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The Thirsty Beta Male Analogue Is The Thirsty Omega Female

June 14, 2016 by CH

Commenter maldek regurgitates a shopworn belief among a certain set of manospherians concerning the ability of LSMV women to get sex.

Women at 58 – even much worse looking and overweight women – CAN get dates easily.

No they can’t. More on this below.

They can get as much sex as they want easily. Quantity is not a problem.

Yes it is. More on this below.

The problem is, the quality of mate. Dates are from younger guys who can get laid in their own age group or younger so they date older. Or from guys their own age or older who are in one way or the other SMV rejects and have no other options.

Man with options with an SMV of 7 or higher can and prefer to date younger pussy. This hurts the old hotty even more than it hurts the overweight ex-housewife, because she is used to male attention of the 8+ area and now has to decide between low quality flesh and high quality plastic inside of her lady parts. More often than not, its the later.

Look, you don’t need SCIENCE! to tell you that fat, ugly, and old chicks have trouble getting laid. If you enjoy a halfway-respectable social life, you’ll notice time and again that the unattractive girls show up to parties and events alone, and leave alone, no man to escort them home for post-party boffing. It happens so often no one really blinks an eye, because it’s expected. If you DO need SCIENCE!, please consult the CH archives for studies clearly finding that fat chicks have sex less often than slender babes.

In the real world, fatties, fuglies, oldies and, less frequently, super hot sexpot ingenues with a case of BPD, are the ones who never seem to have a boyfriend when they meet up with their social groups. The sexpots are BF-less for a different reason: they play the field so much they’ve forgotten how to identify a quality man worth slowing down for and stashing the crazy in the crawl space.

The SMV hierarchy of “ease of getting laid” looks like this (note that ease of getting laid does not necessarily imply fulfillment of sex opportunities), in descending order of ease:

Alpha females (HB 8s, 9s and 10s)
Super Alpha males
Beta females
Alpha males
Beta males
Omega females
Omega males

Fat, ugly and old women are essentially omega females in the sexual market, and that’s reflected in the fact they have as much, perhaps more, trouble getting laid as do garden variety beta males. In line with what we know about biomechanics and sex differences in reproductive goals, Omega Females are the instant sexual access equivalent of Beta Males. They don’t get sex offers, direct or indirect, as often as prettier girls, and when they do get laid it’s usually with flings who aren’t their first choice and who don’t even feign a promise of commitment to a longer term agreement.

Omega males have it the worst, and can often go years without so much as a whiff of womb flower.

(Note the curiosity that beta females — 4s, 5s, and 6s — have an easier time getting laid than regular alpha males. The cheapness of sperm guarantees that even alpha males have to put a little legwork in to find a willing buyer.)

So while it is true that in general women can get sex easier than can men, in the particulars we see that this truth varies by the sexual marketability of the woman in question, just as it does for men. What we can say with certainty that applies to all men and women is that the curve for women’s “ease of getting laid” is shifted to the rawdog right of the same curve for men. But there are still plenty of women on the left side of their sex-getting curve who languish as insols for uncomfortable lengths of time.

There’s another psychological dynamic that puts the lie to the “ugly girls can get laid whenever they want” mantra. Women simply don’t emotionally or mentally process their ability to get laid the same way men do for themselves. If a fat chick can slum it with a piss-stained bum, that’s no comfort to her ego. Even if she has an easier time getting hobo dick than a similarly LSMV man has getting fatty furrow, that reality won’t resonate with a positive assessment of her self-conception.

Succinctly, women don’t count loser men as validation of their sexual desirability, (just as they don’t count vacation sex or anal sex as points toward their lifetime partner count). A bum willing to fuck a fat chick just won’t register in her brain as evidence that she can get laid whenever she wants. For women, the only men that register as proof positive of their feminine allure are quality men with options who have willingly chosen them over others, instead of having been chosen because the woman was desperate.

Some manosphere types (and a lot of bitterbitch feminists) forget this because, just like feminists, they frequently dupe themselves into projecting their male sensibilities onto women. That never works. Notch count, and the ability to inflate it, has a different meaning for men and women. However, their wrongness on this subject does spring from a premise with a small kernel of truth: ultimately, sex-getting comparisons between men and women are inherently flawed, because women are, barring exceptions, the receiving sex, and men are the achieving sex. Women wait to receive the sex of a bold sex-getting man emotionally judged worthy of their reception, while men are moved to action to achieve the sex of a beautiful sex-receiving woman penilely judged worthy of their injection.

Because of this intractable psychological and behavioral difference between the sexes, it’s difficult to say with precision that this man and that woman have equal capabilities to easily get laid. The man may have a shy personality or religious feeling that limits his easy sex opportunities, and the woman may be surrounded by timid men who incidentally limit her easy sex opportunities. For this reason, the evidence that fat chicks can’t get laid easily is even more damning than at first blush, given that they have to betray their native womanhood and allow emotional distress into their lives when they chase after men to get the sex they aren’t getting by waiting around passively for a man to approach them unsolicited.

In the big picture, though, the Thirsty Beta Male = Thirsty Omega Female formulation is a useful shorthand. Refer to this post the next time some butthurt blowhard goes on at length about how women have it so great because even the ugly ones can get sex on demand.

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  1. on June 14, 2016 at 4:17 pm Southern Man

    Hmmm. As part of the over-fifty crowd, many friends are in the same demographic. I note that many fifty-ish women in my circle – overweight, out of shape, not particularly attractive – do in fact have boyfriends. But those boyfriends are all desperate betas, or worse.

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  2. on June 14, 2016 at 4:24 pm Corvo

    Is this what it’s going to feel like after Trump becomes president and we win, and we win, and we win, and people start to say, “man, I’m tired of winning all the time!” but we just keep on winning and winning and winning some more . . .

    The bounty of CH posts that just keep coming one after another is tough to keep up with . . . so much winning.

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 6:06 pm mendo

      I think so. Today was a good CH day o’blogging. Each one on point and good food for thought.

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  3. on June 14, 2016 at 4:32 pm Captain Obvious

    How come the Manosphere always jumps from Alpha to Beta to “Omega”. Whatever happened to “Gamma”? There are other uses of the term “Omega” which I vastly prefer [Je$us as the Alpha & Omega; Charlton Heston as the Omega Man, etc].

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 4:49 pm vfm#7634

      “Gamma” is from Vox Day’s more complicated classification system. Like “Sigma”, it spread somewhat because it succinctly describes a certain type.

      Gammas are lesser Betas and are about equal to Omega females. (Which is why they match with each other a lot.) They’re distinguished from regular Betas by being a particularly virulent and pathetic strain that madly virtue-signal, put women up on pedestals, and hate hate hate Alphas. What’s worse, they’re extremely proud and deluded, and think they should actually be running things and getting the women, and only don’t because those dastardly Alphas manipulate people so well.

      Think of all those cucks who really hate Trump, or the vast majority of non-gay hipsters, or liberal white men in general.

      Regular Betas don’t act like this. They may do dumb things with women and aren’t overly self-confident, but they don’t have a mad martyr/male feminist complex.

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      • on June 14, 2016 at 5:00 pm Captain Obvious

        My point is that the word “Omega” used to have an epically magical sense of shitlordery to it – The Omega was The Shitlord of shitlords.

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      • on June 14, 2016 at 5:24 pm vfm#7634

        Omega has to be reserved for those at the very bottom of the stack. I think “Sigma” is intended to capture the sense of what you’re talking about

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 5:37 am Captain Obvious

        Right, but what the Manosphere now calls “Sigma” was classically called “Omega”.

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  4. on June 14, 2016 at 4:52 pm Mario

    Spot on. Alpha male has to put up more work than beta female , great point. IMO on top of the “ease of getting laid pyramid” it is beta F over alpha F. Due to more Fs given (also literally) , they are approached way more often and also like to prove themselves.

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  5. on June 14, 2016 at 4:56 pm IHTG

    Do the HB10s find it hard to get laid than the HB9s? You’ve said something to that note in the past.

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 7:15 pm theasdgamer

      HB10s are looking for a man who’s an 11…a billionaire plumber MMA who dances like Fred Astaire. They settle for a 10 and Hamsterize that he’s really an 11.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 5:37 am Captain Obvious

        LOL’ed.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 5:43 am Captain Obvious

        What the 10s don’t realize, however, is that it only lasts for maybe ten years – 17 to 27 for the early bloomers; 22 to 32 for the late bloomers. And then it’s gone. Forever. Fathers Who Care have to hammer this horribleTruth into their little girlzes upbringings from day one: Isolate your Peak Alpha target, get him liquored up a few days before you 0vulate, do your duty with him, and get his bun in your oven, WHILE YOU STILL HAVE IT. Because in another five years, he ain’t gonna give you the time of day.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 6:36 am elmer

        Carpenter. Plumbers make more money than doctors but have their hands in poop all day.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 6:49 am plumpjack

        “a billionaire plumber MMA who dances like Fred Astaire…”

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  6. on June 14, 2016 at 5:03 pm maldek

    “women have it so great because even the ugly ones can get sex on demand.”

    Never did I say that old or ugly women have it great. The young and hot women DO have it great but from say age 35-40 upwards, the game is very much in favor of men.

    However, in our modern age with smartphones and tinder&co I had to accept that women – even age 50+ and not exactly hot – do get fucked IF they make clear they are available for casual sex. This is a fact. I can provide prove in the form of data as needed. Other than that, everything you wrote in this article is spot on and i couldnt aggree more.

    Casual sex is nothing that makes such a woman happy. Not at all. They are not like men, where we can say a notch is a notch. They die a little bit each passing week. These women are NOT happy and they envy every man who is their age or older with a hot woman on his side.

    When older women see the trump and his wife, it hurts them. He can do, what they can not – get a second or third chance in the sexual market. This is the exact spot where feminism fails. Provide older women with the same market options established men have. For this reason we have such an epidemic of 40+ women who are so desperate and so alone.

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 6:49 pm Greg Eliot

      You’re right, I’ve seen it myself… for every less-than-desirable woman to a man with options, there are three betas and even more omegas that will wine and dine them… up to an including m-a-r-r-i-a-g-e.

      Just because it ain’t really the men they want is immaterial… point is, even the fugs and has-beens will still get as much male attention as they allow.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 8:11 am Scanman

        Previous comment was eaten.

        This jives with my experience as well. Divorced, overweight, peri/post menopausal lesser beta mothers have no shortage of doting suitors who actually compete for their attention. High SMV men? Nope, but normal looking/acting guys with jobs who are invariably in much better shape than the women.

        Don’t know what else to say about it other than to call it what it is: disgraceful.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 8:33 am Scanman

        If a woman is online, under 60, has both eyes and most of her teeth and limbs, she is going to get attention from men. More attention than a lot of guys would even believe. This is something entirely new in the world and it has undoubtably warped the psyches of low-mid SMV females and forever negatively altered the dating landscape for all non-alpha men.

        My advice to the Everyman who retains a sense of dignity: never go within 400 yards of an online dating site. It’s a wasteland. RWG (real world game) + ZFG = Fun

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 11:34 am Anton

      Yep, I gotta agree with Maldek here. CH went all Rollo over this topic, making it a lot more complicated than it really is.

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  7. on June 14, 2016 at 5:48 pm Sorcerygod

    Once a woman hits the Wall, she adjusts by being a little friendlier and more pleasing and open to men in her life. My one time nurse-practitioner/shrink really liked me, because I seemed interesting and attractive, and she was in her 40s — she invited me to call her when our official time together was over. I did call her once … at the time, I was scheming in a certain direction. There was another guy who knew the nurse practitioner, and I told him that I wanted to talk to her more (a lie). He advised me against it, and then, stupidly, he undoubtedly told her about his stopping me from contacting her. All blame was shifted onto his shoulders, no doubt, and I was free of her post-Wall clutches.

    I’m certain that most of this comment will be opaque to readers, but I just want to clue you in a little to my life. I live my life by, essentially, manipulating others. I walk a bit of a dangerous tightrope. Although I am good-looking and competent and capable, I have chosen a life-path full of risks and abominations that safety-seekers nonce have to discover or encounter.

    Sorcerygod lives.

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 5:59 pm Corvo

      “I live my life by, essentially, manipulating others.”

      View post on imgur.com

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      • on June 14, 2016 at 6:52 pm Greg Eliot

        (((sorceryheadcase)))

        Conjuring up a whole lotta (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 9:35 pm Hi, I'm a total faggot!

      You are my hero!

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    • on June 14, 2016 at 10:03 pm cortesar

      You are indeed a special kind of ((( sociopath))) so this my gift to you

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 4:09 am Amasius

        Those tits for VP.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 6:41 am Scanman

        Art — The fact that she’s standing in front of an oven wearing “eat me” PJs is a nice touch and makes the whole thing work on several levels.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 12:43 pm Col Nicholson

        wtf is that? tactical nursing bra?

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 11:58 am Robert

      Patrick Bateman? Is that you?

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  8. on June 14, 2016 at 6:16 pm Ironpusher

    Hobo dick.

    LOLOLOLOOOZZZZZ!!!!

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  9. on June 14, 2016 at 6:42 pm glaivester

    Succinctly, women don’t count loser men as validation of their sexual desirability, (just as they don’t count vacation sex or anal sex as points toward their lifetime partner count). A bum willing to fuck a fat chick just won’t register in her brain as evidence that she can get laid whenever she wants.

    Isn’t that what maldek was saying when he said it’s not quantity but quality? She can have sex whenever she wants, but not necessarily with anyone she would actually want to have it with.

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  10. on June 14, 2016 at 7:07 pm Hackett To Bits

    maldek, Dr. CH has the cure you need:

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  11. on June 14, 2016 at 7:12 pm Driver

    The hamster is still strong in these older (and uglier) women. They are still going to rationalize to the hilt on why they date this way (up or down) or who they date at the time. It’s always the hamster working the wheel with these women.

    The fact that older men can (and do) get access to younger women really pisses them off (especially the older ones who used to get all of that attention). These type of older women hate younger, hotter women because they now have all of that attention that they once had over men. You’ll always hear these older women make comments (bad) about the man, the younger woman or both…because the jealousy is real.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 5:49 am Captain Obvious

      From the point of view of Darwinian Nihilism, it’s not clear to me why the Hamster still persists after menopause – why it doesn’t just curl up and die? I guess classically [15K or 20K years ago], very few hominids survived past the age of 30? Or did the post-menopausal Cro-Magnon female still need her hamster because she’d quickly starve to death if she wasn’t pleasing the local tribe’s reigning Alpha?

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 5:57 am plumpjack

        it’s an interesting question, cap. not only does it not die, it seems to get a dose of PEDs.

        if I woman’s prime directive is to procreate, why all the extra biological energy being expended on seeking male attention later in life? one last quick fix I guess.

        maybe the wiring is fried for good after 30. I’ve met very few well adjusted older females in my life. the ones with kids/grandkids seem to only slightly less loony than the spinsters. am I missing something?

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 11:40 am Anton

        Habit?

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 1:16 pm oink

        no.

        you are right.

        the only sane old ones are those that had a long education (I mean decades) under the steady hand of an alpha. And even then rough edges show here and there.

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  12. on June 15, 2016 at 3:14 am Libertardian

    Breitbart:

    “GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois said Trump’s comments could be used to radicalize uneducated Muslims.

    “I guess I appreciate Mr. Trump’s fieriness in talking about it, and strength, but you don’t do it by alienating the very people we need and those are moderate Muslims,” said Kinzinger.”

    Evidently Muslims are the new “natural conservatives”. The GOP is literally crawling around on the floor in search of someone to capitulate to.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 3:50 am Amasius

      The republicucks are utterly depraved, and worse than the democrats.

      LoL @ the stupid “moderate” muslim meme. “Moderates” aid and abet the “extremists,” and at any time these “moderates” can become “radicalized” into extremism and kill a bunch of people.

      Why do we need muslims at all? Does it ever cross their bull-prepping brains to ask that question? Every White country that has tried this nutty experiment of importing lots of muslims has suffered horribly for it. We know they contribute absolutely nothing: the best they can possibly do is look unsightly and sponge off welfare. Usually, they hunt and violate women and little boys and periodically kill a bunch of people. Nobody needs any of this crap. REMOVE KEBAB, REMOVE KEBAB, REMOVE KEBAB.

      It’s simple. I hope Trump goes there if they keep crying. Cut that Gordian Knot.

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      • on June 15, 2016 at 3:03 pm Libertardian

        “An ISIS supporting jihadi massacres Americans, and the Tough On Terror™ party is converting it to a political loss:
        [Breitbart headline saying Mitch McConnell is now “open” to gun control]”

        and:

        “WASHINGTON (AP) — Dismayed Republicans scrambled for cover Tuesday from Donald Trump’s inflammatory response to the Orlando massacre, while President Barack Obama and Democrat Hillary Clinton delivered fiery denunciations that underscored the potential peril for the GOP.”

        These people are controlled opposition. Plain and simple.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 8:40 pm vfm#7634

      Not quite. They could capitulate to Trump, but they don’t want to. Too much real talk. Makes their head hurt.

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  13. on June 15, 2016 at 3:57 am Ripp

    “For women, the only men that register as proof positive of their feminine allure are quality men with options who have willingly chosen them over others, instead of having been chosen because the woman was desperate.”

    Knowledge most men never figure out. great post CH.

    Makin’ America Great Again

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  14. on June 15, 2016 at 4:57 am Dildozer

    Hello,
    Does anyone know if straight up asking a woman about her age can be a Game strategy? They are sensitive about it and maybe some qualification can follow up

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 5:52 am Captain Obvious

      Oh he11 yes. But be clever about it – maybe even try for a double entendre. Force her to put on her thinking cap and ponder it for a second.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 6:04 am Hackett To Bits

      It’s very much in bounds.

      “So how old are you?”

      a: she responds with a number

      Furrow your brow in a way that suggests your standards have not quite been met…
      “Hmmm, I thought you were older / younger”.

      b: she resists giving a number

      “Oh I get it, you’re old enough for Social Security”.

      The facts don’t matter…your presence as a man who dares to prod a sensitive topic is what matters.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 6:22 am plumpjack

      if you were buying a used car wouldn’t you want to know what year it was?

      whether asking her age qualifies as game is less relevant than whether her age qualifies her for your life plan.

      if a girl looks 25 but is actually 38, that’s a big problem. if she looks 25 but is actually 16 that’s another big problem. but if she’s in the age right range to be a keeper (19-25, still under the factory warranty) then her age isn’t going to make much difference.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm vfm#7634

      If you want to know her age, just ask her.

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  15. on June 15, 2016 at 6:27 am Mean Mr. Mustard

    From August 2015.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 2:22 pm Amasius

      The corrupt feds just threw out his lawsuit against Lyin’ Chris Kyle for no reason, so he’s got even more motivation to help Make America Great Again.

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  16. on June 15, 2016 at 8:35 am bpechek

    Now that you mention it, the “women can get laid whenever they want” argument probably goes both ways. Seems most people, regardless of gender, could end a dry spell by sufficiently lowering their standards to include the homeless, elderly, deformed, and insane.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 11:44 am Anton

      CH addressed this point: “What we can say with certainty that applies to all men and women is that the curve for women’s “ease of getting laid” is shifted to the rawdog right of the same curve for men.”

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  17. on June 15, 2016 at 9:14 am plumpjack

    this just keeps getting better. a family from Nebraska visiting (((Disney))) resort in Florida has their child grabbed and eaten by an alligator. the PR vultures are coming home to roost, in the panhandle of all places:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/15/search-underway-alligator-drags-toddler-disney-resort-lake/

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  18. on June 15, 2016 at 10:59 am Radagast

    Seems like the alpha male would have the easiest time getting laid unless we’re just talking about each in a vacuum. HB10’s will often be checked socially from sexual opportunities. Even in the hyper-feminist college town I live in it’s still frowned upon for uber hot chicks to sloot it up. Not sure why that isn’t factored in. Plus they’re more content to be in satisfying LTRs.

    In an isolated encounter there is likely less mental effort involved for a beautiful woman to get laid, but I’m not sure that translates to it actually being easier when you factor in other elements over time. Think of the rockstars of yesteryear. Led Zeppelin or any stadium-filling 80s hair band. Dudes were fucking 2-3 women a night every night of a 6 month tour.

    Contrast that to a HB10: sure she could feasibly get laid whenever she wants, but she lacks the hardwiring to desire constant sex with different partners like an alpha male does, and she’s socially disincentivized to pursue constant sex with different partners over snaring the most alpha male she can.

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    • on June 15, 2016 at 8:55 pm vfm#7634

      Dimes are less likely to get laid simply because they’re choosier. They’re very intolerant of beta behavior, but they’re more willing to give apparent alphas a shot.

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  19. on June 15, 2016 at 11:54 am jackmcg

    Muslims seem to have unquestionable status in the MSM/politics, but (((they))) don’t push them in Hollywood the way they do w/blacks. That’s interesting. My working theory is that there is just no way to make Muslims look attractive enough so they aren’t marketable and thus don’t make primetime. Same with Mexicans.

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