Women prefer to lay with taller men, generally. There is a visual dominance aspect to this preference that synchronizes with the female craving for men who are socially and psychologically dominating. In short (heh), women like the feeling they get when they literally and figuratively have to look up to men.
Less remarked upon is men’s preference for women smaller than themselves. Far from universal, it is nevertheless a common sight to see a taller/larger/fatter man with a shorter/smaller/thinner woman. Much more common than seeing the inverse.
It used to be thought that the latter was simply a consequence of the former; that is, women choose to be with bigger men than themselves and since women are the choosier sex men don’t choose smaller women so much as men end up with smaller women who have chosen them.
But what if the preference for sex-based size differentials goes both ways? What if men prefer smaller and thinner women as strongly as women prefer bigger men?
Reader Ironsides speculates that, if it exists, a male preference for smaller women is probably an evolved predilection that harkens back to a distant time — and which remains salient today — when size was the integral factor of tribal dominance.
[A smaller woman] also might instinctively indicate a person who won’t be constantly fighting the man for dominance. Instinct may not be fine-grained enough to distinguish a large, muscle-bound creature from a large, blubbery creature. It simply perceives enough bulk to indicate the mass necessary to challenge the male for leadership of the family/pack.
Kind of like how most guys won’t get in an LTR with a woman taller than they are — and how they often seem to be the subject of mockery or scorn when they do. See, for example, the view of Scalzi’s home life on this site.
Scalzied’s wife is not just taller than him, she’s bigger too. She looks like she could break Scalzi over her knee. And he’s the type of blobby shitlib goober who’d brag about that.
A large female may simply trigger a hard-wired “rival, not mate” reaction, even if the largeness is helpless blubber rather than muscle. Or at least, triggers a “what is it?” reaction from the instincts, which might be even more fundamentally unsettling than a straight-up “this is a rival” response.
So men have two good subconscious Darwinian reasons to reject fat chicks: fatties have lower fertility, and can be mistaken for dominance rivals. Or resource hogs (heh).
It’s an interesting supposition, but I think it goes even deeper than Ironside’s Fatties As Assumed Rival Theory (FaART), to the sexual dynamic always present between man and woman. Smaller women (relative to the man they’re with) appear more vulnerable and in need of protection. This female vulnerability adds a layer of pleasure to a man’s arousal, because men (White men at least) have evolved a wintry instinct to provide for a woman and any children they may have together. Big ol horsewomen don’t trigger that response in men. That’s why betafag low T losers like scalzi glom onto amazons….those kind of weak men prefer to be in the role of the vulnerable partner, mentally fapping to their own powerlessness.
All these calculations are subconscious (or fleetingly conscious). The grunt work to ensure our reproductive success on this earth is done by the tiny imbued survival and replication motors in our hindbrain architecture built and powered by our genes. On the poolside level of awareness, it’s all about the custard cannon. Men don’t like big-n-fat chicks because they look disgusting and sex with them feels gross. That’s really all the justification the God of Biomechanics needs to get His dirty work done.

PRO-TIP: If you can handle the big girlzzzezes, then they are META-lonely.
Set the filter on your dating site to, say, 5’10” and above, and your batting average will quickly swing from 0.100 to moar like 0.900.
BONUS PRO-TIP: Your progeny by a 5’4″ chick ain’t gonna be earning any NCCA Div I scholarship offers in any sport this side of table tennis.
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There was a famous skype photographer who was obsessed with tall White chicks…
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I prefer the tall fillies as well. I’m just under 5’10” and I think I most prefer girls who are about 5’7″ or so.
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Herb Ritts? I recall his Cindy Crawford work making a huge impression on me in the 1990s.
I’ve always loved tall women (e.g., 5’10”), or rather the long shapely legs attached to them.
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There was a tall Armenian lady that I used to work with. Great long legs, decent ass to which they were attached. Respectable bosom. She wasn’t that pretty, but from afar, she was somewhat fetching.
Typical problem of looking good from a distance but upon closer inspection, not so much.
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I’ve been looking at this pic trying to figure something out; the blonde in the front is the only one I’m not drawn to. Why?
She has the slightest paunch, like a woman 2 or 3 months pregnant. Combined with her extra perky tits (swollen) and her shoulders-back walk (to balance the newly-swollen front), and she gives me the impression of pregnant.
Because of contrast, I think. The other women are clearly not.
Compare that with today’s fatties whom won’t ever display pregnancy because they’re already too fat for it to make a visible difference.
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I’m 6′. I like tall girlz, cause standing up from behind (my fav) doesn’t require squatting, or standing with my feet 4′ apart.
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Trust me, man, they are very very very lonely.
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I know a tall girl who now finally found a boyfriend again, at age thirty. Very sweet girl, not amazingly attractive but attractive enough, works out thrice a week, conservative and smart. But she wanted a boyfriend as tall or taller as herself, and it was hard to find. She had a boyfriend eight years ago and now finally found a new one, and they have moved in together. I moved away so I don’t know if she had any shorter flings in the meantime, but this is the first serious boyfriend in all this time.
I always felt sorry for her. She of all people should have had someone.
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I’m 6’2′ and went on a date with a girl who was 6′. It was a little odd having a girl almost eye to eye. Actually had a good time with her but got the ‘I don’t see this going anywhere’ from her so I’m batting 0/1 with tall girls.
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Fat chicks look pregnant. There’s no point in poking.
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Have we reached Peak Obesity yet? Or does it jinx us to even ponder the topic?
I keep hoping that we’ve hit Peak Tat. I feel like I haven’t been seeing quite as many Tats at the swimming pool as I had been, say, a couple of summers ago.
Or maybe I’m just inured to it all now.
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When regular tattoos became too boring, they invented text directly printed on the body. With the media promoting it, of course.
Is there anything more meaningless than putting text on a body? It’s not even a picture, which could be said to be visually pleasing.
“Yes, I’ve read it now. I don’t need to read it again. Why didn’t you just put it on a piece of paper?”
Perhaps Mourning Tattoos will be promoted next. Put the atrocity of your choice on your body, So That We May Never Forget. It will be the very apex of virtue signaling.
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Or instead of Mourning Tattoos, go one step further and call it Guilt Tattoos. Tattoo the Holocaust. Tattoo lynched Blacks. Tattoo drowning immigrants. And tattoo your White Privilege on your ribs, so that you may never forget.
Then tattoo a dagger thrusting into your heart. It’s what you deserve, Whitey. Imagine being able to show it to the world, how fresh! How edgy! That’s how to deal with the London attacks, surely. That’ll show the racists.
Guilt Tattoos: Coming to a campus near you.
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Honestly, if there was a tax I could pay that would ban tattoos on women, I’d gladly pay up. Those “text” tattoos are the ugliest, stupidest, and most pretentious things known to man.
As I’ve written before, tattoos are an “eff you” to men, from the globalist feminist establishment. Women are herd creatures and all of this didn’t happen by accident. There is nothing as beautiful as the unspoiled young (in shape) female body and desecrating it is more an act of treason toward men than anything.
[CH: tats on women are both FUs and F MEs to men. when i see a tatted up chick i know she’s the type who’s good to go. which also means she’s the type to disavow the vows.]
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amen, doba
plain english text is bad enough, but foreign hieroglyphics are even worse. nothing says ‘i’m a diversificated slut’ better than some retarded ink in chinkese
it’s only a matter of time before they start tagging themselves in arabic. seen h3br3w, i reckon it’s close enough
last time some chick asked me if i had any tats (she had a couple), i looked her in the eye and said ‘my body is a temple, not a housing project’
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Just once I decided to overlook my rule on gaming a tatted up gal. Turns out she was in the process of getting half her torso inked up. She had the ubiquitous welcome mat on the lower back, and the, in her own words, ‘hurt like hell’ tattoo on the front of her foot. She was beautiful with just the right amount of swayback and heft in the tush, but the ink totally ruined it all. Well, sort of.
Funny thing as I found this blog shortly after striking out with her.
Whew. . .
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Fatties look sick because they are = bad investment risk and no men desire to bone them.
Unfortunately, there’s no law stopping barrel-scraping Scalzi manlets from spasming on marginally fertile cows.
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I just vomited reading that comment. Nice work.
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Crikey.
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[…] Why Men Prefer Smaller Women […]
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It is about the tribe’s survival. Pairing the small with the big means the big can help the small, so that all members of the tribe have a good chance to survive. A woman who is as tall (and therefore as strong) as a man has less need of help from him. He is better paired with a smaller woman, and she with a taller man.
Note that this instinct is about the TRIBE’S survival, not the individual’s. The individual man’s offspring would be better helped by having two tall and strong parents, who can better protect and provide, and who will give their children a stronger physique. But such luxury for just one couple – two tall parents – would be detrimental for the tribe as a whole. Save the tall men for the short women who need them, so that the tribe can maximize its next generation.
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There’s one other thing you’re leaving out I hate to bring up. But someone’s gotta do the dirty jobs around here…
Bigger/taller women trigger instincts beyond the “rival/not mate.” They signal “That’s a man, baby!” This is why fat women are so popular among closeted gay men (something confirmed to me by gay men themselves). Their “bulk” reminds men of other men.
This might work well if you’re a closeted gay man, but if you’re a straight man it sends off negative signals to the brain. It’s just not feminine. And in some ways it’s “homoerotic” and a major turn off.
This is something that dare not speak its name in women’s circles. Fat women, esp. older ones, have the physical presence of men. Their mates can try to look the other way, but men are visual and that can only last so long.
This also goes for taller women, unless they’re ultra-feminine, which they usually aren’t.
As a short guy, I remember feeling all thrilled when I bedded my first significantly taller woman in college. But little things started to bother me, like her huge feet and deep voice. And her shoulders, which were a bit too broad. Not big deals, but this stuff adds up. Pretty soon I was scurrying back to the petite girlfriend.
[CH: yup every gay man in my social circle has a fat chick bff. part of the reason for that might also be that fat chicks have trouble attracting the company of straight men and have to settle for gay men as friends to get that rush of hanging out with the opposite sex, even if it comes with a swish and an uptalk.]
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>Their mates can try to look the other way, but men are visual and that can only last so long.
It must be so embarrassing to have a fat girlfriend. You KNOW other men think you are settling. It’s like finishing college and then taking the lowest, most boring menial job because you’re afraid to compete for the better jobs.
You only have one life, and that’s it? You’re going to spend it with a woman you can’t be attracted to? No matter how much money you have, there’s no compensating for that.
I watched a British show where real-estate brokers help people find homes, and in so many of the couples were either one or both seriously ugly. There were these beautiful old homes in the show, but what home could ever compensate for living with that?
I guess if you have a fat/ugly partner you’ll try your hardest compensating though, with the best possible home, garden, car, vacation. And try not to look at the young guy with his hot, slim girlfriend when you’re at the beach.
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“It must be so embarrassing to have a fat girlfriend.”
It must be, but it’s under your control. What happens when you own a house with a woman and she puts on 80 pounds and cuts off her hair?
You basically end up feeling like you’re dating a man. THIS is the insidious problem facing countless married American men. How can women not see this? How can they have so little pride as to let this happen. Granted, American men aren’t the greatest. But they don’t usually morph into women after marriage, so women shouldn’t transform into men.
[CH: i’ve always said if you want to point the finger at one cause for the divorce rate, look no further than the female obesity pandemic.]
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“Granted, American men aren’t the greatest.”
Yes we are. Richest, most globally significant, militarily dominant. Most decent, evolved and under the most pressure to be fully rounded men (because the women are such trash, the competition is super keen). Yeah, too many guys are fat but it’s mostly married guys. American men are the best in the world. You could say it’s Danes (all 1,782 of them), but outside of tiny pockets like that, American men are the best in the world. That’s why are women are such garbage, they’re spoiled.
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‘I guess if you have a fat/ugly partner you’ll try your hardest compensating though, with the best possible home, garden, car, vacation. And try not to look at the young guy with his hot, slim girlfriend when you’re at the beach’
there’s an INCREDIBLE amount of compensating in modern America and Britain. just like you described (home, garden, etc.)
they compensate less in Europe, Canada and Australia.
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[CH: i’ve always said if you want to point the finger at one cause for the divorce rate, look no further than the female obesity pandemic.]
i don’t know about it being the biggest cause for divorce. it’s mostly women who file.
but i don’t doubt it’s the biggest cause for men having side chicks. w1fey letting herself go or having a bitchy/naggy personality and not making any effort to change should be an automatic free pass for side action. can’t expect fidelity when you’re not holding up your end of the bargain.
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Europeans compensate less primarily because compensations tend to be MUCH more expensive and harder to come by.
They do – or did – compensate a LOT via ever more exotic vaycays.
All hail the holy Urlaub !
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i don’t know about it being the biggest cause for divorce. it’s mostly women who file.
partly because no woman wants to stay married to a man who would stay married to a land whale lzolzzoozlzozollozlz
it’s the circle of lard
[CH: circle of lard. lol]
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i don’t know about it being the biggest cause for divorce. it’s mostly women who file.
partly because no woman wants to stay m_rri3d to a man who is willing to stay m_rri3d to a land whale lolllzolzlzllzozllzlz
it’s the circle of lard
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good point
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“Circle of lard”
@itsme
It’s a viscous [sic] circle.
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like her huge feet and deep voice. And her shoulders, which were a bit too broad.
Well I’m not the world’s most masculine man,
But I know what I am and I’m glad I’m a man,
And so is Lola.
[CH: dude looks like a lady]
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Fat women are surrounded by two types of men; members of the gay male subculture, and blaks. Their socialization with these elements may in part be why they turn to aggressive-bitchy-liberalism on Fagbook, etc., for they need to defend and empathize with the only men who will give them the time of day.
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The words of the great Mickey Mantle, “I like to pick up short girls because it makes my dick look bigger”
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For my part, I split the difference. I like girls who are fuller-figured than CH’s preferences (think early 1960s starlets like Kim Novak in Vertigo, or Anita Ekberg in La Dolce Vita). But I definitely need them to be shorter than I am, and I’m only 5’8. Also, definitely younger — no “cougar” likings whatsoever.
So I’m two for three on the Darwinian premise being posited here: preference for younger and shorter girls, BUT not so skinny.
If I’m being honest, though, and obviously I’m biased, I think that the skinniness fetish is more a modern thing promoted by the homo fashion industry, which many guys today have internalized, and that the curvier 1950s or 1960s ideal is more the Darwinian default.
[CH: 1950s american women were far skinnier than women today. marilyn monroe’s dresses would be too small for what now would be considered thin women.]
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“If I’m being honest, though, and obviously I’m biased, I think that the skinniness fetish is more a modern thing promoted by the homo fashion industry…”
Some of it is. But some of it is also a form of insurance that helps protect against the woman putting on so much weight after you get married that it seems like you’re with a man. I addressed this in a post that disappeared. But you notice this as you get older.
Too many wives of my old high school friends gained weight and cut off all their hair. They now look like drag queens. They’re so masulinized that you’d never guess what they looked like in college.
While marrying a thin woman doesn’t prevent this happening, it makes it a better bet than exchanging vows with a female who is already porking out.
[CH: ya know, this got me thinking about something that vindicates the point you make here. when i was a stripling teen boy i wouldn’t look twice at any girl who had even an exxxtra half pound of fat on her. it was the slimmest babes who grew my meat flue. as i got older, i still was disgusted by fat chicks, but a pound or two in the right places no longer offended my senses with the same intensity. i think that you’re right, we (white) men are programmed to prefer super skinny chicks when young because it’s insurance against them getting too fat when older.]
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Sentient always brings up certain areas of a women, such as shoulder area and I believe the wrist area, where girls who are already thin, will stay thin. Give or take a pound or two now and then.
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“Too many wives of my old high school friends gained weight and cut off all their hair. They now look like drag queens. They’re so masulinized that you’d never guess what they looked like in college.”
I hear you, but your experience is conflating different elements that are not equatable.
To my eyes, a young girl with long hair, a cute round face (instead of a manjawed gaunt look) and a few extra pounds is a lot more feminine than an older woman with short hair and a gym-muscularized angular frame.
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True. The spinner is your best long term play.
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[CH: 1950s american women were far skinnier than women today. marilyn monroe’s dresses would be too small for what now would be considered thin women.]
CH, I can personally vouch that is correct. I took my daughters to the Costume section of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, where they had an exhibit of women’s dresses from the 1950s. At the center was a dress worn by Marilyn Monroe. There was a visibly agitated middle-aged hog who was angrily (but thankful, quietly) denying that this could have been worn by Marilyn. You could hear her reality shattering, as she was forced to confront the fact that she was elephantine compared to the real Marilyn. It was tiny; she could have worn it comfortably on her leg.
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[CH: 1950s american women were far skinnier than women today. marilyn monroe’s dresses would be too small for what now would be considered thin women.]
As I cited, I’m going by the look in films, not the look in real life. The young Kim Novak look is a lot more feminine, to my eyes, than the masculinized gym-rat, halfways-to-Madonna-arms muscled look that many actresses go for these days.
[CH: agreed. at least in popular culture, women were far more feminine-looking in the 1950s than they are today.]
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Kim Novak in Vertigo was too tasty.
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So now I’m the author of the FaART hypothesis? That’s hilarious. (Yes, that statement piles hypothesis on top of theory, but FaART hypothesis couldn’t be passed up.)
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Looks like that FaART I poasted a while back finally got through moderation. However, my comment on this didn’t. Which is amusing in itself.
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Productively, being a woman is a safer bet. IIRC, something like 80% of women in our collective family tree have produced children while on 40% of men have. This is why we continue to evolve. The only thing inhibiting women’s reproduction is fitness and the ability to provision whereas men need to have something more going for them. So the genetic gamble is do you have sons and hope one is alpha enough (or uber alpha / genetic celebrity) that spread their’s and your seeds far and wide or you crank out girls.
My guess is that with all the asian-white mixtures, the girls will far out produce their brothers. The men’s best chance of success will be to marry asian, maybe overseas, while the women can go both ways but will frequently marry into white families. At least that is what a lot of people are betting. 1,000 years from now when a white has an asian in their wood pile it will have been a woman and when an asian has a white, it will have been a man.
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If there still are whites in 1,000 years, that is.
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Whites will be in asian history books. Africa will be a game preserve for Chinese hunters.
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My guess is that if Whites disappear but science in Asia survives the fall of the West, you will have the Chinese genetically programming their offspring for intelligence, and physical stature but also for how they look. Those looks will be closer to what you see in Japanese anime and Chinese illustrations of idealized Chinese. People will be vaguely Eurasian looking, but with pale skin, lightish hair, facial features that are more European than Asian, except with small noses, and perhaps even blue eyes.
White people look like White people because since there is no survival advantage to dark pigmentation in the forests of Northern Europe, evolution selected for the eye-catching traits of flashier, light coloring. There are blondes in the world because gentlemen prefer them.
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All that will be left is a museum in Beijing. The Museum of European History. Photos of white people.
There will be a handful of whites scattered around the world (Alberta, Montana, New Zealand, Malta, Aruba, Ireland, parts of Russia/Poland).
Africans will be annihilated. A few million Arab slaves will be used as a labor force by the Chinese overlords in Africa.
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“Africa will be a game preserve for Chinese hunters.”
Not sure about that. Chinese are idiots when it comes to hunting, having absolutely no understanding of leaving a few of the animals alive as breeding stock for later rather than killing them all off now.
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“Africans will be annihilated.”
Sorry, don’t see it happening. Rather, the whole world becoming a mulatto Idiocracy is far more likely.
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White with Asian in the woodpile = Russian
Also, we must define ‘Asian’.
Americans usually mean Japanese/Chinese/Korean when they use the term, Brits mean Indians or Pakis, continental Europeans might mean anyone from Istanbul to the Bering Sea, from Celebes to the Ural mountains.
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That look is from the Mongols. Wild times. Those guys got on little ponies and almost took Europe.
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Tall club international. Had a roommate in college who was 6’6″. I am 6’2″. 6-2 is the minimum height for guys. We would to the meet and greats in Chicago. Tall women definitely preferred guys at least 2 inches taller than them. There are two body types for tall women. The proportional ones who you need a frame of reference to realize just how tall they are, and the ones who pull a plow in the off season.
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In that scenario, my taller friend had to fight them off. Btw, he settled down with a D1 volleyball player and their kids are already tall. At their wedding, I offered my services as an agent for their future progeny.
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I’m 1.75m (5’8 – 5’9 for ye of decimally challenged lands), which is just about average around these parts. While I tend to prefer chicks on the smaller side (or they tend to prefer me, really a hard to pin down matter as your post says), I have dated some women taller than me and I felt pretty good about it.
I’m a bit of a show-off with my women – my beta past has left some thirst for validation that I still wasn’t able to completely shrug off – and nothing says “look at me” like having a hulking sexy woman at your side. People will shit-test, and you shrug it off coming out even more alpha. “what, you think it’s easy to drag this lumbering beast around? gets stuck in doors all the time, huge pain in the ass”, it’s very entertaining.
And as a short man, if you end up producing spawn with a taller woman, you’re doing them a big service.
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“Big ol horsewomen don’t trigger that response in men.”
Brought to mind a passage from Erich Remarque’s 1931 novel ‘The Road Back,’ his sequel to “All Quiet on the Western Front.”
“I see at once that it is his wife. She carries herself upright, though her shoulders are frail. –There is something pathetic about a woman’s neck and shoulders; they are childlike in some way. One can never really bring oneself to be harsh with them — I don’t mean the fat ones, of course, the ones with necks like hams.”
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There are quite a few short men in our social circle, and – to a man – they actively pursue tall women. Not just by an inch or two, but significantly taller. They aren’t put off by the fact that, more often than not, tall women don’t want them, they keep on trying. Always found it amusing because they would probably make a killing with short gals.
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Dating taller girls does feel a little odd, but if everything else about the relationship is good, no big deal.
I think the fact that the vast majority of coupl3s are (much) taller men with shorter women is indeed a direct result of women’s preferences.
BOME, if the top of her head is well below your chin, congratulations, you may be ‘her type’.
Between your chin and your eyes – borderline, acceptance will depend upon your looks, youth, bank roll and status.
If you can’t easily see the top of her head, forget it – unless you actually are Sylvester Stallone or Tom Cruise.
There are exceptions, every once in a while, you might find a very tall girl – say, 5’10+ – who has realized that there aren’t many men who are 7′ or better (which is what she wants, what she really, really wants) and who is rebelling against Female Nature by considering men closer to her own height.
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An interesting case study: I have a female friend who is about 5’11”. Slender, attractive; about an 8 in the face. Poor girl nearly killed herself from anorexia. Not because she was ever overweight, but because she was so damned tall that she never felt feminine or small and “dainty” enough, especially compared to the skinny-jeaned Brooklyn hipster manlets she regularly found herself dating. She couldn’t diminish herself vertically, so she began unconsciously to shrink herself horizontally.
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Take note of the size of women’s wrists and ankles.
Women with petite ankles/wrists are far less likely to end up so that “you have to roll them in flour to find their wet spot”.
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As someone who’s historically been into women much *much* smaller than myself, I can attest to this. I will add on top of this post that, as I’ve analyzed this preference I’ve felt there’s another aspect to it. A girl much smaller than the man she’s hanging onto or walking beside accentuates the man’s tallness and other features. He’s the center of that picture, and the girl is almost like a prop to bring more attention onto him. This completely flips when the chick is taller, with the shorter guy instead pulling more attention onto her in most cases. This theory lines up with reality: when you see a tall guy with a super short girl, you’re going to notice the guy before the girl, and if you see a huge lardass with a low T manlet, you’re going to notice (and cringe at) the chick first.
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I’m 6’7 and I’ve never dated a girl who was taller than 5’3. Hooked up with a few but it just didn’t ring my chimes like a short girl does. The one advantage a tall gal has over her shorter sisters is that you don’t have to bend over to kiss her, but that’s about it. Shorter girls bring out your protective instincts and something about that is just plain sexy.
Still keeping my eyes out for the holy grail, a girl who’s 5′ or thereabouts.
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Dating North Korean babes?
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Pygmies
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ROFL below. Ever see the flick The Gods Must Be Crazy?
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Short girls (<5'5) tend to be the biggest heightnazis.
NOTHING under 6'2 will do for them.
They don't care that they look ridiculous a coupl3.
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Short girls like height. Average girls (5’6 to 5’9), on the other hand, are comfortable with a guy who is only two, three inches taller. Often, the same height (give or take an inch).
There are a lot of American couples like this:
Male 5’9, his bitch is 5’6.
Male 5’11, his bitch is 5’9.
Male 5’8, his bitch is 5’8.
Male 5’8, his bitch is 5’10.5.
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@wolfie65 @tomjones
I suspect the reason is that the men and women in question want (subconsciously or not) their kids to be of a more average height. Being Wilt Chamberlain tall may help you if you’re a man, but it won’t help your daughters find mates and can also cause a lot of health problems. Similarly, being a short woman helps you find a mate, but it’s bad for your sons.
So you have short women and tall men seeking out each other, and average-to-short men and average-to-tall women seeking out each other so long as the man is slightly taller.
[CH: male height seems to be such a strong attractiveness trigger for women that i wonder why a taller male avg hasn’t fixed itself into most human populations, but your point here may help explain why. also, shorter people live longer than taller people. there’s a trade-off between growth and aging (this is why fasting is so good at slowing down the aging process). there may be a counter-selection effect for shorter men when times are tough, because those men are healthier and better able to withstand periodic food shortages.]
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“i wonder why a taller male avg hasn’t fixed itself into most human populations”
Before the industrial age, height was perhaps the most potent proxy for nutritional quality. In hunter-gatherer groups, that would be hunting ability, and for settled agriculturalists, success in farming and indication of SES, or how well you could afford to eat — depending on the time period, nobility could be four to ten inches taller than commoners.
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And my experience dating short girls has not been that they’re less likely to argue with me, simply because they’re that much smaller than I am. I’ve had plenty of rows with them. But the whole time I’m thinking, “Damn, short girls are cute when they’re angry.” And they are, much more so than I imagine arguing with a fat-assed gargantuan would be.
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yeah, it is cute when they get mad.
hard to stay mad at them because of that.
kind of like how it’s hard to stay mad at puppies, kittens, or babies even though they can be real shits sometimes.
intelligent design i think. baby animals, baby humans, and small women are cute so you you’re less likely to kill them when they piss you off.
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Exactly. I have to bite my tongue to keep from being condescending, because they’re just so adorable when they’re angry or hurt.
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An alpha 6″1′ tall Australian friend of mine of Irish/Anglo background married a short ass Southern European woman who was under 5ft tall in high heels.
Five kids later, they divorce, partly because she has been banging her personal trainer. She has been able to deny him any access to the kids for over 5 years while getting over a third of his pay as child support.
(All based on what he has told me; though I gather that he also f*ck*d around behind her back.)
I had met her her a couple of times years ago and at best was a 6 – 6.5 on a good day. In hindsight, I can only speculate that prior to everything going pearshaped she f*ck*d like a rattlesnake and gave BJ’s like her life depended on it.
Never underestimate how far a woman can go if she is prepared to throw her pussy at a man.
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And the clowns at the chateau criticize me because I’m not married…
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And the clowns at the chateau criticize me because I avoid m@rriage like the spanish flu.
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Actually, we point at you and either laugh or (((shake our haids))) because your negative attitude is what makes women worthy of marriage keep giving you the widest of berths.
Sour grapes do make make a dessert… and victory is not defined as taking oneself out of the game before it starts..
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The next time I get asked why I haven’t been married; I will answer….
“Because I understand women”.
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“Southern European woman”
There’s his problem right there.
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It’s blue pill reaction. You can be afraid of men taller and bigger than you. Martial arts help with that bad feelings. You can be afraid of large but stupid animals. Having 176-178 height is ideal for Earth gravitation. Tall men are having troubles with the spine. They are mutants.
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Spot with this. When I see a tall woman my reaction is considerably different than when I see a short woman. When I see a tall, beautiful woman, my first thought is “our children will be magnificent”.
That’s kinda why I’m angling to find a 6′ tall woman to bear my kids
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Given that women’s preference for height trumps all other physical features a man has (a man can be fat, or have low facial attractiveness, if he’s also tall), a man’s preference for shorter women is a rational choice.
It is often not sufficient to merely be taller than her however, I see plenty of women who reject men that don’t have sufficient absolute height even if those men are 6″ taller than them.
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Making them tippy-toe for a kiss also puts the relationship in the right frame.
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A popular saying in Portugal goes like this: “We want women as we want our sardines – small and hot”
(As mulheres querem-se como as sardinhas – pequenas e boas)
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I’m 6’3 and 115kg (254 lbs) (powerlifting for 5 years bobybuilding before that) and my wife is 42kg (92lbs). I’m trying to bulk to 120 and get her to to drop to 40 so i’m three times her size literally, ha. Chicks dig big guys
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And then paint yourself green… Hulk game, for the win. kekekekekekek
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I am glad that you made a post about this because for years I’ve been noticing this phenomenon. I never would have thought that the taller the women, reaching my height, would in a sense find me as a rival though. That is interesting because from my viewpoint, and it might be subjective, it’s why I see couples who are almost the same height fight more often.
On to my personal tastes, I’ve liked thick women for a while, and when I mean thick, I mean in the right places, the white definition of thick, not the black. But recently skinny smaller girls make me feel a raw dominant emotion when I talk to them, funny enough and I don’t know if it correlates, it started to happen when I started hitting the gym.
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“it is nevertheless a common sight to see a taller/larger/fatter man with a shorter/smaller/thinner woman. Much more common than seeing the inverse.”
You must not live in the Midwest. Everywhere in the Midwest I’ve been to the woman is almost always MUCH fatter than the man.
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‘You must not live in the Midwest. Everywhere in the Midwest I’ve been to the woman is almost always MUCH fatter than the man.’
Sadly true.
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there are probably a few other factors that drove the petite female => reproductive fitness mating strategy.
first, smaller women have a shorter distance from their vulva to their cervix which means a better chance of delivering the flagellated payload straight to the target.
second, monogamy was not necessarily THE driving force during the millions of years of human and prehuman evolution when our genetic scripture was being scrawled out through sexual selection. r@pe, and polygamy was also important and small-woman attraction strategy has relevance in both.
smaller women can be taken more easily by a man for sex, a significant driver of genetics. (.5% of the world’s population are descendants of ghengis Khan.) any guy who’s ever marveled at how rough many small women like their sex know that there’s probably something to that. it’s not possible that the “hi! I’m cute and small! take me! I can handle it!” evolved as a semi-deliberate mating strategy.
thirdly, in a polygamous setting small-woman mating strategy would be set in the context of competing with other women for the alphas attention through by appealing to the alpha’s sense of protection. that part makes sense.
and lastly, smaller women consume fewer resources than a big boned brick house. if you’re providing for a family in a preindustrial setting, or even trying to just make ends meet in a big city in modern times, that’s an important consideration. when all you have feed her is half a sandwich every 6-8 hours it definitely helps your bottom line.
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it *IS* possible that the “hi! I’m cute and small!…..
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You guy’s are way overthinking this.
Small female: Big is better when it comes to protection.
Big male: The smaller she is the bigger my dick looks.
lolzzzz
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The answer is simple, it’s a fitness test / mediation by evolution. The most masculine men mate the most feminine women. The highest extremes mate each other and so contribute to reversion to the mean: The counterbalance to this pairing is your son’s will come out less masculine and your daughters less feminine.
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“The most masculine men mate the most feminine women.:
BINGO
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This is something I try to observe. Masculinity and femininity are major contributors to attractiveness, but so is symmetry.
You’re potential genetic makeup is more of a grab bag of your parents various genes. Your masculinity or femininity would range between 25-75% contributed from one of your parents. But on average yes, masculine dad and mom would likely make alpha sons and sadly masculine daughters and vice a versa. I find m/f siblings with large variations in smv an interesting case. I’ve observed in my feminine beauty gfs a preponderance of beta dads as well.
Once you’ve selected your mate for good symmetry (gene quality) the only way to garuntee you end up with an alpha son or HB daughter is to have lots of kids, 3 at least. This will insure your genetic line is passed on.
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Maybe it’s more of a question of what the brain recognizes as fuckable or even female? Stray too far from thin and the male brain just lumps you in with men.
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yep, and it’s not all about thinness. taller women also tend to have broader shoulders, narrower hips, deeper voices etc.
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IMHO, tall women will contribute to the hunt.
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‘Tis better to have love, and lost, a short girl, than never to have loved a tall.
[CH: s(h)nort]
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golf clap
Brilliant!
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sure, but if she’s out hunting, who takes care of the b@bies?
suppose you think your girl should dump your kids in daycare so she can go out and earn a living to help you out financially too.
wrong way to look at things man.
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Fambly dun take care of the kids. Or at least they should.
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no, family should only be taking care of kids occasionally. great for them to be around so your kids are close to them but it shouldn’t be so your w1fe can help you provide for the family. that’s your job.
mom should be the main caregiver. then cooking and taking care of the home. that’s her job.
hunting, working, providing, your job.
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Random thoughts from a 3x divorced 60 Y/O shitlord, 5’8”, who has pondered this topic too much.
– All other factors equal, I have no doubt that short women get more attention from men than do tall women. Relatedly, I’ve observed that attractive, unattached short women over a certain age are quite likely psycho-crazy bitches.
– Whenever I’m in public in my neck of the woods(Detroit metro area), I reflexively notice bangable women that come within view. When they’re with a man, it is damned near rare that the dude is less than six feet tall. Curiously, when I travel around the country, it is more common for me to see attractive women in the company of shorter men; in Denver last weekend, I actually saw a few couples where the man was actually shorter than the hottish woman he was with, something I virtually never see at home.
– I have suspected that some of the taller women I’ve been with to have been faking their desire for me(with an eye on my resources)
– I’ve observed that 45+ year old women who are both attractive and single are disproportionately tall women (5’7”+).
– Cosigning wolfie65, I’ve long noted that the biggest Height Queens of all are attractive women(the ones with the most options) who also happen to be short(5’3” and shorter). Kind of like they’re bound and determined to not have short offspring(this continues to hold true beyond childbearing years). I’m myself a result of such a pairing between a 6’2” college athlete and a 5’1” cute little spinner. Whenever I see a hot little woman with a man who towers over her by a foot, the dark side of me wishes for their female offspring to be giant amazons and their sons to inherit mom’s petite frame.
– I’ve found my own personal sweet spot to be women of average height (5’4” – 5’6”). I’ve done better with them than I have with shorter women. Come to think of it, I suspect that the bell curve on height for women is narrower than it is for men(kind of like how it is for other gender attributes, like intelligence), with fewer outliers at either end of the curve.
– Owing to the relative abundance of single women who are taller than average, I can well imagine what a tap-in putt it must be for taller dudes with even modest game to snag a tall woman.
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“Cosigning wolfie65, I’ve long noted that the biggest Height Queens of all are attractive women(the ones with the most options) who also happen to be short(5’3” and shorter).”
Looking back, considering the hottest women who’ve had an interest in me, they’re disproportionately likely to be only a few inches shorter than me (I’m just under 5’10”). If they’re very short, or taller than me, they usually aren’t interested.
Not that I’m complaining, since I prefer that height range anyway.
“I’m myself a result of such a pairing between a 6’2” college athlete and a 5’1” cute little spinner.”
If you’re 5’8″, it looks like your mom’s strategy got you two inches of extra height.
“Owing to the relative abundance of single women who are taller than average, I can well imagine what a tap-in putt it must be for taller dudes with even modest game to snag a tall woman.”
Tall girls start to relax their height requirements in favor of Game requirements. They seem to most strongly favor modestly taller men with better Game more. Sort of like your experience with average-height women, but shifted up a few inches. In the case of short women, their Game requirements are relaxed for very tall men (what you call being “Height Queens”).
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vfm:
If you’re 5’8″, it looks like your mom’s strategy got you two inches of extra height.
That’s certainly one way of looking at it. Alternatively, my dad’s breeding strategy cost him having tall sons.
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On the subject of Natural Selection and De-Selection: “PLAINVILLE (CBS) — Michelle Carter faced Judge Lawrence Moniz, instead of a jury, during opening statements of her involuntary manslaughter trial Tuesday morning. Carter is accused encouraging her boyfriend, Conrad Roy, to commit suicide.”
The boy was ‘too needy’ and had to be culled – was the girl’s instinctual action.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/06/06/bench-trial-michelle-carter-encouraging-suicide/
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“If encouraging certain people to take a hike from this mortal coil is a crime, your honor, then I am guilty!”
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w1f3 is 5’2″ 95lbs, i’m 6’4″ 170lbs; the mechanics are at times challenging but manageable 😉
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Big women eat more food. That’s more work for the hunter/gatherer. Men can make just as many babies with a small woman, and not have to work as hard feeding them.
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“I have a thyroid issue.”
“Well, STOP eatin. thyroid!”
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*crickets*
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Little ones may be more fun than big ones, especially since you can throw them around easier, but I’d rather have kids with one my height (5’10”).
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taller women are “faster” to put in bed than shorter, in a short-term scheme of things though. science has said that!
but the subject that I’m most fascinated though is about income. is kind of rare to see a LTR with a women that is better paid than a men. it’s simply not right. and this has tremendous impact on the future: more income inequality between households (hehe despite being part of the liberal agenda, high-paid women will want a even higher-paid husband) or, yes, over-educated women with cats instead of kids and husband
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yeah, i’ve noticed that taller women are easier lays for sure. probably out of desperation. not necessarily better in bed once you get them there though.
in my experience, the short ones are tougher to get into bed in the beginning but a lot more fun and eager for more once you do. suppose that might be because the short ones i’ve been with were italian or latin so they were fiery little things.
but in general, i’ve found smaller girls to be more energetic overall so i think it might not even have anything to do with ethnicity. probably just different because they are small. kind of like how a big dog is going to lay around most of the day while little dogs need to be walked and entertained or they will tear up the place.
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Another of life’s interesting twists: short men will generally have higher testosterone than taller men. Your pituitary glands starts making T in puberty and you stop growing. This makes for some interesting smv variations over time. Early blooming short high T guys are highly preferred by all young women in the preteen and teen years. Men who are both tall and masculine are exceedingly rare.
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The real reason is that you can really bend and bang them hard. Assuming they like that sort of thing.
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bend them. that is a perk for sure.
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Honestly, for me small chicks just have tighter vajayjays. That’s all it is really.
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