I thought this was an interesting and pithy comment by imnobody00, replying to the question posed in this post.
It’s easy. Leftist Jews are secular/reform Jews. When they came to the West, they had two options: to remain in a secluded community or to integrate. Since they were secular, they wanted to integrate. They could integrate by adopting Christianity, but this was the enemy of their forefathers, a kind of ancient taboo.
Or they could integrate by adopting the religion of the Left, which filled the religious void they had in their minds, integrated them to the West and wasn’t a taboo or a historical enemy. In addition, it was the religion of brainy people, such as them. They did that although retaining their ethnicity. Since the religion of the Left, it is anti-Christian and anti-White, they are anti-Christian and anti-White. They have a plus because they are Jews so they remember grievances against Christians.
In short, the Jews that are producing these mayhems are not Orthodox Jews but converts. Converts to the religion of the Left. Their Judaism is vestigial and disappearing, when they intermarry (think Woody Allen’s kids) or have a low birthrate. This is why Orthodox Jews will be the majority of the American Jews in some few decades.
I would only demur that from what I’ve read and heard plenty of Conservative Jews are equally as leftist as their secular/Reform brethren. So apparently choosing the lower-integration path doesn’t also thwart the desire to adopt Leftism as a supplementary religion. My follow-up question: are Orthodox Jews in the U.S. against open borders and multikult in meaningful numbers? There are enough of them that a breakdown of their voting preferences shouldn’t be hard to determine. If they are, that would lend credence to imnobody00’s argument that Leftism is only a religion for otherwise irreligious Jews seeking a substitute to fill their spiritual void that isn’t Christianity.
Similar to Jim’s view.
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Indeed. Jim uses the apposite term conversos, thereby adapting the historical name for Iberian Jews who converted to Catholicism in the 14th and 15th centuries.
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Fascinating. This appears true of secular “churchians” as well. Being religious is a human trait, whether we are conscious of it or not. It seems to me that many post-Christians also unconsciously worship Leftism. The Leftist clergy, however, is overwhelmingly and unarguably Inuit.
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Jews are priests by nature. Nietzsche summed up the eskimo psyche with the Slave/Master dichotomy.
They gain control by turning the pyramid on its head by advancing an anti-nature belief system.
Leftism is the perfect place for them.
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Christianity was a ploy to subvert the gentile Roman order.
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Never heard that before. Deets?
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A ploy by God Himself, perhaps… the Big Yids did all they could to quash it at the time.
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I dunno… My understanding is that the Romans didn’t give a shite what you believed as long as you recognized the emperor and authorities as the powers that be. Then again, things started getting really crazy in the Empire. A damn shame too.
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I dunno. The Roman order pretty much subverted itself…
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Christianity (of which I am not a member) is one of the main pillars of Western civilization.
Brilliant ploy.
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Reb, Wrong Side is quite correct. The Nazarene movement was an attempt to reform Judaism to include ‘gentiles’. See Acts. St. Paul the Jew Saul was brought in to get the gentiles when it stopped going well. He invented a new covenant and thus orthodox-ish Christianity that was adopted by the Empire. Christians would not know what their religion was just by the Gospel. The Pauline goal is the submit gentiles to jews to the elite social engineers at a later inevitable per Gawd date. See trito-Isaiah 56-66 and Romans 11:28.
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Leftism is the perfect place for jews as it has ties to left-hand path magic which can be considered to be a force of destruction which is in certain way is the jewish goal of being: to destroy everything that isn’t jewish by subverting and inverting them until everything has become kosher.
This jewish force of inverted black magic is also used against ancient esoteric symbols to turn them into emblems of great evil. This is something hardly anyone mentions.
http://belsebuub.com/reclaiming-the-spiritual-symbols-that-have-been-hijacked-and-used-against-us
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0156013363/thewolfboutique
In this book, it describes how some Orthodox Jews opened a meat packing plant in Iowa. Rather than hiring local people, they hired Mexicans. So this would appear they are not above importing 3rd worlders in order to maximize profit.
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I’m shocked I tell you. Shocked.
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leftism is the opiate of the landless
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^^^
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Don’t forget, opium is also the religion of the asses.
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I can’t give the Orthos a pass until I see ’em do something significant to put a lid on their fellow (and allegedly ‘secular’) tribesmen.
And I mean more than just kvetching about ungodliness in some limited circulation newspaper.
I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the biggest machers and Sanhedrin are also Ortho.
And if we wait for the “bad” Jews to disappear because they’re not having as replacement numbers of children, well… good luck on that… we’ll be long-gone before they will… not forgetting that future Ortho kids will be dropping out from that fold and filling the ranks of the seculars.
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These sorts of Good Orthodox Jews vs Bad Reform Jews comparisons tend to focus on the United States and Israel. Rather than Israel, I propose you look at the UK, whose Jewish population is further along on the transition towards Orthodox demographic dominance.
The Steve Sailer commenter “Simon in London” had some interesting things to say about the Jews in the UK in the past:
“You make an important point for Americans to understand, that most British Jews are Orthodox, and this means they are very different from America’s dominant New York secular Jewish elite – they are far less left-liberal (I was going to write ‘they are socially conservative’, but that would not be exactly accurate – but they are patriotic, don’t hate Britain, and IME they don’t hate Christians the way the New York Jewish elite does). I think the majority of British Jews are Sephardic, in any case the Ashkenazi who came here later integrated into the existing British Sephardic Jewish culture, rather than swamping it as happened in the USA.
There is a very small Marxist/left-liberal (mostly-Ashkenazi) Jewish elite, who produce the likes of Peter Mandelson and Ed Miliband. Along with many non-Jewish persons of similar views (Tony Blair, Polly Toynbee) they wreaked a lot of havoc in the New Labour government. But their numbers are tiny in absolute terms, and very small as a proportion of all British Jews. I’d say probably most British Jews are politically Whig-Liberal not Socialist; Margaret Thatcher’s Finchley constituency is heavily Jewish. More supported Labour in the past, but (former Mayor) Ken Livingstone and the rest of the Left’s alliance with Jew-hating Muslim groups has pushed them to the right in recent decades.”
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Whoops, that was meant to be a separate comment.
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Britain is less religious than the US to start with, so the Jews don’t have to be so anti religious, even if they are lefty atheists.
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Thats blatant jew apologia and its the bullshit NRx view of the Jews that completely fails to address the fact the leftist secular Jews don’t just “adopt” lefitism, they are the thought leaders who steer it.
Anti-gentilism is the Jews survival mechanism when they’re away from the tribe, and leftism is just their vehicle.
Damn Judeo-reactionaries like Moldbug really squid-inked some clear thinkers on this issue. And if you think for a second that Orthodox Jews might be on your side, go look at what Ben Shapiro has been saying about Trump lately.
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The bigger problem I have are supposed right-wing Jews like Sheldon Adelson, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer are indistinguishable from leftist Jews like George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg. They all hate Christian whites.
NRx is worthless for trying to attribute to Christianity for what Jews have done in the short time theyve been in power with their “Cathedral” drivel.
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Agreed and I left a surprising new example which hopefully won’t be stuck in moderation for too long.
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jackmcg = most worthwhile comment in this thread
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Agreed. Well said, Jack. We shouldn’t take our eyes off these monsters or grant them any leniency.
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” . . . completely fails to address the fact the leftist secular Jews don’t just “adopt” lefitism, they are the thought leaders who steer it. ”
–Exactly. This is Moldbuggery of the “Puritans are the True Leftists!” variety. Sure, the Puritans have a lot to answer for–up to and including our American Civil War: but it’s the Eskimos who make Leftism an intractable problem, not just for economies but for our very existence.
Even the wretched French Revolution basically burned itself out after a few years– unless you count Napoleon. But whatever Napoleon has to answer for, his wars weren’t explicit attempts to DESTROY Christendom.
No Borgia Pope, no Robespierre has done so much to stain our earth with blood and pollution as J*wish ideology, J*wish envy, J*wish agitation.
And as Greg says, what have the Orthodox ever shown to prove they are able or willing to curtail these excesses? Indeed, what the devil should we CARE what they thing? Our (((j*w))) perhaps will be along to say something against the Talmud. Harold Bloom does much the same thing, humblebragging he doesn’t think he even owns a Talmud. Well, Talmud they win, Kabbala we lose; Neoliberals they win, Neoconservatives we lose. No Eskimo has our answer, and to them we need not apply. We have our own phone line to God, we have our own blood and soil. Will no one rid us of these pests?
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Not disputing this, just to observe that the ‘good Jews’ seem to be in short supply on this side of the water, at least in the public arena. However one of the most effective opponents of mass immigration is Express Newspapers, which are owned by Richard Desmond (Jewish). Michael Howard was another Jew who raised the immigration issue.
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The best thing Stalin ever did was to get rid of Trotsky. Invading Finland, not so good…
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Aren’t Sasha Baron Cohen, Ben Shapiro, and others conservative or orthodox. They seem just as antiwhite as “progressive” jews.
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Rabbi Ovadia Yosef wasn’t exactly a liberal jew.
And he said:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.
“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”
“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”
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Have you ever run into an Orthodox Jew? They’re the most hateful and full of themselves shitheads I’ve ever met. They expect whites to bow before them more than blacks do. They also abuse welfare more frequently than blacks, are often cheat non Jews, and are the primary drivers in white flight. Orthies buy up a few properties in a white area, bring in the worst of the worst blacks to drive the whites out, and then buy up all the properties for nothing. They then evict the blacks using illegal means that whites end up in jail for using and make a huge profit.
Converso-Jews are more dangerous when it comes destroying civilization, but in terms of actual harm to civilized quality of life, Orthies are pretty fucking evil.
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They are very aggressive as well… And they smell… oh god the smell in the summer!
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They have their own aggressive neighborhood watch groups…
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There own equipment… patrols etc…
Imagine…
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Special operations units, emergency response teams etc.
Imagine…
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Cop cars… Imagine!
All male, all white… just like them!
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I don’t buy this. I think my theory previously quoted on this blog was right — Jews use leftism to trash the traditions of mainstream Christian culture.
National Review is now reporting that the very institution of proposing marriage is being called part of “rape culture” by…a Jewish feminist writer named Suzannah Weiss. While this isn’t anti-Christian per se, it’s clearly an effort to destroy marriage further, and since most marriages in the country happen in Christian churches…see how this works? Subversive and sneaky, isn’t it?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432362/marriage-proposal-rape-culture-feminism-social-justice
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Conservative Jews aren’t actually conservative. It’s a religious stream that isn’t quite as lefty as the Reform people, but still broke away from Orthodoxy. Conservative Jews are to contemporary Presbyterians as Reform are to Unitarians. It’s only the Orthodox that are the genuine conservatives/traditionalists.
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Conservative Jews are not the same as the Orthodox.
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The promise to the Jews in the OT were that they would inhabit the Promised Land under the condition that they keep the Torah as a nation. They neither posses the land, considering how much more land they possessed under King David, nor do they keep the Torah. The Covenant has been broken. God’s Chosen no more.
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That’s my understanding as well. “Conservative Judaism” is a very misleading term for the reasons given.
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The Orthodox are mostly concerned with local issues and anything that affects their own community directly. I don’t think they care that much about immigration issues either way. But they certainly don’t go in for left wing ideology in any way.
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“I don’t think they care that much about immigration issues either way.”
They should. It is impossible to not see what their cousins are doing. Then again, I see more than a few Orthodox at the range…
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You got it. If they’re real Orthodox, they’re inside an erev anyway.
Kiryas Joel is a stone’s throw from one of the worst fallout zones in New York. Aventura is in North Miami. They don’t give a fuck; they have the money to insulate themselves.
For now.
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The Orthodox Jews rejected Jesus. So best case scenario is gOd does not exist and they are fools. Worst case is that Othodox Jews are under the influence of Satan.
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God rules. But you Christians are worshiping a dead Jew.
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Some truth in this, but doesn’t account for the extent to which they MADE the Left. The Left’s origins lie with us, but its extent lies with them.
They really are the Orcs to us Elves: ugly, destructive, genetic instincts they cannot change but by slow outbreeding.
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Heartiste here is the truth: The majority of Jews play both sides of an issue to fool we the “stupid goyim” into believing they have disagreements like all other races on the major issues. They don’t want to be perceived for what they are which is a monolithic group that puts their interests before every other races and views all non Jewish races as cattle. The so called “conservative Jew” or “liberal Jew” is just a Jew. Their party affiliation means nothing other than that it is yet another mechanism by which that they use to trick us. As for Christianity and leftism? They are the same thing or rather Communism and Christianity are one in the same. They are Jewish twins and just another Jew BS “brotherhood” scam to play on YT’s need to feel morally self righteous and altruistic but the thing about the Christ cult Jew slave religion for the goyim is that it makes whites altruism pathological as it encourages us to use it on racial outgroups where it becomes suicidal and self defeating as non whites do not appreciate compassion like our fellow whites but see it as weakness via which to prey upon.
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http://see_the_truth.webs.com/Xianity_and_Communism.htm
Here’s the best article ever for anyone who wants to understand what Christianity is really all about.
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Bullshit. 😡
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Utopia is a word and concept engineered by the Christians Thomas More with Erasmus. Game. Set. Match. Christamite.
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GE, I actually second your comment. The link content is white supremicist bullshit or Hegelian misinformation bait. There is no “Jewish Talmud: Nidrasch Talpioth.” However, there is no doubt a correlation and de facto relationship between Christianity that by God insists the poor will always be with us and receiving charity and open communism.
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The Talmud is most reasonably interpreted as prophesying Israel politically ruling its patch of the middle east, and exercising substantial soft power over the rest of the world, but not ruling the world. There might be some Jews who interpret these prophecies as Israel literally ruling the world, but I don’t think they would be significant. All Talmudic Jews view these prophecies as not yet accomplished. Which inclines some Talmudic Jews to act to accomplish them, but Talmudic Jews are not causing us significant problems. Progressive Jews are causing us problems.
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@RealityDoug: There’s two versions of The Talmud. A normal sized book you can buy in stores and then there’s the Babylonian Talmud which is a multi-volume series of books which is where you can find all the quotes Jews don’t want us to read along with the one you claimed did not exist (in all likelyhood). That is besides the point however as the only thing I was claiming is that my article points out Christianity for what it is (Communism) so whether or not that Jewish Talmud verse exists is irrelevant. The only thing you should be judging by my post is whether the article exposed Christianity or not.
If you’re an honest white man and not just another Jew or butthurt Christian brainwashed white you don’t dismiss a person’s entire post/point as “BS” based on one quote “possibly” being wrong or because there’s an uncapitalized sentence or two.
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90% of US Jews were refugees from the Russian Steppe. They were already Bolsheviks embroiled in a 100+ year defacto civil war after the Czar took over the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. They were very poor (one set of shoes for every five years). Murray Rothbard joked that the big decision in 1920s Flatbush was “join the Communist party or not?”
The modern left is really a Jewish antinomian heresy called “Frankism.” You call it the “POZ” “Cultural Marxism” or the “Frankfurt School.” The religion is based on goodness only coming through defiling traditional religious values (Hebraic Law is the basis of Judaism and Conservative Christians). Notice how they get so excited by “edgy” art that trashes traditional norms.
The hatred of beauty, Christianity, virgin mary, innocence, whites, traditional art, etc.. is really just an expression of their innate Evil. Lenin had the quote that he could never listen to Beethoven. Gentiles can be just as Evil (Obama).
Most Jewish intellectuals (including NeoCons) are deeply neurotic people who choose politics for self-medication. They are freaked out by HITLERTRUMPKKK and think that Israel is on the cusp of being destroyed, thus justifying constant random invasions and histrionics like #NeverTrump.
The secular alternative to the Left is Zionism or simply following Jewish tradition. Lots of Jews go this way.
Orthodox is split into Modern and Heredi. Modern orthodox are an analogue of Baptists, etc. Heredi are like Amish. Do you think they want the country flooded with Muslims? NY poll numbers freaked out Hillary and I’ve heard much pro-Trump. However, they generally mind their own business and worry about local politics.
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Most Orthodox Jews are Republicans. The question is how many support Trump? They probably just try and vote for whoever supports Israel.
http://www.jta.org/2015/08/26/news-opinion/united-states/how-many-orthodox-jews-are-republicans-and-11-other-findings-from-pew-on-orthodox-jews
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Orthodox zionist Jews have some awareness of the hypocrisy of “a land for Jews, but no land for whites”, and often disfavor open borders.
However a lot of orthodox Jews, probably most are not Zionist, do not believe in a land for Jews until the Messiah returns, and believe that the white race and Christianity must be destroyed.
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“However a lot of orthodox Jews, probably most are not Zionist, … believe that the white race and Christianity must be destroyed”
What evidence have you seen of this?
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(By the way, I feel honored by Heartiste to publish my comment in one of his posts.)
I guess secular Jews combine the anti-Christianity of traditional Judaism with the anti-Christianity of secular Leftism.
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Obviously the Orthodox Jews are every bit as much of a toxin as the secular Jews. Possibly moreso.
After all, the anti-white tribalism that the seculars practice is even more fanatical among the Orthodox.
Look at someone like Ben Shapiro. He was skeptical but even-handed on Trump… up until it became clear that Trump was going to be neutral on Palestine and wouldn’t be eager to fight more wars for Israel.
Since then, Shapiro’s done nothing but churn out anti-Trump propaganda 24/7.
And this is a guy who even claims to be anti-abortion (used to write about it a lot), but he just penned a piece in which he said that it’d be okay for Hillary to win, even if it meant more Leftist SCOTUS justices, so long as Trump were stopped.
The Jews, whatever stripe, only ever have ONE thought in mind: aggregation of their own power.
And we whites always lose.
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I think that Cruz has done some remarkable outreach to Jews. For example, #jews4trump (a twitter channel), is just a Cruz psyop targeting Jews. Ben $hapiro is getting $upport, from Cruz allie$ (or so I’ve heard).
Cruz had this outreach to Jews planned a long time ago as to cast Trump=Hitler by showing tons of very public Jews rejecting him. The truth is that cutting off Muslim immigration is the most Jew-friendly policy imaginable as Islamic immigration is causing Jewry in France/Belgium to run to Israel from terrorist attacks/harassment.
Some sites like jtf.org are insanely pro-Cruz and anti-Trump. This has been building up for awhile. Last year Cruz made a revolting speech where he went in front of crowd of Middle-Eastern Christians (who have suffered a horrible genocide) and basically publicly masturbated to Israel. The crowd boo’d. I like Israel and I think that those Christians are very stupid, but they’ve suffered horribly and Cruz was painfully cuck and tactless given how his fellow Christians have suffered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHO77XX-hiE
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I remember that incident now that you mention it. Cruz seemed like a totally unsympathetic dick to those Christians assuming that just like with evangelical Christians, these Christians would love Jews and Israel too.
In Orthodox news, some like the Donald.
http://jpupdates.com/2015/08/17/trump-inspiring-some-orthodox-jews-in-brooklyn/
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It is the most insane cuckservative think ever, and I am trying not to be a histrionic Jew (like #NeverTrump crowd) when I say that. Cruz is in front of a group of people literally being exterminated. If those Christians said anything nice about Israel, they would be killed and their daughters raped.
I get it that some Palestinian Christians are anti-Israel… Stockholm syndrome, whatever, and the IDF is heavy handed, but the great tragedy is that the Christians are being cleansed and Cruz is basically saying “suck off Israel or die.”
Those Christians, who Israel often uses as covert agents, are now thinking F-you Israel, F-you USA.
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https://fauceir.wordpress.com/2016/03/05/the-rules-of-religious-conversion-and-adaptation/
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Leftism is nothing more than regressing back to ancient hunter-gatherer times when everything was familial and collective. Anyone espousing such horse-shit is a degenerate faggot who should be shot on sight. Fuck their recessive genes.
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“The Jews, whatever stripe, only ever have ONE thought in mind: aggregation of their own power.
And we whites always lose.”
Is there anything more beta than making your problems the fault of others.
Blacks blame the whites.
Irish blame the English.
And on and on and on ad nauseum.
Jews certainly hit above their weight when it comes to debasing the culture, but you’d be better off finding a mirror and start improving the world there.
Really, where are you guys going with this? Just want to be clear what the game plan is before I throw my hat into the ring.
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Early Christianity was a hostile, Jewish subversion and overthrow of the dominant Greco-Roman culture of the Roman Empire. Alexandria was a Jewish stronghold like NYC. Philo of Alexandria was like a Karl Marx, and the Essenes/Therapeuts was comparable to the Frankfurt School. Here I will give a brief, general history of what we know today as Christianity.
20 BCE – 50 CE. Alexandria, the Roman Empire
There existed many Jewish monasteries that enjoyed much in funding, connections, and influence. Most notable of these where the Essenes and the Therapeuts, among whom Philo of Alexandria? set to create a philosophy/religion that would deliver Gentiles into a Judaic monotheism. They understood that those who held the keys to a monotheistic god would dominate in religion and culture (Protocol of Zion #14). They set to engineer what was to become the hostile overthrow the long-standing Greco-Roman culture & its gods who were to be replaced by the Jewish tribal god Yahweh?.
The Greek title of “Christos” was lifted to name the god of the new religion, whose story is a composite of previous existing pagan gods. Research “religious parallelism.”
Christian theology materialized at the School of Alexandria. In this city rose the early churches, composed of both Jews and of Greeks. Saint Stephen?, Saul of Tarsus?, and Apollos? were most influential in propagating early Christianity. Early Christians were denying & profaning established traditions, angering Romans and conservative Jews, creating lasting religious tensions.
Many years later, 325 CE, Roman Emperor Constantine I convened the Council of Nicaea to solidify one universal religion to unite the Empire. By 380 CE, Nicene Christianity was declared the official Roman religion by ?-puppet Emperor Theodosius. All Paganism was suppressed and outlawed.
In 391 CE, Coptic Pope Theophilus ordered an attack that destroyed the temples and libraries of the Serapeum massacring the priests. The institutional structure of Egyptian religion, then more than four millennia old, was demolished in less than two decades.
Many Christian churches are built directly overtop pagan sacred sites. Thousands were murdered to secure hegemony of the new religion. Among the values of the religion are that you are to be poor in spirit, meek, and/or merciful in order to be blessed. Read The Beatitudes and understand their subversive nature as intended by the Essenes and Therapeuts. With this philosophy, they have convinced its followers to turn the other cheek, love their enemies, and do good to those who hate them. Who benefits?
Religions of our ancestors were replaced by this slave morality of humility, meekness, and poverty.
That is the story of Christianity: a Jewish hijacking of our spirituality.
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20 BCE – 50 CE
You mean 20 BD – AD 50. Get this “CE” nonsense out of here.
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And now I see that I can’t type. 20 BC to AD 50, of course.
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An excerpt from David Lane’s excellent article “What to think Vs. How to think”
http://www.davidlane1488.com/think.html
“More people have been murdered, tortured and destroyed in the name of Jesus than any other cause in all history, including the artificial war between the two Jewish concepts called capitalism and communism. In the 30 Years War alone over one third of Western Europe slaughtered each other over whether Jesus was Protestant or Catholic. It still goes on in Ireland today. Of course, 3The propaganda of the Victors becomes the history of the Vanquished2, so we never hear of all the millions the church murdered and tortured in its 1000 year war to destroy the White man1s native and organic religion of Wotan/Woden/Odin. How many know that Charlemagne, the Holy Roman Emperor, called a treaty meeting of 5000 Wotanist Saxon leaders from central Europe in 787 AD? As was the custom among Wotanists, arms were not carried into treaty conferences. The treacherous Charlemagne then surrounded the Saxons with a Christian army and beheaded them in front of an audience of church dignitaries. By such methods a new belief was forced on Europe. In effect, the Jews hired the Roman Empire to murder anyone in Europe who would not accept a new religion with Jews as “God’s Chosen People”. The White world has been collectively insane ever since.”
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“More people have been murdered, tortured and destroyed in the name of Jesus than any other cause in all history, including the artificial war between the two Jewish concepts called capitalism and communism. In the 30 Years War alone over one third of Western Europe slaughtered each other over whether Jesus was Protestant or Catholic.”
Deaths of the Thirty Years War: 3,000,000–11,500,000
Deaths of communism in XX century: more than 100 million.
Religious war vs other wars: 7% vs 93%. More than half of these religious wars are Islamic.
Non-Religious Dictator Lives Lost
Joseph Stalin – 42,672,000
Mao Zedong – 37,828,000
Adolf Hitler – 20,946,000
Chiang Kai-shek – 10,214,000
Vladimir Lenin – 4,017,000
Hideki Tojo – 3,990,000
Pol Pot – 2,397,0003
(See more https://carm.org/religion-cause-war)
“The treacherous Charlemagne then surrounded the [5000] Saxons with a Christian army and beheaded them in front of an audience of church dignitaries. By such methods a new belief was forced on Europe. […] The White world has been collectively insane ever since”
Deaths of French revolution: 16,594 executed by guillotine and another 25,000 in summary executions across France.
The treacherous Robespierre then captured the [16000] non believers in the Enlightenment religion and beheaded them using guillotine in front of an audience composed by a cheering mob. By such methods a new belief was forced on Europe. More people were killed in name of this new Religion trying to establish the paradise on earth than in any other Religion (including Islam). The White world has been collectively insane ever since (see leftist people, for an example of insanity of this new Religion).
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Jen pac u write 2 paragraphs of “supposed historical expertise” … get disembowled by the next comment … then move on w more moronics..
Leave the thinking to those w the capacity
Poser Jerk off
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There was no “disembowlment” Jew boy as Christianity and Communism are the exact same thing. Your fellow Jew only succeeded in proving me even more right.
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JenkPac, get yo’ haid outta yo’ azz…
Christianity and Communism are worlds apart… the latter is a version of godless Man worship, and even denies the nobility of Man within its own framework, painting everyone as merely some economic unit motivated by mere material appetites.
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“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”
Orthodox rabbi Ovadia Yosef
This is what their leaders think, and have always thougth.
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And I know its just my meager “two cents” but I think a real man like Varg Vikernes is a better example/role model for the white youth to aspire to be like and emulate the alpha traits of than a lowlife Jewish controlled puppet like Donald Trump but again what do I know? I’m just a worthless black welfare recipient…
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It looks like the KKK (Kansas Kruz Kucks) are real after all.
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I think it’s cute that we’re discussing in 2016 whether Jews as a group are malevolent or just divided/misguided. This was settled with 1 Thessalonians 2:15, from a guy executed in a persecution instigated by the Jews (because ever nothing changes).
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Yes, this is certainly a very odd comment thread.
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Bear in mind that Christianity defers to Hebraic Law for moral issues, so it is philo-Semitic and anti-Semitic at the same time.
PaleoCon Jews & Christians are RealTalk with our flaws as a people, but see our talent and contributions, particularly when assimilated well. Our neuroticism is legendary. I poke fun of it, and all honest Jews get the joke.
So, the debate is between (1) no anti-Semitism (2) Old School PaleoCon/Christian “polite anti-Semitism” (3) Fascist oven pictures.
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I’ll take number 3 for $500 Alex…
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Whites had a sense of honor and fair play, morality and righteous behavior well-before Christianity…
… so let’s just stop this “defers to Hebraic Law for moral issues” nonsense.
The reason Christianity took hold and held fast in the European heart is because the match was “made in heaven”, as it were.
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I’m so sad about the outcome in our state today. I had no idea so many of my neighbors liked the booger eater.
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David Mamet explained how all of this works in the book he wrote about his conversion to conservatism, “The Secret Knowledge.” It’s a great book with lots of insights that you’re not likely to get from other conservative writers, since Mamet is a Chicago Jew and former lefty. Go watch Alec Baldwin’s famous scene in Glengarry Glen Ross and tell me this guy doesn’t get it.
Anyway, he explained why Americans are mostly liberal. He said a hundred years ago, when all those Jews were migrating here from Eastern Europe, the dirty little secret about American Judaism that nobody knows about is that all those familie were abandoned by their fathers in one way or another. Either the fathers disappeared altogether, or they took jobs as traveling salesmen that kept them out on the road and away from their families for nine months out of the year.
This matters because in Judaism, religion is passed down from father to son. In Jewish households, the husband/father is in charge of religion.
In the space of a generation, all those immigrant families secularized. And they secularized Judaism’s moral imperative to perfect society. Mamet mentions it as well. He says Judaism has always placed a huge emphasis on this and it wasn’t an issue as long as Jews kept to the shtetl, but once they left, they secularized Judaic teaching and we’ve all been paying the price ever since.
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So when can we start expecting all these improvements? :duckface:
For having such a “moral imperative to perfect society”, they seem to be missing the mark a bit…
… unless of course there’s some other meaning of “perfect” in the yid lexicon.
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True. Many came to the States because their father’s died or they were fatherless. They were often Commies when they came to the states from Russia (which was on the cusp of communist revolution), but this would help explain how religiosity collapsed so quickly. The shtetls in Russia were already teeming with Commies (see Fiddler on the Roof).
I posted the joke from Murray Rothbard that in 1920’s Flatbush Queens, the political decision was “communist or not?” Democrats and Republicans not even on radar screen.
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Go watch Alec Baldwin’s famous scene in Glengarry Glen Ross and tell me this guy doesn’t get it.
There are a lot of famous scenes in Glengarry Glen Ross. Which one are you referencing?
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He was referencing the one with Alec Baldwin…
You fairy.
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Wha?
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… are Orthodox Jews in the U.S. against open borders and multikult in meaningful numbers? There are enough of them that a breakdown of their voting preferences shouldn’t be hard to determine.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/chapter-6-social-and-political-views/
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CH, will you please do a post about the Third Wave experiment from a high school in 1967 California?
It is a very interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICng-KRxXJ8
“Over the course of five days, Jones conducted a series of exercises in his classroom emphasizing discipline and community, intended to model certain characteristics of the Nazi movement. As the movement grew outside his class and began to number in the hundreds, Jones began to feel that the movement had spiraled out of control. ”
What I find so interesting about it is:
– The rapidity with which the youth responded to an alpha leader inspiring them with discipline and ‘tribal’ feeling
– The assumption that such things are somehow bad, despite the positive feelings and improved performance that the students experienced
– The immorality of schoolteachers playing experiments on unwitting students
I was also wondering why, if humans are so easily controlled through such things as discipline, authoritarian leadership, slogans, salutes, and so on, why don’t we see these things anymore in modern politics? Is it because modern politicians don’t have strong enough personalities to pull it off? Is it because such things foster community, and our modern rulers don’t want us to have strong community? They want us to suffer from the modern lack of community spirit? Just my thoughts, would be interested in your take on it.
Also, related, the blue eyes experiment done on 3rd graders by teacher Jane Elliot showing how quickly children are willing to turn against whoever they perceive as being outside of their “tribal” group, also showing how unscrupulous the public school system is when it wants to use your children as guinea pigs for their psychologically damaging social engineering experiments.
“She wanted to give her small-town, all-white students the experience of “walking in the moccasins” of someone of color.”
“On that first day of the exercise, she designated the blue-eyed children as the superior group. Elliott provided brown fabric collars and asked the blue-eyed students to wrap them around the necks of their brown-eyed peers as a method to easily identify the minority group. She gave the blue-eyed children extra privileges, such as second helpings at lunch, access to the new jungle gym, and five extra minutes at recess. The blue-eyed children sat in the front of the classroom, and the brown-eyed children were sent to sit in the back rows. The blue-eyed children were encouraged to play only with other blue-eyed children and to ignore those with brown eyes. Elliott would not allow brown-eyed and blue-eyed children to drink from the same water fountain and often chastised the brown-eyed students when they did not follow the exercise’s rules or made mistakes. She often exemplified the differences between the two groups by singling out students and would use negative aspects of brown-eyed children to emphasize a point.
At first, there was resistance among the students in the minority group to the idea that blue-eyed children were better than brown-eyed children. To counter this, Elliott lied to the children by stating that melanin, which is responsible for making children blue-eyed, was also linked to their higher intelligence and learning ability. Shortly thereafter, this initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed “superior” became arrogant, bossy, and otherwise unpleasant to their “inferior” classmates. Their grades on simple tests were better, and they completed mathematical and reading tasks that had seemed outside their ability before. The “inferior” classmates also transformed – into timid and subservient children who scored poorer on tests, and even during recess isolated themselves, including those who had previously been dominant in the class. These children’s academic performance suffered, even with tasks that had been simple before.[4]”
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Read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and it’s Impact on World History by E. Michael Jones. It’s long book that directly addresses your question.
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Read the Bloomberg link below: summary: two Orthos make a bunch of money ripping off non-Eskimo businesses, sell out to Goldman Sachs. Move to Puerto Rico and spend time defiling the local shiksas.
Orthos and Reform have a good thing going, they can point to each other and do a No True Scotsman shuffle and dance. Reality is, they cooperate if even from a distance. Does every 2nd Amendment activist know all the others? No? So how do they know how to coordinate? Ah… same thing as the Eskimos.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-10-06/how-two-guys-lost-god-and-found-40-million
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We disagree. That’s not interesting at all.
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I love myself, my body, with its growing physique due to bodybuilding. I love the Beethoven they played at Trumps press conference tonight. I love joy and want to enjoy life and see the best in all groups. Not only do I see things on the political landscape that I deem utterly horrible – because they strike at the very heart of genetic continuity, among other things, and the survival of the civilization I love, but I feel myself pwned and conquered or marked and marred for life, before I could even speak. The scar on my male anatomy serves as a constant reminder no matter how stout and manly I become, I am or was society’s bitch. This came from judaism, I know too well, so I hate it for that, but I am too objective. Anti semitism is stupid, it serves no point. Loyalty and position are what matter. It makes sense though, aside from accursed circumcision, I always felt Orthodox Jews I could relate to, trust. You know where they’re coming from. I really do believe all they want is freedom to worship. Hell, many are more anti zionist than your average protestor, declaring Israel has no right to exist. I have no intention of being labelled an anti Semite. I stand up for Europe and European peoples and values everywhere. Aside from circumcision and thinking religion is crazy and from the stone age, I am cool. I’ll do business with jews, but loyalty or true commitment to diversity- I.e. Europe can exist- they can know my position on that. I can reason with them, that lost art of listening and reasoning. It will not degrade into name calling. Do some jews show in group loyalty as in Hollywood? Then you can call them hypocrites, or boycott them. You can’t help the disturbed individuals. All you can do is try keep them from power, and keep them from your children be they Jew or European. Note I didn’t say gentile.
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Neither! We need a conservative/right-wing scientific Atheism.
Enough with the Left fairy tales and the Bible fairy tales!
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It is simple. Jews defend all minorities so they will be safe as well, and history does repeat itself.
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Defend? Did you mean “use and discard, as the occasion merits”?
And why, pray tell, should they worry about being “safe”, if they’re doing nothing wrong?
Oh, that’s right… big bad dumb & jealous gentiles are always looking to victimize them for no good reason at all, oy vey. :duckface:
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Orthodox Jews produce left wing Jews. If an Orthodox family has six kids, which seems to be their minimum, at least 1-2 will go secular. The amount of prohibitions and commandments placed on them is nothing to sneeze at and large numbers will naturally rebel.
And when they rebel, they don’t just rebel against Jewish strictures, they go out into gentile society and try to tear down all strictures as such. This isn’t a uniquely Jewish problem. Muslim immigrants to Europe come from societies that are likewise heavily structured and full of commandments. Then they come to the West where there’s nothing to enforce their religion’s structure, and they can’t handle it. Not only do they ignore all of their religion’s commands and prohibitions, they flip out and start ignoring kaffir society’s commands and prohibitions as well. They’re not as smart as the Jews, so their assault on white gentile/kaffir society takes a more physical form but it’s the same impulse and the same root cause.
These left-wing Jews with their project of tearing down gentile society via the application of their corrosive rationalism are merely the intellectual equivalent to those Moroccan kids in the banlieus selling drugs, beating up their white slut girlfriends and setting kaffir cars on fire.
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If anything, we need to be giving depo provera shots to the Orthodox because they’re the ones birthing the next generation of left radicals. Given how much higher their birth rates are than secular Jews, and given the likelihood that a goodly percentage of their kids will secularize, it’s not unreasonable to assume they give birth to more left wing Jews than left-wing Jews themselves do.
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A final point for everyone even my contentious Christ brainwashed colleague Greg Elliot is that regardless of what anyone here may believe in, whether you are religious, non religious a Christian or an atheist IF you are a white person what the Jews “hate” is the white RACE.
They are not out to destroy the Christian religion that they created for the sole purpose of mentally enslaving the white goyim (a race they could not enslave with physical chains).
They want the white race dead. Christianity is simply a false enemy for them to engage in mock attacks against to distract white people from the pertinent all encompassing issue of our time and that is Jews are actively engaged in an attempt to genocide the white race off the face of the planet either through miscegnation or wars or any other means that they can acheive that goal.
If Jews wanted Christianity wiped out/gone/destroyed they would’ve already gone after it’s tax exempt status and succeeded at removing that status whereby the Christian religion would quickly die out.
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1) if we want to kill white people, aren’t we going to all get killed when muzzies take over?
2) Christianity has a ton of Anti-Semitism in it (but it is “polite” and not of the “oven” variety). Why would we make an anti-Semitic religion?
3) Judaism has much of Christianity’s altruism already. We are fairly altruistic ourselves:
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
4) I think these are the villains you are looking for, and they aren’t technically Jews: https://twitter.com/The_Rebbe_/status/706620197885636608
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Of all the whoppers you’ve told at the chateau… and there have been many… this is probably be the whoppingest.
If you want your fellow Whites to stand tall again, you’re going to have to get off this antiChristian kick.
You’re working harder for the Cathedral than even THEY could have hoped for.
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The whole bible is a distilled insight into the tectonic struggle between Goddess Whoreship and the Truth. Just look up Akhenaten and see how the Whoreship deals with idolaters, they tried to wipe his name from history.
Goddess Whoreship was never erased, it simply went underground in the ‘Mystery’ religions, heck even the Good Book said it would make a comeback as the Whore of Babylon. Just look at the Catholics, Maryology and Co-Redemptrix, it’s such an affront to Orthodox Christianity that they have to keep it on the down low.
The Adam and Eve allegory is the story of the origin of the Whoreship, the half sliced apple reveals a pentagram and the ’13’ orbits of Venus (the Virgin, Athena, Minerva, Sophia etc) reveals a pentagram (the flower of life).
Yeh, Adam (man) just ate that shit right up.
The Whoreship is the origin of the restitution of order through a phallic male blood sacrifice (convenient it was a male, heh), first it was the king, then a substitute king, then the fist born male child, then a male animal and finally the tip of a man’s dick. That’ll give you an insight into why Isis searches for Osiris’s dismembered dick, Whoreship fertility ritual.
John the Baptist’s plight is an insight into the Whoreship paradigm, the dance of the seven veils is the dance of the lover (Aphrodite, the moon, the 7 phases of its orbit) while the whore’s mother represents Hecate (the old crone, Sirius). By engaging in the ritual Herod was obligated to fulfil the phallic sacrifice, like he gave a shit if he went back on his word.
Jesus basically said enough of this shit, it ends with me. Is it any wonder the new age movement try to marry him off to a former prostitute and the story ends up a best seller (Dan Brown).
The central tenent of Whoreship is male sacrifice and female promiscuity, I wonder where we are at now?
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I do not do links, directly, but please yes google up Ruusiaiin school kids handling the AK 47.
Then ggoogle on utube the 13 yr olde American girl shottoor. It is all good.
Gun control is broadly regarded a
s an excellent idea in the USA — it is just that our actual existencing government is not qualified to do and manage it without paralyzing fear.
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I’ve recently (and surprisingly) come across a handful of secular Jews that are pro-Trump. Not a substantial number, but these specific ones are particularly jewy, which is why it’s so strange. I guess at some point even they would have to stop believing their own bullshit.
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There are some Jews, not many, but some, that are unable to oppose Muslim immigration to Israel and support Muslim immigration to the US while holding a straight face.
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“They are not out to destroy the Christian religion that they created for the sole purpose of mentally enslaving the white goyim” – A comment like this gets posted, but mine doesn’t? Can someone please link me to CH posting guidelines so I can figure out why my comment was trashed?
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What happens if you reject both?
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They are parasites and should be removed from the West by any means necessary. Watch this clip. If you don’t want to kill them after watching this, there is something wrong with you.
Remember, they hate us.
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