You don’t need to be perfect with women, you only need to make poon split. Commenter K Young shares the positive romantic outcomes he’s had from learning and practicing Game well enough to elicit desirous reactions from women and ultimately, to improve the quantity and quality of his dating life.
CH: “With experience and the right attitude, the quips become second nature”
Yes! Im proof. Or at least proof that your brand of game can change with practice and disregard while morphing. I hope the following is helpful for someone!
When I was 20, I usually got the girl I wanted, but I was raised by single mom and steeped in morrissey and depeche mode. But also outgoing, voted funniest male in a large high school etc. It was charming and self effacing. Effective but with a side of beta.
Now Im 45. Ive been on testosterone replacement, and lifting weights heavy for 10 years. I have this dominant daddy look almost. Very different on the outside. So I essentially *had* to change. Women dont want me to be self deprecating; It was weird for me, but Ive come to accept that they crave cocky!
So I say things now that I would have considered extreme douchey in the past. Examples I can think of from this week:
(Crucial: delivery is dry and immediate)
From a young HB8 coworker, regarding another coworker who recently quit:
Her: “I think you were her favorite”
Me: “Im everyones favorite”
Her: stunned deep laughterHB7 barista at coffee shop…
Her: “I cant believe I remembered your name.”
Me: “Its because Im so special.”
Her: near gasp, taken aback, smile, red face, intense eye contactThey just work. File under females-are-like-children. Its audacity and “[Poon Commandment] XI. Be irrationally self-confident”. If this isnt your style, try for yourself! Enjoy!
The truth is that this style — call it cocky jerkboy — is almost universally applicable and attractive to women of all ages and stations, and there isn’t a man alive who wouldn’t benefit from being more like this and less like every other boring beta.
Genetic constraints matter, but that doesn’t mean practice has no utility. Practice at anything will improve one’s skill with that thing, and this goes as well for Game as it does for playing the violin or throwing a ball. The typical beta male may not reach the heights of charisma that “naturals” seem to intrinsically possess, but he can learn and practice the crimson arts and become a better, sometimes a much better, man than he was before he set his mind to the task.
The men who swear up and down this is impossible are usually the men who daren’t try. Fear of success is as strong in the human condition as is fear of failure, because success, unlike failure, sweeps away the refuge of excuses and rationalizations weak men flee to for comfort.
This is the essence.
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This is about movie poisoning. Reality has been mediated through a screen for so long that it has marred the way we socialize. We are trained to think that socializing is like movie rapport, always with the perfect and timely reply, where l’esprit de l’escalier is never a factor. The distortion factor is quickly proved by listening to any real life conversation and then looking at the transcript, complete with the um’s and uh’s.
IRL you don’t have to be smart or witty or even that funny. People are predisposed to laugh and have a good time in just about any circumstance. If you are the one who breaks the ice with an imperfect attempt, you win. (Which is why “just say something” and “non-sequitur game” work.) At the heart of game is observation: Notice next time what unfunny stuff (well-adjusted) people will laugh at just as an expression of good will for a stranger extending a friendly, familiar word.
Smart.
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No. Moderation filters are the essence.
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This is true. Much older but same experience.
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Kid game. Use to always be cocky when young. Then driven down the path of self regulation.Now with graying head and less fucks given, every girl gets a smart ass reply, even the 80 year old lass who answered the door yesterday –
lass – “I’ve been waiting for you”
moi – “impressed?”
lass – giggles
moi “you were lucky they sent the good looking one”
lass – (still giggling) “why, yes”
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Good stuff…but anyone else reading this I would advise heavily against testosterone replacement.
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Yeah, I did my research and while it does sound enticing, it’s just not for me.
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why?
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if you ever get tired of lifting and working out in general, take a peek at this picture. you’ll find the will to push yourself further in no time.
https://de.nachrichten.yahoo.com/30-april-2018-bilder-tages-slideshow-wp-083528465.html
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I’ve been practicing with both an abundance mindset and knowing I’m the prize mindset.
When I go to stores I’ll jabber and keed with the girls helping me out. Not so much at work, but there are some woofers out here so I don’t wanna waste my ammo.
They liven up and enjoy the playful tone.
And this is coming from an former introvert, mama’s boy, “uh, uh, ex-excuse me” goofy joker. Think the bashful buzzard from the Looney Tunes.
Game does change lives!
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“mama’s boy”
In m0d above here, but so much of growing up and becoming the man you were supposed to be simply amounts to breaking free from your M0ther’s Hamster’s passive-aggressive attempts to destroy you.
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Your M0ther’s Hamster is like any other woman’s Hamster – it wants to know whether you are STRONG or WEAK.
And if your M0ther’s Hamster senses weakness in you, then it will spend your entire life trying to destroy you.
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yah, boy. When I was 20 and good looking, being arrogant may have been too much. Now that I am … uh 22 … this is great advice. be the arrogance.
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lol
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A good gauge to see whether you’re doing it right is if your girlfriend/wife/side tells you, with pride, what a huge flirt you are…
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Just observing, both his examples sound like things gay guys say to women. It works of course.
[CH: cockiness has become associated with gayness because masculinity in general has been tainted with gay associations.]
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oh I see your point, there’s a conflation between flamboyance and cockiness.
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also to add, most of this is non-verbal. a thought example would be: imagine Mark Zuckerberg style, attitude and vocal tone saying these lines.
now imagine Ryan Reynolds Deadpool doing it. big difference.
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Ron Paul won in 2008.
Occupy Wall Street came from the right.
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(((CNN))) opposed Occupy Wall Street, asking, “What do they want? (((We))) are so confused!”
THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW, GOYS.
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publius are you demonstrating non-sequitur anti game? because thems are great examples
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Fags say what they want to the hole-people bcs they aren’t trying to fuck them. If a straight gives that same impression, the ho wants to know why she is being disqualified.
Intriguing.
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I have been in the zone lately but am still experiencing two specific types of shit tests.
1) Girls don’t believe that I don’t have a GF. I will agree and amplify “Actually I have quite a few, you can be Thursday, etc.” but a few times in the past month the agree and amplify hasn’t worked, they just call me a liar and my teasing does not help.
[CH: i wouldn’t get too cocky about answering this plea disguised as a disqualification from girls. just say “I know, can you believe it?”]
2) Age game specific to myself. I am 33 but look anywhere from 21-25. I will open a lot of girls and get to chatting and age invariably comes up. When I joke with the “you’re actually too old for me” or agree and amplify I get negative reactions. I have heard women like slightly older men but a few times it seemed like once the girl found out I was 33 she was no longer interested.
Any tips appreciated.
[if age is an insurmountable issue for you, just lie about it. you can correct the record later, after you’ve banged her into love and she’s more willing to forgive and forget that you don’t meet all of the bullet points on her mr right checklist. if you don’t want to lie, try a tactical self-disqualification: “you’re too young for me. i need a sophisticated woman.”]
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I will open a lot of girls and get to chatting and age invariably comes up. When I joke with the “you’re actually too old for me” or agree and amplify I get negative reactions.
I’m in my 30s also. I actually don’t get shit-tested on my age much. And those who do are race-mixers for some weird reason. I wonder if they’re overcompensating for their race-treason by getting uptight about older men?
Anyway, I think what may help is if you warm them up gradually. Don’t hit on a younger girl you’ve never seen before and try to get her digits — that won’t work. But if you see them repeatedly and you’re relaxed and not overly eager, they’ll respond better. So I’d say it’s not your age, it’s neediness. They’ll tolerate neediness in young men better since it’s kind of expected, but not from older men, from whom it’s seen as pervy.
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I am 45, divorced a couple years back. I met my current GF online about two years back, she was 29, I was 43. I put my age at 38. I’ve lifted for years, keep fit, generally take care of myself. It was a few months in before I told her my real age, she got over it in about 15 minutes, it really didn’t change anything, it doesn’t come up any more.
If I ever hear a young woman comment on my age, I just fire up the grin and tell her I’ll put her over my knee and spank her for such insolence.
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And yes, the correlation between race-mixing and shit-testing about age is 100% in my case. All five age-related shit-tests I can recall in the past several years were from race-mixers, versus zero from a much larger sample of non-race-mixers. It’s shocking.
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the correlation between race-mixing and shit-testing about age is “Fukc you, dad!”
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I’m 37 and the last 4 women I’ve dated have all been under 26. No one believes I’m over 32. Living in SF you see a constant influx in young women and from my experience, it’s either question number 1 or never brought up. CH is right that once you’ve had sex with them, they don’t want to think about it. If asked, I generally just say “you wouldn’t believe me if I told you” and move on. If they press I’ll tell them but if they press its generally a deal breaker anyway.
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with the girlfriend DQ, I use:
“nothing serious. nothing regular.” then thread new topic immediately.
and lying works.
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and honestly these days, WTF does “girlfriend” mean. seriously.
Im going to start using “whats a girlfriend?”
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Me too, Ripp. I like that.
“Girlfriend?! The 90s called, okay they paged, but they want their lingo back.”
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Just lie about your age.
If I tell my actual age they start calling me a liar. I have had my ID pulled by bitches on dates at least a dozen times.
You have to steer the conversation because they will start doing math about when you graduated from this or when you did that…I won’t lie about having kids; I kind of made a promise that I would never do that. When their ages come up, obviously a phony age for me is unrealistic given the math. But whatever, if you’re diligent they won’t know then you can tell them either after or while you’re banging them. For really young girls it can be a serious thrill in the moment.
I remember this one time i had 2 chicks whose ages added up to 37, which is still 9 years short of where I’m at and the 18 one says as I’m walking to the bathroom after, “I can’t believe you’re like 50.” an innocent backhanded compliment lol
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“I have heard women like slightly older men but a few times it seemed like once the girl found out I was 33 she was no longer interested.”
Good news! It’s possible that 33 is too young in some cases…
Im 45, and looking back, 20s and 40s were best so far. And 40s are best. 30s were ok, but there was no tailwind! I speculate that in your 20s you are normal, and in 40s you are taboo.
“Now it has been revealed in porn site X-Hamster’s Trend Report 2018, that daddy was the number one searched term by women in America.” Source: news.com.au
My impression (and I think that I read this somewhere too) is that younger, hotter, tighter women break out into 3 groups: those that are totally turned off by older men, those are are open to it, and those that may prefer it. We can all guess the ratio, but I’d say 40/50/10, respectively.
My first experience with this reality was at 41, when I had 21yo fitness model land in my lap. We had a common work connection, so there was social proof and she felt safe with me. And it lasted until she moved out of town, 6 months later. There was a natural affinity between us and maximum polarity! After that experience, my whole reality changed. True empirical red pill.
But you have to turn into the daddy that they crave! And the caveat in my experience is that they are near or full BPD types. They need a rock, and that has to be you. They are so easy to turn on …and off. Read and internalize content like the poon commandments.
Free bonus: Vampire Game! If you kind of look the part: “Yeah, I am old enough to be… a vampire compared to you. Like I’ve lived multiple lifetimes.” Its strange and outside the box, but not boring, and I have used this with some success. (Jordan Peterson notes that vampire is one of women’s top 5 fantasies)
[CH: good comment, K. I have a couple B-side posts in the archives about this topic, and I guesstimated the ratio around 60/40 women not open to significantly older men* and women open to it. about half of the women open to it actively seek out older men, and there may be evolutionary reasons for it: older sperm have more mutations which is not necessarily a bad thing since mutations drive evolutionary adaptation progress in novel ever-changing environments. *note that almost all women prefer somewhat older men than themselves, so this ratio applies to women willing to date men 10+ years older. fyi i have also mentioned that this ratio can shift in either direction depending on underlying shifts in the functioning of the sexual market.]
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Have you tried beating her to the punch? Or in other words, DQ’ing her before she can DQ you. I’ve had some success just shutting girls down when they start talking about dumb college bull sh!t like “girl… no…. no I don’t care about any of that, you’re dealing with a grown man here” and from there, if you’ve spiked her temperature, she’ll start qualifying herself. For me, the trick always seems to be getting her to tingle before she has a chance to DQ you, because after that, the tingle seems to trump all standards she might’ve had. Obviously, your results may vary.
At any rate, I’m in your same boat man. Just entered my 30’s, but due to diet and exercise have NO problems fitting in with the college crowds. There are plenty of fresh targets in my area… but they’re generally anywhere between 8-10yrs younger than me so shaking myself of the “I’m too old” frame is always priority #1 for me. I’m sure others here have much experience with it as well and can offer advice.
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there is a downside to lying to women…it is, to them, a permanent excuse to LIE TO YOU whenever it suits them – which is a lot – because of that one time you lied. And use it they will, when you call them on BS, gas lighting, you name it.
If age is a thingy, dance the issue as a non issue to you, and should be one to them. If they are THAT pedantic about it, then they are husband hunting and then you have to decide if you want to be somene’s list boy.
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“Brand of game”??? Make you sound like a pacifist prissy.
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One of my go to lines is “You’re only saying that because it’s true.” One of my other favorites is with waitresses when they ask if you want sweet or unsweet tea “I’ll take unsweet tea. I’m already sweet enough”.
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“I don’t follow my cock around. I just lead with it.”
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“Fear of success is as strong in the human condition as is fear of failure, because success, unlike failure, sweeps away the refuge of excuses and rationalizations weak men flee to for comfort.“
Damn. Strong, wise words. A lot of men are afraid to rise up and accept the responsibilities that success imparts.
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One of the most black-pill moments of red-pill was realizing how well canned routines work. Like pushing buttons on a robot.
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