Groyper Jones has a topical Game question,
I’m almost finished with my first 100 approaches. I keep getting girls who say they have a boyfriend, but still give me their number to just be friends.
I don’t know what to make of this. Are they just being polite, or should I keep pushing?
This is one of those sexual market rituals that has changed over time. It used to be that girls wouldn’t give their numbers out to men for whom the girls had no romantic feelings. Or they would give out a fake number. It was just too messy to give real numbers to betas who might stalk them or latch onto their orbit like an incel asteroid. Rarely, a man would cross paths with a sociopath who relished accumulating a soyem (male harem) of beta orbiters, and who would give her phone number to almost any man who asked. We call those girls attention whores, and their numbers are increasing exponentially.
But this has changed in recent years. Girls will now freely give their digits on the pretense of asexual friendship. I’ve noticed it, and others who are newer to the dating scene have noticed as well. Instead of the friendzone, I call this the friendphone. Are girls simply more naive than they used to be, or are they more sociopathic? Both possibilities are on the table.
To answer your two questions, no and yes.
The girls aren’t being polite. If all they were doing was being polite, they would say they have a BF, and leave it at that. This is how it’s traditionally been done for thousands of thot-years. So what’s changed?
The nature of men, for one. There are a lot more beta male simps than there used to be, owing to a culture that has elevated emasculation to an art form and to the bulk of men’s formative years being spent in faptivity with porn and vidja.
The nature of women, for two. There are a lot more manjaws and strident skanklib cunts than there used to be, owing to a culture that has denigrated femininity and to the bulk of women’s formative years being spent overweight, socially disconnected, and aridly flattered online by thirsty betas.
The nature of nature, for three. Our waters are polluted with endocrine disruptors like the Pill.
The nature of our culture, for four. Antisocial media has deprived men and women of the relational social skills they need to court each other. Game may as well be Mandarin to the typical Ameriherb. Additionally, slut glorification has stripped the stigma from women who cock hop.
The nature of the sexual market, for five. There is a horrible sex skew between the numbers of available men vying for the love of a shrinking pool of slender, single babes. This reality breeds attention seeking thots, cock carouseling, grinding incel, and regretful Wall-approaching spinsters.
Given the above changes I’ve listed, the likeliest explanation for the emergence of the friendphone is a combination of fearlessness and aggro hypergamy. Girls are much less fearful of the beta males who swarm around them and of the potential danger to reputation those betas would have posed back in a more patriarchal time; this incentivizes attention whoring. It’s no risk anymore for a girl to cavalierly accumulate a horde of sexless simps to diddle her idclit whenever she needs it.
The aggro, open hypergamy is the result of too many men competing for too few women. (Worse, competing for too few women who aren’t economically self-sufficient and could use the LTR boost of a beta provider.) The plain jane can now juggle a few admirers (only one of which will have access to her vanilla vagina) without incurring reputational loss or threat of abandonment. The orbiter and sexless male friends will cling to her for months, and years, enduring the cruelty of sniffing, but never touching, proximate vaj. They will patiently wait wait wait for their oneitis to “tire” of her jerkboy lover. They will never leave this waiting room. It is a portal to hell for them.
The hypergamous girl is fishing, always looking to reel in that monster bass. The more leeway she has to continually dangle her bait, the longer she’ll keep it in the water testing for nibbles. That’s what these friendphone girls are doing; dangling, recasting, dangling, and then reeling in whichever man is more alluring to her than the beta orbiters and Fake BFs she currently has in her rotation.
The conclusion I’m arriving at is this, Mr. Jones: If you are getting girls’ real numbers with the IHAB rider attached, the girls are equally interested in you AND attention whoring to enlarge their soyems. Continue gaming them as if they were undeclared property, and be careful to avoid beta orbiter traps that would unseal the deal.
Keep pushing. Every girl now has a male in her company that she can call a “boyfriend”, though he may be nothing of the sort as conventionally understood. It may be a male she *wishes* were her bf, or it may be a recruited flatterer she labels a bf in a pinch when social expectation calls for it.
If she gives her number, a part of her is thinking about exploring intimacy with you. It may be a small part, but all you need is a foot in the whore. If you follow up on one of these sweet numbers, and she mentions the bf again, consult the Chateau archives for numerous anti-bf quips that will easily surmount this most common of shit tests.
CH Maxim #99: Keep pushing for sex, until she stops allowing you to push.
You’ll know when she thwarts your advances for real, and when she’s putting up token resistance. Knowing the difference comes with sexperience.
One trick that works wonders on the modren wahman is to call her bluff. Reply to her objections, “hey, don’t get the wrong idea. I just called because you were looking for a friend.” Then, be friendly. Don’t act resentful or butthurt. Open yourself to her terms of engagement, hiding your ulterior motive until it’s too late for her to #resist. Hang with her, but keep pushing and working the magic, devoting each minute you and her are together to your ultimate goal. This is the sneaky fucker strategy, minus the angry ape boyfriend who comes back to reclaim his turf, because she won’t really have a boyfriend, and if she does it won’t be a boyfriend she respects enough to stay faithful to, which means he won’t be a man you need fear.

It’s the reason you have to have tight text game, abundance and recognition that girls number farming is all about fear of missing out.
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I have actually found that girls appreciate a real phone call more than texts.
Text game ends up being penpals more often than not
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Most of them are so socially inept that they will not answer the phone, at all.
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“Most of them are so socially inept that they will not answer the phone, at all.”
At least on the coasts, there are no more social graces.
It’s possible that deep in flyover country, you’ll still find some girls with home training & good manners, but I’m seeing the iPhag addiction everywhere I go.
And iPhag addiction == Death of Social Graces.
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u got a point there but it’s mostly that they have never actually made or received a call in recent memory. Everyone assumes it’s a butt dial
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HER: I have a boyfriend but here is my number.
DA GBFM: Great I have a girfriend but here is my lostas cockasz with some to spare lzlzozoozoz.
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That’s what these friendphone girls are doing; dangling, recasting, dangling, and then reeling in whichever man is more alluring to her than the beta orbiters and Fake BFs she currently has in her rotation.
It’s just monkey branching. Is she some guy’s FB or plate? Maybe an LTR? Doesn’t matter, girls are always looking to trade up, or add another beta to their constellation of orbiters. Don’t take that number as a sealed deal, and don’t be fobbed off by IHAB either.
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girls number farming is all about fear of missing out.
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Just curious if anyone else has had this happen but I find girls that i ghosted after briefly dating, had ONS with or ex’s contact me either 3 weeks or 3 months later. Contact is always some multiple of 3.
Also, I get hit up by these girls generally in waves where they all hit me up within a 2 or 3 day window. It’s weird.
[CH: the wave tingle is real. every man with enough notches will tell you that female interest tends to come in bunches, with troughs of dry spells in between. synchronized ovulation?]
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Yeah, that was my assumption. It’s happened too many time not to be a thing. Was just curious what triggers it.
The one consistent random contact I always get is texts from the way back hookup club between Feb 16-19. I assume they all had shitty Valentine’s dates and I get the ping.
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Nothing makes sense until you factor their cycle into it.
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@CH and Paul Murray
“Nothing makes sense until you factor their cycle into it.”
There’s got to be a post worth of gold in that comment, seriously CH a post on that would be worth it’s weight in gold.
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When it rains it pours
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I have found that women even text in bunches. It’s almost like they know when other women are sending me texts. I’ve actually recorded this effect on paper to rule out confirmation bias. It’s real and freaky and frankly, a bit paranoia inducing.
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it’s the hive-gine.
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Yas! DA GBFM once hit an extreme escruciating dryspell whcih lasted two hours between 3:30 AM and 5:30 AM monday morninzg during a blizzard where no hottiesz showed up to ring his ding dongzlozozozo
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funny because on dating sites it happens often that I either have 3 – 4 women writing to me at once the same evening, or none at all…
I thought that maybe it was because they all watch the same tv shows or something and their availability depends on what is playing on tv…but apparently I was wrong
maybe vagina tingles have telepathic properties? haha!
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OR…
Give her YOUR number.
Make it clear that YOU are the one who is chased.
And that, conversely, chasing is beneath your dignity.
Remember, you always need to be looking for an angle which sets you apart from all the pathetic simpering normie beta stooges.
And if it’s now normal for every HB6+ to cultivate & maintain a soyem of incel beta orbiters, then you need to be her new abnormal.
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Captain Oblivious- Stop posting about game. There are guys who are going to read this utter nonsense and put it into practice. How do I know that? I’m actually out there doing it, so I can tell when a guy is all mouth.
Or, practice what you preach. Go hit on 30 broads and give them your number. Just make it clear to them you’re the one to be chased. Report back, if you have time, in between orgies.
The ONLY time this works is online with bumble. The dynamic is such that she has to pursue you to some extent. I always hit them with, “you seem cool and cute. Text me at…”
Very regularly get texts back saying, “Hey this is blahblahbroad who is cool and cute!” Like anything else it does not work 100% of the time. Sometimes they don’t text. In that case, I’ve already made my pitch. Just let it go.
In real life, this advice of giving them your number is just this side of autistic. Don’t do it. There are plenty of other ways to get them chasing once they start texting.
I want every guy on this board out there making moves, banging chicks, winning, and Making White Guys Great Again.
That means ignoring CO when it comes to broads. It’s worse than listening to a misguided libtard hold forth on socialism. Great in theory, disaster in reality.
CO seems to know his stuff when it comes to psychology, history, and politics. He’s a good ally, but scrap the rest of it. CH’s advice rings true to me 100% of the time with 0% margin for error. If you don’t like my advice, just stick with CH (though there are other guys on here I can tell are making moves and having success.)
Glad you’re all my brothers.
FE
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Agree with FE. Giving a girl your number is bad juju. Doesn’t work. Giving your number is leverage lost, and signals the opposite of your intended effect.
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N = 1 but I got into a pushing match in a bar with a bigger younger dude who kept hitting on the tall hot much younger “let’s play 1950’s game so don’t talk to the waiter” chick. Had to shove her in a cab later cuz she was drunk (I know I know), then got hit on hard by a cute and again much younger chick who witnessed it all. Made the mistake of giving her my number and that was the end of it …
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thank god there is someone else here who gets it.
Giving out your number to a chick so she will make the first move? GTFO here. It’s low probability.
It will work if she’s ALREADY chasing you because you are a rock star. I had chicks I made out with who I gave a card to and they swore up and down they wouldn’t put it in their shoebox full of numbers they told me about only to see them subsequently and it’s like “huh?” Shoebox’d. Which is what I told them they were gonna do. Girls play games. Number and swipe acquisition is just one of them.
This is one of those things that seems theoretically good but does not work in practice..why doesn’t it work? Bc chicks are chickenshit who almost never make a first move and/or flat just forget you in the fog of nonstop approaches. I learned more about pickup listening to my ex gf talk about guys who would cold approach her on the street while she was my gf. They failed when they showed weakness, such as “i bet you have a bf” or something like this, probing to see if she did so they could avoid the rejection that was coming after “hey can I have your number?” This chick actually wanted to m@rry me and have kids and I STILL KNEW that on any given day there’s a guy out there who can roll up on the street with the right frame and a set of balls and get her number. It’s the fucking nature of the beast.
CO needs to STFU about almost everything. Just go to the dark place, which in incel-speak is his parents’ basement.
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The weirdest thing is how often CO posts here. It’s like he sits in his mom’s basement all day hitting refresh so he can comment first and incessantly on every CH post. Dude, chill. Or start your own blog. We’ll all be right over…
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I completely skip COs comments. Talk about attention whoring… sheesh! STFU already. Total bullshit about making babeez or game that won’t work. I’ve also blocked all the sites he posts images from. Same for low IQ incoherents like gunslinger and lolz guy.
I also skip any other post about jews, religion or politics. It’s repetitive, boring and loser-type negativity.
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The Cap is a stalwart of this blog. There wouldn’t be a comment section without him. He has taken us down some truly profound lines of inquiry and his epistemology is as solid as Gibraltar. Too many fly by night commenters who shew up, make a few wise cracks, contribute nothing, and dissapear.
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I gave the receptionist at a repair shop my cell, to call me when my bmw was done being smogged. she called me on HER CELL PHONE, and made sure i knew it was her cell phone. She even offered to give me a ride home, instead of hanging around for 2 hours until they could get to it.
Guess i still have it. just out of the game for awhile.
I’m sure if i gave her MY number, nothing burger.
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Okay, you wanna open on an HB7+ – who’s got, say, 25 beta orbiters on speed dial, and 4 or 5 Alpha Friends with Benefits [each of whom who phucks her about once a month] – in this day and age, how are you gonna distinguish yourself from the competition?
Well here’s one way to distinguish yourself: By being so disgusted with her that you turn your back and walk away and make it clear to her that you simply aren’t going to tolerate that degree of slaggery in a prospect.
In 2018, you guys are up against effectively INFINITE NUMBERS of other dudes – lesser Beta, Beta, Greater Beta, Lesser Alpha, Solidly Chad Alpha, Billionaires with Game like Donald Trump – who are crossing paths with any particular chick you meet, and you have got to figure out a way to make it abundantly clear that you are better than all of them.
At this point in our scr0tial degeneration, at least faking Tim Tebow Game, and pretending to be a hyper-chaste religious true-believer, would go a he11uva lot farther in distinguishing yourself from The Crowd than would begging and pleading and grovelling with her for a nude pic [which she has already probably poasted tens or hundreds of, at least semi-nude, on this or the other scr0tial media site].
If you want to get anywhere in this life, then you have got to FLIP THE SCRIPT on the normies.
You have got to be different.
Set yourself apart. Be better than competition. Cultivate an air of dismissiveness of [and, if necessary, disgust with] these slags.
Make it clear to them that YOU ARE THE PRIZE.
Although, in this day and age, of rampant antibiotic-resistant gon0rrhea, when everyone & his brother is getting throat cancer from going down on chicks with their ven3real w@rts, I don’t understand why you’re even trying to tap moast of these s1ags.
Grow up. Learn to have some standards. Quit grovelling, for Chr!st’s sake.
And if you aren’t The Prize already, then go to That Dark Place, rework your Inner Frame, and become The Prize.
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Why would you pursue a girl like that in the first place? So you can see what four or five alpha dicks taste like?
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CO- if you’d ever even kissed a broad, you would know it’s not only drug-addled rockstars and billionaires getting laid.
You do have to be better than your competition, but in general that competition is pretty weak. It doesn’t take much to be above average or even top 20%.
Quit giving shit advice. You were called out and exposed. Just accept it. Bend over, bite your pillow, and invite your boyfriend over to your dark place.
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“Why would you pursue a girl like that in the first place?”
It’s an excellent question: Why would you wanna to dip it in one of these slags?
But that’s Game Theory 101 for you: Learn a few snarky pickup lines which will fool a slag’s Hamster into imagining that you’re a Greater-Beta/Lesser-Alpha to whom she can reasonably throw a drunken mercy phuck.
PRO-TIP: All of the Party Girls are like that. All of them.
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^^^That’s your competition right there.
How are you gonna distinguish yourself from them?
Or are you gonna dive right in and catch chlamydia like all of the other losers did?
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Seen this before but just noticed the word “CONSISTENT” written in the “Number of Times” column.
The count was so high for those, she didn’t even bother. Just wrote “consistent” so she was probably cycling them in between the others. I mean, more so cycling them in.
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mendo, that’s another excellent catch.
And keep in mind that this chick has to be fairly Obsessive-Compulsive to begin with, if she’s capable of throwing together an ad-hoc handwritten spreadsheet like this [replete with homemade emojis].
And yet even she can’t remember how many times Chad Thundercock violated her.
It’s all a blur to her.
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BTW, on some recent thread, I was worrying about how the Frankfurt School might be luring many of our best & brightest into not reproducing, and just judging from the general look and feel of that chick’s ad-hoc spreadsheet, I’d guess that she has an IQ of at least 115 to 120, and that her IQ might even be getting out towards 130.
But in your wildest
dreamsnightmares, can you imagine her being M0ther-of-Your-Ch!ldren material?Sheesh.
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Tim Tebow Game == Ne Plus Ultra Sneaky Fucker Game
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“how are you gonna distinguish yourself from the competition?”
can you really call boyz living away from their mommaz for the first time competition?
if you think you need a phone number to fuck hbs in 2018 i know at least three guys with bridges to sell you
isn’t there some rule about not complimenting her looks until after you fucker her brains out?
same goes with phone numbers
trading contact information implies a lack of abundance – and a lack of belief in serendipity (which obviously is manufactured but you have to leave room to construct it and talking on the phone fucks all that up)
best way to differentiate yourself is with your cock
everything will flow from that first hook up. she will insist on your number as the spider hates to let the fly get away
but i want space, so i give them space. lots of space. infinite space
isn’t that the best way to control a herd animal?
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“^^^That’s your competition right there.
How are you gonna distinguish yourself from them?”
actually, that’s what HE should be asking HER. i.e., “what makes you any different from all the other skanks out there?”
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PJ – exactly.
Be the guy who FLIPS THE SCRIPT on her.
The guy like no other.
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PRO-TIP:
If Captain Oblivious wrote it, scrap it. Dude is scared of broads. Screeds read like emotional self-talk. No real world experience.
Oblivious- quit discouraging guys and picking out the sluttiest attention whore examples on the biggest attention whore medium in the world. They’re no worse than they always were. Be aware of their nature and quit expecting otherwise. Your rants are just late stage pedestalizing.
Everyone else- scrap this shit and get to work.
Glad you’re all my bros (even you, Oblivious.)
FE
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Now I know why they call you Fast Eddie.
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hahahahaahahah
GE- I love having you back
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FE, there are 18 dudes on that chick’s ad-hoc spreadsheet of her “pipings” for the last five years, six of whom are “would again”.
Is your goal in life to waste all of your calories trying to get in line and weasel your way onto her spreadsheet, and maybe even crack the top 1/3rd whom she would again?
Or can you flip the script on these hos, and trick them into getting into YOUR LINE, and waiting their turn at a chance for earning “would again” in your eyes?
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I thought the consistent column catalogued number of orgasms achieved.
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Publius,
I hadn’t considered that and it could very well mean it was her o-face count.
Though given that she designated which lays were “good shit”, I’m still inclined to believe that column is number of times she got boned.
Or piped, using her term. Never heard of a girl refer to it that way. She’s her own version of Super Mario Bros.
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CO-
I’m happy to answer your questions and teach you how to live, but you gotta have an ounce of real life experience first. Quit looking for the sluttiest examples on the internet and thinking it’s normal. That’s a good first step.
Go actually hit on some broads. You’ll post a lot less, your attitude will change, and your posts will be more valuable.
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“FE, there are 18 dudes on that chick’s ad-hoc spreadsheet of her “pipings” for the last five years, six of whom are “would again”.
Is your goal in life to waste all of your calories trying to get in line and weasel your way onto her spreadsheet, and maybe even crack the top 1/3rd whom she would again?”
here’s the thing: every single one of the dudes on that list is doing things on HER TERMS, whether they realize it or not. she’s designed it that way. because she can. her filter for choosing guys is that they do things on HER TERMS. this is what it’s like for liberated 18-22yo prime fertility skanks. they do things on THEIR TERMS. that is their creed. their terms. which means weak guys.
if she had a single guy on that list who was strong enough to bring her over to his terms (assuming she’s hot enough to attract such a guy) then you wouldn’t be looking at that list. she would’ve already made it disappear. at light speed.
don’t believe me? go date a few.
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how am *I* going to distinguish myself?
My boy, if you ever saw me in person, you wouldn’t ask such a stupid question lol. By standing there, mfer.
so we have a chick who fucked 18 guys over 6 years??? That’s fucking downright chaste in this day and age. You’d need a ton of extra tweeters to go thru my body count during this same stretch.
Your shit is ALL pussy pedestal crap CO. OMG find a virgin find the perfect girl find someone who isn’t “beneath” you when you are in fact borderline contemptible yourself and you know it.
This chick had 18 guys, I’d hit it if she was young and hot and not gaf. Where is your dark place where you stop CARING?
Dude, I fucked a chick nearly my age last weekend who went thru 3 guys that weekend (inc me). You think I gaf? I ain’t wifin her up son. I told her she was a slut and that is unattractive. Her count has gotta be 80 or 100 even lifetime (44 yo).
Know what? Oh…I know, you’re gonna say she nexted me for being butthurt? LOL…the OPPOSITE. She took my words and internalized the criticism and started defending herself. She got SHAMED. She started being like oh but I’m slowing down and I’m gonna stop and I only do this to prove to myself I’m still desirable (recently divorced). The little girl came out. Bc I held frame and I spoke. Go forth and do likewise, insect.
You clowns (not all) will NEVER GET IT- you DO NOT DISTINGUISH YOURSELF by playing GAMES and being FAKE. You do it by being REAL.
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“Oblivious- quit discouraging guys and picking out the sluttiest attention whore examples on the biggest attention whore medium in the world.”
“chicks in the wild”… why the fuck are you looking at that shit?
and a sample of the girls responding to that crap… big ugly lacrosse player, hb5s with private accounts (that means true ugly and or fat or have no views), awkward chicks with cats in their profile pics…
the girl who made that stupid chart is probably a disgusting slob hb5 taking late night drunk fucks from losers willing to sink that fukcing low to bust a nut in something warm
and actual hbs charts are way deeper than that one. 20 guys in five years?
she’s no piece
and what younger guys should understand is that there are a lot of guys in the mano who have no intentions of working on their game because they don’t deploy it so their posts mean dick
if you’re typing the same shit on these boards that you were typing a year ago, you’re failing
some motherfuckers here are cut and paste for going on years now.
why bother?
“Why would you pursue a girl like that in the first place?”
because i like submissive girls who like to fuck and i can easily train her to be the way i want her because nobody worked her out proper yet (probably because she ain’t worth it, but there are some undiscovered gems to be mined, they’re just hard to find)
unless you’re in jh/ high school you should give up your blue pill dreams of ever discovering some untapped prisitine virgin though
if she’s young her count means almost nothing these days (aside from crazy stat outliers). devil really is in the details. but how to get them? and how to read them? (a fuck is not always a Fuck)
every young girl i meet is a blank slate (especially now because all the guys they grown up around are so feminized)
a girl who only fucks 20 guys in five years of her prime is probably a dud looking to be accidentally oops pregnant claimed by alpha
she was not hot enough to get commitment or even piping from her first choice (that’s why she had 5 regs – all unexceptional)
it will end badly for her
so why bother posting about her?
to discourage others?
sounds about right
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TRAV- your experiences jives damn near 100% with mine. You were specifically one of the guys I was thinking of when I wrote that there were some worth reading and listening to.
I don’t even know where some of these questions come from.
How do I differentiate myself PJ? I’m barely freaking 5’11” and snagged digits from a 23 year old on Sunday who is at least the same height while she was plugged into her iphag and walking her dog.
The magic words I used were something like, “Hey what’s up or Hey, how’re you.”
She stopped, took out her earbuds (I only took out one) and we went from there.
This was in broad daylight on the street. I don’t need to differentiate myself. They do it for me.
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Statistical footnote here: I’ve noticed that, in spite of the fact that the economy is much better, getting *any* job, even a part-time shit job, seems to be much harder than it was about 15 years ago. Part of this, I’m sure is due to the diversity cancer but there are many small businesses that don’t have time and money to care about that shit. The problem, I think, is the internet. Nowadays, every shitty little jerb goes on all the Job Poasting Sights and about 123,456 people apply online. The result is that the “n-value” for the applicant pool is huge.
You can see the same statistical effect in something as simple as flipping a coin. Flip a coin three times and the odds of getting all heads are not bad (1/8 for each set of 3). Flip a coin 10,000 times and the odds that all will come up heads is essentially 0. In the days of paper resumes, physical walk-ins and cold calls, and jobs that were only advertised in one newspaper, the n-value for a given jerb was small. The odds of you being the top dog in the resume pile were not bad for each job. Now you basically have to rely on lame shit like keyword spam to even get someone to look at your resume. The same mathematics applies to wahmen. The results are that even the local overweight, dyed hair HB5 only looks at the guys who use some kind of trick to float to the top of her soypile.
[CH: good comment. the job market and sexual market share functionalities and feedback loops.]
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That’s just Obvious blackpilling again in his depressive stage. He can’t get any girl to notice him when he’s depressed he’s all “they’re whores, all whores!” . Wait till he gets manic, then he’s “make babiez” with the same images cluttering up the page over and over.
Les Saunders, Protestant
The Cap is a stalwart of this blog.
whatever. He repeats himself like an old man ordering dinner in the IHOP at 4 PM.
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“You’ll know when she thwarts your advances for real, and when she’s putting up token resistance. Knowing the difference comes with sexperience.”
Here’s my attempt to explain it:
Actually thwarting your advances: she either friendzones you or, if you’re too persistent, avoids you like the plague.
Token resistance: she refuses to friendzone you — she either flirts with you or is semi-rude. And if she blows you off and then you back off yourself, she’ll find some pretext to flirt with you again and keep the ball rolling.
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“you back off yourself, she’ll find some pretext to flirt with you again”
That’s the attitude I’m talking about up above here.
She chases. You are chased.
Be the first dude in her life who refuses to be a normie.
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Fuck all this talkin’. Wassup with dat pwossy doe?
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stop LARPing dude, it’s just embarrassing you.
She chases…lol. You don’t even know how to make that happen.
You go cold AFTER you banged her within an inch of her life then she’ll chase. You don’t do it on a cold pickup.
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Thanks for the response. I’ve been reading for years, but only recently got up the confidence to start cold approaching. I’m kicking myself now for not doing it when I was younger.
OT – mainstream right wing journalists have picked up the term ‘globohomo’.
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Good news: you’re doing cold approach. Bad news: kicking yourself.
That was a different guy who was afraid to cold approach. Not you, you’re Chad Stone Cold Approach.
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Always call/text if you get a girls number. Set a meet up quickly in the conversation. If they make up some reason they can’t make it but ask to reschedule, wait to respond but reschedule. If they don’t meet up, flake or cancel. Don’t contact again. If they hit you up randomly later then play it by ear but make them try. Never act butthurt or impatient. Just leave it alone. Chicks are nuts and it’s better not to engage or wonder why.
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Chicks are nuts and it’s better not to engage or wonder why.
Ours is not to question why, ours is just to bang or die
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You know, you crack a joke about that sh!znat, but when you ponder the horror of Evo-psych & Darwinian nihilism, the fundamentally tautological Truth of your little parody there ought to send a chill down your spine.
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Agent X ; June 9, 2018 at 10:39 pm: “So get fuckin’ Only you and your penis and can save the west now.”
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DS9 is like dune- it sucked shit.
PLEASE stop giving guys advice on here.
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I was gonna say even before I finished reading- just treat the number like a normal lead and game her as if she never dropped the friends bomb. Invite her out for drinks ‘like friends’.
It’s ego assuation for (likely feminist) girls so they don’t feel like they’re being picked up on the street like the meat they are.
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Off topic but just wanted to remind people that they can wish Donald Trump a happy birthday. Even if you disagree with him on this or that, please be take a moment to be grateful he could have done anything in his life but he took a stand and took all the vitriol and hatred for us. Gotta love the man he is A true American and the man who has single handidly done more to save our nation with no help in my lifetime than almost anyone else.God bless you guys!
reach out to him on twitter his birthday is june 14th.
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I usually start with, ‘Are you seeing anyone?’
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Don’t.
This is where guys failed with my ex.
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Does it usually work?
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>> I’m almost finished with my first 100 approaches
This ^ tells you a lot about the guy. This ^ count, plus the fact that he’s asking the question… means he’s not even close to good with women.
[CH: it could also mean he’s shooting way out of his league. i don’t blame a man for doing that, because the reward when it comes is worth the effort.]
>> If she gives her number, a part of her is thinking about exploring intimacy with you
Nope.
[yep]
>> It may be a small part
Nope, nope.
[it’s a myth in the pickup community that girls hand their numbers out like candy just to get rid of annoying betas. i don’t see this happening very often. it’s too easy for girls to simply defer to the imaginary bf or to call a friend over for the rescue. girls don’t want to deal with the hassle of screening out multiple incoming texts/calls of failed suitors they meet every weekend. not to mention the net-stalking that comes with having someone’s phone number.]
>> Are they just being polite, or should I keep pushing?
The kid should try the numbers. If they’re game, and coming out… then I’m wrong. And we all know I am not. If they ignore him, they are brushing him off in a gentle way. Gentle for them. It’s easier than giving Opie a proper “no.”
They are not even being polite. They’re just doing the girl version of “no,” which is “maybe.”
[a real number is an IOI. maybe not much of one, but it’s more of an IOI than getting no number at all. like i said, a number exchange accompanied by a transparently lame ihab excuse means a small part of her is considering the romantic possibility. it means she’s willing to give the man a chance. now that might change in between the time of her giving the digits and him contacting her, but that’s true no matter how eagerly she relinquished her contact info. in the final analysis nothing matters but piv.]
And yes, sometimes maybe means yes. But no, not for this guy.
[getting numbers is better than not getting anything.]
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That’s my gut feeling as well, but what do you suggest he do differently? My advice is push each lead to it’s end but it sounds like confidence is still the barrier.
[CH: he should turn up the cocky asshole. (when in a rut, i’ve always found that amping my asshole game was the quickest way out of it) the next time a girl gives him her number with the proviso that she has a bf, he should quip “not for long” or tell her to “save that lame shit for the desperate guys”.]
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D.O.G. – this guy is getting out and doing it. As all the great Mystics have said, the most important part of the journey is the first step,
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CH is right- the bf shield is for when they don’t wanna give out their #.
Listened to a convo from a NYC chick at work one day who got approached on the subway. Guy got her #. He txt’d or called, she said omg no i didn’t respond…”who gives out their # on the subway!??!” Total wtf.
Listening to the words of chicks and their reactions is better for understanding the nature of this game than ANYTHING you will read from the hands of men on it. My ex was pretty hot and got approached fairly routinely….I would poll her and ask her about when these things happened and listen to her tone on where the disapproval of the game occurred. Guys would cross the street to hit her up as she was walking home from work and such. I was interested to know where they went wrong so I don’t make the same mistake in the future lol.
as long as you show no jealousy or fear, your own girl will TELL YOU where guys failed with her. Look she ain’t gonna tell you where they succeeded is she? lol
NEVER ask if a chick has a bf, NEVER suggest she “must” have a bf…I cannot emphasize this enough. Let HER tell you.
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Next time, don’t ask a rabbit how to catch rabbits.
Don’t listen to what they say. Watch what they do.
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>> [it’s a myth in the pickup community that girls hand their numbers out like candy just to get rid of annoying betas. i don’t see this happening very often.]
CH
You’re right… not very often… but sometimes, certainly.
And add to that AVOIDING AWKWARDNESS, which is very plausible. When she gives out a number to a guy that she doesn’t want to date at all… that is for HER, to save her from having to be direct (or overly masculine), from looking like a bitch in front of her friends, etc.
It’s a very “graceful” (and feminine) thing to allow the guy to save face by giving him her number. It’s super smooth behavior from a girl, particularly if she’s not going to see him again. She escapes… and his ego remains relatively unbruised… the social aware see her as charming. That’s good girl game, assuming he isn’t horribly low value in the eyes of the room.
Guys in the game (non mythical ones) could agree on some % of “numbers to nowhere,” and I bet it’s 40-60%.
For me…maybe 50-70% respond ONCE. And 30%-50% chat a bit. And >30% come out. That means ~50% never respond at all. This is the reality of girls’ behavior.
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DoG, 30% gets you into the Hall of Fame, muh brutha.
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you guys are forgetting how easy it is with smart phones now. girls give out their number to anyone because now the phones have block features built in to the default OS. so yes, sometimes they give out their number to get rid of you.
[CH: even so, i haven’t noticed girls giving numbers out to get rid of betas they have zero intention of dating or banging. blocking numbers adds hassle and there’s always the reverse number lookups to stalk girls. i think something else is going on besides using the phone as a convenient rejection tool, and i think that something else is a combo of hypergamy and attention whoring.]
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>> something else is going on besides using the phone as a convenient rejection tool, and i think that something else is a combo of hypergamy and attention whoring
— CH
The attention whore bit… certainly. In the faulty calculous of a girls mind… how many “likes” online to equal one “can I get that number” in real life?
As for the guy in this story… unless he is very good looking, given his new status, I think the girls are just being nice.
Being good with women should be “low probability” assumption – it’s rare. I don’t know the guy, and good on him for getting after it… but we should assume he isn’t that tempting at this stage of his development as a “box crusher.” 100 approaches… that is not even “sophomoric.”
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Anatomy of a suicide part 1
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part 2
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part 3
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part 3
not all cunts and 2 soyboys
is there such a thing as soyquisition
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I understand Spain has a fairly large number of Latrino mestizos now. It would make sense if they’re more likely to agitate for letting in rapefugees, considering what they support in the U.S.
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Valencia just like Barcelona is a leftoid bastion
If you want to face sun you have to go to Madrid
Spanish Generation Zyklon
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“Valencia just like Barcelona is a leftoid bastion”
F—in Catalans… they’re like the Massholes of Spain or something.
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They are the modern day Blue Lights, of 1812 New England infamy.
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freedom of movement is worse than communism, even those italy didnt accept such dindus, now that they set foot in spain they can walk all over europe.
removing the right-wing mp, even if he was a “corrupt” cuckservative was a big mistake for the country.
corruption is overrated, I rather they stole public money than leave open borders
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My take is this: women are more desperate now than they have ever been. This may seem counterintuitive at first. It correlates with the increase of revealing clothing and excessive makeup. The lack of access that millennials have to resources, video games and drugs etc robs boys off SMV. They are fucking desperate for anyone with actual value. The roastie phenomenon is just the flip side of the emasculation trend.
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yeah but you’d never know it by how they act like they have infinite shelf life, would you?
Plus they cannot any longer assess value.
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“Plus they cannot any longer assess value.”
Neither a woman’s conscious mind nor her sub-conscious Hamster can understand your strengths.
They can only understand your WEAKNESSES.
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dude, chick I’m banging now calls bullshit all over you.
S’ok, you’re used to it by now.
she came into the gym on a kickboxing groupon, I was there with my shirt off. She has told me 3 times now about that experience of seeing me and when I got close to her. She cannot even really articulate it in any kind of descriptive sense (women are shitty writers); she just says “there was this MAN in front of me, I had never had just a MAN that physically close” MAN MAN MAN. Girl isn’t that young and isn’t a virgin and has had boyfriends. yet this is what she says…
She got the strengths at eye contact. If a girl cannot sense your strengths then you don’t have any.
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I had to look up “roastie”. Not sure if my life is enriched by knowing what this means. Then again, there’s that (possibly myth) about the Eskimos having lots of words for snow. When something is everywhere you look I guess you need lots of synonyms…
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Why can’t this hot D.C. woman find a boyfriend? It’s a mystery!
http://www.aloneinthebackseat.com/2018/05/dating-data.html
[CH: hot? she looks like a f2m tranny. or m2f, you never can really tell with this types.]
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Reading about her “date” with Corey, she sounds like she’s about one ambiguous look from a co-worker away from the full Gloria Trillo meltdown.
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Gloria Trillo was fairly hot, but she was a TROUBLED chick. Still, troubled chicks have been my bread and butter my whole life because they’re ALL troubled. They hide it to begin with, but sooner or later..
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some Christian
this is why we lose
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Goddam …that jaw…
Couldn’t do it. No way.
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she just needs an alpha to buy her a $400 plate of pasta to put some meat on those manhips.
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Nah, a $500 glass of water
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She’s 44 and roughly 99% of her dates are with men under 50 when it should be the other way around.
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When you say “the other way around”, do you mean that 1% of her dates should be with men under 50, and 99% should be with men over 50?
BTW, this illustrates the point which I keep trying to hammer home on this thread: In 2018, you are up against effectively INFINITE competition.
Even as, say, a 65yo man trying to hit on a 44yo slag, you’ve got to figure out a way to distinguish yourself from the competition.
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HOLY SMOKES BATMAN
That is a serious Picasso of a woman, if it is indeed a woman. Looks like bits and pieces from other people’s bodies slapped together to make a human.
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Seriously…we are talking about modern women. “No” is one step away from “yes”. Continue your approach. Honestly today its more like “no means yes and yes means anal” anyways.
If she has a man and is giving you any form of personal contact info, not social media bs but real contact info…phone number, email, where she works, what bar she goes to every saturday…assume the sale.
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At which number of the 100 approach method does it get easier to be outcome independent? Is it a linear progress or slow at the beginning and then picking up pace? Also, how close in time to each other should the approaches be to see best benefits? I’m not asking for hard numbers, just estimates from whoever has actually gone through this exercise.
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Dude.
You still care. Gotta stop caring. Nothing good will happen in your life until you stop caring.
Your problem right now isn’t in your approaches; your problem is your Inner Frame.
Gotta go to That Dark Place.
Gotta STOP CARING.
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Cortesar, Captain Obvious, or Greg Elliot? So, who’s the biggest cunt of them all?
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Asks the clownboy whose only posts are whining about the quality of posts from his betters, go figger.
CH, until you wipe the slate clean of these sock dweebs, you’re enabling the same clown world you decry.
This isn’t Chinese algebra.
(((shakin’ mah haid))).
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“faptivity”
“all you need is a foot in the whore”
Outstanding
And my all-time-fave: “Thermal exhaust port of love.”
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Mine is “plunged like a backed up toilet”.
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Lol that’s good! Actually laughed out loud. Damn Roissy, when you’re on you’re untouchable.
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I said it in when the OP went up, I’ll say it again, they ain’t your friends. They’re women. They’re playing a market, trying to get good value for their resource. There’s a price to pay. Given that, what’s it got to do with ‘friendship’ except that YOU ‘friend’, may buy her dinner tonight, another of her ‘friends’ will buy dinner tomorrow night? When you drop her off back at her house fed and half-drunk and unbanged-by-you at your expense, know that I (or my ilk) will happily be around an hour later to bang her for you. I couldn’t be happier if someone had bought ME dinner. They are NOT your friends. Stop giving them stuff, even your ear.
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Being upfront about having a boyfriend and specifying “friends” is a way for a taken girl to give out her number to a man she’s interested in while maintaining plausible deniability. Its not what is real, its what she can rationalize.
Its just standard monkey branching – girls with one foot out the door of a relationship rarely leave unless they have a replacement guy lined up.
That said nobody can say how interested or not she is without observing the interaction (body language, tone, etc) so Its probably a low yield number, but there’s no reason not to ping her and see.
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Let’s turn this around. Suppose she told the BF she was giving out her number to other guys, or he found out on his own. Do you think he’d be happy about that?
OF COURSE giving out the number is sexual. The IHAB may have many meanings, but why waste time trying to mind read a silly woman? Guys who are doing that prove they have no game because they’re still stuck in their own head, sperging out.
Just approach it as any other lead. Push it as far as it goes, as CH likes to say.
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How is the sneaky fucker strategy different from beta orbiting? It needs clarifying, because if there is a difference it’s far from obvious.
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“Beta orbiting” is doing “friends” things and pretending it isn’t a date and that you aren’t trying to get up her skirt and not trying to get up her skirt.
“Sneaky fucker” is doing date things and pretending it is “friends” things and trying to get up her skirt.
“I have a boyfriend” is an anti-slut defense just like wanting to hang out as “friends” is (especially if you get that one when she doesn’t have a boyfriend.)
That’s the game, that’s the art, ignoring her bullshit and the things she tells you and herself so she can say, “It just happened. I’m a good girl not a whore.”
Another difference between the two speaks to frame. Beta orbiting is thinking you have to convince her to sleep with you. That she isn’t interested and you need to jump through hoops or win her over.
Sneaky fucker is knowing you just have to create the right circumstances for her to hamster up a reason to bang you.
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Well, ok…maybe, but this is still dangerously close…You are investing energy, time and possibly money for a hypothetical future reward (that may never come), while she get entertained and possibly financed now…
But I get the point: at least you try quickly and casually, before having investing much, while worst-case beta orbiting is investing long and hard, then try your big move (with possible public embarassment).
Still, this can only be (very) short term: a sneaky-fucker that persist long and do not have side dishes is a beta orbiter…worse, a delusional beta orbiter…
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mindset:
beta = secretly butthurt
s.f. = secretly amused
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> “How is the sneaky fucker strategy different from beta orbiting?”
It’s all in the ATTITUDE.
The Beta Orbiters are grovelling to her.
But Sneaky Fucker is whispering the sh!znat in her ear which she wasn’t expecting to hear. Behaving differently than the grovellers. Setting himself apart from the normies.
Over time, Sneaky Fucker starts to intrigue her.
Then she starts to trust Sneaky Fucker.
Then she makes the mistake of being in a restaurant with Sneak Fucker and they drink a really nice bottle of Chardonnay, and before she knows it, they’re chugging down a second bottle of an even nicer Chardonnay, and then about two days later she wakes up in her bed and every orifice in her body is aching in pain from having been violated by Sneaky Fucker and she’s ashamed to even go to work because she would have to walk bow-legged around the office and so she calls in sick for a couple more days.
And Sneaky Fucker just chuckles to himself.
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I recommend Riesling-Guwurtziminer. Sweeter.
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A bottle of white wine or champagne in an ice bucket usually does the trick. Always have lots of ice at home.
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+Infinity on the Champagne.
If, after a bottle of Champagne, a ch!ck won’t phuck your ballz off and bear your offspring n!ne m0nths later, then you need to go back to Square One and completely re-invent yourself.
But Champagne is very $$$ish, and I was trying to save our brothers a few bucks – if the Georgetown eateries are charging our F-Street interlocutors $400 for a plate of ravioli, then the Champagne is gonna be moar like $2500.
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Plus you never want to start a chick off on the best stuff.
Start her off on the relatively inexpensive chardonnay, and then, over the years [or decades], make her EARN her way to the champagne.
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So the sneaky fucker bring the target to a nice restaurant, but her a bottle or 2, all of that just hoping that once the girl is inhebriated, he may push his luck and get promoted from friend who buy stuff to sexfriend?
While the beta orbiter, on the other if and, is completely different animal who…errrr….mkay.
No, sorry, don’t buy it. It may be all in the attitude, but in the end you have a lighter wallet and heavier balls, orbiters or sneaky. I agree that maintaining amused detachment with blue balls is no small performance, but all in all I prefer Skittles-man…
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Sneaky Fucker is just another tool in your w@rchest.
It’s a Long Game for when the situation isn’t right at the moment, but could be right at some moment in the future*, and it’s particularly useful if you find yourself working as a wage s1ave in a corporation with a viciously anti-White-male HR department.
Yes, Skittles Man Game is the very best Game of them all.
But there’s a time and a place to be Skittles Man, and there’s a time and a place to be Sneaky Fucker.
*Like two or three years from now, when the two of you get sent off to the same boring-as-he11 industry conference in the middle of nowhere, and there’s a big snow storm which cancels all of the outbound flights, and the two of you find yourselves together in the hotel restaurant, and suddenly two glasses of chardonnay turn into two bottles of chardonnay, after which she’s walking bow-legged for the rest of the week.
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The technology cannot be discounted in its role in facilitating this phenomenon.
Prior to the proliferation of smartphones and the iPhag epidemic around 2008-10, giving a phone number meant something very different. In fact before the rise of the cell phone in the early 2000s, it meant a phone call. As in a phone ringing. At night. Usually in her parents’ house. As in answering an actual voice on the other end of the line and having an, um conversation? As in “hello, how are you?”
It took balls to make a voice call, on a cell or on a landline, and girlz couldn’t just hang up.
Now, a phone number means a few words will float onto a screen and they can read them now, in a few hours, days, or never. Or they can feel empowered and hit the block button.
It means they can go out for drinks with their girlfriends and have a constantly vibrating phone (even if it is just orbiters) and show the girlz just how popular they are. Awkward phone calls at 9pm in their living rooms don’t accomplish that.
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“It means they can go out for drinks with their girlfriends and have a constantly vibrating phone (even if it is just orbiters) and show the girlz just how popular they are.”
Ding ding.
Winner.
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Nicely put… and since it’s something the girl can ignore in the future or use as beta orbiter cache, giving out a phone number these days can be considered “just being polite”, because it’s easier than an awkward “no” face-to-face to avoid confrontation… which is what they do.
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A local radio station does a morning bit every Monday they call the “Loser Line”, wherein gals give out the station’s designated phone number for that purpose, so they don’t have to say “no” outright.
And then hilarity (more like douche chills) ensues when the station plays back the attempts to hook up.
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I have another in mod…snagged my ex by calling. Was the thing she brought up that made me STAND OUT.
Called a chick last night, at the end “calling was really ballsy.”
You wanna stand out, try it. The bass in the male voice goes to their lizard brain. Texts on a window got NOTHING like this.
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I’m telling you guys, if average == normal == beta == begging and pleading with a chick for attention, and if off to the far right of the bell curve == unusual == Alpha, then you set yourself apart from the crowd by flipping the script and luring her into begging and pleading WITH YOU for YOUR ATTENTION.
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NO
NO
NO
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fess up, you read that on the internet?
Luring her…like into your windowless van with the taser in it?
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nah, it’s no fun when they’re unresponsive. do spring for the option package that includes the automatic zip tie and duct tape dispenser though.
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I have a great comment for that, but I was shoot immediatly to moderation every time
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df is with mod today?
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I keep telling myself I’m going to do the 100 approaches… it seems like it would be such a damned chore. How many here have done it?
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Just do it. See a girl? Would you bang her? Talk to her.
Don’t count them. You’re not “done” when you get to 100. 100 is just a trick to get you to not quit when it isn’t going well to help you know you’ve still got work to do. It is just something tangible so you can tell yourself you’ve done something.
You’re always approaching, always flirting. Approaching is just something you “do.”
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“See a girl? Would you bang her? Talk to her.”
For all intents & purposes, I would remove the ‘Would you bang her?’:
See a girl? Talk to her.
Just become completely accustomed to starting up conversations with random strangers in any and all situations.
It will do wonders for your psychological state, your sense of self-worth, and your outlook on life.
Meatspace is so much moar wonderful than the satanic prison which is the clownworld of scr0tial media.
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x1000
Probably the most accurate and immediately actionable post of real life experience I’ve read on this blog concerning this topic.
Any guy telling the truth will tell you your bang rate will be no higher than 5-7% of cold approaches (warm and social circle are different.)
You’re not done at 100. You’re done when you have what you want (quality gf, harem of skanks, etc.) I have a vague idea of my hit rate, but actually keeping stats and spreadsheets on this stuff is for losers who play fantasy afroball.
Go out, do it, and get what you want. You’re on the right team.
But I will tell you, no matter what you’re looking for, it’ll take more than 100 in today’s society…
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@FastEddie Like the salesmen say, “The guy with the most no’s wins.”
New guys, lurker guys, all of this stuff means jack-shit if you don’t go and talk to girls. Lifting, your clothes, getting your finances in order, a place to live, your charm and wit, your car, knowing the commandments of poon and the crib sheet is just a different kind of masturbation if you don’t approach girls and women.
All of this stuff is useless if you don’t talk to girls.
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Yes. Girl. Talk. Random.
A chick next to you on a flight? Talk. Bus? Talk. In line at the airport? Talk. Girl on the other side? Talk. Train? Talk. Street corner? Say somethin complimentary about their shoes…chick crack.
Fuckin just say something, even hi. Show them you ain’t scared of them. When you realize you’re not you will be able to actually pick them up.
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Yes to sales techniques. I worked for a company where you couldn’t get hired as a salesman unless the CEO sized up your wife first. Why? Should be obvious.
Game is all about sales, the same thing, up and down as selling big ticket items, instruments, projects, whatever. Numbers, numbers, numbers.
100 RFQ’s turn into
50 quotes turn into
10 negotiations turn into
5 orders
You have to punch everywhere you can that makes sense. You are shooting for more than 100 RFQ’s. Talk to anyone anywhere. That person may not need what you’re selling, but he / she probably does know someone who does. Referrals, personal relationships etc. are what sell. People buy from people.
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The Anglo Saxon/Northern European has been deeply conditioned to talk to strangers only when absolutely necessary.
I’m past my unease of striking up conversations with strangers, but it still pisses me the fûck off when strangers talk to me for no real purpose. I find it almost Niggerish.
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some good tips in here, but go for quality over quantity. be discerning and
choose your mark carefully, and then squeeze the most out of each one.
a girl wants to feel “s-p-e-c-i-a-l”. if you’re just running the numbers game her hamster will smell that like a dead fish and will likely respond in kind. ie, “meh. whatever. they all blend together”.
like Trav above over interviewed all my exes any what works for them and what doesn’t. one thing that comes up often is that they can tell when I guy is just mindlessly approaching and it triggers a feeling of disgust and sometimes sadism inside them. like, yeah, they’re going to give it up easily but not THAT easily.
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i have one stuck in mod- the main point was prev ex.
approached one time, dude asked her do u have bf. that was the moment of weakness. she knew he was looking for the ripcord instead of going in 100%. pre-letdown so he doens’t have to hear no when he asks for the number.
other guys ‘your bf must be really hot’ or ‘your bf is very lucky’…bs like this before even getting told it. never do it. ever.
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that last line re. fear is pure gold CH
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Well, it looks like the Black Pillers owe Carlos Danger an apology: More than 2,300 suspected child sex offenders arrested in nationwide bust!! http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3662812/posts
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are any of them the bigwig hollywood and gov’t ppl that he claimed were in 50M sealed indictments?
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Dude, 2,300 suspects are gonna require a he11uva lotta sealed indictments.
For just once, y’all Black Pillers have got to summon the strength of character to admit that what Carlos Danger and Q were talking about had a substantial kernel of Truth to it.
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No, I agree with Herretik on this one.
cathcuck has overpromised and underdelivered on child abuse (battered-wife-syndrome from the Clinton-Bush antipopish hysteria)
Also,
The Justice Department says the ICAC program, which got its start in 1998, has since resulted in more than 83,000 arrests
So the program average is 4000 per year. This 2300 is 6 months’ worth of a regular activity, that’s before accounting for the increased efficiency after the replacement of affirmative action hires and politruks with actual competent people at the top of DoJ.
A big number, indeed, but this is a country of 300 million. I suspect this was hush-hushed by MSM because perps are predominantly on the spic-nig-((tribe))-cousinmatch-dot-feather spectrum.
I’d wager <25% maybe as low as <10% of perps fall outside that spectrum
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it’s how our passive aggressive culture works now. they give out their number so they can reject the man later when they are not in person by either saying they have a boyfriend or just ignoring or blocking him. it’s similar to how people complain on twitter about poor service rather than doing something about it in person.
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yup…tis true
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So don’t walk into the Passive-Aggressive trap which the Black Widow is setting for you.
Be different.
Set yourself apart from the normie stooges.
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dude do you THINK IGAF that some bitch didn’t call me back?
NEXT. Her loss. Trap? What trap?
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egk’s got his knees past the sides of his chair
dat’s a manspread baby!
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Mildly OT: there’s a happy hour today after work for a colleague’s last day. I just noticed that a few women are showing a touch more cleavage than usual. Wat means?*
*h/t Bronze Age Pervert
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mendo, it means that you have to STOP CARING.
Go to the dadgum happy hour and have A FUN TIME.
Get drunk. Phuck your boss*. Or phuck a subordinate. Or phuck both your boss & a subordinate in a threesome.
And then wake up tomorrow morning, walk into work, and be summarily fired.
But you don’t give a sh!t whether you’re employed or unemployable.
Because you’re the Honey Badger.
[*mendo is about the only male in his entire office.]
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Mendo-
Oblivious is actually right about this (broken clock and such) but for all the wrong reasons.
He’s scared of broads. That’s the opposite of not caring and having fun with it. How do I know? Guys do 2 things when they’re scared of broads:
1) Raise their own value in their minds
2) Lower the broad’s value
All of his ranting about what sluts all chicks are is just his own little pep talk to himself about how there’s nothing to value so nothing to fear.
Scrap that shit. What’s that line from Top Gun? “You don’t think up there. If you think, you’re dead.”
And nobody starts at that level. If you feel like making a move, great. Bust one. If not, who cares. Have fun at the HH anyway.
You’re not going to get fired because YOU are not a Creepy Captain Oblivious.
And glad you’re my bro.
FE
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I always liked that line from Top Gun.
I’m gonna play this whole HH by ear. Some of these broads are on the older side (even though I’m sure I’m a few years older than them) and are m@rried, but I gotta make the most of the eye candy when they decide to bring it.
The best part: the choice is mine!
Glad you’re my bro!
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“All of his ranting about what sluts all chicks are is just his own little pep talk to himself about how there’s nothing to value so nothing to fear.”
My point is why would any man in his right mind want be like all of the other dumb phucks who waste away their lives trying to work their way up to the top of a queue [of 25 to 50 to 100 or moar Beta Orbiters in waiting] so that he can have the opportunity to become the 19th “piper” of a s1ag, where, even then, after all of that work, he has only just a 33% chance of breaking into her precious “would again” Hall of Fame?
When, instead, with the right Frame of Mind, he could flip the script on these s1ags and get them to wasting their own lives trying to prove their worth to him?
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Tokugawa Iemitsu asked his leading samurai what was most essential to success on the battlefield.
The samurai, it is said, conferred briefly among themselves, then presented their collective reply:
“One should never ponder.”
… Overthinking is deadly to success in many situations, not just a samurai battlefield.
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Again, CO, if you had an ounce of real life experience you would know the answer. The number 1 rule is:
Chicks fuck what’s right in front of them.
That’s why the workplace (is/was?) the top place to meet a spouse. It’s just repeat exposure.
Here end of the lesson.
And CO, I don’t have any ill will against you. You’re on this site and one of the bros. You’re knowledgeable about a lot of subjects. I’d probably like you in real life, but I’d also check you the same way when you start talking out of turn on a subject where guys a really willing to put in the work and make positive changes in their lives.
And that stuff ain’t helping. Go get some experience and report back or stick to the (admittedly) numerous subjects you are well versed in.
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FE, I’ll take one last stab at it.
You & F-Street & BJ33 are talking about your experiences working in sales, and how hard you have to bust your asses trying to turn 100 initial contacts into at most 5 actual sales.
And I’m trying to get that lightbulb to go off in your head, which makes you start wondering why you’re killing yourself to earn six figures per year in sales, when in fact the owner of your company is earning NINE figures per year in ownership.
I want you to start thinking like the owner who has a legion of sales droids busting their asses FOR HIM.
And from mendo’s point of view, at HH, you don’t phuck your boss [or your subordinate] because you’re busting your ass trying to get a leg up on 25 beta orbiters, 5 greater betas, 3 lesser alphas, and 2 legit Chads who are in line ahead of you.
You phuck your boss [or your subordinate] because you WANT to phuck your boss [or your subordinate].
And then you don’t give d@mn about it afterwards – for good or for ill – because you pwn your Inner Frame, and you just DO NOT CARE.
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Sounds great, CO. I’ll take the same tack that I do with libtards and socialism. Give me real world examples of how YOU made this so called zen buddha flip the script nonsense work for you.
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FE is right.
Chicks fuck what’s familiar. Women have a balance between two internal impulses- desire to fuck/intimacy and fear. There’s nothing else. Familiarity removes the fear side. What remains is their sex drive. Your job as a man is to squelch the fear and there’s pretty much not much more to it. They’re like birds; they spook easily.
And CO, who tf said I ever worked in sales?
I don’t work my way up a bitch’s queue dude. There’s no struggle. Basically I get them to go out with me via some txt or whatever and then I fuck them. If they go out with me I have their time. What work is this? If they don’t play ball on date 1 maybe they get a 2nd. There is no 3rd date if they don’t put out. There’s no beta orbiting, like I give a single fuck about those guys…they are the butt of pillow talk jokes, man. I go someplace cheap with them because I need a meal and I spring for a couple drinks for them tops.
You’re scared dude, don’t be scared bro. Scared of the imaginary Chads that you think are in front of you, scared of beta orbiters that you think you have to climb over. Scared of the girl having “too many” sex partners that are bigger dicked than you or better with it or both…and everything and everyone is beneath you, bc you are the Supreme Gentleman or whatever.
You’re using false bravado to hide chickenshittedness. Cut it out.
Mendo- be exceedingly careful at any work function. A bitch may give you CLEAR IOIs and then fuck you up later with HR.
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You write some good stuff, Fast Eddie. I like it.
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Appreciate ya.
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Just out of curiosity, when doing the 100 approaches, do follow ups count as anything?
I built a fairly successful business cold-calling and going door to door (not the same as approaching girls). But I found that making repeat contacts was a lot more productive than trying to close on the first contact. I could make a 1000 first contacts and not close anything but closed about 5% of my repeat contacts. And some of them took years and dozens of contacts.
The trick was setting a weekly contact goal and making enough first contacts to keep the base of prospects fresh but to focus more on the repeat contacts where you had already established some familiarity and trust.
Focusing too much energy on first contacts was exhausting and not productive.
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100 approaches would probably give you a solid base to work with, I was just wondering if there was a corresponding number of follow up contacts (not cold approaches) as a goal.
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Hey BJ33,
I meant to reply to you, but I got caught up in nonsense with Captain Oblivious.
Simple answer: it counts if you’re getting what you want out of it. Really, I can’t answer that until I know where you’re at. Do you still have AA or can you make the move on at least 8/10 broads you want to hit on?
If not, and there’s still some apprehension, work on that first. I think it took me about 500 before I really didn’t worry about it anymore. When you actually miss the anticipation before the approach because it’s just so normal for you, you’ve arrived.
If you’re already there, I’d be careful with blocking time to spam approach broads. It does seem like they can smell that on you (in my experience.) Just go about your day. You will have opportunities that present themselves.
In terms of follow-up, I’ve found if a broad doesn’t reply to my initial text within an hour or two, she’s probably not worth pursuing.
That said, if you’re bored and sitting on the shitter, feel free to shoot off some texts as well.
Don’t get hung up on the numbers. Focus on what you want and making moves toward it. This stuff is all just entertainment.
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Esteemed lords of the Chateau, a little off-topic.
Maybe it’s far-fetched. But still: was Elvis a beta?
I was just listening to some 50s music, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee, Elvis, etc.
And then it struck me: lyrics of the majority of Elvis’ songs are full of beta. E.g.:
treat me like a fool, treat me mean and cruel, but love me
put a chain around my neck and leave me anywhere… I don’t wanna be a lion
if you can’t come around at least please telephone…
don’t be cruel to a heart that’s true
one night with you is what i’m praying for…
just call my name, and I’ll be right by your side
if your great romance should end, and you’re lonesome for a friend
there’s always me
it hurts me to see him treat you the way that he does (this one is just bloody hilarious)
This list can go on and on, I hope you get the idea. Compared to that both JC and JLL sound like some badass DGAF rascals.
[CH: elvis was an alpha who could handicap himself with beta lyrics because it created the illusion of attainability for women. also, elvis plied the message of his music at a time when (white) men were still the undisputed champions and leaders of the nation, the city, the town, and the family. in that milieu, it doesn’t cost as much to betray beta longing as it would cost in an emasculated culture.]
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I’ll rephrase what CH said-
Elvis was alpha. That shit works when it comes out of the mouth of alpha. it isn’t what you say, it’s how you say it. If Alpha serenades a girl with a guitar outside her window, it is romantic. If beta does it, the cops get called and a restraining order filed.
For example. I’m a really good storyteller, bitches tell me they love to listen to my stories and could listen all night. Sometimes I talk about obscure shit like partial pressures of oxygen at depth e.g. in scuba diving. Do you think it matters to them what I’m talking about? Anymore than it mattered what Elvis sang? Elvis could have sung ANYTHING- he was fkin Elvis. Women aren’t focused on the facts or the details, they are focused on their EMOTIONAL RESONANCE WITH YOU. They are a VIOLIN that is sentient and they love to be PLAYED WELL.
It’s not what you say it’s how you carry yourself when you say it.
“When EF Hutton talks, people listen.” Be EF fucking Hutton.
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http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20180612-the-reasons-why-womens-voices-are-deeper-today
More science… The female voices getting deeper, not just manjaws are caused by testosterone..
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“For both men and women, the people who had lowered their pitch ended up with a higher social rank, and were considered to be more dominant in the group…”
For years now, I’ve been practically screaming at dudes to work on the sonorousness & pacing & cadence & depth of their voices.
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Surprised this is seen as complicated……it isn’t…..not even a little bit.
If a chick gives you her number, text/call, be charismatic, game her, and drop innuendo when appropriate.
A cardinal game rule: better to be too aggressive than too passive.
Make HER stop you, don’t stop yourself ffs.
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