I’ve argued (in this post and indirectly as a question in the Dating Market Value Test for Men) that raw smarts isn’t especially relevant to a man’s romantic success. A high IQ may help in the mate market, but probably won’t help nearly as much as nerds hope.
The best that can be said for having a quick wit as a man is that it’s associated with perceived charisma, which is sexually attractive to women. (And that’s how I see it in everyday life; the charming men have a silver tongue lubed by white matter to spare.)
Another net benefit of male high IQ may be a slightly increased desirability as a long-term relationship prospect. Women seeking long-term lovers will place greater emphasis on those male character traits that suggest a willingness to settle down and get to the job of providing for her future brood.
Mostly, though, high IQ is largely superfluous to pickup, beyond what it can do to elevate a man’s witty repartee.
Reader zdeno adds to the Heatristian judgment on male IQ and sexual success:
In my mental model of game and genetics, everyone is imbued with two qualities that are both mostly genetic: 1) Natural game, i.e. good looks, charm, athleticism, social acumen, and 2) Ability to consciously improve game through applied effort, i.e. intelligence, conscientiousness, openness to experience.
What percentage of people have the intellectual ability to actually read about and understand the evolutionary background of human female sexual behaviour? Or even just memorize routines?
Style, Mystery, TD and others like them had weak natural game, but could understand and apply theoretical game very well. Someone like gunwitch had strong natural game plus a reasonably above-average ability to apply new concepts.
FYI, old-timer PUA Gunwitch was arrested for domestic assault a couple years ago, if I recall correctly.
So on one hand, you have the anti-PUA’s who claim that game is generally ineffective, attractiveness is immutable, etc. They are idiots. But there are also a lot of new-agey, “all-of-your-limits-are-in-your-MIND” PUA’s who are equally unrealistic. A short, ugly, slow-witted man who dutifully studies game will never out-seduce a smarter, better-looking man who puts in the same amount of effort.
This is generally true (although I have seen instances of dumber men out-seducing smarter men, simply because the former didn’t get caught up in their heads, and had a street urchin’s facility with spontaneous badinage). But I agree with zdeno’s overall point that more IQ — UP TO A POINT — is better than less IQ in the realm of romance. I qualify my agreement because I’ve known too many men with stratospheric IQ who suffered from debilitating personality flaws, like social ineptitude, weirdness, creepiness, or jarring body language tics.
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Reader johnny caustic chimes in:
What is the _reason_ why humanity’s most brilliant writers couldn’t figure out what women are sexually attracted to over several millennia?
Well, to be fair, a lot of brilliant writers did in fact figure out what women want. The problem is that their insights keep being ignored by the generations that follow.
Because the markers of a man’s fitness have to be _difficult_to_fake_, so a woman isn’t easily fooled into falling for a less fit man. Evolution programmed women to respond to male behaviors that males don’t recognize as being special at all, because those are the most reliable indicators. Guys wind up thinking that women are primarily attracted to money or looks or expensive cars because they literally don’t perceive the very traits in men that are getting women wet.
Good point. This is why the concept of game is so difficult to grasp for so many; and, in fact, a lot of game principles — like body language, qualification, negs, and kino escalation — are a bit esoteric for the less-than-averagely smart man to comprehend. You can’t improve your attractiveness to women if you have no clue what women find attractive, and if in fact your male cluelessness is an extended phenotype of women’s inscrutable mate selection criteria.
Some claim that Game operates on a premise of flawed female detection. That is, Game exploits a bug in the female mate acquisition algorithm, leveraging the fact that women subconsciously resort to short-cuts and proxy cues to ascertain a man’s alpha bed cred. Now of course, male looks are hard to spoof (although looks can be improved with better framing, i.e., more stylish clothes), but many other male attractiveness traits are spoof-able. (Even wealth. There’s a known pickup trick in circulation involving the use of fake ATM receipts.) Game, under the Flawed Female Detection theory, is essentially a system for changing the optics of an average man to resemble that of an HSMV man with social status, charm, power, dominance, and (perhaps most crucially) ZERO FUCKS GIVEN outcome independence aka sexual market options.
So, a case can be made for the FFD theory, but an equally valid case can be made for the theory that women are perfectly attuned to what they want in men, just as men are, and that a significant part of what women want are men with the charming/asshole-y/jerkish/PUA behavior that Game attempts to deliver. This latter contra-FFD theory rejects the notion that jerkboy charisma is a cue for some other, nebulously related, male trait, and asserts instead that the jerkboy charisma ITSELF is a male attractiveness trait that women conspicuously desire.
This Fine-tuned Female Detection theory of female mate choice elegantly explains why it is not all that uncommon to see a man with no job or looks who somehow manages to hook up with scores of women through sheer confidence and swagger; the attitude he projects is a SELF-EVIDENTLY HOT COMMODITY, because women crave the love of men who act like they know women crave their love.

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If you’re a dude with a High IQ trying to learn Game, then be forewarned that ALL of your delivery must finely tuned to the IQ of the target. E.g. the joke which would make an IQ 130 med/law/mba-school chick laugh would soar right over the head of an IQ 100 cashier chick. This can be very, very difficult to adjust to when you’re coming out of a bookish life. And it isn’t even as broad as your conversation topics – just narrowly, within single sentences, you’ll be about to express a thought with a 5-syllable word in it, and suddenly your nerd-filter will have to kick in, and in a fraction of a tenth of a second you’ll have to try to think of a [non-arcane] 1- or 2-syllable substitute for the 5-syllable word.
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tldr; == IT’S NOT EASY TO FAKE DUMB. Be prepared to invest some elbow grease & sweat equity in the unlearning of it.
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Agreed. I lost count of how many time’s I told a girl I was in school for an MBA and she’d say “Oh so you play basketball?”.
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David (((Weschler))) is considered by many to be the grandfather of modern IQ testing. if I wasn’t such a stoopid backwards goy, I might have a sneaking suspicion that IQ tests are designed to favor a certain type of intelligence which is more prevalent in a certain parasitic tribe.
I’m disappointed that you missed this, cap.
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And it’s not just humor – it’s communication style that may need to be calibrated for the target.
One of the obstacles that higher-IQ men have in gaming lesser-IQ women is the speaking style solidly embedded in his psyche works as a buzzkill for lesser-IQ women. It’s an obstacle that can be surmounted with some practice, but, sometimes, when you’re in your comfort zone, it can be easy to lapse into higher-brow prattle.
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> “lapse into higher-brow prattle” ——— Which will induce cardiac arrest in The Hamster, and the poor little rodent will immediately keel over, dead as a doornail, and all attempts at resuscitating it will fail. A big part of faking dumb is learning to grit your teeth and to keep your d@mned mouth shut. For any [and every] opener/neg/joke you’re practicing at home, see if you can’t figure out a way to pare its word length [or syllable count] by 33% or 50% or more.
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Once was out with a girl and I told her my job was lax. She thought I worked at the airport.
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> “I told her my job was lax” ——— But if you’d said that to an athletic chick at a Universitardery, she’d have assumed that you were an assistant coach for the Lacrosse team.
Everything has to be finely tuned to the target at hand.
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BTW, if she does assume that you’re an assistant coach with the Lacrosse team, then GO WITH IT. ‘Cause Lacrosse players are world class jerks, and, well, you do the math from there, Mr Big Brain…
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I’ll keep that in mind:
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Totally blown away by this post. Gotta read it multiple times to just let it work on me.
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Yeah, he’s really good, isn’t it?
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@CEO
That was really funny! You should start your own blog! The world needs your insights.
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People with higher IQ tend to spend more time in government schools. Government schools brainwash males into believing the female imperative narrative.
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Being fucking smart ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. Consider the case of some guy with an IQ of 140, top 2%. To him, he is normal. Average. But to him, the average person on the street (IQ 100) is retarded – a full 40 points lower. It’s like the average guy from our world living in a world where the average IQ was 60. People are fucking retards to these people.
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Ahh, but I left off the best part. Nobody is smart enough to realize how stupid they are. So imagine our average 100 IQ guy walking the streets, trying to stay out of the way of all these retards. Meanwhile all these retards are sure they are smart as fuck. They think they are genius.
Trust me gents, there are real downsides to being bright. And not just getting picked on in school.
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It is a simple fact that every existential difficulty that the world is facing today is the result of the activities of genius IQ white males.
We could consider things like the disposal of nuclear waste but instead let’s consider that world population is today more than 7 billion, up from 1 billion 100 years ago. That is entirely the result of genius discoveries of how to exploit fossil fuels, in particular oil, and the work of geniuses like Justus von Liebig, the father of modern chemical fertilizer farming.
The dependence on this method of industrial agriculture will inevitably and ultimately lead to a mass extinction event for human beings within the next, well, I won’t put a date on it, but certainly within the lifetime of any child born today.
The trouble with geniuses is that they are still human beings, with lots of human limitations. Liebig couldn’t see. or didi’t care, that the basis of agricultural productivity was a web of microbial life, reductively represented in his theories as over-simplified chemical balances, imbalances, shortages, additives, and so on. He was very very smart and understood a lot, except for the biological ramifications of what he was doing.
So perhaps we’d have been netter off if we’d capped IQ at around 140. That way we’d probably have gotten all of the tech up until around, say, 1850. Might even get the petrol-driven internal combustion engine and limited powered flight, lots of electrical stuff. Probably the phone. Maybe radio and tv.
We probably wouldn’t be smart enough to develop chemistry, rockets, and nuclear stuff. Medicine and public engineering would in my thinking have continued to develop well but in broader and certainly less reductive lines of investigation. The common science would have depended more on trial and error rather than theorizing and drawing conclusions about advanced abstract models.
Socially, our societies would have remained primarily agricultural and localized around major hub metropolises.
IQ 140 isn’t too bad. It’s not like we’d have to live like darkies.
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That’s still top 1 or 2%. Most don’t get there at all and never know the difference.
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I had some laughs one time with a friend, talking about how average people were closer in IQ to a monkey than to us. Assuming that monkey IQ was 50-60
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Imagine the plight of Chris Langan whose IQ is between 195 and 210. Or rather you don’t have to imagine since he’s described it in some detail and you can watch a short documentary on youtube. Basically he’s been an outcast who didn’t fit in anywhere his whole life.
You can tell just by looking at him that he has a beneficial (maybe not) genetic mutation that caused cerebral hyperdevelopment of some kind.
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Interesting vids. Not sure he really is that bright. For instance, in #3 the interviewer asks him a question about whether everybody would agree to follow his approach to government. He responds with “Well it’s kinda hard to disagree with the premise that 2+2=4.” WTF? Oh yeah? Well it’s kinda hard to agree with the premise that 2+2=8761. So what? How about 8+12=91? WTF does that prove?
I mean, they could have (and probably did) edit for content. Still, I’ve known some bright folks – top 0.5%. Guy does not seem to be there. But they are all WAY smarter than I am, I’m only at the top 2%. Yeah. 2% to .5% doesn’t seem like much, trust me, it is.
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Why should the 140 guy think that he and his IQ are normal? His life experiences must have clearly demonstrated to him that he’s way ahead of normal.
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BOME, women care about a man’s IQ only if it relates to his income or income potential.
Other than that, a much higher than average IQ may actually be a hindrance to your success with women, the very few times I’ve witnessed a true Nerd ‘get with’ a Hottie (or at least a 7), she was using him and there was no sex involved.
A former roommate’s sister – herself about a 7.5 blonde blue-eyed southern girl who was into mustached truck owners who beat her up – even told me as much when she said that girls like to able to control guys and are wary of the really smart guys.
She was about as honest as a female human can be and had absolutely no reason to lie to me on that occasion.
The lesson ?
If you must use ‘Game’, use it to dumb yourself down some, that might work.
Provided, as always, you’re tall, hawt and young enough for her.
Duh.
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Personally the most successful guys I know(as in money in the bank) are above median iq but not super smart, with a lot of drive and a successful blue collar business
Often the high iq guys i’ve meet can’t get out of their own way
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Pro comments wolife and SFC.
Naturals are usually good looking, athletic and treated like princes since day one. They have an ease about them that is hard to fake.
Smart guys often have a chip on their their shoulder for being ignored/not appreciated/misunderstood. Can’t get out of their own way is perfect description.
All anyone really needs to do to get chicks is go after their dreams and don’t worry about chicks. This quality seems to make women flock to you like nothing else. The trick is to really mean it. Don’t just fake it. Don’t just act like you are busy and watch to see if she is checking you out from the corner of your eye. Focus on what you are doing and they will demand to know why you aren’t drooling over them and trying to buy them a drink.
All of this is laid out in the 16 Commandments of Poon. That list should be posted in every locker room, bar bathroom, gun range, etc, pretty much any where men congregate.
Women are masters of dissimulation. Learn to beat them this game. Play dumb like a pool shark. Also this matches Lord Chesterfield’s advice:
A man of sense only trifles with them, plays with them, humors and flatters them, as he does with a sprightly forward child; but he neither consults them about, nor trusts them with serious matters; though he often makes them believe that he does both; which is the thing in the world that they are proud of; for they love mightily to be dabbling in business (which by the way they always spoil); and being justly distrustful that men in general look upon them in a trifling light, they almost adore that man who talks more seriously to them, and who seems to consult and trust them; I say, who seems; for weak men really do, but wise ones only seem to do it.
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Wolfie please this is bullshit. You are neither a good observer or a good reader. WOMEN HATE controllable men, predictable boring betas. Women love a man who can’t even control himself. This isn’t necessarily a point for IQ
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Bruh…its all about dissimulation, not actually being a beta moron. You don’t actually want to be the dumb guy who gets controlled by his chick…
You want to do like Capt. Obvious says above, know your audience. Most hot chicks are fairly dumb or at least come off that way. My favorite are bubbly giggly girly girls. Do you think i open them with philosophy conversation? They like to be told to go fetch things and to feel helpful and smart.
Let them think they can control you a little, then throw a wrench in the works as soon as they think they have you figured out.
To paraphrase Wahlburg in the deparrted: Women are like mushrooms – Keep em in the dark and feed em shit.
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Boils down to one word: calibration
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“Boils down to one word: calibration”
one of the qualities in IQ-challenged guys that many women prefer is a lack of judgement of their behavior. a high-iq guy will often wither a girls turn-on by being too aware of her flaws. judging a girl does not get you laid (unless they’re from Jersey).
so yes, calibration. recognize quickly who you can (and should) flash your mad brain skills with, and who you should keep it light and fun (ie. painfully shallow) with.
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The problem really really high IQ guys have, not merely smart guys, with women and most human relationships like business etc. is they are playing a chess game no one else is… they spend there time in an interaction, whether with a woman or a business deal, mapping out the 20th chess move
and defenses to this while simultaneously not realizing that the other party is concerned about the first two moves only AND they also FAIL TO MOVE THEIR FIRST PIECE to begin with…
so much paralysis analysis and contingency planning…
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Dood….this is so on point! As someone who would over-analyze (and in many cases still do) every particular movement, this rings so true to me.
Like with everything, time and place for being 20 moves ahead, but in the manner with which you described, that ain’t it.
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No wonder it’s better to be bold than to analyze whether you should be bold.
DIVE IN, mofo…the water’s fine!
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Cosign the idea that women have a wariness of men they know are much smarter than they are. A larger than usual level of comfort-building may have to be employed to surmount it.
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One thing which strikes me whenever I’m in a conversation about Game or related topics with women: their visceral, irrational rage at the very idea. They LOATHE the concept that non-Alpha men can or should expect to have relationships or healthy sex lives. They HATE the thought that the charming psychopathic bad boy who moistens their panties might really be a steady, devoted man who wants a family. They DESPISE the thought that men might try to improve their SMV. The whole idea that women are not completely in control induces real spittle-flecked anger.
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True. Would seem to support the FFD theory. I can’t imagine any man getting angry at a fat woman for trying to lose weight to be more attractive.
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Funny that you say that. I had one girl a while back say to me “What gives you the right to think YOU deserve a good girl?”
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Whether women like high IQ or not depends on which type of women we’re talking about. Jewish women will get wet looking at your bookshelf. Asian women will like it, but still be wary. White women’s vaginas will snap shut if you’re too well read. Black, Hispanic, and Guido-Italian women prefer you to be illiterate.
This is why the nation’s collective intelligence is plummeting. We’ve bred (or imported) too many women who despise brains and prefer criminality. Growing up with a revolving-door of stepdads has a lot to do with this.
The end.
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For Asian women, it depends on what type of Asian woman. If she was born and bred in the USA, she’ll be on par with white girls and their disgust towards book reading. Asian women from Asia are more forgiving of that sort of behaviour.
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there is a thin layer social conditioning but underneath lies
seething, sweating, grunting, the hamster.
and that lil’ squealer is the same in all.
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Why would you care what gets a Jewish woman wet? Their face looks like it is melting.
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Depends what you read, something like “Will to Power” by Nietzsche probably is good. Nowadays maybe the Koran.
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“It is not all that uncommon to see a man with no job or looks who somehow manages to hook up with scores of women through sheer confidence and swagger.”
It not uncommon to see damaged women with damaged men, after all birds of a feather flock together.
Narcissistic women love bpd men, hand in glove type scenario, not everything can be attributed to game.
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I seem to recall hearing studies of high IQ correlating with low self confidence. I’ve theorized that IQ and testosterone level are negatively correlated, though I’ve never seen any scientific evidence to substantiate this.
I also tend to think high IQ men have difficulty developing social skills because there are few others like them to whom they can relate.
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IQ is directly influenced by a man’s level of dominance. what’s a beta doing with his brain? he’s using his entire gray matter to figure where he is in the pecking order. so even if he’s smart, he’s missing all the signals in his environment because he’s busy wondering how cool he is. so his extra booksmarts get him nowhere.
OTH, an alpha isn’t worried about his status because he knows he’s top dog. therefore, even is he’s less educated, he’s utilizing his brain to perceive signals his environment (like girly twirling her and fidgeting her hips) which he can then act upon to his benefit.
a guy who’s not worried about his status is C-A-L-M. guess what happens when you’re C-A-L-M? you listen. you pay attention. you make her feel safe. you get LAID.
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I should’ve said “SITUATIONAL IQ is directly related to a man’s level of dominance…”
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Curse of the High IQ.
Captain Capitalism wrote a book on this.
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I also tend to think high IQ men have difficulty developing social skills because there are few others like them to whom they can relate.
An important factor is that it takes much, much longer for a high-IQ man’s brain to fully mature than it would for, say, a nigger. So, a high-IQ man in college is mentally like a normal guy in high school, or even middle school if he is super-high-IQ, in his social interactions.
Of course, during that time, there’s the added problem that the high-IQ man has more time of being brainwashed into anti-Game. On the upside, he would probably have a better grasp of Game once he’s been exposed to it.
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“takes much, much longer for a high-IQ man’s brain to fully mature than it would for, say, a nigger.”
yes. I think this whole IQ question is a bit misleading because of the way the brain can both compartmentalize AND decompartmentalize in order to process complex phenomena such as social interactions.
a very high-IQ, analytically-minded person might not be able to function effectively in a social setting because he’s addicted to processing one piece of the puzzle at a time, such as talking. same goes with an 80 IQ dindu (“muh dick”).
a true master is therefore someone who’s brain and senses are so highly developed paying attention to ALL levels of an interaction, and connecting with the other person accordingly.
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“An important factor is that it takes much, much longer for a high-IQ man’s brain to fully mature than it would for, say, a nigger.”
Interesting theory, but I’m skeptical. You seem to be suggesting that a nigger’s cognitive development occurs as the same rate as a white man’s, but cuts off earlier so he never develops fully. My experience seems to be that black kids are dumber than white kids at every stage of development.
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Interesting theory, but I’m skeptical. You seem to be suggesting that a nigger’s cognitive development occurs as the same rate as a white man’s, but cuts off earlier so he never develops fully. My experience seems to be that black kids are dumber than white kids at every stage of development.
No, the nigger’s social development is quicker. A typical white kid can still do math better than the black kid, but won’t be as good at socializing.
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> “high IQ correlating with low self confidence” ——— High IQ dudes can foresee [and/or can remember having read about] all the shiznat that can go WRONG in any particular set of circumstances. Whereas Low IQ dudes just blithely plow on through, completely oblivious to the lurking iceberg which is about to tear through their hulls.
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If you’ve ever worked with Low-ish IQ carpenters or masons or roofers or painters [plumbers & especially electricians tend to be a whole lot smarter], then you will pull your hair out of your head as you watch them start to accumulate the obvious errors which will eventually result in a catastrophic failure of the project at hand.
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YOU NAILED IT CAP
High IQ dudes can foresee [and/or can remember having read about] all the shiznat that can go WRONG in any particular set of circumstances
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“High IQ dudes can foresee”
Cap nailed it.
CH has an old post somewhere saying: men are programmed for focused, single tasking. women are programmed for superficial multitasking. this is actually rooted in neuroscience as men and women have very different brain architecture. (shitlibs cry, again)
As a high IQ dude entering a gossiping women’s environment, your analytical brain cant be on overdrive trying to problem solve a linear equation.
One has to keep a pulse on the seduction cycle but be more focused on the senses, emotions and literally enjoying yourself. be in the moment and stop calculating.
a perfect examlple is not paying literal attention to ‘what’ she is saying. fuck I still do this sometimes. because it is damn annoying how women can literally contradict themselves within seconds of the same conversation. what they say is often such nonsense- but in being social you learn that analysis of her word content is meaningless. analysis of her emotional state and how she percieves you is a non-linear matrix of situational and environmental stimuli… pay attention, but dont stephen hawking her story about her stupid friends. lol.
being high IQ, the best approach is put much much of the processing power om reserve and be comfortable with small talk and meaningless, purposeless convo.
one liners are great.
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@CO; This – 1000x ^^^
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Ripp “one liners are great.”
And don’t forget they do NOT have to make any sense at all… can be non sequiturs…
Two of my favorites “we’ll see how you play your cards” especially in response to something she says she wont do, like you…
“you know nothing is going to happen here right?”
You: “we’ll see how you play your cards”
And another one is “that’s racist”… offered for anything she has an opinion on… the sillier the better…
“oh I don’t eat meat”
You: “that’s racist”
Both deliver level 8 spikes to the hamster… cognitive dissonance will always trump logic in seduction…
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http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-general-intelligence/
Men with high IQ can handle more social interactions successfully if they enter Machiavellian and obveserver-system master mode. But women are still a whole thing apart, because men don’t know how women work to a point that my first step in game was emulate alpha lion behavior, take lot of space, be physically prominent, keep a territorial frame, etc.
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+1
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I don’t believe high IQ is a problem with the men on this site.
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This is a philosophical/applied biology blog what did you expect??
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is that you ((dan)) … I mean ((mike)) … I mean (steve))?
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Confused, dear? Thank you for proving my point.
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Christine u suck muh dickazzz. U old yenta lolz
U r Trinity of dat shit story nigga:
GBFM(G8 BOOKS 4 MEN) WROTE:
Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
Neocon: What is it?
Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl
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Oh, Chris. You’re the worst kind of chic. Too ugly to ever attract ANY man, so you try to fill the void by searching out male-dominated blogs to ‘troll’. Lots of your type around lately. It’s OK.
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How would you know?
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Chris you sound like The Strapon Within…
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Brains help with understanding the big picture, but you’ve got to leave it to instinct. Instinct guides us more than we realize, and high-IQ men tend to fight instinct as being anti-logical somehow, when it is . . . the greatest logic of all.
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Not sure of that. There is also a proportion of intelligent men who regard intelligence as a tool, not only that, but the best tool in the biological realm to accomplish their classless biological needs. After all is God is not there at the end, how to reach prosperity, posteriority and greatness but in this reality and using your nmda receptors?
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*Ceaseless
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Especially in bed. I fuck women with boyfriends because they’re too shit in bed to dominate them and believe in some form of the no means no crap taken to the extreme. It comes natural to me to want to do it, so I assume they feel the same instinctively too. But instead of grabbing her hair and biting her neck while shoving his leg between hers, they come up with ‘please give me pussy’.
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saucery queer, why dont you go spin a dradle or something
let the men talk.
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I would consider myself smart, and have an avid interest in aviation and space engineering, but I don’t let myself get in the way of myself. In the normal day life I don’t sperg out and run maths or talk about the hurdles in aviation/space engineering (especially with girls). I just tease, make fun of and do the other standard game things with girls that gets ’em all giggly. The problem with newbies, and high-IQ is the lack of calibration. Calibration is something they need to work on hard. Imo, calibration is something that needs to be pointed out extremely in game teachings.
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“maths”?!??
what are you, a (ptooey) limey?
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aussie m8
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Agree high IQ people have the problem of being absorbed by themselves.
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calibration. +1
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Just emulate Rhett Butler as closely as possible. Everyone has seen the movie, but the book goes into much more depth and detail as to his alphaness. Really amazing insight for a work written by a woman in the 1930s. That’s in addition to a striking, far-reaching understanding on matters of race, ethnicity, history, and civilization.
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Margaret-Mitchell/dp/0446365386
I’m just finishing it now. It’s a great book. Long, but worth it.
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Another possibility is that jerkboy charisma is like a peacock’s tail. At some point females liked confidence. Then males started to exaggerate, and over generations the signal became huge, and colorful jerkboy behavior.
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Stop projecting our reality into the past. Behaving with jerk boy charisma a couple hundreds ago could have easily gotten you killed, let alone thousands of years ago. Being a charismatic jerk was something afforded largely to men with real power and it’s a cue for power. Power is to men what fertility is to women. We both find the cues for those in the opposite sex.
Heck, even what women masturbate too makes it quite evident. Rape, domination etc. They’re all about men having power over them. Money, much like being a jerk, is a proxy for power. Otherwise money is just something women want from you without it being arousing.
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I have my own theory on charisma. Pwn your one is also good and similar. I think charisma is not just a sign of high status but is also a cause. Betas exploit nature to achieve social status, charismatic personalities exploit betas to achieve the same, I also think that was selected in a pre statal age, with little justice. Said so most alphas aren’t but parasites.
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high IQ correlates significantly with height, health, good looks, wealth, and of course youre going to see right through her and be much wittier and able to demonstrate verbally power over the world you cant easily demonstrate in a bar in half an hour otherwise. Trust me IQ helps. that said if your one of the hunchback jew high IQs well better have billions and shes still going to cheat
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I have high IQ. It helps when I do what you say, it’s a detriment when I create alternative scenarios in my head. The problem those very high iq men have is that they mostly do the latter and most of their reference experiences are imaginary.
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“Women seeking long-term lovers will place greater emphasis on those male character traits that suggest a willingness to settle down and get to the job of providing for her future brood.”
I doubt this quoted part is the crux of your argument, CH, but I have to add some critical points. Women only do this if forced to by patriarchy or the approaching wall. Left to their own devices they are simply biologically programmed to sexually reward the man who offers LESS commitment, for the very reason that their instincts correctly perceive him as the genetic winner in the sex:commitment ratio that is the key to human sexual behavior. They cannot help themselves.
Worse, even women who are forced by the ravages of time to look for commitment will not reward it soulfully, will balk at signs of over-commitment in their man, and will often seek the uncommitted guy on the side.
Even for LTR, all men who wish for one in the post-patriarchy must strive to preserve both a core and an appearance of non-commitment, no matter the objective quantity of their actual sexual, emotional and financial support. It’s actually better, IMO, if a man can maintain a dominant frame and high sexual expectations even if his woman is earning as much or more, but if the man earns more, he must absolutely expect sexual rewards in inverse proportion to his woman’s financial contributions. He must strive to achieve real options, he must definitely convey the appearance of options, he must display this option-entitled stance to his woman and he must punish female misbehavior by withdrawing commitment. And he must stringently abide by Commandment V: give your woman 2/3 back (at most) of everything she gives to you.
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Instead of using pompous words like over commitment, use those we have for these shitty men: uxorious losers. Not sure why they’re supposed to find ass kissing losers erotic.
“Even for LTR, all men who wish for one in the post-patriarchy must strive to preserve both a core and an appearance of non-commitment, no matter the objective quantity of their actual sexual, emotional and financial support”
This is translated into you can’t become an ass kissing loser to a far weaker and smaller human and maintain the fake notion you’re somehow hot shit.
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Hey, it’s not my fault I have this muliebral susceptibility to sesquipedalianism – it’s my genes. I blame my mom.
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The tragedy of our modern circumstances is that the kind of woman you shall ineviably want to make future ubermenschen with are, for the most part, locked in something called a “University.” It is a safe bet that fooking them would be righteous and fun, if only you could get anywhere near them.
High IQ will get you into fucking-range of these high value woombs if you have the (fill in the blank ) ethniticity to hang out in their world with ZFGiven on full display.
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That’s because you’re not high value enough. I’m sure if you were rich, famous or manipulative enough you could have them drop out or knock them up while they’re in university and then talk them into dropping out.
This whining is the equivalent of 40 years old women whining about their inability to find men. Whoa, whoa, I wish reality was different so I won’t be a loser in the dating world.
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adjunct prof, campus security or work in the dining hall…
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The fine tuned theory is false on its face, much like our attraction to different traits associated with fertility is due to them being proxies for fertility, not the traits themselves. It’s quite obvious our sexual instincts stopped evolving thousands of years ago(or evolve too slowly for it to be noticeable) and in that environment having swagger didn’t mean shit if you couldn’t back it up, much like it wouldn’t matter now either if we didn’t have governments and law. All the glib confident men with nothing to show for would have their faces bashed in promptly. That’s partially why approaching creates anxiety(other reason is that if you avoid doing anything you fear over and over, it’ll become something that makes you anxious).
And it’s very uncommon for men with no looks, money, job etc to do well with women, especially with women with options. Probably smart and civilized blacks are less rare. I didn’t know general rules are supposed to explain unlikely cases. I guess the races are equal then.
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“Guys wind up thinking that women are primarily attracted to money or looks or expensive cars because they literally don’t perceive the very traits in men that are getting women wet.”
So damned true.
There’s an endless horizon of men out here in so cal that peacock with “money game” at all different income echelons; sadly thinking that it will get them laid. All they muster up is a following of women orbiters taking their money material gifts that never let em in.
They turn the crank of an extremely low output methodology simply because they can’t/won’t accept learning a percecption several dimensions away from the sugar coated blue pilled lens.
I’d consider this one of the pillars of red pill wisdom: learning the true perception of female attractions in men.
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“I’d consider this one of the pillars of red pill wisdom: learning the true perception of female attractions in men.”
great comment ripp.
we are experts at projection. we see creatures of beauty and assume that they must also seek the same type of beauty in us. wrong. what they like in us is “guyness”, which is some combination of virility, relaxed confidence, receptivity, subtle playfulness, dominance (innate, not forced/try-hard), and a decent amount of emotionality.
the right Goldilocks combination varies from girl to girl, which is why you have to engage MANY in order to be able to fine tune your presentation and get past your clumsiness. practice practice practice.
early on girls generally don’t care whether or not you can fix the sink. you can allude to your skills/knowledge, but don’t wear them like a boy scouts badge of honor. those are your gifts which you can share with her later, after she’s contributing her share and putting out….consistently.
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I will say this:
Girls mature faster than boys, which leads to situation where girls perform better than boys in High School. Later, the table turns.
Grown men are better at math, science, and reading, while women are better at writing.
Men on average perform better at the SAT, ACT, LSAT, MCAT, GRE, GMAT, AP. If you take all IQ studies together men on average have 2 IQ points advantage over women. That, combined with the greater variability of men, leads to a situation where men represent almost all geniuses and nobel laureats. According to P. Irwing, there are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women. According to other studies, there are twice as many men with an IQ of 130-plus as there are women.
High IQ men have more kids than kids than high IQ women, which creates bias against high IQ women and leads to the male IQ advantage.
Both high IQ men and high IQ women in western societies have less kids than low IQ people, which creates bias towards low IQ people, called dysgenics. Although there is also some data from Sweden which suggests that high IQ men have more kids than low IQ men.
According to most data, people in western societies should be getting dumber, and women should be getting dumber faster than men.
In closing, high IQ appears to be more important quality in men, than in women, at least as far as breeding is concerned.
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Men on average perform better at the SAT, ACT, LSAT, MCAT, GRE, GMAT, AP.
The reason for that is the lack of a guessing penalty on multiple-choice exams. Men are more likely to guess on a question if they don’t know the answer. Women have more inhibitions and are (illogically) less likely to guess, even if it won’t hurt their score. The benefit goes to the bold.
Without this phenomenon, you might find that the sexes are about even, maybe with women in the lead. But standardized tests =/= intelligence, and certainly men lead in many other qualities such as risk-taking, imagination, and sheer confidence to attack new projects. This is why we (men) account for almost all entrepreneurs and other job-creators while they (women) do not.
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Please strapon read something that will make you speak like a not complete idiot
http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-general-intelligence/
Yeah after the patriarch from the same sellers, women intellectual void a tale of multiple choice exams, men to blame for sexist testing, how many Newton and Einstein females have we lose??? “At least six millions Western Civ may never recover” social scientists says
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Thats not the reason, my info is that guessing can only partly explain better male performance. Also as far as i know this is seen as a potential issue only in SAT or GRE tests. I do not have information for such an issue on other tests, guessing is not possible in all types of questions or tests.
Moreover, men perform better on timed tests, while females improve their performance only when the time limits are removed, which indicates a clear weakness among females, since most respectable IQ tests are timed. Personally i also believe that timed tests are more accurate.
“A joint study by the ETS and the College Board concluded that multiple choice formats favor men over women, *partly* because men are more willing to guess on tests when they don’t know the answer. Men also perform better on timed tests.”
For more information:
“Fighting the Gender Gap:Standardized Tests Are Poor Indicators of Ability in Physics”
Not to mention that females mature faster than males, and many of the school/uni test takers are young immature 17-18 year old males. At the GMAT for exampe, it was found that females performed better than males among the teen test takers, but performed worse among the adult test takers. Imagine what will happen at the SAT if a bunch of 30 year old adults take it. You will get even bigger male advantage.
Also, its not just the SAT scores, etc. but IQ tests as well. Some show male advantage, while others show no difference. If you take all tests together, though, on average, you get 2 IQ points in favour of males. That advantage, combined with the greater male variability, leads to a situation where men are the vast majority of the people with the highest IQ and the vast majority of human Geniuses and Nobel Laureats.
You will find that women are only 10 percent of science professors, 10 percent of surgeons, 5 percent of nobel laureats, 2 percent of science nobel laureats, 3 percent of commercial pilots, 2 percent of combat pilots, the minority of MENSA members, 10 percent of software developers, and that 92-95 percent of new things are invented by men (see patent holders).
Fields medal for Mathematics – won by 1 female/ 56 males.
Chess World Champions – 0 females/ 20 males.
Turing Award, the “Nobel Prize” of Computing (won by 2 females / 136 males)
According to the PIAAC – The Programme for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies, adult males outperform females in literacy, numeracy, and problem solving in technology rich environments.
There are also plenty of indirect indicators showing that males have higher average IQ.
1 Brain Size to body ratio is correlated with IQ
2 Height is correlated with IQ
3 Reaction time is correlated with IQ
4 Nerve Conduction Velocity is correlated with IQ
5 Time perception is correlated with IQ
Men have advantage in all of those.
The mean IQ difference betwenen males and females in not large though (IMO), its 2-3 points, but when you combine it with greater male variability, it leads to a situation where males dominate the top 10 percent in most areas of human life that require high IQ.
Also female IQ is more verbal (reading/writing) while male IQ is more math/spatial – men are better at scientific reasoning and orienting themselves in the environment (better pilots for example). The difference in creativity between men and women is also huge – men invent 92 – 95 percent of new things.
Imagine a hypothetical female only society in South America, and a male only society in North America. They meet only in Panama, in order to breed. Then females take care of the female kids, amd males take care of the male kids.
In that case, the female society will be in the Middle Ages, due to the very low female creativity rate, while the male society will be in the 21 century, due to its very high creativity/invention rate.
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Women are simply less intelligent, verbal iq included. Most IQ test are sex standard, the parts in which men score too higher are removed. SAT is also sex standardized, the structure of most test from score assign to test composition are biased against men and in favour of women.
You can see more here:
http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-general-intelligence/
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Philosophy a verbal realm, is after economics the field in which men outperform women most. More than physics, engineering and maths.
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As Jerry Seinfeld said to Elaine,
” yes IQ tests are full of questions about testicles and hunting, that is why women score lower”
then he rolled his eyes
PS; yes he’s Jewish I know.
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If you really were a high IQ man and a Lady killer, you would be deeply frustrated at this stage of your life with the intellectual potential of women. Womena re at best clever. Once again you give yourself away. And no, EQ is not enough.
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@ carlos
If you really were a high IQ man and a Lady killer, you would be deeply frustrated at this stage of your life with the intellectual potential of women.
Was that aimed at me? Because, yes, I am frustrated with women’s inability to talk about anything of importance. That’s why I seek out the company of other red-pill men, and it’s why I keep looking for glimmers of real intelligence here at this site. There used to be a lot more.
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bitches mature faster which means they’re strategizing together socially…for social things. Things like grading all the boys in the class, ranking teacher’s fashion sense. Doing better in school…academically? lolololzzz
girls, even fast maturing girls, don’t care about IQ in boys. Come on. It’s who is cute and who has the most friends. or money.
a smart girl with her head on tight will make it her goal to get knocked up asap by the right guy. If you’re knocked up by the wrong guy early, you did it wrong. But hey, you still got kidz. If you’re pushing 40 with no kids, you did it wrong, regardless of job.
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It’s impossible for real intelligence to be a hindrance. If you ever find yourself in a situation where you think being intelligent is a disadvantage, that’s just a sign that you aren’t as intelligent as you thought. Any indication that high scores on an intelligence test are not correlated with high success is evidence that the test is flawed.
This conclusion is rather elementary if you consider that a sufficiently intelligent person can act “dumb” if a situation calls for it, so long as that person is also sufficiently intelligent to figure out that acting “dumb” will lead to a favorable outcome. If you think you are smarter than someone but aren’t beating them, then you are just wrong about being smarter. Perhaps there is an exception for physical deficiencies, but this is less relevant than you might think.
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http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-general-intelligence/
2 points only zlzzlzlzozlzozlzo read this man READ THIS
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The reason that women find jerkboy charisma attractive is that until recently being a jerkboy asshole without sufficient skills, resources, and stature to back it up was suicidal. The fathers, brothers, and other interested male parties of women would protect women from these types, violently when needed. Asshole jerkboys who didn’t die violently were almost certainly high status.
This is similar to the reason why women are attracted to dangerous invaders. If a woman encounters a dangerous invader, her in-group men have failed and her best strategy might be to mate with the successful out-group. If her in-group men are successful, she won’t meet dangerous invaders and her attraction to them is dormant and hypothetical.
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This pretty much explains why CH is one of the pillars of red pilled thinking — it was the first, and certainly is the best, to tie together the issues of race-invasion, basic poon-hunting, and successful LTR principles.
A man must understand all 3 if he’s going to preserve his people, have enough options and reference points in the sexual market to know when he’s found a girl worth something, and ultimately pass his personal genetic legacy down to the next generation.
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Having ~150 IQ I can only confirm Le Chateau’s observations. Overanalysing everything and worrying about things that others don’t even notice are my usual problems, not only when it comes to dating. Also, I quite enjoy being alone when I can read stuff and think about different things/problem – honestly, I’m never bored and I find it more fulfilling than “going out to meet chicks”.
The pool of girls with whom I can, say, connect is smaller, but definitely not empty. Just more work for me to find them. The chemistry/biology majors are usually just fine smarts-wise and quite a lot of them are attractive enough.
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I feel the same way. I’ve learned to compartmentalize — don’t let most women into your intellectual life, because they won’t understand it and will probably walk out once they see just how far above them you are. Edward Snowden did this perfectly, with his stripper girlfriend who knew absolutely nothing about his work operating part of our national security system. Imagine what was going on inside his head at the beach while she was applying spray tan and yammering about her favorite flavor of yogurt.
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Please strapon read something that will make you speak like a not complete idiot
http://www.sciencevsfeminism.com/the-myth-of-equality/sex-differences-general-intelligence/
Yeah after the patriarch from the same sellers, women intellectual void a tale of multiple choice exams, men to blame for sexist testing, how many Newton and Einstein females have we lose??? “At least six millions Western Civ may never recover” social scientists says
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Have a Dos Equis on me!
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Don’t expect intellectual fulfillment and you’ll be alright.
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Hide your power level.
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smart kids also communicate with strange jokes if they’re not careful. Not high-brow but jokes that only another male nerd would get or even appreciate. Bitches hate “me’lady” bullshit that nerds love.
My advice watch a dumb (maybe not that dumb) guy like Channing Tatum spit game in movies or in interviews. His humor is readily understandable as funny to girls as opposed to making obscure turns of phrases based on a book you, and only you, read 20 years ago.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-03/old-europe-versus-new-europe
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http://stevepieczenik.com/
For Vincent
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Reblogged this on parallelplace.
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Women want men who have IQ but it’s kind of a laid back form of presenting itself.
Shows itself more often in getting things done, taking things apart and putting them back together. Manipulating people but “nicely”.
Readings for Women
As that old saying goes:
Deeds, Not Words.
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