2000 calories is the basic maintenance diet for the ‘average’ (= sedentary) male.
If you want to stay at your current weight – while continuing to sit on your ass at work , in the car, at home – you shoot for 2000 calories, which no one does.
That’s why they’re fat.
I recommend more actual real world experience, less internet bullshit.
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@wolfie
It’s hard to bake your own bread, but most grocery stores have whole-grain hamburger buns.
Agreed on cross-country skiing. I grew up doing it, and physiologists agree that it’s the best exercise, even better than swimming. Too bad the winter is so warm this year.
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1. Cut out STARCHY carbs, such as grains (but don’t just say/think “carbs” as if all forms of carbohydrate affect you the same way).
2. Tolerate feeling hungry sometimes. Hunger can go away without having eaten.
3. Know that junk food is designed to be addictive (salt, sugar, etc), so expect a temporary tough phase of quitting it; know this phase won’t last long, and then it’s easy to reject junk food.
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FWIW, I can’t even take a sip of soda, much less other sugary stuff. No interest at all.
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>2. Tolerate feeling hungry sometimes. Hunger can go away without having eaten.
This is very useful. It is counterintuitive to go from eating three meals a day, to realizing that you only need to eat when you’re hungry, to accepting that sometimes it’s OKAY to be hungry. That progression requires and strengthens a growing awareness of your body and what you are putting into it.
One of the most empowering things a man can experience is fierce hunger that subsides. Hunger is one of the most gnawing cravings you can feel. It’s what heroin and methamphetamine addicts compare to when talking to normal people, it’s a source of overwhelming NEED.
References to the three missed meals between civilization and anarchy in the streets and the day of the rope notwithstanding.
You can learn that hunger pangs are not always lasting or powerful.
Even if this triumph only happens 10% of the time, you walk away gaining the internal knowledge that hunger is not GUARANTEED to control you. And that is a strong frame builder.
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Great info. But none of this is new.
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none of it is new if you’ve been paying attention. But remember: there are newbies coming every day.
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I saw better results once I added HIIT 2x week. One day wind sprints, one day intense plyometrics. Add three days of iron, and then the other two days whatever — yoga, biking, etc.
But diet is more important, in the end. You can’t outexercise a bad diet.
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But diet is more important, in the end. You can’t outexercise a bad diet.
Can’t get that black man’s cum taste out of your mouth, eh, faggot?
Faggot Within rape!
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Looks like someone photographed some results of her ‘HITT’ program…
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Ironic how Strapon is a red-piller’s red-piller is all areas…
… except the most important.
He (?) follows a manly man’s regimen… and never lets it go to his(?) haid. lzozlzozlozlozlozlozlozlozlozlozlozlozl
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Sorry, WF. Spirit is right diet is absolutely the key! Read Taubes “Why We Get Fat” and for the first time in your life , learn something.
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@Earl of Duke:
You numbnuts. Do you think I haven’t been paying attention? Did you just learn that? You dumb git. Pay attention to what I’m doing…and what a clear faggot looks like.
Get your lips off the Faggot Within’s nuts. He only likes kneegroes anyway. And he does the sucking!
The Faggot Within’s groupies rape!
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Faggot within, a dude banging your ass twice a week isn’t HIIT. Well, maybe it is for him.
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The women begin fighting back.
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I dunno… looked staged to me, with that weird kerchief haid, and the stumble-bum not putting up any resistance.
The intent was good, but such an encounter with a shitskin that size by such a gal will not end well… unless there are spikes… and I mean sharp ones… protruding from said handbag.
Make the handbag a bit smaller, swing faster, and don’t forget them spikes.
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That wasn’t a woman. It was clearly a man dressed as a woman. While it may have been staged, the shitskin certainly did not seem prepared to be chased around with a purse.
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staged
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Regular weight training posts would be awesome.
Anybody get massive legs without heavy squats?
I don’t have time to hit a real gym anymore, so I’ve resorted to the weight room in my building which sucks dick because it lacks a squat rack. I’ve started doing sumo/SL deadlifts on leg days with lightweight, rapid fire squats in between sets + sprints.
My ass, hams and quads feel decimated after a workout.
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Split squats and, to a lesser degree, lunges. They work only one leg at a time with half the weight(I use dumbbells), but are damn near just as good.
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Soccer will make you legs huge. So will mountain biking. The trick is low rpm and force-intense bursts for hills (or soccer kicks). Pick bike routes that amount to one hour uphill and ten terror-filled minutes downhill. Your goal is fitness, so a featherweight bike is irrelevant. Geared-up, you’ll look a dweeb, but I’ve not found a better workout that doesn’t involve a long hike with a deer carcass.
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Kettlebells are great, but I don’t think you’ll get massive from them.
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Kettlebells are great:
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LOL I’m guessing that dude lost a bet
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“Kettlebells are great.”
Do you ever miss an opportunity to show off your faggotry?
Cross fit Faggot rape!
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And someone help me out if they can. Chemo is making me lose weight. Nothing crazy, but it has me a bit worried. Anybody have any advice?
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High protein Meal replacement shakes with whole milk(if you dont have lactose issues). I’d add PB in your case to make it more calorie and protein dense
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And add coconut oil to them as well. Get those good fats and beef up the calorie intake.
PB is a solid choice. It’ll keep you full.
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Eat ice cream, as much as you want. Ice cream is a high-calorie food, and is also a liquid food so it provides little satiety. I’m an ice cream fanatic and even though I run seven miles on most days, I find that I have to be careful about my intake or I’ll put on weight fast.
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Cut fats at your own peril. Low fat will lead to low testosterone.
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And increase you chances of developing Alzheimers. The brain is mostly saturated fat!
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In other news, hello from the other side…of the wall.
http://archive.is/52dVW
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I imagine the irony of the words she started her speech with, “all cliches are true”, was lost on her
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Well, let’s be fair now…
First of all, she’s 69 and hit the wall at least a decade and a half ago, if not more.
Second of all, if all 69 year old women looked like that, the world wouldn’t be such a bad place.
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Exactly. Body’s solid for her age and given she’s been in Hollywood for decades. She can flaunt what she’s got, so more power to her.
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SAG awards, heh.
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That one left a mark.
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I remember reading something a long time ago on here that was I think a comment or maybe a twitter post about weight lifting with intermittent fasting. I can’t seem to find anything helpful on the internet about how this is done, does anyone have a quick summary if they know about it? I think the goal is to fast without the negative decline in muscle mass.
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Look up leangains and search his website. That’s where I learned the most. Rogue Health and Fitness has good info as well.
For me, I have my exercise routine during hours I”m not fasting. It’s not advised to workout sans food or nutritional sustenance. Some manage just fine, but I’m sure they know their bodies well and what they can tolerate. Find what works best for you. A good morning walk isn’t strenuous enough to require food.
The skinny: you fast for 16 hours and have an 8 hour eating window.
I modify mine sometimes here and there. In that 16 hours, coffee is okay to drink and I believe that anything less than 35 calories is okay. (Just some arbitrary rule of thumb, but a good measure nonetheless.
I start sometime around 11ish, workout at around 4, 5 and have last meal before 7. If I’m eating and it’s 730, no biggie.
It takes time to reap the benefits. I’d say by the fourth month you’ll begin to really see its impact. It might be sooner depending on how clean your system has been to this point.
I was able to lose my mini-beer gut that I built up over a short period of time. Muscles that I had developed over time began to appear, giving a “cut” look, which is a prime benefit to IF.
Good luck!
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Just work-out, move more, and eat a bit less… ya bastids.
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Or, just follow the advice from the previous post. You’ll be thin in a week! (If not a corpse.)
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This is a good idea only if you’re already fat. Mangan is great, but he’s fucking dumb when it comes to strength training (I read everything he posts, so don’t get me wrong). He knows a lot about how “resistance” training helping old dudes live longer, but that’s about it. Unless you’re a frail old man, you need to get stronger. Aesthetic changes should be secondary goals, not primary. If not, then you’re probably only going to the gym to hang out in the sauna with other dudes anyways, you faggot.
If you’re running starting strength, the texas method, or similar variations (and if you’re under 35, you probably need to be on one of these), you’re not going to be able to successfully add weight to your squat if you’re eating like a bitch. These linear progression programs will build more character and discipline than whatever gay PUSH/PULL/LEGS routine you’re doing. They keep you honest, as they force you to constantly improve. If you aren’t constantly improving your form, diet, and mental states, then you’re going to fail. What better training for real life than a tough strength based program?
If, God forbid, your goals are still aesthetics (faggot), then you still need to get stronger. You’re not going to develop a good body without being incredibly strong (if you’re a drug free lifter).
The best part about starting strength/stronglifts? While probably eventually being the hardest program you’ve ever done (once you start getting close to your genetic limit; trust me, 3×5 or 5×5 squats above 250 starts to get tough) is also how fucking simple it is.
The basic template is something like:
Workout A: 3×5 squat; 3×5 bench; 1×5 deadlift – add some pull-ups 3×10
Workout B: 3×5 squat; 3×5 press; 3×5 rows (or powercleans if you’re definitely not a pussy) –
Did you successfully get all your reps last time? Then add 5 pounds to the bar. Repeat this until you reach the point where you can’t progress or the point where you’re so tired that you can’t function.
CAN YOU BENCH AT LEAST 225 AND SQUAT 315? If no, then you need to get on a program like this. Don’t be a weak pussy.
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Wendler’s 5-3-1 did wonders for my strength. Time to get back on it
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“Unless you’re a frail old man…???? WTF?
Those are the types that particularly need to get stronger through Olympic lifting!
Rippetoe brought a 90 YO woman who used a walker, into his gym and had her do squats and deadlifts. After a few months’ training, she was mobile without the walker!
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Earl,
You misread his post.
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I’m with you here. You want big, healthy, strong growing muscle on your body. The weird little fasts seem kind of sketchy to me, frankly. Mangan only lifts every three days, I think and I don’t know if he is big on the compound lifts or not. Seems not to be and I’ve visited his site a few times. He seems like a faster who does the routine frat boy lifts. If he were an avid squatter, it would jump out from his site and it does not. He is dedicated and intelligent though but I think he’s for a different audience.
For me, I try to lift five days a week and have a normal diet. I hike once a week and have one full day off. I want to give my body this message almost daily;
“Grow”
I live in a state of growth. Maybe I overtrain, undereat but my cells are being told to grow. Jonathan Campbell who is closely associated with Rippetoe gives this message and he will soon have a book out which I’m buying.
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I’m sorry to blast your (paid advertising?) campaign, but this is not how protein synthesis in your body works. Various hormones and pathways in the human body (especially insulin and mTor) position you either in a systemically anabolic (muscle building, aka “bulking”) or catabolic (fat loss, aka “cutting”) state; Fat loss and muscle gain can only occur together for a very short while when you are a total beginner.
The program you are proposing (calorie intake less than TDEE, high protein intake with resistance training) is a classic by-the-book cutting program. It will help you lose fat but you will not build any muscle mass at all. Bulking (muscle building) requires consuming an extraordinary amount of daily calories, well over your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure), usually around 3000 kcal per day. If you want exact numbers and actual, proven training methods, refer to http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html (also, the book Starting Strength is pretty great, and I see it has already been mentioned in a comment above me)
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I’ve put on muscle without increasing my caloric load. Generally the only people who need to massively increase their diet are supplementing with the only supplements that work- illegal ones. If you don’t massively overeat while cycling and lifting, you don’t get the best results, ie 60lbs of muscle in 9 months. (Saw a dumbass kid on my jewbook do this, he claims natty, he also has visible moodswings and posts about insomnia. Easy to discern his cycle, if he even knows what he was buying- TREN, probably with Test.)
Normal people who massively overeat while lifting put on fat and muscle at the same time, then need to cut weight.
You can also perfectly well recomposition fat while building muscle. As I was cutting down with my ECA stack (I didn’t want to fool around with DNP) I still increased my muscle mass and strength.
In conclusion, you’re wrong. Post your body if you’re going to debate this further, otherwise I’ll take your silence as Swedish-style acquiescence.
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I heard that wheat products are not essential food for humans. They may be good, and provide sustenance for us, but they are not necessary. They do add fat. So, if anyone has weight issues, cut out all wheat products, and stick to meat, fruits and vegetables. Also, it is important to eat smaller meals and snacks throughout the day vs. large meals 2-3 times a day. The body can process it better. Finally, if you have to drink a juice, it is best to drink your vegetables and eat your fruits. The body sees most fruit juices, even those with any added sugar, as just another sugary drink.
Of course, it is VERY important to exercise. On those days you are not ‘feeling it’, do something else active instead, like hike, bike, or punch the heavy bag (a good skill, too).
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Yup.
Two books you might want to read:
Grain Brain
Wheat Belly
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Take steroids
Honestly I trained naturally for 5 years before building up the cohones to take steroids.
Now I feel like a tool for waiting so long. TRT + steroid cycle twice a year has seriously elevated my quality of life.
I recommend TRT at the very least to all in the middle and low T ranges
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Good man. Keep in mind that this disqualifies you from ANY advice to beginners, including letting them watch your workouts. When I was on cycle, suddenly all the stupid high rep bad form stuff was both fun – the extra power and energy made it work – and gave the best results. If I let a normal person think that they needed to do things my way, or that I was just more ‘willpowered’ than them, it would be a deeply immoral act since they will be more discouraged and are likely to give up and live an unhealthy, diminished life.
Shilling for any form of supplement other than the ones you’re pinning should also result in being dragged behind a truck on a gravel road.
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Doing it fast – not useful.
If you want to do it fast it’s usually because you don’t want to stick with it. Get the pain out the way in a short time, then back to the usual routine of sloth and gluttony. Only then you will quickly find your body reverting too.
If you are willing to stick with it, better just to adopt your optimal long-term diet right away rather than a ludicrous cutting diet.
[CH: true for the avg person (not bodybuilders). slow and steady wins the life race. but the fact that it can be done fast is meant as a message to the genetic fatalists who want excuses to continue sloughing off on the sofa getting fatter and grosser every day.]
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completely agree. have been following mangans program, with some modifications. muscle gained remarkably quickly, weight lost, including bothersome pot belly. and im 54 years old in 2 months.
would send you guys a pic, but it includes my cock. sent at request to a 26 year old married fling.
all bow to the heartiste, not for his knowledge but for his patriotic and admirable efforts for the white man/white race.
someday you will receive the Medal of Western Honor brother. In due time. In due time.
[CH: the posthumous nature of state honors tarnishes my anticipation.]
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Lose weight by having sex with young women!! Preferably making babies!
And, by laughter…from watching this great video:
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Great counter-vid by Watson. I don’t have the patience to go through line-by-line debunking the libtard lies and propaganda, but I sure do enjoy it when others do.
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Id like to suggest everyone try out a ketogenic diet sometime. Moderate protein(40%), high fats(60%), and under 40 net carbs(carbs minus fiber) a day. And no f’n sugars. Do it about a week and you enter ketosis and the fat just melts away. Some people do better with closer to a 50/50 fat to protein ratio.
Ive tried every diet, this works for me.
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Don’t “Diet”…..change your diet. Only that will drop weight and keep it off.
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Sugars cannot be avoided, must they must be greatly limited where possible. Among other things, it is pretty much a medical certainty at this time that sugars feed cancer.
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Interesting. I’ve never heard of ketogenic diets. They’re apparently good for children with epilepsy.
I’ll stick with primal though.
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Faggot Within, the ultra-cool workout king: “I’ve never heard of ketogenic diets.”
Now which is more likely true:
Faggot Within is the only weight lifter whose never heard of ketogenic diets or ketosis; or.
Faggot within is a liar whose never lifted a weight in his life?
That’s twice now, Faggot, you’ve been proven a liar by yours truly.
Faggot Within is a liar rape!
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It’s the best diet I’ve found yet. When I started intermittent fasting, the low-carb diet made it much more tolerable because fat is so filling.
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Or, instead, just eat kratom!
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https://simplysociology.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/call-for-abstracts-for-themed-issue-on-body-weight-and-digital-media/
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I eat like the pig I am once a day diet. Example: 18 inches of Subway hot pastrami on flatbread, veggies and vinaigrette. Half a can of pringles. Maybe a can of soup or a large cookie. 2,400 calories. As long as there is weight to shed it’s good for a pound a week, no exercise, Two with moderate exercise. Chicks did a trim waist more than any other characteristic except jerkboy charm.
I no longer think about food and it’s been a year since I’ve been hungry. I don’t know where lifting would figure into this, maybe it wouldn’t.
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You sound skinny-fat. Not a recipe for health, my friend. Learn to cook your own high-protein, high-veg meals from whole foods.
1) Real food is supposed to rot. Buy food that spoils.
2) Don’t buy anything that’s sold in a box or even a can. (Best veggies, in descending order: fresh, frozen, canned.)
3) Go to the produce section and the meat/fish counter. Those are the only parts of a grocery store that matter.
Once your diet has been squared away, start to think about lifting.
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Good advice, but no, I’m not skinny-fat. I’m strong, fast, and a former athlete. Eating once a day suits me really well. No doubt it is not for the many, where eating well and lifting theoretically suits everybody.
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I tried fasting once… it was the longest four hours of my life.
All seriousness aside, I usually just eat a light breakfast and a normal dinner… maybe a few raw fruits and veggies during the day, a swallow of whey protein and milk if it’s a workout day and I went late morning instead of early afternoon.
Thing is, if you can’t remember the last time you actually felt hungry, you’re either eating too much or not moving enough.
The recent snow had added a few good hours-long aerobic workouts… nice to know the old ticker can still handle it. 😉
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This regimen (adove) will probably work as advertised, so long as the calorie cutting is done mercilessly on the carbohydrate side and the protein comes from meat.
As a clinically obese man who lost 35 pounds in 6 months with not a step taken for the sake of “exercise” alone, just through diet, let me tell you [assumed fatass] the easiest way to get ‘unhungry’ for days at a time is to stop the sugar/insulin rollercoaster. When your blood sugar in your pre-diabetic butt isn’t crashing all the time, hungers that’d feel like an 8-9/10 feel like a 3. You will find yourself forcing your meals lest you eat merely once a day at well under 2000 calories!
If a vegan or low fat diet plus gym workout regimen is working for you, don’t stop! I don’t want anyone doing something which actually shows them results to quit doing what they’re doing! I present this as an alternative for those who have tried conventional and semi-conventional methods but failed to see results (where adherence wasn’t a point of failure).
While at 180% the calories of protein or carbohydrates by weight, fat happens to be the most satiating macronutrient you can consume. Do you know how easy it is to cook and eat six scrambled eggs when you’re good and hungry, and have been eating carbs? You won’t believe how hard that becomes in the morning when you’ve spent a month or so getting your body ketone-adapted!
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I’ve been personal training for three years and from experience i will happily share that cutting by that much usually isn’t functional at all … 30% is safer and works for my clients. Much Love CH!
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