Does anti-Gentilism or pro-Globalism primarily motivate diaspora Jewish Leftism? Submitted for your consideration, two insightful comments, the first arguing for the former explanation and the second for the latter explanation.
(This is a WHITE hot topic. Please keep your comments smart and funny, not boring and repetitive. Yeah, that’s right, I’m looking at you 👉.)
Arguing the anti-Gentilism case, reader Name Redacted writes from his personal experience,
Having been raised a Catholic who married into a Jewish family and lived among the Tribe for a decade or so, I think I am uniquely qualified to address this issue.
Jews in the U.S. support left-wing causes not for the causes themselves, but because they see those causes as a way to stick it to the Christian majority. I don’t think most of them do this consciously. But a lot of them equate “white America” with “oppression” and “conformity” and believe the patriarchal white majority is something that needs to be usurped.
This explains why Jews were the architects of feminism and the backers of the ’60s Civil Rights Movement. What better way to screw up Christian families and majority-Christian neighborhoods? This also explains a lot [about] 20th century art. Jews don’t create to entertain so much as “break boundaries” — boundaries which, of course, were put there by Christian morality.
This also explains why different rules apply when it comes to Jews and Israel vs. Jews and America. “Open borders for thee, but not for me!”
This way of thinking is so ingrained in Jewish families, I’m not sure they’re even conscious of it. But once you start realizing this is what they’re up to, a lot of things take on a more sinister tone, such as their obsession with calling out so-called Christian hypocrisy.
This includes everything from Paul Simon’s snide “Jesus loves you” lines in “Mrs. Robinson” to Billy Joel’s anti-Catholic “Only the Good Die Young” to the trashy “Two and a Half Men” airing in prime time to countless Hollywood films that trash Middle American values. I’d give examples of the last of these, but generally avoid mainstream movies. [ed: “American Beauty” is a subversively vile representative of the genre.]
Then there are the scads of Jewish “sexperts,” and the people of the porn industry, all of whom want to “liberate” your daughters from the “oppression” of the very Christian values that made this country work to begin with.
Put it all together, and basically it comes down to “how can we destroy the Christians of America?”. Christians — or people who just think Christianity is what helped make America — should think about this before consuming any Jewish art — from books to CDs to movies to porn. You’re essentially paying for the demise of society by buying it — or buying into it.
One thing I’ve seen a lot more of recently is open Jewish-American hostility to “nativists”. I can only guess that a lengthy time in power has fractured the filters that used to massage this kind of anti-White rhetoric into something more palatable to a wide audience.
Arguing for the more benign, less overtly antagonistic pro-Globalism (aka pro-Rootless Cosmopolitanism, pro-“one happy family”) explanation is a reader who wishes to remain anonymous.
Really interesting posts re: Jews and Leftism. Lots to think about, and I think you’re on target or close in several areas. There are a couple more things worth thinking about, because they either pertain to the alt-Right or serve as food for thought.
I think The Man Who Was isn’t entirely wrong, but the answer to the “why” here goes into history and psych in other ways. It has a lot to do with a Jewish split in the modern era, where a significant chunk of Jews became very attracted to the 2 great poles of modernity: Britain/ the USA, and Marxism/Soviet Union. Both, in their own ways, promised them the same thing:
“You can be one of us/ ‘normal’ here.”
Obviously, the ironies abound in both cases. But that was the lure, and it was a doozy.
It’s a whole book to explain how that spun out, and I don’t think it has been done. But the route through The Cathedral becomes pretty obvious when those are your 2 magnetic poles. And in psych terms, if that promise meant a LOT to you, but you were always worried about it turning out to be a mirage… what might one predict as traits, allegiances, and then the follow-on effects of traits and allegiances compounding? [ed: a genetic, innate neuroticism would exacerbate any worries about “fitting in”, possibly driving those worries to a pathological (self-harming) degree of expression.]
In Israel, you will still hear an echoing longing to be a ‘normal’ country among the Left. You can likewise imagine where this leads in r/K terms.
The irony that the actions produced by one’s fears and perceived lacks will end up conjuring the very things one fears in the end (hellooo every beta!)… well, humans are smart but that rarely means rational.
I’ll finish with a triggering thought: the alt-Right’s relationship to The Cathedral has a ton of things in common with the Jewish situation during the Middle Ages.
Which means a dispassionate analysis of Jewish history, options, and decisions (good/ stupid/ otherwise) would actually be very productive for its thinkers. Yeah, I know, the Jamaican bobsled team is more likely to win Olympic Gold. Still…
DEMOGRAPHIC REPLACEMENT – OF THE JEWISH “MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE”
The real answer to Ponce’s “who are the seculars” question is:
Maybe you know some Christians that only go to Church once a year, if that, and who would have 50/50 odds that they could correctly recite a prayer if their life depended on it? It’s a lot like that.
There are Consequences.
Unsurprisingly, Jewish intermarriage outside the religion within the American secular/”Reform” community approaches 70%. Yes, there’s much hand-wringing. But objectively, why not 70%? Jews who don’t really believe in Judaism marry Christians who don’t really believe in Christianity. The Cathedral is their real mutual religion, and religion it is. Few stay Jewish. If they do, they’re in the Cathedralized sectors of Judaism (esp. “Reform”).
Note that for Reform/secular Jews in America, I think fertility is about 1.8. That, plus intermarriage, is Chekov’s Gun.
Intermarriage is much lower among the Orthodox, and families north of 5 kids are common and expected. Indeed, there are special community institutions designed to make this affordable – which the alt-Right should research to copy. Low intermarriage. Early marriage (indeed, some are still arranged marriages), and the requirement of a religious divorce alongside the civil (you can’t remarry within the Orthodox without a “Get”), tends to lock both men and women down. Women marry early and have kid after kid during their fertile period. They exit the other end well past The Wall. Men are faced with 5+ kids at 40, imagine the child support costs.
It takes about 3 generations for a 90/10 population ratio with these kinds of contrasts to make the 10% a majority – and the leap to majority status isn’t linear. Within the American Jewish community, that 3rd generation is just being born.
Demography is destiny.
DO WE NEED A HEBREW WORD FOR ‘SHITLORD’?
Israel may be different, but only because the Orthodox there are shifting the whole population to be more religious and have more kids of their own. Israel is moving in the opposite direction to most Western countries, and you’d expect that result when a culturally cohesive group with a program like that can be a much bigger slice of the national culture (still only 15-18% – THIS generation).
It’s fascinating to watch.
Liberal Jews are openly nervous, in an era when those Jews who have bowed down to Leftism must pledge hostility to Jewish expression as part of the bargain. Secular/Reform Jews would often rather dialogue with Muslim terrorists than the Orthodox. Which of course. Rabbits gonna rabbit.
You may start to notice unflattering portrayals of Jewish Orthodox, starting recently with kerfuffles about them not wanting to sit next to women on airlines. I expect that to ramp up. And guess who is super-visible and will be targeted first by the Mideast Die-versity mainstream Judaism has shepherded in?
I know you aren’t exactly friendly to Jews. [ed: this is not true in practice. only in the abstract, where ideas about the national question get tossed around] And I get why. Many have betrayed the only non-Jewish civilization that offered them any real hope. That they betrayed their G-d and religion first doesn’t soften the blow much.
All I’ll say is, imagine a group who takes religion seriously, has a tested program that controls hypergamy, has a raw grudge to nurse with Leftism, and believes in various shadings of separation in place. Imagine that such a group becomes the default concept of “Jew” within 20 years.
It’s easy if you try.
Now, the allegiances of that group – and their situation – those are big TBDs. I really wonder if Neoreaction’s Plan (per free Northerner) might work well with this set, when the time comes. And there might be some clever ways to plant that seed now, while strengthening the alt-Right’s program.
Well, let’s face it — a secular Jew will be a lot more fun at a party than an Orthodox Jew. But, to depart from my poolside location for a moment, a nation is more than the sum of its parties.
Here’s a question I have for any geneticists lurking: Are Orthodox and Secular/Reform Jews from different gene pools? That is, do the Orthodox in America (and Israel) hail from different regions than the regions secular Jews left behind for America (and Israel)? I suspect that the differences between the two groups go deeper than religious/cultural preferences.
This gets to my contention that more than cultural experience is at work in the Jewish predilection for open borders leftism and their knee-jerk hatred for even the most innocuous expressions of nationalist populism (e.g., keeping out rapefugees, building a wall). If, as I have theorized, secular American Jews have inherited and brought with them to their new lands a suite of personality traits — the Tikkun Olam Triad — that predisposes them to radical anti-Gentilism and/or pro-Globalism, then this would partly explain the noted observation that Israeli Orthodox Jews aren’t nearly as Left Wing as their secular Jewish-American cousins.
Because, in fact, they may be more like third cousins than brothers.
Anyhow, at the end of the day American Jews (and as the disproportionately influential gatekeepers of the media megaphone, it’s right to address them separately from the garden variety shitlib Gentile) are going to have to come to terms with the reality that opening America’s borders to the world’s wretched refuse (and vehemently chiding those who fight back against their demographic dispossession) will, inevitably, make America more wretched and full of refuse: a much less livable, lovable place that no one, not even rootless cosmopolitans, will want to call home.
You can read this post as a sincere appeal to common sense. To noblesse oblige instead of noblesse malice. Let’s hope there’s enough of that magnanimity left in those still nursing age-old resentments at having to work to fit in.