The unintended consequences of intervention by homo economicus in the natural order of things materialize in sweeping effects (Communism), and sometimes in what can seem superficially trivial ways: Daylight Savings Time is bad for your health. And health improves once the clock is returned to Standard Time.
Revelations like this one are just more confirmation of the CH axiom that the further humans distance themselves from their evolved predispositions (in this case, from sleeping and waking to their biological circadian rhythms and losing an hour), the worse off their well-being.
The God of Biomechanics always has the last word.

[…] It’s Time To End Daylight Savings Time […]
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The very idea is absurd, as one’s need for sleep is genetically determined ( my parents told me that my nurse had to wake me to feed me).
My sleep is sacred to me, and I will not have a bureaucrat telling me when to go to bed or when to get up. (Some of the green people – who clearly belong to another species – believe one should go to bed at sunset, and get up at sunrise! What lunacy! I can think of a well-known: ‘nutritionist’ – clearly unbalanced – who advocates this, and is, of course, a socialist- dislikes cars, fur coats, nightlife, meat – although he probably relishes a good piece of meat in bed.)
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I am convinced that the REAL reason for its introduction way back and why it is still used is part of the ‘slow kill’ process we are being subjected to. Mess the entire nation’s circadian rhythms and potentially cause all sorts of health problems.
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O/T, but is there any really strong long-term statistical evidence which shows that fluoride improves dental health? [I’m completely agnostic on the matter, just honestly curious.]
There was a minor hub-bub last year when HHS & the DofAg removed the recommendation for dental flossing as part of a daily hygiene routine, because someone finally realized that NO ONE HAD EVER PERFORMED A VALID STUDY WHICH SHOWED THAT DENTAL FLOSSING DID ANY GOOD. [Which, again, is not to say that dental flossing is bad for you, it’s just that no one knows whether any benefits (or malefices) show up in large-scale statistics.]
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Not sure if flossing helps teeth, but it seems to help my gums feel better and my mouth feel cleaner. Sort of like after you get a cleaning at the dentist.
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I avtually started flossing faily after I read there was a significantly longer life expectancy for flossers. Could be just correlation, ie daily flossers are more likely to care about there health and take care of themselves in general.
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BTW, speaking of “the ‘slow kill’ process we are being subjected to”, George Soros is both the leading funder of marijuana decriminalization in this country, and also the leading funder of “schizophrenia.com”, which openly acknowledges that marijuana induces schizophrenia in at-risk neurologies. I.e. Soros knows d@mned well that by decriminalizing marijuana, he will induced schizophrenic insanity in millions upon millions of at-risk citizens.
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I think it also makes humans lazier. It robs you of your sunlight in the early morning, which helps you get moving, mentally. It robs you of your sleep because “it’s too early to go to bed, it’s still light out”.
Indiana is massively stupid and needs to get back OUT of DST AND move to Central Time. 10pm fireworks on July 4th SUCKS.
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Doesn’t daylight savings just correct the human subjective temporal designation, eg 8 a.m. with the actual movements of the sun? So in other words you have managed to defeat your own argument? You are a fucking idiot.
[CH: think this thru before mouthing off. humans who have evolved at temperate latitudes likely would have adapted to seasonal changes in sunlight. this adaptation is disrupted in a modern context by time compressions and expansions.]
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“adapted to seasonal changes in sunlight” ——— Via changing their sleep habits by maybe 20 seconds per day for about half a year:
[180 * (20 seconds) = [(60 * 3) * (20 seconds) ] = [60 * (60 seconds)] = 60 minutes = 1 hour.
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Point being that 20 seconds per day is nothing, whereas a full hour is a massive jolt to the system.
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Before train time tables noon was the sun’s highest point every day where you were. Time of day followed the sun on a daily basis.
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Russia experimented with Daylight Savings Time but now no longer uses it. Not sure why, however.
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Maybe because the people who run Russia actually CARE about the Russian citizenry?
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Another great idea bites the dust
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Also wear orange glasses at night, blocks blue light from screens, lights and whatever, that trick your eyes into thinking it is still daytime.
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there’s this free software called f.lux that can adjust the color temp of your computer screen to match sunlight, candlelight, you name it. great if you’re using a device at night; it’s easier on the eyes and it doesn’t disrupt your brain’s circadian rhythm. also an iOS version now.
https://justgetflux.com/
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I’ve neen using f.lux on my home computer for *years*. It *works*!
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No one has ever saved one single second of time since this thing called universe was put into turmoil
From that very simple truth stem many others well described in “Handbook of sane living and other cautionary tales”
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Pro-tip. Play the joker laughing at the same time as the joker lying.
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Co-signed. I fucking hate Daylight Savings.
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Same. Some people say they like it because it “gives” us an extra hour of daylight in the summer months. Stupid. I wouldn’t care whether we stuck with “Daylight Savings Time” clocks all year, or stuck with the normal time all year, but for God’s sake just pick one and stick to it.
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I used to be in that camp. Then I figured out it really didn’t make any sense since our bodies would adapt and essentially not “know” the difference.
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God bless you, CH.
I remember fulminating about this with a college pal (who I lately discovered has died, pbuh). We agreed then that it was barbaric. Something has always infernally disgusted me about light in the sky at fucking 9pm. It’s ridiculous. What are people still “using” it for at that hour, playing tennis? It’s like a decadent eloi fantasy, as if we’re all skipping around forever in a day that refuses to die. But it must.
IIRC, Ben Franklin was a proponent of daylight savings. I know he’s Steve Sailer’s patron saint, but honestly there are several things with Franklin that strike me as nutty or dangerous.
Then again, iirc Churchill was a big proponent too, and I’ll leave it to CO to refresh us on the problems with Churchill . . .
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Here in the UK we have daylight savings time thanks to the Scots, if it were not for them we would currently be seeing the sun setting after 7pm, thank you Scots!
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It was probably them two Scots who invented copper wire, after both saw a penny lying on the ground.
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No those were Polish jews.
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And it was a Jew and a Scot fighting over a penny that caused the Grand Canyon.
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Yah always has the last word. He is the order of all things.
The biodeterminists credit His handiwork to blind forces.
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besides the health impact, DST also hampers the ability to simply appreciate the seasons. within a couple weeks of the sun setting later or earlier, it’s clockhopping time
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There’s the rhythm of nature and then there are the artificial rhythms man invents.
The further they stray from nature, the worse the effect on man.
A lot also depends on where you live.
If you take this daylight savings business logically further, Alaskans, Scandinavians and folks in northern Canada and Russia might as well work 24/7 during the summer and sleep 24/7 during the winter.
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It kills people, too:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11152980
On the Sunday of the change, there’s always a spike in fatal car accidents from still sleepy people trying to drive.
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The concept is dumb, but I’m located at the very western edge of the Eastern time zone (I suppose it doesn’t matter which time zone, though). As such, around the summer solstice, the sun comes up about 5-10 minutes before 6 am. If we didn’t have DST, it’d be light out around 5 am.
I get up early, but it doesn’t strike me as practical to have it be have daylight before 6 am. Other than that, I don’t really care.
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“practical to have it be daylight” – whoops
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dst sux
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Revelations like this one are just more confirmation of the CH axiom that the further humans distance themselves from their evolved predispositions (in this case, from sleeping and waking to their biological circadian rhythms and losing an hour), the worse off their well-being.
The God of Biomechanics always has the last word.
Absolutely. And it’s time to bring back the afternoon siesta as well. Humans are biologically programmed to have a short afternoon sleep just like all other mammalian animals and it can’t be doing us any good to go without it.
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^^^Dammit. screwed up and din’t close my tabs. here’s my comment:
Absolutely. And it’s time to bring back the afternoon siesta as well. Humans are biologically programmed to have a short afternoon sleep just like all other mammalian animals and it can’t be doing us any good to go without it.
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Daylight Savings Time is retarded. Especially here in Mexico. This is the tropics, the days are TWELVE HOURS LONG ALL YEAR. There is maybe twenty minutes difference between winter and summer.
But these idiot beaners are always thinking, “We nee to innitate de gringos, but we doan no whyeeee”
So right now, the Sun rises and sets around 7 o’clock. Soon we will go back to normal time, where it rises and sets around 6 o’clock.
And don’t get me started on the fact that the entire country is ONE TIME ZONE.
Man these beaners are stupid.
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Wow… they really are fucking stupid beaners… I thought Indiana was retarded.
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this is exactly why I have a sundial app on my smartphone.
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IIRC, there is one Mexican state, Sonora, which does not observe datlight savings time. This is because it borders and has important trade ties with Arizona, which is one of the few US states with no DST.
Incidentally, I’ve lived in Arizona ll my life and have never had to deal with any of this BS, which seems extremely stupid to me. Just what the hell do they think they’re “saving” anyway? No matter how you slice it or dice it, there are only so many hours of daylight in any given day.
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say no to DST say yes to DTs
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Circadian rhythms are the reason why we’ll never be able to permanently live on Mars
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Actually, in the no-clock cave studies (people sent to live for months with absolutely no outside cues as to time of day) show that most people revert to a 25 hour cycle when they aren’t being reset by the sun.
It’s one of the reasons I think that man evolved on Mars, not Earth.
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Oh totally… and then we teleported here…
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The people in those studies, as I read in high school in National Geographic or Smithsonian, all seem to kill themselves afterwards.
And I think it was something like a +40 hours awake continuously cycle they got into. At least that was the case in the story I read– a young French woman who was determined to make the world record. She did, but was forever distant, disconnected, depressed once she got back to the real world.
It read like one of the better, “Night Shift” era Stephen King stories tbh.
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Daylight Savings started firing World War I and I think it continues for the same reason the fictional Hunger Games were held; to rub the peasants noses in the power of the State, which controls time itself.
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On a side note, don’t youse yeggs forget to set your clocks ahead tonight.
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The whole 9-5 schedule is wrong. Imagine being a farmer even 100 years ago. Work long days in the summer, sleep a lot in the wonter. Natural way before elctric light.
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Preach it brother.
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I think of shiftworkers in non-essential industries and people scratching around at all hours in the gig economy. Think of the millions of little guys forced against the sun merely to survive. Consider the middle class who are literally dying, not yoga pants and daylight savings time and all these deflecting trivialities which suggest you’ll achieve nothing at all.
For a decent nights sleep try continental Europe where 24/7 is an affront to social democracy. Unfortunately the UK is the same in the US in this regard – barbarically right-wing and awake at all hours.
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Hopefully in a future Britain with basic income schemes and robots will mean that getting up for work at 4.30 in the afternoon becomes a thing of the past.
To maintain human dignity and a decent nights sleep then you’re going to need to take money from the !% who own all the robots and automation and give it to everyone else. If everyone was given $15000 a year before working and you had robots to do what really needs doing at 2am then we’d all be in a better position for a decent nights sleep. You have to put workers in the position where they can afford to tell bosses to fuck off from time to time.
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Some may think I’m coming on like some mad French philosopher talking about the collapse of the middle class and the need to redistribute wealth from the top to everyone else, but UBI will not remain a fringe idea of the left as technology drives the value-added to the economy by the human labour(both physical and mental)through the floor.
Unless UBi is introduced there will be a huge gulf between the immense productive capacity of modern science and industry and the ability of the market to absord this production. There will be a surplus of goods owing to a shortage of purchasing power because the wages of labour cannot possibly afford to buy the fruits of its own labour. We must stop relying on debt to raise our purchasing power because doing so grants all power to Wall Street and when credit runs out good and services will go unsold and the entire system comes crashing down.
Today we’re faced with a stark choice between basic income schemes or a future which resembles the film Blade Runner.
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And that’s what we’ll find out in where Trump’s loyalties really lie. Trump tower looks like something out of Blade Runner and we will find out if he’s on the side of billionaires and Blade Runner or whether he sincerely is for the little guy. Trump may be on our side because he’s ruled by the attention-motive rather than the profit motive – Trump is motivated by vanity far more than greed which could place him on the side of the masses.
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And really you can’t hate what women are, but also like Trump. Between the vanity and attention-seeking overriding greed and profit, the snarkiness, and the spitting poision at or crawling up the backside of whoever he’s talking to what you have with Trump is essentially a woman in a man’s body. Only someone to a great extent feminine could hold the seductive power over men which Trump does.
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Actually, most here think you’re just another bloviating asshole and halfwitted shill… and a limey one at that… who is enamoured with the sound of his own voice.
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Wanker. The 1% are just going to have everyone else GASSED, and their cemeteries turned into golf courses.
Meanwhile the Laaaayba Party and YouQuit are busily buying time for that same uno percento, by pretending that Reform is in the offing.
“One more heave”, “Jam to-fucking-morrow, chaps.”
kys
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It’s not DST that is bad, it is the switching back and forth that’s bad.
I prefer to not spend all the daylight hours at work so I prefer DST. Just don’t switch back and forth. Stay on DST.
However I have come to dislike switching back and forth so much that I might even accept ST all year long. Ideally people’s activities and expectations of when to be doing them shifted with the sunlight instead of old train time tables and the like then I would certainly accept ST all year long.
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