Agnostic has some biting words for proponents of the theory that (White) conservatives are K-selected and (White) liberals are r-selected.
Who has larger families, lives in low-density areas, where land has not been over-developed, with abundant resources, lower threats to their security, etc.? Not liberals.
Only a retarded and ignorant idea, i.e. that conservatives are K-selected, can lead to the prediction that conservatives would be pushing a “one child policy” rather than being the most fervently natalist.
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Urban blacks shoving their open hands in the white man’s face is as r-selected as it gets — abundant resources (white people’s money), squeaky wheel gets the grease, intense competition amongst each other and against other non-white groups to get the biggest piece of the white money pie.
They have no fear of over-grazing the white cash commons, or killing the honky goose that laid the golden egg. See post-colonial southern Africa.
But that’s just the demand for welfare from blacks.
The actual provision of welfare comes from whites, and it’s K-selected — part of a stewardship strategy to take care of one another, now that in an industrial urbanized ecology, resources are no longer so abundant that anyone can sustain themselves and their family.
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The demand for welfare by whites is of course not r-selected — they don’t shove their hands in the man’s face, trying to suck up as much as possible, more and more over time, with no mind toward whether there will be enough money for everybody.
Whites are ashamed to receive welfare, are loathe to use it because “it’s there for those who desperately need it,” and do not want to over-burden the system into collapse.
Those are all signs of K-selection.
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The Trump “conservatives” (especially in the new ground zero of the GOP, Appalachia — not the Plains and Mountains) are K-selected and see welfare state policies as necessary so that our industrial urbanized ecology doesn’t allow people to slip through the cracks.
The heyday of individualist Frontier conservatism was the Reagan years. Anyone pretending that it’s still a pre-NAFTA, pre-HMO environment is going to be wildly out of touch, and acting on the wrong side of history.
To summarize, the anti-welfare fanatics on the Right are guilty of anti-white demonization, whereby they portray poor whites as having the same characteristics of poor blacks.
When TruCon fatboys like Kevin Williamson spitefully argued that Trump’s White base — downscale Whites who’ve suffered under runaway oligarchism, poz infection, and mass immigration — should be “allowed to die” in so many words, I felt disgusted (a K-selected trait, mind you) by his heartlessness. And I know why. Because he was in his way equating BadWhites with blacks and other rapacious, grasping nonWhites. Williamson was shitting on my in-group. My tribe…well, a few Whiteness degrees removed, but they’re more my kin than some squatemalan border jumper or arab islamofreak.
Principled Conservatism doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if your country turns into a beaner outpost. TruCons need to come around to the traditionalist notion that it’s Ok to support your fellow White Americans in need, and doing so doesn’t automatically mean you have to extend your charity to the whole fucking world.
Agnostic’s post is pretty good, but unfortunately his commenters don’t bring the same amount of sense. A couple of them even tried arguing that liberals are more forward-thinking than conservatives. Yes, the same liberals welcoming Dirt World rapefugees and opening the borders wide to any parasite who wants to suck at the White American teat in perpetuity. Real forward-thinking!
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Update: Anonymous Conservative has responded to Agnostic’s post. It’s an effective rebuttal, imo.
SQUATAMELAN!! Hahaha … the Heartiste is truly the Shakespearean bard of this Godforsaken age.
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Yes: love that witty portmanteau neologism by CH. This new-coined word should enjoy wider currency. Start using it…today!
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“whereby they portray poor whites as having the same characteristics of poor blacks.”
Except that they don’t portray blacks that way, that sort of vitriol is reserved for poor whites. Apart from whatever intra-white class warfare is going on here conservatives are completely subservient to the cultural dictatorship. Politics is downstream from culture, so’s their paychecks.
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Poor whites = white trash
Poor blacks = Aspiring engineers systematically oppressed by fascist cis white policemen
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Today’s Google doodle deserves a post of its own to deconstruct it:
[CH: what is that even supposed to mean? jfc, spoogle the nexus of all evil in the world. trust-bust them to hell and back.]
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Note that gay boy and the two disabled boys are white, and the only fully functional male is black, and he is also the tallest and has his arm around the Christian white girl while wearing a t-shirt whose ideology is “science”. Note the transgender kid’s t-shirt’s symbol bears a very strong resemblance to the cross on the t-shirt of the girl next to him. Who are the people in the background throwind devil-horn shadows supposed to be?
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The cutesy nature of the graphic (more appealing to young, idiot, women–i.e. the, now, thought leaders) is stomach turning.
How could you be so twisted to produce something like this for the machine? How could be such a grovelling sycophant walking gaily over the bodies of your kin?
What will you say when the tears do not help with mercy?
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Also represented: the ever-so-common blue-eyed Jewess. “Hello, fellow white people! You’re so awful!”
Why do most of them have their eyes closed so tight?
Was gay boy in some sort of horrible accident with an industrial lathe? Where are his arms?
The white girl is the only one with odd body proportions, and fat legs.
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The missing arm is an occult symbol for the loss of power. Check out the whole pre-caitlin jenner conspiracy on youtube.
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[…] Questioning The r/K Theory Of American Politics […]
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Suspect that our host is an American Southerner with ancestors from the based side of the hajnal line. N’est pas podna? Feel free to deny if it hits *too* close to home.
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Biased Papist: Make that “n’est-ce pas?”
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I really don’t know what Agnostic is smoking on this one. The Anonymous Conservative has pretty much cornered the market on this, and his websites and books have almost conclusively proven the lefty-mindset is purely r, while the non-cucked anti-left is K. Agnostic’s arguments on this don’t persuade in the least.
He is perhaps confusing cucks with K.
He tends to go down weird rabbit holes at times. Nowadays he’s all about national healthcare. He also makes a loopy argument that gays like dogs while non-degenerate males like cats, which is almost the total opposite; gays and moron women like cats and tiny toy dogs that are treated as cats, while non-degenerate men like dogs—well-trained dogs.
When he’s right, he makes a good case. His arguments on lovers of female sports being inner-trannies is a pretty good one, and his arguments about cocooning v. gregarious generations/time periods in the 20th century have a good logic to them.
But no enemies to the right, gentlemen.
Protect your allies and always shoot towards the enemy rape!
[CH: a fair assessment rape. agnostic is like pleasureman; both are natural contrarians at heart, and while this can lead them to insightful lines of inquiry, it also leads them down self-contradicting rabbit holes, and makes them inherently untrustworthy to anyone grounded in common sense. agnostic’s dog-cat theory is a perfect example of this stupidity trap that obligate contrarians often find themselves stumbling into on account of their personality defect. anyone with a lick of real world experience can tell you that cats and decorative dogs are a childless woman and homo thing and real doges are the domain of cislord shitmen.]
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It’s merely a question of who you identify as your allies and in-group. For many white people, not all other white people qualify. Hell; there’s a reason that Americans 100 years ago didn’t really think of the southern Italians, eastern Europeans and the Irish as “white.”
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The same ones latter accepted nigger cocks into their daughter anuses!
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“Whites are ashamed to receive welfare, are loathe to use it because “it’s there for those who desperately need it,” and do not want to over-burden the system into collapse.”
My experience (admittedly anecdotal) is that this is no longer true. Plenty of white folks are on the government teat (howdy single moms!). Many might view it as ‘cleverly’ gaming the system that ‘helps out everyone but them’, but they don’t feel any serious shame about it (single moms certainly don’t).
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When minorities are 15% of the population and 50% are on welfare you have a manageable 7.5% parasitic class, which makes the host moderately uncomfortable. When minorities expand to 35% and half are on welfare, the infection has hit 17.5% and the host dies. To reference a kids game, the music has stopped, get your damn chair.
NAFTA accelerated the destruction of your neighborhood and the parasites are going to kill the host before you get your SS/medicare dollars back… Go on disability and get what you can now. That isn’t an r-selection mentality. Its K-selected, because if the resources are finite you are going to want as much for yourself as possible.
Incidentally, its also not a given that high birth rates are r-selection trait either. Who do you trust the most? Family. That sort of thing becomes important in a country that has rapidly increasing levels of distrust.
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You’re right. Our problem is that Black “culture” is infecting White Kultur. It always starts with…the wymmen, because, being more sensual than rational, they are more easily corrupted.
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I figured I’d search for “single moms” before commenting on this very thing. There may well be some on welfare that feel ashamed to receive it, and who have no intention of living off of it. To those, I would feel some sympathy, to the extent that they actually follow through on their intentions.
To those who have every intent of living off of welfare because children have been legally converted from a liability to an asset, however… I mean, they’re responding to incentives, but what comes along with that is single motherhood, low offspring investment, boys that grow into feminized men, girls that grow into masculinized women, and baying for increases in entitlements.
r, K, whatever–I don’t want that kind of shit to be subsidized!
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agnostic obviously has a personal preference for cats and tries to justify it with weird theories. Its okay man, you like cats. Good for you. Most of us think they suck. To each their own.
But though he’s flawed, his biggest virtue is that he is genuinely thought-provoking.
[CH: agreed. he’s a regular read for me. i don’t expect every dissident thinker to bat 1.000.]
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Isn’t Agnostic a gook or hapa?
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http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/30/polar-bear-photographed-praying-next-to-cross
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I don’t understand why minorities aren’t much more sceptical of white liberals. Surely they must see the disdain Libs have for common as muck whites and realise that they (the minority) have more in common with the hated whites than the white liberal elite and therefore are probably despised also.
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Because they have no shame and they know who gonna toss ’em the children’s bread.
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That would require thought, rather than animalistic response.
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That image is so perfect for the ongoing fake “controversy” about global climate change that it almost seems like…a miracle! (All it needs is Brother Dominic.)
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It’s a sharp cut, but not deep to the bone of Truth.
Kkkonservatives are KKK selected and liberals are not because:
Conservatives having more children is actually a way of K selection. Each child is a willing effort to exist afte death, to keep Civilization an abstract βeta-dimensional construct. Each child is a potential man or wymyn, each child is the future. Each child is non-jungle, non-free-consequences sex, the opposite of what blacks, monkeys and Neo-bolsheviks have. Each child is delayed pleasure, less money less short term satisfaction, less meaningless capitalist stuff and less sex. Each child gives pleasure after a long long run. Liberals can’t wait for pleasure, they want it now and they don’t want to care about consequences.
They want the tingles let non-Whites in; future? civilization? What’s that? Too abstract, must KKK stuff. Gonna extinct after death as pleasure does not follow you not even the next door, what about the tomb?
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Whites are ashamed to receive welfare, are loathe to use it because “it’s there for those who desperately need it,” and do not want to over-burden the system into collapse.
Those are all signs of K-selection.
Absolutely. I myself am a white welfare user (disabled) and feel just this way. I was raised in Goldwater’s Arizona by parents who taught me to believe that the world doesn’t owe me jack shit. I am very grateful for the benefits I receive. I simply cannot fathom people who would demonstrate because their welfare check is too small. They should consider themselves lucky that they get anything at all.
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Productive work has been made illegal due to regulation. Chances of amassing a little capital made impossible by taxation. Plenty of ways to get around this if you’re willing to skirt the law, which puts whites into a Hobson’s choice quandary. The bennies people get are just a sop to keep them quiet until they exeunt stage right.
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In Appalachia it can be easy to lean towards despising the white welfare OxyContin addicted recipients as total losers equivalent to the inner city sh*tskins, but I don’t think any other industry so crucial to their own self sufficiency has ever been demonized as much as theirs has been. The last President literally declared a war against it. Without coal to make a living with, there is little else for them to do to support themselves.
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I have little sympathy for any welfare recipients, including our worthless retirees, but you’re one of the few classes of people who is merely unfortunate and I have no issue with paying taxes so that you’ll have a better lot. What’s annoying is all these dumb boomer shits who think they deserve jack from younger people for giving the government money that it spent on them to begin with, the single mother trash, the pregnant employees(I decided not to hire any women from now on because I hired a bitch who was pregnant at the time so she worked a month before filing for maternity leave and I’ll have to pay her for two years now lol), the shitskins, the permanently unemployed that are healthy, multigenerational welfare recipients etc.
You’re not part of the problem here, but I do get the way you feel. I was entitled to welfare for a year and a bit and I didn’t claim a single cent.
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I agree but paying taxes into a system in my book makes me feel I should get something back?
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Where do Jews and suburban white liberals fall on the r/K spectrum? They profess very r-selected political views, but practice K-selection in their personal lives — getting advanced degrees in hard subjects, marrying late, not having more children than they can afford Ivy League educations for, and such. As William Buckley put it, Jews “live like Episcopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans.”
They always vote for mass third-world immigration (Boston’s wealthiest, whitest suburbs voted 80% for Hillary!), but they also fight tooth and nail to deny building permits for affordable housing in their own communities.
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Having many kids is neither r or k selected. What matters is parental (especially paternal) investment. K selected Conservative married couples with 7 kids invest heavily in each and every child while the r selected leftie single mothers do their best to kick their sperm donor out of the picture to live off government gibsmedats and have no problem leaving big daddy gubment to raise said kids while they go off and spread their legs for the corner drug dealer before their next abortion. As for the next part, k selection is a matter of degrees. Like IQ, k selection is on a bell curve which is shifted k-ward for some demographics, and r-ward for Those that wuz kangz.
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This is why post-religious Conservatism wasn’t just a mistake, it was a catastrophe. Religious Conservatism held sacred certain principles active upon our culture since before the beginning of the nation and upon whose logical foundation it was built.
In an environment when your opposition can’t wait to dump the previous religion in favor of the religion of degeneracy, the winning move isn’t to happily follow suit or beg agnostics to side with you. The winning move is to erode the culture of degeneracy by eliminating its breeding grounds. Use government power to affect the culture…after all, the left is doing it to us.
In one way, the left (as a group) has shown itself to be more forward thinking than the right. In the 1900’s, their movement set out to affect politics by affecting culture, and they have been pushing that model ever since. Today, their numbers are huge, but historically, these people were a tiny minority. They got where they are by pushing the culture and allowing political victories to flow from that. Conservatives have been trying it the other way around…and we can see what that has led us to.
For conservative to truly regain the upper hand, we need to be completely unashamed of our culture, push it relentlessly onto all those within our borders, win back control of our countries, and deport all leftist to their third world happy land, South Africa.
[CH: what you’re calling for is basically de-SCALING america, under the theory that the only way to make the culture inhospitable to degenerate shitlibs is by breaking the US into its constituent parts with less diversity and bureaucracy in each smaller region.]
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Can you even define with precision what your culture is without ending up with a handful of other dudes only?
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@CH
Not necessarily. We may still have the ability to make it work by aggressively proselytizing the legal immigrants, throwing out the illegals, consolidating social power, then targeting the degenerates.
If we hit hard and fast like this during the Trumpening, it may end up working…
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Mine is better:
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Diagram is good… it looks like a more sophisticated and detailed version of
“hard times create strong men,
strong men create good times,
good times create weak men,
weak mean create hard times”
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Yup, precisely.
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Its Pasha Glubb’s generation cycle
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It’s also the Set-Osiris monomyth and r/k theory expanded into CSR (competitor, stress tolerator, ruderal) theory.
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The whites who are ashamed to claim welfare often don’t even do it, so the whites who do claim it are pure shit also. Frankly, I’m tired of all this shit. I don’t care for the white race because I feel like paying taxes for pathetic people, I care for the white race because we can do amazing things and create glorious societies. Just like families won’t pour all their resources into their worthless members, I don’t see why an extended family, a race, should.
What did most people do for the white race that makes them entitled to welfare? Exactly nothing. We should create a system where the lesser members of our societies can contribute too(no mass immigration, no immigration at all of low skilled people etc), but I have little sympathy for beggars and thieves, which is what gibs voters regardless of race are. I’m actually curious why me and my brother should pay a few brand new BMWs in taxes each year for the privilege of employing a couple dozen people that make multiples of the average wage.
We’re both considering closing our businesses and using our big data and programming skills to gamble, which is a zero sum thing that carries a 1% tax on winnings. Growing my business is dumb when I can just travel around Europe on my bike instead of feeding money grubbing old farts and shit skins while either freelancing or playing 16 tables of online poker at once. Lol
It got to the point where screwing over the taxman is more rewarding than developing services for my clients and its funny as shit to get dumb social democrats to sputter in rage over it. The reality is that a subsection of white men built societies so amazing that worthless dregs and weak cucks got to proliferate and we need a mass culling of human crap now.
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Reading the nahzees domestic policies and cultural aims I’m struck by how relevant it applies to today.
They wanted to create a work culture coz they knew when white men get together and work they are untouchable.
There are cartoons of white men strong and tall holding a shovel whilst (((they))) look on in fear as making money off money is not work or benificial and soon to be obsolete.
Veneral disease…prostitution and opioid addiction were big issues then.
The femininity of men was addressed by encouraging physical behavior even brawls at youth groups.
Sthong me educated young men.
I encourage anyone to read up on this era. The problems faced are exactly the same today.
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Where do Jews and suburban white liberals fall on the r/K spectrum? They profess very r-selected political views, but practice K-selection in their personal lives — getting advanced degrees in hard subjects, marrying late, not having more children than they can afford Ivy League educations for, and such. As William Buckley put it, Jews “live like Episcopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans.”
They all vote for mass third-world immigration (Boston’s wealthiest, whitest suburbs voted 80% for Hillary!), but fight tooth and nail to deny building permits for affordable housing in their own communities.
Farmers marry and reproduce prudently while encouraging their animals to breed like rabbits. Maybe liberals see themselves as farmers and low-IQ nonwhite people as their livestock.
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Branching off of this r/k topic a bit: Is oil-drilling ever an acceptable countermeasure, or is it always betraying the cause? I am a college-aged semi-sperg STEM major. I have a Tinder, and I feel like every black female that I swipe right on, I match with (counter narrative reality butts it’s head again). I’ll marry white, but for casual romps I do have a taste for some steatopygia occasionally.
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I’ll have to concur with whorefinder and others.
White progtard breeding is in fact r, not K.
Out-of-wedlock births? Check.
Little parental investment? Check.
Gibsmedats from whitey? Check again. It’s not so obvious as for the dindus, but if you think about their passionate defense of 0bamacare and the federal bureaucracy, which is the only way “artists,” gender-studies majors, and other various progtard losers can get enough $$$ to support themselves… well, you get the idea.
The only K aspect is that progs also use a lot of birth control. Also, there are a lot of older Boomer progtards who have managed to get high-paying academic jobs and have intact marriages.
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I’ll have to concur with whorefinder and others.
White progtard breeding is in fact r, not K.
Out-of-wedlock births? Check.
Little parental investment? Check.
Gibsmedats from whitey? Check again. It’s not so obvious as for the dindus, but if you think about their passionate defense of 0bamacare and the federal bureaucracy, which is the only way “artists,” gender-studies majors, and other various progtard losers can get enough $$$ to support themselves… well, you get the idea.
The only K aspect is that progs also use a lot of birth control. Also, there are a lot of older Boomer progtards and certain elements of the younger college-educated who have managed to get high-paying academic jobs and have intact m@rriages.
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Agnostic does excoriate conservatives’ two ugly impulses: the “drill baby drill” impulse to burn through our resources and habitat, and the Pharisaical contempt for any fellow White who didn’t quite manage to pull himself up by the bootstraps. As he puts it on the latter point:
“How dare someone portray the less fortunate among our in-group as though they were a parasitic out-group like the Gypsies?”
As to the former point, resource extraction and infrastructure expansion is not what we elected Trump to do.
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There are going to be a lot of dangling, I mean disappointed, libtards when the Day of the Rope arrives.
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I just want to say:
I want a country for my kind. A k-selected country ruled by white men, truth and logos. Latin and Greek, as they are the very basis of our civilization, will be mandatory for our kids in school.
I have brought great honor on my country and right now I ask the question: What for? In old times the champion had the privilege to fight side by side with his King, in modern times our degenerated leader, a woman blessed with mediocrity and cursed with no kids – feels aroused when getting asked for a selfie by some foreign invader How can this lead to anything but catastrophe, how can this lead to anything but disaster?
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Trivia: Can anyone name a country, land, or city that whites colonized, improved, developed only to turn it back over to it’s original owners or vacate it because ‘they’ moved in and it remained the same or got better?
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[…] the pressure to write about stuff before you fully understand it. I was going to ignore it, but Heartiste linked to it so everybody saw it, and now I have to say something. I will be harsh, but this is sort of blog-harsh, since I assume […]
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low IQ whites have the ability of producing beautfiul daughters; even the highest IQ caste of India lacks the ability of producing beautiful women as scattered villages of rural pennsylvania.
as I wrote other time, there are more beautiful Amish girls now in PA than in the whole of South and East Asian added together
besides, low IQ whites mean revert to a very healthy mean of 100.
[CH: gig as usual you provide the hidden gem of wisdom in an otherwise arid theoretical discourse.]
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This comment was eye bleach, even though it’s text. Impressive!
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