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The Broken Culture That Breeds Mass Murderers

February 22, 2018 by CH

There are two very good articles about our changing cultural conditions which are helping to breed mentally deranged school shooting mass murderers like de Jesus Cruz. Both come at the problem from different angles, but provide equally compelling explanations in my view, so I’ve included each in this post.

The first is a Quora post by Jon Davis, a Marine Corps weapons instructor. His basic thesis is that school shooters are the inevitable detritus of a “victimhood culture”.

People hate generalizations, but here you have a fairly undeniable one. School shootings regularly are perpetrated by almost exclusively males, either boys or young men, who have had severe socialization problems. I’m not even aware of a single female shooter in the lot. Following Columbine, schools began implementing “anti-bullying” campaigns, attempting to target everyday violence and general mean behavior among kids. Did that solve anything? Anything at all?

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The problem with being at the bottom is that there are many barriers to prevent you from exiting it, but few to climb back up. There simply aren’t many ways to overcome your oppressors. Fighting my bully was how I did it. This was how I was able to right my situation.

Does it sound extreme? Well, not so much if you were born before the 1980’s. And if you were born after, it probably sounds barbaric. After three years as a teacher, I saw a culture that acts very foreign from my own. Almost no one gets into fights. At first, I thought this was a good thing, but then I started seeing what was missing. The boys are almost completely incapable of competing academically besides the very few with parents who are very motivated, mostly teachers themselves. They lack motivation and a sense of purpose or meaning. Obviously there is more going on then a lack of the schoolyard tumble, but that seemed to be part of it. I found that many longed for the presence of an authoritative male figure. With two Iraq deployments under my belt, I fit the mold. I was surprised the authoritarian routine worked. Everyone said it wouldn’t, but it was all I knew, and it was like they craved it. But the darker thing I noticed was that it seemed very hard for my personal success story to work today. Those who started off losers stayed losers, forever. There was no climbing the hierarchy as I had. As I said before, it is not good to be at the bottom, especially for long.

I pieced together that this had a great deal to do with the anti-bullying policies put in place since I graduated. Again, I thought it was fine to avoid problems and keep the peace so that students could learn. But they weren’t learning. At best, it felt like they were being herded. What’s worse, “bullying”, at least the far more pervasive and much more common forms of bullying I experienced, the non-violent kind was just as present. Ironically, bullies now used the system to bully others.

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According to a 2015 study Microaggression and Moral Cultures, this is textbook victimhood culture. Victimhood culture is when a culture evolves to handle slights against them through responding to each of them, not directly, but leverage third party intervention. These third parties could be parents, school authority, police, voters, or political donors. What makes victimhood cultures dangerous was that it incentivized “victims” to catalog and broadcast every conceivable slight against them, no matter how trivial or unintentional the insult. They need to build cases and this encouraged to exaggerating or falsify harm they received to create a case against the accused satisfactory enough to warrant some desired or demanded action. That said, I sympathize with schools. To stand up to a mob and say, “You don’t have all the facts,” is hard. So I understand why schools gravitated in this direction.

But victimhood culture does something else to the character of its members. It causes them to value victimhood as a form of virtue itself. That means that those within such cultures seek to gain the short term benefits of being perceived as a victim, such as pity or advocacy, but at the cost of long term appreciation from the culture, as classic (and more healthy) character traits, such as self-reliance and self-respect are ignored and allowed to atrophy.

This matters to those concerned about the development of boys. The reason that victimhood culture is dangerous is because it short-circuits natural boyhood development by specifically contradicting with the nature of boys. Boys align themselves in the same way as anyone else, through dominance hierarchies. The adolescent male dominance hierarchy is one which is attempting to collectively define what being a man should look like, and it socializes its members to this archetypal masculinity identity.

Bolded emphasis mine. Male dominance is the yang to female submissiveness. And male dominance hierarchies are a natural and healthy self-organizing behavior among young and old men. Hierarchies keep the peace and enable male cooperation for the greater good. Women and male shitlibs of womanly disposition don’t understand this inherent property of manhood because the former don’t compete to establish useful hierarchies and the latter are always on the bottom of male hierarchies and so seek to destroy them and the need for them.

A part of this is that schoolyard fights are common, even normal form of social interaction for boys. In many ways, they are necessary to create an ordered hierarchy, establish norms, set ideals, and importantly, provide a vehicle for boys to climb the hierarchy. So that I am not taken out of context, schoolyard fighting is in no way the same as the violence that is the subject of this question. They are categorically different. The fighting among boys was not intended to cause permanent physical injury or death. It is a simple non-lethal duel by two unarmed combatants until one of them gives up. The fighting provided a means for all boys to attain respect across the local microculture, even those at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy, so long as they proved to the collective that they were willing to take their lumps.

Victimhood culture disrupts this process and is contrary to honor cultures. Both are reactionary when slighted, but honor cultures seek to handle matters personally without intervention of third-party authority. With victimhood culture, third-party intervention is the goal. In this way, one playing by the rules of a victimhood culture can undermine the entire adolescent male dominance hierarchy, disrupting its ability to socialize males, preventing the establishment of positive male ideals, and removing a means for the boys at the bottom to rise to a healthy middle.

Victimhood culture is the outgrowth of a feminizing (and feministing) nation. As our institutions have caved to the deluge of the Great Menstruation, boys have been severed from their innate biological predispositions, with no outlet of expressing their inborn male-ness. The result has been a massive retreat of boys from school and of men from public life, and a terrible overrun of our institutions by women, particularly women who harbor deep wells of spiteful man-hatred.

The last element is important for the subject of school shooters. Without the normal processes of restitution, such as fighting, boys at the bottom of the school’s dominance hierarchy may have no means to gain respect in their local community, relegating them to the bottom of a very brutal hierarchy for a very long time during many of their formative years. In this way, the banned behavior of schoolyard “violence” may actually be what immunizes boys from murderousness later in life.

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I’d argue that system of discipline we have in place short-circuits this all important process of childhood adolescent development. To prevent “bullying” we have prevented this necessary outlet for boyhood socialization and replaced it with one where real bullying, the manipulation of those in power or who know how to game the system, continues to take place.

aka credentialism and status striving suckuppery.

Without the outlet, the means to settle the score, the tyrants have no means of being humbled, as the only power they respect is prevented from reaching them. By that, I mean a truly self-righteous boy. But worse, those who are their victims have literally no means of recourse… unless of course they want to tattle and increase their suffering tenfold in the days to come.

Great insight. The protection of the feminized State protects the tyrants from their deserved humblings at the hands of boys who are proud to be boys and not some twisted tranny genderfluid simulacrum of a male-thing. We’ve created a real monster in our zeal to defeat an imaginary monster.

I say this is worse because we believe we have protected the boy who is being bullied by preventing only one form of conflict – physical violence. Because we have conflated a schoolyard tussle with a school shooting, we’ve made all forms of violence evil. I’ll say this to make it clear, there is a need for the Marines to kill people. There is a need for the justice system to sometimes take a life in defense of others. Sometimes, violence is necessary, but in making the idea of violence taboo — “there’s never a reason for violence” — we’ve short-circuited that all important understanding of the world where we teach kids what kinds of violence are acceptable, what kind is not, and what kind is necessary.

This aligns with Jon Haidt’s moral foundations research which uncovered that liberals stress fairness and harm in their moral calculations, while conservatives place equal emphasis on all six moral dimensions (fairness, harm, liberty, authority, purity, and loyalty). What this means is that shitlibs are constricted in their world views, seeing all violence as against their notions of harm-based morality, instead of having the more nuanced moral view of conservatives who better understand that some violence is necessary to preserve societal health.

By removing the most observable conflict method, we removed from him the ability to rectify his own situation through that ancient of means, and I’ll add, the means most common and most widely respected among boys. At the same time, we interfered in socialization through friends and peers, a form of solidifying social norms which the data is clear on, is far more powerful than teachers and schools. And worst of all, we never taught him about violence, so he’s teaching himself.

Now, look at many of the cases of school shooters. I see disturbing similarities to my own story. What was different, was that I figured out how to move up a few notches, so that no matter how bad it got, I was never the guy on the bottom. It needs to be understood that the difference between the least popular kid and the next to least popular is enormous. For mathematicians (many of whom probably understand this personally) the pattern follows somewhat of a pareto distribution. The kid at the bottom doesn’t just have it worse than the kids above him in the dominance hierarchies, he has it exponentially worse. They start off on the wrong foot, then stress causes them to make mistakes which causes them to fall further. Continued stress causes their grades to slip, which causes problems with parents and future outlook. Stress amplifies. Eventually emotional regulation becomes a problem and eventually, even their immune system is weakened. Logically, these children are more likely to need medication to cope or adapt normally to the world, either in the form of antidepressants or through self-aid, in the form of illegal drug use. The former may help or it may only exacerbate their problems, while the latter will surely only provide short term relief at the expense of long term suffering. Maybe other things are factors. Perhaps divorce of the parents, or someone with cancer, or a recent death is part of the story. All of these make it harder and as unfair as that may be, make it easier to fall down the dominance hierarchy. Maybe they seek help by playing up their victimhood status for a while, and maybe it will help for the short term. Pity can feel very good for a little while. However, if they do it wrong, they risk revulsion because neediness is repulsive. There is a point where you can become so bad off, that even asking for help makes others resent you more. These people are in complete collapse.

Neediness is repulsive to women too. So the young boy who fails to learn this lesson on the playground will grow up and fail the same lesson in the dating market. He will be rejected by women later in life as assuredly as he was rejected by male peers early in his life

Put all this together, and I think we have a much better understanding of what makes a school shooter. They aren’t just bullied kids. Everyone faces some degree of meanness from time time, but they are kids who absolutely cannot escape the bottom rungs of the adolescent social structure. Over a period of years they absorb abuse by other kids using them to climb their own dominance structures. They never develop strategies to deal with this, but instead, attempt and fail at other strategies which exacerbate their position, such as retreating into isolation or seeking to accentuate their own victimhood to the revulsion of everyone else around them, even adults.

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Then the final evolution is to embrace that hatred for the world, hatred for themselves, and sense of meaninglessness to the point of suicide. Many simply stop at that tragedy, but some take it even further, wanting to take as much with them before they go. Maybe they’ll use a gun, maybe arson, maybe a bomb, but those few will stop at nothing to express their resentment of Creation.

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And as much as schools are trying to resist this message, it’s becoming clearer with every instance of young men and boys massacring their peers, that all the ad-hoc programs cooked up by our “Anti-Bullying Committees” aren’t helping. At best, they are patronizing programs intended to communicate a child’s uniqueness and individual value, diluted by the fact it is exactly like the message given to all the other kids. Like the message of the Syndrome in the Incredibles, “When everyone’s special… no one will be.” At the same time, these programs seem to do little more than categorize many of the behaviors necessary to escape the bottom of the social hierarchy are the same as the violence it evolved to replace. Throwing these behaviors out has left a hole in how we socialize boys, not just in preventing them from committing massacres, but in how we they define their own identities and how they become healthy men in society.

Flattening male hierarchy creates psychologically flattened men untethered from society.

One more thing I’d add: Cruz was an omega male with girl problems.

Cruz had been suspended from the school from fighting his ex girlfriend’s new boyfriend and was depressed and having girl problems at the time of the shooting.

Victimhood culture also prevents young men from learning how better to appeal to women and to understand what makes women tick, and the result is that a single rejection can send an omega or beta over the edge.

Btw, I think social media and the instant access to one’s loserdom provided by internet search engines only magnifies the social isolation felt by the bottom-rung young men in society. Before the Eye in the Skynet and Faceborg broadcast everyone’s social standing across the globe it was likely easier for losers to manage the burden of their low social status. Now, everyone sees it, all day every day, and this must contribute to feelings of hopelessness and rage in outcasts like Cruz.

One more thing: we should be looking out for Crooked Face people like Cruz because these are the sorts of LSMV omega males who have likely inherited a heavy genetic mutational load that predisposes them to low self-control and psychopathy.

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The second post is by Agnostic, whose thesis is that rootlessness — characterized by geographic regions that are full of recent transplants — is a major factor in the creation of mass shooters.

A striking fact about the deadliest mass shootings is their geographic distribution, lying mostly in areas that are heavily colonized by transplants, rather than in places with deep historical roots and communities.

This tends to be a fractal phenomenon — at the regional level, they’re most likely in the Sun Belt, but even within such states, they’re from newly founded suburban enclaves (ironically intended to be “safe” unlike the dangerous old towns and cities nearby), and often the killer’s family and perhaps the killer himself are transplants (including immigrants or sons of immigrants).

Ann Coulter recently made this point: a lot of our relatively recent mass shooters have been the poison fruit of our open borders policy.

Rootless places attract people guided by a laissez-faire approach to behavior, who don’t mind throwing away the constraints of living in a place where traditions are strong, family ties are extensive, and even strangers know each other. Perhaps that’s the exact reason they’re fleeing a rooted place — so they can just live their own lives without being bound to others.

As a place comes to be colonized more and more by such people, normlessness becomes the norm. Do whatever, say whatever, think whatever. Fuck the haters. If it feels good, do it. If you got it, flaunt it.

Shitlibs think the above describes a utopia, but it has a dark side.

The residents may think this low-lying level of anti-sociality is no big deal. They’re being true to their individual selves, and at worst it produces bratty and entitled children. Nothing devastating, certainly not worth going back to the rooted environment with all of its constraints on individual behavior.

But it’s precisely this code of “do whatever” that allows the small handful of truly warped individuals to carry out their warped fantasies. Typically these are revenge fantasies (rape or murder), as the social reject killer has no other ties to sustain him, and seeks to lash out at those who have rejected him. He has no extended family, no neighbors, no other communal links that would keep him calmed down despite being a loner at school.

Once he stews in those revenge fantasies long enough, what constraints are there to hold him back from carrying them out? He lives in a world of his own, with no palpable policing presence.

Social norms exist for a reason, even if liberaltardians don’t have the mental capacity to see those reasons beyond “Ugh, stop harshing my buttplug mellow, man!”. As we add more Diversity, we add more competing norms, and we take away more of the national cohesion that makes America a real country and not a bus depot for international frugalists and their buffer zone third world pets.

Although such cases may be rare, their impact is catastrophic when they do hit — there could be dozens of innocent people brutally murdered for no reason in a public spectacle. In addition to the immediate loss of life, there’s the permanent scar left on the area. It is exactly these rare-yet-catastrophic cases that social norms are supposed to protect against. They may feel annoying sometimes when you want to do your own thing, but they’re there for the greater good of preserving the community, like a form of insurance.

Liberals may be slightly better than conservatives on tests of abstraction, but I’ve normally found that conservatives are much better “big picture” thinkers than are liberals who are hidebound by their pinched individualistic morality to focus exclusively on short-term affronts to their lifestyles.

These kinds of spree murders have become more common as more people have dislocated themselves and their families in pursuit of higher career prospects. It’s generally not dirt-poor people reluctantly moving to the nearest city after the good jobs vanished in rural areas. It’s middle class people moving from Nowheresville to an up-and-coming “it” place. This is what makes the shootings so counter-intuitive to most observers — they happen in middle-class enclaves with good schools and promising children.

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Only when we reverse this trend by staying put where our roots are, and accepting the duties and constraints that this places on our behavior, will these kinds of warped revenge fantasies no longer be thought of, let alone acted upon. The moral code will change from “do whatever” to “rein it in for the greater good”.

That will mean denying yourself the attempt to climb the status ladder by moving around all over the place — but by now that’s mostly a fool’s game anyway, all of the good spots having been taken and held onto for awhile. If a handful of people do this, it may not wreck society, but if enough people uproot themselves, then the entire society gets destabilized — behaviorally and morally.

Parents who put their kids through wrenching geographic dislocations to pursue their own status goals are committing a form of child abuse.

To put it bluntly, we do not have the right to “do whatever” as long as it doesn’t immediately harm others. Acting as though we did have that right leads to patterns of behavior that, after a sufficient percolating delay, cause far more destruction to ourselves and others than we imagined was possible.

Conservatives rely more on their gut instinct, which is why they tend to lose media-framed sophistic shitlib “debates”, but also why they are smarter about foreseeing the downstream effects of social policies favored by liberals.

But you can’t push for tough regulations on other people’s behavior without accepting more regulations on your own personal behavior. Pointing to potential “harm” done by the other person is no good, since your own laissez-faire behavior is corroding and destroying others, just not in as concentrated of a way. It’s long-term and diffuse, but no less offensive to social norms.

Narcissists are more likely to be represented among rootless transplants, (“why should I let anyone hold me back? I do it my way!”), so it’s not surprising that they have more of the attitude that their actions do no harm, it’s all the other guy’s fault.

And of course the ultimate form of regulation comes from feeling social pressure, whether from extended family, neighbors, peers you’ve known your whole lives, and so on.

A rootless nation substitutes one form of social pressure — family and neighbors — with another form that accommodates the atomized existence — pressure from fake news media, entertainment, social media, and BIGCORP. It’s a malignant trade-off in the long run.

Diversity™ of course exacerbates rootlessness and the problems that come from population churn. White people constantly fleeing encroaching Diversity can turn an entire nation into a rootless mob of psychologically frayed zombies doped up on SSRIs and opioids.

It’s not a shock to learn that almost all the school shooters were taking anti-anxiety drugs. Cause and effect are hard to disentangle — it probably goes both ways in a vicious feedback loop of degenerating evil: rootlessness brings on the anxiety which is prescribed BIGPHARMA drugs which with chronic use mentally destabilizes the user and makes him more susceptible to the problems arising from rootlessness and social isolation.

We’ve got a long way to go to make America great again. Trump was only the opening salvo.

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  1. on February 22, 2018 at 4:09 pm The Broken Culture That Breeds Mass Murderers | @the_arv

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  2. on February 22, 2018 at 4:12 pm Samuel Skinner

    “What this means is that shitlibs are constricted in their world views, seeing all violence as against their notions of harm-based morality,”

    Pretty sure shitlibs are good with ‘punch a nazi’. I think treating the left as anything beyond slogans used to organize people to hurt others is a mistake.

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  3. on February 22, 2018 at 4:13 pm Xtrabeing starofmagic.wordpress.com

    xxI think it’s worth emphasizing what a fragile hold the liberals have without media.

    If, somehow, a framing alternative narrative could arise — one that was equally “vibrant” (heh) — it would undermine all the feet of the CNN, MSNBC, ABC and others. Fox is doing a poor job because it doesn’t know how to advance its own narrative, but even with its limited abilities in meme-deployment, willpower and charm, it does excellent ratings.

    Solution? An alt-right media apparatus that stretches from TV to internet, broadcasting a combo of truth and lies 24/7 and mocks liberals for the weakling pussies they are and explains their treasonous behavior to the Whites, demanding their dissolution.

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  4. on February 22, 2018 at 4:14 pm jvo17

    rootlessness — characterized by geographic regions that are full of recent transplants — is a major factor in the creation of mass shooters.

    Exactly what I thought upon first laying eyes on Littleton, Colorado. What an anonymous, fresh/new/suburban/soulless enclave.

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  5. on February 22, 2018 at 4:17 pm Xtrabeing starofmagic.wordpress.com

    When you turn on your TV at night after work — and become what xxI call a “TV Watcher” — instead of going out and talking to strangers on the streets of your big city, instead of hitting on titties and making them swoon, you retreat from the real world into someone else’s “projection” of culture. Shows like “Modern Family” which idolize an artificial, non-sustainable society are designed to enforce the idea that “raciss bad” and “homophobia evil.” But if you showed gays fucking each other up the ass (as xxI was once vomitous to see) instead of prancing around on the streets of gay pride, the universal revulsion would swamp the liberal orthodoxy. NO ONE respects trannies. NO ONE thinks that negroes are beautiful and smart. NO ONE believes women can start major corporations outside the Martha Stewart Omnimedia/Spanx vein of all-bitch products. And finally, NO ONE believes that we are all equal. For some are higher than others. Alpha white male > Beta white male > Alpha white female > Beta white female > all other races, any gender, or type.

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  6. on February 22, 2018 at 4:18 pm Xtrabeing starofmagic.wordpress.com

    The only salvation of the white race lies in the megaalphas who have the will, balls, charm and ruthlessness coupled with business acumen to fight fire with fire, and burn meme against meme, and eventually take down the libs.

    xxI am one.

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  7. on February 22, 2018 at 4:19 pm vfm#7634

    “With victimhood culture, third-party intervention is the goal.”

    I’ve noticed that even for things like getting a man 86ed from an establishment, that it’s far, far more likely to happen if the management are liberals than if they’re conservatives. Places staffed by liberals have something off about them — as if they don’t actually trust any of their patrons. And liberal men are far worse than the women because at least you can run Game on the women.

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  8. on February 22, 2018 at 4:32 pm Southern WASP

    Great post. I completely agree with it. I remember a remember a bigger, older kid bullying me when I was kid. It was something I couldn’t ignore. It wasn’t something I could talk away or discuss my way out of. And I didn’t want to be a pussy and whine to a teacher about it. The only way was to confront it was head on. Tell the kid I was going to fight him after school. It was a good fight, I still remember the punches. That kind of thing builds character. The ultra-feminization of schools now takes that rite of passage away.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 5:21 pm TLM

      There is a downside not mentioned in the post about utilizing tried & true old school (1980’s and before) methods to combat bullying.

      Having a fair fight and walking away with a newfound respect for the confrontation went out the window a while back.

      These kids today live in Nigger America, and it has its own rules. Total humiliation in the form of head stomping and brutal kicks to the face if you lose.

      And not only are you fighting your bully, but also his friends. There is no honor anymore. Pack attacks are the norm and they see nothing wrong with it ( This is a yuge reversal from 80’s fights when the ‘winner’ could still be considered the loser of a physical contest if he didn’t earn his victory himself).

      Don’t believe me, spend 30 minutes on Worldstar watching fight videos.

      In the 80’s you got a shiner, bloody nose, or a fat lip in a fight. Now these kids are being put on ventilators with perm. brain damage because ‘victory’ isn’t complete until Shitavious jumps on your head five times after ‘knocking you the fuck out’.

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      • on February 22, 2018 at 5:38 pm FastEddie

        ^ This x100

        TLM hit it. Normal socialization can only exist in a homogenous White society. Very frequently I became friends with the guys I had a little dust-up with.

        The teachers’ attitude was also very different. I distinctly remember two female teachers talking with one another, “The weather must be getting warmer.. all the boys are beating the crap out of each other,” then rolling their eyes and laughing. Very healthy “boys will be boys” attitude.

        90% of the fighting was over by sophomore year, nearly extinguished by junior. Pecking order established. It wasn’t all unicorns and rainbows. You still had guys you didn’t like. But we were a fucking UNIT.

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      • on February 22, 2018 at 8:53 pm thordaddy

        Most white kids today don’t even know that niggers actually exist.

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      • on February 22, 2018 at 10:12 pm DeNihilist

        TLM, or where I live, peversepersiansandniggers. In our day, no kicking, no buddy’s and when the other gave up, the end.

        When the sandniggers arrived, that all changed. Same as you describe.

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      • on February 22, 2018 at 10:23 pm Freddie

        Your description of niggers is both welcome and accurate!

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 5:40 am Anonymous

        Yep.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 7:04 pm Sun Tzu

        If a bigger kid (usually with his cronies) picks on me, then it would be impossible for me to win such an unfair fight. I was picked when I was a kid, the bullies are always older and much bigger.

        In that scenario the only way I could resolve it is by escalating the situation. Ambushing a rock/screw driver/knife. Some kids do this, others just “take it” and cry every night, others commit suicide. I once saw a bully get his head smashed open with a rock by a much smaller kid, weapons are the force equalizer, that and sneak attacks.

        Neither conservatives or liberals have the right answer. Since conservatives are almost always the stronger, better looking kids they are almost never the victims. Liberals have a better grasp of the situation, but that’s all they have.

        I don’t have the answers to this, but all I can say is this, if my kid is ever in such a situation, I would rather he stick a screwdriver in the other kid than he offing himself. In all the fights I’ve ever been in, I think I had one “honorable fair fight” and it was with a friend.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 10:47 pm Mountain Cracker

        Hear hear sir. “Nigger America” is THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE. No standard of behavior, no fathers, no pride and no shame. White people now act like them. I call Colorado “home of the white nigger” because in spite of being white these kids all act like those in Memphis or Detroit. And they keep moving here in droves.

        Our great-grandparents knew how to keep this shit at bay…at the end of a rope. They made examples of these savages and kept a society strong. We are now a disintegrating society because we lack the will to kill those who undermine it. Marxists, feminists, liberals, communists, illegal immigrants, blacks and moslems: soon we’re going to sort this out like white people, and get the rope out again.

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      • on February 24, 2018 at 9:18 am Chris Stevenson

        @Mountain Cracker

        i will respectfully borrow your term “land of the white nigger” for a place known as Staten Island in New York City. they took my beloved WASP community where we had roots going back 200 years and turned it into guinea paradise. these bastards were gang bullying long before the 1980’s, it just got worse after that. it was never one on one; they came at you as a group; god forbid you prevailed. if you did, it was watch your back. never a fair fight and if it suited them, they cried to the teacher or police if you bested one or many of them. honestly, the lower Irish were just as bad. they are like bad women on the inside with outer appearance of male. you will notice that a lot of city laws prevent you from having any defense against a group or predator attack, just like their politics like it. honestly, well raised blacks are just fine people. this is a disease of lack of consequences and lack of male guidance in an ordered culture based upon principles that worked.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 9:04 am hbconservancy

      Agree completely with you and Jon Davis. People used to know a famous quote by the Duke of Wellington: “The Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton.”

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  9. on February 22, 2018 at 4:35 pm CalvinDecline

    God damn CH, what a post.

    But you can’t push for tough regulations on other people’s behavior without accepting more regulations on your own personal behavior. Pointing to potential “harm” done by the other person is no good, since your own laissez-faire behavior is corroding and destroying others, just not in as concentrated of a way. It’s long-term and diffuse, but no less offensive to social norms.</blockquote

    Jordan Peterson has been hitting on that point for a while now, and it's a great one:

    Don't mind the thot to his left that looks like she's about to fall asleep as subject matter starts to *whoosh* over her head.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm thordaddy

      Yes, you can… It’s called expunge all notions of “universal equality” to recognize that every thought and action has a distinctly unique effect however so hidden that particular effect shall be by the multitude of parallel phenomena.

      So…

      If I confront evil nigger to do some good for once, evil nigger is in no position to ask the white (S)upremacist to do better BECAUSE “equality.”

      Catch my drift.

      “Universal Equality” is total collapse.

      Pre-collapse is just a teaspoon of “equality.”

      “We” want none of it.

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  10. on February 22, 2018 at 4:43 pm Johnny Redux

    Great post, CH. Thanks.

    Meanwhile, the damn Jews keep plotting to take away our guns. Here, and article by (((Andrew Ross Sorkin))) in the (((NY Times))):

    “Here’s an idea.

    What if the finance industry — credit card companies like Visa, Mastercard and American Express; credit card processors like First Data; and banks like JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo — were to effectively set new rules for the sales of guns in America?

    Collectively, they have more leverage over the gun industry than any lawmaker. And it wouldn’t be hard for them to take a stand.

    PayPal, Square, Stripe and Apple Pay announced years ago that they would not allow their services to be used for the sale of firearms.”

    Here’s and idea, Andrew: What if I got some rope. . . .

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 4:46 pm Johnny Redux

      ^^^ P.S.: Get out there and buy extra weapons if you can, gents, especially any high-capacity (30+ round magazine) AR-style rifle, and any high-capacity (12+ magazine) pistols. And don’t forget a few boxes of ammo while you’re there!

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      • on February 22, 2018 at 7:52 pm Bad Attitude

        You need lots of ammunition, especially if you are stocking to feed semi-automatic firearms. You need ammunition to practice and train. And, you will need lots of ammunition for when things get sporty. Think thousands of rounds – a couple hundred rounds just isn’t going to cut it.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 5:31 pm vfm#7634

      AFAIK cash is still legal tender in the United States.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 12:36 am skorzecin150

        For now….

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 6:12 pm jOHN MOSBY

      ((( Sorkin ))).
      I really wish the coin clippers would pull this, and gunowners pull the plug on their accounts. Do these fucksticks think that numbnut soyboys and buzzcut dykes will keep ’em in biz when they work ( if they do ) at Starcucks and live in the basement, and will suckle mommy’s teat forever ?

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 6:52 pm Jaded Jurist

      In 2006, Paypal froze my account for 6 months and wouldn’t let me access the funds in it because a stupid buyer put in the memo line: “Gunbroker transaction # 6516521”. I was a licensed firearms dealer and I sent the gun to another dealer, as required by law. I have REALLY tried to avoid Paypuke ever since. The fcking nerve!

      Also, craigslist used to let you buy and sell ammo and accessories, but now they probably wouldn’t let you sell a can of BB’s. What next, Twatter won’t let alt-right personalities speak their minds?

      F this ghey Earth….

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  11. on February 22, 2018 at 4:52 pm 0844

    If you didn’t get into a fight at least once in the Corps, you were a bitch ass pogue. I got into a burly fight one time on float that ended with my opponent and me being stitched up by the corpsman. Next liberty port we got shitfaced together. I lost my rank but I got respect, which means more than rank sometimes. Eventually I got my rank back. A good fight clears the air.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 2:50 pm Les Saunders, Protestant

      My father used to get in fights at the Post Office when he was a mailman for a time back in the 80s. It would start with some asshole starting to get lippy and before you know it, fists would fly. Head locks and all. That’s how they sorted things back in the 70s/80s.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:37 pm Carlos Danger

        That’s the Canada I love!

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  12. on February 22, 2018 at 5:28 pm sigsawyer

    Reminds me of the one and only argument I’ll make on the topic:

    In 1950 there was no gun control and no school shootings. Look somewhere else for blame.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 6:17 pm Libertardian

      1953: https://goo.gl/x9GzK9

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 4:06 am dzhugashvili

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 1:35 pm pulsotic

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 6:27 pm The Question

      Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase “this isn’t the 1950s anymore!”

      The new quip: You’re saying that like it’s a good thing.

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  13. on February 22, 2018 at 6:05 pm Gospace

    That part about staying in one place where your roots are ain’t necessarily so. My oldest two were born and raised while I was active duty Navy. Went to multiple schools during their growing years. Both now very successful adults, one an officer, the other an electrical engineer. The youngest was born and raised where I now live. Where there’s no family except Mom and Dad and for awhile, siblings. Eagle Scout, top of his class, sports participant in HS but never a star, and now an ROTC cadet.

    Long ago when shrinks said that moving would be harmful to kids- they did a study. And found- it was and it wasn’t. Kids who moved because their parents were jumping out on their rent, or avoiding the bill collectors, or getting divorced or found another “boyfriend” or “girlfriend” had all kinds of problems. Those who moved because the military or their company transferred them were, for the most part, better adjusted as adults than those that just stayed put. At least those with involved parents. Because they had been forced to adapt to new situations over the years, and make new friends and leave old ones behind.

    There are a number of my youngest son’s friends who couldn’t adjust to college and being away from home, who returned to our small town and started their second semester of schooling, if they continued schooling, in the local community college. Those whose families traveled a lot (we did, since family was scattered)) or were in Scouts, Boy or Girl, who participated in activities outside of school, who went away to college are still there.

    I have to go back 6 generations in any direct ancestor branch to find an ancestor who died in the state he/she was born in. I have distant cousins from one of those ancestors living still in the ancestral home. And lots of distant cousins in that county. From what I can see the families that stayed in place for generations are no better or worse off than the families that have been constantly moving. I would think that by living in the same home for generations that the family would financially, be much better off than the movers. But that’s not the case.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 12:55 am skorzecin150

      That’s almost exactly my experience. Despite moving every couple of years or so, my kids are very successful and well adjusted, the two (just) adults are living their own lives literally thousands of miles from us, have stable relationships, are not into drugs and not a lot of alcohol (they both made that mistake once, and learned from it) whilst most 18-19 year old “young adults” ride the carousel, stuff whatever they can into their bodies to make them feel “great”, and basically just waste some of the best years of their lives “having a good time” with NO thought to the future.

      You can have fun without being a drunken whore.

      Maybe we’re lucky, and they could still fail, but they had to learn to be proactive at an early age, and luckily had the personalities to thrive, so I’m not overly concerned. Normal parental concern, sure, but not helicopter parenting panic levels of concern.

      Anyone who’s spent any time around rotorheads knows their weird, after all.

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  14. on February 22, 2018 at 6:32 pm The Question

    The giant Sahara-size elephants in the room for this whole discussion are the countless high school yearbook photos from a bygone era that we’ve been taught to revile as the most evil time in human history, when kids not only brought rifles to school but had shooting competitions and clubs. And no school shootings happened.

    Clearly the problem isn’t guns, but that the culture has changed for the worse. There is absolutely no counterargument to this.

    Problem is, we know who has been in charge of the culture since then. So we know who is responsible. And so do they.

    The whole gun control debate could have shifted toward a broader discussion on just exactly what we’ve done to our culture since 1950 by meme blasting these photos. Anyone with half an IQ point would get the underlying point.

    Unfortunately, cuckservatives don’t know how to maintain frame to save their lives, so they’ll sell out the rights of their grandchildren to ensure they keep their power in the swampland.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 10:53 pm nightskyradio

      “…kids not only brought rifles to school but had shooting competitions and clubs. And no school shootings happened.”

      Guns were even advertised on comic books. This is a comic from 1980, front and back cover.

      http://nightskyradio.com/comics-and-guns/

      “The big gun from Daisy that’s just right for kids!”

      I had a rifle like that when I was 11 or 12. My dad got it for me for my birthday. It’s a BB and pellet rifle, not bullets, but most kids reading these comics were too small for bullets just yet. But clearly guns were something for boys to have and regularly practice with.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:22 am Greg Eliot

        Ah, the fear of “putting an eye out”!

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  15. on February 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm Jaded Jurist

    Best psycho-social science blog on the net. Haidt et al will soon be asking your opinion, CH, if they’re not already.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 2:05 am Samuel Skinner

      Haidt’s Jewish and explicitly declared his interest in free speech wasn’t about creating an opening for ‘Nazis and the KKK’. His group’s position is absolute free speech and barely found it acceptable the idea that Richard Spencer has the right to free speech; there was greater consensus that “all I want for Christmas is white genocide” is protected.

      Don’t look to the elite or institutions; they are NOT your friend.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 2:29 pm Jaded Jurist

        True. Not even Jordan Peterson is willing to discuss JQ. I guess he’s not keen on having to dig ditches for a living.

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  16. on February 22, 2018 at 7:56 pm Publius

    Literally every problem we have in the US is due to not having a homogeneous white country.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 8:18 pm A.B. Prosper

      You also need to end no fault divorce and socially punish sluts.

      That still might not end the problems, being wealthy triggers some kind of shit-lib gene in some people. Making sure that sort can’t gain political power period is also essential

      Too think of it, a litle of the old tyme religion wouldn’t be amiss either.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:42 am anon

        In an all-white society even this problem would largely take care of itself.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:42 am anon

        You wouldn’t have (((them))) teaching our women to act as they do.

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 10:48 pm Carlos Danger

      true but you wouldn’t have these problems either if only one group were to leave.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:42 am anon

        this

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 4:15 am dzhugashvili

      Somebody should have thought of that, before the involuntary importation of several million Africans.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:43 am anon

        Yep. Importing African slaves to America was the greatest crime ever committed. The victims of this crime are all white Americans alive today.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 11:47 pm Carlos Danger

        They made big estates possible and could take the Virginia heat and humidity better.

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  17. on February 22, 2018 at 8:04 pm Gil

    Rathe it’s a case of it’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job but it’s a depression when you lose yours. Such people forget the NRA helped to ban automatic weapons because of the gang violence of the 1920’s.

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  18. on February 22, 2018 at 8:58 pm Jaded Jurist

    TEST (ignore)

    [wondering if I’m auto-blocked by m0d or if it was the content]

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    • on February 22, 2018 at 8:59 pm Jaded Jurist

      It was the content. So unpredictable at times!

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  19. on February 22, 2018 at 9:21 pm thordaddy

    First things first…

    The default assumption is “false flag” because “false flags” are legal.

    The second assumption is that guns = cash and children are the best thieves of their parents’ “safe” where the dull mass doesn’t care to see a heist.

    UncleBeast is broke.

    And his Police State is “gun control.”

    Formulate a “school shooter.”

    Control of American guns is a chaotic Al Gore rhythm. A real global swarming.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 4:21 am dzhugashvili

      These Russian Influence Bots would be much more effective if they were programmed to write comprehensible English, rather than gobbledygook.

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      • on February 23, 2018 at 2:31 pm Jaded Jurist

        Shut it, Stalin. Thordaddy has been commenting since before bots were invented.

        As for you, apparently bots can project.

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  20. on February 22, 2018 at 10:34 pm realgaryseven

    Insightful article, CH. Outstanding.

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  21. on February 23, 2018 at 4:11 am Tim from Nashua

    Returning to the social norm of giving confessed/convicted killers the death penalty immediately after being found guilty would go a long way towards civilization of society. Do it for the children!

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  22. on February 23, 2018 at 8:07 am Ralph Stanley

    I really doubt that schoolyard fights are a thing of the past. I don’t necessarily think that point is as relevant to the plague of mass shooters as the teacher/marine believes. Although the hyper-feminzation of schools is not helping (will we see more and more shootings in feminized offices?

    I *do think social media enhances the emotional burden of your place in a teenage social hierarchy. Not only is constant, it’s a PERMANENT record of those uncomfortable years.

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve had a creeping realization that social media companies are an oppressive force in society. I find myself wondering, “Are they the enemy? Are they my enemy?”.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 4:05 pm Publius

      Uh der der gee I wonder, der is ((((((faceberg)))))) the enemy?

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  23. on February 23, 2018 at 8:19 am martin

    This is a very interesting post and it is making me reconsider an idea I have had for a while now. My idea was that we would use technology to cut off the left from having any control over our money and speech. I think this was part of the idea that the cryptocurrency idealists had. They were going to create a new currency the government could not control and thus they could leverage that against the evil governments. But the post was about how using passive aggressive tactics by mediating between third parties has prevented direct conflict from occurring such as rather harmless fights that allow people to correct injustices. Maybe ideas like cryptocurrencies are just installing another third party, maybe not. I have to think about that one. But is setting up a new currency better than just directly addressing the left en masse? It seems like using technology could generally be likened to a third party here whereas using the political process is similar to a fist fight. I have to think about this now.

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  24. on February 23, 2018 at 8:21 am Anon

    Hold up.

    We get a million words about how boys need to fight each other, and they can’t, therefore school shootings.

    Then, somehow as “proof” that FL fits this pattern we… read that the FL shooter got in a fight with his ex’s new bf.

    Huh?

    [CH: probably in this case “got into a fight” means “watched this dude take my girl away from me and once cried in front of both of them about it”]

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  25. on February 23, 2018 at 8:49 am GB

    Any of these school shooters ever raised with a father in the house? Didn’t think so.

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  26. on February 23, 2018 at 11:10 am Kyo

    One of the most important essays I’ve ever read here at the Chateau. If a book is ever compiled, this should be in it.

    To add to Jon Davis’ excellent piece (go to Quora and read the whole thing), I want to reiterate a point I’ve made here from time to time: the “no keeping score, everyone gets a trophy” no-competition sports culture that is supposedly to make things less stressful for children is in fact nothing of the kind: itis a reinforcer of existing social hierarchies, and preventer of boys low in the hierarchy from ever rising, and was probably implemented at least unconsciously for this reason.

    When you keep score and have real winners and losers, the little undersized kid has a chance (through practice, effort, and old-fashioned grit and determination) to eventually come out on top, making a big catch, a clutch basket, an unexpected goal, any contribution to his team, and earn the respect of his peers.

    Not keeping score means that winners and losers are still measured by the social standings, where the guys at the bottom are never permitted to not finish last.

    I experienced this first-hand. I had skipped a grade and was thus the youngest, and among the smallest, in my grade for many years. I went from being a happy, smart first-grader to a miserable third-grader who was peoperly challenged academically but in over his head socially. Thank God for youth sports (particularly the ones organized by age and not by grade) where I could finally earn the respect of the other boys nimbly outrunning defenders twice my size, or making a diving catch of a line drive.

    And my parents always criticized me for being so “competitive”. What did you expect, putting me among peers who were all three inches taller and meaner and savvier and looking for someone to ostracize? Put your kid at the bottom of a hierarchy and he either competes his way out… or goes the way of these boys Mr. Davis describes. Thank God drugs were not prescribed 30 years ago the way they are now.

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  27. on February 23, 2018 at 1:00 pm chateaudesilling

    That was really interesting and insightful. In more contemporary culture, “those who started off as losers stayed losers forever.”l THAT is the answer to a question that has been plaguing me for a long time! I wasn’t shocked by Columbine, because I fantasized about doing something similar a full 10 years earlier. On the other hand, I had free and ready access to tons of guns and ammo. I’ve been pondering the question in the context of the gun control debate. Gun control didn’t stop me from doing the first Columbine, so what did?

    Simply put, I was a loser, and I dealt with it. I didn’t rise all the way to the top of the food chain, but I got off the bottom. I made myself a more challenging target for bullies, and they left me alone. I learned how to make friends with people. I left high school with people knowing my name in a good way. This is far better than being remembered as the first loser to snap in a murder suicide death binge.

    I don’t think the cultural problems can be fixed at this point. Things got much worse after I left school. Everybody is an outstanding snowflake. My son got jumped in the hall in front of a dozen witnesses, and he stomped the guy’s ass, and they both got expelled. Sigh.

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    • on February 23, 2018 at 2:35 pm Jaded Jurist

      Great comment

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  28. on February 23, 2018 at 2:07 pm Mandalay (@ThreeNagas)

    As usual the ‘gun grab’ argument is libtard kneejerk to distract from the real issues of the POZ in public schools. Many points here you will never read in the MSM about young male development that is at the root of these school shootings.

    We were armed to the teeth by today’s standards and had none of this when I was young since boys were still allowed to sort out their own issues without the (((nanny state))) interceding.

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  29. on February 23, 2018 at 7:05 pm Sun Tzu

    If a bigger kid (usually with his cronies) picks on me, then it would be impossible for me to win such an unfair fight. I was picked when I was a kid, the bullies are always older and much bigger.

    In that scenario the only way I could resolve it is by escalating the situation. Ambushing a rock/screw driver/knife. Some kids do this, others just “take it” and cry every night, others commit suicide. I once saw a bully get his head smashed open with a rock by a much smaller kid, weapons are the force equalizer, that and sneak attacks.

    Neither conservatives or liberals have the right answer. Since conservatives are almost always the stronger, better looking kids they are almost never the victims. Liberals have a better grasp of the situation, but that’s all they have.

    I don’t have the answers to this, but all I can say is this, if my kid is ever in such a situation, I would rather he stick a screwdriver in the other kid than he offing himself. In all the fights I’ve ever been in, I think I had one “honorable fair fight” and it was with a friend.

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    • on February 26, 2018 at 6:48 am Captain John Charity Spring MA

      I’ll go there. It’s possible the kids deserved it. The “cowardice” of the Deputy on the staff of the school speaks volumes. He knew that the kids were not worth self sacrifice on his part.

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  30. on February 23, 2018 at 9:33 pm Two From Chateau Heartiste | Western Rifle Shooters Association

    […] The Broken Culture That Breeds Mass Murderers […]

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  31. on February 24, 2018 at 8:33 am Chris Stevenson

    one of your most historical posts, thank you for assembling this information so well.

    respectfully would like to add that when these young men are so much on the bottom, the counseling pharma complex is often the only resort seen as logical by their parents and overseers. without developing the normal coping mechanisms and living in a world of internalized rage it only takes a small imbalance to trigger tragedy. all of these rage monsters share one particular detail in common. they were on SSRI’s and other medications which in many cases have black box warnings for the risk of violent and other manic behavior when used by those under age 25. this is a perfect storm born of the fact that they were robbed of a functional coping mechanism, need for solution in a socially limited fashion and the profit motives by those who guide. throw in a little parental inadequacy and maternal acceptance for whatever the doctor says.

    adding to the rage monster issue is the fact that when a young man stands up to a bully in a school setting, he is often punished. this creates a learned helplessness further adding to institutionalized rage. in the early eighties it was already starting where the principals and teachers where stating that both would be punished regardless of who started the conflict. this was often observed in the higher income and wealthier suburbs first as well as Catholic parochial schools. when the traditional options are exhausted, bullying graduated to the group networked kind as it became more feminine. yes, the actual oppressors themselves started to behave more like females which planted the seed for the online issues that would come later. network bullying cannot be fought easily as too the earlier form of rumor and innuendo. females have always had coping mechanisms for this and rules, however the males have no such access and run a greater risk as their natural tendencies become dangerous without the normal rules of engagement to guide them.

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  32. on February 24, 2018 at 9:31 am Dr.Spanko

    Male hierarchies are NOT “natural” but a central feature of all WARRIOR cultures. We have been stuck at this stage of human “Evolution” for over 10,000 years. Our invention of weapons of mass destruction is the Warning Notice that this must change or humanity will wipe itself off this planet.

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  33. on February 24, 2018 at 10:37 am gamegetterII

    Reblogged this on Starvin Larry.

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  34. on February 24, 2018 at 11:20 am SteveZ

    Chris Stevenson, good point about learned helplessness in the ’80’s school system. I have seen that myself, it creates more of a consequence for the one standing up to the bully than for the bully himself. That situation just creates a culture of wanna-be alphas.

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  35. on February 26, 2018 at 6:42 am Captain John Charity Spring MA

    A normie friend of mine age 47, a giant 6ft 4in bully himself analyses the school shooting thus:

    “Careful who you bully today as the response could be bullets. It’s karma balancing out the universe. I bet that school was hell on earth.”

    These kids are clearly not worth taking a bullet for as Deputy Scott Peterson proved when he finished his donuts and hid.

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