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Childless Married Men Are Automatically Beta

June 1, 2017 by CH

Commenter HEM writes that men who get married but then don’t justify the marriage with kids are beta.

1) alphas don’t have big weddings. Every extravagant, expensive wedding (and cake with figurines) is a chick’s doing with her beta’s compliance.

An alpha might go along with a big wedding if it’s no skin off his nose, but HEM’s general sentiment is correct: big weddings are usually the domain of domineering self-absorbed brides and their lickspittle plan B betaprops.

2) an alpha knows the only reason to marry is for the sake of his children. No big theatrics (small ceremony of close friends, trip to Vegas, courthouse wedding, etc). The wife is emotionally ecstatic just to take his name and the upgraded label of wife as opposed to “baby mamma.” Her biggest fear was she was going to have children out of wedlock because Mr Alpha wouldn’t settle down (quit partying and fucking other chicks). Any childless dude who gets married is definitively a beta.

3) alphas don’t do PDA. Another sure sign of a beta male is during the “you can now kiss the bride”.. If the dude is all liplocked in a pathetic movie scene inspired 5 seconds or greater kiss – guaranteed beta. He’ll spend the evening eating at the Y and not pounding the pie.

lol at that last line. PDA is a tricky topic, but yeah betas are wont to publicly slobber all over their women while alphas prefer the coolasfuck policy of holstering their PDA while their women get worked up having to restrain themselves until later.

HEM’s precision-guided shiv is the observation that childless husbands are beta. 4 out of 5 White irredentists agree: there’s no fucking point to marriage if you won’t meta-consummate it with kids. Why assume all that baggage — the enforced monogamy, the legal risks, the messy financial commingling — if your sacrifice isn’t rewarded with noble heirs?

I suppose there’s the filing jointly tax angle benefit, but is it worth the hassle and downsides of a non-trivial chance of divorce theft? If you just want a steady supply of sex and love, then the alpha male move is to grab yourself a long-term pussy, enrapture her to a blissfully transcendent plane of committed adoration, non-maritally cohabitate like people from the nation formerly known as Sweden, and wheeze dustily into that long twilight holding hands until the Final Snuff relieves your shared earthly burden.

PS Hi, Pman!

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  1. on June 1, 2017 at 12:57 pm Major7

    Beta marriage is a legally binding friendship.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 1:10 pm Hackett To Bits

      This^…the legally enforced friendzone.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm Cracker

        exactly

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:00 pm Greg Eliot

      Heh, heh… but WITHOUT the friendship.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 2:15 pm Damn Crackers

        A childless man and woman locked in matrimony is a heterosexual gay marriage.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:57 pm markpower49M

        There is no stopping the inundation of mud people because white men do not have the will to do what is necessary to stop them anymore. Having a couple of white kids won’t make any difference to the world, but may bring down your enjoyment of the decline.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:55 pm wolfie65

      Beta marriage is her all-access pass to your ATM.

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  2. on June 1, 2017 at 12:59 pm Childless Married Men Are Automatically Beta | @the_arv

    […] Childless Married Men Are Automatically Beta […]

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:25 pm Captain Obvious

      “non-maritally cohabitate like people from the nation formerly known as Sweden”

      Why Daycare Can Have a Negative Effect on Your Child
      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jonas-himmelstrand-/effects-of-daycare_b_4220857.html

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:26 pm Captain Obvious

        “…the Swedish approach is that the state has taken over raising children from parents through the state run daycare system… ”

        “Ninety-two percent of all 18 month to five year olds are in daycare in Sweden…”

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:27 pm Captain Obvious

        “…the ever deteriorating psychological health of Swedish youth, which has become a major concern in Swedish public debate today. A 2006 investigation by the Swedish government reveals that Sweden is worse in this regard when contrasted with 11 comparable European countries since the 1980s.”

        “On international educational (PISA) scores, Swedish school results have dropped from a high position a few decades ago to merely average among OECD countries today. A Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study shows that disorder in Swedish classrooms is among the worst among comparable countries.”

        “The government blames the schools but an increasing view among Swedish teachers and school psychologists is that the school problem is, to a great degree, a family problem. Children are simply not sufficiently emotionally nourished to be teachable in school.”

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:29 pm Captain Obvious

        Sweden’s liberal parents ‘spoil children rotten’ http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/swedens-liberal-parents-spoil-children-rotten-20131102-2wtjy.html

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:30 pm Captain Obvious

        Mr Eberhard said Sweden’s young people ”don’t say thank you. They don’t open doors. If you see them on the subway, they don’t stand up for elderly people or pregnant women.”
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        He says Sweden’s growing truancy rates, a rise in anxiety disorders and the country’s declining education performance are the results of liberal parenting. To remedy the problem, he advocates a return to an ”authoritarian” approach.

        ”There’s no scientific evidence that an authoritarian upbringing is harmful to kids,” he said. ”You can take command in the family. The family is not a democracy.”

        [CH: wow all that imported diversity is really strengthening sweden, NOT.]

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 5:38 pm King George III

        “[CH: wow all that imported diversity is really strengthening sweden, NOT.]”

        This has nothing to do with diversity. Sandniggers are irrelevant. It is our weakness.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 7:40 am rationalisationhamster

        Over 12% of the Swedish population is Muslim or non White. Most from low IQ countries. There is likely a degeneration of childhood stability due to state care but the people of shades of brown are the likely cause. The US does poorly in PISA but it’s White students do well.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 10:29 am Captain Obvious

        Sweden: High School Girls Called ‘Racist’ After Complaining about Sexual Assault by Migrants http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3557464/posts

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 10:51 pm Randy The Random

      “This has nothing to do with diversity. Sandniggers are irrelevant. It is our weakness.”

      This is an incredibly bold statement to make here.

      Don’t you see, it’s all the jooz fault!!! They invaded and outsmarted us!!! It couldn’t be that we grew soft, fat, and started believing in fantasies such as women being responsible enough for the vote!

      No no no, us white men never do any wrong! IT WAS THE HOOKNOSES!!! If we get rid of them, everything will be fine!

      It’s incredibly sad and disgusting to watch, because it seems that the bravest white men are already dead. Now you have effeminate fags blaming phantoms for their own pussy pedestalizing.

      All of this began with the female franchise. Indulge one fantasy, and you legitimize all the rest. Race is irrelevant, hooknoses are irrelevant. This is basic biological fact. A non-patriarchal society will not survive evolutionary pressures from patriarchal competitors.

      Hate mooslims? Guess what, where it counts, they are far closer to a functioning biological patriarchy than the effeminate west. So they will multiply while we die off. Nature doesn’t care.

      Keep treating women like adults instead of property, and they will choose to be with the only men who seem for what they are.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 10:56 pm Randy The Random

        Also, the “white sharia” meme is hilarious.

        It’s almost like our ancestors…knew what the fawk they were talking about regarding women. It’s almost as if every great nation and society was built upon the idea that woman is subservient to man, and that they are to be treated as dependents in the manner of children.

        But of course, now we have a “white woman problem”. It’s definitely not a “white man problem”, because it isn’t like white men gave them the vote now is it? They fought for it, the poor dears!!!

        Wake up white man. You’re embarassing yourself. Undo the mistakes of the past, and there may yet be hope.

        But between us, I have NEVER seen a race so predisposed to pussy pedestalization. Not once in my many travels. Not even the chins.

        Why do white men pedestalize pussy so much, in direct opposition to the countless tomes written by their ancestors warning them of doing just that?

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 3:13 am Les Saunders, Protestant

        This is a tried and tested shilling approach, I’ve seen it on many online newspaper comment sections. The tell is the phrase “da jooz.” This was invented to try to silence legitimate concerns over Jewish influence in our societies; it is akin to trying to get termites out of your apartment and being told “you blame da termitize for all your problems.” The shills who used this Jewish mental trick ostensibly took on the persona of a “conservative”, attacking “libruls”, but making sure anyone who questioned Jewish perfidy got “da jooz” line. In Canada, there were a few shill accounts who used this tactic. One being “Rock Strongo” on National Post comment sections. He’d attack Trudeau to make it look good, but went out of his way to remind all and sundry that the Jews were saintly, their activities in Hollywood, Wall Street, and Washington, as well as their disproportionate role in pushing refugees, notwithstanding.

        Remember, goys, it’s all your fault.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 4:54 am Roy

        The goyim know Randy.

        And accounts WILL BE SETTLED. And not with conjured fiat currency printed by (((goldsmiths))).

        I’ll just leave it at that.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 6:28 am Greg Eliot

        “This has nothing to do with diversity. Sandniggers are irrelevant. It is our weakness.”

        This is an incredibly bold statement to make here.

        No it’s not, dumb ass…start paying attention, if you would comment…

        For a few years now, ALL of the men of the chateau who aren’t shills or outright dweebs have admitted White men have abrogated much of their responsibilities, and that traitors of our own kind will hang first and highest.

        White good-natured naivete’, kindness, long-suffering patience, and giving “the other guy” a break and a chance to prove himself are strengths in building a society that becomes the envy of the entire world… but obviously they are weaknesses when we apply them to those not of our kind, and whose envy and core-rotteness want to bring us down.

        Les is absolutely right about shilling tells, like “da jooz” used by this Randy character. You can’t say “neener-neener, Adam and Eve have only themselves to blame” and therein try to give Satan a pass.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 9:36 am safespaceplaypen

        It’s a complicated equation lol of why we are at where we’re at. An intuitive guess would be:

        Our current situation = J3ws + enlightenment revolutions/ideologies + traditional feminism + technology + altruism + state-funded usury (capitalism) + marxism/communism/socialism + a few other things.

        Notice though that J3ws do in fact have a lot of overlap into feminism, technology, state-funded usury, marxism, and so on. And of all the above things that have led to our current situation, J3ws have been bothering us for 2,000 years or so, over and over again. Like, what’s their motive? Why can’t they just mind their own business? Could just be the j3wish spirit, but its pretty mysterious.

        The New-Testament might offer some hints lol

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 10:34 am Randy The Random

        And here come the joo-exterminators right on cue.

        You know the funny thing is, white men have a lot in common with white women: they love blaming everyone but themselves for their own fuckups.

        Go ahead and exterminate da joos and everyone else you deem a threat. Go ahead. I’ll wait. And when you create for yourself a perfect white feminist communist utopia, I’ll be right here laughing at you.

        Most of you have no lives and spend every waking moment here rambling about da joos and other such phantoms. You are the fat, weak, pedestalizing fools I could crush with my bare hands into dust. You are all talk and no walk.

        You are the reason we are here. You are the reason the west was emasculated. You are obsessed with pussy, and have given everything up for its pursuit.

        Some of us were never dying of thirst when it came to women. But we were curious as to how women had been given power far in excess of their abilities. Lo and behold, this is how.

        A culling is coming. And you will not survive it. You spend too much time typing, and not enough time fighting.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 11:51 am itsme

        goys will be goys

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 12:18 pm Greg Eliot

        da joos and other such phantoms

        Before I address your other asshole bravado, typed from the safety of your own keyboard, let me get just one thing straight:

        You’re saying the modern day Sanhedrin are mere “phantoms” and are NOT contributing mightily to the current malaise of the West?

        They DON’T control the (((MSM)))?

        They DON’T write, direct, produce, promote, and distribute all the agitprop and filth that comes out of (((Hollyvood)))?

        They DON’T come to the fore, when any sort of feminist, gender-bender, or “fuck normies” type of news or entertainment or political activity is at hand?

        They DON’T spread money, influence, and if, necessary, threats around our government officials through AIPAC and other organizations?

        Is this what you’re saying?

        I ask because I’m trying to discern just how big a shill you are, and whether your other folderol is worth taking the time to gainsay.

        Speak up, fool, and then we’ll see who crushes who, alleged alt-R ally bro.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 1:25 pm Les Saunders, Protestant

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      • on June 3, 2017 at 7:25 am tomjones

        https://www.amazon.com/Blaming-Victims-Spurious-Scholarship-Palestinian/dp/1859843409/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496496306&sr=8-2&keywords=blaming+the+victim

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  3. on June 1, 2017 at 1:08 pm Doktor Jeep

    Well basically what is marriage? There are two good descriptions I have seen over the years.

    – “It’s a reproductive unit”. Meaning you get married when you want kids/family.
    – “It’s an institution that protects children”.

    So if there are no children in the plans, or perhaps both parties are too old for that, why marriage?

    Cue the autistic screeching from the gays/trannies who can’t have kids – but there have been a lot of less cordycepted LGBT writers who claim that marriage was never a top priority in their “community” in the first place. The whole gay marriage thing was about social(ist) engineering.

    I had a conversation with a woman about this, and told her that I felt she was worth marrying but since we are too old for kids there was no point in it.

    Logically she agreed but emotionally… well women get tingles when told they could be so “committed to” on the one hand but also being told that it’s not going to happen in the same conversation…. I may have inadvertently invented “mindfuck game”.

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  4. on June 1, 2017 at 1:11 pm barbaresco

    Methinks this article is BS. Sometimes you marry wanting children (or as a maybe) and later in life you decide you like things as they are. That has fuck all to do with alpha or beta.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:05 pm Augustus Tilton

      nah that’s still being a cuck

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  5. on June 1, 2017 at 1:12 pm Scoundrel

    A good test of your alpha/betaness:

    Watch the first 30 seconds or so of this vid. (I wouldn’t inflict any more than that on you — I’m not sadistic.)

    Ask yourself: Would you like to be the man in the video? Would you like to be like him, in the position he is in? Are you happy for him, and perhaps a bit envious?

    Or does watching this spectacle fill you with embarrassment and disgust?

    Yes, this is Eben Pagan, once known as David DeAngelo, of Double Your Dating fame.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm RecoveringBeta

      She’s more orange than Trump.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm Opus

      Open Source Wedding. Open Source Bride?

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 2:54 pm vfm#7634

        Heh. That crack about “open source” wasn’t just a red flag. That was a neon crimson DEFCON 1 flag.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 2:43 am bolg

        lol. there WILL be community effort

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:45 pm itsme

      women with chicken legs frighten me

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:47 pm Cracker

      that’s bizarre and pathetic. and what’s with the dyke haircut and slutty party girl dress? yuck.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 2:54 pm Cracker

        good lord. i didn’t listen to it all but scrolled through and listened to bits here and there.

        is this a real wedding? they behave like actors not two people in love. she was especially bad while doing her vows. fake choking up and getting emotional through parts. totally fake.

        sad if this is real.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm vfm#7634

        “fake choking up and getting emotional through parts. totally fake.”

        Well, (((Tribe members))) do tend to be into show biz. Note how the most recent and best-known Trump nickname is Cryin’ Chuck Schumer.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 3:00 am bolg

        lol watch the last minute or so – the bride maids/grooms leaving, it’s worth it. plus as a bonus, there be homoseksiuals too

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      • on June 5, 2017 at 1:08 pm V.

        [was in mod]

        glad somebody else pointed this out. should’ve spent less time on v0ws and more on outfits. dress looks r3tarded. at least she’s thin.

        dude’s name is “pag@n”

        dude says “we wrote these v0ws…”
        lady says “i wrote these v0ws”

        “there are no sins in this relationship” lzolz yes the lady did write the v0ws

        10+ second kiss = HEM Law failed

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:50 pm vfm#7634

      With his reliance on dancing-monkey antics and clownish wit, David DeAngelo’s advice always had a distinct whiff of Gamma.

      It just figures that he decided to hitch himself to a woman his own age. Sure, she’s only about a 5 or 6, but she was probably among the hottest prospects he had.

      [CH: deangelos’ early cocky/funny material is really good, and there’s enough of it that one can sift through it to find and craft workable personalized routines. what has happened to him since is unexplainable by science.]

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:58 pm wolfie65

        I remember that clown.
        Scam artist.
        (((Eben)), huh ?

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:19 pm vfm#7634

        “there’s enough of it”
        “one can sift through it”
        “find and craft workable personalized routines”

        Three shivs right there. You just made DeAngelo’s material sound like a junkyard that men can go salvaging in. Good job.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 6:14 pm Nida

      Hahahaha I listened to the first ten seconds of that, skipped to her saying I’ll listen to your values and desires. Couldn’t keep watching. Wish I was there though you guys would have heard me laughing

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 3:36 am skorzecin150

      “Eben Pagan is a former real estate agent and pick-up artist under the pseudonym “David DeAngelo”……”

      This guy’s a PUA? And that chick is the best he could do?

      Fail.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 7:13 am wolfie65

        Used to sell CD and ebook courses on PUA techniques.
        “You’ll score if you only do this ONE WEIRD TRICK……”
        etc.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 4:14 pm Mr. Roboto

      What a painful video to watch.

      1) DeAngelo looks very, very beta, his body lenguage is pretty fucking pathetic.
      2) The woman is ugly and old, she is a 5 at best.
      3) He is a rich PUA guru, seriously is that the best he can do?

      Le Château do you think this woman is a femme fatale (gold digger) and he was not prepared to handle her?

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/how-to-handle-femmes-fatales/

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  6. on June 1, 2017 at 1:14 pm barbaresco

    Don’t agree on the correlation/causation here. Know quite a few guys who married early, were maybes on kids and later in life decided their life was OK as-is without them. Nothing to do with alpha or beta–just a life choice. Let’s not go overboard.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm safespaceplaypen

      This is the same way I feel about homosexual marriages. Nothing to do with subverting western civilization or ruining traditions that served the greater good-just a life choice.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:02 pm wolfie65

        Actually, homo marriages are the very essence of what the institution is really all about: legal tax breaks.
        You don’t need to get married to have kids.
        You don’t need to get married to have someone love you.
        You don’t need to get married to live together.
        You don’t need to get married to run a household or raise a fambly.

        You DO need to get married for certain legal benefits and to be able to check certain boxes on your return…….

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  7. on June 1, 2017 at 1:15 pm Sentient

    small weddings… for sure. Church, back to someone’s home [parent ideally] for reception. No limos. Go to the wholesaler for flowers a few days before.

    No borrowing for a wedding… eva.

    Bank all the gift money.

    Same for honeymoon. No super exotic place. Someplace where you can be alone and spend time. Big fan of offseason places, like Nantucket in the winter etc. Bonus points to drive there.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:07 pm Augustus Tilton

      Plus 1 for off season tourist places. Bring a woman there for cheap rates and thigs are nice and quiet so she can focus on what is important

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:34 pm mendo

      Out here in CA, there’s been the double wedding phenomenon: getting married in a church (y’know, to make it acceptable unto God….such heathens) and then having the “real” wedding, which is usually outdoors, since getting married in a church is the one that “counts.”

      This happened to just about every friend I knew, one of which I went to both and the other just to the “real” wedding. It would confuse my folks and when they’d ask why, I told them I really wasn’t sure what the reason was.

      I’m sure and even knew that the men themselves didn’t know, but where just doing it either out of routine or because their 30+ year old brides were demanding of it.

      I always took this as taking the Lord’s name in vain and that always bugged me to know end. But, it was their Catholic upbringing and “commandments” of the church that had instilled the fire and brimstone fear that if their nuptials were not in a church, then God would not look favorably on the marriage, let alone them shaking up well before even getting engaged.

      Or, it could be just to keep the “party” of the wedding going. But I’m with you on this one Sentient. Never understood big weddings. It just be a good party with close friends and family. Nothing more. Everything else is for the masses.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:04 pm wolfie65

        The churchy wedding is HER chance to be Princess For A Day.
        That’s it.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 11:08 pm Randy The Random

        Dafuq? The lord’s name means nothing now, since his Laws are not backed up by any force sterner than a loud fart.

        The church only meant something when it had the power to end your life. Now…it is just as relevant as Yoga.

        Women used to fear God like they feared no man. It is the one force of nature that could keep their legs closed for all but their husband.

        Those times are sadly over, and women know that the jig is up. All pussy is now in the public domain, for use by all!

        Enjoy men!

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 6:35 am Greg Eliot

        We don’t need more bizarro-world cheerleading by irreverent and irrelevant dweebs at the chateau, asshole… there are already enough of those ilk stinkin’ up the place.

        Avaunt, you impious pismire. 😡

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      • on June 3, 2017 at 7:27 am tomjones

        “Avaunt, you impious pismire”

        Why do you talk like a 1930s queer, Gregie?

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  8. on June 1, 2017 at 1:16 pm Sentient

    mod!

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  9. on June 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm Hackett To Bits

    Worst case of Plan Beta marriage I’d ever seen was of my ex-wife’s acquaintances. Thin, Herb kind of guy… worked outdoors for a living but no sign of muscle development, just a beer paunch. He was ecstatic that he was going to marry a land whale twice his size. And he bragged openly and constantly about all their depraved rutting. It was beyond revolting. I always urged that we leave any party of theirs as soon as possible.

    Childless, bottom of the Beta barrel marriage is simply nauseating.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:04 pm wolfie65

      Ah yes, trailer park romance…..

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  10. on June 1, 2017 at 1:20 pm plumpjack

    I’d take this a step further and say that guys in a committed relationship for more than a year or two that don’t have kids are beta. you should’ve upgraded by that time, or be playing the field.

    spending years and years with one chick just entertaining each other, doing all your favorite things together like BFFs, is just dumb.

    not to mention that you’re vacuuming up the most fertile years of a girl’s life, just because you can. she may be dumb enough to go along with it, but that doesn’t make it okay.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:50 pm mendo

      I had a dream, more of a nightmare, last night where I was stringing this girl along, I didn’t even like her all that much, but she was there and I figured why not.

      It was one of those realistic type dreams and I felt like shit while still in the dream and even when I woke up. In fact, it woke me up since I was being beyond a jerk, just an outright POS.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm wolfie65

        I recommend watching a few Zombie flicks as a cure.

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  11. on June 1, 2017 at 1:21 pm martin

    the emphasis on self has degraded it. if it’s just about a bride and her relationship and happiness, then it’s just a dress up party adults put on occasionally.

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  12. on June 1, 2017 at 1:29 pm Backdoor Man

    Exception: if your woman is from a different country, you will probably have to get married to stay together.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:10 pm wolfie65

      Some time ago, Captain Obvious chided me as being too Teutonic for suggesting something like that.
      He proposed to just sneak her in across the green border, then disappear together.
      Might work, with the right girl…..if there is a such a creature.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 9:25 am Captain Obvious

        W65, unless she does something incredibly stupid, like sass out a State Trooper at a traffic stop, or launder some foreign drug money into her local credit union checking account, no one will ever even know that she’s in the USA.

        Heck, you could purchase her a “Rosarita Suarez” fake Social Security Number for about $100 down at the local Home Depot, and get her all dolled up with a fake driver’s license and a fake library card and a fake swimming pool card etc etc etc.

        You can even get burner VISA cards at the grocery store which you can register online with fake SSNs.

        After a while, she will have so many digital imprints of her official “Rosarita Suarez” identity that that will be precisely whom the system believes she really is.

        PRO-TIP: Rent an el-cheapo apartment or a trailer in a trailer park as her “official” residence for all of the documentation. Never slip up and register your address [or phone number] under any of her fake identities.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 5:42 pm wolfie65

        Wondering how ye olde Anarchist Cookbook techniques hold up in a time when even the bar has 2 (!) chip readers checking your ID.

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  13. on June 1, 2017 at 1:31 pm Flip

    There is no reason whatsoever to marry a woman that you are not going to have children with. The only possible exception is if you’re poor and she’s rich, but that would be a hard way to live.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:18 pm wolfie65

      There may be small percentages of grimly career-driven Gammas, outwardly acceptable Omegas and Lambdas still in need of a ‘beard’ even in the Current Year who would actually do that.

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  14. on June 1, 2017 at 1:35 pm Ras al Ghul

    “I suppose there’s the filing jointly tax angle benefit, but is it worth the hassle and downsides of a non-trivial chance of divorce theft”

    If you’e doing it to save money, you’re a fool. She will cost more (divorce or no) than any tax savings.

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  15. on June 1, 2017 at 1:36 pm Dave

    It reminds me of a middle-aged man who I met recently and he mentioned his wife didn’t want to have children so they never did. Later he mentioned that he lost his engineering job years ago because he was clinically depressed. I just felt sorry for him because I think deep down he knew she chose not to have children as a rejection of him.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:44 pm Cracker

      yep, if a woman loves and desires her man the way the she is supposed to, she will want his kids. no exceptions to that rule.

      if she doesn’t, she has a screw loose or is just using him for companionship, money, security, or whatever.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 12:01 am midnighttoker

        truth

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  16. on June 1, 2017 at 1:40 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “He’ll spend the evening eating at the Y and not pounding the pie.”

    And we all know there’s only one soundtrack to that. Happily, it’s one of my fave rock instrumentals ever:

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  17. on June 1, 2017 at 1:43 pm everybodyhatesscott

    EM’s precision-guided shiv is the observation that childless husbands are beta. 4 out of 5 White irredentists agree: there’s no fucking point to marriage if you won’t meta-consummate it with kids. Why assume all that baggage — the enforced monogamy, the legal risks, the messy financial commingling — if your sacrifice isn’t rewarded with noble heirs?

    This times 1000

    The only thing more pathetic than not consummating it with kids is consummating it with a fucking dog.* She wants to take care of something and it’s not your baby. Every dumb girl has a stupid yappy fucking dog now so whatever but getting a stupid yappy fucking dog instead of kids after you wife her up? idiot.

    *I like dogs and have one but the dogs as replacement for children shit currently going on drives me bananas.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 6:04 pm Cracker

      i saw a fagbook post from a mid 20s girl awhile back. she said someone asked her when she and hubby were having kids. she said, i already have a dog and a cat and that’s enough work. no way, we’re having kids anytime soon. not sure if we’ll have them at all.

      it hit me that not only do people use these animals as replacements for children, it also turns people off to the whole idea of having kids.

      they have to spend time and money and pick up after these pets, walk them all the time, take them to the vet and all that crap. but they don’t get the warm fuzzies like they would if they were doing the equivalent with their own flesh and blood. they think they do but it’s not even close to the same thing as having a kid.

      they don’t get that though. they think having pets is just like having kids. they even call them their furbabies and wish their other non-mother pet-owning friends a happy mother’s day and shit. it really messes them up.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 6:32 pm plumpjack

        “it hit me that not only do people use these animals as replacements for children, it also turns people off to the whole idea of having kids.”

        I’m not so sure that’s what’s going here. her reasoning may be backasswards, but she’s reflecting a nicewhyte sentiment that the invader-hordes lack: that raising children…PROPERLY…is a serious responsibility, for which she and her partner can expect little help from society.

        invader-hordes and subhumans ASSUME it’s the responsibility of society (translation: white people) to take care of their children. they lack such a deep sense of responsibility, and pop out leechlings by the dozen.

        it’s only nicewhytes who place this burden on themselves, and thus see bringing children into the world, a world that has purposely stacked the deck against them, as “irresponsible” or “too much work”. of course it’s too much work if you not only have to take care of your own kids but everyone else’s TOO.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 10:18 pm Cracker

        good points

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  18. on June 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm Ironsides

    The failure of marriage is just one facet of the current reproductive failure of our race. All sex, in or out of marriage, is pretty pointless if there’s no intent to at least possibly produce offspring — basically masturbating in someone else’s body.

    Sterile marriages are strongly emblematic of the widespread sterility of today’s culture. Alphas produce neither heris nor swarms of bastards; is it any wonder that betas, who generally have only the opportunity to produce heirs (via marriage), due to having too low SMV for more than maybe a single bastard at best, are failing even harder?

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  19. on June 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm gig

    there’s no fucking point to marriage if you won’t meta-consummate it with kids

    should be a Chateau Maxim

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  20. on June 1, 2017 at 1:57 pm Ironsides

    Looks like I’m either being modded to death or I’ve been banned.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:02 pm elmertjones

      Angrily I type
      Words into the comment box
      But nothing shows up

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 2:44 pm Ironsides

        Communication
        Through short, weird pseudo-haikus
        Avoids the mod hell?

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:22 pm wolfie65

      M1$$plez duh cr@p outofitzoloszlsoz ‘n’ try aigna

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  21. on June 1, 2017 at 1:59 pm elmertjones

    A frigid woman
    Also hams up PDA
    To put on an act

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:03 pm Cracker

      true. they put on a good show in public but have no intentions of following through when you get them home. ex was like that.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 2:13 pm elmertjones

        Many dykes also
        Make it a big production
        But faker than fake

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    • on June 5, 2017 at 1:05 pm V.

      [was in mod, testing]

      overt pda can also be signaling ownership. e.g., b1tches back off this my man

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  22. on June 1, 2017 at 2:02 pm broadtop

    Slightly O/T but related:

    I have a good wife who’s taken readily to the redpill. We have 2 young children.

    But she’s a city girl and I’m a country boy. And dammit if she’s always gonna really miss that hometown.

    But I couldn’t permanently move to that town and in turn “appropriate” her basic identity. Because doing so also likely means I yield the greater part of my kids identity to something other than my own. So I’d wind up raising my own children in another man’s identity (likely an approximation of her father’s…who is a good man – but not “me”).

    There’s probably only a few things more emasculating to me, than following your wife completely into her world in such cases.

    Interstingly, we did live there a short time and she wound up being about as miserable as I was.

    Also just one more data point that homogeneity = harmony. Our different upbringings will always be a point of division, however modest.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:13 pm Cracker

      good points here.

      great that you and your wife are able to keep things together and do well. but yes, what you said here is very true:

      “homogeneity = harmony. Our different upbringings will always be a point of division, however modest.

      coupling up with people of similar upbringing, having the same values and political views, the same ideas about tradition/heritage and what they call home and family, it all matters.

      we are meant to be with our own kind. the more we fight that truth, the more trouble and struggle we find ourselves in.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 2:25 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      You’re forgetting two things: Genetics matter and life is short. If your kids are like you, odds are they’ll hear the call of the country very soon and they will want to do lots of things like horseback riding, shooting, 4H, dirt biking, etc.

      Mothers notice this stuff, and if this does happen, expect your wife to “go country” so the family can be close to the stables you go every weekend. I’ve seen things like this happen, esp. when daughters get into competitive riding. Families go from urban to Keith Urban. (Pretty clever there, no?)

      My point is that things change a lot in as soon as five years. The other thing that sometimes happens is bad experience for the kids in bigger towns. Nothing makes a parent want to scurry to the exurbs like a bunch of vibrants harassing their kids in school.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 9:29 am Captain Obvious

        ^PRO-TIP right thar.

        The horsey culture is friggin’ crack cocaine for “city” chicks.

        Lures ’em in every time it’s tried.

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  23. on June 1, 2017 at 2:10 pm Augustus Tilton

    And it has been confirmed that more expensive weddings = less love in the marriage. I suspect brides put on the yuge weddings to compensate for the fact they don’t really love the man.

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  24. on June 1, 2017 at 2:15 pm vfm#7634

    “Commenter HEM writes that men who get married but then don’t justify the marriage with kids are beta.”

    And of course, we have to qualify that with “his own” kids. Adoption is even more beta than going childless, since it’s intrinsically cuckolding.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:06 pm everybodyhatesscott

      Depends on the adoption. If it’s adoption because she thinks ‘there’s too many kids out there why do we need our own?’ and you end up with a niglet then yes

      If she legit can’t get pregnant, you want kids, and want to honor your vows, not so much.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:45 pm Captain Obvious

        If you can’t have kids, then the infertile partner needs to grant the fertile partner a d!vorce so that the fertile partner can have a chance at happiness in life.

        And that goes both ways, whether it’s a chick with scarred fallopian tubes and a w0mb filled with fibroids, or a dude with a zero sperm count.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 3:48 pm Cracker

        better option would be to get donor eggs then fertilize them with your sperm so she can carry the baby.

        she should want that more than adoption because she would still be carrying your child.

        if she would rather have someone’s else’s offspring than carry yours, you’ve got a problem.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 7:19 pm Captain Obvious

        The BEST option is that you find a FERT!LE woman with whom you have True Natural Chemistry, and make ch!ldren with her.

        If I had a zero sperm count, I wouldn’t hesitate to let a w!fe out of a m@rriage so that she could find another dude with whom she might [ grudgingly*] have ch!ldren.

        He11, I’d likely HELP her to find the guy. I wouldn’t want her to go to her grave ch!ldless. That would be a terrible, terrible tragedy.

        *Granted, he wouldn’t be me.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm Augustus Tilton

      I could see adopting a nice white baby

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  25. on June 1, 2017 at 2:29 pm Lichthof

    Days like this I love Trump. The shitlibs are completely freaking out.
    The ACLU says it’s a bad day for racial justice lol.

    MAGA!!!!

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  26. on June 1, 2017 at 2:43 pm itsme

    If the dude is all liplocked in a pathetic movie scene inspired 5 seconds or greater kiss – guaranteed beta

    imagine if she cheekturns him lolzlzlzollllzolzlzozlz

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  27. on June 1, 2017 at 2:58 pm Captain Obvious

    “Childless Married Men Are Automatically Beta”

    FIFTH time today I’ve poasted it. It’s as though the story of Kristi Yamaguchi -vs- Michelle Kwan applies to EVERY single scenario of Physiognomy, Game, EvoPsych, the Dark Enlightenment, etc etc etc.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm Captain Obvious

      Read on for the story of the Ch!ldless Beta:

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:30 pm vfm#7634

        I have a nagging feeling that Trump’s election blew up Kwan’s m4rriage. Still not tired of winning.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 5:45 pm Captain Obvious

        But from point of view of the effeminate sh!tlib Beta loser, being the grandson of a US Senator, serving in the Creep State Industrial Complex, having your picture taken in the Oval Orifice [dressed to the nines in your Coast Guard officer’s uniform, with Ghey Melungeon & your w!fe], and then running for governor of your home state, STILL doesn’t do jack sh!t for your l0ve life or your prospects for getting progeny out of your w!fe.

        It’s as though it just keeps creeping her out and creeping her out and creeping her out.

        So she jettisons just shy of age 37, hoping desperately that she can snag some precious Alpha seed right before the Menopause ruins her prospects forever.

        He11, the divorce likely won’t be finalized until next summer, when she’ll be frigging 38.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 3:53 am skorzecin150

      Yeah, but Kwan is A/ a gook (like the world needs more of those), and B/ a shitlib, so all’s well in my considered opinion.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 5:17 am Les Saunders, Protestant

      Pell’s visage is contemptible. No escaping that.
      Yamaguchi is Japanese, Kwan is presumably Chinese? Maybe that has something to do with it as well. While miscegenation under a Saunders administration would be outlawed with stiff fines and prison terms, there is something decidedly feminine and nurturing about Yamaguchi, in contlast to Kwan’s cash registlal souled countenance.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 8:39 am Captain Obvious

        “Yamaguchi is Japanese, Kwan is presumably Chinese? Maybe that has something to do with it as well.”

        LSP, I spent all day yesterday wondering about that very question. The most feminine gookettes I’ve met were always Japanese.

        If you gotta burn the rice, then Nip it.

        And veto da Cash-Register-Soulzzzezes.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 9:46 am Space Viking

      You know the answer just from the first pic. The guy on the left looks like a man. The guy on the right is obviously a huge pussy that could only inspire contempt in women.

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  28. on June 1, 2017 at 3:18 pm Nida

    I and my wife had a really small wedding and reception. I already partied a baby in her. When we kissed I grabbed her hair with the right hand and throat by the left firmly and pulled her into me. Almost had to beat her off with a stick on the church stage.

    Anyone that is about to get married know the way you kiss your bride sets the stage for the marriage. Don’t lean into them,stand tall as fuck, once they start to take a step grab some hair and throat firmly and guide them to you. Look at your woman after the kiss and if she’s as red faced as her red hair with wide eyes you’ve set the stage. Bonus points if you look at the audience and see your mom and her mom with mouths agape.

    PS corporal punishment is mandatory in a marriage. Don’t be afraid of putting her over your knee if need be. A happy wife knows her place.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 9:31 am tteclod

      A happy wife WANTS her place.

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      • on June 5, 2017 at 7:55 pm Nida

        Yes she does

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  29. on June 1, 2017 at 3:27 pm theasdgamer

    I’m a beta empty nester, lol

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 9:31 am tteclod

      no time like the present

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  30. on June 1, 2017 at 3:30 pm safespaceplaypen

    lol i’ve never heard 1 good argument for why any man – alpha or beta – would want to get legally married. There used to be a bunch of threads at The Rational Male discussing the issue and no one could ever come up with a net benefit for legal marriage. In summary, virtually every good aspect of marriage can be obtained without getting legally married:
    (1) She can get her name changed without getting legally married
    (2) You can have kids together and they can inherit your name without getting legally married
    (3) The two of you can wear wedding bands without getting legally married
    (4) You can have a marriage ceremony without getting legally married
    (5) You can make “vows” to each other without getting legally married.

    All of these good things can be accomplished while avoiding the downsides of legal marriage, which are:
    (1) Divorce courts costs
    (2) Alimony
    (3) Lowering your value, since she’s already “won” you over.
    (4) being forced to comply to her whims because of no-fault divorce, which will hurt you more than her.
    (5) Psychological trauma of going through 1-4, which can happen between 1 to 10 years, even more in some circumstances.

    And the odds of experiencing ALL of these downsides is around 50%. The logic and evidence is all there. Still not sure why men willingly throw themselves into the grinder.

    But if there are any proponents of legal marriage here, I’m glad to hear an argument for marriage being a net benefit to a man.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:31 pm wolfie65

      I can see why women would want to get m@rr13d – improved social and financial security for HER and HER offspring, plus, of course, HER Big Day – I can see how men in some cultures (ME, India, maybe China) may not have a choice lest their f@mblies disavow or even cull them, but why any man who has at least a few options in today’s socio-cultural climate in a Western country would want to legally bind himself to 1 particular woman is beyond me.

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 3:50 am Les Saunders, Protestant

      In a restored society, mârriagé will be the only option.

      Not everybody is an atheist faget, there’s your case for mârriagé. Find a good, young traditional woman, go forreign if you have to (Whites only), and get mârriéd in church. Take a legally-binding vow and religious sanctification to make it legitimate. Imagine being a keed and your mom and dad are just boyfriend and girlfriend. Chaos.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 7:18 am wolfie65

        Keep your Middle Eastern temples if you must, none for me, thanks.
        Imagine being a keed and have your p@rents love you and each other.
        Even without a legal contract and the ‘blessings’ of some JudeoChristoMuslo Rabbinistermullah.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 9:32 am Almahad

        Piss off heretic. It was chimpingout heretics like Martin Luther that dragged down Christianity.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 9:38 am safespaceplaypen

        response in mod lol

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 10:18 am Les Saunders, Protestant

        Wolfman, fact: every time someone denigrates Christianity and embraces atheism, the Jews rub his hands with glee.

        Anglo-Saxon society arguably hit its high-water mark in Victorian times, say about 1890-1900. Our society (England, the White Dominions + America) had technology and our culture was solid AF because it was undergirded by Protestant morality.

        I swear, if I’m ever in charge, I’m gonna go Victorian on their ass.

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 5:48 pm wolfie65

        Who said anything about atheism ?
        Nothing has ever made more sense to me and felt more right than our native original European religion.
        Be that Nordic, Celtic, Slavic or something else.
        Call it Odinism.
        And I’d say the high water mark of Anglo-Saxon culture (since you went there) came right before they didn’t bring any horse with them to meet the Normans at Hastings.
        Tolkien was right.
        Breaking the shieldwall to pursue the fleeing Bretons wasn’t too helpful, either.

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      • on June 3, 2017 at 3:12 pm Almahad

        Jesus was a Jew.

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      • on June 5, 2017 at 7:20 am Diet Ice

        “Wolfman, fact: every time someone denigrates Christianity and embraces atheism, the Jews rub his hands with glee.

        Anglo-Saxon society arguably hit its high-water mark in Victorian times, say about 1890-1900.”

        Wasn’t that when they had a J3wish Prime Minister?

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    • on June 5, 2017 at 8:57 pm Nida

      @ safespaceplaypen. I’ve already told mine if she goes nuts or gets fat I’m gone. The laws in my state are if you own anything in your name before marriage then it’s yours…House paid for, vehicles payed for, protected my investments in Nevada and elsewhere, got my dual citizenship by citizenship by blood from a more eastern European country, and have a business in my brother’s and dad’s name. also did a prenuptial and written agreement that any kids we have will be 50/50 custody between us. I wouldn’t have to pay child support but I’d pay one of my renter’s to leave a nice property so my kid would be sheltered well when with there mom, and I’d make sure my kid has food, clothing, and great private school education. So if you have bases covered it’s better than just getting married blindly. Granted it can still sting in divorce no matter what but in anything due diligence is a fucking must.
      The benefit for being married is I like controlling things in the least favorable environment…..Take for instance this, I’m a warrior but every day I come up to a village to conquer,rape and pillage they automatically come out the men bow low to the ground facing me and their wives a daughters have their asses up in the air towards me….While having women’s asses up in the air is alot of fun as we all know. Being a warrior and not having a battle or fight is no fun at all. So I’d rather come to the town conquer it rape it then pillage and for fun burn it down.
      I think for men who like it calmer and greener your idea is great especially for twenty year olds if they choose a LTR but they better already have their shit together before having kids especially a 50/50 custody agreement.
      For people like me that feel calmer in stressful environments then I’d say give it a shot just have backups upon backups.
      Plus back to the controlling aspect I was talking about. I use to have good fwb and was dominant but usually was quickly uninterested since they were the typical American females. The one I wanted was mild mannered, doesn’t drink,smoke, drugs,tats, wants to be a stay at home mom, cooks and cleans, and can’t get enough of me and ultimately strives to please me,eager for me to lead.Through my selfishness I provide well for myself first and her second since she had every box checked I was looking for.

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  31. on June 1, 2017 at 3:31 pm theasdgamer

    Hey PUAs…autistic man here…I need some field report data points from some men who get laid by hot girls…

    1. Do hot girls touch your arm with their boobs to get attention? Or does this mean that they are throwing themselves at you? I see this a lot and have a slight doubt about its meaning.

    2. When a girl puts her hand on your butt shortly after meeting you, does this mean that she’s throwing herself at you?

    [CH: 1. yes to both 2. yes, if intentional. i love easy questions!]

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:43 pm Greg Eliot

      Using boobs to get your attention is one of the original girl-gambits…

      But beware, much of the time it’s just a cock-tease, done for their own amusement at your reaction.

      You can usually tell by the expression on their face whether they’re doing it because they’re into you or merely having some fun, eventually at your expense.

      The sincere wide eyes or shy lowering of the eyes with a little redness in the face usually means they’re into you… the bold and smiling overt mischievous eyes are usually the cock tease… or the raging slut, but that’s usually the not-so-hot ones..

      As far as the putting hands on your butt, I’ve ALWAYS known that to be the cock-tease, unless you already know them somewhat..

      Your mileage may vary, but I’ve never known the above to fail.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm theasdgamer

        @Greg

        I was facing away from boob girl talking to her friend and boob girl was coming up behind me and pressing her boob against my arm. Not lit up but clearly wanted attention. Told me her story about being in the process of getting a divorce etc., all unprompted. Rich old lady wearing a killer, expensive dress and trim body with nice boobs. Well preserved.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm theasdgamer

        Butt girl was lit up when I asked her to dance around midnight…she put her hand on my waist and moved it down from there maybe ten seconds after we started dancing. I moved her hand back up to my waist and nuzzled her ear, then grinned in her grill. Put her in the frame of chasing. 25 yo petite blonde HB7. (It’s trippy when those girls are lit up–I’m old enough to be their granddad.) At the dance conclusion, she wanted a hug and called the dance “amazing.”

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 4:35 pm wolfie65

      A lot of them also like to arm-grab, then feel up your arm towards the shoulder – checking out the merchandise.
      Some open your shirt and start fishing around in there, looking for romance novel coverboy.
      Another move, popular since before k1nd3rgarten, is the gut punch, the girly equivalent of the hair pull.
      They are such gentle, delicate flowers……

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 5:45 pm theasdgamer

      Thanks, gents…really appreciate your input…I thought about this a bit more…calibration is key…if a girl is “lit up”, she’s operating in her hindbrain…cockteasing is done with the forebrain and the girl is attracted, but ASD is kicking in, so giving comfort is the play

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    • on June 2, 2017 at 9:37 am tteclod

      Greg’s right about the cocktease, but don’t neglect them.

      The opposite of love is indifference. Cocktease isn’t indifference, so you can still work with it.

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    • on June 3, 2017 at 4:12 pm Lichthof

      One of the CH commandments…always be belligerent.
      Always assume she is attracted to you…

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      • on June 3, 2017 at 4:13 pm theasdgamer

        And the converse…don’t doubt or second-guess yourself…but calibrate early and often

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  32. on June 1, 2017 at 3:32 pm safespaceplaypen

    lol i’ve never heard 1 good argument for why any man – alpha or beta – would want to get legally married. There used to be a bunch of threads at The Rational Male discussing the issue and no one could ever come up with a net benefit for legal marriage. In summary, virtually every good aspect of marriage can be obtained without getting legally married:
    (1) She can get her name changed without getting legally married
    (2) You can have k!ds together and they can inherit your name without getting legally married
    (3) The two of you can wear w3dding bands without getting legally married
    (4) You can have a marriage ceremony without getting legally married
    (5) You can make “vows” to each other without getting legally married.

    All of these good things can be accomplished while avoiding the downsides of legal marriage, which are:
    (1) D!vorce courts costs
    (2) Al!mony
    (3) Lowering your value, since she’s already “won” you over.
    (4) being forced to comply to her whims because of no-fault divorce, which will hurt you more than her.
    (5) Psychological trauma of going through 1-4, which can happen between 1 to 10 years, even more in some circumstances.

    And the odds of experiencing ALL of these downsides is around 50%. The logic and evidence is all there. Still not sure why men willingly throw themselves into the grinder.

    But if there are any proponents of legal marriage here, I’m glad to hear an argument for marriage being a net benefit to a man.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm Greg Eliot

      If you’ve never been married yourself, or even came close to having a girl you’d want to marry, then talk is cheap.

      It’s hard to make a case these days and in the current society, especially one that will convince those with no ears to hear, about things like honor, responsibility, tradition, and duty… to both yourself, her, and foremost, God… but there you go.

      If you have a beloved female relative, or a daughter of your own, is a cheap shack-up what you’d expect of or wish for her?

      If you have none of the above, then why bother asking? We’d be coming from different worlds..

      [CH: let’s stipulate your hypothetical daughter and her bf really truly deeply love each other, and you are confident they would stay together for the duration. would it ease your pro-marriage conscience if they held a ceremonial wedding but didn’t sign any dotted lines? after all, nothing would change but that the state didn’t legally recognize their union for tax recording purposes.]

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm safespaceplaypen

        Ridiculous. All of the following: ” honor, responsibility, tradition, and duty… to both yourself, her, and foremost, God…” can be obtained without a m@rriage license. George Washington didn’t get a m@rriage license. Neither did many other people prior to the 1800s.

        You’re using rhetorical chess maneuvers such as “If you’ve never been m@rried yourself, or even came close to having a girl you’d want to m@rry, then talk is cheap” and “If you have a beloved female relative, or a daughter of your own, is a cheap shack-up what you’d expect of or wish for her?” You seem like a smart guy, and I respect a lot of your input, but none of this holds up. It’s a matter of weighing the pros and the cons. I’ve experienced m@rriage through my two p@rents so from first hand experience i’m well aware of the trauma that can be inflicted and the consequences that will ensue.

        I also have several close friends and f@mily members who are getting suckered into m@rriage, young guys, around 24 years old. They didn’t see the consequences beforehand, only the benefits. Now 2 of them who got m@rried are already starting to experience the consequences and have no easy way out without going through the d!vorce grinder.

        “If you have none of the above, then why bother asking?” because I don’t want to see my close friends and f@mily members d!vorce r@ped because they couldn’t handle their emotions or weigh the pros and cons.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:24 pm mendo

        But m@rriage is a consecration, a commitment before God, which Greg already mentioned, so signing on the dotted line is nothing but a mere formality. It doesn’t bind the two the way m@rriage is intended and was designed.

        Heck, even some states and courts recognize common-law m@rriage, where after x number of years of cohabitation, the couple is considered to be m@rried.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 4:39 pm wolfie65

        Some of the ‘new agey’ Pagan groups perform a ceremony known as ‘jumping the broom’, which counts the same as a JudeoChristoMuslo ‘m@rr1@g3’, but they can decide to d1v0rce, no muss, no fuss, after a few years, or renew their vows.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 6:46 pm Greg Eliot

        Damn mod strikes again.

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 6:50 pm Greg Eliot

        Ridiculous. All of the following: ” honor, responsibility, tradition, and duty… to both yourself, her, and foremost, God…” can be obtained without a m@rriage license. George Washington didn’t get a m@rriage license. Neither did many other people prior to the 1800s.

        And “Walt Disney was a high school drop-out”, says every high school drop-out..

        What are we doing here, at the chateau? Rehashing all the hippie arguments from the Summer of Love?

        Look, boy… I knew George Washington… and you’re no George Washington. 😉

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      • on June 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm safespaceplaypen

        lol you missed the part that said “Neither did many other people prior to the 1800s”.

        If you want to bring back traditional m@rriage, you need to bring back how things were done prior to the 1800s. There’s nothing “hippyish” about this lol

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 6:16 am Greg Eliot

        If prior to the 19th century is what you’re going to use as a frame of reference, then this discussion is, for all intents and purposes, superfluous…

        … as is pretty much any discussion where a man is using “lol”.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 7:05 am safespaceplaypen

        lol

        “If prior to the 19th century is what you’re going to use as a frame of reference, then this discussion is, for all intents and purposes, superfluous…”

        Haven’t heard a single argument from you for legal-m@rriage, just a lot of poor reframe attempts like the above. Quit being a try-hard using poor-reframes and Agree&Amplify tricks, and actually argue for legal m@rriage using evidence. You seem to think its cool to convince guys to march into a raped institution that has few benefits and may (with a 50% chance) lead them to have a miserable life there after. Why do you think this is fine?

        (((queue greg eliot amog attempt lol)))

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      • on June 2, 2017 at 7:09 am theasdgamer

        Let’s talk about mawwiage. For the mods.

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      • on June 3, 2017 at 11:53 am tomjones

        “If you’ve never been married yourself, or even came close to having a girl you’d want to marry, then talk is cheap.”

        Same Logic: If you’ve never murdered yourself, or even came close to murdering someone, then talk is cheap. You have no right to judge murderers.

        bonehead. you talk like a Californian liberal.

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      • on June 5, 2017 at 8:14 am Diet Ice

        “…let’s stipulate your hypothetical daughter and her bf really truly deeply love each other, and you are confident they would stay together…”

        Res ipsa loquitur. Going to all that trouble simply to LARP marriage should turn on the bullshit detector of any reasonable, normal father. If my quasi son in law has that little confidence in the marriage staying together that he hacks something like this togateher, why the fudge would I?

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  33. on June 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm martin2

    I cannot even understand why a man would want to get married if she is not already carrying. I have been married twice, and in both sets of wedding photographs my brides are heavily pregnant.

    This sounds comical, but in fact now I realise that this was a serious issue for me. I wanted to be sure she was fertile before I made any commitment.

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  34. on June 1, 2017 at 5:02 pm Bo Jangles

    I disagree with PDAs being beta, nothing says ZFG like fucking a girl on the bar. Or making out with a girl all hot and sexy on the dance floor, and having other women wishing they were that woman. Its more passionate Italian style than stoical British. I’ve generally found that women prefer the Italian style.

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    • on June 1, 2017 at 7:06 pm Cracker

      i agree. but it depends on how hot the girl is. if she’s average or worse, showing affection toward her in public won’t do you any favors.

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  35. on June 2, 2017 at 3:59 am Les Saunders, Protestant

    When I was sucking some hot blonde’s face at the bar, I don’t think any of the guys thought it was beta. Nor when a girl sits down your lap. But there’s a big difference between that and compulsively holding a girlfriend’s hand when out and aboot.

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    • on June 5, 2017 at 8:23 am Diet Ice

      >bar
      >alter

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  36. on June 2, 2017 at 6:53 pm Bob

    I have to disagree with this analysis on a specific basis. I failed to give my wife kids when I discovered how much joy she took in sticking her fingers in her ears to dig out ear wax & stick such fingers in our cat’s nose to sniff. Right about that time I stopped dining at the Y & started contemplating divorce.

    [CH: wtf lol]

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  37. on June 3, 2017 at 1:44 pm fakeemail

    I can see a man getting married and not wanting kids.

    He gets married for the companionship/stability if he finds a good woman and he gets a solid prenup to stamp out the possibility of divorce rape.

    He doesn’t have kids because:

    -kids are expensive and all consuming for the rest of his life, and he’s decided in favor of a simple life with more personal freedom

    -what the fuck is so great about life anyway? Can any Red-Pill man truly say without equivocation that life is just so grand?

    You’re born happy and innocent for a bit, you grow up, you get fucked up by the savage competition of life, you work like a dog, you get old. . .It’s mostly a big tragedy and shit-show ending in tears and death.

    Sophocles — “To Never Have been born may be the greatest boon of all.”

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  38. on June 6, 2017 at 5:39 pm joel

    Those big marriages women throw are to consume Dad’s money. Otherwise, he would go out and find a younger woman after his wife’s fertility is over. Without the dough, most guys can’t land a younger fertile babe.

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