Tarl Cabot had a very insightful comment about present-day Globalist Girls while responding to and countering weev’s argument that the Northern barbarians were proto-feminist beta male schlubs who turned their culture into Girls Gone Wild.
Tacitus contradicts weev (probably why he didn’t quote him). According to him, the Germans were fanatics about the chastity of their women. Female status in Teutonic society was determined by virginity before marriage and maternity after. Provided women lived by those two virtues, they had significant respect and even some influence, more so than in other societies.
The problem with the modern western woman is that we have decoupled those feminine virtues from feminine status. Her rights are divorced from her responsibilities. Probably the birth control pill is to blame more than any other factor: it lowered the social cost of harlotry, and opened female minds (and legs) to the blandishments of ashkepathic nihilism.
The decoupling of the feminine virtues (principally Virginity/Chastity/Modesty and Maternity/Fidelity/Selflessness) from feminine status restates the observations contained in the classic CH writings on the subject of the “Six Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse“.
Le Chateau was on top of all this years ago, when we proposed a sea change in the American cultural landscape heralded by the coming of the
FourFiveSix Sirens of the Sexual Apocalypse:
- Effective and widely available contraceptives (the Pill, condom, and the de facto contraceptive abortion).
- Easy peasy no-fault divorce.
- Women’s economic independence (hurtling towards women’s economic advantage if the college enrollment ratio is any indication).
- Rigged feminist-inspired laws that have caused a disincentivizing of marriage for men and an incentivizing of divorce for women.
- Penicillin (reduced the cost of contracting STDs)
- Widely available hardcore porn.
I added numbers five and six to the list of Sexual Apocalypse Sirens, because they seem to me just as important to understanding how the sexual market changed in the last fifty or so years.
So, a crib sheet of quippy replies if you ever need it to send a feminist or manboob howling with indignation:
1. The Pill
2. No-fault divorce
3. Working women
4. Man-hating feminism
5. Penicillin
6. PornToss into a social salad bowl already brimming with an influx of non-European immigrants thanks to the 1965 soft genocide act, mix thoroughly, and voila!: a huge, inexorable, relentless leftward shift in American politics, an explosion of single moms, wage stagnation, government growth, upper class childlessness, lower class dysgenics, and a creaking, slow deterioration in the foundational vigor of the nation and the gutting of the pride of her people.
It takes two to tango.
For the single ladies…
Virginity
Chastity
Modesty
…characterize the feminine virtues inextricably linked with High Civilization.
And for the married women…
Maternity
Fidelity
Selflessness
…are the feminine virtues of a healthy society.
Civilized society accords single and married women feminine status if they adhere to the above virtues. The decline occurs when civilized society, assisted by reproduction thwarting technologies and virginity thwarting social permissiveness, continues according women the rewards of feminine status without the responsibilities of feminine virtue.
There’s a word for that behavior-reward cycle disruption: nihilism.
And when the cost-free rewards are granted to women alone while men are still admonished to keep up their end of the bargain as responsible contributors to society, the word is: gynarchy.
The modern West, with America representing the tip of the degenerate spear, is reconstituting itself into a borg of gynarchies, ruled by a brigade of bulldykes and consortium of emotional sluts overseen by their globohomo male handlers, served dutifully by a supporting cast of effete manginas, dopey white knights, and thirsty beta males.
Hard men bring good times.
Good times bring soft men.
Soft men bring hard times.
Hard times bring hard men.
Now add women to this aphorismic cycle:
Dads and damsels bring good times.
Good times bring cads and tramps.
Cads and tramps bring hard times.
Hard times bring dads and damsels.
America and her satellite White European source pools are currently in Stage 3 of this civilization-primitivism cycle: Cads and tramps are bringing hard times, and we’re not likely to escape this cycle before seeing it through to its chaotic, bloody end. Then hard times will usher the return of the masculine and feminine polarities and sex-based virtues in Stage 4, when our Western Civ is restored to its former glory…..or ultimately destroyed to make way for a worthy inheritor.
Yes, German women for centuries lived by the mantra of kinder, kirche, kuche. Translated as children, church, kitchen with kitchen being a happy home.
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Yaaaaaaawwwnn.
Yeah we knew that. kinder, kirche, kuche is good
feminism is baaad.
“destroyed to make way for a worthy inheritor.” Shree Rajneesh?
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Not as amazing as the times, but close enough in my opinion, is this unquestioned assumption that it’s a true “cycle” on par with the tides and seasons — and as if those things themselves were not threatened by collective human interference. There’s an obvious therapeutic angle in believing that we just have to wait around long enough for history, which is suddenly a benevolent god, to give us a greater share of glory than the great majority of our ancestors ever had. No one wants to think this is the end, even if conditions could not point more firmly in that direction.
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First, allow me a little grammarnazism.
It’s Kuchen.
‘Kuche’ is Hessian slang.
Anyway, what centuries might that be ?
For most of the centuries there has been an entity we might call ‘Germany’ it was known as the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ (some lofty name, eh ?) – which did NOT include Rome, btw – and was really only a theoretical construct consisting of a few hundred mini-states, principalities, city states and such.
Feudal oppression was the norm – as in the rest of Europa – wars of various sizes frequent.
The occasional peasant rebellion to quell boredom.
A constant struggle for supremacy among all the elector counts who got together every once in a while to decide which half crazy Habsburg (with a ‘b’, not a ‘p’) unclebr0thercous1n was going to be the next Emperor.
The 17th century being particularly bucolic, because yousee, those Europeans United By Chr1st1anity just couldn’t decide which version of that wonderful Jew1sh desert cult was better, so they had to sl@ught3r one another, to the tune of 1/3 of the population of ‘Germany’ ending up with the earth worms.
Including many ch1ldren.
Not much time for Kuchen, either, too many musket balls flying around.
Too many milk m@1ds and farmer’s daughters g@ngr@p3d by marauding soldiers.
Kinda like today, or soon.
That image many here like to hold up of the stalwart Cuckstian bastion of 1950s-and-before Whiteopia was a very shortl1ved illusion.
Sorry you swallowed that bull whole, time to admit you got duped and duped good.
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Allow me to Nazi the grammar Nazi.
Nope.
“Kinder, Kirche, Küche” is how the maxim goes. Children, Church, Kitchen, as the original poster stated..
Küche is the singular, Küchen the plural.
/Just to keep the record straight rape!
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Küche means kitchen.
Küchen is the plural.
Kuchen means cake, both singular and plural.
And Kuche is still Hessian slang.
Time to add a German course, dictionary and grammar to your extensive collection of Yiddish ones.
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Tacitus wrote in the early 2nd century AD, long before Christianity had became prevalent in Rome, much less in Germany. His observations are reflective of an Indo-European (Aryan) culture that predated his time by several thousand years, and influenced the institutions of Greece and Rome as well as the so-called “barbarians”. One of the reasons that Christianity was eventually successful in Nordic lands is that it accorded well with the preexisting cultural mores, particularly those centering on female sexual morality.
Hate on Christianity all you want. I have no dog in that fight. But don’t try to fit a square peg in a round hole. That was Christopher Hitchens’ mistake.
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Greg…i think Wolfie is East German 🙂
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Küche is singular.
One church, one kitchen, many children.
You were wrong.
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Ich dachte du wärst Deutscher. 😊
Für mich gehts Sprichwort so: Kinder, Küche, Kemenate.
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Which is what I just said. Duh on you.
And cake, in this context, has to do with what? Or did you miss that it’s not easy to dig out the umlaut on a keyboard, so the original poster and jones didn’t bother with it?
Point is, the time-honored expression “Children, Church, and Kitchen” is what’s in play.
Again, Duh on you.
Time to add a German course, dictionary and grammar to your extensive collection of Yiddish ones.
Or you could just learn to admit when you’re wrong, instead of trying to snark your way out of it.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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I’ve known fort a long time that you’re just a pompous, self-righteous blowhard, but your desperate attempts to ‘win’ every cyber argument, even if you don’t even know the subject is truly astounding.
It’s very easy to ‘dig out’ the Umlaut on the keyboard (ALT + 129) and it does make a big difference in this case.
Again, for Alzheimer’s patients:
Küche = kitchen
Kuchen = cake (the cake women are supposed to be baking…..duh…..)
Kuche = Hessian/Alemannian slang for Kuchen.
You’ve been shaikin your (((haid))) entirely too often, it’s done damage.
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At least in the west, it has been kinder, kirche, Kuche, kinda like, “ich bin ein Berliner”. Expression even has a Wikipedia page which traces it back, wait for it, centuries.
in any event, there’s going to be a number of big social relationships redefined in the next decade or two.
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Tarl, Christianity was successful in the nordic lands because not only they kept their gods too for a while, but they largely became Christians to steal land, enslave non Christians etc. Only an imbecile would read history and not figure this out.
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Chr1st1anity as practiced by the hugely overwhelming majority of people in the west is really Paganism with a thin J3w1sh veneer.
Every church ever built in Europe stands on sacred Pagan ground, every ‘Chr1st1an’ holiday or saint is a Pagan one, slightly renamed and restyled, etc. etc. etc.
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“…that wonderful Jew1sh desert cult” being your description of Islam? (No other answer fits.) I protest this blasphemy in the name of the Prophet Mahomet (blessed be his name!)
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J3wish desert cults, all more or less derived from the original Persian desert cult of Zoroastrianism, in order of appearance: Jud@ism, Mithraism, Cuckstianity, Islam.
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Great-Grandtroll Eliot insists on insisting that he knows a language better than a native speaker.
The defense rests.
Fool yourself all you want.
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Largely, eh?
Only an imbecile would make that sort of statement… or a usual suspect shill who carries some heavy water for the Synathedral. Tough to tell the difference around here, especially lately.
With (ahem) alt-R allies like you and that clown wolfenstein, well… add another chapter to the ever-growing tome This Is Why We Lose…
… and another step in the funeral march of the West. 😡
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Well-said, Tarl… and I believe we covered this pretty extensively a few threads ago.
And according to pattern, the antiChristian usual suspects just keep coming back with more of the same bullshit, like each new day brings the opportunity to ignore what’s been said in the past, and onward with the same ol’, lame ol’ shilling and sophomoric claptrap, as if it hadn’t already been gainsaid innumerable times.
But what can one expect from clowns who think Christians bring their kids to church so they can eat cake?
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There’s no discourse with tradcon SJW Greg Eliot.
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‘Great-Grandtroll Eliot insists on insisting that he knows a language better than a native speaker.’
If I spoke Korean, I would NEVER argue with a Korean man about the Korean language. That’s bonkers.
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Clue for the clueless… this isn’t about cake… it’s about the expression Children, Church, Kitchen.
Nobody’s arguing language or that kuchen doesn’t mean cake.
The argument is about wolfenstein not being clever enough to suss that the original poster obviously meant küche, not kuche or kuchen, before he jumped in with his mistaken correction of the phrase.
Said poster (and jones after him) merely typed kuche because, like most folks, they don’t really know how to do the umlaut on a keyboard.
Are you folks THIS dim? No, of course, not… you’re just being petulant.
I would have thought the point at hand was obvious… at least one other poster, Redone, did pick up on it… so I know I’m not in bizarro-world here.
And who the fuck is this third man in now, this Vae Victus? The use of the word tradcon smells suspiciously gefiltery, like the erstwhile (((pooty))), go figger. That’s right, schmuck, there’s no discourse when one side is obviously wrong and doesn’t want to admit it, so they steer the argument towards something that has nothing to do with the point.
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Well, DUH! No-bones adds to the squid ink, go figger.
Wanna settle the argument, since even you yourself typed the phrase, and I quote:
So, jonesy, here’s the opportunity to end the discussion on an accurate note.
Did you mean children, church, cake?
Or did you, like the poster which you were addressing, just miss putting in the umlaut and actually meant the word for kitchen?
The defense seems to have rested on a weak hand. Now’s the time to dissuade the jury of any misconceptions.
But I think we all know the answer already.
Note for the future: any of youse yeggs don’t want to admit you’re wrong on something so damn obvious, you’re gonna get worn out.
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Ya fuckin’ big retawd
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“If I spoke Korean, I would NEVER argue with a Korean man about the Korean language. That’s bonkers.”
It’s the exact opposite. Native speakers are the only ones who ever get these things wrong: non-natives either know the “correct” phrase, or don’t know it at all.
To give examples in English: non-natives never accidentally say “should of gone” or “deep-seeded resentment”. They either learned “should have” and “deep-seated”, or they never learned it. Only a native would mis-type a phrase he had mis-heard or misunderstood.
And when the “mistaken” phrase still makes reasonably good enough sense, as “deep-seeded” does, or as “Kuchen” does (“cakes” are almost as fitting as “kitchen”), it can become a genuine variant of the original phrase.
If I visit Wolfie’s part of Germany and people there are saying Kinder, Kirche, und Kuchen,” I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong, but back in high school I learned the one with “Küche”.
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Kriegswut auspacken Wolfie!
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Guys guys … stop arguing over a DEAD LANGUAGE!
Hey-ooo
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CO – what’s your view on Trump’s treatment by them?
The MSM which includes evil scum like Ch@rles L@ne and Richard W#lffe are trying to destroy them?
Yet he has lawyers and family from the tribe and even visited their wailing wall.
A civil war in the tribe?
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L, as on the previous thread, it’s clear that fundamentalist jewish chauvinists like Dershowitz are he11-bent on keeping Kushner in the White house for Kushner’s influence on Israel policy.
[Recall that Dershowitz was a visitor to Jeffrey Epstein’s Shiksa S3x Sl@ve Island, so don’t assume that caring about the survival of Israel is in any way incompatible with Ashkepathic Nihilism when it comes to the survival of the Shkotzim.]
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And the Mossad is probably getting daily briefings on foreign/military policy from Kushner’s peeps, and daily briefings on fiscal/economic policy from Mnuchin’s peeps.
They certainly wouldn’t want that flow of information to be interrupted in a hypothetical Pence [or Clinton/Biden] administration.
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yet you still support Trump who appointed these 2 (((assholes)))
and not only these 2
consequently every single foreign policy move (((the administration))) made so far was solely done for the interests of (((our greatest ally)))
MIGA
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Trump is walking a high-wire act between the twin towers of the World Trade Center, with jewish snipers trying to nail him from their positions on the ground and their sh!tlib antifa trying to drive jet aircraft into him.
No one has ever tried to do what Trump is attempting.
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their sh!tlib antifa PUPPETS trying to drive jet aircraft into him
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“And the Mossad is probably getting daily briefings on foreign/military policy from Kushner’s peeps”
Kushner’s peeps? They would be following behind McCain’s embedded Mozzie detail… Or Schumer’s… Lolz
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The real question… can we reign in the technolgies that have made the 6 sirens triumphant? What will that look like?
[CH: i doubt it. to reverse modern reproductive tech would require an authoritarian control of the culture that won’t happen without massive bloodshed. this thing has to play out to the end, whatever it is.]
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Men were asking that two-hundred years ago.
If we couldn’t control the technology of that age, what proof is there that we can control modern technology?
Imagine how offended medieval Italians were at the first clock towers: who the fuck are you to put the time over my head?
[CH: the pill is a qualitatively different tech interference than other tech advances. it’s the only tech that actively and directly interferes with the darwinian imperative.]
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though people often used to kill babies they didn’t want, a woman still had to go through childbirth in order to do that.
the pill removed the consequences of hypergamy, ie. the social shaming of an illicit pregnancy, and the life-or-death consequences of giving birth.
if there are still historians a hundred years from now, the advent of birth control will be considered the darwinian Gettysburg in the battle between the patriarchy and the gynarchy. whether or not it turned out well will depend on who the victor is.
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Since contraceptives are a gigantic evolutionary bottleneck, we’re breeding the answer right now.
Enthusiastic practitioners of contraceptive methods get exactly what they aim for: a few designer trophy kids, or no children at all. Meanwhile, those who eschew contraceptives usually get exactly what they aim for: a pile of children. The contraceptive-friendly genetics are weeded quite effectively. Funny that the eugenics mentality results in the elimination of those intrinsically friendly to it.
The future belongs to those who show up.
Contraceptives don’t interfere with the Darwinian imperative. They enforce it. Just over a timescale we aren’t used to thinking in.
[CH: fair correction. selection never dies, it just adapts to environmental circumstances.]
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Here, for a nice intro:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5501565/extinction-events-that-almost-wiped-out-humans
This is the mechanism by which the human race will be administered the enema of Biomechanical Reality.
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“Contraceptives don’t interfere with the Darwinian imperative. They enforce it.”
interesting point. contraception as force multiplier.
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“Contraceptives don’t interfere with the Darwinian imperative. They enforce it. Just over a timescale we aren’t used to thinking in”
“The future belongs to those who show up.”
Aren’t these statements contradictory? If the effect of contraception is to limit “those who show up”, doesn’t dysgenic Africa have the advantage? Barring, of course, Malthusian options.
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“[CH: the pill is a qualitatively different tech interference than other tech advances. it’s the only tech that actively and directly interferes with the darwinian imperative.]”
Indeed, this only strengthens my argument. There’s no evidence, and no argument advanced that I’ve ever seen, that any of this is corrigible. Only vague optimistic appeals on the order of the Enlightenment idealists and neurotic TED talk Jewesses.
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“Contraceptives don’t interfere with the Darwinian imperative. They enforce it. Just over a timescale we aren’t used to thinking in.”
Interesting point.
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“the pill is a qualitatively different tech interference than other tech advances. it’s the only tech that actively and directly interferes with the darwinian imperative”
“Contraceptives don’t interfere with the Darwinian imperative. They enforce it. Just over a timescale we aren’t used to thinking in.”
“fair correction. selection never dies, it just adapts to environmental circumstances.”
However there is now technology that perhaps may hold promise for directly interfering with the Darwinian imperative:
Does this spell a future domestication of the domesticators (humans)?, or something else? If it is a ‘yea’ to the domestication viewpoint, well then ….. does said project change Darwinian dictates so fundamentally, that it is akin to a phase-shift, an actual supersession of the Darwinian imperative? How will this turn out? Like Gattaca? Something rather recursive about said endeavor – eh? Is said recursivity a necessary contingent of strong emergence?, and if so, shall that be sufficient to force such? A bit if a mindfuck – eh?
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The answer lies not in reigning in the tech underpinning the 6 Sirens, but in mastering the tech that subverts them.
Behold, The Three Noble Shivs of The Reconquest:
1. The Internet – The revolution will not be televised, but it will be streamed. Not since the printing press and movable type has there been such a massive increase in the ability of like minded men to gather and organize effective opposition. The folks consolidating and controlling the MSM thought they had an unassailable death grip on the minds of the masses. Not anymore. The Internet gives us the ability to take the bully pulpit for realtalk and more powerfully, to make culture as we see fit.
2. Genetics – The God of Biomechanics is actually a trinity, and genetics plays the role of Holy Ghost. Genetics lays bare the lies of equalist blank-slate-ism for all to see. Genetics lets us know who we are and it lets us see our cryptid adversaries for who and what they really are. What’s more, genetic engineering provides (especially CRISPR) a way of identifying, isolating, and cutting out the cancers and defects out, once and for all.
3. Frustration – Fire is among the first of all technologies, and perhaps the oldest fire is that which has always burned in the hearts of men. Our enemies work tirelessly to grind us down, unwittingly creating oceans of a combustible byproduct smoldering in the hearts of young and old, waiting for a chance to escape and run wild. Yes, that byproduct, that black gold in the heart, born of the twin flames of love and hate, is Frustration. The slow, indolent, flicker of Frustration can grow, with the fuel of purpose and the air of knowledge, into the blazing torrent of Righteous Indignation. Trump caught a small portion of that vast stockpile, and with it, powered a run to the very seat of the Empire, despite a maelstrom of opposition. There is more than enough Frustration running deep in this land, and our aim is to provide the knowledge and purpose it needs burn out the rot with the white hot (heh), cleansing gleam of Righteous Indignation.
Do you see a man, perhaps like yourself, frustrated and unable to act? Unaware of how he came to his plight?
There, he sits and asks:
“Why is there nothing good on TV?”
“Why can’t I get a date?”
“Why did they move the plant to China?”
“Why did my wife leave with the kids?”
“Why does my mortgage cost so much?”
“Why does my daughter hate me?”
“Why is my son so weak?”
“Why are these clowns so rich?”
Tell him. Tell him why. Let him know whose machinations power the engine of his misery. Point him in the right direction. Put him on the right path. Harness the energy in his heart, for his benefit and the benefit of all we hold dear. Never fall silent. Never fear to point out the truth. Never miss an opportunity.
Grab the Three Noble Shivs and thrust them into the darkness of ignorance.
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Fully agree, except the genetic engineering.
That’s a VERY slippery slope with a bottomless toxic swamp waiting at the bottom.
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Ollie’s Noble Shivs
Hold the fire of truth, mostly —
Worth Heartiste poasting?
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Heart!ste — can it be
That the Three Noble Sh!vs of Ollie
Are worth a full poast?
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Ironsides, I appreciate the compliment, but the inspiration for yesterday’s effortpost is really just the insight I’ve gained from my time here at the Chateau. It was written as a sort of homage to the 16 commandments, if you will. (An aside to the host himself: if you find anything worthwhile in what I wrote, by all means take it and run with it).
Honestly, all I really care about here is getting the word out and getting our people awake. Everybody posting here in good faith knows exactly what is going on. I just wanted to remind them that the have a duty and imperative to pass that knowledge on. I also wanted to drop a nice Huwhyte pill in the fact that we have all we need to win available right now – we just have to put it to use.
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Always a treat to see so many Heartiste comments. I am responding to those.
“To reverse modern reproductive tech [is impossible].” — H.
Me, Xwarper: No. There are two conceivable ways to do this (more are no doubt possible), one being medium hard, the other hard. The easiest way is to influence the market at its supply base, the pharmaceutical companies, by, for example, making an OPEC of b/c pill raw materials. Price them up to price the female buyer out of the market. The second, much harder way, is cultural sanctions against their use. It is consistently underestimated how vulnerable girls are to peer pressure. They are, in a word, sheep. I leave it up to other commentators to imagine how to make the sheep be herded.
“[The pill] is the only tech that actively and directly interferes with the Darwinian impulse” — H
Me: Yes and no. Women still screw up taking the pill and get knocked up (true) and they’re choosing handsome, virile, often smart guys to feel the dribble of cum down their leg. You could argue that in a larger sense, the pill leads to more considered decisions, and less spur-of-the-moment passion. But you’re right that there must be some natural selection distortions going on.
P.S. Like to give congrats to the readers actually talking to Heartiste directly by name and not just using his material as an excuse for mental masturbation. He is a real person, you know.
— xwarper.wordpress.com
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This is why the degenerate sluts are currently so obsessed and paranoid about the far-fetched vision presented in the Handmaid’s Tale. Nothing short of an revolution and an authoritarian theocracy would have the will or the power to reverse the progress that have endowed feminists with all their sacred selfish sacraments: contraception, abortion, consumerism, college-life, partying, career ambition, world travel and adventure.
It also helps that they cast an actress who embodies THE current reigning feminist archetype along with exhibiting the very ordinary shallow characteristics that reflect the ordinary shallow selves they occupy. Everything they hold dear is here. Instead of a truly strong and courageous heroine who challenges & inspires the public, they prefer to look at an insipid specimen of unimpressive spirit with zero sex-appeal that won’t make the viewers feel too bad and inferior. Presenting a fantasy of an ordinary unspectacular specimen with an ordinary unspectacular mind empowered merely by a bit of sass (but probably more than a dash of spunk) who becomes ennobled in a heroic call to glory from her plight of suffering distracts the public by fueling idle but destructively unrealistic dreams. The solipsistic darlings among the viewing public can best identify the ordinary and unthreatening to be able to imagine a fantasy of their own suffering as some secret noble heroic that finally gives illusory meaning to the pathetic empty first-world problems that burden them.
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Those that have children will shape the trends of the future, especially if they actively educate children in the correct culture and social habits to restore white national western civilization, something that Boomers utterly failed to do.
So, as has been said many times here: White Bunz -> White Ovens, 3+, and homeschool or die.
Don’t cry that such a thing is too hard. Display adaptability and get the fucking job underway.
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CH, you should check out J.D. Unwin
According to Professor Unwin, who was influenced by Freud, it is the “limitation of sexual opportunity” which creates the “mental energy” necessary to build a civilization.
He backs this up with exhaustive examples of the historical cycle he proposes. The cycle goes as follows: in a primitive society, people take their pleasure at whim, without commitment or limits. Then the practice of monogamous marriage, including premarital chastity, is instituted. (How he believes this first arises would take far too long to summarize here; read the book!) The sexual repression required for this chastity and fidelity increases the “mental energy” and the inner strength of those who practice it, enabling them to embark on long-term projects such as monumental architecture, agriculture, and conquest. In this early stage, men have enormous power over their wives and children, even when the children have grown up.
The “sexual opportunity” of women is always, of necessity, more limited than that of men in a civilized society, and this has a powerful effect, according to Unwin; they convey this repression and its benefits to their children. Indeed, he blames the decline of feudalism on its habit of putting its “best” women into convents to live as nuns – it is true that for a woman with intellectual aspirations, a convent was her only real option – instead of having them bear children to whom they could convey their “mental energy”.
Unwin also criticizes polygamous societies; the easy “sexual opportunity” it affords men limits the “mental energy”. He says, “That is why, I submit, the Moors in Spain achieved such a high culture. Their fathers were born into a polygamous tradition; but their mothers were the daughters of Christians and Jews, and had spent their early years in an absolutely monogamous environment. The sons of these women laid the foundations of rationalistic culture; but soon the supply of Christian and Jewish women was insufficient, so the incipient rationalism failed to mature greatly.”
It always begins with the ruling class, the aristocracy, being the most chaste and monogamous. As they grow decadent after a few generations, the “middle class” (not necessarily in our modern understanding of it) is just getting the hang of it, having aped it from their betters, and they acquire more power in the society.
In time, however, the strict monogamy loosens. Unwin speculates that the extreme power the builders of civilizations have over their wives and children is unbearable to most, and the decrease of this power is inevitable. Unwin’s attention is more on the monogamy than on the legal position of women, but the two seem to march hand in hand. “A female emancipating movement is a cultural phenomenon of unfailing regularity; it appears to be the necessary outcome of absolute monogamy. The subsequent loss of social energy after the emancipation of women, which is sometimes emphasized, has been due not to the emancipation but to the extension of sexual opportunity which has always accompanied it. In human records there is no instance of female emancipation which has not been accompanied by an extension of sexual opportunity.”
Indeed, as sexual opportunity becomes easier – which always takes place in concert with female emancipation – the society’s mental energy weakens, it cannot continue to invent things or maintain what it has, and in a few generations it is easily conquered by a robust monogamous patriarchy, which is fairly bursting with the mental energy of repressed sexuality.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sex-Culture-J-D-Unwin/dp/B000K7AQFC
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Damn fine comment.
How convents affected feudal culture, now that’s a thought project.
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Shit, I take it back. You just copied a user review for the book on Amazon, from 2008. Even if you wrote that review, way back in 2008, I still think I was cheated out of a compliment.
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Speaking of long-ass comments that are irritating, where’s SorceryGod been lately? I miss that lunatic.
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He’s posting as Divine Son of Codreanu now.
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“the extreme power the builders of civilizations have over their wives and children is unbearable to most, and the decrease of this power is inevitable”
fascinating. and yes, women were not happy with Beta Male Patriarchy 1.0, which is why their pent-up sexuality was such a low-hanging fruit for the Frankfurt School civilization wreckers.
[CH: the parasite can’t infect and kill a strong host with a working immune system.]
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it is immaterial if they were happy or not but since you at it they were certainly more happier than today
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The thing is that contraceptives have existed at least since the middle ages. Sure, they didn’t work as well as ours, but (perhaps most importantly), the women using them *thought* they did. Thus, promiscuity based on the premise of reproduction-free (or virtually so) sex came and went with the tides of collective morality. In Continental Europe, the 14th and 15th centuries were very promiscuous–while the 16th and 17th were not. The 18th century was much more permissive than the 19th, and so on.
But the main CH tenet of course still stands.
[CH: rudimentary contraceptive tech has been around for a long time, but nothing in the past compares to the cheapness, availability, and effectiveness of the modern Pill. the impact of the pill (and to a lesser extent the latex condom) on the sexual market that we have today is something new and dangerous. i doubt very much female perception of consequence-free sex was very widespread or deeply felt in the times before the pill, latex condom and penicillin.]
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Not to discount the hormonal and behavioral changes the Pill induces. Everything from messing women up even more so, to them choosing the wrong partners, having sickly children, etc. . .
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Barbaresco makes a good point.
The ultra-buttonuppedness that is often help up as the ‘the way it’s always been’ by the hopelessly outdated and clueless really only started right after the Napoleonic wars and came crashing down in …drumroll….yes, you all knew it – the 1960s.
It is certainly true that The Pill was one H U G E gamechanger, an allegedly ‘safe’ and usually VERY effective contraceptive is something that had never existed before.
The fact that this CHEMICAL DRUG has some very nasty side effects on not only individual bodies but societies and even the whole ecosystem has only very recently been coming to light.
Better living through chemicals my f_ck1ng a$$.
To the above sirens of the slutocalypse I might add that Generation X is the first generation of White men who have to compete for White women not only with other White men, but with THE ENTIRE PLANET.
Isolated cases of mud- , sand- or other sharkery may have occurred before, but it wasn’t a widespread (heh), systemic, daily problem everywhere.
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The Pill is a qualitative game changer, equivalent in every respect to the mastery of fire or the invention of farming. We have not yet begun to understand it’s implications.
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“We have not yet begun to understand it’s implications.”
I think we have plenty of observable data to understand it’s effects and draw conclusions. Maybe not all of them, but certainly many.
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I think I’ve been blocked on here before, but probably someone is going to read this. The premise of this article is exactly where I was going. You need to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior.
Unfortunately, I disagree on one point: “Hard times bring dads and damsels”. I don’t believe the problem will naturally sort itself out (anymore). There are a lot of reasons for this, but the main issue is that our culture has been trapped. We don’t have at our disposal war (which is the sorting tool of choice), reproduction as a weapon (for socio-economic reasons, as well as birth control as a choice) and many other factors.
There is no waiting for this to sort itself out. What you can do right now is plan on winning battles, not wars. Consider virginity as a precious resource and develop a plan to guard that resource. Do the best you can with reasonably stable marriages. Support systems that promote your agenda and destroy those that hurt it.
A people can survive hard times, but we historically forget that those who didn’t make a concentrated effort to do so didn’t make it. You have to survive the hard times to make it to where you can fight back. It’s not as though a functioning family unit is necessarily going to be an available option in the future. For whatever reason, we have it as an option now, but it would be a very difficult thing to restore.
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We do have war at our disposal.
The problem is that the battle lines will be VERY confused in this war, since our governments belong to the enemy, a good third or so of our pol1ce and m1l1tary do, too, and even our otherwise fairly normal next door neighbors might think of us as the enemy.
Propaganda has been LONG and GOOD.
It’s going to be Mad Max times 1 billion.
As an aside, I’m not sure I believe in the existence of ‘damsels’ anymore.
At ANY time.
[CH: there have undoubtedly been periods in western civ when women were more or less chaste.]
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Damsels exist even today, they’re just kept secret in the last remaining pockets of civilized white humanity. I was a traveling consultant with an engineering firm, did a lot of work with rural electric companies. You could tell immediately when you were in a good white village because the women dressed conservatively and weren’t running around with boys. The family formation happened in their teens and the word “divorce,” still carried a heap of baggage. This I witnessed all over the South and Mid-Atlantic for decades. I’ve only been retired for ~7 years now, but I assume these little pockets still exist owing to the fact the little place I retired to in the mountains is just like that.
The only bad news to report on that front is that such people are middle-class at-best and these burgs aren’t going to become epicenters of a new republic due to their geography (most of them are in the hills or the plains). So if a play is made to save the West as whole or America in particular, people elsewhere are going to have to start emulating these folks.
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The towns I travel to in Arizona from my awful blue coastel state I was blown away by hot young white women with kids. You just don’t see this by me.
I always eat at Cracker Barrels..the staff are usually white young and pretty and you see attractive families eat there.
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I have gotten a few numbers from CB waitresses across these fruity plains.
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I’ve always taken the stance that I’m not very aware of how strong the male sex drive is, so I’m open-minded about it. I understand if guys are having casual sex until they’re married, even if it’s not ideal. But there are pockets of good women, it’s just difficult finding and meeting them. I know chaste single women, but I have no idea how I would tell someone else to meet them. It makes sense to have non-committal sex with “friends”, until you meet someone who’s worth marrying, as a guy, if that’s what you need. I don’t see the point in entering a sexual “relationship” with a woman that will limit a man’s courtship options.
The only thing I can think of is stay away from very liberal areas and areas with an extremely high single male-to-female ratio. If you type “Jonathan Soma, male to female ratio” into Google, you can get a map with a realistic age-range of singles in cities. The good thing about cities is there’s less of a chance of losing face within those types of conservative circles, because it’s not a small town environment. If you move to an urban area or a small urban area with more conservative values and less men, you’re probably doing alright.
If you live in a given city in California, I calculate about a 50% chance of marrying. For every 1000 single women, they have about 1200 single men. I also estimate that 25% of liberal single women will just never marry. So now, the ratio is something like 750 single women to 1200 single men, making it almost 2 to 1 male to female. And then the choices are used-up liberal women.
If you move to a place like Des Moines, which I assume to have conservative values, the ratio of single women to men is 1000 to 1020. I estimate that about 10-15% of single conservative women will never marry. That makes the ratio about, let’s say, 870 to 1020. So, you have a 1 in 7 chance of not getting married, and the quality of women is higher. You just have to have more game than the bottom 1/7th of men.
There are even some places where women almost ALWAYS marry, and this is something to keep in mind. In a place like Holland, MI, (pop. 80k>), there’s a lot of social pressure on women to marry. So, let’s say 5% of them will never marry (the saddest of the sad). So, you have a starting ratio of 1000 to 1060, and it works out to being more like 950 to 1060, or a 1/10 chance that a man will never marry. 90% will marry. The quality of women is hit or miss, but there’s a very high likelihood of getting a good one, and a good possibility of remarriage if the first one is a dud.
So, where you live makes a huge difference. You simply aren’t going to “find” a good girl if SJWs are walking around everywhere. Liberal areas even tend to have more men, who flock there thinking slutty girls = easy sex. Liberal cities just aren’t worth it for men. You definitely won’t find a wife, and you probably won’t be having a remarkable amount of sex.
[CH: the sex is definitely easier to get in the cities, thanks largely to the attraction of cities to sexually open women and the anonymizing nature of dense populations severed from family and community. the main problem with your noble city-draining policy goal is that most of the single, young, fuckable NON-FAT women are in the big shitlib cities. this won’t change as long as alpha males and paper-pushing HR jobs are found in the cities too, and as long as flyover women look like blimps.]
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CH- It would probably help to look at an obesity map and scope out an area before you move there. I was looking at a solution for some guys, not a system that would work for every guy. My concentration is on winning small battles. If you have the option of moving somewhere that will improve your chances of meeting wife material, and that’s what you want, might as well take it.
I’ve lived in areas with gorgeous conservative women and now live in an area with very homely liberal women who are trying to out-mouse each other. Each area has a different expectation level for its women, despite national trends.
I’m actually using a similar process to find a place to live, since socializing with women is how I’ll probably meet a guy. I’d want to move somewhere with similar values and relatively healthy people, because skinny girls and fatties don’t get along.
[CH: yankeeland has a lot of homely liberal women.]
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It’s endlessly sad that we have to arrange our lives this way.
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All the family court judges are Jews.
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Rudyard Kipling wrote about this in his poem, “The gods of the copybook headings”.
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“On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.” “
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What a bleak article, some parts of the red pill are bitter indeed. Where’s that doosh-rod strappy to tell us about his ‘soft harem of hard9s’? I need a good laugh.
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Excellent rephrasing of Spengler’s civilization model.
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Wasn’t Gynarchy some town in Spain that Picasso made a painting out of during some war?
That painting’s crap. Not sure why Picasso always got the love he did.
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His primary proponents are (were and always have been) women. Because, feelz; art is (today and in recent memory) about the artist selling his feelz to the viewer.
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He was Dark Triad personality. Devastated and lonely after the death of Picasso, Jacqueline Roque killed herself by gunshot in 1986 when she was 59 years old.
He joined the communists (but he didn’t give a fuck about politics). You joined a left-wing party because that’s what you did if you were an artist in Paris. Picasso once said in reference to the communists: “I have joined a family, and like all families, it’s full of shit”
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Precisely because his work WAS hideous, and therefore gave expression and concrete form to nihilism. That’s why he got that love.
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first European civil war has left a complete devastation in human souls
we are still shaking I can hear it
that awful aggressive noise damaging my ear drums at each corner of each f*ucking place that is the sound of emptiness that reverberates inside an empty space where the soul used to be
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Guernica. Spanish civil war. Modern art is trash. Some of Picasso’s early paintings are agreeable but, overall, he sucks.
Picasso is the first example of marketing. André Breton, H. Matisse and G. Stein inflated his reputation. Soon, you were considered “cool” if you liked Picasso and “uncool” if you didn’t like him. No one wanted be thought of as “uncool”.
For Picasso, painting was a way to seduce vulnerable young women. He didn’t care about art. All he thought about was sex.
[CH: postmodern abstract art is a farce. literally a ruse.]
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John Fowles, a much respected writer of the mid-twentieth century who seems to have fallen into the memory hole, was one of the first to emperor-no-clothes Picasso in his novel The Ebony Tower.
A professor character in the book constantly referred to him as “Pick Arsehole” and :”Pickbum”.
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Some of Picasso’s early work is actually pretty good. Before he discovered the post-modernist scam. There’s a great SNL skit from the 80s, with Jon Lovitz (highly underrated) as Picasso, literally doodling on napkins and calling them mastepieces.
“It’s a Picasso!”
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But Pablo Picasso never got called asshole.
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‘But Pablo Picasso never got called asshole.’
He was an triumphant alpha jerk. Porfirio Rubirosa could have learned from Pablo.
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Well he was only 5’3″
But girls could not resist his stare
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Perfect.
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+10 You have a modicum of style. Great song.
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Its based on one by Goya. That is what made it famous. Goya is really awesome.
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“The modern West, with America representing the tip of the degenerate spear…”
The tip of the degenerate spear sits on his throne in Rome.
[CH: it looks like he’s sitting on a spear tip in that popephoto.]
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That’s one of ’em.
There are more tips of the same spear in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Istanbul, Mecca, Cairo, Teheran, Islamabad……
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i hear ya, but I wouldn’t call Jerusalem “the west”
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There are some slightly blunter spearheads in Londonabad, Al-Parisi, Berlinöglü, Brussels-al-Abdullah, Stockholmishu……..
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I think Heartiste is closer to the mark than Tarl Cabot. Cabot asserts that “the pill is the smoking gun” for women’s shitty state. But Heartiste accurately points out _feminism_ as the culprit. I would only disagree with him that it’s man-hating — in its dyke upper ranks, sure, but the mass of women don’t hate men. They just use them.
Feminism is the _mindset_ that allows the pill to be used and sluttism to spread wildly and freely. In another world, where women thought that sex should be special, all the free birth control pills in the world spilling from the sky wouldn’t make them spread their legs. It is the mind that dictates action, and selects one pie-slice from a range of available choices. The pie-choice (heh) of the modern-day cock carousel is to be vaginally crammed en route to alpha widowhood before settling with beta schlub #5 (he’s not acceptable but – sigh – okay) and that’s the source of all our problems.
— xwarper.wordpress.com
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Feminism is impossible without abortion and birth control.
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A massive welfare state that supports out of wedlock children played a big role in our decline and helped take the stigma out of illegitimacy.
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I think that in the long run, the discovery of DNA will have a massive effect on sexual relations and human mating. The fact that men can now be 100% certain that a child is theirs will come back to haunt feminism because it will become the force that decouples manly virtues from their wallets.
We are living in a time of excess resources but when day is gone, you can expect that men will not be interested in paying for another man’s child. Single mothers and baby daddies will be relegated to an untouchable caste and their bastards will carry water for the rest of society, including the beta losers. Just shut off the EBT cards and watch things change overnight.
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Too bad that’s not the societal norm in America rn… Heck sl00ts are nigh near praised now
We know the solutions, but we’re having a tough time implementing them without the aforementioned bloodshed. Push a man hard enough… well last time that happened, the Americans wrote a long letter denouncing the king before taking up arms.
Question is, are there going to be enough patriarchical privileged white men who join those ranks to fight and die for their sons and daughters? Or are these smartphones, video games, w33d, and p0cket pv55ies just too damn comfortable? “I’ll let the other guys fight as long as I have my internets.”
On top of that, the invaders breed like rats and get free gubmints
Can 1 man fight 10 Snackbars? 100?
Gotta start forming another country with very strict borders… keep (((them))) and their degenerates out
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We’re about to restructure the banking system and collapse the economy to do it. EBT will be along distant memory in about five years. Imagine polite negroes. Its easy if you try…
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I hope you are right…
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Jerusalem is as western as our civilization is Jude-Christian
which means not at all
Athens or Jerusalem has always been one of the crucial questions of our civilization today more than ever
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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The coming gynarchy is, overall, the reason The Future (both its good and bad versions) is likely cancelled. When I grew up we were all afraid of The Future and yet excited about it too. Who would control the off-world colonies? The asteroid mines? The fusion reactors and life-extension drugs? Would it be “good” people who believed in freedom, truth, mom, apple pie, and Murrika? Or bad cyborg-commies enforcing their dystopian global police state?
Actually it just looks to me now that the world in about 2117 will just resemble a bad parody of say 1977 but with some of the technology we use today still around but malfunctioning and falling apart. In addition to the Idiocracy-like dysgenics often discussed here there’s just the sheer hopelessness and numbness that any remaining smart young men will feel when contemplating the future. Why study physics or calculus when you just get a life serving in the cubicle farms of Gyncorp Industries and have 70% of the money you make there taken in taxes to pay for young sluts to study Herstory on the government dime? The society will run out of motivational fossil fuel long before it runs out of the usual kind or the mean IQ drops to room temp*.
Few people by the end of this century will still be smart enough or motivated enough to maintain any of our shit. Ordinary computers like the one I’m using now will be worth millions if they still work because few will still know how to make new ones. They won’t be doing that though because the chip fabs will have long since been looted for scrap metal by low-IQ mobs hopped up on EBT malt liquor.
As for asteroid mines and space colonies, well I imagine the entire “space program” of the remaining world powers will be a few old scientists employed to maintain a semi-credible nuclear threat for anyone thinking of going rogue and breaking out of this pattern. Life extension drugs? Well maybe roving gangs engaging in gunfights over freezers full of antibiotics that no one can manufacture anymore.
The wild card, as I see it is the East. Basically China and her satellites (probably including Russia) will be the places to which a masculine love of excellence, civility, achievement, and reason will retreat. The degree to which they resist (((Westernization))) will likely determine the entire course of the human future if there is to be one. The West and the dominant White race(s), barring some historical deus ex machina, some black swan, some (Trump?) card, is finished.
* A personal anecdote on this theme: I’ve recently been trying to cobble together a few part-time jobs to make ends meet. I finally got two good prospects for some low wage but not too stressful work. It took both of them 6 weeks to get from agreeing to interview me to making an offer, never mind paying me. HR and its team of ditzes (whose sex I will leave to the reader to guess) has been the sand in the gears in both places. In fact I just found out a few days ago that they fucked up one of the jobs entirely so I won’t be hired there after all. These are the kind of jobs where they would often have you starting the same day you interviewed 20 years ago. It’s enough to make you just want to say “fuck all this, I’m playing X-box the rest of my life”.
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Hang in there, man.
And open on every chick you cross paths with.
If you can channel the ZFG into a productive use, then it will make your attitude catnip to the pussies.
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Idiocracy. The question is can we survive, as a species, long enough to get off this rock? Or is intelligence (IQ 80) self-annihilating? When Zimbabwe (just to pick a nation out of a hat) gets the bomb, does our survival rate drop to zero? These are the thoughts that keep me up at night.
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You don’t need Zimbabwe, you already have Ysrael for that…. and when they decide to pull a Samson on the world. They are that fucked up.
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I don’t think Russia or China (???) are the fabled White Homelands of Masculinity they are often portrayed as on this blog.
Russia is heavily muz and ((())), there’s sh1ttons of cr1me and gang activity, corruption is at South American levels and diseases are rampant, life expectancy miserable.
If we’re gonna save anything, we HAVE TO save Western Europe, North America and Oz.
I’m afraid your vision of the future is probably pretty close, but for the present, I’d suggest to NOT play X-Box, but rather make your own work.
Do landscaping, wash cars, heck, walk people’s dogs if you have to.
If no one will hire you, hire yourself.
If this isn’t possible in your location, move somewhere where you can pick up some low-stress jobs as a dishwasher or pamphlet dispenser and use the rest of your time for something useful, like martial arts, f1r3arms training, parkour, edible plant lore or other skills that will come in handy in the coming MadMaxocalypse.
How much money you make will be kind of irrelevant, you can’t eat or drink money and you can’t make warm clothes out of money, nor can you use it to defend yourself from 37 dindus or Moroccans.
And yes, hit on as many (attractive) chicks as possible.
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Hanging one’s hopes on a deus ex machina is a bad idea — esp as such things tend to be for the worse, in the short or long term.
Ex: “green revolution “. Fed billions — and created more billions to feed. Population surplus in decades, the foundation of our problem.
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Does anyone else think Seeking Arrangements has unmasked everyone’s real desire and will cause the entire system to come crashing down in a few years?
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Perhaps. My experience is that millennial girls have nothing but contempt for their contemporaries. When I was younger, I hated guys like me.
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“millennial girls have nothing but contempt for their contemporaries”
Which was one of the primary purposes of The War Against Boyz.
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I have nothing but contempt for most Millennial boys myself. The girls are just being girls but they need a lot of work too.
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This was from a 1963 movie.
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Off-topic, but… Stick it, Tossoff! (Pajama boys suck.)
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a lots of weapons of mass degeneration there
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-20/mccain-institute-donors-look-disturbingly-similar-clinton-foundation-soros-teneo-sau
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Th solution to our problems is obvious and easy to implement.
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To many here, I am probably stating the bleeding obvious … but it has to be said that the proportion of Western women that qualify as genuinely worthy of marriage has crashed to an all-time low.
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Heartiste you are leaving the hormonal effects of BC. I have a theory that so many women are fat and angry because their bodies believe they are permanently pregnant but they never pop out a child.
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Stupid automod
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Tell us how you really feel…
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I’ll assume Michigan airport stabber is black or brown since MSM won’t say.
Media, we know. You are a joke.
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Advertisers vow to “stamp out sexism” in ads — as if they haven’t been doing it for years.
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Shitlord handcuffed for telling a diversity floozy she looks like a mom.
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It will be bloody, but glorious.
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