There are a few pervasive sexual market myths that cry out for the tender vivisection only a Chateau house lord can lovingly execute. One of these myths is the notion held dear by sour grapes LSMV men that hotties are dead fish in bed.
Reader Passer By comments relevantly,
i remember when an ugly woman (skinny, though) was asking for advice in some men’s forum. She wanted to know if men are going to prefer a pretty woman that rarely makes sex over her, that can offer great sex. The men told her that they will prefer an ugly woman (with good looking body), if she can make great sex, over a pretty women, that rarely makes sex.
So you could give that advice to such women. Sex up!
The men in that forum are lying. It’s what men do when they want to help a distressed woman feel better about herself. But when the rubber meats the hole, men will betray their stated lofty principles and experience hotter, better sex with a hot woman than with a plain jane. Because of this real world dynamic, men will expend a lot of energy seeking one night stand sex with hot women over relaxing in the confines of a secure relationship with a buttaface who puts out more regularly.
Commeter Tarl inserts a pointed shiv,
If you are so ugly that no man will ever climb in bed with you, then your ability to “make great sex” is irrelevant.
True, and it’s a false dichotomy anyway. An unrealistic hypothetical. The “dead fish in bed hottie” is another one of those dumb feminist and butthurt beta male ego-assuaging foundational myths that has no bearing in reality. Hot chicks are actually more passionate in bed because they know their beauty is a turn-on for men, and they get turned on by watching their men lose control. A mind-body arousal feedback loop sets up that can escalate a hot woman’s carnal passion to heights that ugly women only read about in female porn (aka romance novels).
And it’s even more dispiriting for ugly women than that. Not only are hotter women generally MORE sexually wanton in bed than are ugly women, but men are primed to PERCEIVE a hot woman’s sexuality in more glowing terms than they would a plain woman’s sexuality, EVEN IF the plain woman objectively possessed a broader repertoire of sex positions and wider flexibility to accommodate those positions.
There really is no end to the ways in which being a beautiful woman is better than being an ugly woman.
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I suspect the dead fish hottie myth first circulated among beta male strivers who had accumulated some experience bedding genuinely hot women. Hot women have hot woman standards, which can play out as sexual indolence on the rare occasions when a hot woman hooks up with an uninspiring beta male. Rejection stings, but sexual rejection is a scythe to a man’s soul, and many such betas cut down by the turtled snatch scythe will rationalize a hot woman’s lack of sexual enthusiasm as her own character defect. The male rationalization hamster exists, though we may say the critter is slower and smaller than the female version.

G0d, I really hate to say this, but the two ugliest chicks I ever b@nged were both pathologically non-orgasmic.
Both highly intelligent and went on to have great “careers”.
But couldn’t cum to save their lives.
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[For the record, I’d take an HB1 who could 0rgasm over an HB10 who couldn’t, but that just hasn’t been my personal experience.]
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[For the record, I’d take an HB1 who could 0rgasm over an HB10 who couldn’t, but that just hasn’t been my personal experience.]
Why? who cares if the girl comes.
also, what do you athletes think you’re doing in the bedroom anyway?
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‘Why? who cares if the girl comes.’
HM, I’m glad I’m not your w!fe.
PS: You can either give your woman her 0rgasms, or else you can rest assured that YaReally is sneaking around behind your back to do it for you.
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I never could blow my load with an H1B, Hindu chicks don’t turn me on.
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maybe captain bvious is thinking about enthusiasm versus orgasm.I’ve had hot girls who can’t and who can and in between…I wouldn’t say I ever saw a difference in how fun it was for me. The hotter the better it was I’d say.
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when I make a woman come, it turns me on.
many things turn me on, her looks and the way she kisses and touches me of course, but when I make a woman have a strong orgasm or better yet multiple ones ( that is rare ) it turns me on like crazy.
I suppose not every man is like me.
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why does it have to be a 10 versus a 1 ?
if it was a horny 6 vs a cold 9 , many would pick the horny 6.
if she was a 1 and the horniest woman on the planet very few (if any) man would want to have sex with her.
I think Captain typed his comment too fast, I doubt he would do a 1, maybe a 4 or 5 but not a 1.
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“I don’t care so long as I cum” is a good attitude to feign with or without secondary motives that want to see the mess I make of her.. His pleasure outranks her pleasure or a woman gets no pleasure.
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if shes a 1 u can drop the h
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In my experience girls who are 2+ below me in SMV cum almost immediately, or at least they very convincingly pretend to cum almost immediately, which is pretty much the same in my book.
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[…] The Myth Of The Sexually Lackluster Hottie […]
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No, this isn’t true. Quite frankly I don’t think there’s any correlation. I’ve been with hot women who were painfully boring and hot women who were amazing in bed. And the same goes for the uglier girls.
But this may be getting into a different can of worm. Some men, for an array of reasons, may need more “wildness” out of a woman in order to be satisfied.
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Its mostly about chemistry in my experience. That lame ass chick might be fabulous for another guy and vice versa.
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+1
It’s one of those wishful thinking posts.
There’s the 10 who just lays there like she’s a log and then there’s the 10 who makes you look like you’ve been trying to hug a hungry tiger.
There’s the 7 who uses the time to write her shopping list and then there’s the 6 whose screams wake them up 3 blocks away and scare the parrot.
BUT…..as always on ‘manosphere’ forums, posting any batting average below .1000 is a major no-no and will be savaged, so no one does it.
Wouldn’t be ‘Alpha’.
[CH: the point of the post since it sailed over your head is that it’s a myth to single out hotties as particularly prone to sexual listlessness, when in fact hotties are more likely to be wild in bed than non-hotties.]
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then there’s the 10 who makes you look like you’ve been trying to hug a hungry tiger.””””’
rofl
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The more a woman than thinks she “outranks” you, the less you turn her on. For most men, the hottest women they’ve fucked were in average the least enthusiastic.
(PS “Blah blah NAWALT I knew one guy who ran into one exception”, fuck off, I’m talking about averages)
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“On average”.
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That’s all true but is the shiv really necessary here?
[CH: yes. call it shiv and awe.]
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True: Best sex from the most attractive.
BTW, my shiv has pimples.
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I once had sex with a university girl who abandoned her studies (in biology, natch) to be with me in bed. If she’s attractive AND extra-interested in you, that’s the best. I do seem to recall she failed her exam afterward or performed very badly, all cuz’a me. *shrugs* Them’s the fates when you deal with a seductive god… (Oh, also, I met her in the Student Union building. I love those. The cuties always like lounging there…)
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No you didnt
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Generally, it is youth and beauty in a woman that inspires love and lust in a man. The reason for this is biological — young and beautiful women will tend to produce healthy and more adequate offspring more often than not.
The only bad sexual experiences that I can account for are those less-than-hot women I courted before I became aware of game. It’s probably because of what CH says. Obviously, I wasn’t that much into them and the whole experience basically became a circular loop of dissatisfaction being affirmed.
And who the hell wants a chick who is “good in bed?” That question implies that she is a slut. The entire sexual experience is largely derived from what you get from it. The hotter the woman, obviously the more aroused you will feel. Everybody in real life would prefer to go to bed with a virginal HB10 than an HB6 who is the master sexual positioning thanks to the carousel.
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‘And who the hell wants a chick who is “good in bed?”’
Have you ever dated a non-0rgasmic chick?
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I can’t say that I’ve ever dated one that fits that description. Though some reach 0rgasm more easily than others.
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I dated a girl who didn’t make any noise at all. It was the most disturbing thing in the world. She was my only dead fish and I stayed in the relationship way too long cause the rest of it was pretty good but never again. A little enthusiasm goes a long ways.
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sex with a beauty you want to re-live. sex with a fugly – to forget.
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sex with a
beautychick who is into you want to re-live.LikeLike
her being into you is implied, why else would she put out. point is, i’ve never heard a story beginning with “she was so good in bed i almost missed the giant wart on her nose”. no one wants to be in the position to tell a story like that.
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Her being into you is pretty much ALL THAT MATTERS.
If she isn’t throwing her heart & her soul into her 0rgasms for you, then NEXT.
[Obviously you need to be bringing the experience & expertise to the bedroom so that she can 0rgasm for you in the first place.]
Don’t be wasting your life on a ch!ck who refuses to lay it all on the line.
Who’s holding back something from you.
B!tch who holds back is a b!tch who’s about to thrust a knife in your back.
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i see. by “into you” you mean she fully submits, orgasm being the proof of that. of course, that goes without saying.
i’m talking aesthetics.
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Dude, if you ever cross paths with {aesthetics} + {full submission}, then move immediately for:
BUNZ -> OVEN
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i have it man. 12 years and 3 kids later i still find my gf hot.
the thing is, several months into game, she does too, again. i had forgotten how awe looks in the eyes of one’s woman. and in her girlfriends’ eyes. and the chicks at work. i rediscovered life.
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Also, CH, the hotter the girl, the harder the boner. The harder the boner, the better the sex. The better the sex, the better the load…
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For you, but what about for her?
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I have an anecdote of somebody who was bragging about getting oral sex from a woman who had no teeth. “Dude, she gives the best BJs ever!!!”.
Not sure if he was yanking my chain (it was a very long time ago, and he was weird), but to me, having any sexual contact with a toothless woman is wrong on many levels. Unless she is an HB9 or higher who wears dentures… I don’t think having no teeth should be a sexual selling point.
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Men sometimes brag about their ugliest lays as much as their hottest. I think it just makes for funnier stories.
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seen guys that bumped uglies being teased. entertaining, yes. them bragging, hardly.
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so, just heard Chelsea Clinton was just given a “Lifetime Achievement Award” -for ugliness i guess.
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Mediocre women painted to look like a hotty (and struggle to walk in heels because they hardly ever do it) have put so much effort into their ruse that they think they deserve to just lay there like a log and get “serviced”.
But it’s true. Real hotties – heh. Thought my balls were going to pop.
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a woman should be pleasing to look at in the morning, without makeup. anything else is cheating.
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sure but a little effort goes a long way.
a girl who hardly ever or never dolls herself up with makeup, heels,and feminine clothes for her man, is a girl who is falling down on the job and cares very little about pleasing him.
and if she does all that for special events, with girlfriends, coworkers, or family, but not when it’s only the two of you, that’s a big problem.
i’ve been there and i believed her when she said it was all about her wanting to be comfortable. i wanted to make her happy so i didn’t say a word. little did i know it was a sign of a bigger problem.
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true, of course. your woman should be eager to please you.
i was talking about the purely genetic side of it. mine sometimes puts some eyeliner on, but she hardly needs to. no jewelry, no lipstick. but she’s kept her figure. wears lace lingerie at home, since i discovered dread.
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potss like this remind me of that big faget hearts fired this blogs a lot cooler now tho thx mr hearts
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Heartiste, old buddy, you’ve expressed your opinion on this topic before. And it’s one to which I’ve given considerable thought in my many years; my conclusion is, I honestly don’t know.
I’ve experienced all kinds. Very attractive women that outranked me SMV-wise that were both dead fish and out-of-control sexual freakazoids. As well as plainer women that both drained my balls like no other or were uninspiring.
Regardless of how attractive the woman, and beyond the level of alphatude a man brings to the equation, there’s there’s this overlying fact – some women just plain have low base line libidos, to the point where sex is less important to them than an average healthy woman. And some, thank God, have what I’d call high base line libidos. As to whether there is a correlation between a woman’s attractiveness and her basic libido level…beats me.
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Women with a low N count don’t know how to be good in bed and often haven’t had an orgasm from PIV sex. It’s the man’s job to teach them.
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When does the media stop accepting these claims as prima facie? This stuff has blown-up in their faces a number of different times recently.
“JCC bomb threats: Teen suspect arrested in Israel”
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How though? They keep lying and shitlibs keep eating it up.
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Weren’t there like a hundred “Trump supporter threw my hijab in the trash today and screamed “this is America now, bitch” stories?
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I would add that hot girls develop an aesthetic sense of their own beauty that is autoerotic. THEY see how pretty they are, in a mirror, in a snapshot, and have an almost out-of-body experience where they are watching themselves in their own homemade pornography.
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THEORY: This is believable to some because ugly chicks are willing to fuck anybody, including that beta, while hot chicks don’t want sex with any man not their equal and, should she find herself in bed one night with a beta, will allow it but won’t be able to enjoy it.
My own take on it is different from what I just wrote. If sex is good, the Man makes it good. If he’s so nervous about finally laying that once-in-a-lifetime hottie that he coldfishes the girl, that’s not really her fault. She was down, and despite his nervousness she didn’t back out. That’s him. Women are depraved. If you want to know how “sexually skilled” your woman is in bed, dominate her and use her for your pleasure.
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True; if she’s really a “cold-fish” why aren’t you dominating her or having her perform some sex acts to get her going?
Be a man.
And no people; I’m not talking rape for you feminists or random psycho’s out there.
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I fucked a fat chick once just to see how mean I could be to her before she had enough. We are talking one session here, so it was intense for her. Now she was on the chubby side, but I would say that probably 75% of the men out there would have jumped at the chance to fuck her (big tits cute chubby face) but she is below my usual standards. So I pretty much did all this rough shit to her and called her mean names and humiliated her during this sex session. Even after that she still contacted me but I continued to pour on the abuse and also bringing her in sometimes only to push back away.
When she had enough, she told me she was done with men and was going to be a lesbo. She said of all the things I did, the physical abuse did not turn her away. It was the humiliation that broke her. Interesting. I gave her a good fucking other than that. Also she may have gotten pregnant because I nut in her quite a few times.
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You seem nice…..
Also….are you 12?
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Heeeheeee
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OK – In *my* experience; The hottest woman I’ve ever nailed (tall, thin ~8.5) was absolutely a total “dead fish” in the sack. The cocktail of head-meds she was on (Klonopin+Pamelor+something else) likely contributed to her Dead Fisheyness..
She was also a somewhat militant “Feminista” – this was back in the 1990’s, when that was relatively uncommon.
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Klonopin is one messed up drug. My mother used to take it for anxiety and once, when I was over anxious about something, like “sky is falling” bs, she gave me a quarter of it and that knocked me out damn near instantly.
And, SSRI’s and other meds affect a woman’s libido, as well as her biochemistry to where she’s numb with all things, klonopin being one of the worst to create that numbness.
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SSRI’s will inhibit a man’s ability to orgasm (do I speak from experience? Painfully so), so imagine the knockout effect they can have on women’s sexual experiences.
That said, Klonopin and Pamelor and something else? It’s more a shock she wasn’t a “dead fish” all the time, irrespective of her attractiveness.
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wow, feminism and mental illness. never saw that combo coming.
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Girl rejects guy, er, fat girl, rejects guy, then gets mad when he agrees with rejection:
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Just goes to demonstrate that an explicit rejection from a woman is often simply a shit test, and not a real rejection. The shit test part is that if the man reacts like a butthurt gamma, then it magically does become a real rejection.
But an explicit rejection from a man to a woman IS a real rejection, since we don’t do that shit test crap. Furthermore, the women know this, which is why they take the explicit rejection so poorly.
A real rejection from a woman is done by cold-shouldering and avoiding the man.
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That sums it up perfectly.
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“Just goes to demonstrate that an explicit rejection from a woman is often simply a shit test, and not a real rejection. ”
this is so true, yet so counter-intuitive and illogical to a male brain. i would never have come to the conclusion weren’t it for heartiste and later, rollo’s blog.
a whole new world to explore. the hunt is so much more rewarding with a pocketful of magic bullets.
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There’s always one: “Did he die?” was one reply. She tried to play it off as a “joke”, but really was using it as a lame-ass excuse: men may react violently to rejection, so anything a woman might do re: rejection (giving or receiving) is minor and justified in comparison.
And of course, NAMALT is a copout here, unlike when muzzie go shitstorm.
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repeating my comment on an earlier thread about this and, to add to the other comments, if you actually aren’tinterested in a girl that rejects you, you’re better off just saying “k np take care” or the like, and NOT agreeing you’re also not feeling it, even if it seems it’d be making this less awkward. she’s likely to go off the rails and take it personal.
case in point, in my more beta days i did this once to a girl who flaked on a date i didn’t want to go on anyway (nice body but ugly face, and learned she was a professional strap-on soloist), who backed off on some or other pretense. when i agreed we prolly weren’t a great fit she really lost it and it took it hard. what a mess. shoulda just zipped it and counted my blessings i’d gotten off easy.
of course if the girl is a betch or if you want to keep it going, that’s a different story, see above comments
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fast forward to about 1:00. Pretty sweet confession.
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what she doesn’t get, what the whole left doesn’t get, is that the amygdala doesn’t do humor. it’s too busy taking it itself seriously, which ultimately equals d-u-m-b.
“I love the smell of napalm in the morning” sticks in strong/smart people’s brains for a reason.
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dumb bitch doesn’t even know how to wear a proper facemask
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There time is past. A million girls like her repeating this message could not change the Left. Not least because we understand their ideas and tactics, but that do not understand ours at all. The live in an (((echo chamber))).
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*Their*
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Shit.
*they*, *They*
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she actually seems semi-cool enough to have a beer with. i.e., not a 100% ret*rded libfag. “it’s not about that [love]” is very astute. and saying the alt-right is funnier is a tacit admission that truth is being spoken – genuine humor often works because it’s an observation of truth, since all humor is based around something being unexpected or abnormal. (the SNL Trump skits mostly ring false for me, which is why I usually find them unfunny. same for lefty memes, they tend to be lacking logically.)
also i didn’t sense she was advocating violence (as the narrator states), just acknowledging it as a potentiality.
“you look like herbs” LOL
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Well, if we can just bait the (((left))) and their pets into going full “Gas the Whites Race War Now” we can just skip past all the bullshit and settle it. But of course, they’ll probably just keep throwing pussy hats, gay pride parades, and black lives matter riots in black ghettos at us.
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With a nose like that, she needs a full shemagh – there are more reasons than just sandstorms why they wear those in the Middle East.
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He will not divide us turns to he will nut inside us…
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Any man with a lot of experience with women will tell you the hottest women are usually the worst lays. Why? They’re in such demand they don’t have to work that hard. That’s the man’s job. And they can easily move on to others.
The hotter than average but not the 9s and 10s, say 6-8 are usually the best.
Women have told me good looking men are similar. Not that great in the sack.
[CH: the best lay i ever had was with a bona fide HB9. she was enthusiastic, and i was turned on beyond the bounds of human sensation.]
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there’s different types of ‘hot’. some narcissistic glamor girls who look phenomenal and make any guy with them look like a billionaire, can be pretty disappointing in the sack. oth, some earthy, corn-fed, sporty girls with pretty faces, rocking bods, confidence, and a desire to please can provide a lifetime’s worth of good fapping imagery. take your pick: looks like she should turn any guy on, or ACTUALLY turns YOU on.
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I have to agree with CH here. I think some guys approach these women like they’re precious snowflakes and that turns them off. You have to plow them like a corn field, which is often a new experience for them.
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This is not my experience at all. I suspect a lot of men lie about it when they say:
A. They have all this experience with women.
B. They say they have all this experience with the most attractive women.
Not calling you a liar dude, but my experience has been that the difference is enormous. When you are VERY attracted to a woman, your natural game, sexual intensity and inner spirit come out. She’s flattered and turned on, and becomes very open sexually, and thus will treat you to a world of delights. The difference is stupendous.
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The 2nd hottest chick i banged was so fkn formulaic that i dumped her after 5 fucks. She could only cum in two positions, and one requred a table, so without a table she was a one trick pony
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I don’t know if it is just a myth. In my experience very hot chicks (personal 9s) were logs.
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Much like the Myth of the Hornless Virgin.
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I think these beta males may be right, but only due to one extenuating circumstance: alcohol.
Were these guys bedding hotties because one or both was drunk? That might explain the lack of dynamic sex.
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Its not a lie. Its kind of a roundabout truth maybe. If you have something great, you can afford to wait for a better offer. If you have something people want bad, you can relax, sit back and collect offers. On the other hand the Village Bicycle is hardly something that can be priced high. Being used and used by everyone it has little intrinsic value besides being operational and available. Women would like to believe aesthetic beauty is not highly valued, but with all the money they spend on cosmetics its the same kind of feel-good BS that every other feminist lie comes down to. Very few women really believe feminist lies, but like blacks the dumb ones are the only true believers and the rest use it to excuse the rampant favoritism that excludes the White Men that built that, and that, and everything else you need.
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The hotty who had the best orgasms with me was a human rights lawyer working for the Innocence Project and I have to say they do some great works. She was an empathy liberal showing no special favour towards foreigners or gays, and she looked exactly what a woman should look like.
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best sex for me when i’m in love
but since been back yea allways have most fun and treated best by the hottest one around they the ones that feed me at table wash my balls in shower and shit
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wierd too that the hottest ones like spending time with me the most
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What I would guard against in the hotties is narcissism. They can be very nice to you and spoil you rotten at times, but it’s not about you, it’s about their perfect life, their perfect performance and you wouldn’t want to have kids with that.
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what the fuck wrong with a perfect life
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the semper occultus on yer yarmulkah is showing, jookip
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UKIP sounds more “gay” than Jew but it’s possible a combination of the two.
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I have written this here a couple years ago: the quality of sex is a function of the hotness of the girl. period.
You can’t get more bitchy than a virgin and it is still the best sex, if she is hot.
“experience” for girls is a myth
for men also. an “experienced”men is one who, either by having lots of sex, or working out hard, or both, is flexible and storng enough to place the girl in every position he wishes.
Anedocte: once I had a knee surgery. the first time I tried sex some 4 months later, every muscle, from my abs until the knees, hurt. That’s beta sex. You can’t do anything because you lack muscles. and even the little you do, hurts or tires you
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Isn’t the article self-deception by CH? Athletic women tend to be better in bed. It really depends on chemistry, something beyond looks. He is trying to square the circle with his looks uber all philosophy.
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This myth couldn’t be any further from the truth!
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Any man who has actually had blow-you-away sex (the kind that makes you go WOW!) with a really stunning beautiful woman, and not just lying about it, and has actually had that life experience, knows that a good hard athletic fuck with a stunningly beautiful woman is like 10 or 100 times better than sex with pretty much anyone else. If you have, you know, if you don’t know, don’t even try to lie its not gonna fly with a guy who has.
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