This comment by Les Saunders, Protestant rings true. I’ve seen so many similar cases that there should be a term to describe men who look like womanizers on paper, but who are paper tigers in practice.
Being tall and handsome simply isn’t enough. Well, I suppose it will get you some play but it’s not the be-all end-all. I’m tall and handsome, but had weak game in my 20s. My physical attributes meant I didn’t starve and probably got me a number of 02:00am drunk hookups at da club that a short, homely fellow wouldn’t.
However – I’ll tell you about a good buddy of mine in university. 6’0″, better-looking and -built than me. Had absolutely zero game. Think he got laid once in 4 years of school by some fat redhead in our dorm who I turned down. Once, after graduating, a whole bunch of us gathered in the countryside at a buddy’s parents farm for a weekend of games, drinking, and pig-roasting. A good, old-stock Canadian gathering. A female friend of a friend, a lovely natural blonde haired, slim lass, let it be known that she would bang the retiring buddy of mine. He completely buckled. I saw him freeze up, shift nervously, and stammer, “I can’t do it.” A few lads and I tried to strong-arm him into going to her tent, but nothing doing. We speculated that he was gay, but I lived with the guy for over a year, and I honestly believe he simply has zero game and zero confidence. His mother was quite a stern and forbidding figure in his life. To this day, 12 years after graduation, he still lives at home, commutes into the city to work, and is thoroughly single.
The moral of the story? Being tall and handsome isn’t everything. Not even close. I’ve seen many shorter, less attractive men hook up with quite attractive women over the years. To be fair, I’ve seen many of the same type of men hook up with fat, homely women, and this is what you’d expect.
What do we all want? Hotter, younger, tighter. To get that you need to be, above all, interesting. That can mean being an asshole with a motorcycle, being a musician, or having game. Tall and handsome gives you some breathing room if you’re a little short in the charisma department, but not a hell of a lot. I’m a tall and handsome guy, but the best lays I’ve got over the years had far more to do with upping my charisma and zfg/keep ploughing attitude than walking into a place and having girls throw themselves at me based on looks alone.
By the way, Ukraine continues to be interesting. Girls here are sexy as hell and receptive to being approached – it’s normal here. I’m staying in a suburban area so they don’t get any foreigners here (100% Ukrainian here) and they practically cream their pants when I speak English. Why is that? Because, as adduced above, being a White native English speaker is interesting, and interesting is what sets hearts and pussies alight. It just might be a poosy paradise here.
It’s been said before at this raw truth retreat, so I’m not saying anything new here, but a usefully attenuated guideline to male SMV and predicted success with women would run in this order, from highest to lowest:
Tall, handsome, sociable man with Game
>>
Average looking, sociable man of average height with Game
>>>>>
Tall, handsome, introverted man with no Game
>>>
Average looking, introverted man with no Game
>
Extremely ugly and disfigured man with Game
>>>>>
Extremely ugly and disfigured man with no Game
Anyone who thinks there’s something controversial in the above hierarchy of male mate value has, in my opinion, never lived a day in his life.
Bottom line, no matter your looks and height, or lack thereof, having male charisma is always better than not having charisma in the sexual market zero sum plunderdome for romance, love, and a genetic stake in the future.
I have personally witnessed so many good-looking men get BLOWN THE FUCK OUT by less handsome men with BIGGER BALLS and NIMBLER TONGUES that I came to write this blog partly to deliver to the world the truths that I saw unfold almost daily in the dating and mating trenches of our modern sexual market. And yet there are still some who prefer the safe space of pretty lies where black-pilling passivity and inaction are rationalized as moral imperatives…..how predictable.
SEX EVERY DAY ‘INCREASES MALE FERTILITY’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566279/Sex-every-day-increases-male-fertility.html
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Slightly off-topic [from a previous sub-thread on low sp3rm counts], but this idea that abstinence for a week or more improves your fert!lity is NUTS. Three- to four-day-old swimmers are like senile old geezers, with their dentures out, struggling to suck on the geritol spoon in the retirement home. If you want bunz -> ovenzezes, then f*ck and f*ck and f*ck some more.
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You may be mistaking the actual fertility of sperm with the ability to get pregnant, which was the topic at hand.
If even the healthiest sperm don’t get shot hard enough to get past the defenses and hang around long enough, it doesn’t matter how mighty the little fellows might be.
Most guys can see a big difference in power of ejaculation between every day and abstaining for awhile… even if just two or three days.
And note that one week, or a few days more, isn’t making anyone normally virile decrepit, swimmer-wise.
Your mileage may vary… I’ve got 3 sons that say otherwise… the one time I didn’t abstain for a few days I wound up with a daughter… not that there’s anything wrong with that. 😉
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GE, just because you’re an anecdote which lives well into the right side of the Bell Curve for sperm virility doesn’t nullify the fact that “¡SCIENCE!” has found daily ejaculation to improve sp3rm virility for most of the Bell Curve.
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Never said it didn’t… I said sperm fertility isn’t necessarily the only factor in the equation of getting women pregnant….
And my experience may be anecdotal… but I heard the advice from someone myself, back in the day, so maybe it’s just one of those “wives tales” that happens to work some of the time.
Maybe you could nose around and see if any studies were done on this phenomenon. 😉
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If I had to guess on any science behind this, I’d say that while fresher swimmers are obviously more virile, a bit of abstinence probably increases volume and concentration… not to mention jet-propulsion of initial liftoff. 😉
So let’s say it’s the difference between a handful of Michael Phelps-type swimmers verses a crowd of perfectly viable bronze-medalists getting a more powerful start and able to swim to deeper depths.
Obviously, after more than an optimum amount of waiting (or aging at that level), said bronze medalists won’t be able to even swim laps, so you don’t want to take the abstinence thing too long.
[CH: from what i’ve gleaned perusing the labcoat literature, there’s an optimal ejaculation frequency for sperm health that falls somewhere between nofap and perpetual-fap. yes, constant fapping will (really, MUST) reduce spern number because the body can only produce so much semen in a short time, but extended bouts of nofap will reduce sperm quality. this is why the evidence seems to show that men who splooge regularly but not obsessively have the healthiest sperm.]
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Gotta keep the pipes clean…haha!
Also, from studies I’ve read, fap-ejaculate vs. PIV-ejaculate is different, with PIV-ejactulate being “stronger” or greater in motility.
It was from a study about people trying to get preggo IVF, the success rate was low since the guy had to fap it instead of making a direct deposit. The overall viscosity was not the same as PIV.
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Every 7 days is what I heard. I went no fap in jail a few times. I had the power of an animal. Fucked the first blond woman with big tities whom I approached when I got out. She was on birth control so her pussy sprayed the kid out like a plate of spaghetti two days after.
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Also, from studies I’ve read, fap-ejaculate vs. PIV-ejaculate is different, with PIV-ejactulate being “stronger” or greater in motility.
The bodily fluids and hormones of women affect the sexual performance of men. It would make sense that masturbation and porn are the sexual version of empty calories (like soda, with no nutritional value).
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I knew a couple of those real good looking blokes from school. Every one of them is dating down in terms of looks. It’s a weird thing to see. They also seem kind of lefty to me. It’s like they reversed the roles in their relationships, maybe feminism encourages that because it’s like reverse objectification.
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A few weekends ago, I went to a funeral, and saw a dude there whom I hadn’t seen in several decades. Back in college, he had had studly good looks [coulda been a male model, no h0m0] – he was really, really handsome – but fast forward two decades, and his face is haggard [he has “old skin” now], he dies his hair black, he speaks like a woman [right down to the inflections], and he calls his mother by her first name.
There was a general consensus that he’ll never marry or have ch!ldren.
This guy looked like something out of a friggin Ralph Lauren ad as an undergraduate, but now he looks and acts like a g0d-d@mned undertaker.
The sight of him at the funeral was gut-wrenching, and it bothered me for several days afterwards.
I have a recollection that in the early 90s, he was big into researching the Janet-Reno/Hillary-Clinton Branch-Davidian slaughter at Waco, and was deeply moved emotionally about it.
Which, in turn, suggests to me that he’s probably pretty heavy into some sort of soul-destroying Cuckstainity [rather soul-affirming Chr!stianity].
tl;dr == Nice guys always finish last. And being too nice will literally kill you.
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Correction: nice guys never finish.
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Nice guys finish last….jerks finish on her face
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I know of a tall athletic German guy like this. He is outgoing and has a quick wit that’s funny af. I always thought he would slay pussy, but when he talks to women he says some try hard beta shit. Surprised the shit out of me when I first noticed.
I looked at this hot bitch, with crazy hair off to the side, in a disapproving mocking manner and told her hair looked stupid. She qualified, then I told her it looks like she just had sex. Then she admits to me that she did not have sex last night. She would never tell a beta male that the way she did. I told her that was a big problem. She got that stare women get when they want to fuck.
Then the German guy I mentioned comes over and kisses her ass. She asked him what he did last night (our conversation still warm in her memory) and he tells her some tryhard shit trying to qualify to her to impress her, but it didn’t involve sex. No game to speak of. I felt bad for him. An otherwise dominate man reduced to a child.
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Forgot to mention that he is liberal.
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Every goddamn kraut I meet nowadays is a cuck.
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Fuck him in that case.
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Yep 100%
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Les Saunders, Protestant: “His mother was quite a stern and forbidding figure in his life. To this day, 12 years after graduation, he still lives at home, commutes into the city to work, and is thoroughly single.”
I’m describing a very similar guy up above here, who was a total ‘stud’ in college [at least physically, if not sp!ritually], is probably a devout Cuckstain, calls his mother by her first name, and two decades later is utterly broken as a human being.
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Poor John Candy was only 43 when he died.
Fortunately for him, he had been married for about 15 years, and left behind a couple of k!ds.
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Maureen O’Hara and Ally Sheedy had only one ch!ld each.
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I guess they were cast according to type for that movie – some of the material is gut-wrenching.
Unpleasant people playing unpleasant roles in a deeply disturbing movie.
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Hilarious.Strong beginning, yadayada about the game. “I HAD weak game”-supposedly he has a good game now.And than boom! ” Ukraine continues to be interesting…I’m staying in a suburban area so they don’t get any foreigners here (100% Ukrainian here) and they practically cream their pants when I speak English”.
No boy-your havent learned any game.Dont bullshit us here- I know it because I am from Ukraine. No normal,succesful man with game will trade his place in the West for a life in a depressive “suburban” Ukraine.Unless there is a promise of pussy-something you could never get in Canada.
Filter what you read guys. Traveller to a softer market?=no game, next.
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Cool cooo cool. Ukrainian dudes are jealous of American men. Coool cool.
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“Ukrainian dudes are jealous of American men”
Ukrainian dudes are jealous of Americans stuck with giant tatted hideous landwhales who have been fucked by a thousands cocks! Jew-controlled media and dindu nuffin crime in Kiev…oh wait, Cleveland.
lolz
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Why am I jelous of “american” men? I get the best of both worlds.Besides I live in Europe not america-americans disgust me. I was in Chicago this January- I could not bear talking to an american (man or woman) longer than 2 minutes.
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I can’t argue with that.
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Hey faggot. Post wasn’t about my game, that was a sidebar. And btw My game has improved dramatically over the years. I haven’t traded my life in Canada for suburban Ukraine. I’m just visiting family here for a few weeks. Not here to pick up. And I understand it’s a crummy country in a number of respects – that’s what forced you to flee – but I’ll concede it is superior in some ways to the pozzed West.
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“No boy-your havent learned any game.Dont bullshit us here”
From Caramba’s new e-book, “How to be a Gamma on the Internet”, subtitled “Addressing other men in ways you would never dare to in real life”.
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There is one subgroup of women who will date tall (and preferably handsome) men with little or no game: short women. Something in there short, munchkin genes screams, “Find me someone tall so I can make some normal size children!”
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The question for tall, handsome men must be, why do they throw away their good genes on short women, just to produce average children. But, that would be assuming that these tall men have normal instincts like us. That is our own stereotype of tall men…that they are all intelligent, powerful leaders, which in many cases is far from being the truth. However, it is true that for officers of major corporations, over 60% of the men are over 6′ tall. I bet this applies to many men in Congress, as well, but look at how many of them are also totally cucked.
So, height does give one an unfair advantage (a foot in the door, so to speak), but you have to have something to back it up at some point…be it game with women, intelligence and leadership in the corporate world, or courage and strength on the battlefield.
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Like him or not, if Rand Paul were 6’3″, more people would take him seriously. Trump, who is tall, used this height knowledge to his advantage (e.g., “Little Marco”). I wonder, if Trump were under 6′, if he would be President today.
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Height and looks clearly explain a lot about this faggot, who is a radical liberal and sounds very stupid and weak (contrary to the natural preconception that we all have that a tall handsome White male is strong and conservative). I am not sure that many people can use reason and logic, and separate the look of a man from his actual words and deeds. Thus, we get people like Justin elected to high office.
Do you think when George Soros is looking to a new puppet leader for a nation he says, “Find me a short, average looking fellow”? Nope. I’ll give Justin this, he does have liberal faggot game, the kind that makes the women laugh and giggle on such degenerate shows like Ellen. And, sadly, that equates to votes.
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In my experience, many (maybe majority of) tall men in North America mouth all the progtard buzzwords: “diversity” “equality” “equal pay for women” etc. They are totally cucked. More importantly, they are totally conformist. They buy all liberal (((progressive))) brainpoisoning. They drank the kool-aid.
In Europe, tall guys are usually centrists, some are right of center.
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JR – yeah apparently Rand is 1.73 metres or just shy of 5’9″. Good guy, nice looking wife. A little cucked but getting better under the Trumplaw.
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In my experience, many (maybe majority of) tall men in North America mouth all the progtard buzzwords: “diversity” “equality” “equal pay for women” etc. They are totally cucked.
They can get away with more beta behavior than average or short dudes without turning off the women. And nothing spells “beta” quite like “progtard”.
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Are you not conflating mental problems with no game? Most good looking guys who can’t get laid have some sort of mental hangup.
[CH: garden variety introversion and dullness are common afflictions and not indicative of “mental hangups”.]
If parents embed deep sexual shame into their sons no amount of PUA tactics can save a man.
[sexual shame is a freudian concept that has almost no basis in reality outside of weird religious communities.]
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You go to great lengths about the effectiveness of shaming women, fat people but consider sexual shame “no basis in reality”?
[CH: shaming “women”? no, shaming “fat women”. and the reason is obvious: fat kills romance dead. but i have never met a man who did poorly with women because he had some deep-seated “sexual shame”. that’s not how it goes for the vast majority of men who have trouble getting women. just the opposite really; men have NO sexual shame and a great desire to FULFILL their sexual craving, but lack the courage and acumen to satisfy their desire. the tension between their sexual SHAMELESSNESS and their sexual FAILURE is what causes them to swallow black pills by the mouthful.]
How you are treated throughout your childhood affects you your whole life.
[social shaming of boys will never be powerful enough override their later sexual desires. like i said, most men aren’t deviants acutely ashamed of their insolent boners. what they are is supplicating, fearful dullards who place pussy on the pedestal thinking that will help them get laid, and yes that should be shamed by better men who know it’s not what women want.]
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> How you are treated throughout your childhood affects you your whole life.
Only if you put yourself in self-victimization bubble.
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Question: I took a bootcamp a while back and a problem amongst a couple of the attendees was the inability to imprint a sexual vibe in their interactions with women. Creating deep sexual eye contact sort’ve thing. They can make the girl laugh, keep her interested, execute proper tonality but never sexualize things.
How would you describe someone who conciously knows this is the error they are make but is powerless to correct it?
I guess I would attribute this to something that effected them in their past. *Perhaps* are we aren’t worlds apart in our opinions.
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Okay Mr Neurotic Psychotic Mommy-Issues Jew, I’ll bite.
The Hamster HATES to smell worry, anxiety, apprehension, trepidation, nervousness, or fear in you. It can sniff out those qualities from a mile away. The Hamster wants to sense confidence, insouciance, experience, and just a touch of danger in its Master.
Get your hands out of your pockets, stop grinding your teeth, don’t stare at your shoes, lose the sweaty palms, expose your midsection. Ditch the frog in your voice, and work on moving your vocals down into their deepest, most hypnotically seductive register. Practice voice training with an audio [or audio/video] recorder. Also work on enunciation, but mostly work on moving your voice down as deep as it will go and still be audible to her.
As you move in for the kill, even though your mind is racing at the speed of light [in order to come up with the next playful neg], force yourself to slow your delivery to a crawl. You are the glacier that is methodically plowing over the tundra, expertly moving your hand around to that soft spot in her back and pulling her in closer.
And ZFG. Does Gravity give a d@mn, over the decades, as it stretches perky young teenaged t!ts down to menopausal waistlines? He11 no. Glaciers gonna glace. Gravity gonna grav. Playaz gonna play.
You are a force of Nature.
And her loins are moistening in anticipation of you.
PS: The Great Ones never celebrate when they cross the goal line, into the endzone, because they’ve been there before, and they’ll be there again.
“Been there, done that” is the vibe which drives the Hamster nuts.
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Most men aren’t deviants acutely ashamed of their insolent boners. what they are is supplicating, fearful dullards who place pussy on the pedestal thinking that will help them get laid, and yes that should be shamed by better men who know it’s not what women want.
The Heartiste mission statement. A bit long for a T-shirt, but concise enough for one of the roadside video boards or a quick Internet ad.
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CO, The Hamster is that which rationalizes things afterwards. You need to use a different term for the instinctual things you are describing. It’s more like The Lizard (-brain).
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The Hamster runs furiously to ratinalize. The Lizard immediately turns to flee, or mindlessly flicks out its tongue to feed.
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Karl may be speaking of the experience of (((his people))) on this subject of sexual shaming and hang-ups..
For us gentiles, it mostly doesn’t grok.
/Portnoy rape!
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I want to add to my previous comment: A subset of men who need help with women don’t need to learn game, they should be in therapy.
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Therapy, eh?
That seems to be the answer of (((you folks))) to most questions..
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If you think everything in this world is undermined by Jewish subversion (some things are) you might as well walk around wearing a tin foil hat.
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Quick, off the top of your head, name ANYTHING that’s NOT undermined by Jewish subversion.
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And THAT seems to be another defense mechanism of (((you people)))…
… the minute someone points out some of (((your))) machinations, that means EVERYTHING OMG DA JOOZ!!!
If (((youse))) so schmart, you shouldn’t think in such binary terms…
… or come up with better… or at least newer.. Alinsky shaming gambits.
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(((Oy vey, shtop da poisecution!!!)))
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“undermined by Jewish subversion (some things are)” So the truth slips through. It doesn’t have to be “everything”, just a few of the most important things (please to be making the argument that finance isn’t a Jewish fiefdom).
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@Karl Marx
“If you think everything in this world is undermined by Jewish subversion (some things are) you might as well walk around wearing a tin foil hat.”
Cogent reply Karl. Normally – when I critique Jewish power – I try to make it clear that I am only talking about their power over finance, the media, academia, education, the judiciary, and politics.
I don’t want people to think that I believe Jews control and undermine “everything”.
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So a sociopath Doctor can turn a mere bumbling somewhat autistic dude who is otherwise a good normal fella into a raging psychopath.
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I love this article by H-Bomb, because I too am tall and very good-looking, with long, shoulder length hair and standing 6’1″.
TOTAL AGREEMENT that looks are marginal in value with girls. Total agreement. As a teen, I was left in the dust by others because of my niceness and sweetness (I was cursed with growing up in an upper-middle class Anglo white culture). Later, as I learned to chat, sing to girls, and be aggressive and charming, everything clicked. I wouldn’t even say “game” is totally necessary, as long as you move with confidence, approach persistently, and most of all, ARE COOL, however you define that.
Sympathies to sexy dudes who lack the sexy vibe. That vibe is all.
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what, no ‘click my name to see how much more of a homo i am’?
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A brief warning re Ukrainians chicks (and Russians for that matter).
They expect there’d be a pair of balls in every relationship. They initially expect it from a man, but if he fails to provide a pair, she’ll grow one herself extremely fast. And than, well… it’s you who’ll be fucked, hard, daily.
That switch is a key part you should know about Slavic women. They go from all-feminine to ruthless cut throating bitches in no time – if don’t stop them. This is a learned reaction to the hard reality they faced since birth. They do it by instinct by that point.
I heard hundreds of stories about Slavic mail order brides that were submissive and feminine at first, but turned into Dominatrix mode soon on arrival. Butthurting Betas claim this is due to Slavic women being all materialistic. It is not. They’re really charmed with Western men at first. Gentle, well groomed, polite – a stark difference with goblin-like, rough on the edges Slavic men. But soon Western men fail to be, well, men. They’re expected to lead, they’re expected to own, to act, to deliver – and to own all the consequences (do not ever call them “mistakes”; “mistake” is a consequence you’re trying to disown). Instead, they’ve got endless Nice Guy game. If you’re playing Nice Guy game with Ukrainian woman, you reducing yourself to a wallet – at best.
Can’t blame them, Western men. They were conditioned to relationships where two balls are still expected, but each “partner” supposed to provide one, so they’re usually one short.
I’m pretty sure, Western women, being extreme bitches, still will usually don’t go all the way for coup de grace when they meet typical Beta with no personal borders. Russians will. They’ll rip your heart.
(Also the stated “fact” that Western women are somehow strong is BS. Put her to Russia, put her to Brazil, put her to Romania – she’ll snap in a week. Slavic women are much more resilient and ruthless when they have to.)
They’re still pretty and feminine, the Russians and Ukrainians. Just make sure you are a man before dating one. “Stop”, “no”, “mine”. Learn these words. Use them. It’s THAT easy. Just maintain your fucking borders and assume the lead.
That, or get out of there fast after you tapped that ass before she smells weakness.
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Good advice, __svd. I have dates a couple Eastern European women, and you do have to keep a leash on them…but that actually turns them on, as well. When you do manage to be the man, they are loyal women.
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They shit-test you hard, but they keep their end of a bargain.
And they also avoid involving the state into relationships (because in ex-USSR state is never on your side). A nice change from Western women, who often can’t breathe without the constant state support by now.
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“Can’t blame them, Western men. They were conditioned to relationships where two balls are still expected, but each “partner” supposed to provide one, so they’re usually one short.”
Excellent comment.
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[…] What Life Is Like For A Handsome Man With No Game […]
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I know some will say I just described game but game for me is more the mechanics, like being aloof and like vulnerability game. That’s more what I think of when I think game. I’m describing coolness as a bare-bones minimum requirement, if you can savvy that.
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I’m pretty certain no one here cares what you think. They don’t care what you are trying to describe. They don’t care what your views are. That you consistently fail to pick up on this is remarkable. People see you attempt to ride CH’s coattails and that not going to happen.
Unlike some of the guys here, I’m not trying to be mean. I seriously believe you must have Aspergers of something. You give off this weird, try-hard vibe. But I think you evince sufficient clarity that you can fix it. But you need to just stop. Savvy?
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You’re a total fucktard.
And I would put money on you being Ray Gordon aka Gordon Ray Parker. https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.seduction.fast/4_IZbPHQoag
If not, you’re a pale imitation.
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But the guy with zero game in that story still had a hot blonde throw herself at him. He just turned her down. It’s not that he couldn’t close, it’s that he didn’t close. He probably has a micropenis or something.
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Bingo.
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He suffers from OMS…overbearing mom syndrome, where he was taught that women are either perfect beings high on pedestals, or whores, without much in between the two extremes. He probably saw the beautiful blond and immediately put her on the pedestal side of the equation, only to have his mind f*cked by finding out that she is on the other end (according to mommy) of the scale…whore. He could not make sense of it, and it killed whatever libido that he had going for him.
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> “it killed whatever libido that he had going for him”
In fairness, there’s something to be said for libido-killing. Even setting aside the question of being pro-L!fe and pro-F3cundity – let’s say your a completely anti-Fecund nihilist, and you’re just into sport-f*cking, and nothing more – there still comes a point where you gotta ask yourself if her notch count is just a little too high already for your own personal safety.
Do you wanna spend the rest of life with ven3real w@rts all over your d!ck?
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I get what Captain is saying here. I turned down women that threw themselves at me. Not because there was some shame. Because it just wasn’t sexy for a woman to act aggressive (man like).
Even if she’s pretty, a fem cunt with a high notch count can seem too butch and be a turn off.
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> “It’s not that he couldn’t close, it’s that he didn’t close.”
Couldn’t? Didn’t? How do you discern the difference?
The problem nowadays, for middle/upper-middle-class Nice Guys from Good Families, is in gauging how hopeless the Darkness is in the chick’s heart. How deep in the gutter she is. How high her notch count is. How much stimulation her hamster needs in order to be roused from its slumber.
Do you open with good manners? Do you open with playful teasing? Do you open with soft negs? Do you open with hard negs? Do you open with nukular negs? Or do you just skip the openers altogether, grab her by the hair, throw her to the ground, and administer a wh0refinder-ing r@pe of her @nus right then and there?
SRSLY.
Being a nice guy with good manners and some elegance and sophistication and tact and gracefulness is DEATH in the Sexual Marketplace if the chicks are hoping to hear you scream “Shut up you f!lthy c*nt!” and then proceed to give them a black eye and a broken nose and a cut lip.
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> The problem nowadays, for middle/upper-middle-class Nice Guys from Good Families, is in gauging how hopeless the Darkness is in the chick’s heart.
They were conditioned to court a lady, and post-feminist’s World is extremely short on ladies.
But white men are fast learners.
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“But white men are fast learners.”
This.
Dudes have to man up, grit their teeth, suffer some humiliations from being too nice, maybe have a near brush with The Law from being too Dark, and learn to feel their way to the sweet spot.
Inductive empirical experience [guided by instinct] has to be the gameplan.
There’s no perfect narratival deductivism which will give you the key to unl0cking every chick’s heart [or at least just opening her knees].
Gotta suffer in the trenches for a while.
And batting .300 gets you in the Hall of Fame.
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Although if our society hasn’t reached “Peak Slut” yet, then the sweet spot [in your 30-second courtship of her Hamster] is going to continue to get Darker and Nastier and more Profane [until we do finally hit reach “Peak Slut”].
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Nah, you can use double entendres all day at clubs and just say “Hi” for an opener…if your nonverbals are good. I’m all nice guy with good manners, eleeganz and sofisticashun, maybe tacky, lol, what with ear hairs and pizza cheese in my teeth and a hack job shaving. A hot mess, apparently. Young chicks still wanted to dance with me.
I didn’t even open one girls last Sat. and she engineered a collision and felt my ass. But a smoker…yuk. Another who was with a buddy danced cuddly with me. I opened maybe ten last Sat. night. Lots were hot.
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The difference is about who turned down who. He turned her down. She didn’t turn him down.
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You don’t always have to be too clever when you talk to women, with all of these sly negs and shit. You are not some kind of stand-up routine to amuse them. .
One of the best phrases to use with a woman who is getting above herself is simply “Shut up” or, if she is saying something really stupid just say “Don’t be an idiot.”
I have found that women with any remaining decency will appreciate some frank correction of this kind. And if there are white knights around, the merriment may expand to include them, who you can similarly correct.
Women with no remaining sanity- those who really believe they are equal to men in all areas – may try to physically attack you, but there is an answer for that too.
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Even if he’d sealed the deal with her, getting laid once every 5 years (as that is the only time I’d seen a girl offer herself to him) is a pretty crummy existence, and more of an outlier.
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> How you are treated throughout your childhood affects you your whole life.
“Only if you put yourself in self-victimization bubble.” __svd
This is one of the most alpha and impressive sentences ever set down. My respect.
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Agreed, that was solid. We often discussed in these hallowed halls what it truly means to be Alpha. I believe most agree that it does not mean being the loudest, most violent, most obnoxious, biggest jerk in the room. Those may come in handy, at times, but not as the being the core of the person. Instead, Alpha is the man who, when everyone else says, “Let’s do A”, says, “No, let’s do B, as it is a better way to go. And I’m going to convince you why B is better, and then you are all going to follow me in achieving B.” Now, there are many people that think outside of the box, and come up with new ideas, but that alone does not make them Alphas. Being an Alpha is a social attribute, meaning that you have to be a leader among men. Living in cave and doing your own thing is not Alpha – that’s just being MGTOW. Only in the social realm can an Alpha truly exist and shine.
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Saw a list of what qualities a genius “person” has. My take away from it was that “geniuses” all have alpha male qualities.
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It’s also obvious to any non-Westerner.
Outside of your green pastures, victimhood is a synonym of weakness. Self-victimisation broadcasts weakness and invites more abuse. It’s extremely dangerous, and people try hard to NOT be seen as victims and to own whatever shit happened with them. Because the state is either too weak, or don’t care to step in and protect them.
But here, in West – being a victim is holding the power. Victim runs the levers of state machine through progs-occupied media and charities. And your state is an impressive fucking golem, probably the most powerful thing the World ever seen. It will crush anyone. Nobody can protect from it, – except through being protected by even more dense victimhood cloak.
So, you have Victim Olympics in place with people exaggerating their suffering, or inventing it on spot to secure special treatments: from feminism/”rape culture”, to “Islamophobia”, to “rampant transphobia”, to fucking imagined peanut allergy/lactose & gluten intolerance (“my kid needs special treatment”), to “hormonal issues causing obesity” (that turned 30% of population into lumps of fat over ONE generation). They all fight each other for controlling the levers.
Rest of the World just can’t allow themselves to fuck up their lives and expect their state to cover for them. You can. So you do.
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“Victim Olympics”….I’m going to steal that phrase!
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What’s an event in the Victim Olympics?
The Cuntathalon!
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Nordic Downhill
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* Western Culture Deathcathalon
* Synchronized Whining
* 200 meter border cross
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Jew-do
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“Jew-do”
Laughed out loud.
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“Victim Olympics” = pure gold. I am definitely stealing that.
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I fall under the “good looking and introverted” category — but there are degrees of this. Even in my pre-game days, I could still occasionally make a move on a girl if I felt my chances of success were fairly good.
I could get women in my bed, it’s just that they tended to find me weird after I banged them a few times. I could feign short term charisma, but my idiosyncracies tended to betray me in the long term. I’m basically a borderline aspie.
On the plus side, even before I read about game, negging has always been second nature to me. Even my sincerest compliments have some slight twinge of a put-down within them. I do this at a subconscious level, I think.
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“I could feign short term charisma, but my idiosyncracies tended to betray me in the long term.” Maybe it is just as simple as you had nothing in common with any of those women that formed the basis for a long-term relationship. I have dated plenty of women who solidly fell into the definition of being two dimensional. I was COMPLETELY bored around them when not having sex, and tried hard to find something to do to fill in the uncomfortable times between sex. That is not a relationship, and nobody should pretend that it is. And I feel extreme sorrow for any beta men who think that’s all there is in life….trying to please a woman that you otherwise have nothing in common with…because that is hell. When you do meet a woman who you have things in common with (especially important things, like politics, religion, family values, etc.), and can talk for hours, then the sex is just icing on the cake, and not the cake itself. Go find your cake!
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Good kkkomemt, JR.
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i agree. excellent comment. you see this happen too often and it’s a sad existence.
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I’ve never had trouble getting 6-7s into bed but I never experienced multiple professing love for me until, (very contrary to my upbringing and natural inclination), I started acting like an asshole solely for sake of my own amusement.
Treating women like amusing playthings and being (very) rough in bed has been unbelievably successful for me. And not just sexually. The less I engage emotionally, the more devoted they get.
Sounds sick and heretical and even cruel to those of us raised in pussifying western culture but in actual fact it feels so much more real and natural and satisfying than the standard equal partner nonsense that has been shoved down our throats for the past 70 years.
Try it. You won’t go back.
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Game is not monolithic…it is a gradient. The less attractive your physical features, the more Game you need.
[CH: yes, and the same goes for generic male SMV. alpha -> beta -> omega aren’t discrete categories. they are locations on a gradient.]
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I’m tall and good looking and a musician, so I did alright in my teens and early 20’s anyway even without much game. That being said, nothing like the interest and attention I get now with a little bit of game. I’ve said it before in the comments section here and I’ll say it again: I wish I’d seen this site when I was 15.
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Same here. Was an athlete in hs/college so I did ok with close to zero game. Got nice guy divorce raped and black pilled and damn… I wished I had known in my 20s what I know now. It’s a different world.
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I agree with wishing I’d seen this site when I was 15, but I wonder if at that point in time, if I would have had the wherewithal to distill the information and make use of it.
I don’t think I would have been of the same mind to process and absorb the solid truths.
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I stay telling asleep brothas proud to be fucking bored white girls that these coon ass niggas aint shit.
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I stay telling asleep brothas proud to be fucking bored white girls that these coon ass niggas aint shit.
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Of course you aint gettin no fine nubian princess looking like carlton banks with a bus pass
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Do all faggots suffer with Multiple Personality Disorder ?
Get in the oven, you kike queer.
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i’d fuck you up hayseed
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zelma’s drunk again.
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Doesn’t Carlton actually get a lot of white chicks?
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Carlton Banks has more money and women than you or any of your “niggas” will ever dream of having. You jealous little prick.
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I was working as a waiter for an event once and there was this charismatic man very ordinary looking average height man in his late 30s i would guess and he was the sort of guy would would tease and banter a lot, the young waitresses about half his age were clearly enjoying his company and they were hanging around with him as opposed to the less charismatic but more handsome guys in their early 20s.
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That’s what $20 or $50 tips will do for ya.
Ded Presidents game ftw.
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Seriously, bro. Are you gay or something?
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If you are incapable of learning game, at least learn how to be a salesman and apply it to your life.
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/275645
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This was me. I cringe looking back to my teenage years and recognize so many lost opportunities. Even girls getting pissed that I ‘blew them off’. No, I was oblivious.
Thanks, absent cad dad for failing to give me the tiniest morsel of game. My son is getting the benefits of my hard learned experience.
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Even girls getting pissed that I ‘blew them off’. No, I was oblivious.
This sounds all too familiar. I know what you mean.
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If there’s any single most important lesson that I’ve picked up here, it’s to never pedestalize.
I have always been quick to have something to say to women but I was often too polite. Once I started increasing the teasing, hot/cold and zfg, my close rate went way way up.
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It is too easy to just compliment women. If you just stop complimenting women, they are a lot easier to talk to. Women don’t need any compliments, maybe some empathy from time to time, but compliments make you look like you want it a little more than you need to.
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I’ve remarked on this before – if one looks back at the 1990s, the feminist anti man propaganda was already in full swing, one case being the Hanna Barbera cartoon Johnny Bravo.
Johnny is a young, white man who is the butt of the humour of the whole show. He’s an entirely blameless and good natured man yet he’s portrayed as a buffoon.
The reason why the black propaganda is obvious is because Johnny has a high T face, thick neck, great physique and, most importantly, loads and loads of game.
He always makes the first move
He negs from the outset
He invades the woman’s body space and breathes all over her
He has unshakable self belief
Yet he never ever gets laid. The women are shrikes who always kick him back.
In other words, as well as defaming the basic good nature of an innocent young man, the text also denies the female hindbrain because a man like that should get permanent tight pussy.
Anti man propaganda …
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you don’t say.
JB’s creator “genndy” tartakovsky:
Tartakovsky was born January 17, 1970, in Moscow, to Jewish parents.[5]
every. fucking. time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genndy_Tartakovsky
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It would be nice to see an ironic take on Johnny Bravo, a 21st century version. There’s already a good meme out there of him sneering at, and blowing his halitosis onto, a Clinton supporter.
More of that …
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I’m 6’6 and handsome as fuck. Great career, great personality, beast in the sheets. None of it mattered when I didn’t understand game. I’d get in the door easy enough but once the girls caught wind of niceguy they’d lose interest. I constantly got beat out by inferior men with better game.
Once I learned how to carry myself (thanks in no small part to teachings found on this site) I went from the friendly handsome giant to a legit slayer of women. A tall handsome man with money and peak game is almost impossible to beat out unless you’re famous or a pro athlete. I will still lose prospective HB’s to these types if they’re around, even if they’re not as handsome as I am. Status is arguably the most important factor. If a movie star or hotshot musician is in town the young women flock to go see him.
Game isn’t just for getting women either. It gives you proper perspective in all walks of social life. I quickly became the alpha male in my various social circles and began associating with more alphas as they sensed a fellow alpha. Sometimes this will harm an existing friendship if the friend has been the AMOG, particularly when you clearly should be the alpha and suddenly start acting like it.
Truth of the matter is that when you are big, strong, and handsome, you are expected to lead and you should carry yourself that way. It’s weird if you aren’t the leader. And it’s unattractive/confusing to women.
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Well-said, and many a truth about “expected to lead”… with various disappointments in those around you when you don’t, which can be confusing to the potential alpha who doesn’t understand this (ahem) cross to bear.
And you’re absolutely right about fame being the MAJOR honey that attracts the flies…
Personal anecdote:
I remember back in the late eighties seeing the old and busted Jake LaMotta giving a bit of a closing address to, of all things, a computer security conference… I guess he was making the rounds of banquets and dinner gatherings, picking up ham n’ egg money, but I digress.
After he finished his amusing spiel, ladies half his age couldn’t approach him fast enough, even though there was a roomful of younger men with good looks and good salaries.
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That guy is still alive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_LaMotta
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Trump and Jeb! Bush similarities:
both taller than average, attractive enough
both wealthy from birth
high-ish IQ, educated
Yet look at the differences in their women!
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In today’s world there are so many men who have not even lived one day. Mama-boys who have never left their comforts zone. It is really a sad world.
Would you rather have a conversation with David Livingstone or I-am-a-tough-guy-Jeb! ?
All men must ask themselves, how do I want my beloved ones to think about me when I am dead, what words will be written on my tombstone, how will the world remember me?
“Brought by faithful hands over land and sea, here rests David Livingstone, missionary, traveler, philanthropist, born March 19, 1813, at Blantyre, Lanarkshire, died May 1, 1873, at Chitambo’s village, Ulala. […] Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring (John 10:16)
God bless all free minds, God bless white civilization!
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Better to live one year the Lion than one hundred years the sheep.
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Hey, don’t be hatin’ on Yebbie.
Mezcan goblinas need love, too !
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It’s ¡Jabe!
Please be accurate
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Thread winner.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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What Life Is Like for 14 Year Old Boys: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3130215/mum-sex-with-boy-seduced-naked-selfies-lima-michigan/?CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-TheSun-_-News-_-TwImageandlink-_-Reply-_-TWITTER
She’s one depraved woman as “prosecutors revealed they were investigating if there are more victims”
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Right in my backyard. And the husband, purportedly, is standing right by her.
I’d kick that shit to the curb so hard she’d splatter on it.
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2017/03/chelsea-area_mom_accused_of_ha.html
https://www.facebook.com/brooke.lajiness?lst=1064222708%3A1551075240%3A1490107996
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I’ve noticed a pretty strong correlation between male facial aesthetics and success with women. Not saying behaviour doesn’t factor in, but if a girl doesn’t like your face you won’t even get an audition. *sung in a flaming falsetto* “He’s so tall and handsome as HELL!”
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How does Dear Leader suggest recovering from literal decades of being crushed by a man hating mother?
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My son is lucky that he’ll have all of CH’s lessons early. Men usually learn these lessons the hard way, or they never learn.
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My son is lucky that he’ll have all of CH’s lessons early. Men usually learn these lessons the hard way, or they never learn.
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“I have personally witnessed so many good-looking men get BLOWN THE FUCK OUT by less handsome men with BIGGER BALLS and NIMBLER TONGUES that I came to write this blog partly to deliver to the world the truths that I saw unfold almost daily in the dating and mating trenches of our modern sexual market. ”
Most of these men with tighter game are probably in certain IQ brackets. 100 to sub 100. They wont be helping in rebuilding the west and probably only respond to uncivilized methods. But they have good game so……………….
Oh please they are degenerates, scumbags, and are the reason we are in this mess in the first place. The women know they are stupid so they sleep with them because they know the smarter guys (cucks in redpill sphere lingo) wont put up with their bs.
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da fuq…
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Reblogged this on parallelplace.
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Handsome man checking in here. I haven’t got an overly jock-type muscular physique (I’m 6′ and ripped but I’m very lightly framed)…..but, based purely on facial aesthetics, I can get several thousand matches on Tinder in NYC in a few days. CH’s post is correct, but here are some more observations based on my experiences:
-I have to be very careful of overgaming in the beginning of an interaction. (F-up avoidance game is more useful than regular game at this stage of the process.) Your goal here should be to demonstrate social savviness, not necessarily building attraction. She already thinks you’re attractive, just don’t do anything unattractive, like be a pussy.
-A mistake you can make as a good looking guy is to think “She thinks I’m out of reach, I have to make myself more available to her.” Nearly always wrong. She wants you to be out of reach. It fits the image she has in her head. If you’re not, she’ll almost think there’s something wrong with you, or that you’re weird.
-Conventional game techniques (like straight out negging) are still imperative but they’ll be much more useful to you after you’re banging the girl, to keep her horny/interested after the fact.
-This one took me a while to learn – but it’s almost impossible for me to get friendzoned because the girl usually always has some form of latent attraction to me. Now this doesn’t mean you go out shopping with her and have brunch. But what it means is you don’t always have to go directly and blatantly sexual to market yourself as “hook-up guy.” She’s already thinking about banging you, so you can afford to play it a bit cooler and not “always be escalating” as conventional gaming suggests.
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Checks out.
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“I have to be very careful of overgaming in the beginning of an interaction. ”
Yes particularly with 7/8 girls. Calm and sociable go a long way, but still pay attention to the attraction triggers and little roll offs, scanning around while talking to them, sipping your drink with a quarter turn to them, chatting the guys in the group – this is gold.
Also be aware that 5/6 girls can be hostile to you right off the bat, as they try to preemptively rule you out before you hit on their hotter friends.
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And there you have it – a romance novel for guys.
[CH: no, a how-to guide. the romance novel for men is titled “psychological projection: men believing women value looks as much as men value looks.”]
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Almost forget, one other little tidbit:
Hot girls (both ones you’re banging, or ones who already have your number, or ones on Tinder) will often reach out by writing “Hi” or sending a dumb emoji, thinking that’s all the lame effort they have to put in.
This is also a bit of beta bait to see if you’ll jump at the opportunity to talk to them.
Write the same thing back, or preferably less words. If she says “hey” you say “yo.” Don’t write back a question, don’t lead the interaction at that point. Force her to push the conversation forward until she writes something that is actually meaningful.
(This is really an extension of the play-it-cool bit I said earlier)
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“The key seems to be environmental expectations, or the approval matrix of a culture.”
https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7015
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A reminder that the Alpha Triad – dynamic, passionate and authentic traits – is available to all men who would but try.
Dynamic – a bias for action, initiation, invention. These are male life giving and sustaining traits. A man siting on his ass ain’t bringing in mastodon meat or discovering how to make fire or exploring and conquering new territories or defending existing ones. Male dynamism is the corollary to female reproduction and nurturing.
Passion – a hunger for increasing knowledge and skill. Passion is the fuel for dynamic endeavor, informing and amplifying. Passion brings life to the male trait of mission, which drives the larger society forward in the same way a female’s biological mission is to bare children – but on a broader basis. Passion reveals the mysteries of the cosmos underpinning navigation and exploration, the relationship of musical notes creating Bach’s fugues and the development of medicine.
Authentic – male truth, the counter to female truth which is emotion. Being who you are by living as you say. This is independent of any moral judgement. Authenticity is the bedrock of leadership. So when you declare to drive your enemies from their land, raze their buildings and salt their fields you mean it AND you do it. Walking the talk even when difficult.
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https://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/sentients-dynamic-passionate-authentic-framework/
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