If ¡SCIENCE! was a woman, she’d beg me to fill her belly with my champions.
Thanks to the id-exposing carnal house of online dating, a treasure trove of social science data has dropped, and it confirms numerous pearls of wisdom and Game techniques tenderly curated in the Chateau Heartiste Library of Love.
Aspirational pursuit of mates in online dating markets
Romantic courtship is often described as taking place in a dating market where men and women compete for mates, but the detailed structure and dynamics of dating markets have historically been difficult to quantify for lack of suitable data. In recent years, however, the advent and vigorous growth of the online dating industry has provided a rich new source of information on mate pursuit. We present an empirical analysis of heterosexual dating markets in four large U.S. cities using data from a popular, free online dating service. We show that competition for mates creates a pronounced hierarchy of desirability that correlates strongly with user demographics and is remarkably consistent across cities. We find that both men and women pursue partners who are on average about 25% more desirable than themselves by our measures and that they use different messaging strategies with partners of different desirability. We also find that the probability of receiving a response to an advance drops markedly with increasing difference in desirability between the pursuer and the pursued. Strategic behaviors can improve one’s chances of attracting a more desirable mate, although the effects are modest.
Strategic behaviors — aka GAME — can help a man attract a higher quality girl. Modest? Depends on your definition of success. I’ve always said men shouldn’t expect Game to consistently land them hard 10s, but they can expect to land girls an SMV point or two higher than what they would otherwise manage to pull without Game.
Let’s explore what’s hiding in SCIENCE’s cleavage. First, mate selection studies agree that there is a universal ideal of high sexual market value (SMV, measured as youth and beauty in women and as a combination of traits in men):
It is a common observation that marriage or dating partners strongly resemble one another in terms of age, education, physical attractiveness, attitudes, and a host of other characteristics. One possible explanation for this is the matching hypothesis, which suggests that men and women pursue partners who resemble themselves. This in turn implies that people differ in their opinions about what constitutes a desirable partner or at least about who is worth pursuing. At the other extreme, and more in line with biological studies of mate selection, lies the competition hypothesis, which assumes that there is consensus about what constitutes a desirable partner and that mate seekers, regardless of their own qualifications, pursue those partners who are universally recognized as most desirable. Paradoxically, this can also produce couples who resemble one another in terms of desirability, as the most desirable partners pair off with one another, followed by the next most desirable, and so on. To the extent that desirability correlates with individual attributes, the matching and competition hypotheses can, as a result, produce similar equilibrium patterns of mixing.
The ripples of mate choice that disturb the observable surface of the sexual market indicate much more powerful waves underneath which guide people’s romantic choices.
However, while the two hypotheses may produce similar outcomes, they carry very different implications about the processes by which people identify and attract partners. If there is consensus about who is desirable, then it creates a hierarchy of desirability such that individuals can, at least in principle, be ranked from least to most desirable, and their ranking will predict how and to what extent they are pursued by others. Historically, however, these hierarchies have been difficult to quantify. Since they reflect which partners people pursue, and not just who people end up with, one would need a way to observe unrequited overtures and requited ones to determine who people find desirable. Online dating provides us with an unprecedented opportunity to observe both requited and unrequited overtures at the scale of entire populations.
This explains the category error made by feminists of either sex, by tradcons, and by suckup white knights when they incorrectly conclude that people’s first choice in mate is the mate they end up with. Nope. Bobbing in the wake of every successfully reciprocated choice is the lovelorn detritus of more attractive but unfulfilled choices.
“Aspirational” pursuit of mates completes the full sexual market picture, filling in those blank spaces normally left overlooked by a quantitative data focus on how men and women eventually match up.
We also explore the ways in which people tailor their messaging strategies and message content based on the desirability of potential partners, and how desirability and dating strategy vary across demographic groups.
Play to your audience. Don’t overgame a plain jane, don’t over-beta a hottie.
To study individual desirability, we focus on messages between users of the website in four cities: New York, Boston, Chicago, and Seattle.
Paper should really be titled, “Aspirational pursuit of shitlib mates”.
Figure 1 shows the distribution of this quantity separately for men and women in each of the cities. The distribution is roughly consistent across cities, and although women receive more messages than men overall,
Women receive more messages than men. Spread the seed, hoard the eggs. Check.
the distributions for both display a classic “long-tailed” form—most people receive a handful of messages at most, but a small fraction of the population receive far more.
The bottom 10% of women receive fewer than five messages. The bottom 25% of men receive fewer than five messages. Female hypergamy is real. Check.
Corollary: a small fraction of online daters receives most of the messages. Online dating is low investment, low return. Check.
However, desirability is not only about how many people contact you but also about who those people are. If you are contacted by people who are themselves desirable, then you are presumptively more desirable yourself.
The Chateau’s definition of the alpha male co-signed by SCIENCE. Check.
As shown in Fig. 2, for instance, average desirability varies with age for both men and women, although it varies more strongly for women, and the effects run in opposite directions: Older women are less desirable, while older men are more so (18, 19).
The existence of The Wall and men aging like wine, women like milk, vindicated by SCIENCE. Check.
For women, this pattern holds over the full range of ages on the site: The average woman’s desirability drops from the time she is 18 until she is 60. For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines.

Men are expendable, women perishable. Check.
SMV sex-based double standards are real and immutable. Check.
Barely legal sexpots and older charming billionaire werewolf fantasies reflect real romantic desires of each sex. Check.
May-December romances are normal and natural. Check.
In keeping with previous work, there is also a clear and consistent dependence on ethnicity (15, 20), with Asian women and white men being the most desirable potential mates by our measures across all four cities.

Desirability is associated with education most strongly for men, for whom more education is always more desirable. For women, an undergraduate degree is most desirable (13); postgraduate education is associated with decreased desirability among women. These measurements control for age, so the latter observation is not a result of women with postgraduate degrees being older (table S2).
LMAO overeducated careerist shrikes BTFO. ps check.
We now turn to the central results of our study. First, we use our desirability scores to explore whether people engage in aspirational mate pursuit (that is, messaging potential partners who are more desirable than they are) and how the probability of receiving a reply varies with the difference in desirability between senders and receivers. […]
The most common (modal) behavior for both men and women is to contact members of the opposite sex who on average have roughly the same ranking as themselves, suggesting that people are relatively good judges of their own place in the desirability hierarchy. The distributions about this modal value, however, are noticeably skewed to the right, meaning that a majority of both sexes tend to contact partners who are more desirable than themselves on average—and hardly any users contact partners who are significantly less desirable.
Note that while both sexes aim out of their league, this has to be weighted against the number of each sex considered attractive enough for sex, and because more women than men get messaged (more men are considered no-gos by women) the result of contacting more desirable prospects is that more women get contacted in general.
…women are more likely than men to receive replies—but among both women and men, the probability of a reply is a decreasing function of desirability gap, more desirable partners replying at lower rates than less desirable ones. The differences are stark: Men are more than twice as likely to receive a reply from women less desirable than themselves than from more desirable ones, and for messages sent to more desirable women, the reply rate never rises above 21%. Yet, the vast majority of men send messages to women who are more desirable than themselves on average. Messaging potential partners who are more desirable than oneself is not just an occasional act of wishful thinking; it is the norm.
Men practice a dragnet strategy; drag the net over the ASCII sea and collect a number of tasty red snappers while keeping the nets open in the hopes of catching that prized sturgeon. Women employ a different strategy; spearfishing. Target only the alpha fish and take aim.
Conditioned on the number of messages sent, men and especially women who reach higher up the desirability ladder tend to write to a less diverse set of potential matches, in terms of desirability gap. This behavior, consistent across all four cities, indicates that mate seekers, and particularly those setting their sights on the most desirable partners, do not adopt a diversified strategy to reduce the risk of being rejected, as one might, for instance, when applying to universities.
Maybe people think very desirable prospects will love them if they “share values” and outlook. Big mistake.
Women initiate far fewer contacts than men, but both sets of curves fall off with increasing desirability gap in all four cities. One might imagine that individuals who make a habit of contacting potential partners significantly more desirable than themselves (large positive desirability gap) would also initiate more contacts overall to increase their chances of getting a reply, but they do the opposite: The number of initial contacts an individual makes falls off rapidly with increasing gap, and it is the people approaching the least desirable partners who send the largest number of messages. A possible explanation is that those who approach more desirable partners are adopting a “quality over quantity” approach, more precisely identifying people they see as an attractive match or spending more time writing personalized messages, at the expense of a smaller number of messages sent.
This seems to be a bad strategy that exists only because online dating is an evolutionarily novel environment that hasn’t yet weeded out people who practice it. I mean, the definition of anti-Game is trying too hard to impress a more desirable prospect. (Wait for it, because the study addresses my skepticism.)
Both men and women tend to write substantially longer messages to more desirable partners, up to twice as long in some cases. The effect is larger for messages sent by women than by men, although there are exceptions.
Women can be exceptionally cold toward beta males while effusing with egregious feminine ardor for alpha males. Lesson: whether you’re a beta or alpha male, don’t mistake the treatment you get from women for how women treat all men.
Among the groups we study, for instance, it is men in Seattle who have the most pronounced increase in message length.
Seattle is soyboy central. Too much estrogen. Very sad!
[Of the cities studied, Seattle presents the most unfavorable dating climate for men, with as many as two men for every woman in some segments of the user population (fig. S1)].
Isn’t pantifa headquartered in Seattle? No wonder they’re so worked up.
Here, we see an interesting difference between women and men: The women show an increase in their use of positive words when communicating with more desirable partners, while the men show a decrease. The effect size is modest but is consistent across all four cities and statistically significant (P < 0.001; table S4).
Subconsciously, men perceive their upbeat motivational emoting to be a value lowering trait in the company of cute babes. Evidence for the evolved neg?
Buckle up, because here comes the big payoff in term of implications for effective Game tactics used in the seduction of women:
in all four cities, men experience slightly lower reply rates when they write more positively worded messages. Although our analysis cannot reveal the underlying process that gives rise to these behaviors (for example, reinforcement learning), this result may offer a hint about why men tend to write somewhat less positive messages to more desirable partners.
Men have more success at getting responses from more desirable women if the men send less enthusiastic messages. Be A Challenge, Flip The Script, Skittles Man and Bring Da Movies strategies vindicated.
On average, people pursue partners who are roughly 25% more desirable than they themselves are. In the language of matching and competition introduced at the start of this article, it appears that people are pursuing a hybrid strategy with elements of both—they are aware of their own position in the hierarchy and adjust their behavior accordingly while, at the same time, competing modestly for more desirable mates.
If you really want to bang and date an HB8, you’ve got to compete immodestly for the hotties and modestly for less desirable girls. Turn that message rate pyramid upside down; more messages to the hotties, fewer messages to the wannabe thotties.
Our results on aspirational mate pursuit are consistent with the popular concept of dating “leagues,” as reflected in the idea that someone can be “out of your league,” meaning that attractive matches are desirable for but unavailable to less attractive others. Provided that leagues are envisaged as a single continuous hierarchy rather than as distinct strata, our results suggest that, contrary to popular belief, attracting the attention of someone out of one’s league is entirely possible.
Related, I’ve long had to correct misinterpretations of my Dating Market Value categorization system in which ignorant or bad faith readers assume concepts like alpha male and beta male are discrete entities rather than (as this study’s authors state about “dating leagues”) continuous SMV hierarchies.
One might wonder how the patterns we observe online might inform our understanding of offline mate pursuit and dating markets. Online dating differs from offline dating in several important ways (25). Because of the high volume of partners and low threshold for sending a message, competition for potential partners’ attention is likely fiercer online than offline. This may increase the extent to which a hierarchy of desirability exists online and reduce people’s willingness to respond to less desirable mates: When there are plenty of fish in the sea, one can afford to throw a few back. It has also been suggested that consensus about what makes an attractive partner is strongest in the early stages of courtship, when partners do not know as much about one another (26, 27). While it is difficult to study early courtship offline—our method requires unrequited overtures, which are hard to observe in offline interactions—these differences suggest that hierarchies of desirability may be more pronounced online than off.
Now where have we all read this before? Oh yeah. And oh yeah.
Bloody hell, will SCIENCE ever stop slurping my knob?

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Damn….you’ve been busy
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That article is a squirting geyser fountain of realtruth.
Butwait, butwait, men are supposed to find the girls with lotsa degrees to be teh sexy, what what what?
CH
LMAO overeducated careerist shrikes BTFO. ps check.
Paging Sheryl Sandberg! Cleanup on aisle H.
It’s a motherload!
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First time through read that as “massage length” which probably fits just as well.
Fixed that. A man with some Game could clean up in Seattle, because so many of the male hyumans are soyboys, terminally betaized or gay bottoms. Wahmen are very thirsty out there.
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The YouTube thot, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, lives in Seattle–if memory serves.
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DuckDuckgo confirms.
Conservative millennial dame living in the communist hellscape of Seattle.
One of her vids is “Butch Broads and Soy Boys”.
Man, I don’t know if I can handle all this confirmation at one time.
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In Seattle, though, those Beta Boys are gonna be multi-millionaires from their Microsoft or Amazon stock.
Best bet there is Bad Boy Game.
Striking from the shadows.
Let her take Beta Bux Seed for the rest of the month, but plant your seed in her a day or two before 0vulation.
Make it thrilling for her.
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MSFT stock, Cappy? Really?! I can see AMZN but they’s two done be competing with cloud services. MSFT beefs up their cloud numbers with what they sell via their Office 365, which isn’t what “cloud” refers to.
That being said, I can spare about 15-20 minutes and indoctrinate Beast girl on what to do.
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I’m saying that if you’re a 6’4″ Natural Chad, with a net worth of $5K to $50K, who drives a Ford F150, going up against a 5’10” Unnatural Soiboi, replete with man-b00bs and a net worth of $5M to $50M [in MSFT or AMZN stock], who drives a Porsche 911 GT3 WTFE, then Beta Bux are probably gonna whoop your ass for roughly 25 days out of 28.
Your best chance is to pounce during those three most specially important days of all.
Give her what her Hamster is dying for.
A rising pulse rate. The smell of danger. A risk, a gamble, a thrill.
And then disappear right back into the shadows for another three & a half weeks until you see her again.
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Isn’t the ratio of single young men to women atrocious in Seattle? Due to the tech sector being there
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Right. That was covered above.
It’s why I’m warning mendo that the competition is gonna be stiff up there, even though the competition is a bunch soiboi phags.
You always want to maneuver for as little competition as possible.
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Also, the worse the M/F ratio, the worse the female behavior becomes, because the dudes get so thirsty that they’ll put up with almost anything in “their” women [whom they’re actually sharing with Chad for about three days a month].
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A man with game can clean up in many places. He probably does not want to in the Pacific Northwest given the quality and the ratio of the women there.
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When I hear Pacific Northwest, I think of the Brawny man.
But I guess it’s the Broni mangina out in SeaTac?
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I’ve never been there, but both Eastern Oregon & Eastern Washington [away from the Western Coasts] are supposed to be like Heaven on earth.
Apparently it’s very agricultural [to include some dynamite grape vineyards for the winemaking].
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Also things like Bulb Farms & Rose Farms & Tree Farms – some really outstanding horticultural specimens are grown up there, once you get away from the cities.
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Eastern Oregon and Washington are part of the “great American redoubt.” The climate for growing fruits, vegetables is astounding and it’s said to be a great place to bug out to. Only problem is liberal state laws. Montana and Idaho much more freedom-oriented, but climate not as great. Idaho seems to be best bet.
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Epic work CH. well done.
Too bad the study will be swept under the rug because it doesn’t fit the acceptable narrative.
Like the studies on racial differences, the Holocaust, false rape claims, etc.
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More than one month would have given more data and finer grain results. But January is a good one to pick, with the post-Christmas letdown and some “gotta get going by Valentines” anxiety for the wahmen.
Aw, man! I was hoping for “we stalked the tame shitlib in its natural habitat” but it was really all about keeping travel distances more or less short. That even makes sense.
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Of course men don’t really “peak” at 50, that’s ludicrous (cue irked boomers). But I clicked through and looked at the data and it made much more sense. The male desirability by age is almost a straight line, while the female desirability is a steep drop.
I think the biggest point about “peak” is that an individual man can potentially peak at pretty much any point, life is what you make of it. While women are going peak in their teens and drop steadily, no matter what they do. Its a stark contrast.
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True. Given that, I’d say 50 is more of a mean of peakness–peakness in general. For some, it’s been a solid 30+ years of getting year and reaping something unreal (not for them) and for others taking their time, it’s almost a coronation. . .
. . .for those with the predisposition of constantly improving themselves and having standards that they from which they never waver.
With all that, like you said, it’s about succeeding and striving at any time in your life. That as men, it’s who we are and what we do.
(Scusi if this is all somewhat messy…touch o’ the mead right now.)
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Very succinct and well-stated. Although young men generally speaking don’t have their shit together enough and especially so with this generation. Men tend to hit their stride later in the 20s at a minimum. But as you pointed out, if you have your shit together you can swoop hotties into your nursing home days. (relatively speaking)
It is also what drives women into fits of hysterical rage because it soooooo unfair. But try to tell a 25 yo thot she is squandering her best years and you will be laughed at and scorned. It is only at 45 when swallowing that entire bottle of Xanax seems like a logical play.
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Since this is for online dating, I’ll repeat something that trav and I touched on earlier. Older guys can get a lot of attention…from older women. I’m a tall, successful white guy in good shape in my mid 30s. If I go into major cities and open my age range I get a ton of matches in their 30s. They’re nice, enthusiastic, compliment me…and they look half as good as they did 15 years ago and have a quarter of the eggs. I get some matches in their 20s, but way less than when I was in my early 30s. And a few in their 40s.
My conclusion is that by your late 30s it’s crucial to have game, status, money, and access to younger women somehow, otherwise you’re just some old guy and I hope you like women who look like shit.
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It is imperative to harness any cache of younger women you can. I found in my past that finding a nice 19 year old hb4, say a 24 bmi and an ugly face, but hey still a teenager, and then getting to know all her friends is a good way to meet new young girls. Plus you can drink with them and they are DUMB.
Also keep yourself enrolled in a local community college. Just take an art class of some sort every semester. Something you find interesting and fun. Maybe one semester you paint oils, the next you tumble and shape rocks, the next you write some poetry, etc etc. Not only do you look all cultured and have something to do twice a week, but you have something to do twice a week with a bunch of poor stupid young women, who naturally look up to you when they see just how ‘cultured’ you are.
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Rock tumbling class? Fuck that faggot shit. A man should be working on his dreams, his mission. It’s one of the commandments right?
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“Rock tumbling class?”
Straight out of that old classic “How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35” by R.Don Steele. It’s funny cause it works.
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Community colleges are great hunting grounds if your taste is fat Mexicans and single moms.
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Tried putting up the graph before. It’s such a classic, right up there with the blue/pink SMV curve. I’ll try a couple of different ways to get it in a comment.
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50 is probably the peak for a man when considering beta bux. It’s probably about half that when considering alpha fux. Most men are more desirable from a physical POV at 25 than 50. It’s just that with men, status and money can make up for lack of looks. Hugh Hefner was proof of that. A 90 year old man who had enough status and money to bang 20 year old girls who could have been his great granddaughters. Most 20 year old girls find nothing physically attractive about a 90 year old man, but if said 90 year old man has enough money and status, she’ll suck it up and sleep with him.
Money and status would do nothing to get a 90 year old woman a handsome 20 year old young man.
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Fellow readers and commenters-what do you make of the ranking of asian women over white?
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A whole lotta White men have neither the patience nor the nads nor the Game for dealing with the b!tchy snarky hateful crap you get outta White women these days?
OTOH, it might also indicate that White women are the moast hypergamous of all females…
That would not be good.
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Why would that not be good if they are the most hypergamous? If white males are the most desired that would just mean, logically, that they would only want their own kind.
I think the asian aspect is because it was done in cities. Asian girls have broad appeal and are less intimidating than white women. In a city of unfriendly faces you aren’t going out on a saturday night to get your ego kicked in the balls some more.
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If you’re a beta niceguy, white women with any smv will treat you like dirt. Asian women might just be nice back. They’re also less likely to be fat tatted monsters.
White women need oppression.
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>>> “Why would that not be good if they are the most hypergamous?”
Because we’re supposed to be the K-Selected 1-Man/1-Woman Race.
Not the R-Selected Po1ygamous ch!mpanzees murd3ring one another over a pair of bassetball sneakers in (((Rahm Emanuel’s Chicongoland))).
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CO is right here. It’s an effort worth reward. Also, generally speaking all Asian women want a white man. So basically if you are a SMV 7 to a white girl you become at least an 8 to an Asian. Also most Asian women still act feminine and stay skinny. Their FOB mom’s have no issue fat shaming them still.
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Its pretty much exclusively about higher rates of obesity among White women, especially in the online dating cohort. If you adjusted for BMI, my hunch is White women would easily take the championship trophy.
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That’s certainly one possibility.
But another possibility is that the Hamsters of White chicks in Bluetropolis are now so insane that the Top 50% of White chicks are all trying for the Top 1% of Chads.
Which might then imply that the bottom 80% of White men in Bluetropolis have given up on White chicks altogether, and are so dejected that they’re just hoping for a little stinky yellow sideways action instead.
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An uncanny number of my buddies from high school merried Asian women. And it’s especially odd because I’m from a small town with no Asians.
A consistent story was they had attractive white girlfriends their same age in high school, then they went to college or got jobs and broke up (usually got dumped) and struggled to replicate their high school gf relationship in the dating scene of college or the larger cities they went to when they graduated.
Asian women were never the ideal. None of the guys really “had a thing” for Asians when we were young. If given the choice they’d choose a white girl. But after struggling for a decade or so in the post high school dating market they either lost confidence in themselves or just chalked up women’s behavior in general to an unsolveable mystery of the universe and were willing to settle. Asian women gave them a semblance of what they were looking for originally; a relatively feminine attractive partner so they just cashed in their chips figuring thats the best they could do.
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I can count off a number of similar stories. This is white genocide.
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It’s horrible. The only nonwhites in my 99.9% white area are the asian pets of beta white guys. They insist on bringing them here to ruin our nice homogeneous communities.
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>>>>> “This is white genocide.”
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Lower BMI, better personality from their culture, and they hit the wall later in life. But, the longer they’ve lived in the U S the worse their personality. White girls have the genetic stock to outshine Asians simply through behavior modification. Hitting the wall later is a genetic advantage in the modern world of latter marriage, a 30 yr old oriental has more remaining mileage than an 30 yr old occidental. Some people also have a fascination with exotic things so dating an Asian can have that attraction. Not many white girls can cook up a tasty dog meat stew.
[CH: in the worldwide beauty sweepstakes, a slender young White woman is the gold standard. williamk is right; the reason asian chicks currently outshine them is because obesity has ravaged the white woman communitaaaahh]
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6’s and above all get messages me, the same stock opener.
I’ve never come across a really attractive girl and thought I better pass on this one.
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The takeaway with the “really attractive girls” is that you need to open with at least a soft neg, if not a thermonukular neg.
Like that HB at work, to whom you said, “You’re doing a good job!”
Instead, you should have said, “Those pants make your butt look fat.”
Or, “That bra makes your b00bs look droopy.”
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The one market to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.
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There’s been a big controversy over at Rollo’s. Getting sex when you’re married is so easy according to some PUAs. Like you bought the cow and the milk is free. I can tell you, that ain’t how it works. Girls require game, married or no. You _may_ not have to deal with ASD and LMR with your wife, but then again, you might, especially if you’ve been separated for a few months.
Game is always required with girls–even with a wife. Play with their emotions, mess with their mental/physical balance, sexualize, invoke Dread/Preselection. Pretty much the same as Pickup/Spinning Plates.
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I’ve had a modicum of success in online dating. But only by making a very single mom friendly profile, and banging away at cute young single moms who somehow think I’ll save them. They get pretty dang upset when you dump them after meeting their kid. Like that’s my responsibility… Block, rinse, repeat.
Using online forum game though? That takes a much bigger investment as you need to find a picture of the girl, quickly, or hang out in a place where you will find more thin women then average. Still go for the picture quick. I’ve also found that a healthy dose of fat (and ugly) shaming helps naturally weed out the ugly fat girls. Most of the truly hot girls I’ve ever banged were from online forum pickups.
Nothing beats just meeting in RL though. But really I think day game actually takes more time to invest per hottie bang than online forum game. Though afaik I’m the only person who has written online form pickup guides, and I’ve never met anyone other than me who had much success. Though it was mostly extreme betas and incels that tried to use my guide and would message me.
ToG you ever try picking up women on forums? Just PM them and start chatting? Just like if you walked up to them at a bar.
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Can you PM if you have a WordPress account?
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I gotta say other than setting up a half ass Tinder account as a social experiment to appease my curiosity I have very little experience with online procurement of poon. Most of it involved gaming girls I already had RL social interaction with via AIM messenger back in the day. I wasn’t fully cognizant of it at the time, but I feel like my instinct was repelled(or repulsed) by thought of using cyberspace as a way to charm broads or get laid, and for the very reasons mentioned by CH and of course !FUCKING SCIENCE!
As for Tinder I was somewhat surprised at the results bc I expected a shitload of responses from sub par girls. Instead I received low quantity but better quality, far better. I had 6 women intrigued(for whatever reason) but they were all 7-8 range except for one 22 yr old 9 and they were very receptive. I smashed the 22 yr old 9 for 3 weeks before she left town for a paid internship. However, despite game being on point, there was always this feeling of lack of authenticity during our fling. I feel like if I met her initially in real life, whether day or nightgame, social circle game whatever, I could have convinced her to blow off the stupid internship to pump for 3 MORE weeks, then dump, and still have her think fond memories of me years down the line…
Long story short it took a lot of the fun, risk, excitement and taste away from my philandering. As for my initial Tinder expectations. I’m 5’10 30 yrs old about 175-180 with an ecto-meso build, lean, long arms and six pack. (I did do the shirtless douche look) Definitely not ugly but not cute or pretty boy either. I’m skinhead bald and have a long nose and have been told I’m handsome in a “noble way” as well as “you look you killed or want to kill somebody” (by the same 22 yr old 9)
So despite my first try at online fornication being an initial pleasant surprise I was disillusioned pretty quick…
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I live near Seattle and can confirm. I personally get btfo constantly, and I see obviously above average men clinging to hambeasts. It’s no wonder the cunt won here
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Yep the Chad -Hefer combo. Increasingly common. And when an actual hottie sees that combo the SMV of the Chad drops in her eyes. Plain Jane may still desire him, but his “taste” still leaves a bad taste in her mouth(maybe his too).
The McFatties and Old Yellers eyes light up though.
Hulking Chads and Sulking Cads these are the main sexually desirable male archetypes. In a very simple nutshell. Yet why are so many Chads dumpster diving(in daylight no less) ???! The sulking cads, well you don’t see these ltypes with monstrosities or frumps, let alone flaunted, if you did then they aren’t true sulking cads. So are these fatty fetish Chads real “Chads”
Imagine a 8.5-9 range beauty. The betas and herbs are either scared to approach or are obsequious. The Chad will, but didn’t he date that frumpy girl from the bar and the chubby chick from Starbucks? Eeek. If he’s good in bed or has charisma why dem bitches? And the Sulking Cad where he at? She doesn’t even know about him until she sees or meets him
Am I crazy to think there is some hamster-enforced semi-celibacy phenomenon, a true case of hyper hypergamy if there was one, among certain attractive women in recent years? And that this hypergamy is shattered by the Man of Game whether Chad, Cad, Athlete or Mass Murderer or any archetype?
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/16/decriminalisation-of-domestic-violence-in-russia-leads-to-fall-in-reported-cases
The Russian men getting help from the government…
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What’s the point of sex without reproduction?
[CH: pleasure]
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Daddy always said treat a whore like a lady and a lady like a whore.
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have heard that line many times
sure, treating a whore like a lady will get you in her pants but to what end? all you’ll end up with is whore who thinks she deserves to be treated like a lady and in the end, all you’ve got is a whore. no thanks
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Why devote a lot of time, energy, resources to the pursuit of a fleeting pleasure? How is that a logical choice? IMO it is only worthwhile if you are reproducing. Your website is very good but if you highlight and condemn modern degeneracy you should also refrain from promoting more degeneracy.
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E, check out today’s new essay a few after this one, “Twatter Is Leveraging Liberal Fragility”.
We’re talking meta-applications of the principle of “Agree & Amplify”, and, in particular, here we would be fighting degeneracy WITH degeneracy.
Think of a wildlife service firefighter, out there in California right now, who is setting controlled counter-fires in the path of the major conflagrations, so as to deny them any fuel to spread further.
tl;dr == Chr!st Cuckery doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in he11 when the opponent is the Frankfurt School.
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sex isn’t only for procreation
it is a necessary act to ensure bonding and attachment between couples. it also reduces stress, provides a lot of health benefits, etc
there’s a reason people still have sex between k1ds, while she’s pregnant, after menopause, in old age, etc. there are many benefits beyond baby making.
if you believe it should only be for procreation, that means only doing it during the couple of days while she’s ovulating each month and that’s obviously absurd
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Dont single out Heartiste for this. We all bear the scars of modernity(some of them get us laid, others not) God works in mysterious ways…
Besides sex is pleasurable for a reason and one can be continent and still very sexually active, even with gusto! But it usually involves matrimony, but wait! That’s not sacred anymore, and we wonder why there is divorce rape, actual cuckery( not blog commentator screaming CUCK at every dissenting viewpoint) and sluttery…
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I fuck my wife all the time when she’s pregnant.
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I agree with you Cracker, but that’s more for health and social bonding purposes really. Which is good for the next generation, as it strengthens the love between the parents. But what is the good of going around screwing slutty girls, what benefit does it give? Why promote that? How’s it good for society or good for children? It has no purpose really. It will only make the virgin good girls lose interest in you, and who wants a whore as mother of his children? And you could catch diseases you’ll then pass on to your future wife and children, harming them.
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i agree on all counts. can’t say i haven’t done it in the past but banging sloots is not something. i recommend or condone. and hell yes, whores should not be the kind of women you should choose gf/wife up or choose to raise your ch1ldren. that is a monumental mistake many men make and it’s a huge one for all concerned. for you, your k1ds, and society as a whole. do not do!
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What is the point of always avoiding reproduction? You want to be a candidate for the Darwin awards.
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If nothing else, having an understanding of how the sexual marketplace operates is useful, even if you have trad values. I don’t thing the writing of Heartiste is beyond the pale, what people do with the knowledge is up to them.
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Worthwhile stuff links re online dating surveys, coming at it from more of a red pill perspective.
https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/female-mating-skew/
https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/female-mating-skew-ii-supported-by-online-dating-experiment/
https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2015/10/12/pof-experiment/
I believe this guy has posted here before.
[CH: yes, i believe i wrote a post here about a post he wrote at his blog]
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Also
https://sirtyrionlannister.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/tinder-experiment-inferring-population-preference-functions-using-a-simple-binary-task-choice-on-a-dating-app/
Consistent finding – moderately attractive women get essentially the same number of messages as highly attractive women. But for men, there is a massive dropoff in message quantity received by highly attractive versus merely above average attractiveness men, who receive relatively few. And as you go down the attractiveness curve, average attractiveness men receive essentially zero messages, while average attractiveness women still get boatloads of messages.
Online can be pretty damned productive for the hottest men and also for plain women, who get lotsa attention and validation online.
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Short Indian spergs can make some truly interesting commentary. Great blog to read through
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It was slow at the call center, so he wrote a footnote for his upcoming mugnum opus.
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Asian women are generally (1) feminine; (2) slim/petite (no yucky cellulite); (3) pleasant.
Asian women are also: (1) Boring (even if they’re smart, they’re career robots); (2) hyper materialistic; (3) hyper status conscious.
It’s hard to find a genuinely pretty one. Really hard. Also, while they age very well into their 40s, after that they plummet into an asexual abyss. Should never be a long term consideration.
Overall: Long term pass, short term mostly pass.
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I’ve seen that cutoff age sometimes going well into their 60s. Granted, depends on if they keep their oriental diet or subscribe to a processed foods diet.
Two jobs ago, my boss was Japanese–both her folks were Nippon, but she was born & raised here. She had a nice rack on her, but her diet wasn’t always on point and she’d bloat up once in awhile.
But by 60, whatever wrinkles were in a holding pattern before that start landing at once.
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Japanese are an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT race.
Don’t include Japanese when you’re talking about g00ks.
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Excellent work, Mr. Heartiste! Stuff like this keeps me coming back.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_Concerning_the_Increase_of_Mankind,_Peopling_of_Countries,_etc.
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Thinking about r/K, competition hypothesis sounds like r selection, and matching hypothesis sounds like K selection. If you have some segregation, like an all-white sorority or fraternity party, then the r selection will generate K selection results.
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[…] GAME CONFIRMED By Biomechanical Truths Uncovered In Online Dating Market Research – We present an empirical analysis of heterosexual dating markets in four large. […]
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