Courtesy of Reb, a very, uh, vivid anecdote of life after nofap.
Every 7 days is what I heard. I went no fap in jail a few times. I had the power of an animal. Fucked the first blond woman with big tities whom I approached when I got out. She was on birth control so her pussy sprayed the kid out like a plate of spaghetti two days after.
There should be a healthy balance between nofap and gofap. Strict nofap is an ascetic demand too great on the male body, unless the man is supplementing his literal downtime with a rigorous protocol of vajfap. But gofap — constant and unregulated personal indulgence of fapping — poses risks to a man’s health as well, mostly I’d guess through gradual wearing away of psychological defenses against crippling self-doubt. The gofapper is typically a man who struggles in the acquisition of the preferred vajfap release, so each crabbed-hand fap over time reinforces limiting beliefs in his sexual and seductive prowess.
The optimal ejaculation frequency is therefore going to be lower for gofappers, higher for nofappers, and like baby bear’s porridge, juuuuuust the right amount for vajfappers. There’s something to be said for “cleaning the pipes”, but more to be said for laying pipe. Really, there’s no upper limit on vajfap; the healthiest (in every measurable way) men I know vajfap like it’s their last. If there’s attractive vaj that wants fapping, the good and honorable vajfapper will never turn it down. Hedonism has its privileges.

Good post to, ahem, offer a release from the bullshit that’s been going on as of late.
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Speaking from experience, you’re absolutely right in terms of the gofappers. Erodes one’s ZFG something terrible.
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I once talked with a girlfriend about female self-diddling.
I said, “I knew another girl who told me she only did it once a week.”
The girlfriend laughed and flatly said, “She lied.”
And yet the stats say a significant minority of chicks don’t masturbate AT ALL.
I have a theory that a girl who isn’t touching herself is waiting for MR. RIGHT and therefore is purging even her THOUGHTS of anyone who isn’t awesome. Also, I knew a girl who wouldn’t even put faces on the men she fantasized to ; for some reason, they all had shadow heads.
Interesting.
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you got to think there’s a similarity. GoFap with bare hands and full spectrum pr0n can make a guy’s wang demand too much from vajfap while a girl can stretch her cooter out or wear out the nub too.
not that it matters if the girl enjoys the real vajfap.
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Stats also say that when women take care of themselves they can often do it in a few minutes.
But stats also say what; close to half of women never orgasm….”at all”.
If so; that would be a pretty good indication that a serious number of women really don’t fap much themselves.
Either way; goes to show the female orgasm is over-rated.
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Most not have been paying attention when I did this one. But yeah; it’s not supposed to Anonymous.
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The shadow heads thing tells me that women are probably more aroused by the feeling of the man than the man himself. This is why looks don’t matter as much for men if you have other things going for you.
I think it was on CH where it was wondered if the female orgasm was a biological goof like male nipples – A male orgasm releases sperm to fertilize eggs, while the female orgasm has no purpose in reproduction.
[CH: the purpose of the female orgasm, funny enough, may be to reassure her male partner that his masculinity goes unquestioned. and feminists wept.]
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On a side note, a lot of young women are watching porn now and masturbating. They’re also very open about it and have an endless array of tools to do so. And while orgasms for males are more like a bodily function we have to get rid of, I think Nofap can benefit females as far as increasing their vaginal sensitivity.
My first lay during Nofap was with the biggest slut I’ve ever been with – 2 hours of knowing her and the first thing she did when we got back to her place was eat my ass. She also had almost no clitoral sensitivity – When I was done she then took a giant dildo the size of my arm and shoved it inside her while stimulating her clit with one of those giant vibrators on the highest setting……And it still took her 20 minutes to orgasm. This was after about 30 minutes of foreplay and sex, too. I can’t imagine how much porn she must watch, or amount she masturbates, or amount of sex she has to be that numb down there.
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“the first thing she did when we got back to her place was eat my ass.”
Did she suck on your tits after that?
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How’d you guess?
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Like a Wallace Stevens poem, such a rhythmic beauty in those sentences…
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H.L. Mencken smiles from beyond.
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The issue with wanking, aside from its near-inseparability from lust, is that it makes the self the other. The act of release is meant to be accompanied with some kind of connection, hence that feeling of dissonance that always seems to follow. At least, for me.
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I’m a NoFapper, and I definitely appear to be more interested in girls than most other men my age or even significantly younger.
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this was poetry.
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“The gofapper is typically a man who struggles in the acquisition of the preferred vajfap release, so each crabbed-hand fap over time reinforces limiting beliefs in his sexual and seductive prowess.”
how often do you see ultimate truth and superb expression converge in a single point?
god I’m happy to have found this place
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Cuffing your carrot is biomechanically hard on the prostate and associated plumbing. Better to wrap a fleshlight tightly in a pillow and hump it as if you were plowing a woman.
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I’ve been a Nofapper for a little over 5 months now. I’ve done it as a way to re-wire my brain after years of stimulus overload, as well as to focus my sexual energy into things like fitness and my career as a self-improvement technique. So far it’s been great and I don’t regret it.
The thing is my libido is more tame than it was when I was fapping multiple times a week, even though I’ve only had 2 orgasms through sex in 5 months. I used to be a real horn dog and that fucked me over a lot by making me chase women way too much. Now I’m more calm – If we fuck we fuck, if we don’t then we don’t. It’s crazy to me now that I can go on a sexually charged date where we don’t sleep together and be fine, whereas pre-Nofap I’d immediately go home and jerk off. It’s not some miracle cure that gets you laid like crazy, but needing a woman to allow a sexual release will definitely make you work harder at approaching and closing.
But overall my interactions with women have been better. In conjunction with a lot of exercise and personal development work it’s lead to lots of positive things. Rather than having women be the prize, I’m way more interested in living a great lifestyle and having women be complimentary to it.
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I have a suspicion that fapping with the help of porn is much worse than just fapping.
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“She was on birth control so her pussy sprayed the kid out like a plate of spaghetti two days after.”
???
[CH: don’t ask too many questions. just ride the lyrical wave.]
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Referencing an abortifacient birth control drug.
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At some point, I intend to begin my mission of revealing to men the world over the potential physical results of not ejaculating for a couple years. It’s not fucking good. My sexual prowess is gone forever. My erection is permanently half the size it was only 4 years ago, and given I’m in my late-40s, it will never come back. (In my case, the cause was medical & medication, and has other contributing factors, but “Use It or Lose It” is a thing. Google that shit.)
Don’t believe me? Look it up for yourselves. I guess if you’re under-25 there are no real potential consequences to nofap (depending on how long we’re talking about), but once you get a bit older, it’s all about the Use It Or Lose It Principle.
No one told me. I had to find out after it was too late for me.
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“mostly I’d guess through gradual wearing away of psychological defenses against crippling self-doubt.”
No idea what masturbation without porn can cause, but it’s unlikely to be a real problem.
With fapping (masturbation to porn), it seems that that enables too much ‘reward’, which leads to loss of sensitivity in the brain areas responsible for arousal, which eventually makes sexual functioning impossible.
It’s also an addiction, and addictions apparently cause worsened executive functioning. The addiction keeps overriding the willpower, which eventually weakens it.
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I agree. I was late to internet life (overseas/anti-computer attitude also) and only had in home internet access by 2005. I was 35 by then. I remember seeing the SportsbyBrooks girls on his website and I was so horny that I felt like I was a 15 year old spying on naked sorority girls. I couldn’t believe how hot the girls were. It was like seeing them in real life. Video/digital images used to have that power. Think of Phoebe Cates in Fast Times for example. But for me, ten years later, and seeing a picture of some supermodel ass or a nineteen year old shaking her huge tits around and I barely care. To see a clip of a nineteen year old jiggling her tits all over the place in 1996 would have sent me into a week long fog of fapping. But now, psshh. All the relentless eye candy everywhere has goofed up my sex drive, I think. Yeah I’m old too, but something went wrong. I realized how bad it was when a guy posted a YT link of a movie clip in order to bolster some point we were discussing. We weren’t talking about sex and swapping pics or anything like that either. The still shot of this YT clip had a topless woman with the most perfect naturals ever, skinny arms, ski jump style boobs that looked rock hard. I barely saw them. I just wanted to click the vid and see what the guy’s point was irt our discussion. Other commentators were gushing over her rack and I barely saw it. I’m one month along in an attempt to rid my life of digital images and get my brain refreshed. It can’t be 100% out of my life, but I’m doing my best. VERY limited surfing (and there are apps that will help you with this), no TV (easy) and no movies (also easy). These eyes saw too much. Neural plasticity to the rescue.
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No easy feat to unplug, man. I wish you strength and success. As you said, neural plasticity works both ways, so I think you can do it.
I’ll suggest, however, that it might be best to take a break even from online forums like this one. We ain’t going anywhere. Catch up on some offline reading for a while.
Stay strong.
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Going on a “sexually charged date”, still not getting laid, and shrugging it off, that would worry me. A lot.
Your sexual drive is one of the best signs of your health. Unless you get tons of vajfap, you need to supplement.
When it comes to porn, one should question why it can be so addictive. My suspicion is that it has to do with the fact that it allows you to choose what you want to watch.
So if you are unable to attract the women you want, and/or get them to do what you want, porn is a quick solution to still get release. The problem is that this very likely won’t get you to take the actions needed to get what you really want, vajfap.
It’s the same for those in a LTR. Some men prefer to fap to some hot porn chick with a tight body, wearing sexy lingerie, and servicing her partner with all her skill, rather than fuck the chubby wifey in boring missionary. But it is not porn’s fault if they let their long term lay turn into something unfuckable.
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Fuck that guys there is spiritual work at play here. Abstinence from fapping is one of the best things that’s ever happened to me. Only vaj. Fapped 4 times in 400 days and had the best 14 months of my life and the growth is continuing.
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I’ve stopped fapping since 26/12/2015, and I’ve been enjoying sex a hell of a lot more since then. And because I need a female to release my cursed seed, I found it as a great spur which compells me to day game whenever I can.
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