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How Not To Be The Creep That Chicks Don’t Dig

April 8, 2016 by CH

Girls, bless their holistic hearts, aren’t keen on detailing the reasons why this or that man is unsuitable as a lover. Instead of a sober assessment of a man’s characteristics, girls prefer to render their judgments in all-encompassing terms like “creep” or “weirdo” or “loser” or “nice guy”. Many subconscious mate value calculations operate in the female hindbrain that are consciously concatenated into swift and sure slanders of dismissal.

If a girl thinks you’re “creepy”, console yourself that her assessment doesn’t necessarily mean you are a creep. All it means is that you failed to exhibit those behaviors and traits that trigger her arousal instinct. But you should still take the smear as an opportunity to improve how you sell yourself to women. The alternative is meta-death.

With that in mind, here’s an illuminating study about the male tics and mannerisms that women think qualifies as “creepy”.

On the nature of creepiness

Surprisingly, until now there has never been an empirical study of “creepiness.” An international sample of 1341 individuals responded to an online survey. Males were perceived as being more likely to be creepy than females, and females were more likely to associate sexual threat with creepiness. Unusual nonverbal behavior and characteristics associated with unpredictability were also predictors of creepiness, as were some occupations and hobbies. The results are consistent with the hypothesis that being “creeped out” is an evolved adaptive emotional response to ambiguity about the presence of threat that enables us to maintain vigilance during times of uncertainty.

The limbic “creep” burp is a distant early warning to a girl that the seed under consideration shall not penetrate her eggs’ perimeter defense.

Salon (fag bastion alert) does a halfway-decent job itemizing the primary creep factors.

One of the paper’s hypotheses states unpredictability in a person is associated with higher levels of creepiness. Because we’re already initially uncomfortable with being unable to assess a person’s motives, we become hyper-aware of their behavior while trying to size them up.

This claim should be read with a critical eye. Ambiguity and unpredictability (i.e., being a challenge) are actually quite arousing to women, so the risk of setting off her creep alarm should be balanced against the reward of turning on her snapper sprinkler. My impression is that when a woman is curious about a man, there always lurks in the back of her mind the potential for her curiosity to lurch into anti-creep defense mode. To put it another way, every successful seduction is accompanied by an element of danger.

Other things found to sound our creep-alarms are behaviors such as standing too close to a person, frequent and persistent lip smacking or licking, odd dress and relentlessly directing a conversation to one topic.

Touching girls early on in a pickup is a crucial step to advancing toward the bedroom. But a light forearm touch is a different beast than posting up a foot inside a girl’s personal space. The initial kino should barely be perceptible; standing nose tip to nose tip is a little too “on the nose” for most women.

As for lip smacking and licking, don’t do it. Obvious. You ever see a man who does well with women licking his lips like Marco Rubio after the foam party antics have dried out to a crusty glaze?

Odd dress… just means don’t dress poorly or too skewed from the norms for your culture. Wearing a Bedouin sheet in Chicago will freak out a lot of people.

The last creep factor is the most important one: conversational stubbornness. Girls love freewheeling convos full of breezy associations and delectable tangents. We all know that nerdo or spergo who can’t let go of a point he’s trying to make over the happy din of a socially-gelling mixed group. If there’s one piece of advice I would give to men on how to avoid being the creep chicks despise, it’s LET GO. Didn’t get your point across? No prob. Ride the wave. Swing at another pitch. Take the detour in good humor and with a sense of adventure. The best womanizers I have known all shared this trait in common; they were pros at both leading conversations and going with the conversational flow. You can do this, too, but it will demand that you get out of your head and become more situationally aware. The field  of seduction is no place for shutting out external catalysts.

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  1. on April 8, 2016 at 3:39 pm Wrong Side of History

    “and relentlessly directing a conversation to one topic.”

    Spergs are hopelessly creepy.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 3:50 pm Wrong Side of History

      I stopped going anywhere with my cousin because he would go into nerd tangents about shit like the Legends of Zelda sucking after old school NES.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 5:01 pm mendo

        Nah man, it all went downhill after The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past for the SNES! That shit still ranks as the best of the best…Eric Roberts status!

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      • on April 10, 2016 at 1:33 am me

        Your cousin is right about Zelda though.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 3:58 pm Wrong Side of History

      Also

      When I see an anime or sportsball avatar I’m almost certain that I would avoid this person irl

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 4:21 pm uh

        I like you more and more dawg.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 5:21 pm Lucius Somesuch

        (((“uh”))), “these are not the fascists you are looking for.”

        –Wrong Side, in the spirit of (((“uh”))) I checked out your blog a little. You’re not too bad, but your writing is a bit seventeen year-old precocious but maybe not precocious enough.. Try to mix up your declarative sentences a little.

        Also, your terms of industry are rather imprecise. Try a good two-volume political philosophy primer and refine things. I won’t indulge evangelizing against your respectable atheism, but respectable atheists still have a tendency to overestimate their command of the cultural and philosophical nuances of Christianity. But I assume you’re young.

        If you ever check out the Robert Lindsay (spl?) blog for kicks, note that commenter Jason something who nests sixty comments at a time trying to convince himself he’s not a racist. You’re doing that a little bit right now. Short, halting sentences and backtracking addendum sound a bit aspiefied themselves. Plus, you sound a tad defensive.

        (((“uh”))), am I making you wet?

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 5:28 pm Wrong Side of History

        Thanks.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:23 pm Matthew Smith

        So many alt-righters are into anime for some reason, I don’t get it, however I do the same. I avoid anime-worshippers at all cost.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:31 pm uh

        Dude, you’re just repugnant. Pretty sure I’m not alone in that opinion. You’re one of those people who absolutely reek of self-importance and seem to thrive on the antipathy they elicit. To avoid recognition of that simple fact, you resort to the usual alt-right defensive manoeuvre of convincing yourself that I’m Jewish, or half Jewish, or thwack, or anything but some other guy on the internet who’s taken your measure simply by peering through the lines and found it wanting. Sorry asshole, nobody’s impressed by your arrogance. It’s like Ted Cruz — the more he sees people sighing and muttering, the longer he stands there acting superior.

        Another thing: your style isn’t nearly as good as you very evidently think it is. Constructions like “indulge evangelizing” are try-hard internet English 101, unworthy of a dismissive entry in Fowler’s. But of course, being convinced of your own greatness, you affect to advise someone else on style. Not only are you in possession of the absolute truth re Jews and the world – which you got from the internet, the same we all use every day – you’re also the last word in English prose. “Indulge evangelizing”.

        This sort of thing makes people want to hurt you. I’d put money on it holding true for your real life interactions, if you have any. For other people’s sake, I hope it’s the bare minimum.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:33 pm Wrong Side of History

        Ramzpaul can talk shit about the 1488 crowd but I don’t see them talking about waifus

        It’s like

        wtf am I participating in

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:55 pm uh

        @Matthew – I was on Facebook for about six months. One of the reasons I left was all the obnoxious alt-right weebs. Cartoon yellow fever and paranoiac’s anti-Semitism has got to be one of the most pointless unions in all the permutations of modern ideology.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 7:07 pm uh

        Exactly dude. I had left the internet for a couple years, and when I came back, I was seeing this “waifu” shit and those stupid big-eyed fucking Asian things everywhere. And they really believe they’re like this avant-garde poised to take over the damned world because they read a PDF summary of The Culture of Critique, Pepe memes, and

        >this
        >bullshit

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 7:55 pm Lucius Somesuch

        (((“uh”))): “Constructions like “indulge evangelizing” are try-hard internet English 101, unworthy of a dismissive entry in Fowler’s.”

        –Try-hard constructions like, uh, “ouroborosian”, Sarah? Glad you didn’t sleep through Myth & Ritual, but that’s a pretty clunky usage.

        My English is just fine. You are making a lot of unforced rookie errors. I suppose you could claim the meds are kicking in/balancing out in order to explain your late attempts (pressure getting to you?) to sound edumaketad instead of like a black lesbian’s caricature of an “angry”, self-hating White man. (Go ahead and try that excuse, gratis, if you think it’s useful.)

        You really need to pick one “gender” and one socioeconomic status and stick with it. You didn’t read about an ouroboros in community college, but neither do you have the wit to become an autodidact. You’re just a university educated dimwit.

        You seem oblivious to the fact I’ve been commenting here almost as long as I’ve been keeping that “secret diary!!!” you juice yourself peeking at. Not everyone who comes here is a genius– but several of us are. You are WAY out of your league.

        But I guess Nazi Woody Allen is some kind of wet dream for you?

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm uh

        You’ve gone off the rails, sport. Just for reference though, you’ve now claimed that I am:

        – Jewish
        – half Jewish
        – black or half black
        – thwack himself
        – female
        – sthg else I can’t remember

        And I’m supposed to be unhinged. 😂

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 8:14 pm Lucius Somesuch

        (((“uh”))): “I was on Facebook for about six months. One of the reasons I left was all the obnoxious alt-right weebs. Cartoon yellow fever and paranoiac’s anti-Semitism has got to be one of the most pointless unions in all the permutations of modern ideology.”

        –Sarah, KNOCK IT OFF. This is the most c*nt-juiced paragraph humanly imaginable!

        “I was on facebook”; “obnoxious alt-right”; “weebs”; “yellow fever”; “paranoiac anti-Semitism”; “pointless unions”; “permutations of modern ideology”.

        It would be mirthless to point out that I publicly oppose White-Yellow miscegenation or that I’ve never bothered to read Kevin MacDonald. No, what’s funny is how no White Man in history simply found himself mysteriously besieged by all these noxious influences you rail against.

        What Hu-White man goes on facebook? What man there (of all places!) would somehow be assaulted by unsolicited “alt-right weebs”? Mysteriously waylaid by Yellow Fever? How come, Sarah? I mean, you hate the AltRight, you say so yourself all the time! Paranoid anti-semitism, where did that come from? You didn’t go LOOKING for it, did you? I mean, you weren’t just there TROLLING, surely? lozlzolz

        You are the stupidest chick imaginable. You are insane. Every phrase, every pore of you is BAD BAD BAD WHITE MAN! With all of a lonely J*wess’ rage against those damn honeypot chink chicks thrown in too. No wonder I enjoy so much space rent-free inside your head– and yet, it’s all a mirage!

        You are an incompetent, joyless little lie, sweetie.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 8:40 pm uh

        k this is too weird for me

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 8:47 pm Wrong Side of History

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 10:58 am Lucius Somesuch

        that’s right, Sarah. There’s only room for one Strappie Within . . . .

        THE DEFRENESTRUASHUN OF SARAICHERIBB lozlzlz

        The JIDF came down like the wolf on the fold
        And its trolling was rolling in untruth desouled,
        And the stink of their bullshit was like foam on the pee
        When uh’s arm makes her mom go Squee Squee Squee!

        Like banknotes Bernankied when sheckels are green
        That host with their boast in AMOGing were keen;
        Like you lose with Cruz ere QE hath blown
        To her sorrow the morrow saw Sarah alone.

        For a Great Books ac’lyte turned his eye to the breeze
        And saw uh at all’s throat or else at their knees
        So he sniped the slight bit of the twit’s limp wit
        Exposing her posing and her hardened k*k* clit.

        And there lay the troll with her sexholes gaped wide
        But the pride of the Huwhite she could not gain inside
        For our loam’s not on loan to non-Aryan babe bits
        So the bitch was compelled to strum her fat slits

        And there lay the fattie mouthbreathing and frail
        With a breadroll on her brow and her breath all stale
        And the comments were silent, the likes unclicked,
        The pencils were staggered, for this dick’s a chick.

        And the minders of Soros are all in the tank
        And the ADL bundlers ran under the bank
        And the wit of the Gentile, sharp’r than Shebrew nail
        Hath unmasked at last the next chateau Shemale!

        [CH: bravo!]

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 11:37 am irishsavant

        “Not only are you in possession of the absolute truth re Jews ”

        Maybe he’s not but with all due modesty I think I am. Like all other people, Jews should be taken on individual merit. However we must recognise that every single one of the movements destroying White civilisation has been started and driven by Jews. I refer to Cultural Marxism in all its forms – feminism, cultural relativism, bogus equality theories, normalising every kind of sexual deviation, the assault on traditional art and religion. Add in Hollywood and MSM mind-rot, open borders activism, enforced integration etc.

        Those Jews have a lot to answer for….

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      • on April 11, 2016 at 7:21 am Greg Eliot

        Got to say, Lucius scored a TKO in the third round.

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    • on April 11, 2016 at 7:18 am Greg Eliot

      I don’t know if this means anything or not, but I suspiciously was put into perma-mod awhile back… not after some NAH-ZEE or ANTI-SEMITE or N1GG3R-N1GG3R-N1GG3R post… but after (((uh))) spilled his(?) guts about his ruined physical condition and mental state, and I, in a true pang of sympathy, told him of God’s Plan for a New World, coming soon to a neighborhood near you, where all these current travails will be distant memories, and all will be made whole again.

      Several commenters even mentioned that my pep-talk was “beautiful”.

      Hmmmmm… of all the things I’ve said, here at the chateau, why would THIS have caused perma-mod?

      (cue Kahn) “Why…. why?”

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  2. on April 8, 2016 at 3:45 pm ty960@aol.com

    Behold black lives that don’t matter. Chicago 4-7-16

    >

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  3. on April 8, 2016 at 3:46 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Sound advice. I once worked with a young analyst universally derided by the girls in the office as a “creep” (or “creeper” as some of them put it).

    From what I recall, his crimes were a social awkwardness and general furtiveness that made the girls (and some of the men) uncomfortable.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 5:04 pm quixotic

      Every office has one! haha

      Its the same thing when a dog you know doesn’t like a new person, always makes me watch them. Little kids too. Dogs and little kids have a sixth sense for weirdos.

      best way to avoid being perceived as weird is to own your actions and words. Never hesitate. Never apologize. Never stutter step.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 5:17 pm quixotic

        Happy friday boys time to hit the bars. Here is a great quote by Emerson, i was trying to think of it when i replied to you originally but couldn’t remember who said it/had to go find it. Pretty well covers all the alpha bases of being passionate, authentic and dynamic.

        “To laugh often and much; To win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; To earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; To appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; To leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded.”

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  4. on April 8, 2016 at 3:51 pm How Not To Be The Creep That Chicks Don’t Dig | Neoreactive

    […] How Not To Be The Creep That Chicks Don’t Dig […]

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  5. on April 8, 2016 at 4:03 pm BetaHolic

    Would it be fair to say that looks play into this? Yeah, yeah, I’m a total beta and I’ve heard all the lectures about not blaming lack of success on looks. But in this case I do think it plays a part. I can’t ever remember a good looking guy at work or school being called a creep. But seen plenty of average or less than average looking men having the “creep” accusation leveled at them.
    Point being, “creepiness” may have a lot to do with certain behaviors, but I’d assume a good looking guy can get away with a lot more. What is creepy for the ugly dude becomes quirky for the Adonis.
    Time to hit the gym.

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  6. on April 8, 2016 at 4:19 pm cortesar

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  7. on April 8, 2016 at 4:24 pm plumpjack

    seems like another creep trademark is a desire to be liked, amirite?

    if so then a good way to placate any lurking creep fears is a heat-seeking zfg neg, followed by a takeaway

    and we need to culturally-appropriate these terms that woman use. they’re the ones whose job it is to worry about being attractive/unattractive. so using these terms that trigger a sense of disgust on them is a potent script-flip

    her: omg this guy was trying to talk to me and I had my headphones in and I just ignored him
    you: that’s creepy

    her: I tore my nylons running to the train
    you: that’s really gross

    her: I have such bad allergies today
    you: ewww…TMI

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 4:50 pm quixotic

      lol yup pretty much anytime you steal a girls frame its solid gold. A few days ago i was at the gym. two girls next to me. One is working out the other is texting. But something is off..shes doing that thing creeper dudes do where you can’t tell if their are actually texting or secretly taking a picture/using the phone as a prop. I let it go, keep working out. Im at my next station and there is phone girl standing behind a pillar. She could be sending a text but decided to be real

      Me: Are you stalking me? *half serious face with trademark smirk*
      Her: Huh? *flustered blushes*
      Me: You could just say hi, ya know *full shit eating grin*
      Her: *sarcastically* ya Im stalking you *starts to slink away still flustered*
      Me: Called it! *smirk sit down at station and start to workout*

      She let the gym and went home lol i think she left her friend mid workout

      Shit was hilarious because i have seen this scenario play out many times at bars/clubs but its always girls accusing guys of being weird, she didnt know how to handle it at all.

      Some of you may say, but you didnt get the bang etc i dont give a fuck lol it just felt good to be honest in that moment and it amused me. It looked like she was stalking me and i called her on it. I dont care if i was right or wrong. I dont care if she wanted to blow me in the sauna or called her boyfriend over to threaten me. Besides now i have a great reason to open her next time “so how did those pics of me turn out?”

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 5:05 pm Captain Obvious

        > “phone girl… but you didnt get the bang etc i dont give a fuck” ——— B!tch has iPhag Addiction. Which is arguably worse than friggin Herpes. NOT M0THER-OF-YOUR-CH!LLUNZES MATERIAL.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:12 pm Matthew Smith

        Frame-stealing is paramount. I always say/use things girls always say/use against men. I have even started to use “basement dweller” against girls, and it works a ton.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm Captain Obvious

        “Yo, da way dat iPhone be like glued to yo friggin nose be like, well, it be CREEPY!!! B!tch. Creepy @ssed b!tch. Creepy.”

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 1:20 am MKKBY

        You actually were way over the top, not funny/charming, sperg like. The fact that she was actually scared should have been your first clue. Don’t bother re-opening. She’ll probably call security.

        Much better would have been, take a picture it’ll last longer… an obvious cocky, funny joke. Then laugh at her answer and press on with banter, number close.

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      • on April 11, 2016 at 4:42 am oink

        zfg ftw ultra-boy

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      • on April 11, 2016 at 9:46 am quixotic

        “You actually were way over the top, not funny/charming, sperg like. The fact that she was actually scared should have been your first clue. Don’t bother re-opening. She’ll probably call security.”

        Lol youre cute

        “Much better would have been, take a picture it’ll last longer… an obvious cocky, funny joke. Then laugh at her answer and press on with banter, number close.”

        Your opener isnt bad but i can tell you are new because

        1. With the right energy/eye contact/smirk your opener is identical to mine and also would have the same potential for success as just saying “hey.” Dont think just open, so if it helps you to use stock openers, go for it

        2. Why would try and number close a girl at the GYM in a 1 minute conversation? It can easily be done but the number is near worthless. Young girls have waay too many dudes coming at them, you gotta make an impact besides just being a good looking guy. The gym is like the coffee shop, perfect place to be friendly and play the long game, show confidence with women but not come off as thirsty. Time is your friend, you can ask her out after running into her next time or when the vibe is right. Whats the rush, you have other plates right? Also lets other girls see you talking to other women (most guys dont even try to game girls at the gym), creates jealousy plotlines, shows preselection and most of all you arent a weirdo trying to hit just on them. Make her wonder why you didnt ask for her number, instead of adding yourself to the list of “every single guy who talks to me for 30 seconds and asks for my number.” Being bold is good but sometimes being direct too soon is shooting yourself in the foot. Mystery’s cat string theory.

        3. Laugh at her answer? Youre assuming she has anything funny to say lol. Younger girls either freeze up like deer in headlights or go bitch shield. Sometimes you get lucky and they are super attracted to you and know how to flirt and will follow any frame you throw out, but the hotter ones will shit test to see if you can handle it.

        I am past the number close phase. I only want a number when it will 100% convert to a bang. Otherwise im just another guy in a long line of wide eyed, interested nice guys who gets forgotten after a week. Being one of the 30 guys in her phone texting “hey” on friday night is not my goal.

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  8. on April 8, 2016 at 4:26 pm kurtcop

    I don’t generally comment, but I had to put my two cents here. When you are looking at unpredictability being either unattractive, or attractive, it’s slightly incorrect. What girls find attractive is what is unexpected – not what is unpredictable.

    You see, predictability is a more universal level of chance. Expecting something is far more personal. In a really abstract sense, you should always say the right thing; another red pill guy of equivalent talent (we’ll assume they both have flawless game) should be able to predict what would be said or at least a close subject. But the girl should not expect what is being said.

    Unpredictability would be, in one breath teasing her; in another, calling her the most beautiful girl ever (genuinely), and in the third, talking about Japanese anime.

    Exaggerated, obviously, but to define that doing something a girl finds unexpected is different than what she finds unpredictable. She should be able to look back and understand where it came from, even if she did not expect it.

    Be a challenge, not weird.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 5:51 pm plumpjack

      “Be a challenge, not weird”

      salient point. gives me thought that there’s a two-way street here. I had a “weird” interaction with a girl recently. she’s a near perfect specimen, though not as confident as you’d expect. my initial ZFG cocky approach got her buzzing then she quickly shut down, in a weird unpredictable way that suggested PTSD.

      next time I saw her I toned it down and she was dismissive. next time I completely ignored her and she was clamoring for my attention.. the cycle repeated 3-4 more times I saw the dismal, hair-trigger future in store for me with this girl and let it go.

      later I found out that her mother had just died of cancer and her father had cheated and bailed on the whole family. (who knows what else he did to her?). so my initial sense of lingering ptsd was likely correct.

      so she made me feel like a creep, but it was actually her, not me.. confident girls seem to allow a lot more margin for error and will allow time for you show a full suite of good and bad character traits. a girl with the wrong kind of daddy issues will have a creep attraction field that’s so strong that simply having a dick places you right on her event horizon where the smallest indication of unapologetic manhood magnetism from you will cause her creep black hole to latch on and pull you into it creep oblivion, no matter how many times you tell her your favorite movie is The Notebook.

      many girls are just weird themselves. don’t fall for it.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 6:25 pm Matthew Smith

        Feminism has damaged a lot of female minds programming them to blurt out “creep/creepy” at any sign of normal and healthy interest from a man. That’s why I disregard the quips completely because it’s just something girls blurt out.

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 8:17 am Captain Obvious

      kc, setting aside the asininity of Japanese Anime, you also need to work on your PRESENTATION: Your breathing, your pace, your cadence, the depth & sonorousness of your voice, your body language, your kino. Your package needs not only the conversational skillz, but you also the physical presentation of the conversation.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 9:18 am kurtcop

        Always. Japanese anime is an example from some dudes I gave up on.. Think they’re dating some girl three times their size now. Breathing, pace of speech, very important to how what you say is perceived.

        You should be unexpected, directing, relaxed. Standard style of leadership. The key point I was mainly trying to make was just that being unpredictable is different than being unexpected, and girls don’t want an unpredictable leader, they want an unexpected one.

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  9. on April 8, 2016 at 4:27 pm whorefinder

    Funny, women never call men they actually fear “creepy.” Those who genuinely frighten them–they either avoid completely or else throw themselves at. But they’d never risk such men hearing of them calling them “creepy”—for fear of reprisals.

    Guys are called “creepy” when they appear like they won’t physically dominate a woman openly—but might cop a quick feel or be too forward. Guys who actually are civilized enough not to drag a woman home by their hair but socially awkward enough to be mocked.

    In other words, girls call Peeping Toms “creepy”, but Violent Rapists get a pass.

    Choose your life wisely rape!

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 4:32 pm Mr Bigglesworth

      I do feel sorry for the aspie types – especially males. The norms and conventions of yesteryear did at least provide them with fixed social rules to follow, in a clear sequence i.e wear a shirt and tie, be on time, always open the door for her, pay for the meal, ask her about x, y and z.

      A universally understood script could be followed, in an era that was, in terms of courtship, much more forgiving of socially awkward/beta provider men.

      Fast forward to 2016 and it’s Lord of the Flies – live on Instagram. This is the time of the alpha, perhaps more than any other period since the Dark Ages. Not only does the alpha dominate physical, real world interactions, his rampant supremacy is now broadcast for the world to view on social media. For the betas/omegas, their defeat and humiliation no longer ends at the school gates, or the office door, it extends into cyberspace – that eternal torture chamber that maticulously documents the wonderful lives of everyone *except* the incel loner. This is a whole new level of psychology brutality.

      The bitter irony, is the internet was billed as a great equalizer, levelling the playing field for nerds to expand their social horizons. Instead, they find themselves more isolated and unhappy than ever.

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      • on April 8, 2016 at 4:33 pm Mr Bigglesworth

        *psychological*

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 4:39 pm vfm#7634

      What men find creepy and what women do don’t quite match up.

      Men tend to find Ted Cruz creepy (or at least awkward), but women don’t. Ted Cruz is constantly likened to a serial killer — in fact, there’s this dumb meme going around that he’s the Zodiac Killer — but only men seem to react with visceral dislike for him. But chicks dig serial killers, so he managed to end up in the National Enquirer.

      OTOH, women tend to find Jeb Bush creepy/awkward, but men don’t. I suspect one reason he went for a Mexican midget is because his awkwardness was blatantly obvious to white girls but not nearly as much to Coloomba. Women from outside a creepy man’s race / ethnicity / culture won’t see the uncanny valley effect nearly as well as women within his own ethnicity.

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      • on April 12, 2016 at 9:16 am whorefinder

        Yeah, the racial disadvantage for girls on game is real, sort of like how inter-racial identification is a real issue: you are much less likely to be able to tell the difference between two people of a different race than you versus two people of the same race. This applies to all races equally. So much so that some courts require a jury to be told about it if the suspect and the witnesses are different races.

        I’ve found that hitting on non-white girls is easier than whites in general. The newness factor and foreign race factor tends to cover up a lot more of your sins.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 5:09 pm Lucius Somesuch

      Predestined to forfend miscegenation rape!

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    • on April 10, 2016 at 10:39 pm Like a G-6

      It just takes us an extra 10 years of trial/error after high school to develop a more fluid model of socialization (“ride the wave”) rather than a rigid/formal one (“staying the course”). The nice thing about the leftist freak show today is an Aspie can get by covertly being a bit clumsy, so long as he knows a few simple tricks laid bare by CH.

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  10. on April 8, 2016 at 4:30 pm Afterthought

    Could this be a case of heterozygote advantage?

    Too boring: no offspring.

    Too unnerving: no offspring.

    Happy medium: offspring.

    There is a psychiatric category of note here: schizotypal.

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  11. on April 8, 2016 at 4:42 pm Beta Holic

    Would it be fair to say that looks play into this? Yeah, yeah, I’m a total beta and I’ve heard all the lectures about not blaming lack of success on looks. But in this case I do think it plays a part. I can’t ever remember a good looking guy at work or school being called a creep. But seen plenty of average or less than average looking men having the “creep” accusation leveled at them.

    Point being, “creepiness” may have a lot to do with certain behaviors, but I’d assume a good looking guy can get away with a lot more. What is creepy for the ugly dude becomes quirky for the Adonis.

    Time to hit the gym.

    Let’s see if I can break through mod this time…. wonder how many people try to comment here and just give up.

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  12. on April 8, 2016 at 5:02 pm mendo

    snapper sprinkler

    Le chateau FTW! Too lovely.

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  13. on April 8, 2016 at 5:03 pm Organist

    Girls love it when you start an interesting story then ditch it to comment on something else.
    “This one time in a Honduran jail… my goodness look at that cute puppy”
    She’ll try and get you to return to the original story. Don’t do it. She wants the feels.

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  14. on April 8, 2016 at 5:58 pm The Spirit Within

    We all know that nerdo or spergo who can’t let go of a point he’s trying to make over the happy din of a socially-gelling mixed group.

    paging Captain Obvious…

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 6:13 pm plumpjack

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 8:09 am tspark156

        When I saw that gif I immediately thought of Howie (Big Bang Theory, heh) and his Oedipal complex. I suppose some might argue TSW triggers that associational vibe.

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 6:15 pm Matthew Smith

      The Faggot Within’s projecting!

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 7:00 am Captain Obvious

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 7:19 am whorefinder

      rofl. your projection is hilarious, litle faggot.

      Faggot within is a Freudian textbook rape!

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  15. on April 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    This might be the one area in which short guys have an advantage. In college girls would talk forever about this or that guy being creepy. I apparently never qualified, because my lack of stature made me non-threatening in this way. As several girls said: “You’re too cute to ever be creepy!”

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  16. on April 8, 2016 at 7:28 pm FullPatrickBatemann

    I have seen that what may be considered creepiness according to one female, can be viewed as interesting in another. Ch’s last paragraph is important. I have found myself talking and getting nowhere, whereas, if I just shut my mouth, I seem to connect better

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  17. on April 8, 2016 at 7:31 pm How Not To Be The Creep That Chicks Don’t Dig | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  18. on April 8, 2016 at 7:51 pm Ponce du Lion

    How can I improve my conversation skill?
    Roosh’s advice is read books. But if someone has more tips they will welcome

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm Matthew Smith

      One of the best ways is to hang around men who get a lot of women, and take mental notes on how he’s (they’re) doing his (their) thing.

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 7:07 am Captain Obvious

      PdL: The most important thing is that you simply must learn to talk like a complete moron. Any beeyotch who is at least an HB7 will almost certainly have an IQ which is a good standard deviation less than yours. Instead of talking about anything mildly intellectual — such as, I dunno, Jane Austen? — talk instead about fashion [blouses, bras, skirts, belts, stockings] and shoes [shoes are so important that they are a category unto themselves] and cosmetics [call it derisively “painting your face”] and whatnot.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 7:13 am Captain Obvious

        Also, never misunderestimate the power of the SOUND of your voice. Work on training your voice: Speak in a slow cadence, never hurried, and force your voice into the deepest register in which you feel comfortable speaking. Listen to the great voices of the 20th Century – here in the USA, that would be guys like Mario Lanza & Elvis Presley & Johnny Cash – and see whether you can work that sort of sonorousness into your voice. And remember that you diaphragm is your friend, not your lungs, i.e. BREATH WITH YOUR STOMACH, not with your shoulders.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 7:24 am Captain Obvious

        SPERGTARD – Rapid shallow shoulder-breaths leading to hyperventilation, body trembling, palms sweating, high pitched voice, trembling like a mouse, speaking at 110MPH: “OMG, I luv the black fingernail polish. Are you goth? Cause I’m goth!!! We would make such a great couple!!!”

        PLAYAH – One, maybe two very slow deep stomach breaths, lungs filled with air, body at ease, still like a boulder, deep baritone basso voice, slow measured delivery: “Does your father know that you painted your fingernails black? He does? And did you guys have a big fight about it? You didn’t? Well then I reckun I’ll just have to put you over my knee and give you a long hard spanking. You’ve been a very, very naughty girl. Let’s get outta her. NOW.”

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 7:44 am Captain Obvious

        Psychopaths have a huge advantage here in that, lacking empathy, they don’t seem to worry about anything at all [except maybe occasionally worrying about whether they’ll get caught by the LEOs & prosecuted & convicted & imprisoned]. Since must of us here are NOT psychopaths [at least those of us who aren’t working for Director Tamir Pardo & the JIDF], i.e. since most of us actually CARE, the best we can do is to inundate our Inner Frames in ZFG, dispense with worrying about all the nonsense in life, and then maybe faking our way through appearing to not care about the handful of things in life which are actually worth caring about. “Abundance Mentality” helps in these situations, although the core of A.M. consists of viewing your target as just another “Warm Moist Place” to park your rod for the evening [with hundreds or even thousands of other WMP’s already queueing up in line to take her place], which is a rather psychopathically nihilistic approach to sizing up a fellow human being.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 10:27 am Lucius Somesuch

        For you, CO, this approach will work, because you have interesting enough a history and range of interests to span this scale.

        But it’s the kind of advice that projects back upon the less well-rounded an impossible skill set. Essentially it’s the same fallacy involved in the “ownership society” or “Whole Language instruction”. Somebody asks: well, what do successful readers look like? Oh let’s see, it’s as if their eyeballs take in words, entire phrases, at a glance. That’s what successful readers do! So the way we should teach five year-olds is, uhm, teach them to recognize whole words at a glance!

        Your further example about the black nail polish confirms this, because you’re playfully tapping into her insecurities about her “statement”. What in the giddiness of youth seemed to her an important, “edgy” choice quickly shadows over into self-doubt. You make her feel smaller, self-questioning: which, from a generic playa’s perspective, makes her more open, of course. But, from a more sophisticated gentleman’s perspective, makes her more open to falling back upon (should she have the spiritual and mental resources to do so) more resplendent topics of conversation, like Jane Austen.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 12:45 pm Captain Obvious

        LS, my point is that for Spergs [say, IQ 125+], they simply have to dumb it down to the point where they can connect with HB7s [say, IQ 110-]. You can’t be a chemistry major making organic chemistry jokes/negs if your target is a community college grad who is expecting tattoo jokes/negs or bra jokes/negs or high-heel-shoes jokes/negs – at least not if you want to get anywhere with her. tldr; == LEARN TO TALK ST00PID. And do it slowly, in a deep voice, with excellent body language.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 8:40 pm Ponce du Lion

        Good material Cap. I don’t want to be creep, but if you can drop more, better.
        Never thought about voice. Deep, slow cadence voice. I have to try it.

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      • on April 10, 2016 at 1:03 pm Captain Obvious

        PdL, study you’re a hunter – study your prey. Study their cosmetics [cosmetics girlz at the up-scale department stores are a ton of fun to chat with], study their bras [sports bras, leisure bras, formal-wear bras, and learn BRA SIZES for good jokes & negs], study their stockings, study their sanitary shiznat [tampons -vs- pads, and toxic shock syndrome], study their hygiene [yeast infections and UTIs], study their shoes & boots & high-heelz and whatnot. Study everything about them, until you know them better than they know themselves.

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      • on April 10, 2016 at 1:07 pm Captain Obvious

        Chicks L0VE to talk about: Their fingernail polish, their toenail polish, their tattoos [blecchhh!], the new color of their hair, the “SYMBOLISM” of the pagan jewelry that they’re wearing, their handbags [which can cost $1500 to $15,000 or more], blah blah blah blah blah. Also, chicks L0VE to gossip. Start talking to her about e.g. one of her co-workers, and within thirty seconds or so, you’ll know every illegal drug that that co-worker ever took, every dude that that co-worker ever slept with, every out-of-w3dlock b!rth that that co-worker’s aunt is now raising for her, etc etc etc…

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      • on April 10, 2016 at 1:10 pm Captain Obvious

        “study you’re a hunter – study your prey” == YOU’RE a hunger, study your prey. Sorry, everything I post nowadays is riddled with typos.

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  19. on April 8, 2016 at 7:58 pm Amasius

    “White people have this innate thing where they want to feel bad!”

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    • on April 8, 2016 at 9:06 pm plumpjack

      unintentionally funny because it shows a somewhat intelligent, well-meaning black man struggling to put his finger on what makes white people different

      answer: conscience

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 1:46 am Amasius

        But you can have too much of a good thing, resulting in a guilt-ridden suicide cyclone of pathological altruism and ethnomasochism– like we see today. It’s tragic.

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 6:14 am Wrong Side of History

      I’m pretty racist, but Patrice earned a special place in my heart.

      RIP

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 7:22 am whorefinder

        Patrice was one of those few black guys you wanted to hang out with. He was what you were promised blacks were like growing up—just like non-blacks, except with black skin.

        But we grew up and found out the Patrice’s and Theo Huxtables and Clarence Thomas’s were the rare exception, not the rule.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 10:56 am Ripp

        rare exception smart special ni66er rape!

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  20. on April 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm cptnemo2013

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

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  21. on April 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm cortesar

    It is hard to believe that these people ruled the world 100 years ago
    These days in the land of lord Chesterton depravity reigns supreme,
    beauty and grace have been banished perhaps never to return
    This is the age of the vulgar cunt but I repeat myself

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    • on April 10, 2016 at 2:06 am LAP

      The British were always licentious, with the possible exception of the Victorians. Georgian Britain liked smut, sex and whores as much as anyone.

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  22. on April 8, 2016 at 10:59 pm Harland

    All “creepy” means is that a woman is uncomfortable with a man’s natural sexual desire. That’s it!

    Why does she feel uncomfortable? She has judged him as unsuitable for mating, and the unconscious thought of her somehow coming to bear his child is deeply unsettling. Moreover she feels – and this is where creepy is – ANYONE ELSE bearing his child would be wrong as well.

    This is why women have zero sympathy towards these unfortunate men and will go to great lengths to harm or expel them. Women will get really vicious and feel that they are completely justified in doing so. Because in their own minds – they are.

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  23. on April 8, 2016 at 11:29 pm The Word from the Dark Side, 4/9/16 | SovietMen

    […] not to be the creep that girls don’t like – science weighs […]

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  24. on April 8, 2016 at 11:38 pm Doktor Jeep

    So basically, don’t be this guy.

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  25. on April 9, 2016 at 12:50 am Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Of course healthy women have evolved an instinctual avoidance of the “creepy” types who to try to obtain what they desire through sneakiness rather than confident direct confrontation.

    I’m waiting for the study that explains that shitlords have evolved a natural disgust for the pajama-boys and LGBTQ alphabet-soup-mess that would pose the tribe danger if invited to join hunt or battle against rival tribes.

    We’ll probably be waiting a long time on that one…

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  26. on April 9, 2016 at 7:12 am Wrong Side of History

    Hitler (peace be upon him) was a creepo. Der fuhrer’s early romantic life is a pretty rough read.

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 8:01 am uh

      He is one of the rare creeps who made it big-time to moisten vaginas across the land. STILL NO PROGENY.

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      • on April 9, 2016 at 1:08 pm Lucius Somesuch

        hey Sarah. did your grandparents survive the hol0caust by giving out 23andme tests on U-boats on the way to Argentina?

        we thank them for their service

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 6:27 pm Reb

      He banged his niece a lot.

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  27. on April 9, 2016 at 8:09 am Tarl

    As for lip smacking and licking, don’t do it.

    And the guy at the pool in Scarface (2:30 in the clip) — don’t be him.

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    • on April 10, 2016 at 11:21 am Tarl Cabot

      True. But in real life Steven Bauer dates a 20 year old (at 58).

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  28. on April 9, 2016 at 8:16 am anonymous

    Some women whip out “creepy” fastter than Mattie Ross whips out Lawyer J. Noble Daggett.

    They learned that they can shut a guy down fast with that label. They throw it on any guy, not just real creeps.

    I wish women who only have a good time by destroying guys would just stay home. In my nightclub, i have a standing rule that if a guy complains that a women is being a bitch, she gets tossed.

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  29. on April 9, 2016 at 9:25 am beta schlub pond scum

    meta-death….. that does kind of describe my life… even when i am off having fun. the question is, can this old dog learn new tricks? if i’ve not mastered the art of seduction by 40 (something most at least learn by 25) is there really any hope? and after “crazy” and “smart”, creepy is the third most used adjective to describe me. fuck.

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    • on April 9, 2016 at 2:25 pm Marc

      I’m here to tell you, yes. Keep reading the archives.
      Oh and today is squat (not “leg”) day. Monday is deadlift (not “back”) day). Not so much for the muscles as for the self-confidence — if that is one of your issues.
      Buying a gun and going to the range is good too. You’ll need this anyway when shtf.
      But whatever your issues are — yes. Just keep reading, and practicing. I wish I’d had this at 40.

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    • on April 10, 2016 at 1:57 am LAP

      BSPS: “the question is, can this old dog learn new tricks? ”

      Well of course you can, says this 55 year old. Who just last night had the pleasure of making a 25 yo Canadian chicklet, spontaneously blush – a magical thing to behold. I hadn’t said anything particular ( no smut ), just asked her to do a mildly pointless thing for me. Which she realised she wanted to do.

      I’m reasonably fit, 6’1″, grey hair, articulate and in good health, I dress conservatively – don’t go to the gym, but do work out at home – ten twenty minutes every other day. Walk 2 miles e/w to work daily, the number of ‘iois’ I get doing that alone is pretty pleasing.

      Direct eye contact, head up, open body language. Girls, lap that shit up!

      Downside? You have to fight off the divorcee second time around munters, who think ‘cos your old, you’re obliged to like them.

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  30. on April 9, 2016 at 10:12 am hard9bf

    Chicks use ‘creepy’ and ‘weird’ as shorthand for “I’d never ever let you near my gash” usually because she’s doesn’t like a man’s looks. Simples. For all their verbal dexterity, the content and quality of women’s words is minimal.

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  31. on April 9, 2016 at 11:49 am Evan Eng

    Am in Singapore where pretty chicks are stupid high status and the market is over stocked w betas- almost ANY remark made to a girl has creepy risk, in a pent up social environment. we still have to shoot, so “let it go” is great … and yes many guys just don’t , more (relaxed) power to me : )

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  32. on April 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm theasdgamer

    I was at a bar last night and all of a sudden I was a leper. Before that, girls were clamoring to dance with me. (Ok, I exaggerate a tad, so sue me.) Got back to my truck and realized that nasal secretions had built up. I don’t usually dance for five hours. I have to change my routine at the bar–maintenance check every half hour or hour after three hours of dancing. Too bad, there were a few hotties that were hooked.

    tl; dr If you are exerting yourself in a social situation–like dancing a lot–check your appearance from time to time. Maybe hourly or if all of a sudden you are getting unexpectly poor results.

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  33. on April 9, 2016 at 1:37 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Another comment disappeared. Maybe I should start using a proxy?

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  34. on April 9, 2016 at 7:17 pm Mr Meaner

    One thing I’ve noticed about spergo types in group settings is that they’ll address an individual instead of addressing the whole group. They’ll take an individual’s attention away from the group dynamic and talk to them one-on-one. It’s almost as if they peak who they think is either the weakest target or the most polite person who won’t tell them to GAGF.

    This also works in reverse to CH’s theory – instead of flogging a dead horse, they’ll actually inexplicably change the subject of a conversation thread that was flowing perfectly.

    It’s because they’re unable to keep pace with the social airs and graces of a group dynamic.

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    • on April 10, 2016 at 3:05 am Hector

      http://www.wikihow.com/Win-an-Argument-when-You-Know-You-Are-Wrong

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  35. on April 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm Johnny Redux

    “Think I’m creepy, ehhhh….?”

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    • on April 11, 2016 at 10:47 am Big-Al

      Lol great movie

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  36. on April 10, 2016 at 11:46 am Singlebass

    I think a woman finds it creepy when a man is obviously interested in her but won’t approach, instead staying outside the perimeter, furtively lurking and glancing.
    I have tried to inculcate this principle in my sons. If you see a cute girl, and make eye contact, your feet need to start moving right then. Every second you wait to approach after that, your undesirability/repulsiveness/weirdness quotient starts climbing rapidly.
    And if you wait very long at all, don’t bother. You’re now a garden variety dude who can’t approach and won’t bust a move.
    Just another nutless boob with no game and no confidence.
    A creep.

    It’s a beautiful day.
    Let’s get out, get those feet moving, and talk to some girls!
    I’m leaving the house right now. Are you with me?

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  37. on April 11, 2016 at 12:47 pm fakeemail

    I don’t agree that all the men that women get the “creepy” vibe from are actually spergs and tards.

    Introverted men who don’t like the womany female small talk get thrown in the “creepy” crowd. And often, these are really good men.

    A woman doesn’t know a good man in front of her face. She calls him “creepy” as she cackles away in gossipy stupid small talk with some faggot and orbiters.

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  38. on April 16, 2016 at 11:30 am disenchantedscholar

    Reblogged this on Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar and commented:
    CH manages to completely ignore the findings of a scientific study because pick-up isn’t a scam, guys, and don’t you dare ever question the results, like how it only targets a niche of already-damaged goods. Don’t ask certain questions, like how normal, healthy women see the invasion of personal boundaries and non-consensual touching as a thing that makes you a Bad Person they avoid. Women aren’t allowed to have opinions on their own bodies, men are entitled to go around groping and touching whoever they want – unless they’re refugees, then it’s suddenly a sign of savagery.

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