When a woman cheats, odds are she’ll fuck the man with whom she cheats harder, longer, deeper than she has ever fucked her husband or boyfriend.
tclifford adds a relevant quote:
From Anthony Powell’s *A Writer’s Notebook*: “Being unfaithful to a woman gives a man rather tender feelings about her, but a woman usually hates a man when she is being unfaithful to him.”
It’s true because men have a harem mentality and a sexual appetite that can be easily divorced from emotional feelings, while women have a “be part of an alpha male’s harem” mentality and a sexual appetite that cannot be easily divorced from emotional feelings. It’s why a man can cheat on a perfectly loving partner, while a woman often resents and despises the partner who (she rationalizes) pushes her into cheating on him to seek the love she needs.
Bonus UTotD:
“Unwanted sexual advance” is an oxymoron. How’s a man supposed to know he’s sexually unwanted if he doesn’t advance? The advancing is necessary to find out if it’s unwanted. PoundMeToo

“a woman usually hates a man when she is being unfaithful to him”
Can confirm.
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same here
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Same here, that’s why a cuckolded man must immediately dump the skank.
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exactly right
there is no recovery after a woman gets to the point where she is looking to cheat and then acts on it
she may seem sorry at first and you may be able to keep things together for a short time after. but it will never last.
if she was able to give her body over to another man, she basically had no respect for you at that point. if you stay, she will have even less respect than she did before she cheated. no way to win in that situation.
dumping the sloot is your only option
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…and never ever even so much as consider reconciliation (yes, even (especially) with children involved.
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Even Jesus knew this –
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 5:32
Adultery is included in fornication.
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@Cracker
What about emotional cheating, does it still means that she hates you?, do you have to dump her as well even is she has´t fucked any other guy?
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CH is more qualified to answer this question than i am
but i’d say if you nip it in the bud before she gets so emotionally invested that she gives her body to another dude, you may have a chance
aside from soulless sloots who have no problem having meaningless sex just for attention or whatever, most women don’t physically cheat until they are already emotionally invested in the other man. so it’s just a matter of how far along it’s gotten. once she’s gone so far as to welcome another man into her bed and body, there’s no recovery in my opinion
OTOH, even if she hasn’t gone to the ultimate limit and slutted it up with another dude, if your girl is emotionally cheating on you, you’re already in big trouble. that means she lost attraction, shut off a part of her heart to you, and willingly opened it up to another man.
a girl with good values and a conscience may never get past that point and she could stay faithful even if her heart is somewhere else. depends on the girl.
as far as what to do to repair things, best thing you can do is use dread game. it’s mentioned here a lot because it’s a winning strategy. i’m sure you can find posts on it in the archives
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Me too.
I think she has to convince herself she hates him so she doesn’t hate herself for cheating on him.
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yep
as long as she can find a reason to blame him for everything, she doesn’t have to own up to what a crap person she is
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And women are experts at finding/inventing “reasons” for blaming a man for absolutely anything and everything that they do, that happens randomly, etc. Once they’ve decided that a particular man is “wrong,” then he can do no right again, ever.
Hell, as a last resort, they’ll even fall back to “why didn’t you STOP me from doing that? It must mean you wanted me to!”
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Do NOT be like this twit– she hates him for not attending to her “needs.”

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Epic fail. You guys are using the word “hate” all wrong. Woman stray when The Hamster loses Its tinglezzzezes & Its mistress comes to be bored and even disgusted at the sight of the beta schlub couch potato of her LTR.
Woman stray because of ennui, purposelessness, hopelessness & despair*, and in search of excitement, danger, anger, rage & passion.
If anything, they hate-l0ve the Alpha who plows them out of their ennui and back into ecstasy again.
And they hate themselves for having wasted so many precious 0vulation cycles on beta schlub couch potato.
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*And here’s a extreme Black Pill, not just for the newbies, but even for those who fancy themselves to be Evopsych cynics: Fertile m@rried women will stray when they are disgusted with THEIR CH!LDREN sired by a beta schlub couch potato.
When you first see this in a woman’s eyes – that her ch!ldren disgust her, and that she’ll gladly abandon them to run off with a Chad like you – it feels like Satan just thrust his icy cold talons right through your heart.
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Women need passion.
Love equals hate equals passion, therefore tingles.
Women stray when they lose passion.
Why does it occur to the beta husband? She’s run out of passion-heavy events with him, e.g. wedding day, “I’m pregnant day,” first baby day, new home in suburbs day, etc…
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It’s sort of equivalent to the dark triad. Like the mirror image. Most men don’t ever see it, or if they do they can’t believe what they just saw. But it is there to some degree in every woman.
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DiG, the original version of that poast [before I edited it back down to so that it could sneak around past The St@ck] ended with “The Hamster is a Psychopath.”
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Agreed.
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Once again right on the money CH. I felt awful about cheating on my ex-bitch till I realized she LIKED it.
As much as you might not want to, you gotta divorce your guilt when you “betray” a woman. Betraying a woman is not like betraying a man. When you betray a man he’ll feel exactly as you would if you were betrayed. When you betray a woman, it gives her tingles. They are completely different animals.
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You betray a woman by turning into a “kept” spineless pu$$y or an emotionally-incontinent gamma.
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That’s a good way to put it. This sho le be disseminated to young men as a matter of course.
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I used to feel empathy but women have taught us better than that my friend
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It’s all about what the cheating does to her status among her peers.
If you cheat with a woman who is prettier than her, but yet come back to her, it raises her status among her peers. If you cheat with the frumpy cleaning lady, it lowers her status, would be humiliating to her, and she will never forgive you.
With women, it’s all about peer-status.
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This subthread has the right idea.
Don’t become beta schlub couch potato loser.
Be Chad, Chadder, Chaddest, from now until they bury you in the cemetery.
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The patron saint of alt-right neomasculinity?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_of_Mercia
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[…] Ugly Truth Of The Day […]
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Come the zombie apocalypse, I’ve informed the LTR that I plan on being a warlord with a crew and a bevy of concubines.
She said that she wasn’t amused.
Didn’t act like it, later on though.
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Come the apocalypse, you will need to be surrounded by lots of blood relatives. Other people it is too hard to trust. That is the tragedy that makes small families (nuclear families) a very bad way to prepare for the coming troubles.
A man’s wealth will be measured in cousins.
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Agreed 100%
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Agree with the truism of blood being thicker than water. Soft times loosen up the bonds though.
Mutual suffering, i.e. hard times, however makes ties of kinship almost as strong as those of blood. Given what’s likely coming, pray that European men can unite beyond the closest of blood ties.
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Bitches like da hard menz…
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“When a woman cheats, odds are she’ll fuck the man with whom she cheats harder, longer, deeper than she has ever fucked her husb4nd or boyfriend.”
I suppose the very fact of her having a committed boyfriend will force the man with whom she is hoping to eventually cheat to show self-control, patience, and challenge until she finally feels the time is right to give herself to him. It’s a dynamic that’s completely absent when the girl is single and available.
You could think of it as yet another subconscious way girls have of weeding out gammas, those with short time preferences, and other such immature types.
As for m4rriages — along the lines of what C H said, I wouldn’t be surprised if those that result from a woman cheating on a boyfriend are actually more stable than those that result from her being single and available.
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Like this iconic American movie:
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i think you may be right about this
my ex ended up staying with the guy she cheated on me with for a lot longer than she was with me.
it eventually fell apart because she’s messed up in a lot of ways but from what i’ve heard from mutual friends, it was him who ditched her, not the other way around. my guess is, she would have stayed with him if he’d have her. probably would have stayed faithful to him too
if i had been the man of her dreams and she felt the way she should have about me, she wouldn’t have had any desire to stray in the first place. totally different story with that guy.
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Way overthinking the chick. NOT worth it. Move on. There are many like her, except with different fucked-up shit. And don’t try to dissect that one either. Every one of them has stuff to deal with. Have your fun with em and when it all gets to be too drama-laden, bolt for the door.
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ah man. i left her in the dust ages ago. best decision i ever made and i currently have a terrific girl
nothing wrong with sharing a story among friends my man
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Don’t think too much about it; women sure don’t. She got what she wanted– fucked and dumped. If she didn’t, she wouldn’t have done that.
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@Anonymous
i only think about her when on here discussing theories about relationships
got over her a long time ago so i don’t lose any sleep over that situation
share my story to help others see they aren’t alone in all this. also to remind myself how far i’ve come. actually feels good to recall it knowing i’m on the other side of it now. funny how those bad situations can bring a lot of good to your life
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Cracker, the key here is to be brutally honest with yourself – go to that Dark Place, stare into The Abyss – figure out your weaknesses which disgusted her Hamster & rework your Inner Frame & become an even chaddier Chad & never make those mistakes again.
Evolve into a better man, or else prepare for the Red Queen to dispense with you.
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Your goal is to become the Chad who choke-phucks the Red Queen in her @ss – the Chad for whom she sheds a tear every night when she’s lying all alone in bed, because she can never be satisfied again by any other man.
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i did that captain. and my first step in becoming a better man was to stop trying to fix a broken woman and make a shitty situation work. i dumped her skanky ass and moved on to better girls. best thing i ever did and i improved myself a lot after that.
having said that, it does matter what kind of girl you pick to spend your life with. i’m still the same man in a lot of ways and get a different response from healthy well adjusted girls than i did from my ex.
gotta to choose wisely. if you don’t, you’re in for a lifetime of stress, hard work, and pain. pick well, and it’s not so hard, she adds to your life in positive ways, and makes your life easier.
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xYour goal is to become the Chad who choke-phucks the Red Queen in her @ss…”
lol’d, Cap… brilliant.
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another thing i learned from that situation is that i didn’t have to change into the kind of man she wanted. didn’t realize it until after the fact but she was a trash girl and got off on men being pretty brutal, crass, foul mouthed, etc. hardcore asshole chad is her type and that’s not my style.
her cheating was a wake up call. i realized that i was never going to be particular flavor of man she needed. but i also had no desire to become that for her. suddenly realized she wasn’t worth it and i’d be better off without her and finding a better girl
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Cracker, her Hamster sniffed some weakness in you which It you which it did not sniff in Chad.
Maybe her Hamster was disgusted at the way you obsessed over your 2000 sq ft vintage Lionel toy train collection lying there all neat & tidy in your mother’s basement, whereas It was titllated because Chad did NOT obsess over his vintage Harley Davidson motorcycle collection which was scattered throughout his various plates’ garages.
Or maybe it was simpler than that: Maybe her Hamster was disgusted at the way you debased yourself by remaining faithful to a crazy train-wreck of a slag like her, whereas her Hamster knew instinctively that Chad would never allow himself to be humiliated like that.
Whatever the answer is [for any particular guy who has just been stabbed in the back by any particular girl], you have got to go to that Dark Place, stare into The Abyss, be brutally honest with yourself, and emerge from it a Better Man.
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Cracker is touching on something that sometimes gets overlooked in discussions of Game, I believe.
Game works, yes. But you only WANT it to work if there is some underlying level of willingness to cooperate in the female half of the equation (assuming that you’re not just going to pump and dump within a few days).
You CAN persuade a woman with a hostile, detestable, or simply utterly incompatible personality to be with you for a while with Game. But it isn’t an absolute panacea. If there is a certain level of basic divergence in personality you’re just papering over a disaster which WILL emerge eventually regardless of your “frame.”
Women are naturally submissive, even the a**holes. That does not mean that they are naturally blank, however. There IS a person there, and if that person is sufficiently alien in their purposes and beliefs, sufficiently contrarian and determined to find a weak point that will let them despise you, or sufficiently crazy and emotionally screwed up, then someday you will falter and they will pounce. Nobody is perfect.
All women will make you game them. However, IMO, it’s best to focus on the ones who want you to win, rather than the ones who are always probing to make you lose. Nobody is Chad 24/7/365 for their entire life. The women who overlook the occasional lapse — with a more relaxed, even-tempered personality, generally — are worth 1,000 of the ones who are watching like a hawk for that tiny window of opportunity to de-Chad you in their own mind at least and turn your life into hell.
By all means, gentlemen, game — but game women with an obliging, cooperative streak rather than the ones with a chip on their shoulder and icy bitchiness in their heart. (Excluding brief screws, as noted.)
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another great comment Ironsides
you put into words what i could not explain well myself. much appreciated.
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Cap’n, IMO, you’re way off base riding Cracker’s @ss here. You seem to be taking the position that G@me is this fucking panacea that turns water into wine, cures cancer, and flies to the moon.
G@me is necessary. G@me works. But w0m3n are NOT blanks. “Naturally subm1ss1ve” does NOT mean “zero differences, zero personality, can become anything.”
Some w0men are more stable, relaxed, friendly, and better-n@tured. Others are ill-n@tured, quarrelsome, spiteful, obnoxious, cr@zy, or just totally divergent in their goals and beliefs.
All wahmen need to be g@med, but some WANT you to win, and others are always looking for a way to make you lose. The first will be a lot more pleasant to be around and will probably be with you a long time. The second WILL eventually find a way to make you l0se.
If you have a guard dog you occasionally need to put in its pl@ce, you have a tough guard dog. If you have to keep your foot on its neck CONSTANTLY, every waking minute, you WILL be dog food eventually, because everyone slips. Dog #2 isn’t worth it.
You keep saying “fix it, fix it, fix it, man!” Well, Cracker DID fix it. He became a better man by realizing that not every situation is winnable. Not every w0man is worth g@ming or will stay g@med. He realized that
Frankly, you sound like a blue piller with those poasts. “You just got to CHANGE, man, and she’ll be all over you! Get rid of whatever she decides isn’t Alpha enough and she’ll like you!” No, a real fucking Ch@d finds a woman who is C0MPL1@NT enough to surrender to his G@me and overlook his foibles. Do you really think that constantly changing yourself to suit the H@mster’s whims is a w1nning str@tegy?
You don’t get rid of the Harley. You get rid of the brawd who, when you say “Shut up and polish the chrome,” DOESN’T go and get the polishing cloth and microcrystalline wax to PLEASE you. THAT’S Frame, not jumping around like a monkey to “remake” yourself in the image of what the H@mster allegedly wants. Find a wench WILLING to surrender to you and make her surrender.
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much appreciated Ironsides
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couldn’t have said it better myself
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“figure out your weaknesses which disgusted her Hamster & rework your Inner Frame & become an even chaddier Chad & never make those mistakes again.”
What’s funny is that this past year I’ve been getting a mulligan for my worst crash-and-burn a decade ago, where a hot girl with a boyfriend showed definite interest in me but I got panicky and flubbed it up. (After she moved, she cheated on the boyfriend with a different dude and m4rried him… go figure.)
If anything, the current girl is more attractive than the previous one: taller, with kinder eyes.
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“but some WANT you to win, and others are always looking for a way to make you lose”
Yeah, if she likes the motto Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc, she’s most likely of the latter kind.
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that’s a great line
also this
“If you have a guard dog you occasionally need to put in its pl@ce, you have a tough guard dog. If you have to keep your foot on its neck CONSTANTLY, every waking minute, you WILL be dog food eventually, because everyone slips. Dog #2 isn’t worth it.”
Ironsides nailed this comment
COTM material right here
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“Find a wench WILLING to surrender to you and make her surrender.”
@Ironsides
I think you’re missing something here. I should point out that Cracker’s first girlfriend obviously liked the dude she cheated on him with, but HE dumped her because she was too messed up.
She was obviously not trying to make sure the other dude lost.
To put it another way: her internal wiring as far as finding a man she liked obviously worked… but her other issues screwed things up.
All women work like that. The key is to figure out how to attract them, then find one who is less messed up.
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Cracker is still obsessing about the b!tch after all these months [years? whatever].
That means his subconscious knows that there’s some weakness in there which her Hamster sniffed out.
And until he figures out what that weakness was, and fixes it [once and for all], he’s gonna keep obsessing about the b!tch [spreading her legs for Chad, instead of for him].
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not obsessing at all my man
since when did sharing a story that might be of value to others considered obsessing?
it’s called reflecting and sharing our lessons with others. hopefully to help others avoid making the same mistakes
sure, she found something she considered weakness in her eyes. but so the hell what. she is a messed up chick. what she saw as weakness, others see as strength. one girl’s beta loser is another girl’s chad.
i am that chad for my current girl and the others i knew before her. have no interest in becoming the twisted version of a chad that screwed up girls like her need to have to be happy.
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Maybe his vulnerability was simply that Cracker was hurt-able, and she delighted in hurting him, and her Hamster yearned for a Chad who couldn’t be hurt by a slag like her.
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“sure, she found something she considered weakness in her eyes. but so the hell what”
So the hell what is YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WEAKNESS WAS, correct your Inner Frame, and never make that mistake again.
Then you can finally stop obsessing about this skank and move on with your life.
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Ironsides for the win.
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My rule of thumb for dealing with girls with boyfriends who flirt with you, that I have developed over the years:
Treat them as if you think of them as just a dear friend — yet at the same time without rejecting them sexually. Ambiguity, IOW.
Her hamster will do the work, convincing her that you 1) are cool and alpha, and 2) lurve her, even though (because?) you haven’t made any courtship moves on her at all.
Plumpjack put it nicely a while back: be the sneaky heat-seeking missile. Flying high, in the background, without a care in the world, ready to pounce once she’s burning hot for you.
Remember, you’re doing both her and her boyfriend a favor by torpedoing their joke of a relationship.
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This is core evo-psych. Sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. If a husband gives away his sperm to someone else, who cares? He can inseminate another women a few hours later. A woman’s eggs are very expensive – if she gives it to another guy, obviously she doesn’t give a damn for the guy that put a ring on it by keeping that womb from him for 9+ months.
That’s why virginity is valued so much more for women than men. When a woman cheats and it results in a baby that the guy mistakenly thinks is his, it is catastrophic to her husband’s ability to proliferate his genes. When a husband cheats, even if he has kids, it did not have any impact on the wife’s ability to spread her genes in most of human history.
Asian cultures aren’t infected by the obsession with individual rights that Western countries are, so I think they are a better survival option for the long term.
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Yes, we know, no matter what happens to the west Asia will remain full of streets being shit in. Very comforting.
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I got more respect for street shitters in Asia that know who they kids belong to, than White people in Europe who let their women cuckold around
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Yes, I know Indians are inferior to the white man…but yet still no coherent response to the China threat from the alt-right.
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The alt right response to China is the same as to India. Both are countries full of shitskins who don’t belong in white countries and both can be trading partners so long as any deals are mutually beneficial.
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I’m think by ‘threat of China’ he means the thing people in Europe worried about in the 19th and early 20th century. Namely it is a country with a shitload of people all relatively unified and relatively on the same level as whites.
In short, a competitor.
The problem depends on how much the Chinese engage in screwing each other over versus how much they spend working together. Worse case scenario is the Chinese government decides it really likes a world filled with the black haired folk and uses genetic engineering and bioweapons to make that a reality. Nuclear weapons have a shelf life before the radioactives break down after all.
A more mild scenario is the US breaks down, food shipments to Africa and the Middle East stop, famine and plague hit and the Chinese sweep in and we are faced with a future with 3/4 a billion whites and 3 billion Chinese.
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The Chinese are a problem, but I think the Alt-Right might have one or two slight hurdles to address before they start formulating large-scale policy towards other countries.
So far as I know, we don’t even occupy a single local sheriff’s office or town clerk’s post, let alone have people in place to determine U.S. foreign policy.
“Red Pill Indian’s” question is a bit like asking some guy trying to pay the rent with three part-time minimum wage jobs why he hasn’t addressed the burning question of choosing the decor for his CEO’s office at his multimillion dollar corporation.
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@ Red Pill Indian
Please go away.
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Well, they’re certainly infected with other obsessions, so let’s not go there.
There is much to admire in Japanese culture, and they seem to return the favor.
As far as pure numbers go, China and India obviously have a survival advantage at first glance… nuclear solutions aside, who knows what sort of plague can arise and make the numbers issue moot?
A separation of nations and cultures is what works best, provides the most diversity, and one would have to assume was God’s intention.
On a side note, I don’t mind RedPillIndian hanging ’round chere… yeah, I know, pretty White of me, eh? I get the vibe from him he seems reasonable enough, and an honest dissenting voice keeps the rest of youze yeggs on your toes.
But that other clown, PunkWedgie, the chateau’s got no use for.
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Which comes first, the hating or the unfaithfulness? Kinda answers itself. Women probably hate the fact the beta man made them cheat. Look at you made me do……paging Taylor Swift….
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I’d have to guess the hating. They most likely selected him because he was eager to offer his commitment and she was single… and figured she’d might as well use him as a tool to test the worthiness of other dudes out there.
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First comes the loss of respect, then comes the hating and last comes the cheating.
Though they can jump from loss of respect to cheating and bypass the hating.
Once she loses respect for you, you’re done.
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Can’t decide whether to sh1t or go blind with the options – I’m going on a campaign of rejecting women from the get-go. Gonna respond to even passing glances with ‘I’m not available’ – reject, reject, reject – my new modus operandi.
“Can I pet your dog” – You’re not my type
“Would you like your receipt” – Stop hitting on me
“Press the button for 5th floor” – I’m dating someone
“Good Morning…” – Too bad, I’m gay .. Try that guy
I was all in for ‘Approach Week’ – but their behavior recently has me fed up – her comes ‘Rejection Week’ – And I’m not feeling the lease bit anxious about it.
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How much of a retarded sheep faggot oozed out normie monkey would one have to be to put (((Alexa))) in your home?
Poolside?
Read this. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-07/amazon-admits-alexa-creepily-laughing-people
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We are surrounded by absolute RETARDS.
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If some retarded normie relative ever gave me ((((Alexa))) as a gift I would literally smash it with a hammer immediately and throw it away.
Stupid fucking sheep.
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Pozzed out.
Put what I type, jewphone.
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Oozed out works, too.
Sadly, they’ll probably sell MORE of the things now. People will be wanting to see what “creepy” things (((Alexa))) does or laughs at. MPAI, after all.
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It’s like an episode from the Black Mirror series.
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Clearly, Amazon needs to hire more H1B labour to fix the problem. Maybe outsource the whole thing.
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A lot of those H1B clowns do have that creepy type of snark about them.
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When a woman cheats, odds are she’ll fuck the man with whom she cheats harder, longer, deeper than she has ever fucked her husband or boyfriend.;;””””””””””’
for most of us sex with same chick slows down by the time they cheat yea maybe more than that period but prob not more than ever otherwise why were they husband boyfriend in first place unless dude settled for some chick who isn’t his optimum fuck type to begin with.
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ie honeymoon phase ends and what do you have after
unless I have missed out on the one the honeymoon never ends and I still need to find that unicorn
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“honeymoon phase ends and what do you have after”
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Find that unicorn?
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nope
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I don’t think too many people have 69’d for 5 hours straight like me and ex ex or maybe I am wrong or fucked for 48
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was that all the time did it slow down yes
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The joke was that they call it a 69 because that was the last year anyone did it. Must be wrong.
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“unless dude settled for some chick who isn’t his optimum fuck type to begin with”
I’d think that in that kind of situation, the dude would be more likely to cheat than the chick.
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the intensity of the hate is directly proportional to the “goodness” of the man
it is her way to justify the obvious transgression that would otherwise deny her
“higher moral ground” which in an emotionally driven universe of a confused female mind is indispensable as are 14563 word she has to utter each day
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This post ties in nicely with my speculations about what is going on at deeper psychic levels that are mostly beyond the gasp of conscious awareness (but does leak into subliminal awareness from time to time, and as such, is subject to conscious analysis, but by the subliminal nature of this dynamic – controversially so)
Here goes said speculations:
Mental point of origin (a term used alot over at RM), for each person, necessarily, by way of biological imperative, is themselves. Furthermore, the idea of the identity of ‘themselves’, as individual, cannot be meaningfully isolated from the idea of the group, as the ‘individual/species’ is a polarity. Furthermore the ‘group’, or ‘species’, cannot be meaningfully separated from the metaphysics, and as such ‘species/metaphysics’ also forms a polarity.
Now, within the normative replicative apparatus of mammalian species, gender is also a polarity. So ….. perhaps identity is best seen as:
– member of the metaphysics
– member of the species
– member of a gender
Because of this apparent nesting of inter-active levels of polarities, so implied, … identity itself is rather nebulous, both dissociative as well as crushingly recursively hyper-personal. As such identity itself is a polarity of the ‘dissociative/self-referential’ perspectives.
As such, to understand someone else’s current manifestation of identity (which is necessarily ever-changing due to the challenge posed by the inter-active natue of levels of polarity) one needs to understand where their current identity emphasis lies – metaphysics? group or species? gender?
Now, where this all gets especially confusing is within the realm of the gender polarity itself. Because, for humans (and for a whole lot of other species in fact), the male perspective tends more-so towards the self-referential perspective (‘I will’, …. or perhaps even more accurately ‘I am will’) and the female perspective tend more-so towards the dissociative perspective (‘I am’ …. or perhaps even more accurately ‘I will am’).
Now, since the western experiment is about the ascendancy of the responsible individual, …. responsible for the consequences of the outcomes borne of the activity of self-agency, we have two main tendencies within the western camp as to understanding around ‘personal responsibility’. The more-so dissociative female approach, rooted in the ‘I will am’ perspective, tends to see said personal responsibility in terms of outcomes for negotiated status interpretations (emphasizing the ‘individual/species’, or ‘individual/group’ polaric level). The more-so self-referential male approach, rooted in the ‘I am will’ perspective, tends to see said personal responsibility in terms of outcomes for negotiated reality interpretations, emphasizing the ‘species/metaphysics’, or the ‘group/metaphysics’ polaric level. (Reality interpretations, are manifestations of the metaphysics, and as such, to be clear, more precisely, are ‘relative-reality-interpretations’).
This is more or less where we are today. A growing conflict over status interpretations vs. relative-reality-interpretations, within the context of the ‘responsible individual’ concept. Now ….. during more static conditions, the expectation would be that status and relative-reality-interpretation quality are intimately related. Want to get a good bearing on the relative-reality? – seek the opinion of those with status would be the prescription under more static conditions. But not so now. Status value is no longer a good correlate of relative-reality-interpretation value. The current hyper-dynamic cultural conditions have reduced the efficacy of the female default perspective that provides negotiated status interpretations. So in the current phase of humanity’s groping forward (particularly within the western experiment), women’s opinion, generally, more-so should be massaged (i.e. – magnanimously discounted) by way of this understanding I am outlining here. When a new worthy ‘I am will’ masculine perspective emerges, that produces a clearer direction for negotiated relative-reality-interpretations, the female status making machine will right itself. We are probably on the cusp of that, in the west, despite appearances otherwise. The new human form probably cannot emerge without the quasi-existential cultural challenges we are now facing.
As such, I am more optimistic than many about the future.
In a nutshell …… men seek better relative-reality-interpretations. Women judge the efficacy of said interpretations. But it is critical to note that women do not base said judgments on abstract measures such as logic, or analysis of downstream pragmatic considerations (because such measures are actually within the domain of the male relative-reality-interpretation-operation-proper). Women instead base said judgments on what male relative-reality-interpretation nuances bring to the table, resource-wise, for the group. Status is conferred accordingly, by way of sexual arbitration (trading sexual access to women for winning resource accrual strategies as operated by men). This inter-gender dynamic is far from perfect, but nevertheless is powerful enough, relative to other species, to bring mankind towards planetary ascendancy. Note that this inter-gender dynamic is very resilient (as it has weathered all the cultural experiments produced by said dynamic, during mankind’s rise out of the resource-poor condition most of life is subject to, towards condition marked more-so by resource richness). Now, particularly in the west, this inter-gender dynamic has produced conditions that are changing so fast, that women’s tendency to judge male relative-reality-interpretation efficacy based on resource-accrual success (a medium term judgment horizon) is more and more-so becoming a glitch (a glitch that only becomes apparent by way of the outsized success of this particular inter-gender system), because our success is now more and more-so built upon larger and larger male relative-reality-interpretation plays, that routinely put accrued resource stocks at risk, that now require longer time horizons to judge in masculine terms (i.e. – judged by way of the masculine proclivity towards analysis of downstream pragmatic considerations as one of the several strategies implied by masculine relative-reality-interpretation-operation). As such, particularly in the west, it appears like the inter-gender dynamic has becomes unhinged (maybe even permanently). Women’s modus operandi, with respect to selecting those men for which status will be conferred, is now producing confounding results, and as such, if female-conferred status is no longer a good correlate of better relative-reality-interpretation-operation, what has happened now imo, is that ‘status’ as meaningful measure, worthy of measuring roughly in alignment with better masculine relative-reality-interpretation-operation, and trading said status measure, for sexual access to females, has becomes somewhat undone. Female-conferred status, under the current conditions, is not a leading indicator of much of anything now. As such, perceptive men see this, and as appropriate, discount the female-conferred status operation. As such, sexual arbitration, by way of honoring women’s traditional role as status-conferrers, and a male willingness to operate within that traditional dynamic, allowing for sexual access to females to be traded (by women) for access to male status, is not a dynamic that such perceptive men are now subject to. As such, those men most likely to have more success in terms of seeking better reality-interpretation operation (the more perceptive men) tend to see female approval (or disapproval) for their endeavors, as per nuisance value only. In this way, the traditional arbitration dynamic for sexual access to females has been eroded, and this erosion has grown to the point where the traditional arbitration dynamic is in danger of being completely discounted. Note that under such conditions, naturally, the value of sexual access to females will be discounted (not because such leading indicator men are undervaluing the actual sexual access so much, no …. it’s more-so because the women, in their confusion, have now more-so tended towards discounting sexual access to females, because now women can’t get a good bearing on the status valuations around which they have traditionally traded it for).
Now – the question becomes – this inter-gender dynamic around trading sexual access to females for resource accrual success, which is codified as male status, which traditionally has been a rough correlate of the masculine relative-reality-interpretation-operation, upon which said resource accrual success is actually contingent …… is this inter-gender dynamic becoming permanently unhinged, or are the current cultural conditions just evidence for a new chapter unfolding with respect to the evolution of this dynamic?
It is hard to tell because the masculine collective has not coalesced around a more novel expression of the masculine ‘I am will’ perspective. We cannot really judge whether the quandary faced by women by way of the erosion of their status judgment machinery, is a permanent glitch or not, until we see how it may meet the challenge of a novel expression of the masculine ‘I am will’ perspective, once some male consensus is formed around such. I for one would not bet against men (particularly western men) with respect to success in said endeavor.
TLDR ads tie-in with this CH post: From a moral perspective, the template of the female psyche demands that women tend to see personal responsibility in terms of outcomes for negotiated status interpretations, and as such, when assigning moral judgments around culpability or virtue, will tend to equate masculine culpability or virtue in terms of a man’s perceived status. But it’s like this:
female assignment of masculine virtue/culpability masculine status
As per the double-arrowed nature of the relationship between these two sets of female abstractions, in the female mind, the causation can work both ways, like this:
female assignment of masculine virtue/culpability – > assignment of masculine status.
and like this:
assignment of masculine status – > female assignment of masculine virtue/culpability
Since the female sexual nature is to want to fuck status, if she extraneously chases that when already in a relationship, she is thereby, de-facto-ly discounting the status of her original romantic partner, and as such, by the above dynamic, must also discount his virtue and mark-up his culpability.
This female moral-psycho dynamic is also why women like romance novel fantasy, why she is so easily misled by a good hard visceral fucking (because since her sexual nature is to want to fuck status, if the fucking feels real good, it must mean high status/high virtue), explains why the #metoo movement looks so childish to men, at least men who are not ((( ))), why she hates the word ‘cunt’ (because her moral nature is so much so at the mercy of her sexual nature, and the ‘cunt’ word is understood by women to insinuate that, and they don’t like to be reminded of that), why she tends to raise her sons to be ‘good boys’ even though that doesn’t rally serve her motivations towards obtaining rising status except by way of mother-on-son non-sexual coercion, why she may well support virulent feminism (which at root is just a treatise on this female moral dynamic), why Stormy Daniels (and her ilk) most likely thinks her current actions are moral, why she so easily falls for ((( ))) manipulations, why women are so prone to pre-selection ploys, etc. etc. etc.
Interesting times. What has happened (particularly in the west), is that we have entered an era where the ‘resource provision’ by which women have traditionally operated their male-status-sorting moral nature, is more and more-so not about material resources per se, but about the provision of the abstract resource that masters the material. She is confused by this and now lost. If feminine status-sorting is confounded by the current level of complexity in the cultural system (which is my current speculation), so that feminine status-sorting is no longer roughly aligned as a correlate of masculine world-sorting ….. this is tantamount to women losing efficacy within their key moral metric. Like I said above, female-conferred status, under the current conditions, is not a leading indicator of much of anything now, and should be more or less ignored.
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That is to say, we need hard times and hard men again.
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@ guest “we need hard times and hard men again.”
And we are certainly going to get them. Good and hard. Look carefully at this image. Give some thought to what it means.
How much longer do you suppose that Wily Coyote of a red line can keep hanging out in the air like that? This situation will forge the hardest men ever known.
https://ibb.co/kTupA7
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now there’s the REAL ugly truth of the day.
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This may be the longest comment I’ve ever actually tried to read.
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War and Peace length posts, I can’t even.
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And I thought “I” was verbose.
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Zzzzzzzzz…zzzzz…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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WordPress didn’t show the double-arrow;
“female assignment of masculine virtue/culpability masculine status ”
should read:
female assignment of masculine virtue/culpability (insert double arrow here) masculine status
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Which chapter was that in?
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O/t: Tucker skewers neocon wormtongue Bolton:
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but is tucker going to say anything ’bout (((this)))
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which of course was just a rhetorical question
jeez the amount of (((slavery))) reaches the levels previously thought impossible even dumbya looks like an anti-semite compared to the current administration
stabbing at back of the most woke European nation
Let’s hear trump cultists on the issue
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cuckortesaaaaar!
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Poland should just tell America to go pound sand and to stop meddling in other people’s democracies. Lol
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Trump is a fat, money-grubbing buffoon who has Jewish grandchildren. It is not difficult to see whose side he is really on – yes, you guessed it, the Jews.
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The Jewish grandkids were worrying from the first. One might wonder if Trump is wise to the JQ, has analyzed the situation, decided that Whites are done for, and took deliberate steps to transform his family into Jews, so that they would survive as part of the new (((ruling class))) lording it over the brown hordes.
Or it might have just been a matter of convenience at that particular moment with no long-range idea in mind at all. Only time will tell, presumably.
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And he is your President. Suck it.
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Or it could be that Ivanka is a little shekel-grubbing cunt who just wanted to get her ticket punched.
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like many other goyim you apply your binary thinking to the JQ. all J3ws bad. all goyim either stupid or trait0rs. it’s a bit more complex than that.
you also make the mistake of confusing J-ews for apex predat0rs, which they are not. they are more like a vast opportunistic webwork of paras1tes filling every possible available niche that host societ1es create, and which have a wide range in function from helpful symbi0sis to full-on self-destructive parasit1sm, depending on the condition and pushback from the h0st.
the WORST mistake your making is underestimating your own kind. not ALL goy1m sit back and let the J-ews take them for fools. a few are smart enough (Trump) to use their J-ewish allies to further they’re ambitious agendas. when you’re MORE ambitious, determined, focused, and predat0ry than the J-ews are, then they cease to be a problem.
but if you just want to sit back and be left alone, and never lift a finger doing the tedious work of fighting to keep your own cultural narrative going, and keeping your own communit1es cohesive and strong, but prefer instead to pursue your more-enjoyable hobbies, until things are so bad that you have no other choice but to pick up a sword again, then yes, you’re going to have a J-ew problem.
Trump has earned the right to do whatever he wants/needs to do in order to further his agenda, whatever that is. don’t like it? go buy some real estate and start building your empire. you’ll find out very quickly how useful J-ews can be. you may even find out how much some of them prefer the company of ambitious, honorable goys over some of their more unscrupulous peers.
nuanced thinking. give it a try sometime.
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Wow – this Bolton guy just smugly and arrogantly revealing himself as a multi-channel terrorism-monger. What a piece of shit. Dirty rat shit. Cockroach shit. It’s this type of fork-tongued jew-speak (Bolton you are either an complete idiot or a sell-out – probably both) displayed by many in American leadership that gives rise to contempt for American governance around the world. It’s too bad – because America otherwise is so fine in many ways and holds such promise. Being squandered by the likes of this shithead and his many brethren.
Trump was once considering this guy for an advisory position and might be again? If that consideration turns out to be other than the famous Trump double-fake ….. man ……I don’t even wanna think about it.
America is the west’s leader. Trump: right the ship already. Normalizing international affairs in accordance with western values was YOUR PRIMARY CAMPAIGN PLANK. If you don’t get that right – nothing else matters. Clear the decks of all neocons NOW. Hey – while your at it – maybe get that Tucker Carlson guy on board. That’s a guy who could do your cause a lot of good on the inside.
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Yeah, that was painful to watch… the fact that these neocon fucks are even given the time of day anymore, let alone allowed to drone on with the same old lies, shows you that FOX is still just allowed opposition and really not that much different than the rest of the (((MSM))) rogues’ gallery.
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He looks like Mark Twain if Mark Twain was a fag.
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Rumours of his heterosexuality have been greatly exaggerated.
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Dishonest old fuck keeps fiddling in his coat pocket.
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He does it when Tucker is gearing up to speak and it interrupts Tucker’s thought pattern. I think we are hard-wired to focus on someone not showing their hands, like they are reaching for a weapon.
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You call that “skewering”? He let the neocon clown drone on and on, even allowing himself to be insulted as “simple minded”, and didn’t counter anything except with his usual “so, you think…?” questions that allows the other guy to continue to drone on and on, and actually sound, to the average ‘Murrican anyway, like maybe the “experienced statesman” has a point.
The narrative of “our greatest and only ally in the ME” remains unchallenged.
Finally at the end Tucker snarks a little about the other guy’s record, but the other guy still gives a salvo as good as he’s gotten.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
Sorry, yeggs, but every time I see a video where Tucker allegedly destroys a debate foe, it comes across as weak sauce, and the foe often comes out looking good.
Just because WE know these foes are full of shit and got their haids so far up Israel’s ass you’d think Schlomo was a yarmulke doesn’t mean Tucker’s doing a good job to the average blue-pilled or neutral observer.
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OT and this is why we lose (amirite, Greg)
https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/this-business-charged-white-people-more-than-twice-as-much-as-minorities-heres-how-customers-reacted.html
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Off topic but worth a look.
Tucker: Something ominous is happening to men in America.
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I’m glad Tucker is delving into this. Let’s see how his March series plays out. My bet about root causes of the pervasive ongoing demasculinization of western men? Women now hugely suck around their moral proclivity for status-sorting. As such, one of the major prescriptions for solving the conundrum around demasculinization of western men is that men need to see that the appropriate attitude towards women is to discount and ignore women’s status-sorting operations.
Like I said above, female-conferred status, under the current conditions, is not a leading indicator of much of anything now, and should be more or less ignored. What would one consequence of this action be? A new immunity to the mindfucking men are largely now subject to ….. thus reversing one of the major causes of the demasculinization.
If women’s status-sorting operation is bogus under current conditions, it is schizophrenic to attend any value to it – but if you do – it’s mindfuck – > demasculinization. Don’t do that.
Hopefully the ship will the begin to right itself after that. It works that way for individual men – no reason not to think that the culture will begin to right itself, if this male attitude catches on.
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Excellent find, Mustard.
Nothing new for us, but might redpill some normies. All of those effects he notes are deliberate.
The “reason” men won’t fight back is because we are not men today. Our test levels are that of women or very elderly males.
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@Ryu “The “reason” men won’t fight back is because we are not men today. Our test levels are that of women or very elderly males.”
First, haven’t you been told that “we” is a common tell for a Jew pretending to be White? Or do you mean that *you* are not a man? I know that my T levels are fine.
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The reason men won’t fight back is what CH covered in his post “Posse Interruptus.”
Western men are subject to history’s most detailed, pervasive, and effective straitjacket of monitoring and control, and know it. Additionally, all this takes place in a society of such overwhelming size and scale that all individual actions are rendered essentially trivial.
So the choices are, wait, or act up, die uselessly, and be forgotten within five minutes. Unsurprisingly, those who aren’t deeply and su1c1dally depressed choose to wait and see what happens.
Also, quit trying to incite stuff, Federale. Esoteric Kekism is a religion of peace.
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On T, depression, and sperm counts — here’s the 900-pound gorilla in the room:
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yeah, no
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Blond dude immediately struck me as a libshit “fact-checker”… and the video confirmed it.
He didn’t actually debunk the problems about soy… rather he quibbled about the T supplements Paul takes which are taken from a couple of trace chemicals that happen to be found in soy.
Blond dude’s argument is exactly like saying the population of India is really smart because Indian immigrants in the West are, even though India’s average IQ is 87 or so.
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It’s far more than just soy; Xenoestrogens are EVERYWHERE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen
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Which is also why it’s a good idea to avoid foods packaged in plastic. I don’t think plastic is as bad as soy, but I’m sure it does have a bad effect.
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Nice vid.
If Jordan Peterson’s contention about the pervasiveness of postmodernist indoctrination can be logically linked to the current failure of women’s status-sorting operations (which I think there is an excellent case that can be made about the existence of such link), then in effect JP is saying what I said above:
“If women’s status-sorting operation is bogus under current conditions, it is schizophrenic to attend any value to it – but if you do – it’s mindfuck – > demasculinization. Don’t do that”
with ‘female status-sorting operation’ as defined in my very long comment located well above in this thread.
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O/T, (((they))) are at it again.
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And you guessed it, it’s about the shekels.
This Bill before Congress:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/447
Basically means if you can tie a country to the holohoax, (((they))) will be able to rob you blind.
That’s why Poland has enacted a law stopping (((people))) calling these prison camps located in Poland as “Polish death camps”, with the inference being they were run by Poles.
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Our forefathers shoulda fought harder for them Kaisers, and/or shoulda have laughed at the libertegalitefraternite ou-la-mort konzeptum
and then we wouldn’t worry about ((frontrunner)) shenanigans, or the putridan behind the courtain.
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Oink up to his old bizarro-world squid ink…
A show of hands… who thinks it’s the WASPS who are pissed at, hence siccing their kike lackeys upon, the Polish people… who rightfully don’t want their names (and resources) dragged in the Hollow Cost bizness?
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Stormy Daniels is 1% as hot as Melania. WTH?
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http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/03/07/the-suffering-of-south-africans-may-redeem-the-west/
Yet the JEW that controls our occupied country has ensured that whites from South Africa cannot come here and whites from Hungary, Poland, etc who just want to come here and work hard can’t even get a driver license and are underground.
Yet Jews have automatic dual citizenship and go back and forth to Israel 8 times a year (don’t work yet have time and money to do this). And Haitians are all allowed to be legal while sucking up welfare, section 8, etc in between when their nigger sons are not terrorizing our streets.
When?
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The deluded entitlement …
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/03/07/single-lindsey-vonn-cant-find-suitable-date.html
Checks so many CH boxes
-a mudshark is a tun off
-wealth & fame does not attract quality white men
-white women over a certain age have an inflated sense of smv
-Vonn if she wants to have babies will now need to settle for a low beta male
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You’d think she would have learned her lesson after Tiger Woods… but no, she just continues on, admitting it even, with the likes of NFL coach Kenan Smith and wanting to hook up with Michael B Jordan (Black Panther).
This is why she lose.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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Never heard of this ho. Went to the link.Ha ha ha,the comments. I thought for a moment I was at the chateau..
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I didn’t think to look at the comments, figuring I’d see the usual blah-blah-blah, she’s so beautiful, she could have any man, I’ll go out with her, etc., etc., etc.
It’s quite heartening to see the gloves come off and folks calling a spade (lover) a spade…
… and quite puzzling that the site allowed those comments to go through.
Then again, abusing a shiksa never was off-limits, amirite? 😉
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just went to the comments after reading this. one or two out of all of them were in support of her. all the rest were ripping her hard.
beautiful sight to see
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Ha ha ha,the comments. I thought for a moment I was at the chateau …
I see suchlike all the time. Any site that still allows comments gets a lot of based commentary on certain subjects.
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Bizarre to see a once respected news agency turn into a marxist front filled with bs.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-43328227
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‘Millions Join Spanish Women’s Strike’
‘Eight Iconic Pictures of Women Protestors’
‘I Sterilized Myself In Secret’ – 3 Indian Women Who Made Choices To Empower Them
‘How Serena Williams, Alex Morgan & others would change their sport’
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Many years ago as a young raider of the stars, I had a few times where after the fact a woman would tell me that she was engaged or married. It was always accompanied by a rant of pure vitriol aimed at said SO, and the rationalozation that my juices still dripping down her chin was entirely HIS fault.
This always came as a surprise to me, as I didn’t fully understand women yet. And had I known of their relationship status, I’d have avoided them altogether. Not for moral reasons, but because I didn’t want some angry beta shooting me or stabbing me.
One girl, memorable for the incredible body she had coupled with the most average face ever, insisted that I finish inside of her repeatedly because her firefighter husband was “too much of a pussy”. Young, drunk me saw no problem with this and did the deed. I wonder if there’s a little SpaceViking, aged 10 or so, running around somewhere.
Women be shoppin.
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I have a special hatred for “therapists” who rationalize female cheating (cf Esther Perel). Even if women are cheating more (and for more varied reasons) than ever, the damage done to the relationship is still the same. It’s fatal.
Yeah, sure, maybe modern cosmopolitan women are fucking around on their boyfriends more (and maybe even their husbands, on their “girl trips”). But I refuse to believe they aren’t damaged by it.
No matter what psycho-babble is currently in fashion, it remains true that pair bonding is crucial to human happiness. When you mess around you’re damaging your ability to pair bound with someone you love, and this holds doubly true for women.
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i think most counselors these days excuse women for everything they do and put all the responsibility and blame on the men in her life.
every woman i’ve known who has gone to counseling is a trainwreck who takes no responsibility for the mess she has made of her life.
and couples who go to counseling always end up worse off. the man gets a long list of things he needs to fix about himself and she gets told she needs more self-care, more support, etc. she also gets a bunch of support for actions because none of it is her fault after all. everything is always the man’s fault.
if you must go to counseling, you have to make sure it’s a man and then still screen him well. as soon as he starts in with the same mumbo jumbo you get from most women, you go find another one. religious counselors are probably the best but a lot of them are just as pussified now so you have to be careful with them too
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“put all the responsibility and blame on the men in her life”
If the ‘men’ are soyboy couch-potato open-mouthed numales, then they DESERVE the blame.
tl;dr == Be the Chad she wants to cheat with, or else prepare to be cheated on by her.
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“if you must go to counseling”
YOU are her counselor, or else she isn’t yours.
Do you think Chad goes to counselors? [Only if they’re female, and he intends to phuck them, too.]
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Billy Bob ‘Cheated On Angelina With Sex Therapist’ http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0058990/
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This times 6 billion.
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Nearing the end of my long marriage I did the marriage counselor thing (woman counselor). And you are right – that is the way it works.
Now what I found interesting about it, is that I’m not allowed to be frank about issues in the relationship that are disrespectful towards my own agency. No traction. This is just shut down in one way or another. But then out of a sense of frustration, several sessions in, I go deeper, and reveal some things about an intense 3-month period of deep derealization that occurred when I was 12 years old, that has marked me for life I would say, with respect to deep realizations about the nature of self-agency itself. OK – guess what – the counselor is all over that in a supportive, appreciative, dare I say gushy way (like now she has a hard-on for me so to speak). Wow – that ends up being the end of the counseling (the counselor’s woman supervisor apparently puts the kibosh on it). Big waste of time. But at least the way it ended didn’t really serve my ex’s agenda for reinforcing and codifying the ‘poor me’ deal.
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that is interesting. counselor took the wife’s side while she saw her as the blameless victim in everything. probably because, like most professional women, she hates men. but when she started thinking of you as a child going through pain, she saw you differently and empathized. funny how her supervisor put the kibosh on it. i’m sure it’s because the counselor wasn’t following protocol. she’s supposed to think you’re evil because you’re a man, god dammit. what a racket.
good it worked in your favor though
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WM, you shoulda gotten the counselor’s number and at least given her some ana1.
Maybe even BUNZ -> OVEN.
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In a related vein of womyn’s psychology, I would imagine strippers and prostitutes hate their male clients, as they would regard them as pitiable sorts who can’t get female attention without resorting to paying for it.
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I think that’s been proven ten times over, to the point its become proverbial.
They may not outright “hate” men, but the vast majority of them certainly look upon males with disdain even greater than a con man towards his pigeon.
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Contempt, or as you say, Greg, disdain, would be more accurate than hate.
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“the vast majority of them certainly look upon males with disdain even greater than a con man towards his pigeon”
Doubtless how The Tribe has looked upon the White race & its universalistic altruism since, well, forever.
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It is weird. Though, at the most basic women are prostitutes by way of the simple definition of one who trades sex for something of value, some resource (which then also means that, at the most basic, men are ‘johns’), most women (and men) don’t want to see it that way. Fair enough – there are good reasons for that – that realization does get in the way of pair-bonding, and pair-bonding is also a human proclivity, …. a psychic script that has brought success for the species.
Then we have the category of actual prostitutes (women who don’t deny that, but embrace it, and form some aspects of their identity around it). What I have noticed though is that that this subset of women tend to be psycho – tend to behave in ways that show contempt for absolutely everybody in their lives (not just clients), but do also tend to have behavioral methods to hide that fact. Imo, this pervasive contempt extends towards contempt for herself as well, and thus the cycle is reinforced. But you can’t really know these realities without getting deeply involved with a pro and I would highly recommend against that.(even if she be on sabbatical from her usual ways while with you). But you might learn a thing or two about human nature (women’s plus men’s as well, by way of your own responses to such dynamic, ….. surprising what one can find out about oneself within such circumstance).
Like they say – you can take the pro away from the street, but you won’t ever remove the street from the pro. Such women are most probably fucked in the head (i.e – psycho) for life.
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There is a whole sub-culture of womyn who act as de facto prostitutes, accepting trips, gifts, and, in some instances, direct financial support, from men to whom they provide their body and sexual gratification, with a compleat absence romantic attachment or interest, or only the flimsiest pretense of interest. I have less respec for these female reprobates than for de jure prostitutes.
And I’m not even talking about the women in less affluent parts of the world, but of those born and bred right in our own backyards.
I was at an all-inclusive resort in the Dominican Republic a few years back and I recall, insofar as they were a man and a woman spending time together, a “couple” who represented this arrangement. A portly, unattractive man in his 30s, with a slightly rough, thuggish French Canadian proletariat countenance squiring around an equally working -class yet hot French girl in her 20s. (Québec Friend will know the type of which I speak for they are ubiquitous in Newfrogland). Anyways, I observed these two poutine niggérs over the course of the week and it was obvious that the girl was just there for the free trip and instawhoré photo ops (posing in a bikini on a low-slung horizontal palm tree over the beach whilst the dude took pictures), looking utterly bored and accompanying him in desultory fashion to the buffets, and equally obvious that the dude wanted a week of easy and guaranteed poosy on lockdown under the tropical sun (although he wasn’t enjoying himself probably because he wanted more out of the “relationship.”).
At various times, I observed them sitting on the beach, and she would get up and join a group of dudes playing frisbee, whilst the French guy would languish on a beach chair, powerless to curtail her frolicking. Or, on a night out at the resort disco, she’d join a group of guys for shots while her consort hung back in the shadows, nursing his fancy-coloured drink, hoping it would end soon. At the end of the week, I spotted them in line at the airport check-in desk, the thatched roof, free samples of rum, a slowly circumnavigating ceiling fans doing nothing to beat back the terror overcoming the dude while the girl chatted with guys way back in the line.
But really, what did this pugnacious Frenchman expect? That they’d have the time of their lives and they’d fall in love on the beach as the sunset? I’m sure he got laid a few times, but not as often as he’d wanted and certainly not with the alacrity we’d like our womyn to proceed with. And I’m sure she stumbled into the room late a few nights, if not at all. Live by the sword, die by the sword, as old man Saunders says.
It’s still winter where I am, and spring break season is well underway for many, so A word to all men considering taking a girl on an island paradise getaway.
They can be wonderful and they can be dreadful. I’ve chosen carefully and fortunately haven’t had any disasters (at least not where I’m stuck with some misbehaving trollop for a whole week). If you wind up there with some “bubbly” thot who wants to be friends with everyone and starts getting friendly with guys on the beach, then you could be in for trouble. But If you’ve been seeing a girl for a few weeks or a few months and things are still new and exciting, and she’s reasonably principled and reputable then it can be glorious, frolicking with her in her bikini, and banging her while the French doors to the balcony are open, the sun setting view over the Caribbean, and the sheer curtains blowing softly with the sea breeze, a half-drunk cold bottle of champagne sitting on the night stand; while the following morning, looking out at the same view, palm trees swaying as you get woken up to a moist lips wrapped tightly around your cock.
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Hasn’t been my experience for the most part. Most are starved for real affection.
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Maybe hookers.
Strippers? Not necessarily, unless the dude is showing a complete lack of Game and resorting to “making it rain”.
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Wild Man
It is weird. Though, at the most basic women are prostitutes by way of the simple definition of one who trades sex for something of value, some resource (which then also means that, at the most basic, men are ‘johns’), most women (and men) don’t want to see it that way. Fair enough – there are good reasons for that – that realization does get in the way of pair-bonding, and pair-bonding is also a human proclivity, …. a psychic script that has brought success for the species.
Then we have the category of actual prostitutes (women who don’t deny that, but embrace it, and form some aspects of their identity around it). What I have noticed though is that that this subset of women tend to be psycho – tend to behave in ways that show contempt for absolutely everybody in their lives (not just clients), but do also tend to have behavioral methods to hide that fact. Imo, this pervasive contempt extends towards contempt for herself as well, and thus the cycle is reinforced. But you can’t really know these realities without getting deeply involved with a pro and I would highly recommend against that.(even if she be on sabbatical from her usual ways while with you). But you might learn a thing or two about human nature (women’s plus men’s as well, by way of your own responses to such dynamic, ….. surprising what one can find out about oneself within such circumstance).
Like they say – you can take the pro away from the street, but you won’t ever remove the street from the pro. Such women are most probably fucked in the head (i.e – psycho) for life.
read “Pimp” by Iceberg Slim.
lots of really nice books recommended in this blog. this one is among the best.
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gig – yes – when it comes to actual pros, Iceberg Slim has got it right. It turns out that such a woman is good for one thing only – fucking. So she can be good for fucking you, and nothing more, no involvement beyond that, or …… if you got it in you, fuck with her head mercilessly so as to pimp her out (i.e – encourage her to do what she does best, go get that money – and bring it to you). And don’t be fooled – it isn’t just black guys that have it them to do this. That thing with Sharon Stone/James Woods in Casino is the real deal for many (both played their characters for that part of the movie real well). Helps if everybody is coked out though.
Look – what I am saying is that for such women, the real pros, there is no middle ground. You be pimp or you be john. There is nothing else. Because she actually hates everybody because she hates herself. She is actually incapable of dealing with men in any other way. This thing about such pros being starved for real affection like Carlo Danger pointed out above – well yes – that is the case – but so what? – she put herself in that starvation mode and giving her some REAL affection beyond just the superficial is never gonna satiate that – ever. Because she is actually deeply involved in an internal self-hate/love drama that only she really knows about, a drama for her alone. All the external dramas in her life are just manifestations of that internal drama and nothing more (i.e – these external events carry no other meaning for her). You can’t really know these facts unless you go very deep down this rabbit hole, and take a ho on as a friend and lover (which if it’s based on REAL affection means she gotta go on permanent sabbatical from her so-called profession). But it won’t work, even in the medium term it all falls apart, mainly because she actually be psycho – permanently damaged goods.
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Hasn’t been my experience for the most part. Most are starved for real affection
completely agree
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We’ll defer to your and Danger’s experience on this subject.
“I don’t lay down with no whore and don’t wake up with one… that’s how I live with myself. I don’t know how you do it.”.
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Early on in my Fucking Career, when finding myself in the position of being the ‘cuckholder’, I experienced a rush, flush and revulsion at the enthusiasm for the ritualistic defilement of their vows and ‘trust’ shown by those crazy hot-holed skanks. Coulda lived without it. Talk about staring into the abyss of humanity.
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