Tradcons and feminists have more in common than either would care to confront. Browsing popular alt-right outposts, I’ve found that a significant number of them — not all; I don’t mean this to be a sweeping indictment of the tradcon right — share with feminists a misunderstanding of sex differences and of the functioning of the sexual market (hint: it’s transactional in nature, and sneering at the messenger won’t change that fact).
So what false notions do tradcons and feminists share?
- Pussy pedestalization
That’s one. Feminists and (some) tradcons reflexively defer to the contradictory premises that female entitlement both a. doesn’t exist and b. must be catered to at all times.
- Sexual desire uniformity
Tradcons, like feminists, wrongly assume men and women share reproductive goals, or that the triggers and the expression of their desires are similar. They are not.
- Sinful male sexuality
Tradcons, like feminists, express a wanton cruelty toward male sexuality, never missing a chance to pathologize it. Where it really shows is in their hate for sex differences in attraction and arousal, which they dismiss by denying the biocentrality of visual stimulus and mate variety to male sexuality. Or, if they don’t deny those things, they demonstrate their contempt of male sexuality by deriding its emotional and sensate power over men, and belittling men who “can’t control” their natural urges.
- Denial of female hypergamy
Female hypergamy is real, (and different in kind from male mate choice motivations). Maybe tradcons are upset by the science-y terminology. That’s another deficiency they share with feminists. If it helps them get over their anxiety about being mistaken for an autistic, they could call it “dating up”.
- Denial of depraved female sexuality
No one in the “Sex Pill” community argues that male sexuality can’t be depraved. Gang bangs, facials, and homosex come to mind. But tradcons, like feminists, have a peculiar habit of denying the facets of female sexuality that tend toward depravity and darkness. For instance, female rape victims often go on to have consensual sex relationships with their rapists. And, oh yeah, there are all those coercive rape fantasies women indulge.
Similarly, tradcons (maybe not so much as feminists) tend to overestimate women’s inclination toward faithful monogamy. Studies consistently show women are less monogamous than tradcons assume and more monogamous than men as a sex.
- Denigration of male sexuality as “entitlement”
Tradcons, like feminists, have a hysterical hatred of men trying to improve their romantic fortunes. They slander normal male desire for a quality dating life as entitlement, when it’s nothing of the sort. (Entitlement is the feeling one is owed something for nothing; most men who want to get better girls know that they have to put in the effort commensurate with the quality of girl they’re aiming for.)
The entitlement slur is one of the more toxic tradcon smears against men. The tradcon mercilessly mocks the man who strives for a cuter girlfriend, but lavishes praise on the woman who screens for Mr. Right. Self-discrediting.
- Belief that marriage is an equal sacrifice
Tradcons, like feminists, want to believe that women sacrifice as much as, or more than, men do when deciding to marry. Not true. Men must tacitly renounce the heart of their natural, God-given sexuality to marry; women don’t. Women have a greater disposition for monogamy than do men, and a weaker urge for sexual variety and profligacy. Marriage is therefore an easier transition for women to make than it is for men to make. This sex discrepancy in monogamous marriage sacrifice demands an array of legal and informal cultural recompense for married men. (This recompense can take form in big and small ways; e.g., “king of the castle” privileges, wife taking his name, etc.)
Btw, Tolkien and CH are on the same page about men and their greater marriage sacrifice:

- False equivalence between male and female cheating
Tradcons, like feminists, abhor sex-based “double standards”, refusing to accept that double standards are a fact of life when the species in question is sexually reproducing. Tradcons love to lump male and female cheating under one umbrella of equal awfulness, but the comparison deserves more nuance than that. One, female cheating can result in pregnancy (especially true before the Pill and latex condom, which was the environment humanity evolved in for most of its history). A cheating wife impregnated by her dalliance was a serious cuckold risk to her husband. The same cannot be said of a cheating husband.
Two, when women cheat, they tend to hypergamously cheat, (they turn the sex spigot off to their husbands). Men cheat in the harem-building style, mostly for physical pleasure (as opposed to the yearning for romance typical of cheating wives), and often retain love for their wives even during the times of their extramarital trysts.
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My evidence for tradcon resemblance to dumbfuck feminists comes from reading what a lot of them who are normally straight thinkers on a number of hot button topics have to say about sex, love and women. I don’t attack all tradcons, but I do note there are quite a few of them who are as dumb about sex as shitlibs are about race.
(This is a good point to remind tradcons that one can be both clear-eyed about innate sex differences in desire AND about the importance of monogamy/marriage to Western Civ.)
The reflexive tradcon white knighting for the female sex finds its source in the same place all people tap when considering the lamentations of the women. It all gets back to the Fundamental Premise. Women are the reproductively more valuable sex (by order of the cosmic overlord), and this eternal truth explains innumerable societal phenomena related to the instinctive urge by both men and women to favor women’s concerns at the expense of men’s concerns.
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It’s been claimed that the Sex Pill is the gateway drug to the Race Pill. But I’ve noticed a lot of race realists have trouble with sex realism. Is it a problem of demographic bias? Maybe race realists are older (less naive about race) and settled down. They’ve been out of the seduction game for a while and have forgotten what climbing-the-walls horniness feels like, or how much tougher it is to seduce younger, hotter, tighter chicks than older, hoarier, looser women?

[…] By CH […]
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Domestic Violence, we now know from Spanish legislation, will now be considered an ‘act of terrorism’. It will be ‘prevented’ the same way a terrorist attack will be. By vigilance, increased ‘surveillance’, along with constant observation and monitoring of the ‘situation’. Please do ‘Tell us if you see something suspicious’, the authorities implore us. They give the impression they can ‘help’. But Cologne has proved, they either can’t, or won’t… or don’t want to.
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Ultimate take-down of a Tradcon from a while back:
http://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2010/09/response-to-thomas-fleming.html
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Alas, the Heartiste-MPC convergence that will never be
[CH: someone’s gotta keep them honest.]
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Good read
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Excellent, CH. The ongoing Roosh affair has really demonstrated how alike the femcunts and tradcucks really are.
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Regarding the recent Roosh affair . . .
This snarky article from the Washington Post is telling. I’m reluctant to post the link, because I don’t want to give WP more clicks, but nonetheless if you must read it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/04/neo-masculinists-cancel-worldwide-meetups-over-fears-of-feminist-mobs/
A few of the items mentioned in the article:
– “The mayor of Melbourne, Australia, even said anyone attending one of Valizadeh’s ‘Return of Kings’ meetups could be charged with trespassing on city property.”
– “[S]ome protesters threatened to repel the neo-masculinists by force, if needed.”
– “‘A few groups of guys that I know will be showing up to those [meeting] places with baseball bats,’ a California woman opposed to the neo-masculinists wrote on Facebook”
– “[I]n Toronto, an all-girls boxing club said it would crash a local neo-masculinist meeting — gloves on and ready to rumble”
– “The announcement to cancel the meetings was met with a mixture of relief and mockery online. ‘Little boy got scared because he knows anywhere in the world he goes he will be given a well-deserved ‘welcome,” one woman commented. It ‘is so easy to hide behind a computer screen.'”
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It’s so blindingly clear to the folks on the alt-right.
Islamists treat women like chattel — yet do you think any of these Incredible Feminist Women (or their imaginary baseball bat wielding white knight stooges) would dare confront a meetup of Muslim ragheads?
And if a group of White men were to threaten to shut down some meeting of the Nation of Islam or [insert any “minority,” Eskimo, fag, or women’s group here] by showing up with “baseball bats” and “boxing gloves” (wft who brings boxing gloves to a fight? lololzlslzlzlzl stupid girls) could you imagine the media outrage? The Chimp-in-Chief would be on TV talking about “lynch mobs” and standing up for “freedom of expression” in the face of evil “White racism” and blah blah fucking blah.
The cult-marx propaganda is overwhelming. Just keep hate-lifting, shooting at the range, practicing martial arts, and preparing for things to get worse. Because they will.
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They are both of the r-type mentality.
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I realized that the people is completely zombified when I got a whatsapp in the group of layer school that I find out was local MSM version of the saturday meetup, and everybody got crazy like the subhuman commies and christians of the church of the cuck they are. A pro rape group???? Lolollzozlzozlzol
Meeting cancelled so I wasn’t to go to the city center.
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“The mayor of Melbourne, Australia, even said anyone attending one of Valizadeh’s ‘Return of Kings’ meetups could be charged with trespassing on city property”
The mayor sodomite of Melbourne is on the spot here. I’ve to acknowledge that.
So isfyour town is property of the citizens of that town, THEY HAVE THE INALIENABLE, SACRED, NATURAL AND FIGHT TO DEATH RIGHT TO DOESN’T ALLOW NIGGGGGGGERZ IN THEIR BUSES SCHOOLS EVEN STREETS BECAUSE IS THEIR PROPERTY.
Ape rapeeeee!!!!!
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-*correction the major sodomite of Melbourne
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Feminism defines itself against conservatism. Straight off you have kneecapped yourself by a misapprehension of terms.
Conservatism isn’t just a list everything you don’t like. You provide precisely no examples and define “conservatism” off the top of your head.
Pussy pedestalization: Practically the first story in the first book of the bible blows this convenient little theory to shreds. Ephesians 5:22 sweeps away what’s left to oblivion.
Sexual desire uniformity: Marriage is the precivilizational compromise between diverging sexual aims.
Sinful male sexuality: The etymology of the word “adultery” — to secretly adulterate the male blood line — belies your assertion. The modern application of female sins to men is the opposite of conservatism.
Denial of female hypergamy: Marriage has been the social solution to hypergamy in every place and every time, stretching back before history and civilization itself.
Denial of depraved female sexuality: The protowoman Eve is responsible for the fall of the entire human race in the conservative telling. The “tradcon” approach to this particular depravity is double standards, sex-specific protection, sheltering, finishing school, and daddy’s shotgun.
Denigration of male sexuality as entitlement: Is there a single instance of this that you can point to? This is out of left field. Laughing at the LARP nerds who believe they need PUA flirting science more than basic self improvement is not “hysterical hatred.”
Belief that marriage is an equal sacrifice: Marriage, rightly understood, is a sacrifice for women. Marriage does not exist today. What goes by its name is a liberal attempt to keep alive the nominal integrity of an institution that has been comatose for fifty years.
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CH’s comprehensive misdiagnosis is based on a single, inexcusable error. Without an independent understanding of conservatism, he takes his cue from cuckolds who call themselves “conservatives.” Because Jeb Bush says “he or she” and married a yam, CH thinks conservatism is defined by women’s equality and the beta male compromise prompted by sexual insecurity.
And he even cites Tolkien, an ultraorthodox Catholic born in the 19th century — but conveniently not as a “tradcon.” What else would you call him?
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What’s the the new heartiste Twitter account name? Can’t find anything online and would like to follow the Roosh scandal “live” since I’m only hearing from the comments.
[CH: @chateauemissary]
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Tradcons are dweebs. At least fatminists are amusing.
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On my site- no problems thusfar.
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In the meantime — how are you doing with FeministX / Littlespoon? Still writing heartfelt missives on her blog?
She dismantled YOU — and all without saying a word.
You need to be blocked from publication, you Jesuit virgin: fuck you.
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Tradcons are a bunch of weenies who, in their youth, always tried to catch glimpses of the sisters when naked, then spent hours masturbating with her in mind; thus they still feel their guilt over that and became the shrillest of white knights.
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Lol, to be expected from Christfags.
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I see Bel Riose/Stilico/WhateverSockPuppy is back to bite an ankle.
Out with it, boy… we know for a fact you don’t post here only in a blue moon to snark at King… he who lives rent free in yo’ haid.
What’s your usual monicker? Confess, miscreant!
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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Psychologically & Spiritually, promiscuity doesn’t seem to take nearly so bad a toll on the male spirit as it does on the female. When a chick’s notch count goes from n=0 to n=1 to n=2 to n=infinity, the crazy develops in her eyes, and her eyelids stop blinking, and she starts painting them with the dark mascara, and by n=3 you’re talking 1000-C0ck-Stare.
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The more a chick is ravaged, the more The Darkness grows in her heart, and the worse the ravaging must be in order for her hamster to be aroused from its boredom. That’s why The Darkness keeps growing in her: because the hamster’s sense of “Alpha” is NON-CONSTANT. And the non-virginal hamster will not perceive “Alpha” in you unless you brutalize her worse than any of her previous lovers have brutalized her. Ergo once the seeds of The Darkness have been planted in her heart, The Darkness continues to consume her until inevitably it destroys her.
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And then there’s the profoundly anti-Natural perfidy of chemical abortifacients like the Birth Control Pill: If, nine months later, a chick isn’t forced to birth some shiftless vagrant brutalizer’s child, then she is NOT being held accountable for [what ought to have been] the natural biological consequences of her misbehavior. And as The Darkness grows in her heart, she comes to forget that G0d endowed her with the gift of sexuality so as to welcome new souls into the world, and instead she comes to believe that S@tan endowed her with a cl!t & a vag & an anu$ in order to indulge in the most obscenely lewd acts of death-cult narcissistic self-gratification.
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Tradcon fathers simply must have these brutally intimate & honest conversations with their daughters about the nature of modernity & The Darkness. Also, I strongly urge Tradcon fathers to NOT allow their daughters to go on chemical abortifacients like the BCP or mechanical abortifacients like the IUD. Tell your daughter in no uncertain terms: Do NOT f0rnicate with a dude unless not only are you consumed with the desire to birth his child nine months later, but also you are confident that I will wholeheartedly approve of welcoming his progeny into our family as my grandchildren [because otherwise me & Mr Mossberg will simply execute the m0therf*cker, if we suspect that he might introduce substandard seed into our bloodlines].
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Nobody matches CO’s barbaric vitality in writing. Fantastic string of comments above.
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Pure poetry.
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Gawd, I generally dislike agreeing with you, but this rant strikes a chord with me due to a woman I recently dated. She was very intelligent for a woman (an MD) and enjoyed sex, but she needed it “rough” and revealed that in her college days she hung around with a rough crowd of boys rather than other young women, even though she went to an all-girls school. No open confessions were necessary, her oral history since those days and her current actions said it all.
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Very well-said, CO.
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“Conversations”? Against such dark impulses you so vividly describe above, what good are conversations?
No, only compulsion will do. If she’s lucky, she will gain a retrospective understanding in her 40’s why her dad used his shotgun liberally and frequently.
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MK, I strongly agree on the primacy of the shotgun, but kids have the strangest ability to rise to the level of the behavior which is expected of them. Spend gobs of time talking through this dark ugly sh!znat with your daughters, so that they understand very clearly what behavior is acceptable to the family, and what behavior is not acceptable.
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Also, girls, [and their moms] are in awe of the power of PROPHESY. Study the other chicks within her social circle, and then PREDICT which temporary “BFF” is in fact a walking talking trainwreck, and how her trainwreck of a life is about to unfold. Then a few months later, when it all transpires for the [now former] “BFF”, precisely as you had foretold, the girl will think you are a minor deity – at least on the level of nephilim, if not higher…
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Lucid.
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Well said CO. You describe what I plan on doing.
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Bachelors know more about women than married men. If they didn’t, they’d be married, too.
A man may be a fool and not know it — but not if he is married.
No matter how happily a woman may be married, it always pleases her to discover that there is a nice man who wishes that she were not.
H.L.Mencken
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Aside of darwin like reasons for that, there are also psychological motives. The 1000 flags PUA is a man who knows himself, who has self screening and self control, he can even handle situations and people, he is a master of the life. But the slut of the 1000 anal rides is a slave of her dirty corner of her soul(anus?)
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See that? When you drop the noisy “Eskimo” monomania, you actually write kinda well.
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The problem with tradcons not understanding very basic sexual realities is that it distorts almost every other belief that they have concerning society because the sexual market is the king. The one that drives everything else.
If the tradcons get it right it’s usually something that doesn’t conflict with their primary programming of ‘beta provider wage slave husband/supreme leader wife’.
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> “beta provider wage slave husband/supreme leader wife” ——— Where the f*ck are you people getting this definition of Tradcon? In my family, “Tradcon” means that the thought of Dad getting angry scares you so much that your knees start trembling and you hyperventilate and you’re in danger of an humiliating episode of urinary or bowel incontinence.
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‘Where the f*ck are you people getting this definition of Tradcon?’
My own two eyes.
In the professional class of society my definition is correct.
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Are you talking dudes who shower too much materialistic crap on “Daddy’s Little Angel”? That’s an entirely new phenomenon – when I was growing up, everyone looked down on the families who spoiled their little girls like that – we thought of them as nouveau riche glorified trailer trash.
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Precisely. “Tradcon” is some kind of straw bogeyman against which recovering PUA libertines still feel compelled to scream, “FUCK YOU, DAD.”
You know how to avoid the straw man trap? Provide real-world examples. (Hint: liberal fantasy fiction comprising oppressive/secretly-gay authoritarian figures does not count.)
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Yep. I recall that feeling all too well.
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Yes, and feminism is about real equality because the feminists say so just like Xtianity isn’t about importing Africans, sucking up to women and the rest of the typical Christfag poz. Nobody gives a shit what something means in your family just like nobody gives a shit about each definition of racism shitlibs have.
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Trad cons usd to be the most Aware of female sexuality. It became lost in Victorian pedestalization of women.
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Victoria died in 1901. Shiznat like female sufferage didn’t take off for another couple of decades after her death. I’d guess that it might date more to the Roaring 20s – flapper girls dancing the Charleston in the USA, Henry Miller with Juliet Edith Smerth & Jean Kronski in Paris, and Marlene Dietrich dyking it up in Weimar Deutschland. And of course the Eskimo Psychiatrists beginning to sow their poison throughout the entire culture.
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Roman Catholic here. Good post, nice and sober approach without blasphemy and materialistic bullshit.
Female complexities and the troubles men could fall into if they choose to ignore or belittle them are not an evolucionist psychology innovation, but an basic knowledge mastered by the old Hebrews.
That Lars von Trier’s “Antichrist” is a good movie on it.
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There are very few people overall that fully know and understand red-pill concepts. Could easily be 1 in 250k people. Hence, whatever demographic you take, they are bound to have incorrect ideas on sex and gender differences.
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Very good points.
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Like all things modern and shitty, denial of biologically based sex differences goes back to the cultural programming of holocaustianity. Holocaustianity treats humans as material things open to scientific analysis up until the point the egalitarian premise of western civ is forced into question.
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“Women are the reproductively more valuable sex …”
A more useful way of saying this is that a woman can have about 10 kids, and a man can have about 100.
The impact on evolved differences in behavior between men and women has been enormous. We see many of the differences in both animals and people, and we see some behaviors unique to humans.
Why Men and Women Do What They Do explains it pretty succinctly.
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2013/04/why-men-and-women-do-what-they-do.html
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OT.
CH, what game would you employ on a female army soldier? Enlisted or retired. Similarly, female police officer and other positions of authority with a gun attached. I would imagine one would have to step it up especially with a female cop; she sure hears a lot of BS on daily basis…
How about Syrian Sniper Game? Send the refuges back and bring in their women instead 🙂
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Many tradcons cling to quasi-feminism because doing otherwise would force them to confront their own beta character.
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I guess I must have had a really weird experience growing up, because in my family, “Tradcon” meant hot-tempered physically overwhelming intellectually superior Peak Alpha Dads. In this town, the Beta dads were all l!btards.
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Traditional : tradcon :: Christian : churchian
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Churchianism == Cuckstianity isn’t traditional. It’s the result of gl0b0-h0m0 Eskimos & S0d0mites infiltrating the seminaries and poisoning the curriculae. The Gospels are brutally honest about the inevitable gnashing of the teeth which awaits us.
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it’s not so unusual it’s just that the entire spectrum has shifted left. so what was then considered center is now considered far right. and what was then considered progressive is now considered centrist
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“The Gospels are brutally honest …”
Please, by all means. do go on. I’m all ears… – JO
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@Captain Obvious
I see it in similar terms. When I was a child and did something foolish, and my mom found out, she would give me a relatively minor punishment, then the dreaded words would fall from her mouth: ‘Wait until your father gets home.’ I would then fear the REAL punishment; a few comments about my dumb actions, and then a few lashes on my ass. Later, mom would come in to comfort me, explain the terms of my grounding, and we moved on. The fear of paternal punishment kept me from totally fucking up my life. He was the first person I would go to if I had a problem. His advice about women, and life in general, has served me well. There’s no anger. (Pussy, cultmarx parenting enables large-scale POZ.) Looking back, that’s the way it’s supposed to be and I will never blame parents who act similarly. In fact, it seems that ass-whippings need to make a comeback. None of this, ‘timeout. No iphag’, shit.
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Yes, and in my family feminism means all females on this planet are my property. Who gives a shit?
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Absolutely right PA… and uncomfortable for many…
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there does seem to be one big difference between the two: the tradcon ideology ultimately cannot coexist with birth control
amirite?
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You’d have to define “the tradcon ideology”. But Tradcon fathers simply must have brutally honest discussions with their daughters about Hypergamy & The Darkness & The 1000 C0ck Stare & how birth-control-induced purposeless f0rnication inevitably destroys the female soul.
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That evinces you don’t know jackshit about women if you think conversations matter to her. Whatever idiotic scare stories you put in her hand pale in comparison to how tingles feel to her.
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You just gotta be a sloppy mess in the first place to even need birth control.
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But CD, they’re all sloppy messes now. ALL OF THEM. Brutal honesty from a Tradcon Father is necessary to keep them from becoming sloppy messes in the first place. And I’d argue that the best prophylactic is NO B!RTH CONTROL AT ALL. She only f0rnicates with dudes whose progeny she intends to bear.
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i took his comment to mean if society is a sloppy mess. IOW, there’s only a place for birth control in societies whose value system is already in an advanced state of decay
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I was referring to the men. Ammunition discipline, gentlemen, ammunition discipline.
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A common comment I hear people who put their daughter on birth control at a young age is:
She’s going to have sex either way. At least this way she won’t get pregnant early
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Again, it’s because these “men” think their mom, sister or daughters are “different” and special when they are not. They don’t want to tell the truth because then they have to look at these special snowflakes in their life. Then, the rebuttal by the special women in their life would say don’t forget your special mother or daughter is a woman. And God forbid these males not men have to do this.
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I love my mother and sister despite their natures. It’s comical how easily men are duped and I learned it from my sister first and by sometimes being privy to the conversations of her and her friends(omg, that co-worker did such and such and made me tingle so bad I couldn’t focus on work etc). Hating your female part of the family for it is like them hating us for our caddish impulses.
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Woah @ rape victims dating their rapists
Can we just agree that Stockholm Syndrome is a PC term for female sexuality
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“Can we just agree that Stockholm Syndrome is a PC term for female sexuality?” —Wrong Side of History
Just added to the official record of Red Pill aphorisms. And yes, yes, we can.
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I’ve been calling it that to their faces for years now.
They never get it. Never.
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sex is not the primary motivating factor in human relations, sorry Mr. Freud… it ain’t sex. It’s power. Much more intoxicating. For most people, a much bigger and better high. Notice how feminism never really pushes sex as much as it pushes power. That’s ’cause the thought of power gets people high as fuck.
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Your right and I am the oddball, but I have always preferred sex. I only like power to avoid being fucked with and to get more sex.
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I disagree. For a woman, being a HB9 is power..high as fuck on validation from other women and desire from high value men.
Feminists are generally invisible in the SM as they are ugly, or ugly and old..so they seek what they find attractive – power.
Extreme alpha men for example, take the late Paul Walker, seek younger, hotter, tighter..thats power too. Drained balls in hot women = happiness.
Come the future sexbot revolution, i could see alot of typical men simulating the African male lifestyle..hanging around with your buds and letting the ‘ambitious’ women do all the work.
[CH: that’s exactly right. the sexbot devolution will africanize the west (with everything that entails).]
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Rick, so its NOT the sex, per se, but the power the sexuality imparts. That’s what I was going on about. But, yeah, absolutely, re: the Afreecan future. But if S.A. and Mozambique are anything to go by, those women won’t be doing too much actually work. Won’t men, at some time, become tired of ‘hut’ life, and seek out something to build and/or create? I don’t know, really. Maybe we’ll find a kinethetic pleasure in our indigence… surfing, playing music, doing sweet f.a. all day… It could grow on you.
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Based on what I’ve read, the pedestalization of women as pure, innocent angel darlings who can do no wrong, don’t have a bad bone in their bodies and must be saved from the naturally evil and predatory men did not become widespread until after the Napoleonic wars.
Which may have something to do with the simultaneously occurring rise of a social class that had never really existed before, at least not in significant numbers – a wealthy & powerful bourgeoisie, what we might call the ‘middle class’ today.
Prior to the late 18th/early 19th centuries, virtually all the power in the land rested with a mere handful of élites – nobility, clergy & military – while easily 90+% of the population existed in poverty and near-slavery conditions.
Contrary to what one sees in today’s moo-vees, the princess would never get anywhere near any commoners, plus, she was constantly under heavily armed protection, so hanky-panky on her part was practically impossible.
Conversely, commoner fathers (??) and husbands had no real way of protecting their women from horny men-at-arms, landlords, priests, roving bands of brigands, invading hordes other than taking to the woods before such threats even arose.
The 19th century bourgeoisie, however (ancestors of today’s tradcons), enjoyed a pretty good level of protection from such depredations, and so could afford to erect a framework of fantasies around the supposed ‘purity’ and ‘innocence’ of their wives and daughters, a framework which remained intact until the cultural (and sexual) revolution of….wait for it….the 1960’s.
I renew my recommendation of Victor Hugo’s [I]Notre Dame de Paris (The Hunchback of Notre Dame[/I] as one of the GBFM.
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‘could afford to erect a framework of fantasies around the supposed ‘purity’ and ‘innocence’ of their wives and daughters’
Fantasies. This how beta males want women to be not how they are.
When that class of men wasn’t needed as much, then the fantasy has been torn to shreds. Even with that happening, beta men still want to be true so badly that they will allow themselves to be cucked to not face the reality of their own inadequacies.
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beta men still want to be true so badly that they will allow themselves to be cucked to not face the reality of their own inadequacies.
This is the key to becoming a Leftist- you must place your fantasies and emotions above logic and reason.
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Wolfie is off by about half a millennium.
Women were put on a pedestal during the Age Of Chivalry…
… and I don’t think it was just because a bunch of wandering troubadours had too much time on their hands and had to come up with something/anything to sing about.
Maybe it was all the bad asses tacitly agreeing to tone down the bad-assery… at least within their own social classes.
Maybe it was because an expensive knight could be dispatched rather easily by some dweeb peasant who managed to obtain a crossbow.
Maybe it was just that innate sense of honour that occasionally arises in men of mettle.
Anyway, it plainly WASN’T because of the rise of the middle class.
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The Christian word for “pedestalization” is the sturdier and more elegant term, “idolatry.”
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…or maybe pussy pedestalizing came about as massive propaganda campaign intended to cater to woman’s higher faculties of self discipline and restraint, giving them a model to aspire to, rather than catering to their hypergamous instincts
perhaps it was so useful/successful that eventually it came to be mistaken for their actual nature, not unlike how kleenex came to be synonymous with facial tissue
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Chivalry was the direct result of the Church getting the enforcers, namely Knights, to stop fighting and become more civilized. Constant warfare at the local level was seriously damaging prosperity and the social order for all and of course created a situation where outside invaders, like the Vikings were left alone to plunder because the nobles were too busy fighting one another. Its roots are the church doctrine of Peace and Truce in God- A voluntary system of rules for warfare to make it more humane and it also prohibited them from making wars of agression against other Christians. The Exaltation of female virtues was seen as a way of getting these illiterate biker types who made up the knighthood in those days to act more like civilized human beings.
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Maybe it was because an expensive knight could be dispatched rather easily by some dweeb peasant who managed to obtain a crossbow.
It was actually the English longbow that was the first weapon that could reliably pierce plate armor, and as you are probably aware, it led to huge advances in human rights, for rather obvious reasons. (Medieval knights weren’t the noble paladins they’re usually portrayed as, they were much more like old-time Lon Horiuchis, robbing and killing the peasants at the behest of the King and, while they were at it, raping the peasant women at their own behest.)
The English version of “the bird,” showing the front of one’s index and middle fingers, came from this. There was one King who banned possession of these bows under pain of amputation of those fingers, and possessors of them would sometimes flash those fingers at the knights as a way of taunting them.
And no, that King wasn’t our very own purveyor of turgid bombast, Matt King; It was another King. 😀
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King nails it.
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The Black Death was most responsible for the social changes of which you speak as it created a massive labor shortage combined with the realization that social station did not guarantee God’s mercy.
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More than the King’s speech is turgid.
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The Age of Chivalry only existed for a very small élite, I’m talking about the majority population.
Who, in the Middle Ages, couldn’t spell their own name, never mind ‘chivalry’.
A few hundred troubadours and a couple thousand knights do not a societal revolution make.
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The mere handful of personages which you’re attempting to palm off as immaterial usually do not imprint a societal code as “Age Of” anything, if immaterial as you attempt to maintain.
Recheck your premises… and your numbers.
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Something I wrote about chivalry on my site in a recent post on White knighting:
“White knighting is a derivative of a social contract wherein men’s valor is exchanged for women’s virtue. Chivalry was never a one-way street; that would have been called “cuckoldry.” A chivalrous knight defended the lady — but he also scorned the whore and had his adulterous wife beheaded.”
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I believe the crossbow was actually the first to be outlawed, indeed, even by Church edict! One of the few times the Nobilities of Cloth and Sword were in violent agreement. 😉
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A fair point, PA, but I believe when we speak of the pedestalization of women, we’re talking about the concept of purity and assumed innocence… until proven otherwise.
As you rightly point out, chivalry as in Age Of did not mean whores and errant wives got the benefit… nor do whores nor wives today receive the benefit of that code’s concept.
Whether thirsty betas or the courts seem to give a pass to said behavior is beside the point. Nobody is arguing the exalted perceived nature of said women, they’re just not suffering any consequences there of… due to men these days putting up with anything for a sniff of poon, and courts controlled by the Cathedral.
Ain’t no gallantry involved.
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Crossbows on the continent and longbows in Britain and its possessions. Longbows were invented by the Welsh and were a state secret for a long time.
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Those sly Welsh! They kept it a secret a bit too long, I imagine, hence today the only term we hear of is the “English” longbow. 😉
Credit where due, though… they make a helluva grape jam! lzolzozlozlozlozlozlozlozl
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@Greg, yes the English took credit for it because they used it in their armies and adopted it themselves for obvious reasons. Wales is also an historical Possession of the British Royal Family. But the Welsh still invented the long bow as a way to fight the Sassanacks.
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wolfie, I think you need to factor in the distinction between female survival instincts (socially engineered off) and reproductive instincts (socially engineered on and hysterical). Women who did not produce blood for the white pillow, who did not prove the wares of virginity, were not given quarter. Women are more like water than Bruce Lee. The alpha container is the globalists’ IMF tax farm. Women become (as much as possible, and attempt no other function) the remotely plausible form highest in the eyes of alpha, now institutional government as representative of the globalists and not a husband. Wedlock is no longer an absolute custody divider. Change that and remove welfare and women will become dutiful helpmates for no apparent reason. If the government had eyes and a dick, modern m2f seduction would not exist.
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All these idiotic beliefs about human nature are bourgeoisie just like political correctness. The noble savage, tabula rasa etc also arose out of the beliefs of the same class.
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@ Greg – The Age of Chivalry wasn’t called that until much later – by a few élites.
Take your average farmer, laborer, tradesman (easily 95+% of the population in the Middle Ages).
A platoon of soldiers, roving bandits, Huns or other invaders happen to come by the farm, all he’s got to defend his family are a flail and a pitchfork.
If he doesn’t manage to flee with the family before the threat gets there, the only way any of his are going to survive this encounter is if he hides and let the intruders to his wife and daughter what they will.
You tell him he’s living in the Age of Chivalry.
He’s going to beat the living crap out of you and feed you to the hog.
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My brother, the dubbing of that era at a later date by academians or “elites” of any stripe is immaterial.
The movers and shakers of the time… hell, of ANY time… are the ones who put their stamp on society, and yes, they are often the minority of the population.
Which gainsays nothing about my point, which was that the pedestalization of women occurred much earlier than you stated, and had nothing to do with the rise of a middle class.
The concept of a good woman being “precious gold” goes way, way back even before the aforementioned times of chivalry. Scripture (by way of Solomon) is replete with such references… as well as the opposite side of the coin, for women who don’t follow the straight and narrow.
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What is the emphasis on Christianity here? It comes up in the comments on every post.
I have been here about ten days and the principles being promoted bear little resemblance to the teachings of Jesus, e.g. The Golden Rule. It seems quite the opposite. Jesus was not a “shitlord” “asshole” “jerkboy”.”rapist”. He was not whiney and bitchy. He did not sound like a 14 year old boy in his mom’s basement..
Consider reading, “Jesus Confronts An American Believer”
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2013/11/jesus-confronts-american-believer.html
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Consider that anyone who sounds like that could be an agent provocateur trying to make everyone look bad. It is as if they are smearing poo all over the site.
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I would like to add that Jesus was not into conformity, hierarchy, or fascism, but I see those too promoted here often.
Conformity and hierarchy are the peak of animal evolution. they are the Soul of Animals.
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2012/10/the-soul-of-animals.html
Whereas, Jesus promoted the peak of human evolution – the Soul Of Humanity.
http://www.endofinnocence.com/2012/08/the-soul-of-humanity.html
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I would like to add that Jesus was not into conformity and hierarchy, but I see those too promoted here often.
Conformity and hierarchy are the peak of animal evolution. they are the Soul of Animals.
Whereas, Jesus promoted the peak of human evolution – the Soul Of Humanity.
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http://www.endofinnocence.com/2012/10/the-soul-of-animals.html
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http://www.endofinnocence.com/2012/08/the-soul-of-humanity.html
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Jesus was actually a big, intimidating man with excellent frame and quiet Alpha shit lord skills. They are overlooked because he didn’t care about pussy. Read the Woman of the Well parable for a good example of this. The hooker gets tingles for him. That’s hard to do.
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It’s almost Sunday
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Asymmetry. Christ, the True Rogue, had a dutifully boundless ambition.
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Captain Obvious, try again with a different sockpuppet.
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Well, you’re right about a few things, foremost the dichotomy of Christian principles versus poon-uber-alles, what-makes-an-alpha alleged red-pillery that is touted by many in this chateau…
… but you’re wrong about hierarchy…
God is “no respecter of persons”, like toady humans can be… and at a spiritual level, we are all the same.
But God is a God of order and justice, and there are hierarchies in heaven and on earth, by His decree… even among the church and believers.
We’re not all The Elect, nor are we meant to be… numerous verses explain the levels of everything from angels (seraphim, cherubim, demons, etc.) to the faithful within the church (prophets, teachers, elders, etc.) to pretty much every aspect of human existence (slaves, masters, kings, princes, governors, etc.).
It’s all summarized rather succinctly by that “members of the body” verse recently cited by our venerable Matt King, 1 Corinthians 12:12 through 27.:
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1 Corinthians 12:12 through 27 sounds really egalitarian – really non-hierarchical.
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God wants us to live in small, like minded communities that work together and have relatively flat hierarchies based on personal attachments and the golden rule. It differs from communism substantially in that it allows and encourages privat eproperty and sharing it and cooperation based on mutual self interest versus forced association and theft of the production of labor.
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From what I can tell, heaven is run along military lines and there is a definite hierarchy.
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Something the neckbearded Odinists repeatedly fail to understand is that egalitarianism is fine when mediated by the divine truth and by the divine truth alone. Manmade attempts at equalizing result in the leveling of the virtuous, the spiteful destruction of greatness, which is another word for Godliness. Ressentiment is not a factor in the judgment of the God who made us.
In other words, Christian egalitarianism fails in modernity not because the idea is faulty but because we are attempting a Christianity without the Christ. See Tower of Babel for spoilers about how that story ends.
There are many parts but one body does not refer to the body of humanity. It refers to the Body of Christ.
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Dude! You seem to be stumbling over the denotation of egalitarian… the argument here is that all parts are NOT equal, though they all contribute to the whole in their own way… as in not all members of an organization are equal, yet required for the organization to run as it is meant to. Note by your own nitpicking (you tedious one), that the very verse you seem to think makes your argument actually gainsays it. Treat with SPECIAL honor, though weaker and less honorable to the world (as in how we teat the “fairer” sex, for example?).
And once again, like before, you nitpick a portion and conveniently ignore the other words which leave no doubt as to their meaning.
Look, if you’re just going to spew your nonsense, then my bad for giving you the benefit of the doubt on your mistaken beliefs as a Christian… a trait all-too-common nowadays.
I mentioned the hierarchy of believers, assuming you knew the verses… Ephesians 4:11-16 for one, as well as the “women are not to speak in church”, but have other roles within the community of believers, etc., etc., etc.
In short, you’re just plain wrong, and if you’re not going to admit it, no further discourse is necessary.
Then again, by this statement of yours:
I see a totally different tone from your original post, which sounded like you were a Christian.
I see now that you’re nothing of the kind, just another sophomore who is wise in his own eyes.
I debate from the standpoint that Scripture is what it says it is, the Word of God, men being merely the tools He used to put it in writing for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.
So, as others have already wisely remarked, this is just another case of shillery countermanded, and now time to knock the dust from the sandals and walk away from your town.
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I generally know what the Bible says because I used to teach it a long time ago.
You are making a circular argument. You are essentially saying that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
You must first prove that Heaven exists before you can claim to know its hierarchy. If you could do that, then you would still have to prove that the Bible accurately describes Heaven.
The Bible is unacceptable as a source of proof for anything supernatural. It could have some credibility if it contained knowledge that was impossible for humans at the time. For example, it could have described galaxies, atoms, and DNA, but it didn’t. It could have predicted cars, computers, and airplanes, but it didn’t. It could have mapped the whole earth and the solar system, but it didn’t. Suppose it did have such knowledge. Then I would say that it is far more likely to have come from aliens than from God, Jesus, and angels.
It is unhealthy to promote obedience. Obedience is not very compatible with independent thinking, which is always good. Would a loving god, a god that deserves our admiration, want us to be obedient, or would he want us to be independent thinkers?
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Future Jim,
“You are making a circular argument. You are essentially saying that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.”
This is King’s entire modus pensandi. The Christian hamster at its most obnoxious and self-serving. Essentially, every one of his comments boils down to one lesson: Christianity is true because I have understood it in such a way that my own personality is extolled therein. Thus, Christ becomes the “Ur-Shitlord”, and in just three years he remade the world. Nothing about Constantine, the wishful-thinking of the Roman underclass, etc.
It’s actually rather sad — one wonders what older Christian writers, who understood humility, would make of such grandstanding egotism masquerading as the Word. The Church used to be for withdrawing from the world; under King’s online ministry, it serves to aggrandize one’s supremacy within it.
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I have not engaged you in “argument,” and I said why I wouldn’t above.
uh: Christianity is true because it has been revealed, Christianity is faith seeking understanding, and faith is “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
As far as your citation of hamsters and shithouse psychology, I have no time to deal with your projection issues. I have accounted for the paradoxes that you are still trying to forcibly resolve by human will alone. I don’t have the inclination to patiently walk you through them. There’s a war on, and you’re counting angels on the head of a pin.
You can start by boning up on the basics of what you’re trying to judge wanting. Christianity is not about “withdrawing from the world.” See The Great Commission at the end of Matthew. We are in but not of the world. Buddhism is about the nihilist withdrawal you’ve mistaken for The Word. It is impossible to reconcile two obvious principles when you are so ignorant about the one.
And if you can’t get yourself up to speed, kindly shut the fuck up while we organize around the eternal orthodox principles that will make your Nordic LARP fantasies more than lamentations tapped out in a lonely combox.
Matt
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You’ve got some causalities twisted. “Shitlordism” is the truth, and Christianity is the truth. There will be a natural affinity between the two. And if you fail to see the relationship, chances are best that the problem is in you and your inability to perceive, rather than in the truth itself (the Socratic humility: All I know is I know nothing).
“Every one who is of the truth hears my voice” (John 17:37). Note the arrow of causality. If you possess the truth but not faith in Christ, that is simply a matter of not knowing truth by his Proper Name.
If you can’t reconcile shitlordism to the Word of God, guess which one withers and dies? Many have tried to force their pet preferences through this contradiction, destroying themselves in the process. You won’t be the last.
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Jesus is the Ur-Shitlord, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last. In three years of ministry, he remade the world.
Again, the problem is you — and not you per se so much as the lies you’ve absorbed by osmosis, which told you The Christ and The Redeemer was some kind of gentle bearded pussy who passively stumbled into saving humanity from itself.
Christ Jesus overturned every convention while fulfilling the law. The Sanhedrin executed him, accusing him of being what we today would call an “asshole,” “jerkboy,” and “rapist.” Tell me, how would you recognize the revolutionary in your midst? Do you think the establishment would call him nice things? Or would they use the modern terms of condemnation — racist, sexist, hater — and call for his destruction with extreme prejudice?
Stay more than a week, and the whole truth will begin clarifying itself day by day.
Matt
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From the context these last 10 days, “shitlord” sounds someone who shits all over people, especially women, and gets away with it.
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“Tell me, how would you recognize the revolutionary in your midst?”
I AM the revolutionary in my midst. Check out my site http://www.EndOfinnocence.com
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This is the blasphemy that self-consigns you to the living damnation long before your death. The incurvatus in se, the hump-backed miser turning in on and devouring oneself. The preposterous solipsism, the worship of a creature whose eyeblink of an existence is three score and ten.
Think twice before capitalizing “I am” so insouciantly. Exodus 3:14; John 8:58. U R shit on a shoe. Compared to YHWH, you are “a thumbprint on the window of a skyscraper, a smudge of excrement on a tissue surging out to sea with a million tons of raw sewage,” an ember in the furnace of the sun. And yet a dignified ember, should you ever get the fuck over yourself.
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You claimed there were revolutionaries in my midst, so, why is it impossible that I am the revolutionary? You can see that I am promoting non-conformity. Did you even read my work at http://www.EndOfInnocence.com so that you could have an informed opinion?
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Oh, was your problem just with the word “AM” being in caps? You do realize that we don’t have italics to emphasize a word here? Don’t you? Would you like to reconsider your response?
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In addition to jumping to conclusions about my use of caps instead of italics, you then reply with negative fabrications and threaten me with your religion, which is not my religion. If you were me, how would you interpret your words? How impressed would you be? how persuaded would you be?
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I did not realize that, no. One thousand apologies, effendi.
That you regard assertions of truth as “threats” tells me all I need to know about your capacity for philosophy and therefore the integrity of your utterances. Waste of time!
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Jim, Matt was referring to a key point about subsuming your ego to God and it went right over your head.
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Jim,,
I have many answers for you but they requirr too much background information. You make the usual sophist mistakes. I’m with Matt on this one. Shake the dust off your sandals…
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Your assertions of truth are just your opinions, for which you have no evidence, or else I would have heard that evidence by now, but if you do have some evidence (other than ancient texts that contain no impossible knowledge), then let’s hear it.
You said I was condemned to damnation before death (first threat), didn’t that also mean after death (second threat)? Your religion does include damnation after death doesn’t it? Damnation after death includes anyone, like me, who is not part of your religion (third threat) doesn’t it?
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@Carlos, Sure, I’m always open to new evidence. Let’s hear it. My email address is on my blog.
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@Carlos, I’ll give you a jump start. Consider that I used to be a Bible discussion group leader a long time ago, and I threw out everything I believed (best thing I ever did) and religion never made it back in. I have always been a fan of Jesus, although I have not found any credible evidence that he even existed (as a man). I have always gotten along well with religious people though, and I have considered them my allies in the fight for freedom (e.g. Tea Partiers) against progressives, globalists, communists, etc.. It saddens me that religious people are becoming so mean and are being played so effectively nowadays. After many years of research, I am of the opinion that now and for possibly thousands of years, the world has been run by conspiracy, and that such conspiracy includes religion. We are being played, and people need to wake the f*ck up. I go into a lot more detail on my blog.
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Future Jim,
I don’t care. Most Bible discussion leaders are not that bright and often misinterpret the Bible, hence the POZed church we have today. I stopped going because they mean well but I have invariably had to explain things to them becasue they lacked the historical knowledge or perspective of what is happening.
You will get the gamut of interpretations if you look for them from men. These same people will tell me I’m a heretic for praying to my guardian angel or to the Blessed Virgin. Pray the Rosary for inspiration is my advice. Read the books of Enoch, Jaspers and Jubilees for more details on these things. I also refer you to NDE testimonials, all of which reveal a military style of hierarchy. Nathan Wheeler’s testimonials are very detailed this way, if too long and wordy. Howard Storm is one I have a lot of faith in as well as Ian MacCormack, whom I have met personally.
You will likely be dealing with Saint Michael when you go over your life upstairs for example and he will be very military in bearing and demeanor to include barking orders. Basically, if someone wrote it in the last 50 years, its likely POZed. I stick to sources I trust, like Bishop Sheen, Bishop Williamson, Father Malachi Martin, etc. I go to Protestant churches too. I don’t see them as the enemy at all but I view traditional Catholicism and Orthodox Catholicism as the true word of God.
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I agree with you on the conspiracy business but those have nothing to do with the church, which will always reside only in the hearts of righteous men. Satan rules this planet and God is trying to wrest it back from him and the war is ongoing. The entire Story must be viewed in that context from beginning to end. The Book of Enoch really fills this out and answers those questions about what is really happening her on Earth. We are the problem race and the problem planet. Other races and planets don’t have these problems and God is tryng to get us to their level. I will be the first to tell you that we have an apostate Pope now and that Satan has entered the sanctuary. This is prophecy many times over as a matter of fact. Praying the Rosary is the Catholic message in a nutshell and all you really have to do. I think you would be very interested in listening to the Art Bell interviews of Father Malachi Martin as he has unique insights into the supernatural and how it works from his many years as an exorcist and a classical scholar. I am a trained astrologer too and have an occult background prior to my conversion. I view Christianity from that perspective first and foremost. As I had always suspected, I learned that astrology was received wisdom from the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch. There is no way the Magi could have invented it on their own. Astrology complements Christianity for instance, although few People know it.
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Mark 8:18, with a (((shakin’ o’ de haid)))
Egalitarian… doesn’t that mean “all equal”?
What does 1 Corinthians 12 say?
“18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. ”
In other words, some parts are different… some are unpresentable, some are presentable… some are weaker… and some less honorable… yet still part of the whole body.
Sound like a hierarchical organization to me.
And like I said before, this is but a succinct summation of the concept… I gave many other examples of angel hierarchies, believer hierarchies, and mankind hierarchies.
And yet you try to focus in merely one part, in an attempt to gainsay?
Don’t play Satan’s role of casting doubt for him… he handles the job well enough on his own…
… brother., 😡
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I read it again. Definitely egalitarian. Definitely.
“22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor.”
Perhaps you can cite something Jesus said that promotes hierarches?
As for hierarchies among men. That is the whole point. They are bad, and we can do much better as is explained in Rule of Market – The Next Leap Forward. http://www.endofinnocence.com/2014/07/rule-of-market-next-leap-forward.html
As for hierarchies in Heaven, you simply have no evidence that they even exist, let alone that we must emulate them. The bible was constructed by men who wanted people to be easier to rule, and it was written by Jews who wanted people to believe that Jews were God’s chosen people. Is your religion the right one out of thousands? Has God spoken to you personally? Do you have any pictures or video? Forcing your authoritarian interpretation of your religion on others with such weak evidence is not admirable in any way.
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I just read it again. Definitely egalitarian. Definitely.
“On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor.”
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As for hierarchies among men, that is the whole point. They are bad, and we can do much better. Consider reading, Rule of Market – The Next Leap Forward at http://www.endofinnocence.com/2014/07/rule-of-market-next-leap-forward.html
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As for hierarchies among believers, that is not supported by the Bible, and hierarchies among believers look pretty soul sick and on the dark side don’t they.
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Think of an Army. I need rangers and solid infantry far more than I need finance clerks, but without those finance clerks, my infantry doesn’t get paid and quits.
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Your arguments seem to go against The Golden Rule.
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As for hierarchies in Heven, you have no evidence that they even exist, let alone that we must emulate them.
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Is your religion the correct one among thousands?
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The Bible was constructed by men who wanted people to be easier to rule, and it was constructed by Jews who wanted people to see them as God’s chosen people.
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Do you have any pictures or video. Any artifacts at all? Any ancient knowledge that would have been impossible?
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Your attempts to force your auth0ritarian interpretation of your religion on others based on such weak evidence and self-serving history makes you and your religion look bad
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@Carlos, different roles do not imply hierarchy, and definitely do not require hierarchy. I am particularly concerned with involuntary hierarchy. Some limited voluntary hierarchy isn’t necessarily bad.
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Spambot. Do you sell boner pills at your blog or something? Take it down twenty notches.
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Geez, Louise… fail more.
I won’t belabor too much of the obvious about the standing of Christ Himself, and the exalted place He achieved for His obedience… nor the 144,000 members of the Elect, slated to be governors in the new world.
Let’s start with milk for babes, rather than meat, since due season appears well into the future for some here.
Read Jude, and tell me exactly what the word archangel denotes and connotes.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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I generally know what the Bible says because I used to teach it a long time ago.
You are making a circular argument. You are essentially saying that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
You must first prove that Heaven exists before you can claim to know its hierarchy. If you could do that, then you would still have to prove that the Bible accurately describes Heaven.
The Bible is unacceptable as a source of proof for anything supernatural. It could have some credibility if it contained knowledge that was impossible for humans at the time. For example, it could have described galaxies, atoms, and DNA, but it didn’t. It could have predicted cars, computers, and airplanes, but it didn’t. It could have mapped the whole earth and the solar system, but it didn’t. Suppose it did have such knowledge. Then I would say that it is far more likely to have come from aliens than from God, Jesus, and angels.
It is unhealthy to promote obedience. Obedience is not very compatible with independent thinking, which is always good. Would a loving god, a god that deserves our admiration, want us to be obedient, or would he want us to be independent thinkers?
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Ask a ranger and what he thinks of a finance clerk and then tell me about hierarchies between differing roles again.
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Well, if the debate is about God, heaven, and Christianity, there has to be a stake in the ground. If you don’t believe that the Bible is what it says it is, namely the Word of God, then there’s no point in continuing said debate, is there? (Duh!)
Save your sophomoric verbal jew-jitsu for the community college crowd… it’s been established you pride yourself on that inane concept of being an “independent thinker”… bravo, kid, like so many others, you’re wise in your own eyes… been there myself. But just like there’s no longer a debate on a future for White children, I no longer debate unbelievers about what Christianity entails. Most of you are disingenuous shills who try to mock God and His faithful, often by selectively misusing the Bible itself, as a lame attempt to neener-neener those who actually believe and understand the nuances of Scripture.
You say you studied it, and even taught it? Well, there are many false teachers, as the Word tells us, and too bad you didn’t delve into things with enough of an open heart and mind, and the wisdom to dig deeper when things didn’t jibe with how YOU think the world should be.
But don’t think you’ve had your eyes opened or some sort of awakening… all you’ve done is return to your loved Egyptian night.
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We have a strong contingent of Christians among the long time members. Many have converted after pondering these issues for a long time and discussing them. We are a big tent but the devout Christians are generally the longest standing and most respected members here. I do not speak for myself but the strict Catholics like Ponce de Lion,King, Amasius, and a few others are the stellar brains here. But I admit it attracted me greatly to the idea of returning to the church and I am very happy I made the return.
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Thanks for the shout-out.
I’m actually not a Catholic, but I have great respect for traditional, strong, sensible Christianity. When I read Alfred Rosenberg I favor Protestantism and when I read E. Michael Jones I favor Catholicism. I suppose they both work well as long as they don’t get poz’d. I’m personally a secular White identitarian with an affinity for the Greco-Roman/Renaissance worldview, not that I have much of an interest in pushing it or denigrating Christianity. William Luther Pierce is probably the man whose views most closely mirror mine.
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Sorry if this becomes a dup, but it is part of a comment that just won’t post.
We are the product of those women who got more genes into the future, and the most effective strategy for women to have gotten their genes into the future was to be impregnated by those men who were best at getting their own genes into the future. This is all subconscious genetic programming, of course. Those women whose genetic programming made them most attracted to such men would have gotten more of their genes into the future. Such men would have been not just whoever wins the fight, but would be whoever is wanted most by other women, whoever is the best rapist, etc. Likewise, women whose genetic programming made them attracted to those men who had easily recognizable proxies for such reproductive success would have gotten more of their genes into the future. Such proxies would be tallness, standing on a raised platform, etc. We are therefore the products of those women. We carry their genes.
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Being a very good husband was also an effective way for a man to get his genes into the future because women needed a husband desperately throughout human evolution, and they couldn’t all marry the alpha male. So to keep a man around they must actually love him or else he would not stay, and he would gain certain advantages by staying, such as more access to her body and more control over how his kids are raised. Advantages in this case means getting more of his genes into the future. Therefore, women whose genetic programming made them love their husbands would get more of their genes into the future. Whereas, there is no evolutionary incentive for a woman to love the alpha males, but she would still periodically feel an overwhelming desire to be impregnated by them.
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Being very good at the husband role was also an effective way for a man to get his genes into the future because women needed a husband desperately throughout human evolution, and they couldn’t all m@rry the alpha male. So to keep a man around they must actually love him or else he would not stay, and he would gain certain advantages by staying, such as more access to her body and more control over how his kids are raised. Advantages in this case means getting more of his genes into the future. Therefore, women whose genetic programming made them love their husbands would get more of their genes into the future. Whereas, there is no evolutionary incentive for a woman to love the alpha males, but she would still periodically feel an overwhelming desire to be impregnated by them.
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The roots of Western Civilization:
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding, she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in the faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.” (1 Timothy 2:11-15)
“Very rare for so numerous a population is adultery, the punishment for which is prompt, and in the husband’s power. Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and he flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband. No one in Germany laughs at vice, nor do they call it the fashion to corrupt and to be corrupted.” (Germania 19:3-6)
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LOL.
Welcome to the Chateau.
It’s a great mystery to tell you to the truth. Completely serious.
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FJ
Try re-writing a comment with a few minor changes. Often, that is all it takes for an instant pass thru. As always, mis-spel certain wurds – if uno wut I mean. And I would not worry so much about double posting. Worse things have happened.
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> “mis-spel certain wurds” ——— m@rriage, b!rth, b@beez, comm!tment, j00z, ph@ggottz, g*nz, r!flez, @mmunition, etc… Basically anything really important in this l!fe.
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That was it! I spelled it “m@rry” and it posted! I have never seen a political correctness filter before. Is that true of every WordPress site or just this one?
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I dunno man, but if I feel like if anything is even mildly un-PC, then I better think of a “l33t” spelling for it. BTW, ANYTHING involving 2nd Amendment sh!znat will get bounced. You can’t even post links to pictures of g*nz or r!flez if the pictures live on a server at a known FFL dealer.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=l33t
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Ims yu black like me? – AG
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All I heard was rape.
Whorefinder summoning word rape!
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I occasionally go the Northeast US. And there is this dynamic of the country club conservatives there that just grates me.
Where I come from in mixed gatherings the men and women folk separate to discuss the issues of the day. It is a bit old school. But, it makes for freer conversations.
I go to the Northeast and within 5 minutes of any closed circle man chat… some precocious teen or young lady shows up and starts playing debate pyromaniac. These little ingenues love to mix it up with the boys. And I always notice it’s the daughter or granddaughter of some senior patron of the club. And he is tickled pink his little girl can tie the men in logical knots.
And the reason why it grates me to no end (and why I think Trump just hates Megyn too)
– These little tarts love to get in your face like a man with fire and conviction
… but oh If you give it back to them with equal fire you are the “mean one” and daddy is gonna talk to you!
– These gals just love to give you both barrels from the comforting cuck blind of other beta men and if you respond the beta chumps all close ranks to protect the interloper on their “polite” conversation (er inquisition)
– And to the little harlot’s credit they all know when to peek over the cuck blind and snipe at you. They know just how far to push it to make seem like they are just innocent little girls innocently asking probing questions.
I am completely convinced that men in the Northeast NEVER have man to man conversations anymore. ALL their talk is with the overhang of polite (don’t offend the ladies) pussy footing.
So in basically a Cuckservative is a Man who has never talked as a man does EVER. Pretty sad really.
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Sounds pretty insightful. What would be the best antidote? Perhaps one could say, sorry but you have a conflict of interest. or sorry, but you just wouldn’t understand. Perhaps, one could say, anyone who wants to continue the conversation should come over here. Perhaps, they should have men only rooms or clubs. Why would anyone pay money to be in such an unproductive and unenjoyable environment?
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> “What would be the best antidote?” Truth speak plus a skin thicker than an elephant’s hide. Game her right there in front of the other guys – tease her about her imminent future changing cat litter boxes in an apartment filled with cupboards of cat food and cat hair all over the d@mned furniture. Then when the cuckservative white knight wrath is unleashed upon you, STAND YOUR GROUND. NEVER BACK DOWN IN A FIGHT.
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PRO-TIP: If the Cucks start to get violent, then Conce@led C@rry is your friend. Alternatively, look around the room and find the nearest chair you can grab [although clocking a dude with a chair will be difficult – maybe impossible – if the ceilings are only 8-feet high].
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We used to have men’s only clubs in the US. Feminism killed them too. They wage relentless war on all male spaces. I hope our Sulla crucifies a few blue hairs, especially the prominant ones.
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And when men tried to reclaim this via a simple meetup, women went apoplectic and cried to (((daddy)))
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Some women, my wife thought they were fucked up. This was a world wide attack. I read the same articles in several nation’s papers. It is to draw attention away from the refugee ethnic displacement crisis ongoing. The Sanhedrin is striking back. We Need to plan a Counter attack and reschedule.
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There are some fine fellows on here I’d like to meetup and share a frosty mug o-beer with. Some day.
Until then, make the most of the internet for what it’s worth.
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Me too Mendo, I was looking forwad to this meet up and had lpans to go to the local one here. We’ll do it again when the air clears. The SJWs have shot their wad and now the truth can come out.
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> “And he is tickled pink his little girl can tie the men in logical knots.” ——— PRO-TIP #2: Game her in a loud enough voice so that Daddy can clearly hear & judge the quality of your technique. Then he’ll be thinking to himself, “Hmmm, this one is different. He might just be son-in-law material…”
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PRO-TIP #3: Make her Dad feel like he’s got something invested in you: “So what are you gonna give your folks in the way of grandchildren – Maine Coons or Calico Orientals or just some old stray nappy-headed flea-ridden alley cats? You know they come with this stuff called Toxoplasma gondii, which turns your brain into swiss cheese. You’re folks’ll love watching you go senile quicker than they do…”
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It’s all because they haven’t seen a young snatch in 100 years and this is the only chance they get to even talk to one. Thus it is pedestalized. This is the single best reason to legalize Prostitution. I compete at work against this dynamic too. Most of us do.
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By allowing women their argument – the question will have already been decided in their favor.
Their argument is essentially “me woman make noise argument” and it has been won by simply allowing it.
That argument scales up into women in positions of power in the military and politics and school and wherever else in society, however much it is allowed.
Pretty much all it takes is one woman within a circle of men and it immediately changes it into a woman focused circle … at least that seems how it is now.
In times past i think that the men knew to ignore her. Now the men pay her mind because they have lost their way, as men. / hahaha
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Ang Amer, that’s just the Upper Class Princess deal. Girls raised in private prep schools who go to Smith or some Ivy where they are saturated in special-snowflake feminism. They are all Daddy’s Little Girl, too, a lot of time either an only child or one of two. Some of them are raised as surrogate sons, so they get to pretend they are one of the guys all their lives when they want to, and play the “girl card” when the game gets too rough. Spoiled little Disney princesses.
These are the people who screwed Rand Paul to get Romney nominated last time, and they were all ¡Jeb! fans but now are probably switch-hitting to Rubio. The aristocrats of America, they think they are.
So in basically a Cuckservative is a Man who has never talked as a man does EVER. Pretty sad really.
+1000
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I know one such upper class princess who fairly recently ‘dated’ a guy 50 years her senior.
Was it because he’s such an Alpha Shitlord with Tons of Game, you ask ?
No, it’s because he has way more money than just about everyone else here and the little girl is used to money.
That simple.
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The other huge un-mentionable here is Gl0b0-H0m0’s all-out drive to destroy K-Selection and replace it with R-Selection. In R-Selected Orientalistic cesspools, a handful of kleptocratic oligopolistic Big Men get all the womynzes, and all the shekels, and the rest of the men are just impovershed debt-ridden Cabana Boyz who sit around all day giving one another bl0w jobs & hand jobs & an@l.
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Not that intellectual consistency is their strong suit, but R-Selection & polygamy are completely at odds with traditional theories of femin@ziism. So Eskimo Psychiatry will need to unleash a tidal wave of polyamorous filth upon the culture, in order to move the old doctrinaire femin@zi battle axes out of their rigid insistence on monogamy and into an acceptance of polygamy. Whereas for the teens & the millenials, pushing the b!sexual angle probably helps to condition the malleable idiot shiksa s1uts into accepting the idea of living in a harem of sister wives.
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tldr; == K-Selection is a necessary biological pre-requisite before any possible sense of virtue or morality or nobility of purpose can flourish.
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If a man is shitlord enough and chooses well, he can be a polygamist without the special social conditioning. Most will accept it in the right man.
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But CD, it destroys the fabric of our culture & civilization. Goodness and decency simply cannot survive within a milieu of ubiquitous R-Selected biological filth.
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Yet you fawn over Trump’s family and have expressed similar desires yourself. I agree it is destructive if allowed too much free reign, but many men are not fit to reproduce and it is Alpha shitlords who invest in their families that produce the best results. It can’t be allowed officially but it could be tolerated and work quite well. It is consistent with nature as well as the Bible. This subject needs to be explored in greater depth.
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No, CD, I have fawned over the WH!TE CHILDREN. I am for Trump as a last ditch effort to save the WH!TE RACE from extinction. Trump is definitely an effective polygamist, and he might represent a move towards monarchy/dictatorship, but he seems to care about the Wh!te Race, and he seems to want to protect us from the muds & their Eskimo masters.
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Before we can do anything else, we must first secure the BIOLOGICAL SAFETY of the Wh!te Race from extinction at the hands of the Eskimos’ miscegenative agenda. Only after we have a solid military & diplomatic & geo-political & cultural foundation for the survival of Our Race can we then worry about whether there is sufficient virtue remaining in Our Race for us to continue as a Republic.
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Co, I suspect one of the rewards for the elect men who are to repopulate the globe after the shitstorm passes will be polygamy for that first Generation. I may be wrong but it is prophecy that there will be more women than men who survive in the end times. My guess will be 80% women.
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CO, you have talked a few times about having a harem and pumping out several White babies. This would be a good way to repopulate with quality genes. Look at the current Generation of male children of adult Age. Nary a man among them and full of willful ignorance to boot.
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CD, morally & spiritually & theoretically, I don’t want to get into the harem-making bidness. Without K-Selection, there is no Western Civilization. But if the Betas won’t man up, and grow a pair, and put some whyte bunz in whyte ovenz, then I guess we’ll have to do the dirty work for them.
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It is women who are doing this:
“Gl0b0-H0m0’s all-out drive to destroy K-Selection and replace it with R-Selection”
Many people don’t stop to consider the very important role of SONS for women. Indeed the only men who really matter in a woman’s life are her sons, in one of two ways: when they are pump-and-dump players they help spread HER genes as fast as possible, when they are loyal hard workers they give her a safe old age.
Up to some decades ago older women repressed the sexual instinct of their daughters and pushed them to m@rry and have sons from loyal hard worker men so that they would have safe old ages, at the price of having sex they found utterly revolting.
Because most women’s sexual instinct is to have sex and sons from pump-and-dump players, as her genes make her turned on only by them, because her genes favour r-selection. But having pump-and-dump player sons from pump-and-dump player lovers means they end up alone and poor in old age.
Because of pensions women now can have a safe old age without marrying loyal hard workers and having loyal hard working sons, and therefore instead of K-selecting loyal hard working husband, which makes them feel disgusted, they go for being pumped-and-dumped by as many players as they get banged by, either not having children at all, because of contraceptives, or having r-selected pump-and-dump player sons.
Men, Gl0b0-H0m0s or not, don’t drive reproductive choices women (and up to recently older women in particular) do that.
PS pensions were invented largely to ensure that mothers did not protest against wars and conscription, guaranteeing to them a safe old age even if their sons died fighting. This has had some perhaps unintended wider consequences.
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CO, the end game is free access to a pool of unsupervised children raised in orphanages with no identity or cultural underpinnings for their souls, made available for free sexual exploitation and sacrifice to Moloch. They want to formalize their child molestation pipeline known as the “Process” and make it state policy. This is the ultimate reason for breaking up the Family. All the interim stages are for the intellectual consumption of the useful idiots.
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“…For instance, female rape victims often go on to have consensual sex relationships with their rapists…”
Here in Canada there is an ongoing trial that reveals or exposes exactly that.
A semi famous tv/radio celebrity named Gomehshi is accused by multiple women of having been raped and roughed up by him. Apparently he would slap them around then tie them up and then “rape” them.
One of the accusers her last name is Decouture, turns out to have repeatdly sent emails and texts to him, inviting him to dinner at her place, even inviting him to have sex with her in a closet at some big event, she sent those invitations AFTER he supposedly raped her.
She kept on seeing him and inviting him, the emails and text are proof of that.
Women often do go on to have consensual sex with their supposed or alleged rapist/abuser ( especially if he is good looking and has high social status/money/fame ).
Women do that of their own free will. They go back for more of their own free will.
Not all women are like that but certainly more than half are.
There is a reason women like bad boys, why battered women keep going back to their abuser or once that relationship ends, in most case they end up with another man who roughs them up.
It is because most women seek that.
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> “It is because most women seek that.” ——— The Darkness grows in their hearts, and the Hamster becomes infected by an insatiable desire to be ravaged by ever greater “Alpha” ruthlessness. Meanwhile, with ab0rtifacients & ab0rtion in the equation, she suffers no immediate consequences from this suicidally animalistic behavior. Long term, of course, it completely destroys her, and only benefits the investors in cat food & cat litter corporations.
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her last name is Decouture
This is almost comically ironic.
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As I recall — although nothing has been proven and he’s not been convicted of anything — Gomehshi lost his job as a CBC radio host based on allegations of “rape!” from this woman (and others with similar dubious claims).
Of course, I suspect he was himself a SJW libtard so it’s hard to feel too much sympathy for him. But it’s still wrong how a man’s career can be ruined based on unproven accusations. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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I only read the abstract of the study, but “non-consensual” can be quite ambiguous – especially if its defined after the fact by people conducting the study. For example the women might think she has consented while the researchers think they didn’t because they use a different definition of consent.
That’s the problem with defining it as rape…
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“Belief that marriage is an equal sacrifice”
A little off-topic, but relevant to this point; this week we saw one of the most blatantly false narratives spread by the entire Western media I’ve ever seen, all based on the deliberate twisting of Roosh’s sarcastic article about how legalizing rape on private property would reduce rape.
Nevermind whether or not the article was done in good taste or even prudent considering how socially autistic SWJs (and most people) are today who were bound to take it literally. The larger point he was trying illustrate is that women have some culpability when they recklessly put themselves in situations that put them at high-risk of being attacked.
Roosh didn’t say this outright in the article I’m pretty sure, but implied is that women should associate with men based on that litmus test: if rape were legal on his property, would she still trust him not to harm her? Is he the type of man who would do the right thing even though the law allows him to do otherwise? If the answer is no, then don’t.
So what does this have to do with marriage?
Let’s put aside all the responsibilities and sacrifices a man makes in marriage as an inherent aspect of the arrangement.
That question above that a woman might ask of a man is purely a rhetorical exercise, but it’s one which a man has to ask himself in full seriousness when contemplating marriage with any woman regardless of her character. Will she divorce me and take me for everything I’ve got or will she do the right thing and keep her vows?
The reason is because the laws, courts, society, and culture have created a situation where a wife can commit the equivalent crime against her husband. And it is not only legal, but it is encouraged and promoted by almost everyone.
Just as rape robs a woman of her dignity as a human being and her identity as a woman, taking a man’s house, property, wealth, savings, and children deprives a him of his dignity and identity as a man. The difference is one is completely illegal and looked down upon by even hardened criminals, while the other is perfectly legal and celebrated in films, books, and the culture at large.
Marriage is never an equal sacrifice, but right now the sacrifices have never been more lopsided against the man. To paraphrase the old knight from the Last Crusade, if you must choose, choose wisely.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-05/nwo-revisited
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Fox News is an excellent example of this Tradcon/Feminist phenomenon in action. There you have dozens of beta males (at best) constantly fawning over female presenters who would not have talked to them in high school, and slavishly going along with the pretense that these millennial girls fresh out of the sorority house were hired for their brains instead of their legs.
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“…. these millennial girls fresh out of the sorority house were hired for their brains instead of their legs.”
Word of the day is “legs” ! Spread the word!
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‘nuddah reason to watch Univision or Telemundo.
Their news chicks were very obviously NOT hired for their brains, and boy, are they proud of it.
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You have to appreciate Hispanic honesty about these things. Its one reason I can get along with them.
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Tradcons aren’t that bad, they have a sense of morality that isn’t possible in Occupied Territories. The concept of virginal brides and monogamy is in fact a much more stable and civilized model than your game and hypergamy. Your game is more successful because society has decayed to a morass of sewage due to the ascendancy of the rat race.
Make no mistake, monogamy is far more satisfying to the inner hamster than rape fantasies and Chateau Heartiste S&M training of the whores. However, feminist commie guerrillas have blown that up with Fractured Fairy Tales like “Pretty Woman”. That film is a favorite of crazy bitches with tattoos and a million miles on their dried up pussies.
The idea that some fucking streetwalker can land a millionaire because she has a heart of gold is PURE UNDISTILLED EVIL. Satan must have formulated that Fairy Tale by torturing real fairies with Freudian Sex Fantasies. The fact these crazy bitches eat that shit up and actually love the crazy shows why women should have as few choices as possible.
In the Real World, you should lock up your daughters. If she falls in Love with wrongo pongo, you should get your pals and introduce him to my friend Old Man River. This female choice shit is just wrong all day. You wouldn’t even be living this Hell if not for Eve making bad choices and bringing Adam along for the ride. Those bitches will take you down the Garden Path to ruin.
Do yourself a favor and never fall in Love. In the Game of Love, the one that cares the least wins. If you want a woman, tell her My Way or The Highway. That bitch will make the wrong choice every time if she makes a choice at all. If you ever saw a crazy bitch at Baskin Robbins trying every flavor for half an hour and then ordering chocolate, you cannot be a feminist.
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I re read Gaius Marius’ acceptance speech to the people after his election to the consulship prior to the Jugurthan war. It is in Sallust’s history of that war and is one of the finest speeches ever spoken and given off the cuff as well. I have decided that Trump will be our Marius if elected. That is a very good thing.
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Fine speech, but Marius’ seven consulships were the beginning of the end of the Roman Republic. He basically legitimized dictatorship, and set the model for Sulla and Caesar. And while the late republic was certainly as corrupt and decadent as our current oligarchy, devaluing the privileges and responsibilities of citizenship by extending a diluted franchise to non-Romans led directly to the very thing the Roman constitution was designed to avoid- monarchy. Sound familiar?
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??? Do you see yourself in this list of 19 ??? https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/carl/talbot
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No.That’s not where it comes from. Google “John Norman”, if he hasn’t been blacklisted. Wouldn’t be the first time.
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Yes, this is true, but he was the consequence of a far greater malaise, the latifundia system which allowed him to create his army of dispossessed land owners. We are experiencing a similar form of fraud today in our own Republic. The Republic was doomed with the assassination of the Grachii. Blame the venal Senators and Knights for the demise of the Republic. Reform of the Latifundia System was the real reason they killed Julius Caesar as well. Sulla was Marius’ lieutenant in the Jugurthan Wars and he promoted him to a position where he could become dictator.
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You act as if this republic can still be saved. I don’t think so. We are destined for a dictatorship whether we like it or not. I personally welcome a Sulla. I have learned you have more freedom in a dictatorship than in a corporate controlled oligarchy masquerading as a republic. We no longer have the educated population to have an effective republic. Even our educated have been miseducated to such a degree that they are a threat to democracy. We would still require a limited franchise.
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The beginning of the end of the American Republic was Wilson and the progressive amendments. It is fair to ask if we even have a republic anymore.
We don’t need reforms, we don’t need a strong man. We need the all-consuming fire, and a phoenix.
Focus on kindling the fire, not promoting the secular savior. God gave Noah the rainbow sign / No more water but the fire next time.
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@CD “We are destined for a dictatorship whether we like it or not”
what might a dictatorship look like in a massive country the size and population of the US? are you thinking a human-faced dictatorship like Mao, or some sort of surveillance-state techno-dictatorship like in 1984? what if that dictatorship requires that everyone is chipped with a GPS tracker? ugh…
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I’m thinking a strong man kind of the Pinochet variety. We are headed for the second kind already, which is born of a people who despise you. The Pinochet will hopefully prevent that and focus on the Marxists, killing them in the public square and making examples of them.
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But essentially, Matt is correct. We are going to ride this wave through the Apocolypse and our next rulers will literally be a dictatorship council then a king.
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thanks CD. very well-thought-out reply, as always
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“what if that dictatorship requires that everyone is chipped with a GPS tracker? ugh…”
Come no Plumps… Apple has ensured everyone will buy their own GPS tracker…
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You just gotta accept it for what it is. It happens here. It’s happened to every commenter, new and old. It’s a feature, not a bug.
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Both tradcons and feminists publicly deny the reality of female sexuality. The tradcons do it because betas and gammas are afraid of looking too closely at women. The feminists deny it because they are women.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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On a mostly unrelated note . . .
A few of what probably I could consider “tradcon” politicians are trying to make noise about better regulating pornography and keeping it out of the hands of kids.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/utah-legislators-back-plan-to-declare-porn-a-health-crisis/2016/02/05/6ff2ca76-cc6c-11e5-b9ab-26591104bb19_story.html
I think it’s a worthy goal, but I don’t think the tradcons are savvy enough to make the necessary points about the negative consequences of the porn-saturated media soup we’re swimming in; they will be crushed as Jesus-freak prudes by the Eskimos et al.
After all, Roosh’s neo-masculinity meet-up is an existential threat to humanity, whereas inter-racial cuckold porn is “free speech” that must be protected at all costs.
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Aaaaand coming soon in 2017: “A few of what probably I could consider “tradcon” politicians are trying to make noise about better regulating the manosphere and keeping it out of the hands of kids.”
Careful what road you start to travel down. You might not like what you find there.
If something is bad, people in a free country don’t need Mommy Government to keep them from it. They should decide themselves.
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Our right wing is corrupted and has to be destroyed rather than be reformed. What have conservatives conserved here? Nothing, ever since Boomer fathers, fat and rich off America’s postwar ease, let their daughters go slut it up with dirty hippies and ugly eskimos at college. All the rhetoric out of conservatives these days is about protecting and respecting women who don’t deserve it.
It’s the downstream effect of the mass pedestalization of women during the Victorian era, a cultural shift that also led to suffrage. Women were maneuvered into the position of superior virtue, contrary to classical wisdom which held that men possessed superior virtue. (The word for virtue, in Latin, referred to masculinity itself.)
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Religious people used to know very well how depraved females were, and they’d marry them off about 15. Then feminism corrupted Christianity, with help from birth control and co-education.
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Todd Palin: Wife wears the pants, daughter is a slut on steroids. Yet he’s a “traditionalist” why? Because he hunts?
I’ve seen many like him in suburbia and it’s not pretty.
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Mixed messages, erosion of principles,not being realistic about female sexuality and being told you must let them roam free for their own sake.
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tradcucks and feminists are the main political opponents of MGTOW
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This is just a test of the political correctness filter. These words must be spelled thus way:
[CH: please stop littering the comment section with your “mod tests”. if your comment gets modded it’s b/c it got temporarily flagged by the spam filter as containing part of another word that is intentionally filtered. a growing list of names are captured in mod because CH has a strict policy against allowing the doxing of anyone on here. there are weirdos who try to dox strangers on here, or dox their lovers, or their ex-husbands, or whomever. that’s not tolerated, so the names are filtered as spam.]
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Get rid of this boring cuck.
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Uber-rich cultural-Marxist Mark Zuckerberg is against voter ID laws. Of course.
Zuckerberg’s company, Facebook, requires users to submit government-issued photo ID when their accounts are “flagged” for review.
I don’t use FB but my father apparently has an account that he infrequently uses (I guess he uses it for grandkid pics from my siblings or something). He asked me to help figure out why he couldn’t log in, and it turns out his account is locked and he’s required to submit copies of a government ID to regain access.
Oh, the irony. We gotta make damn sure there is no “Facebook fraud” going on, but voter fraud, meh, what’s the problem — can’t you just trust people to be who they say they are?
Apparently this has been going on for some time:
http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/29/facebook-asking-locked-users-provide-government-id/
I told my Dad that I couldn’t help him and that I don’t recommend he submit any government ID to “Jewberg” and his friends at Facebook. My Dad agreed with that, at least.
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Zuckersperg is one of the top 5 most dangerous men alive…
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The “trad cons” are really Poz’d up Christians. My Christian military caste ancestors heeded the Old Testament, just as Jesus commands. You would actually call a slut a “Jezebel” back in the day. The Old Testament is chock full of femme fatale’s (Eve, Delilah, Bathsheba, etc.).
The Tower of Babel could not be more eerily “on point” in its opposition to multi-culturalism and technological hubris. I have no idea how any Jew or Christian could support immigration of alien cultures. Also, a bronze age San Francisco (Sodom) is wiped off the planet by God’s wrath. Golden Calf decadence gets smote (see the scene in The 10 Commandments when they feel Charlton Heston’s vengeance).
The Old Testament is really a purpose-built anti-Poz weapon. The Old Testament was written by pissed off Jews (with divine help) during the “Babylonian Captivity.” Babylon was a Poz empire of old, with feminism, multi-culturalism, decadence, etc. Also, there were competing Poz pagan religions “Cult of Baal.” Other than hard core Southern Baptists, the Old Testament has gotten short shift (even by leftist Jews who favor “Tikkun Olam”).
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Reading it now. God has 25,000 of the Israelites slaughtered for cavorting with the Moabite women and sacrificing to Baal and eating the sacrifice. They leave out the part that the sacrifice as a human child, his greatest sin and a big problem to be overcome in all of the local pagan cultures. This is why the gentiles lives in the OT are worth shit, because God is trying to create a core group of believers to serve as a foundation from which to spread his message to the rest of humanity to counter the false religions of Semjaza and the fallen angels later known as Lucifer and Satan. This is in Numbers. God is very alpha, like R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket alpha. He is trying to break them down and build them back up in the correct way. he ALWAYS TAILORS HIS MESSAGE TO THE AUDIENCE:
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The Old Testament was already written 3,500 years ago. You are referring to the Babylonian Talmud, which was written by the pissed off Sanhedrin over many decades while in Exile. The Talmud is the anti-New Testament.
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Hadn’t thought of it that way, though it does ring true.
Full Metal Jacket analogy is apt.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435317/Tried-sex-crime-brushed-past-film-star-rush-hour.html
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Saw that too. Imagine if the cameras weren’t set just right to absolve him. Imagine insane female judge 8-15 years from now adjudicating that case?
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Anyone know why Roosh backed down to bat-wielding fems?
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Ok, read the Wapo story but we have to confront these people, not run away from them.
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Because a lot of people would get in trouble if it became a brawl to enforce rape and that is how it would be presented at your HR department hearing. We were never going to win that debate and that is why they framed it that way. It was a tactical withdrawal.
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One of my best mates is a rusted-on tradcon. True to CH’s post, he’s a realtalker on every subject except seduction and dating.
He also thinks most other men are morons.
It’s not hard to fathom though. Most dyed-in-the-wool tradcons are married and middle-aged. They haven’t practised the crimson arts for two, three, four or more decades. They have less than zero idea about what the sex/dating scene has become.
I think if they’d had more exposure to that arena they’d think differently – because for the most part, most tradcons I’ve met have been realists and largely honest people, in a way that feminists aren’t.
Australia had a tradcon prime minister up until this year (Tony Abbott). He lasted about 3 seconds in the job. He was shat on from a great height by pretty much the entire MSM except for three or four tradcon journos.
Even when he came up with very women-friendly proposals – like a massive paid parental leave entitlement for working mothers – he was shat on by the left as an old fuddy duddy.
Tradcons are like an athlete who ignores all the rule changes in their sport from the past forty years. They’re playing in knit sweaters with wooden racquets, against Novak Djokovic. And they wonder why they’re getting the sh it beaten out of them.
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> “They haven’t practised the crimson arts for two, three, four or more decades. They have less than zero idea about what the sex/dating scene has become.” ——— This. They missed the last two decades of staggering filth which the Eskimo Psychiatrists dumped on the culture, beginning with “Seinfeld”, and then especially with “Friends” in 1994. And if they’re all lovey-dovey with their wives, then they probably haven’t even seen miscegenation pr0n on teh innertubz.
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“He was shat on by the entire MSM.” MSM has replaced Eskimo now? He could have Made Australia Great Again, as it was thanks to the greatest policy – WHITE AUSTRALIA. But the same MSM pols who wrecked that policy destroyed the man who was going to empower the race that Made Australia Great in the first place. Prepare for more Ozzie tax dollars to go to Abbos to stop sniffing glue and
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¡Jeb! Is getting AMOGed by Trump again lolololololololo
I love it
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“Shhhhh”….lol
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What the hell, CH, no debate coverage tonight?!
*Rubio is getting OWNED by Christie.
*Trump is 100% correct that the crowd is packed with donors and special interests. Love it when he smacks down Bush.
* I cannot believe that Kasich is polling tied for 2nd place in NH. What are they smoking in NH? Are they the old “compassionate conservatives”?
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TRUMP counter punching very well… despite the effort to take away his mic…
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http://i3.cpcache.com/product/1670388049/jeb_bush_low_energy_drink_button.jpg?height=225&width=225
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Mary Ham… what say you all? I count as a 6 IRL, false 7 made up. Buyer beware!
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From that photo, a 6 or 7, easy. But, as you say, photos are not reality.
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Always a fan of the DSL’s…
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Who is “Mary Ham”, and why is she wearing an NCCU class of 1985 jersey? That would make her in her 50s, whomever she is. Also, NCCU is a UNCF “a mind be turrible thing to waste” j00niversity. So she’s a post-menopausal mudshark?
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Proof that Trump was correct: “The GOP debates have become like Super Bowl parties for top donors. Major contributors are jetting in to attend the Republican events, eager to take part in spectacle.”
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/the-gop-debates-have-become-like-super-bowl-partie/np8yr/
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“Belief that marriage is an equal sacrifice”
A little off-topic, but relevant to this point; this week we saw one of the most blatantly false narratives spread by the entire Western media I’ve ever seen, all based on the deliberate twisting of Roosh’s sarcastic article about how legalizing rape on private property would reduce rape.
Nevermind whether or not the article was done in good taste or even prudent considering how socially autistic SWJs (and most people) are today who were bound to take it literally. The larger point he was trying illustrate is that women have some culpability when they recklessly put themselves in situations that put them at high-risk of being attacked.
Roosh didn’t say this outright in the article I’m pretty sure, but implied is that women should associate with men based on that litmus test: if rape were legal on his property, would she still trust him not to harm her? Is he the type of man who would do the right thing even though the law allows him to do otherwise? If the answer is no, then don’t.
So what does this have to do with marriage?
Let’s put aside all the responsibilities and sacrifices a man makes in marriage as an inherent aspect of the arrangement.
That question above that a woman might ask of a man is purely a rhetorical exercise, but it’s one which a man has to ask himself in full seriousness when contemplating marriage with any woman regardless of her character. Will she divorce me and take me for everything I’ve got or will she do the right thing and keep her vows?
The reason is because the laws, courts, society, and culture have created a situation where a wife can commit the equivalent crime against her husband. And it is not only legal, but it is encouraged and promoted by almost everyone.
Just as rape robs a woman of her dignity as a human being and her identity as a woman, taking a man’s house, property, wealth, savings, and children deprives a him of his dignity and identity as a man. The difference is one is completely illegal and looked down upon by even hardened criminals, while the other is perfectly legal and celebrated in films, books, and the culture at large.
Marriage is never an equal sacrifice, but right now the sacrifices have never been more lopsided against the man. To paraphrase the old knight from the Last Crusade, if you must choose, choose wisely.
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Someone here was going to concur to RoK international meeting until it was cancelled??
I have been lucky. I have contacted a guy in my province who is half redpilled, he isn’t racist and “machist” but I am the emperor, I will bring his hate at the same time that his loyalty to our cause. And we are going to be wingmans. After all we are only redpilled in more levels others than PUA.
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The factor that I see tradcons ignore while discussing sex and marriage is age. They view everything through the prism of “getting married vs not getting married” and not distinguishing between young marriage(which actual tradcon society’s do)and marrying a 30 year old woman with a high notch count.
This also leads them to believe that the average man can find a wife. Yes, the average man can manage a chubby post-wall carousel rider or perhaps a single mother. I rarely see these people discussing actual solutions for bringing back marriage, their only solution is directing shaming at men.
Another mistake they make is directing all this hate at PUA/manosphere guys like Roosh(1% of the cad population)yet never utter a complaint about the men with actual social status doing 99% of the premarital banging. Because hating on the manosphere is the safe and easy way to vent their frustration. Don’t like Roosh having sex with white women? Funny, I have never seen a single mention of the thousands of black division 1 college athletes with unlimited access to primo 19 year old students.
As soon as the tradcons are ready to tackle the real issues, then we can talk about Roosh.
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I hope for the sake of blacks that this isn’t true. The revenge will be terrible
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Quality post heartiste. My recent reveleation is that stress in all its forms(shame, pain, exercise) has a distinct effect on women than men. During exercise(which is generally similar to any stress response as far as Ive been able to deduce) cortisol, adrenaline, noradrenaline and testosterone are produced. Womens response to stress is so so very different from mens. Women actually stop thinking rationally and can emotionally justisfy whatever. They also become turned on(likely from the test created in adrenals), so taking a girl to a slasher movie, or in a fast car are a good move for sex. They also demonstrate more empathy, which explains the stockholm syndrome and why women continue to date guys who have just raped them (and wont date guys who fail at raping them). Of course this is all blasphemy for both tradcons, and feminists. The red pill is a bitter one.
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G0d created women to endure the infinite pain of childbirth, accompanied by the exquisite release of the endorphins. In the old days, before abortifacients, having 10 or `15 live births was G0d’s natural and proper BDSM ecstasy for the females of the species.
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Ya posted Roosh’s press conference at RM
YaReally
February 6th, 2016 at 5:15 pm
IT’S HABBENING!!
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlBaYMpoxL
The cringe…oh god the cringe.
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http://voxday.blogspot.com.es/2016/02/rooshs-press-conference.html?m=1
Roosh: “What happened in Cologne on New Years Eve? What happened in Cologne? Who can tell me what happened there?”
Media: silence
Roosh: “When a real rape happens, that goes against the agenda of your boss, you guys hide it.”
Media: silence
Roosh: “Not only are you guys not honest… when real harm takes place, you guys don’t say anything. And that is not fair. That is not right.”
I don’t like iranians but this time I’ll do a exception
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If that is what Roosh said, he nailed it. Pulled a Trump.
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I wish these things weren’t on periscope. Too many apps
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Able to watch it on Safari. For all he’s been through, that’s some strong composure.
He’s definitely channeling his inner Trump
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Ah, good talk with the Pops and a reminder of the good book:
Joseph suffered the first false rape accusation thanks to Potiphar.
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There’s another similarity between Tradcons and fems.
Affirmative consent IS back door ball-and-chain-ism.
They are, in reality, an attempt to get men to ‘buy the cow’ in an age of overflowing free milk.
The strategy?
Give the milk away.
Then use affirmative consent laws to threaten to lie and tell the police that the milk was stolen unless he buys the cow.
Yes, indeed. Fems and Tradcons are on exactly the same page.
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Imagine that, you pretty much need a contract. It’s kinda like the quick marriages that Muslims use with prostitutes. Marry her, fuck her, divorce her… Oh the sweet irony.
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Interesingly, this seem to be a counter strategy.
Rather than dodge commitment, like we do here in the West, the muzzies have, evidently, developed a way to render the act of commitment into meaningless defacto hookup.
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Dude , just post and quit worrying about mod prison.
The whorefinder has been there more than the Monopoly guy.but you can bet he screams rape about the situation.
Damn you mod bitces rape !
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The mod passer-through only takes yeggs what’s been to college.
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“All I heard was rape. ”
” Whorefinder summoning word rape! ”
SAY IT AND HE SHALL APPEAR..
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schrew trump dude..
cant u b president..
i cn b you wi-fi!! 8
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Proper way to beat an immigrant’s (rapefugee’s) ass…in Italy.
Hilarious!
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But look at these rapefugee “Out of Africa” apes running free on French streets. A public health menace.
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Interesting story
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/world/asia/wanted-in-china-more-male-teachers-to-make-boys-men.html?_r=0
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Yes, and Japan is cracking down on humanities and social sciences. It appears that jews, (judging by the media that is reporting this), are watching this, and they don’t like it.
http://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2015/sep/25/japans-humanities-chop-sends-shivers-down-academic-spines
I think that East Asia does not believe the West’s ideology of self-destruction.
These days East Asian students are out performing western students. according to PISA surveys, which wasn’t the case in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment
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Off topic (but very much inside the topic all the same). You guys may find this useful: http://theshitlordhub.blogspot.co.uk/. This is an Alt Right aggregator I set up the other day: SHITLORD HUB. Chateau Heartiste is there as well, among over 100 other Alt Right blogs and sites. Check it, bookmark it, spread the word.
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One implication of all this that has long bothered me, though, is that if men’s high sex drive is an understandable excuse for them not being able to control themselves, it seems strange to give an expectation that women with high sex drives should be able to control themselves, or to give negative moral weight to them not doing so. Mind you, regardless, such women’s behavior makes them unattractive for long-term commitment, but there still seems to be a disconnect I have never had satisfactorily resolved…
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Well then you haven’t been paying attention.
tl;dr; version: sperm cheap, eggs dear
Women control the destiny of their people by being the only ones who can bear children… in order to do so with a modicum of success, they need to behave in a nurturing manner, both to raise kids properly and to hold onto a man who will provide well for the family.
This is why, when women slut around, it’s far worse… and that’s not even taking into consideration the behavior that will cause diseases and psychological damage.
DUH!
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Which is the more damaging and easily infectious disease of all
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TB, your problem is that you are still operating with an egalitarian and perhaps even feminist mindset. You think that men and women are basically “the same” and need to be held to the same standards, and that it is “wrong” to treat them differently just because of their sex rather than as individuals under purely universal standards. You need to get your haid right.
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White men are monogamous and that monogamy is the reason we engage in high-trust cooperation in a way no other race does, which is the reason we took over the world. Not our IQ, our high trust cooperation.
Monogamy facilitates cooperation because it removes men from the sexual marketplace. Then they build each other up because being near powerful men is good for your children. Under polygamy, men would tear each other down because being the strongest man in the area means you can have more children.
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P, everything you say about K-Selection is true, but what’s more [and it’s hinted at in your “high-trust cooperation”] is that under K-Selection, you get very broad, very flat bell curves of measurable indices of human behavior [IQ, mental stability, patience, foresight, etc], whereas under R-Selection, the gene pool becomes so badly poisoned by the incestuousness from Big Man’s seed predominant that the bell curves quickly degenerate into very ugly sharply average normalcies with almost no outliers. At which point you can kiss things like “creativity” the he11 goodbye.
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To be fair, the red pill can be really bitter even if it’s absolutely true. When you see the hamster stripped of all its armor, this nibbling black-eyed rodent, doesn’t it make it hard (at least at times) to think women worth respecting, worth saving? Ramzpaul took issue with Andrew Anglin for this reason I believe. Too much truth is unbearable. From Chivalry to nihilism is a slippery slope. Maybe we need just a little NAWALT fantasy in our lives.
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That’s because many race realists have trivial experience with women because this type is overrepresented in the number of comments they post online. Some most likely edge being virgins.
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Sometimes the overrepresentation is due to the amount of shills, dweebs, JIDF stooges, and the like who need a good ol’ fashioned Cyberian ass-whuppin’… not so much to dissuade them of their inanities, but more to give heart to the by-standers who haven’t yet learned how to handle Cathedral agitprop and snark.
Take, fer instance, in your case: an alleged red-piller who often makes the right noises, and even occasionally says “n1gger”… but who invariably resorts to Cathedralese shaming of the “can’t get laid” variety, when your own ox is gored, namely, any RealTalk about the Sanhedrin and their machinations.
If you wanna be red-pill, be red-pill… but knock off the tired attempts of Cathedralese shaming at least.
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My understanding of English is rather good, i would say. Even though i am a Dutchman. What the heck is this article all about ? If they start using lingo like that, it is a sign they have to hide the fact that they themselves haven’t got a clue. Just like many philosophers !! Fuck feminists before it’s too late. Just google blavatski if you need a “perfect female rolemodel” Where do you think Hitler got it from, and why feminists are stormtroopers of NWO kabal ?
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Heartiste is much closer to St. Paul’s thought than tradcons are capable of understanding.
I’m not sure who Heartiste is, but there are days I think he might be Richard Spencer who makes similar observations about tradcons:
“Republicans are disgusting freaks who think it’s great if women fight wars. These are the most un-traditionalist people on earth.”
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I love this site. The reference to Germania by Tacticus has opened up another world to me.
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The race pill isn’t neccessarily a gateway to the sex pill or vice verse; look at how many MGTOW nerds support open borders or engage in cuckservative “race differences exist but don’t really matter”-type thinking.
I don’t know.
Maybe people can only handle so much nuance before they fall back into blank slatist bullshit.
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At the risk of being called a perv, I hardly think giving your wife/gf a facial constitutes”depravity.”
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I used to be brainwashed tradcon. I am still a conservative, but my knowledge of game has caused butting heads.
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this guy i just wanted to share, seemed almost like it had to be satire
pic.twitter.com/fZZO3P0FyM
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oops here he is
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