Here is a system for determining your dating market value if you are a man. Dating market value is a measurement of how you stack up against other men in the competition for attracting female interest. Be honest with yourself taking this survey. It will give you a fairly accurate assessment of the quality and number of women you are capable of attracting for a sexual relationship. Girls, you may take this quiz for your boyfriends to see if you are slumming it or about to be cheated on.
1. How old are you?
under 25 years old: 0 points
26-34 years old: +1 point
35-45 years old: 0 points
45+ years old: -1 point
2. How tall are you?
under 5’9″: -1 point
5’9″ to 5’11”: 0 points
6′ to 6’4″: +1 point
over 6’4″: 0 points
3. What is your BMI?
(Go here to calculate your BMI. I know BMI doesn’t account for very muscular physiques, but since most men are not Lee Haney, it is adequate for this survey’s purposes.)
under 20.0: -1 point
20.0 to 24.0: +1 point
24.1 to 27.0: 0 points
over 27.0: -1 point
4. How much do you bench press?
60% or less of your body weight: -1 point
61% to 80% of your body weight: 0 points
81% to 170% of your body weight: +1 point
over 170% of your body weight: 0 points
5. What does your hairline look like?
Full head of hair if you are over 35: +1 point
Full head of hair if you are under 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are over 35: 0 points
Receding hairline if you are under 35: -1 point
Bald (age irrelevant): -1 point
Bald but you are dark-skinned: 0 points
6. How much money do you make?
under $40K and you are out of college: -1 point
$40K to $70K out of college and under 40 years old: 0 points
over $70K out of college and under 40 years old: +1 point
under $40K and you are college age or younger: 0 points
$40K to $55K and over 40 years old: -1 point
$55K to $90K and over 40 years old: 0 points
over $90K and 40 to 55 years old: +1 point
over $200K (age irrelevant): +1 point
7. Do you have a car?
No (under 21yo): 0 points
No (over 21yo): -1 point
Yes (under 21yo): +1 point
Yes (over 21yo): 0 points
No, but you have a motorcycle (age irrelevant): +1 point
8. Are you good-looking?
(Self-assessment is somewhat unreliable, so if you are uncertain of your looks post your pic on hotornot and wait a week for your score. Or get opinions from unbiased and blunt friends. Hashing out the biometric details of what makes a male face attractive would require another lengthy post, so for now these two methods are acceptable substitutes.)
On a 1 – 10 scale:
0 – 4: -1 point
5 – 7: 0 points
8 – 10: +1 point
9. Have you ever played a leading role in a team sport?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
10. What is your occupation?
(Since I won’t list every single high status job in the Department of Labor’s Occupational Handbook, you’ll have to make a judgment call on your own job. It’s a safe assumption that most people know a high status job when they see it.)
High status (doctor, lawyer, stockbroker, executive, professor, business owner, successful artist or musician or writer, professional athlete, etc.): +1 point
Neutral status (engineer, programmer, accountant, salesman, mid level manager, scientist, military officer, well-paid tradesman, etc.): 0 points
Low status (low paid blue collar, admin, construction, janitor, struggling web designer, help desk, etc.): -1 point
11. How many friends do you have?
0 to 3: -1 point
4 to 20: 0 points
over 20: +1 point
12. How many friends have you met through the internet that you have never seen in person?
0 to 2: 0 points
over 2: -1 point
13. When was the last time you went to a house party?
Within the past month: +1 point
Between one month and one year ago: 0 points
Over one year ago: -1 point
14. Have people besides your family called you funny?
None: -1 point
A few have: 0 points
Nearly everyone who knows me: +1 point
15. What is your IQ?
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point
16. At a party, which happens first – you approach someone or someone approaches you?
I approach someone first almost every time: +1 point
I occasionally approach first: 0 points
Someone normally approaches me first: -1 point
17. Have you ever been in a serious fight where real punches were thrown and you felt like you wanted to kill your opponent(s)?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, with a girl: -1 point
18. Have you ever been arrested?
No: 0 points
Yes: +1 point
Yes, for child pornography or public exposure: -1 point
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It’s best to answer the following four questions based on your past experience with similar scenarios. Who we really are is not what we wish we were but what we have always been.
19. You are on a second date with a girl. You go to kiss her. She turns her cheek to you and says “Slow down, I’m not that kind of girl.” You reply:
(A) “Sorry.”
(B) “Yeah, well, no prob.”
(C) “This could be trouble ’cause I’m that kind of guy.” *smirk*
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
20. You’re chatting up a pretty girl you just met in a bar. After a few minutes she asks you to buy her a drink. You reply:
(A) “Sure.”
(B) “I’m not an ATM.”
(C) “No, but you can buy me one.”
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
21. You’ve just met a cute girl in a club and have been talking with her for five minutes when she abruptly changes the topic to a raunchy conversation about her multiorgasmic ability. You respond with:
(A) a huge grin and an eager “Damn! That is HOT!”
(B) a look of mild disdain.
(C) a raised eyebrow while saying “Hey, thanks for the medical report.”
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
22. The pickup has been going well. Later in the night she leans in and begins making out with you passionately. You feel like a king and your jeans suddenly feel much tighter. Do you:
(A) immediately grope her boob in return.
(B) continue making out with her for as long as she wishes.
(C) kiss for a little bit then push her gently away and look distracted for a second.
If you answered (A), subtract a point.
If (B), no points.
If (C), add a point.
And finally, the critical thinking portion of the quiz. The following questions are based on the progression of a single pickup attempt.
23. You go to a bar. Twenty feet away are a pretty girl, a fat girl, and an average guy talking amongst themselves. The pretty girl briefly eye flirts with you. In reponse, you:
(A) eye flirt back and forth a few times before approaching 20 minutes later.
(B) immediately approach in a direct fashion maintaining strong eye contact with your target.
(C) immediately approach but from an indirect angle, looking around the room distractedly on the way over to your target as if you might see an even prettier girl somewhere else, and finally delivering your opener from over your shoulder.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
24. Who do you address first?
(A) the pretty girl.
(B) the fat girl.
(C) everyone.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
25. After getting the whole group engaged in conversation and having a good time, your target blurts out “Hey nice pink shirt! Are you gay?” You:
(A) say “No, I’m not gay!”
(B) ignore her.
(C) say “OK, who brought their little sister to the bar!”
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
26. In the middle of the conversation you have to pee. You say:
(A) “I have to go to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.”
(B) “Excuse me.”
(C) nothing. Just go.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
27. You’ve managed to get her outside your front door. There is obvious sexual tension. You want to close this deal. You say:
(A) “So, um, ah, see you around.”
(B) “Why don’t you come inside?”
(C) “I’m thirsty. Are you thirsty? Let’s go inside and taste DC’s finest tap water. But you can only stay for a minute, I have to get up early.”
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
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SCORES
There are 26 points to earn or lose based on the questions asked. The scoring breaks down as follows:
-26: Why are you still alive?
-25 to -20: You’re an omega. Celibacy has its charms.
-19 to -15: You actively repulse girls. Your kind will usher forth the sexbot revolution.
-14 to -10: You’re always getted foisted onto the warpigs.
-9 to 0: Lesser beta. You don’t immediately disgust girls; they just don’t notice you. With much painful effort you can redeem yourself.
1 to 9: Classic beta. You catch some girls’ eyes, usually the ones you don’t want. Try not to make fatty fucking a lifestyle.
10 to 14: A few attractive girls in the bar will be intrigued by your presence. But you need game to close the deal.
15 to 19: Congrats, you have crossed the alpha Rubicon. A lot of cute girls will be pleased when you hit on them. But you can still fuck up by being yourself.
20 to 25: You’re a natural. Many hot girls check you out and forgive your occasional pickup blunders. You always have a look of sexual satisfaction on your face.
26: Super Alpha. Booty sticks to you like bird shit on car roofs.
“26. In the middle of the conversation you have to pee. You say:
(A) “I have to go to the bathroom. I’ll be right back.”
(B) “Excuse me.”
(C) nothing. Just go.
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point ”
This is silly crap. Anyone that just walks away in the middle of a conversation isn’t being better with women, they are being a weird jerk. Socially adjusted humans acknowledge other people’s presence and make trivial niceties as signs of respect and courtesy. It isn’t a sign of weakness and I’ll give you a money back guarantee that you lose ZERO points in the mating game for simply saying “excuse me”. This community is just weird, quit telling guys this crap. Instead of calculating points regarding your alphaness you should be looking the nearest girl in the eyes and telling her she’s enchanting, and you’ll be right back in a moment, as soon as you find the author of this claptrap and tell him he’s sad, strange, and wrong.
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Actually this is a question that is set to seek out the underlying attitude of the person. I you just go, then you are someone who is doing what they want to do. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
(though I scored a 3 – which means I am classic beta… but to me this says the test is accurate as right now I think that I am classic beta)
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You’re a classic fag.
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LMAO
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i hope ur children die of leukemia irl fucking cuntfuck
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I think I’d just go, ‘ahh, fuck my penis, I gotta take a PISS’. Dunno why, but my brain tells me that the more hardcore you are about it, the better (brazen, is the brainy word for it). And this really only works with my favoured style of talking to girls. Which isn’t really a style.
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hypergamy doesn’t care that you feel that this is “silly crap”
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thats where your wrong dude
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Idk I got a solid 21 fuckos LOL but apparenly im to average in height wtf ever. I think it’s accurate, but how is being too smart a turn off? I’ll gladly dotate that point
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In general just walking away in the middle of a conversation shows lower social intelligence so it’d be closer to losing a point.
Another problem is with question 25:
25. After getting the whole group engaged in conversation and having a good time, your target blurts out “Hey nice pink shirt! Are you gay?” You:
(A) say “No, I’m not gay!”
(B) ignore her.
(C) say “OK, who brought their little sister to the bar!”
(A): -1 point
(B): 0 points
(C): +1 point
From watching dominant and powerful men, they tend to ignore shit rather than joke it off. Joking it off requires you to put in work but the most “valuable” men are the ones who do less and don’t even let shit register on their radars.
The test is an interesting idea, but it is garbage because humans do not act rationally. A man’s value is only determined by whatever he believes his own value to be, which will affect the vibe he puts out.
I’m not a classically good looking dude, but women call me handsome all the time (it’s ridiculous stupid). Why? Because I’m attractive (this is not the same as good looking) and I make them FEEL good.
Women will think traits we generally consider to be turn offs or neurtal as turn ons and “hot” if the man they’re on can make her FEEL good.
~http://theprometheanman.blogspot.com
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Why waste ur time commenting on the ramblings if a man who is emotionally stunted at about 15 years old? I read this to get a glance into the mind of someone who is more shallow and immature than anyone I ever cross paths with
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15. What is your IQ?
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 110: 0 points
110 to 130: +1 point
130 to 145: 0 points
over 145: -1 point
So basically being smart is as bad as being mentally challenged or average? Yes, that makes perfect sense…
Also, the witticisms by which you’re judging in Q25 are stale and reflect a very limited range of jokes. What about “I’m sorry [heckler’s name], you’re just not my type.”
On Q17, pounding a girl into oblivion with your fists is the trait of a country hick with an alcohol problem.
Q18… being arrested is only an asset if you’re a civil right protester in a foreign nation and have the story to go with it. Otherwise, you’re a walking liability.
Q19 makes one sound like a sleazy slob, something like a 30K millionaire. There are much funnier and better ways to play this off like “Why not?”
Q21 will just offend the girl. She’s trying to get laid and you’re shooting her down and look like an asshole.
Q26 is just bad manners.
Q27 sounds like of the the cheesy scenes from The Pickup Artist.
In summary… this quiz needs to be rethought by someone other than a person who’s only guide to the dating world has been reading books like “I Plowed 800,000 Chicks And So Can You!” or “Getting Laid In 5 Easy Steps.”
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More power too you girl, I think there is a hollywood America issue with some immature young women, and is demographically biased, this guy has his comments locked on some of his pages, and listen bro, just cause Pink Dress Shirts were in maybe in 2010, does not mean they can be worn to clubs, bars, strip-joints, casinos, anywhere of large night activity without really standing out strange in the crowd, I think maybe you are bordering on Bi-Sexual from too much ‘playing around’, you may have experienced too many promiscuous little idiot dough heads as I call them that would be chicken headed dummies to most everyone else, You are right finding game these days is too hard, you just have aggressive overly-masculine power swag and your actually trying far to hard, women are a hindrance after too long, because unfortunately us dumb men would rather pay for a high maintenance trophy, then have the inexpensive solid company of friends maybe with benefits in a nicely kept bachelor pad.
There is one guaranteed solution men who don’t want to be dumb, regular, and in endless trouble for the rest of their lives, and it is Escort services, they may prefer a beta male and you don’t have to be a snob or classic douchebag who’s worried about his status in the world driving the gay maserati, it’s one set price, instead of constant game and chase adjustments and it works fine for most.
Or what I am thinking is trying my hand at Canada or Europe, without Hollywood most guys get gorgeous, and low maintenance babes with little work. And they learn to be happy as your so called Beta Male because their needs are met as well as the woman’s. We suck here I think especially in fashionista cities like Miami, and Los Angeles.
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Actually negroes in the ghetto have far higher incidents of domestic violence. Lol uneducated retard.
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Some women want to think their partners are less intelligent. Others want someone who’s smart enough to keep up a conversation. Women are not all the same and a big IQ doesn’t mean social ineptitude and the ability to talk only about the nerdiest of stuff. It’s just the way it’s portrayed in the media as your TV example shows. What you see on TV isn’t always the way it is in reality.
Also your claims can’t be backed up on the internet and come on… e-bragging? I might as well go all out and say that I’m the original pick-up artist who rote all the books by which they work. I didn’t, but since it’s the web, I might as well…
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hypergamy doesn’t care what “some women want to think”
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I’d tend to agree with KennyC on the “high IQ” thing. I know a lot of guys who are very (book-)smart and very unsuccessful with women. You could lump me in that category, too.
I’d only question whether it’s correlation or causation. All other things being equal, being smarter is probably good. But being smarter tends to come with a whole host of other things that tend to hurt you with women. For example, being on math team: -1 point. Going to nerd camp: -1 point. Spending lots of free time programming computers as a kid instead of running around on the playground: -1 point. Those negative points add up real fast.
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I would say that maybe some other factors need to play into the IQ question. I for one don’t want to feel smarter than the man I’m dating. In general, I know that most women I’ve known in my life like to take pride in the man they’re dating. I was dating a chemistry grad student and that was one (but not the only) of his best qualities. We always had very interesting conversations and I learned a lot from him. As far as the Dr. House example, I find him very attractive even if he is much older than I am. Just thought I would put that out there, I know I’m not every woman.
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GFish –
Being in the upper end of Q15, I can tell you, he has it wrong. IQ of 145+ ought to be -2, maybe more. Women, in general, want to think they’re more intelligent than their partner, whether that partner is for life or for the night.
Look at way two recent high IQ range TV characters (Zack Addy and Gregory House) are depicted. Both are shown as socially misfit celibates who can only get some if they pay for it. Meanwhile, by carefully concealing the fact that I have the brains I do, I managed to never go more than 72 hours without from the time I started dating to the time I met my wife.
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That’s impossible :p. Unless you met your wife within one year or something insane. I have never met a PUA who has been completely immune to the occasional dry spell. Especially depending how you definite dating.
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Good Grief! Who wants to be with someone that had that many sexual partners? You people are crazy.
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I have an 145+ IQ also, and several years back I’d flaunt it. Of course, my game stunk. Now, I hide it much more, and inwardly cringe when people tell others that I’m “really smart”.
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You shouldn’t cringe. You shouldn’t try to hide just how smart you are either.
The biggest problem is that these people in this forum are under the delusion that they’ve got a handle on women- that they want to be smarter than their mate and other bullshit like it. Lies, even if they’re the ones our peers tell us are little different than the lies Heartiste revels in making perish upon the pike of the facts of the matter.
How you use your intelligence is what’s important. Flaunting it…yeah, you’re going to be an idiot and put people off. Trying to hide it TOO much and you come across as FAKE **AND** look the part of the idiot and put people off.
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No, American women in general, and American white women in particular want to feel as if they’re smarter than their partner. That’s why I don’t even deal with them. I don’t mind an intelligent woman but romance should be a satisfying and fun thing, not a damn competition.
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“(C) nothing. Just go.”
You mean right there, on the floor?
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Yes right there, on the floor. Ha ha
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I’d only question whether it’s correlation or causation. All other things being equal, being smarter is probably good. But being smarter tends to come with a whole host of other things that tend to hurt you with women. For example, being on math team: -1 point. Going to nerd camp: -1 point. Spending lots of free time programming computers as a kid instead of running around on the playground: -1 point. Those negative points add up real fast.
I think it mostly boils down to, aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points, if not more. This gets in the way of developing important social skills.
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aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points […] gets in the way of developing important social skills.
What’s odd is that I used to have such an aversion, but don’t so much any more. Unfortunately, social skills are something you learn cumulatively, and the average guy probably got nearly a 10-year head start on me socially (while I was busy getting a 10-year head start on math and computers).
Outcome: I made a lot more money than the average guy, while the average guy slept with more women.
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I think it mostly boils down to, aversion to really socializing with <125 IQ people: -5 points, if not more. This gets in the way of developing important social skills.
Wrong. Smart kids are not averse to hanging out with kids not as smart as they are. It’s more along the lines of what tends to interest them and is important differs. I could go on and on about this, but there’s a different, more important aspect to the intelligence negative. Smart people have a different approach and outlook to things. And yes, there is a downside. Smart kids excel at a lot of things, and those things they do not they tend to eschew. They have so much success, they do not know how to deal with failure. They also figure out so much on their own that they have a hard time looking for help. But perhaps most importantly, they have a harder time understanding a world that is not logical. There’s nothing logical about romance, so they don’t ‘get it’. Which is why understanding the biomechanics bits is important. It fills in the invisible rules that guide sexual chaos.
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Doesn’t match up. Got a 2, despite a “lesser alpha” rank from last year’s post on “defining the alpha male.”
The situational bits are fun though – it’s like chick crack for men.
Today I got the comment: “GOD, men like you are why I’m still single.” Victory!!
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Translation: “Men like you make it so I don’t want to settle down and make myself unavailable yet”!
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Whole lotta question-begging going on here. (#1 question being, who the fudge are you? A 26?) Not to mention non sequiturs and contradictions. What for instance would someone’s income have to do with picking someone up at a bar? Most people don’t let even close friends know their income, -close friends wouldn’t want to know, of course- and any “chick” that asked is just asking to be lied to. Like Madonna is used to saying, she’ll go with anyone, all things else being equal, who can pay their own rent. Income relates to wife hunting, not to one night stands, Lothario. And what about #21, the orgasm hit on? Since the “correct” response seems calculated to offend the bimbo, just making it with the so-called target appears to be secondary to asserting one’s discriminating tastes. You fail to get laid but get a point for being a wise ass, is that it? An so on and so forth. Bottom line: the infamous and celebrated Don Juan would have drawn -1 on nearly every test except those dealing with looks, and look at him!
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I’m extremely smart. Many girls find it very hot – particularly the type of girls that I want – I like smart girls although they don’t have to be very or extremely smart – better if they are.
I try not to list my IQ merits too early, but it is useful, if the girl notices from an ordinary conversation that I’m smart and also know lots of things. Any merits, such as being educated and particularly being extremely educated and the best everywhere, I uncover slowly so as not to frighten not-extremely-smart girls away and so as not to sound too boasting.
Most girls do not think that high IQ is the number one thing. They prefer men who are smart in the conversation, who can discuss intellegently on any subject, who know lots of things etc. Not all high IQ men are able to do this but most of them can learn it if they try to.
Of course, uneducated and stupid girls may be different, but I am not after them. It is difficult to even find them beautiful unless they have an extremely good nature.
Once a girl made Q26C to me on a first and on the second dates. Just inpolite. She certaily wasn’t my type.
There is some idea in the above list: a man should not be too forgiving and should act like a man, have his own will, ideas, surprises etc. However, he should be polite if he wants to have a nice girl and not a terrible girl. The same applies to a woman.
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Even the most alpha guys i know won’t be impolite and just leave, they say “Wait, i’m on the toilet quickly” and go… WTF? You’re in a conversation talking about the weather and suddenly you disappear without saying anything? Thats just creepy behaviour nothing else.
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this is actually hilarious, you can only get away with doing or saying those things if you are actually are a slick panty flipper thats why some people dont understand how you can drop it.
people need to understand that not every guy has it in him to be a long term lothario just make sure you get the best you can!
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The whole second half is all PUA/”mystery method” crap.
PUA stuff is inherently not for alphamales.
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I got a 3. The interesting thing is that so much is based on the what would you do scenarios. That stuff is easily changed. So I could get a 20 if I acted differently. And from experience, I know it’s true. I just don’t care to act like an ahole, even it impresses women.
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Firstly, it’s pretty strange that there’s a 147 point range for women and a mere 52 point range for the men.
Now onto your criteria…
4. Bench press? Am I dating a useless gym-junkie ken doll who wont move too much in case he loses muscle mass? If you want a nice body, go do kung-fu or parkour. Get usefully ripped.
6. How much you make? What do I want with your income? I have my own money. Besides, I’ve turned down a finance broker because he told me he was saving for a yacht and an an Aston Martin. I’d never heard of anything so boringly superfluous in my life.
7. Lets talk car types. You get +5 in my books if you drive a ’69 Ford xy. OR an old f100 or a van we can put a mattress in the back of and take off whenever we want.
9. Don’t give a flying fuck about sport (there’s that swearing that cost me again).
10. High status job? I’m attracted to people who love what they do and excel at it. That’s included an olympic athlete, famous musicians, a stunt man, and a drug dealer, over the years.
13. Don’t care for house parties.
15. Stupid men bore me senseless. Someone made a TV reference… House is sex on a walking-stick. I teach at a university, my day job is inspiring people to think – I don’t want to do it after hours. Also, men who aren’t confident about their intellect are generally totally freaked out by me, anyway.
16. I prefer to approach a man or give him obvious signals across a room that it’s ok to approach me. I don’t like interruptions. That sounds unkind on paper, doesn’t it?
17. Aggression is unsexy.
19 – 27. Oh good, you HAVE read The Game. You’re possibly also already paying a nice expensive PUA or seduction coach shark. The good old ‘neg’. Well yes, men and women in numerous social situations practice the manipulation tactic of publicly belittling peers in order to make their own worth appear greater. It’s a renowned fall back for when people who very obviously have nothing positive to recommend them. Sadly, the women this tactic actually work on have low self-esteem as it is, it’s not much of an achievement to bank in on that just because your self-esteem is potentially even lower than theirs.
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tara most men would call bullshit on this specific point you’ve made:
“…6. How much you make? What do I want with your income? I have my own money. Besides, I’ve turned down a finance broker because he told me he was saving for a yacht and an an Aston Martin. I’d never heard of anything so boringly superfluous in my life. ”
Based on the fact that many men get taken to the cleaners by their ex-wives, women do in fact care how much money a man makes because they consider it when determining how long to wait in a marriage before ending it to collect alimony.
Just because you have money of your own doesn’t make you the “rule”, it makes you the exception. Do you make more money than your husband? If so, be careful, he may dump your old wrinkled saggy ass when he gets tired of you and then sue you for alimony because men and women are “equal” and anything he can do, you can do better😉
LOL!
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Hey. You seem like a cool chick, and a smart one at that. So that is why I must ask….why date a drug dealer? They are always bad news, always always. While I feel sorry for them, and would try to help/counsel them, I wouldn’t let them touch me with at ten foot pole. They tend have serious mental issues, a history of violence, and oftentimes are addicted themselves. I’m getting my BSW and specializing in addictive personalities, so I’m not pulling this out of my ass I promise. It’s ok to have standards.
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You’re concealing your intention by negging. If I say you blink a lot, I don’t sound like the creepy guy who’s here to try and have sex with you. It builds comfort. Any girl below an 8 won’t get that. She’ll be insulted. 9s and 10s will be instantly attracted. It’s amazing how well negging works. You have to muster up the courage, but it feels f’ing amazing to insult a beautiful woman and then feel the relief of her approval and enjoyment.
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Tara, shut the fuck up.
4. #4 doesn’t reward muscle-heads, look again. and don’t name-drop kung-fu and parkour. those are terrible choices. you just said you didn’t want somebody obsessed with working out and then you tell everyone to start kung-fu and parkour which require a fucking LIFETIME of commitment to be proficient at, NOT CLEVER!
6. that “investment banker” you turned down who was saving for an aston martin was probably my broke ass. and by “turned down” you probably mean chasing after my taxi while i take off with your hotter friend.
7-9. wtf are you talking about?
10. “High status job? I’m attracted to people who love what they do and excel at it. That’s included an olympic athlete, famous musicians, a stunt man, and a drug dealer”
omg stfu. all of those were my boys and they were bullshitting you. they weren’t that into you either.
13. dont like house parties? where the fuck do you party at when not at a bar?
16-17. you don’t even know what you prefer, trust me.
19-27. “Well yes, men and women in numerous social situations practice the manipulation tactic of publicly belittling peers in order to BLAH BLAH BLAH. It’s a renowned fall back for when people who very obviously have nothing positive BLAH BLAH BLAH. Sadly, the women this tactic actually work on have low self-esteem as it is”
who do you think you are? I absolutely, 200% guarantee you i could pick you up and fuck you on the first date using only played-out, tired 1998 game.
for you, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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The problem with this test is that it doesn’t simply attempt to measure your market value, it explicitly states that anyone who isn’t good with women or just isn’t interested in a lifestyle of hedonistic skirt chasing is a loser who should kill himself. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Where does it say that, exactly?
Sounds like some personal problems bubbling up. – __-
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I love this test. This test is something I will refer to in commonplace conversation when gloating about my sexual and intellectual prowess.
Who would’ve thought pissing on the floor, and being a douche would pay off one day!
Oh well, compared to all my friends I’ve scored at least 20 points higher, making me the pimp of the group from here on out. Bring on the ladies!
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I love guys like this. They put me through college.
My own guide to broke college girls trying to make an extra buck on commission based jobs, learn to spot guys like the author.
Another tip, tell them you’re 16 and they’re less likely to ask you out when you’re ringing up the sale.
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You may want to find some scientific data to back up your assertions, because a lot of what you’re saying is backwards when measured against international preferences in a mate.
Women want intelligent, semi-good looking, caring men. Men with resources. Men who are willing to share those resources in a monogamous relationship. Men who are respectful, are independent.
The most valuable men are also those that can attract the most highly valued females. The problem is that your highest value has been given to the college frat boy who never grew up. High value women do not want Bros.
What you’ve given us is a scale where men can measure their perceived value against status indicators as set by other men. You need to look at this from the perspective of a high value female and determine what it is that she finds indispensable. Not just what she would consider man-candy; high value women will not trust man-candy.
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@doubt
I THINK the intent here was to measure a man’s Short Term Mating Strategy Value. From an evolutionary lens this would be good genes/sexy son males. Your description of resources/intelligence etc is more for Long Term Mating Strategy Value. There is a lot of literature on this from Buss, Tooby, Cosmides, and Fisher. We are a monogamous species hardwired with impulses to cheating after all. Some people are just better at ignoring those impulses. Also… I don’t think you are supposed to take it dead literally in the first place. This is worded for LOLZ…..
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Hi MikeHoont,
I’m sorry I upset you, dear. By the way, have you heard of the psychological term “projection”?
As for your “200% guarantee”, see my response to question 15.
Kisses x
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hey tara, have you heard the saying “men age like fine wine, women age like spilled milk”? 😉
how are those cottage cheese thighs treating you lately?
LOL!
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The responses here crack me up. Typically women presume that the male definition of success is to find a “quality woman” to marry. This usually is not a male goal but happens by accident when one of the women you date actually is interesting (a real coup as most men and women are so insipid).
Further men and women alike mistake liking people based on their core values vs. attraction. The getting arrested one is a great example. It belies at least a semi-bad-boy don’t give a f*(k attitude, which though it may not be ideal for a marriage prospect, is precisely the guy that young attractive desirable women are attracted to and ultimately put out for. People’s ideals for marriage are typically the exact opposite of the personality characteristics that arouse attraction. Thus the girls who date the bad boys til 30 and then turn around and marry the boring computer programmer because he’s stable and will worship her. That is, until she becomes so bored she cheats and leaves him. Same for men, bang the sluts and find some innocent virgin to bring home to mother. Foolish as no relationship can be successful long term without intense attraction.
Finally the comments about intellect. CH is 100% right that super-normative intelligence works against you if you don’t disguise it. I speak from experience in that I had a tough time in school and didn’t come into my own until college because I unwittingly intimidated people by my intellect. This is because when you are operating at a functional level several standard deviations above the average, you don’t realize that virtually nobody’s vocabulary exceeds 1000 words, that most don’t remember a damn thing they learn and that the associations they make between things and their creative thought processes are pretty much limited to the visceral instinctual needs. What to eat. When to poop. Where to I stick it when I need to get off. Much above this is beyond the writhing masses. It’s not that they openly hate you, it’s just that they feel inferior and nobody likes to feel that. While we would generally be bettered by association with our superiors, water tends to seek it’s own level. As such, if you are above 145 IQ there are so few people who fall in that category that you must learn to disguise it to a degree. This is so that you appear to be close enough to the friends you make or the women you date that they can fool themselves into thinking that you just know a lot about areas that don’t interest them, not that there is an actual wide spread between your abilities. You must make them believe that if they just cared enough to try, they would know as much as you do. Generally people like to think that they want someone smart, but what they are really saying is I don’t want a blithering idiot. Women mean they want a man that’s about their (average) intelligence.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=505
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Bullshit. Intellect only makes you shunned if you use it to be an asshole, subconsciously radiate your disdain for all the lesser intelligences around you, or are otherwise socially retarded. I was the ‘brainy kid’ at all my schools (though I don’t think my IQ exceeds 145 as far as I know) and the chicks loved me, and I was pretty stoked about them. Though I suppose it helped that I was also the ‘invincible rugby kid you don’t mess with’ as well, which is funny since I was such a gentle lad at heart.😄 But even before then.
Also, I know some people that think the same way you do, and they’ve never struck me as being even marginally above moderate in their intelligence. Most kids that think they’re the intellectual elite (usually a combination of atheism, no girlfriend, and reading a minimum of one Asimov story or cheesy sci-fi, in my experience. Sorry, but it’s true) have in general, fully demonstrate the concept of ‘self-inflated ego’, because they are disappointed with themselves in some other (girl-related) area.
And intelligence isn’t really such a childish gradation. Someone with an IQ of 200 isn’t automatically twice the mental human of a 100 IQ man. Smarter, yes, probably much better at puzzles, but it doesn’t automatically turn you into an alien or an ubermensch. That’s just intellectual self-gratification that makes you the source of all your own angst.
I never intimidated anyone with the musclature of my brain, my command of English, or my whimsical forays into mental games like how to calculate how many ping-pong balls could fit in an airplane. They actually kept getting on my case to study harder, instead of being lazy and figuring out a year’s worth of math at the exam. To exceed my potential, rather than cruise by on it. People seriously love brainy people, I’m completely in nerd-love with the legend of Nikola Tesla, and even Newton to a lesser extent, and they’re definitely way smarter than me.
I watched Babylon 5, played Starcraft, read Greg Bear, and all sort of nerdy stuff that none of my school buddies cared about, and they still thought I was awesome, and we all still had a great time at school. And I’m talking about my hardcase maori/tongan/samoan friends with average IQs, not the little white kids (I’m half-caste) in my class that I presumably had more in common with. I actually got along way better with the ‘normal’ kids in other classes than the rest of the ‘accelerant’ kids. They were simply cooler people. And one of my buddies definitely showed me the benefit of working hard versus my smug complacency. He even became a better chess player than me by pitting his disadvantaged normal cranium against a library, since to that point I never played against someone who required more than minimal knowledge of chess moves to beat. He actually is kind of my inspiration for learning nowadays, and not being a complacent brainy retard.
When people say they want someone smart, I think what they probably mean is they want someone they can carry on a good conversation with. That’s generally not easy with a douchebag in the throes of self-adulation.
Your entire post reads like a cheesy college (high-school to you) wankst about why girls never picked you at the ball, with a slowly festering bitterness against all those imbeciles who nonetheless seemed blessed with all manner of rewards they didn’t deserve, while you were overlooked, and all the girls you liked gave themselves over to carnality and self-abasement with them (though I can sympathise with that one) and oh, praise the day when the Intellectuals shall inherit the earth, and all will know your overwhelming yet indetectable glory. Your observations of human nature are neither interesting nor original, it’s simply regurgitation of that depress-food that people make when they’re really, really bored and lapse into I’m-so-deep introspection. I would have been impressed if you took all those observations, and then proceeded to wax on enthusiastically about how you plan to change all that and usher in a bright future of optimistic romance and good nature with all those who would listen to thee. But no, you had to flail around like an angry lesbian chasing a malfunctioning half-used dildo strapped to a cat. (Don’t ask me where I got that from.)
Grow up. Stop being a drip, and look at other people like what they are, human beings of generally equal or greater worth to yourself. If they’re not interesting enough or intellectually engaging enough, or morally deficient (though fostering a spirit of forgiveness might be a good idea) then look for different friends, go hit up Mensa, instead of screwing your head into your butt and complaining about the smell.
Maybe you just happened to grow up in an unfortunately stifled culture, where people are easily squashed and unmotivated to learn, and nerds were to be emotionally destroyed. I can tell you I happened to have had and am continuing to have pretty much a reverse experience.
Sometimes people don’t like you because you’re not being likeable; dumb or smart.
Maybe you should take up a sport.
I’ve responded to you in less than sympathetic terms, not because I’m not sure you’re a wonderful fellow at heart, but sometimes attitudes like yours simply need an unforgiving response. You gotta break with it, dude. It’s a shitty attitude.
(Just realised you posted like, three years ago. Hopefully in that time this response has been made superfluous. It happens fairly often.)
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Over 9000 phrases of senseless and pseudo-intellectual argumenta ad hominem.
You’re pathetic.
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Oh, and go back to 4chan!
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Love it. And you’re absolutely correct. What a shame the angry wee betas don’t believe you!
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Okay. Having never met you, I don’t know what type of person you are exactly, but from reading a couple of your blogs I assume that you are a satirist and are letting the blog community how ridiculous you think relationships are, because of the unrealistic expectations.
The truth to this blog is that [some] women want to be treated like shit so that they can go cry to other women about it. They want to be mistreated therefore they let themselves be mistreated.
So you’re encouraging men to be jerks in order to continue our world’s ironic nature. I think that’s wonderful, because even though all these people are reading your blog and either taking your advice or being offended by it, they don’t really get it?
Perhaps you’re trying to rule the world. Or just laugh at the world. Or doom others in order to succeed in your life.
Personally, I think you’re hilarious. If I’m right about your views, then we’re more alike than I though.
If this is all unintentional, props to you. If you actually think like this, let me know.
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I think this test misses the point. I qualify as classic beta on here, lesser alpha on the defining the alpha male test. A lot of qualities of men that attract women are largely situational, which is why many men can’t get any ass at all in some places, as much ass as they want in others. But this test largely asks about general qualities.
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[…] What women find attractive in men are rare traits. […]
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Over 145 IQ should still be a zero, not a -1. 145+ is not as bad as being sub-85.
But 145+ is worse than being 110. That is for sure.
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I doubt even 1% of men can score more than +12 on this quiz. Seriously.
I think a lot of men who do quite well are still scoring +6 to +10.
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I think people misunderstand intelligence.
If you’re smart enough, you can act as intelligent as necessary to maximise attraction with your target. Of course, for long term relationships, you’d get bored with more than a 5-10 point gap, which means the eligible market is incredibly small at around 150 (<0.5%, and assuming you have high standards for beauty… then it’s even smaller).
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Your definition of intelligence seems to differ from IQ.
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Humans truly are worthless heaps of genetic programming, but I don’t believe it’s this neat and clear cut. You’ve taken your beliefs to the extreme for pageviews.
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Nothing about meeting and attracting others can be as clear cut as a series of questions assumes. There is no perfect test – including this one. Sorry you think that makes it a total scam.
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What is your BMI?
Pretty much BMI is just outdated. It doesn’t take into account the different muscle mass and body fat. Penn and Teller took a shot at this on their show “Bullshit!” where they showed that there were many Hollywood leading men with really high and “unhealthy” BMI’s. Thus calculating body fat, while harder, is much more accurate in assessing attractiveness.
How much do you bench press?
Another question that doesn’t assess the subject’s physical conditioning. This question is trying to get at the physical condition of the subject. Since it only uses one benchmark, bench press, it doesn’t accurately assess the subject. Therefore a pro boxer who would definitely have a well defined chest but not necessarily a lift that much (having a large chest muscles don’t really help you in punching) would have a lower score than the guy who goes to the gym and only does bench press. Furthermore the upper limit penalty may not be warranted. While many woman may detest “bodybuilder” types, it is usually because they consider them vain not because of necessarily physical issues. If a man actually has a reason to be that strong/big (i.e. works on a farm, athlete, construction worker, etc) then it actually can become an asset.
Do you have a car?
This is a really subjective question and really depends on where you live. I live in the outer area’s of NYC and own a car. It may be an asset in the outer areas but it definitely isn’t in the area’s inside and immediately around Manhattan. Public transportation and taxi service is so good in those areas while parking is really bad (think next to impossible). Thus in metropolitan areas such as NYC where you live will give you better dating status than if you own a car.
Have you ever played a leading role in a team sport?
I think this question should be changed to “Have you ever played a leading role in a team/group situation?”
This question is trying to assess leadership experience. Of course it is only assessing it in one context team sports. Since many individuals may have never participated in team sports but have had experience in team leadership. Think about the individual who becomes a military team/group leader during a time of war (like right now). They definitely have superior experience in leadership than the captain of the football team.
What is your occupation?
This is a good question. I just think that you have to really rethink about status. You have military officer as a neutral status job while college professor is high status. There is no way your bottom rung college professor is even in the same league as your low end professional athlete. Furthermore there are some low-neutral status jobs that should get plus one’s. For example police and fireman have dating advantages over regular occupations.
How many friends have you met through the internet that you have never seen in person?
Unless your are trying to say that you are a loser if you waste time meeting people over the internet or having cyber relationships I don’t the point of this question. I think a better measure would be a ration of online friends/offline friends. Friends should also be defined: I am sure that if I went to Barak Obama’s myspace page he would have tons of “friends” that he never will ever meet. Obviously he isn’t an antisocial guy.
What is your IQ?
I am kind of skeptical with this one particularly with the weights given on the upper end of the spectrum. I will let this one slide due to lack of information though.
Have you ever been in a serious fight where real punches were thrown and you felt like you wanted to kill your opponent(s)?
This one is also really silly. Firstly because the objective of combatants in any conflict is to win not to necessarily kill. If you read books on military strategy (Art of War, Warfighting, etc). Thus a person who fights to kill with no need to kill has some dangerous emotional instability (usually a big turn-off/deal breaker). Secondly if one did get into a fight with the intent to kill the real question is did they really kill their opponents? If not then I would have to deduct from the score. Having the ability to kill is a bigger turn on than intent to kill. While most women will like an element of danger in their man (potential to kill/harm) they find violent men (intent to kill/harm) scary. That is why many women will hook up with bouncers, cops, thugs, soldiers, martial artists and other tough guys but not around psychopaths so much. Just take a look at a night club or bar after a fight. The guy who knocks out a guy or two in front of his girlfriend is probably going to have some good sex that night especially if they were justified. The rapid dog that doesn’t realize the fight is over and always wants to escalate is in danger of losing his girl.
Have you ever been arrested?
Another one that is silly. This one is trying to either discern the subject’s willingness to break rules and or take risks. In any case either of these questions could be asked directly “What is your willingness to take risks” or “How often are you willing to take risks” and “Are you willing to break rules and/or the law?” Thus the guy who got arrested for possessing marijuana now has a higher score than the bartender who is stealing money from his greedy boss.
21. You’ve just met a cute girl in a club and have been talking with her for five minutes when she abruptly changes the topic to a raunchy conversation about her multiorgasmic ability.
This one is very subjective and really depends on the context. For example answer “a” might be the best answer if you are at a swinger party. If you are in a dungeon or swingers party answers “b” and “c” would be wholly inappropriate.
Question “19” is basically seems to ask if one uses “cocky/funny” methodologies. In general questions 20-27 are question that are all based on Mystery Method. Thus if one doesn’t subscribe to the MM school of thought (i.e. Direct Game) one would do badly on those questions. Additionally there is no accounting for how the material is delivered (calibration) therefore one can either sound quite assertive or a jerk depending on the situation. Finally in general this test also completely fails to measure certain attributes such as confidence, caring, humor and drive: all of which are highly desirable traits.
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Alphadominance,
I concur. Yes, I would want a man to be my intellectual equal. I find it sad that your experience taught you that you need to skew the way you present yourself (and your mind) so dramatically in order for others to relate to you. What about your need to relate? Why are you (apparently) boring yourself, just to appease others?
This is my main issue with all this theoretical dating phenomena – once all these supposed rules are broken down into numbers, people become cold and functional in their approach, there’s no more genuine interaction, instinct is obsolete. Which makes the whole practice dissatisfying.
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Both math classes and music classes can start with memorization and theory. Often in music and occasionally in math, after establishing some sort of foundation, those memorized concepts can mesh together and be used to express genuine art. The initial memorization isn’t to blame – we should blame our own inability to let go of those thoughts later and transition to a state of feeling. I’m holding out hope that the same structure can apply to dating.
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taramokhtari,
eroswheel put it well above. If you are an outlier and demand that your dates are equivalent in whatever quality, you limit yourself to an infinitesimally small pool of candidates. You can either live with this, or recognize that everyone has their own strengths and abilities and appreciate them for whatever they are.
Perhaps a woman I’m dating has an IQ of 120, so is reasonably intelligent, but is very creative and artistic, or beautiful, or has social intelligence. One can still relate in these other areas and they bring their own gifts. We are the summation of our qualities. I’d rather relate at the level someone is on, than not at all. With many people it is much like relating with children, though you aren’t in the same place, it can still be rewarding.
Instinct is far from obsolete. It is a human conceit to think we transcend our animal natures. If this were so, there wouldn’t be nearly as much commonality of experience. People are banally similar when you get down to the core essence of the matter.
That said, a reductionist approach to human behavior and indeed many areas is not incompatible with real experience. Does understanding the biology of physics which endow the universe with boundless beauty and variety lessen the wonder one feels in observing it? I think not; if anything it merely increases one’s appreciation for the vast possibilities with which the universe is replete. It is awe-inspiring, yet most have little appreciation for it.
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Sure, academic intelligence is only one of (potentially) infinite paths to an inspired connection. I was basing my comment on your reference to insipid men and women, and the inference that most of the women you date are NOT interesting.
If your sentiment about how people are all “banally similar” is your genuine experience as much as it is valid theoretically, I won’t worry about you. :o)
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Our similarities far outweigh our differences certainly. As the old trope goes, we all bleed red. You need not “worry” about me. I’d say few of the people any of us date are that interesting or are so in different realms if they are. That is why a real connection is refreshing, it is typically both rare and fleeting despite our similarities and valuable for its contrast with most interactions in life. Whether insipid or banal, the nut of the issue is the same.
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#28. How embittered are you?
(A). Women are repulsed by your snarl from across the room.
(B). Women sense your underlying bitterness at the time of your warning. ““If you’re gonna be one of those flaky girls, tell me now so I can delete your number. Nobody likes those types.”
(C). When a woman flakes, you understand that she’s just not that into you. You go running to burn off the frustration and return refreshed to take on the next.
(A) -20
(B) -10
(C) +50
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A lot of these points are simply earned by being older and having a career, but I suppose that in many cases, this applies to normal everyday life. Since college is a weird area as far as social dynamics work anyway, there’s a lot less…..formalities in dating, which leads to faster everything, regardless of income or occupation. Car ownership is also irrelevant, as well as the “house party” qualifier. I’d be interested to see how my greater beta status fares once I have a real life.
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R directed our attention to: “35-45 years old: 0 points”
THAT is realistic. As is the under 25 being negative. Kudos on you, sir bastard.
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“over 145: -1 point”
Ya, that’s cute, but it assumes aspergers onto every clever person. Not a bad assumption, but too crisp.
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“(C) “No, but you can buy me one.”
You don’t get points for knowing pat answers. A simple stare down could work better.
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disclaimer: I’m new here.
Alright, disclaimer said, that particular question is one of a few that really stuck out as being dead on. I’ve only seen about 3 people so far who are both socially smart enough to say that to another person in the moment as well as secure enough in himself to risk so much by throwing the comment back at her. Perhaps a deliberate/loaded stare back may be even better than a snippy comment.. but every time I imagine someone just staring back, it’s usually mixed with a tinge of disbelief, shock, or some other masking of submission.
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“10 to 14: A few attractive girls in the bar will be intrigued by your presence. But you need game to close the deal.”
It’s been said that women who were attractive are handicapped by not needing a personality.
I posit that men that don’t need game are vacuous.
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Alphadominance,
Your descriptions and posts hit remarkably close to home for this reader. I regularly have to “dumb down” interactions with people, and often feel like I am talking to children. Those who have not walked in our shoes really just don’t understand how big the intellectual gap can be.
On the plus side, there are bright women that will fight and bust their ass to keep up with you. I’ve managed to find such a critter, and while in terms of raw intellect I come out on top, she works really hard to keep the gap small.
I only score 10 on this test, but could likely get 15 through behavioral changes. I began understanding game after entering a long term relationship, and most of my game skills are centered around maintaining that relationship rather than new pickup. (The test seems a little geared toward new/short term pickup.)
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You have no idea how the sexual dynamic works. See http://www.laddertheory.com/.
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Im a gay male, 30, and i think this test is somewhat accurate in N American society. I scored 16 and if i was more of an asshole, id have scored higher…
I worte that it is somewhat accurate in N American culture because thats how thiungs are. I understand people on here say how its made for frat guys who havent grown up or losers or douches, but, thats the game we play and liove in. You may not aggree that things should be that way, but guess what? touch luck. dont hate the player(s), hate the game.
A lot of these questions are scenerios, but some do deal with physical looks. the main question missed was hjow hung is a guy? And dont reject this saying that dick size isnt known until sex has occured (and then youve already gotten your ‘lay’) – People love to talk about big dicks and if a guy/friend has a large cock, his friends will know and theres a chance, so with possible suiters.
I think #28 should read:
How hung are you?
<5″ : -1
5-6″: 0
6-7″: +1
7-8″: +2
8+”: +3
How girthy are you?
20 (2+ for length and 2+ for girth) with the above missing question.
I think they guy who made this didnt forget, but left out the one factor that takes away his alpha male status.
so funny that the guys who look like Abrocrombi models and are the alpha jocks also have 5″ dicks. Trust me, a HUGE percentage of muscle guys are compensating. (look at guys who started working out at a young age, aqlot realized their short coming and start to do whatever they can at a y oung age.)
*being slim myself, i got by with a handsome face and big cock… being 30 and with a little rerceding hairline, i guess its trime i comp0ensate with a hot bod.
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Dentin,
Love the image of a roomful of ‘bright’ women busting their collective ‘ass’ to keep up with you… Like some kind of elaborate interpretive dance.
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Why are points being given to a man over 35 with a full head of hair, but not under? The scoring is skewed to favor older men.
If a man has a high paying and prestigious job, he will get a lot more than one point, and if he doesn’t have a car or money or hair he will lose a lot more than one point.
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But by hitting 35, you will have lost a point for not being in the optimal age. Only looking at age and hair: A younger guy (but still over 25) gets a +1 independent of hair. If you are lucky enough to keep your hair into 35 and beyond, you can keep that +1.
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27 BMI is optimal. See this study: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442
75% waist to shoulder ratio is optimal for men. you should include this on your list [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness]
90% waist to hip ratio is optimal for men. [http://www.gazette.uwo.ca/article.cfm?section=Arts&articleID=1568&month=02&day=14&year=2007]
And don’t forget chest hair: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article855409.ece
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Go fuck yourself with a loaf of bread
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you should look in a mirror and ask your self should i kill myself
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Women and their expectations.
When men don’t look at women they think they are gay, when men ook at women they look away.
to simpifly this test.
gets lots of money and a car and the rest doesn’t matter.
or
get big muscles and be a social idiot who no one likes but carries on anyway you get the women.
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life is not a cosmo test
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There are some cool points in this test, and some idiocy (like, a ‘full head of hair’ matters…Neil Strauss is said to resemble Moby and he’s gotten more *ss than a toilet seat)…but thanks for the cool lines.
Best, K.K.
http://www.RockHerWorld.Net
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Anyone that just walks away in the middle of a conversation isn’t being better with women, they are being a weird jerk.
Said the beta. Ho ho ho! There is pattern to all answers here and you cannot see which makes you certain beta at best. Psychological messaging is key part of game and not driven by rational mind; even if rational mind rejects as weird female will still be intrigued subliminally by such action.
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Interesting test, scored a 14 pretty on par with my game at this point in my life.
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This is pretty shitty as well
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I suspect any guy with major intelligence would have thought himself out of his dependency by the time he gets to 30, and be well on the road to monkishness. -1 looks about right.
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@tightfive: Yours is the most insightful meta-comment I’ve read up to this point. (Or I just want to believe so since it is the most applicable to my smart, yet now-monkish, dumb-ass. That logically seems more correct, although doesn’t FEEL as nice.)
As I skim rather briskly, I can honestly say that nearly all of this appears to revolve around certain assumptions of us as human: we each want to get laid more than less, and/or be in a fulfilling relationship(s) with our particular preferred gender, and/or evolutionary biology theories, etc. But, I have noticed that I personally either just naturally (unnaturally as the case may be) fall outside many of those parameters (“anomaly”), or escaped by choice as I feel any drive I have is a form of servitude, and Freedom is my real God (who I am actually enslaved to, ironically.) Thus, I don’t even share these basic assumptions anymore and I read all this as one big complex, interesting, empathetically-overwhelming, social experimental narrative. It means nothing though, kinda like the picture on each individual jigsaw puzzle piece means nothing, and really the whole jigsaw puzzle picture once assembled also really means nothing, and all jigsaw puzzles collectively mean nothing, etc. Similarly, it’s like watching good sporting games, which are just interactions within assumed rules. This results in commentary on: when people follow them, when people don’t follow them, general expected statistics, unexpected anomalies, etc…yet it really doesn’t matter in the end. Just silly games. And in this case, fittingly, all this social interaction is called “Game” for a reason.
I’m not claiming I’m good at it “if I wanted to be,” because I actually have WANTED to be and TRIED to play, with mediocre results at best. I’m just saying that once I freed myself completely from the game, even from my own previous assumed rules of a “need” for sexuality (after a couple years of setting that aside, there really is none after all), freed myself from human interactions, expectations, procreation, extending the family line, and so forth…I found those also aren’t even really required at all. That leaves actions/reactions based on the ingredients, catalysts, and assumed rules in EACH individual situation. Just a big blob of infinite little combinations of games, that ARE played, even though none of which really HAVE to be. A giant universe of little relative worlds. A Matrix, but one that is escapable, leaving a personal choice of entering back into it, anywhere or anytime I desire. But, really just for the fun of it. It’s frequently not fun enough to make it worth while. Freedom is often quite honestly more fulfilling. Less emotional roller-coaster, but intellectually calmer as well. More zen-like. Depends what’s important to you, but works for me.
So thank you all for making this quaint game we all play, discuss, etc…….”fun.”
And yes, I really have become this meta—–boring. Ha!
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pretty inaccurate.
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I’ve never taken a real IQ test, but have the education/grades to say mine is between 140 and 155. Intelligence is like an addiction to me – and that does get in between me and pussy. However, a high IQ guy that seriously pursues PUA skills, and stops getting all his kicks from being more logically minded than everyone else, will get really, really good. Cajun is a good example of this.
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I would like to trade blogrolls with you.
My site is http://www.christiandating.savingarelationship.com
I think it would be a great way to build both our sites
Tyler
info@tasteemaketing.com
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Good test. To the women out there and the guys that think this test isn’t “real” go to a bar and try it. I am reasonably attractive, well built and in the 135 IQ range. And I still had problems with women. I can talk and socialize with groups and coworkers. However women have always been my Achilles ’ heel. However when you apply the MM or pretty much any of the current PUA material out there, it works. Smart men often want to see the logic in things and with women (and humans by-in-large), they are emotionally driven. So you show the logic behind the emotional triggers that are prebuilt into women, smart men begin to assimilate the information and get women. With that reward, men see the method gets results and thus adopt a new behavioral pattern with is successful for survival and replication.
In real life, Women are attracted to and date jerks because those men see what they want and go for it. And women like confidence, congruence, status, and health which most jerks have, thus they get women and pre-selection as well. So while we may wish this were different, reality is what it is. So while women have ruled the area of human social/sexual interactions for hundreds of years, as they have the (artificially limited) supply (sex) and men have the (unlimited) demand. Men are now being taught and using female psychology against them as they use ours against us and they are now very discontented. I say too bad.
Regards,
Mr. Alighieri
“I don’t make the rules, I just play by them.”
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I generally don’t encourage people to go to bars to find their significant other. They tend to be douche magnets. This goes for people of both homo and hetero variety. I have met many nice women at LGBT charity events but most of the chicks I met are bars were kind of assholes. Most of the men at bars are assholes too.
So basically, meeting someone at a climbing gym is gonna be a way more successful relationship than a bar because you already have one thing in common besides drinking alcohol.
Of course, if the only thing you are interested in is sex or being a PUA well then I guess bars are great. In that case, have fun with that herpes. o.0
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There’s a common misconception that women are attracted to and date ‘jerks’. In actuality, unless they make the first move, women are going to date pretty much whoever goes for them (selectively, of course). You can have confidence, status, health, etc., without being a ‘jerk’. Some men adopt a ‘jerk’ persona to cover up their insecurities when they approach women, which is actually needless. But ‘nice guys’ lose out because shyness doesn’t get them anywhere. ‘Nice guys’ can actually be worse than ‘jerks’ because a lot of them are only ‘nice’ when they want something.
Best, K.K.
http://www.RockHerWorld.net
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Fun and interesting.
My husband earned about 16 points. Not that surprising when I think about it. Very confident, not swayed by opinions of others at all, no doormat tendencies and attracts higher status people to himself. Although introverted, he is the type people listen to and follow, a master delegator. I am always amazed at how he can get people to do stuff for him, and want his approval. He is average looking, and didn’t date much since his standards were high. So his friends were surprised when told them we were getting married. I am reasonably attractive, about a 7 compared to other women my age at the time, but only 20 years old, nearly 9 years younger, and very slim vs. his guy friends with their fat, bossy 30 something wives.
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7. Market Value can be increased by having a manly but not cliched car, such as a vintage Ford Galaxie. It can be seriously diminished with a girl car such as Smart or Miata.
9. Aggression based sports team, to be specific. Being the lead of the golf team isn’t going to help. Football, rugby, bball, hockey: yes.
10. Bartenders, bouncers, DJs, drug dealers, personal trainers are +2
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el chief,
On #10, I would add being a Yoga instructor (but not merely a practitioner), or a Latin Dance master. Those may not seem that manly at first, but they are great, as :
1) Yoga enables you to mine a rich source of material on mental state, stimulation, Kama Sutra, etc.
2) Latin Dance has strong gender roles, and ensures early kino.
3) Both activities have three times as many women as men.
So these two activities can be fruitful too, provided you become genuinely skilled at either.
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Tood,
Perhaps. Those seem like good jobs for getting quality tail, but I’m not sure if they up your market value, outside of the women in your class.
A woman can’t brag to her friends about her yoga instructor boyfriend, the same way she can about her bartender.
I agree though, easy ass to be had.
Side note, I wonder what is CH’s most commented post?
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el chief,
I don’t know – the contrast between general vs. specific market value comes into play.
Being a good football player has a certain prestige. But since most women aren’t interested in football, it just has tangential ‘macho’ market value.
Being an instructor in Salsa dance, however, provides many, many openings through which to generate rapport with a woman, and do a lot of kino early.
Brute masculine vs. Don Juan masculine….
I would bet on the pickup skills of the Salsa instructor over the star football player any day, even if the football player is much tougher.
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Wit counts most for a lot of women. Personally I prefer wits than looks.
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Some of this stuff is good, but some of it is crap as others pointed out.
1) Simply leaving to the bathroom without saying anything GETS you a point, whereas saying a normal “excuse me” is actually worse? Give me a break.
2) True, being very intelligent can hurt you but NOT because you are intelligent. Usually it’s because
* you spend your days working less with people and more with abstract mumbo jumbo – insufficient social understanding
* you are too logical and don’t understand that emotions are easily shared between people (many PUAs have this mistake too)
* your standards are too high and you have a Madonna/Whore complex due to your upbringing
* your social circle sucks in terms of female opportunities
These are the real variables, not intelligence.
3) PROFESSION is huge. In general pick a profession that interacts with a lot of women and portray it. Including:
bartender
director, actor
musician
modeling agent
hairdresser
photographer for modeling
Really there are many paths to meeting women. Men in al the professions above see a lot of different women (including hot ones) and know how to vibe with them. Women feel comfortable around them. They in turn can get a lot of poon if they become systematic about it.
As you say yourself, having actual “alpha” characteristics doesn’t get you laid, actual real world scenarios get you laid.
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Also where is the freakin height on this list?😛 Women’s #1 physical checklist item usually.
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Guess there’s no way to delete that last comment😛
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DAMN!!!!!!!!!! I am classic beta…. fuck
(then again is not like I didn’t know I had major work to do.)
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@havanna
You’ve come to the right place.
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The more points you get on this list, the less likely I would be to talk to you for more than 30 seconds. I love myself some beta!
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This survey was jokes!
But obviously this dude is an online geek wangksta, frontin like he knows the dating game inside out.
I didnt touch on some crucial subject because again he is a reject who doesnt know game.
1) Profession-Job
– Is a huge factor in dating chicks. I used to be a bouncer and a personal trainer at a womens only gym and I chopped more women through those two jobs then this queer as ever jacked off too in his life. On the other end if you balling like a docter or lawyer you can run alot of game too.
2) Grooming-Clothes
– This queer didnt even mention clothing or style (cuz obviously he doesnt have any) and how chicks put a high price on appearance. For example, Ive met women who the first thing they do is look at the kind of shoes a guy is rawking. If the shoes are wore out or unstylish (ie gay, worn out running shoes), the womans legs become permanently shut and shes kicking yo ass to the curb.
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This a a retarded test!!!!
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Only crack-heads will answer those questions!!!!
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I’m looking for an awesome beta geek with an engineering job and a big heart. This is funny.
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“But you can still fuck up by being yourself.”
Hell, no, we can’t have that. What we must have is everyone running some pre-pubescent role-playing scam where no one has to actually be real with anyone else. Hey, that works real well for establishing the trust and vulnerability that lets in love.
I’m sorry you’re having such a difficult time. It doesn’t have to be that way.
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Your own “market value” is somewhere in the area of -542.
What a piece of trash.
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What a strange, sad little garden gnome you are.
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Look the ferminist can use shaming language that is so cute.
Seriously your like a little puppy.
All shame no backing.
Only destroy no understanding of what to fix.
No suggestions on the perfect man.
No positive item whatsoever
Just that someone else is a gnome and also sad too no less.
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I thought you liked games? Mine is amusing myself at y’all’s expense. “Don’t hate the player.”
Speaking of which, can you play “Melancholy Baby?” +5 points if you can.
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Wow, this is actually quite brilliant!
*applause*
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According to your little test, I fall well within the beta male range. I am about 5’8″, slightly overweight(but still in good shape and have broad shoulders and muscles, just a bit of a beer belly too). I am also over 35 now. I am not a millionaire, far from it. I have ADHD which has made it difficult to stay in a conventional career, in spite of my over 145 IQ. I am currently more of a starving artist type. However, I have slept with over 40 women. None of these women were fat, and most were quite hot imo. Currently I am engaged to this hottie who is several years younger than me and makes several times as much money as I do.
How did I accomplish this? Frankly I am not sure, but I didn’t use this PUA stuff on the women I have bedded, I didn’t know it even existed until recently. I think a couple of factors have helped me. One is that I am adventerous and artistic, and women consider me more exciting than other men they have been with. The other reason is probably because I actually go out and talk to women, and ask them out if I like them. They don’t always say yes, but the simple act of putting yourself out there and trying will give you more success than sitting around wondering where you rank on some silly scale. After enough tries (and heartache) I finely found a woman worth marrying, in spite of my “beta” status.
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-16
Fuck YEAH! Where my fembots at?
Wait they´re already everywhere.
This was a hoot, as is the whole site. Love it.😀
Found this site yesterday, and about all the hoops you people jump through, just to pump&dump these bitches endlessly.
Obviously(see name) I´m a bit stumped why I should bother at all.
Having peace and quiet and not somebody who “tests” me eternally (aka nags) is a bad thing how?
Yeah, never had pussy and probably never will.
There are worse things.
Like having to decipher shit test and proper responses comes to mind.
Jolly fat hermit out.
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taramokhtari’s right. A lot of women like old trucks. I used to have a ’66 Ford F100. Women were totally into it.
Looking for a chick magnet? Forget the Ferrari, get an old truck.
The women’s quiz made me laugh — a woman’s hotness is augmented when she doesn’t laugh at your small penis, eh? Insecure much?
90% of the men’s quiz seems to be variations on that old chestnut, the neg. Yawn.
Seems like he is overthinking this stuff. All these little tips and tricks add up to a ridiculous amount of effort.
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I’m sorry, but guys who are 8/9/10 out of 10 good looking don’t need the mind games. Your “neg” philosophy is insane.
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Sure we do. I’m a 9 on hotornot, although I don’t take that good of photos. I’m 28 and have been with only 6 women, mostly one night stands — for a long time I couldn’t get anyone at all. Now I’ve been learning and practicing game and my success rate has just gone through the roof (I have doubled my lays in the last year, although I was also pushing the limits as I was dating some 9s and 10s that I didn’t manage to get into bed). I was always successful in career, smart, went to a top school, etc. The only thing I’ve changed is game.
I don’t think everyone needs to use the same style of game, as there are many styles out there. For example I’m an intellectual, strong, and like joking around, and have emotional connections, so I play to those advantages rather than trying to demonstrate “fratboy alpha” as this test leans towards. It doesn’t matter what style you use since if you get the girl who cares? But you have to be going out there and pushing your limits…
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shoot it’s not about your IQ it’s about how you use it. Most guys I know who are above the 140 mark could get half the women in the room to sleep with them in a second. The problem is where you store your brains, in your pocket protector or in your hands. A guy with a 140 IQ who sticks in his cave and never comes out is useless and of course loses points. A guy who comes out and uses that brain for all sorts of things will get laid faster. there’s a reason the original American PUA was Ben Franklin, he knew to use his brain and to leave the lab once in awhile. Women threw themselves at him because 1 he had game, 2 he knew how to use that brain to enchant the women, 3 he could talk to anyone anywhere about anything. You talk about gaining points, the guy who can talk with one woman about engineering and her friend about poetry, that guy has cleared the playing field of all comers. It’s his house. He’s also the guy who will take every other guy in that room down two notches if they approach because they’ll say something which his wit will erode. Don’t knock the smart guys they got game that outclasses the best PUA
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Alpha: 20, just! Went to a good school (and grad school), work as a stockbroker, been in fights, even got arrested (DUI, once). Not afraid to communicate my pro-White views or my opinions of muds such as negroes and hispanics. It doesn’t hurt that I’m tall, fit, and Nordic-looking, a little bit like Bjorn Borg.
But I was raised to be a beta. Church and parents suppressed my savage instincts, and I grew up a nice, respectable conservative Republican–albeit one who was bored out of his mind. Most of my friends were WASPs and Jews with obscure intellectual interests. But gradually my natural alpha proclivities began to show, namely in an obsession with getting pussy (mission usually accomplished) and willingness to fight–which I often did, in my tailored pinstriped suit, Brooks Brothers shirt and tasseled loafers.
At about this time it dawned on me that what my girlfriends had been telling me for years–that I had a big cock–wasn’t just a pleasant compliment or morale-booster (not that I needed it), but the truth. Armed with that realization, when I walked into bars I let my dick do the choosing, confident in the knowledge that I was packing a pussy-pleasing monster in my well-tailored trousers.
Later, at around age 30 I suddenly realized that to get women all you had to do was treat them like shit. Be confident, be assertive–and treat the females with contempt. Once I digested this simple rule, I had women practically knocking me down to date me. Enough with chivalry and romantic love. That shit is for suckers.
Eventually, as I got older (I’m pushing 40 now) and moved to Southern California, I discovered the cougar phenomenon and suddenly my sex life got even better. And, amazing as it may seem, I’m finding that it’s not that difficult to pick up the odd 19 or 25-year old hottie.
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how can i find ur address so i can murder u irl
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To William:
Wow, I wonder how come I’ve never ever heard about you. You sound like a mix of Barney Stinson and Chuck Norris. How curious that you feel the urge to announce it to strangers on the internet.
Just for your information, “Hispanic” is not a race. People of any given race can be considered ethnically Hispanic. In fact, several millions of Whites are.
PS: Ever heard of Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
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Q18 is retarded. I get the correlation between being in trouble with the cops and being a sexy “bad boy” in high school, but if you grew up in a decent neighborhood the cops probably didn’t formally arrest you, just threw you in the car and brought you home and let your parents deal with it. I was in the back of a cop car a number of times, but was never cuffed and read my rights and brought to trial; hence my answer was no.
And as for being arrested when you’re an adult, in 90% of the cases of people who got a point for that it would be either for drunk driving or drug possession, and I don’t see what’s cool about either of those. Drunk driving is just dumb, and a drug arrest doesn’t mean you are the only guy who was cool enough to have drugs, it means you are the stupid bastard who got caught.
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I bet that Tantric(Firs Comment) is a woman…If you are, tell me, that approach you suggest ever worked with you?
If you are a man, have that approach ever worked for you?
Regards.
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@William: Do you murder beautiful models or something, I could have swore that was a passage out of American Psycho. I’d steer clear of him ladies, you might end up being chased by a madman with an axe.
As for this quiz intelligence is far more important than job status and car ownership. Rippling muscles are not important as long as you can help move a couch. I’ve also dated reletively older and younger guys and neither worked out for me. I found to be more compatible with guys my own age. I’d say my limit is five year older, nothing more. The guy I’m dating now is a year older than me and we understand each other. There’s no bullshit games or of mind fucks between us.
If you want to “sport fuck” or “pump and dump” hoe’s by all means do it, however you’re going to lead a lonely life. Not that I’m promoting monogomy or marriage, but meeting people and sharing ideas and incredible moments is what it’s all about. Try out different types of men, I never thought I’d be with a hippie, and I am.
Long story short…too late; variety is the spice of life.
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Fuck. I’m 11. Shit.
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17 points, FUCK YEAH! And I haven’t even stopped improving myself!
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Also, what the hell is up with being arrested counting as a +1? Where I live it means you are a loser that got himself arrested, if you are really cool you don’t get arrested because you know the cops or just because you’re a cool guy like that.
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Hey Faggots,
My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch
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So what is lacking in your life john?
Tell us all about it.
Maybe
it will be the
revelation
that changes everything.
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Captain of the football team. Starter on your basketball team.
Whoop-de-fuckin’-do.
Enjoy these godlike accomplishments now, John, ’cause you’re going to end up giving oil changes at Jiffy Lube.
(No offense, somebody’s gotta do it). It’s funny how that works out, but almost every captain of the football team ends up being a mechanic.
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Well. After all. At least i have my penis intact.
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Hey there,
This is a very accurate dating market value assesment but there is only one thing i am not sure about this, and this is attractiveness. I think facial attractiveness plays a bigger role than it is being stated in this test. Take college girls, for example. They also like to prefer the hotter guys over lesser attractive ones. The importance of facial attractiveness seems to decrease with age thou. Maybe the facial attractiveness question can be extended with variables like age and facial attractiveness scale and so on. Please elaborate
Altan
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I also think that another addition, racial background, can be put into the assesment. It can be done like this;
European + 1
Italian/Spanish + 2
Hispanic/Latino +1
Other Caucasian 0
Black/African 0, or -1
Middle Eastern -1
Asian 0
Indian -1
Mixed race O or +1
Don’t be offended because of the reasoning above as it only aims to reflect the biases without the aim to offend anyone. I am also a person who also sometimes suffers due to negative bias towards my race as well as i am a Turkish student. I have seen the importance of race in the social experiment i done yesterday at 2 different nightclubs; in the first nightclub mentioning my real racial background led me to 2 phone numbers, whereareas when i told them that i am spanish in the second night club, i have got 6 phone numbers. The number of girls i hit on was around the same. Of course there would be some other reasons that affected the outcome, but the unverbal feedback i was getting from the girls with the both suggested that telling them i am spanish amplified their interest.
You may argue that above criteria is mostly based on my subjective experience and that would be right, but as racial background also has an effect, it can be further worked upon to be more precise.
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After reading the comments on this page, it’s good to know where I stand. I had no idea there was so little competition out there for the few women worth the time investment, and no idea there were that many girls both stupid and intelligent that are so easily pulled in.
Sadly, I am married. I know, I know, terrible travesty. But hey, she makes a point to get out of bed before me and rouses me with breakfast. She does the laundry, cleans, takes out the trash, works the bills, and runs errands while I’m at work, and has dinner waiting for me when I get home. It’s a good deal, because we both do our part in the relationship, and since she isn’t working there are no chores to worry about for either of us after a long day at work. We eat dinner, and get the whole evening to play.
I’d also like to point out that my wife isn’t your traditional American girl. She’s first generation, half Polish, half Ukrainian, so she understands how amazing gender roles can be when executed well. Also, she’s an ivy league graduate (Penn), speaks 5 languages, and definitely clocks about a 9 on a 10pt scale. 5’10, blonde, green eyes, great curves… tough to beat a setup like that. I think I made the right choice, I’d rather go out to a bar with her, see all the unhappy betas milling about, go home, and fuck each other senseless.
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Sometimes the truth is the last thing we want to hear.
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Altan Turkmenoglu
You have the racial scores messed up it would be :
European Accent +2
Caucasian +1
Hispanic White +1
Black 0
Hispanic Indian -1
Middle Eastern -2
Asian -5
Actually, that score for asians is too generous, most white/black/hispanic girls would not even consider asians as dating partners. I read that an Asian guy would have to make hundreds of thousands more a year to be seen as attractive as the average white man.
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o hai thur racist trash
For one thing, it is spelled ‘ascent’. Oh wait, it is not even the right word! It should be written European ‘descent’.Learn to speak your own fucking language before spewing your racist bullshit on the internet, you dumb fucking cunt.
Lastly, I hope you and your entire inbred, daughter-raping white family die horribly of cancer or other genetic defects
Regards,
An Angry Asian Guy
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@Steve: Yep it makes more sense now
On a side note, i think those values can be more variable as the male physical appeareance is judged more integrated with his character by women. For example consider a middle eastern guy. If the guy is a whiter middle eastern, and he has a westernized personality, mood, “aura”, he can come up to be seen as a “passionate south european” stereotype. And thus may eliminate the minus points he gets from his origin.
If the racial features are not leaning towards extremes, that can be modified to fit into higher status states. Makes sense ?
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– Do you think there is some kind of “unwritten equation” in women’s alpha status being based on one trait (physical attractiveness) but it can be preserved for a shorter time while men’s alpha status takes much more work but it can be preserved for a longer time ?
-I think the IQ question can be modified further taking into account the relativity of intelligence. The question could be “In which kind of intelligence were you developed?” and some of the answers would be:
– Technical, computer and nerdy stuff : -1
– Artisctic : +1
– Leadership skills, social intelligence, sharp wit : +2
and with other choices
The reason i think excelling in the third intelligence gives so much advantage is that it would provide a much thougher defence against women’s shit tests, regaining social posture etc.
– Back in the time where the “game” was not know publicly thanks to guys like CH, the men who “didn’t get it” was most probably going no further than fapping all their life. So how much a man who is programmed to be wussy, nerdy and beta can get from the game?
Learning the game and changing where you go is a really revolutionary step when you think that %99 of betas before were condemned to their miserable life all their life.
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Let me start from the beginning, I am 18 and my sister is 21. I just finished high school and my sister is home from college. I guess this year her grades started slipping or something, because I walked past her room and she was crying. I walked inside her room to ask her what’s up and she hands me a letter – apparently she’s up for review by her college for dismissal. I feel kinda sorry for her so I gave her a hug and one thing led to another and we started making out. This is really weird because I’ve made out with girls before, but my sister blows them all out of the water. In the back of my mind lies the fact that she’s my sister and what we are doing is sick and wrong, but I guess my sister has more experience and it felt so fucking good.
Here’s the dilemma – after making out, Karen started taking her clothes off and she started pulling my pants down. I’m like, hey, what are you doing? She’s like, oh come on Jordan, aren’t you even a LITTLE curious? I felt bad because its true, my sister is a hottie and I always wished that she wasn’t my sister. I’ve even gone as far as to fap to thoughts of doing her. She then said “For tonight, let’s not be brother and sister. I really need this because I feel like shit right now and our parents won’t be back till late and we aren’t going to tell anyone.
I pretty much just fucked my sister. No, to be more honest, I just lost my virginity to my sister.
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This is all a joke!
Sure alot of this stuff gives you a better with certain levels of girls. Being tall is always a plus, having money is always a plus, and being smart is always a plus. This is all the same stuff that women have talked about since the beginning of pick up.
The ONLY key is how you carry yourself. Be confident in what you are and what you do and you will run sh%t. Sure you will get NOs. No one bats 1000%.
Don’t bend with hot b%tchy girls – just jab right back at them and don’t ever get fazed. Be even more aggressive and confident in your moves. That’s the key to picking up 8s, 9s, and 10s.
As for average chicks, play along any game that they are into. If they are talking about work then just play as you have the greatest job ever. If they talk about muscles and lifting just act as you are a gym nut. Personally I think average girls are boring to pick up because they are so predictable and easy to close.
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This test is absolutely 100% correct. Maybe i say that just because i scored over the average…
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Hahaha, -6 here…
I’m just gonna go kill myself.
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This test is for faggots. Anyone that thinks he’s a alphamale or even remotely thinks that dating is done in ‘leagues’ is a tremendous faggot. I will find and beat the shit out of you
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This is fairly biased. Really. Shitheads and Wifebeaters score the best? Ahahahahahaahaa. Someone must like it rough.
+6 here.
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+1 if you’re unhealthily skinny.. lolololol, really? None of the 35 chicks I dated has said she was into anorexic guys. This test is a good joke. Anyone who takes something to heart from someone who says “Booty will stick to you like bird shit to a car roof” will be sorely disappointed in the real world lol..
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Goes to show not even women know what they fucking want. This is extremely biased, and based on a minorities ideology 9/10 times it contradicts itself – seems like we’re looking for the bogan womans PERFECT wife-beating, singlet wearing, mullet growing jailbird, who’s also high level job owning(wtf?) 100KG bench-pressing skinny-ass motherfucking unfunny funnyman(yeah, this one threw me too), who needs to be smart enough to run a business but not be smart enough to actually achieve a high level IQ.
And worse of all. You want corny pick-up lines?
Women like this are the reason I’ll gladly stay single and pick up a couple of bimbos at a bar to fuck. Why bother doing anything else? I actually feel sorry for the poor motherfuckers who are trying to pick a wife out of this bunch.
Enjoy life, faggots. It’ll be short, and you’ll end up dying of some bastard mix of STIs.
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Well, don´t take this test to heart. The intelligence-score is bullshit, the pick-up lines are bullshit (NO woman would want to date a man that asks her if she bought him a drink on the first date, NO woman would want to date a man who walks away in the middle of a conversation without an explanation, &c.), the bench pressing-score is bullshit and the +1 for skinniness is bullshit as well. Or rather the skinniness is bullshit regarding slim women. I´ve seen obese women dating skinny men, but no average or slim woman would look for skinny men.
The “dating market value test for women” by the way, is just as biased if not more so than the value test for men.
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10. What is your occupation?
Made new odering……
High status (doctor, executive, professor, successful artist or musician or writer, professional athlete, etc.): +1 point
Neutral status (business owner, engineer, programmer, accountant, salesman, mid level manager, scientist, military officer, well-paid tradesman, etc.): 0 points
Low status (low paid blue collar, admin, construction, janitor, struggling web designer, help desk, etc.): -1 point
Fail status (stockbroker): -10
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“Actually, that score for asians is too generous, most white/black/hispanic girls would not even consider asians as dating partners. I read that an Asian guy would have to make hundreds of thousands more a year to be seen as attractive as the average white man.”
*sigh* You should talk to someone about that inferiority complex.
If all other factors were the same (ie. style, fitness, attitude, language), an Asian would have little to no difference his success picking up a girl from any of those races than a white guy would.
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Amateurs.
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“If all other factors were the same (ie. style, fitness, attitude, language), an Asian would have little to no difference his success picking up a girl from any of those races than a white guy would.”
That PC nonsense that everyone is equal in attractiveness doesn’t really apply anymore when there are studies that are being done on the topic.
Columbia University — with research and editing assistance from Harvard University, MIT, and Stanford University — conducted a study on racial preferences in interracial dating. The study was conducted over a two-year period between 2004 and 2007, involving thousands of participants, and the latest draft of the report was published in “Racial Preferences in Dating” in May 2007.
The politically incorrect and bad news for Asians of both sexes is that Asians are rated the least physically attractive race, and that’s especially true for Asian men, i.e., women of other races find Asian men the least attractive.
From the study:
“For male partners, our main finding is that Asians generally receive lower ratings than men of other races. In fact, when we run the regressions separately for each race, we find that even Asian women find white, black, and Hispanic men to be more attractive than Asian men.”
Source
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf
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Well since this is the most recent post, it most likely will never be read. But my philosophy in bars is to (a) never compliment a girl on her looks (b) don’t buy drinks (or only buy them late in the game…and buy them for your friends too) (c) ask unusual questions and listen closely to the answers (and ask more questions based on those answers). If you have a trusty story that will either make you seem funnier or like a good/interesting person, ask leading questions that will give you the opportunity to tell that part about you without seeming obvious.
You have to keep in mind that good-looking girls that are out with friends (especially less good-looking ones) are expecting to be hit on and have been hit on before. Coming from an average-looking guy with a slightly-above-average track record with women, I feel that the asshole approach is a slippery slope that is hard to pull off. On the other hand, if you can make the girl feel comfortable and laugh, without seeming overzealous, you can do alright.
And if you’re not that confident in your game and/or you don’t have a decent wingman, wait til about 1:15 or 1:30, approach a group of three girls and target the one that seems the middle-hottest (or the median) and try to keep her interested until the bar closes. When she has to make a decision about where to go, the “I have to take care of my friend excuse” will be ineffective and she’ll be more inclined to act on her instincts rather than with her sensibilities.
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Nonsense.
Errbody wants to put
a name and face
to Obsidian
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Excellent advice, Daniel…you’ve either read ROCK HER WORLD or you’ve just naturally accumulated mad skills.
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“Errbody wants to put
a name and face
to Obsidian”
For some reason, I can’t help but picture Tim Meadows
in “The Ladies Man”
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worddd I agree with gfish. some of your shit is very misleading..you’re telling these guys its okay to act like inadequate dicks..no real, respectable, pretty girl with a self esteem is gonna fall for some this bullshit!!!!
” kiss for a little bit then push her gently away and look distracted for a second.”- yeah okay. what are you 12? with bad add?
“I’m thirsty. Are you thirsty? Let’s go inside and taste DC’s finest tap water. But you can only stay for a minute, I have to get up early.”- righttttt??? what are you out of your mind?
‘C) nothing. Just go.”- really? just go the bathroom without saying shit? fucking weirdo. who does that?!!
(C) immediately approach but from an indirect angle, looking around the room distractedly on the way over to your target as if you might see an even prettier girl somewhere else, and finally delivering your opener from over your shoulder.- what r u some sort of dick? who does this shit?an insecure little boy. real men dont act like this!!!
ughhhhhhhhh.. this is why most guys dont havea f*cking clue! keep misleading them.
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Props to CH for creating such a discussion-worthy thread.
When you think about it, what makes someone alpha is when they are able to get what they want. And what we all do want is to be happy. We each get our desires from the different experiences of our lives which is why one test cannot be the answer as to how each of us is doing in life.
There is one common denominator of success and that is happiness. But there are a lot of people who don’t even know how happy (or sad) they are. It’s a relative thing but if you want to get an idea of where you are, start paying attention to how much you complain.
The less you complain, the more alpha you will become. And when you aren’t complaining, you will have more energy to focus on what you want. More focus, means you will GET more of what you want.
Only tell stories that support the version of you that you want to become. Don’t put your confidence in the approval of others. Remind yourself often of where you are going in your life and don’t let setbacks occupy your attention. That’s how you become alpha.
If you get good at that, then you don’t need advice or lessons on how to get what you want. All of your guidance comes from within. Tap into that shit and kill this life.
@matthewgrist
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u get laid much urself?… dont think so
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@Johnre – Getting laid is no longer what determines my happiness. Although, it was at one point in time. Now I have a girlfriend who is the coolest chick I’ve ever met, I live on a beach and I have a business that helps make people’s lives better.
There’s a lot more to life than banging random broads whenever you can. Whatever the case, I hope you find happiness wherever your path leads you.
@matthewgrist
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All true, for a certain feminine archetype. In my mid-20’s I took the Southern Gentleman approach and was very successful with precisely the same women that would blow off anyone who tried the above approach.
Yes, there are many women who go for the pickup artists, assholes, and type A “alpha” sort the author is targeting. Those women tend to produce tons of drama, and aren’t anyone I want to be around – regardless of how pretty they are. This sort of jackassery is fine for short term, meaningless, emotionally abrasive flings, but is a sure-fire way to be single at 40.
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Regarding #15.
If your IQ is part of you self-image, you are a loser nerd.
But if you just plain smart (and care about scoring rather than finishing the experiment and getting the article into Nature), that is certainly an asset.
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This is mislabeled. This is a test that will let you know what your chances are of picking up shallow hot women, not what your dating prospects are. If you want really good sex, you should learn how to meet and impress women of substance (no, I’m not talking about harpy shrews or fatties). Lay off the 15 year old hotties for a minute and get some good sex, and then rewrite this. I give it a C-.
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The test is awesome in the first half… In the second half its obvious its based on a cult-like belief in the mystery-method (or something similar).
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I can’t help but wonder where the people who think this doesn’t fit the case rank.
New to the press. Good post.
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What kind of complicated women are you guys going for?
What kind of pretentious pricks are you guys masquerading as?
I don’t have any problems with women, and no I’m not bragging about that either. I’m here because someone gave me this site and I just looked through it and just felt really sorry for the kind of people that have to read this stuff in order to get just 5 min attention from an average women (who thinks she’s really hot) not even worth their while. And even then after all that effort and paralyzing anxiety it’s just a maybe with her.
To me these pick up methods are insane and unnatural. Come on guys; if you have to read a damn manual in order to ‘pick up’ there is either something wrong with you (which fortunately can be fixed) or there is something wrong with the women around you (which probably can’t be fixed). So take my advice, get a sea change and go somewhere where you actually have a fair chance to know a girl on a very authentic and personal level before you try to bang them. I have and it’s working fine so far (0 complaints, no feelings of low self esteem). If all else fails then go to Europe or Russia. Women are a completely different experience over there.
“Life is so simple but we insist on making it complicated” Confucius
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You should know that parkour isn’t necessarily a “lifetime commitment.” It can translate into a way of thinking that results in “ooh…I could totally pop vault over that wall over there…whoa, that looks like a nice place for a tic-tac and then a thief vault,” but with sufficient training proficiency is easily attained. Mastery, on the other hand…
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Funny test. I think you’d have to adjust some of the scoring based on the age of your market, though. This test definitely suits the 21-25 market.
For the 27-32 female age bracket, you would probably need to award my points for career.
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dude, this was a riot. What alot of dudes gotta remember here is that YES the shit is silly and YES none of this shit bears any relevance on your worth as a dude, but chicks go in for that shit man. “Let’s look at my goldfish but then you gotta get outta here so I can get to sleep” has bagged me more ass than I coulda got with a million dollars and a gun. Dont take it so literal, just be the kind-of-a-dick that chicks don’t yet realize they wanna get nailed by and quit sweatin the load over details and get out there an FUCKIN’ SLING
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i think the IQ thing is real. i have a high one but for the first time am living with a guy who is smarter than i. it’s not threatening but he has a tendency to focus on nerdy topics. i’m an intellectual as well but… it has its time and place – i.e. when you’re sober. when you’re drinking and hanging out – pointing out little nerdy details or making little nerdy observations… it’s just not that funny. not to mention most of his friends are kinda nerdy as well. i can see why i went for neanderthals before. well anyway… thank god he’s got a huge dick.
humor is everything for women. i think that a lot of times why these obnoxious comments being suggested above might work is simply because they are funny. women don’t like jerks but they do like surprises and if you get them laughing you’re halfway there every time.
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Heh! “Let’s look at my goldfish”. Fiendishly clever. I knew there was an ulterior motive for owning those things.
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If a girl asks you to buy them a drink whom you don’t already know or are dating it’s time to bail because they are not interested in you they are interested in hustling you for drinks.
you can ask them if they want something but not vice versa.
there is nothing cool about ignoring people in the middle of conversation unless your not speaking or it’s not being directed at you.
you address the person your interested in or the group, if you start with the fat chick she will hang all over you.
groping is an art you don’t necessarily start at the boob you start with the hips to the butt or the back to the butt and work your way up to the breasts for anticipation. If you don’t go for it you won’t get it but you do have to have the feeling it’s right and if it is she has probably been wondering why you haven’t.
as far as girls saying how much they like sex also a teaze
being smart is never a problem being a smart ass or trying to show up people is a problem.
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Hello! I have a vagina! I also have an opinion.
I must admit, getting called out or teased by some fearless guy does turn me on. Not having to repel a steamroller of a man is a relief. The cat and mouse games are fun AND good for you, like those balance-board exercises.
But I’m attracted to that assholish candor because that’s what I think it is – candor. It gives ME permission to be a truthful asshole, too. And I love that brazen fearlessness because then I can be fearless right there with him.
If it’s all just a trick, though, then that means the guy’s still scared deep down. And in seducing a girl, he’s thinking of it in terms of defeating a person he’s secretly scared of. And a little angry at. For me, thinking about that is a major, major turnoff. Disappointing! Next, please.
“Respect” isn’t a beta thing. Cowering isn’t respect. Respect, as displayed by the alpha-est of alphas, is fucking incendiary. It’s a healthy awareness of, and acceptance of, your partner’s power. It doesn’t lessen yours. It’s only when you start apologizing and placating that you lose your own power.
Women can be fucking tigresses. (Vagina Dentata! Pussy with fangs.) The prevailing theory, as far as I can understand, says betas are the men who are eaten by the tiger, and alphas are the men who tame the tiger with chairs and whips. Yes?
The third, and by far the hottest, option – which nobody ever talks about – is a man who’s a tiger himself. Ever read “Lady Chatterly’s Lover”? God, thinking about it gives me shivers. Total alpha, sometimes a jerk. But he respected her. He respected her as an animal and a mind and a basket of emotion, and wasn’t AFRAID of her.
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Each person will have a different dating / mating strategy depending on their strengths and weaknesses. A good looking stud with a low IQ will probably do well when he is young and hormones in both sexes are strong. The problem is that time takes its toll on these guys because if they cannot keep up financially / socially then they are cooked. The guys with high IQ will have the endurance. Their status will increase as they climb the domenance heirarchy. They might have to pick up some of the baggage left by the studs (step-children) but will get to succesfully mate well into their 40s and maybe 50s.
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Observer: People who cannot argue their position but expect it to remain politically viable (social conservatives and feminists) often use the term “whiner” to describe those who intend to get those ideologies replaced in the leadership of one political party or another. The fearful call the interlopers whiners while showing an inability to defend their own point of view.
Sarah Palin lost the 2008 election where she was the main attraction/detraction of the ticket for the GOP. Socons are on their way out in terms of control of the GOP…so the real whiners will be the socons as libertarians take over the Republican Party. Feminists are, of course, whiners by definition.
Also, it is the oldest and weakest nonsense on the Internet to say that somebody who posts their opinion on a forum or blog somehow doesn’t have a life.
Obviously, since a man his age can only come about 2 times per day and it takes maybe 40 minutes to enjoy a woman that way…there are about 22.5 hours in his day left over for other things.
[editor: speak for yourself. the seed is strong in this one.]
I save a lot of time in dating by getting right to the point about sex. I even told a 20 year old tonight, to break the ice at the beginning of our second date, that I would rather give her $200 as a present to “speed things up” than otherwise…and she thought about it and agreed. I saved the long dinner and a longer movie – which would have been about $75 anyway. Plus we have a great starting point for the 3rd date.
So efficient guys have plenty of time to post things on blogs.
Hugo: It is depressing that you associate a man getting older with somehow becoming beta in comparison to “alpha studs”. Alphas don’t “settle” or “make way for new alphas” that they have to take sloppy seconds from as they age into their 50s. You would have to be insane to think that a 50 year old alpha would accept the leftovers of younger “studs”. Even when I am 60 in 10 years I won’t *have* to deal with divorcees with children if I don’t want to. Plenty of women 18-21 will agree to be the sex buddy of a physically fit man who can help them through college or show them a good time. And as those women get older, they remain friends who were used by me, not some “alpha stud”. Alphas may marry in their old age to an older member of their long term harem whom they particularly came to love and respect.
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Damn, Jack, that $200 sure did speed things up…but it was still $200. I would have cooked her dinner, ate dessert off of her rack, and saved $255 (Dinner out can be around $75, but cornish game hens, some sides and dessert should only run you $20).
Paying for it shouldn’t be a crime, but I think it should be reserved for 3-ways. Regular girlfriends get all uptight over them, whereas Pros just need a bit o’ green.
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To the question, “Nice shirt! Are you gay?” I think I’d probably go with “I borrowed it from your dad. You like?” That’s just me though…lol
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@PhillyBoy81
Do people actually ask that question? The only times girls have ever asked me if I was gay was when they had some sort of interest in me! Usually sex/relationship!
Snake Eyez
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I think being a beta can be compared to eating someone’s leftovers. The 7-10’s spend their teenage years and twenties hanging out with Alphas, give their virginity and energy away to Alphas. The beauty starts to fade away when she reach 30’s, her market value gets lower, she loses her ability to compete with other (younger) women and the only thing left is to settle down with a boring beta-provider. As a result, the beta-male naively thinks he is the best catch and his partner deludes herself by thinking that she has grown up. I think that’s just sad.
22, beta male
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Despite all the valid complaints over problems with this test, I found the final result to be exactly what I expected. I scored a -4, and the description fit my stage in pick up exactly. I don’t repulse chicks, I just bore them and seem uninteresting.
CH has some issues with the advice he gives, but overall I’m finding this a very helpful blog in teaching me how to overcome my betaness. Keep it up!
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i made a couple points but being over 50 my experience has taught me your questions arent accurate
If you have invented something interesting, possess an IQ over 140, and can read palms add 40 points.
To the discerning man, intelligence is as a powerful aphrodesiac to the right lady as millions in the bank.
Judging a lady by her cover is an art few book readers know.
You can eliminate all the unknowns by knowing this art. Its taught in KGB, CIA & MI6 schools but not much elsewhere. It works in reverse, you can learn to be the alpha male just by walking in the room. Ignore them until they force themselves to touch you.
The power of the mind is better than any technique, mind fuck them long before you say hello.
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DUMASS TEST.
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I scored a 17 – how come I am not getting laid then? I also think the IQ thing is not accurate. I understand that smart guys over think and dumb jocks do get laid but smart guys usually win out in the end….is that not what this whole thing about pickup is all about?
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I’d wager the guys with the higher income have some more self-assuredness and poise, but the only way to make their ‘money talk’ is to flaunt it and spend a lot, and most (smart) men with money tend not to do that.
It’s somewhat the same with the high IQ…you might be able to explain nuclear fusion to a woman, but it doesn’t mean you have to. Pick up a few vapid celebrity or sports headlines to run with until you get her talking about herself, and you’re all set.
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I will add my 2 cents here:
Having money definitely gets you sex. If a woman thinks you are good for it, she will do something sexual if you make it clear that you could just drop 2 weeks salary in their purse no problem. For young women with high paying jobs, this would be as high as $2000. Many secretary types are available to do something (at first, watch you, after that, handjob, etc) for about $800 (college students often less).
Spending that much on taking them out counts…but cash is preferred. You’d be surprised how willing middle class women will be to serious amounts of cash.
High IQ is only bad in that it is a myth that women want to marry up. They only want to marry slightly up. You can see this in the FSU. Russian hairdressers will not seriously date American yuppie males anymore. You may as well directly offer them $300 for sex because they aren’t going to believe you will really marry them and stay with them. The same is true, of course, with American hair dressers.
Instinctively, from the days before DNA testing, they would expect the higher IQ gamer to deny fatherhood and turn his back on her after pregnancy.
Otherwise men of high IQ can make the best PUAs.
Don’t flatter yourself dumb guys.😉
Your only advantage, all other things being equal, is that the dumber women consider you a possibility (or sticking around somehow) and, thus, will mate with you.
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Just saw “Drag Me to Hell”. Near the end the young woman is about to give away the curse to an old man in a diner…but decides against that only when she sees he is happily married.
She would have otherwise condemned his soul to eternal damnation.
Gee thanx Hollywood.
Nothing like being brutally open about how you feel.
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Ugh… -14 … I expected to be labeled a beta… but I do appreciate that this is honest (I only get the fat ones and not even regularly).
I scored 170 on an IQ test, and it shows (and I agree, the higher the IQ, the lower the chances of getting some. I know a Nobel winning scientist, and even with his prize he can’t get some without paying).
My hope is that money will help me
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IQ does not help most men in figuring out game by themselves, smart guys have the same illusions and wrong assumptions and are just as clueless initially. However, once they’re aware that there is a coherent body of knowledge available to those willing to learn, think, and practice that will greatly improve their success with women, smart guys are much better at finding and absorbing this information.
Given the same values of all other attributes (salary, looks, social status) being smarter will result in playing the game better, and therefore in more success. Women do not necessarily want a super IQ in a guy, but they almost always want someone at least as smart as them, so smart guys can get smart chicks much more easily than average-IQ guys can. They don’t have a disadvantage with less smart girls if they don’t show off — the idea is to stay one or two steps ahead of them, but not scare them off. (Of course if your job makes it obvious you are smart, for example if you are a doctor, lawyer, or professor, girls who are dumber than average will usually know that you’re not interested in them for anything long-term, but girls who are even a tiny bit above average will imagine that you might be.)
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my love is sweet and you know wht i mean is so funny doh
i just want fun to forget my girllover who die in a planecrash last sep on a trip to south Africa
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how come women are scored on how nice they are to guys with small dicks but men are not scored at all on dick size? someone is hiding a tiny secret!
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Wow, you really underestimate how important a guy’s physical appearance is to women these days–young women, especially.
Women would much prefer to have sex with a tall, hot, good-looking, buff man–with great teeth I might add, that’s really important to women–than a wealthy doctor who has a little too much weight, a little too tiny penis, and a little too little hair. You put much too emphasis on the traditional male ideas of what women find attractive.
Let’s face women want to mate with great-looking guys because they have good genes and they look like they’ll be good hunters–hearkening back to our savanna past. Sometimes having money and being a bad ass just isn’t enough.
[editor: ugly ass mick jagger has banged more hot babes than all the male models combined. next!]
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Not to agree with her…. but most male models are busy banging OTHER male models.
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Ginger has a point–the “sexy sons” theory, surely you know this?
That said, I think the point of the first section is to rate the test-taker’s confidence and relative normalcy as a person, while the second part rates the guy’s game competence, which can be very independent from the first part. Obviously, you can’t come out and ask in this test “how confident are you?” or “are you cool?” Things like income and how popular a guy is with his circle of friends might not come out to a girl for several months, if ever. However, they are solid indicators of how happy he is with his life and how well-adjusted he is. And this not only indicates how appealing he is to women, but his ability to work at something like game and learn it. So actually, this section should arguably worth more, because I think there’s probably a correlation between ability to learn game and other areas. If you fail at your drive-thru job, for example, the subtleties of the neg are likely to elude you as well.
Besides game there’s a whole internal battle of inner confidence and togetherness that must be won before you become appealing to a high-class woman.
Also, fyi hotornot.com is not a reliable judge of how attractive you are at all. Not even close. I’m a 9.5 after two weeks, and my last name’s not pattinson.
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Also, Mick Jagger is a flawed counterexample. Rock stars exist on a plane of coolness that is attainable by no salary, game or other traits. Even a male model doesn’t come close. All things equal, I’m sure the attractive millionaire with game gets more than the ugly millionaire with game, no?
[editor: an unattractive middle income man with game will beat an attractive middle income man with no game 9 times out of 10.]
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This quiz reflects the biases of the author. He was taught how to pick-up women an certain way and seems to believe that anyone who doesn’t apply the “formula” is wrong. This is also reflected in many of his blogs posts, where he expresses anger toward people who don’t act they way he thinks they should (i.e. “herbs”).
The questions are based on his personal experiences. For example, the question about making out with a girl in the club. Sure coping a feel could be a bad thing, but if you don’t push the interaction it’s not going to go anywhere. The truth of the matter is that if you just sit there and make out with the girl, that’s all you will get. But if you slowly start rubbing her thighs, you’ll be finger-banging her before you know it.
With that in mind, take the results with a grain of salt.
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Did ok, but need some work to get the ladies I guess
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[editor: an unattractive middle income man with game will beat an attractive middle income man with no game 9 times out of 10.]??????????????
Which age group? What kind of women? For young hot women – no way my friend…they are all about looks. For women in their 30’s maybe…for chemically imbalanced cougars – no way…Sorry thats not going to happen….not in the real world…
Women overall like good looking men. If a guy is attractive and has game, he will do well. If the guy is unattractive and and had game – maybe. But overall…a good fit male is going to have a much better chance and the first horse out of the gate is mostly the winner….
Its just mother nature…
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Chiguy,
Lots of people here would challenge you on that; for a recent set of relevant posts, check out the story of Gorbachev and PCG on the “Why Game Will Continue To Be Relevant” thread which began on 5/21/10. (That is only a small part of an awesome thread, RTWT.)
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Out of the first 18 Qs I get +3 :p
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“Spending lots of free time programming computers as a kid instead of running around on the playground: -1 point.”
I don’t know what I was thinking, but I went to a highschool that was really good at computer programming classes. And I don’t know what I was thinking when I chose a curricula filled with them. I’d hardly have sex with anybody that is into programming. -10 is better than -1.
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Polymath,
Yes I read the posts on the “Why Game Will Continue To Be Relevant”,
If anything I think looks are more important than ever.
Women are making good money these days (in many cases more than men) and with that they are looking for things that they did not back in the good ole days – such as looks, swagger, thuggery – adventure. I personally do not equate them to game. Its more lifestyle. Game is really nothing but carnival tactics if you think about it – cold reading, humor, tricks…ect….it was called charm years ago…
No this actually proves that men have a tougher road to hoe then before….especially if one does not have any natural advantages….
Is that not so?
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this test is a bit weak, far too subjective/silly/inaccurate vs. the female test.
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I would agree, this needs to be gender specific. However, I don’t need a test to know I need to lose weight.
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Took the Quiz Scored really high.Getting divorced immdiately to try it out.
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The physical, financial and ‘game’ stuff don’t really work well together, because women don’t balance all this stuff out and give a score. If a guy is 70 years old and has billions of dollars, like a Howard Hughes for example, he doesn’t need game or hair, so he gets 1,000 points, not 1, and if a guy has great game he can get away with being bald etc. And assuming that this measures the dating appeal to 20-25 year old or so women, I’d say the physical aspects are far too lenient. Do you think young hotties don’t notice a pot belly and thinning locks on a 50 year old because he makes $90k? They do, and they think it’s gross, unless maybe if he has super killer game, then the combover doesn’t matter….so much. 1 point for a motorcycle? Sure, if he’s 18. If he’s 50, she going to wonder why the hell she is riding the bus all winter for the opportunity to get boned by baldy?
The subtle interplay of personality, looks, finances can’t be boiled down this easily.
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This seems pretty accurate to me. I scored a 5 on this, and I’m a beta in real life, so…
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Re: the IQ question, I agree 145+ should be minus 2 points if not more. This is what I call the Rule of the Roost, which has been confirmed by four separate studies on IQ distribution among the sexes: 9/10 of mentally handicapped (90-) people are male, and 9/10 of hi-Q types (145+ accurately locates the threshold) are also male. In between, the females enjoy an average advantage of 10 points on the mean, across the spectrum excluding the extremes mentioned. This is why they expect to feel (yes, feel…) more intelligent than their partner. They usually are, and this is the norm around which their behavior forms. A hi-Q smashes their comfort zone, threatens their identifications and vanities, and makes them feel (yes, feel…) stupid, whether intentionally or not. And there’s even more to it! Every behavioral cue across the board is cut for dummies… sorry, Alpha, I think your “dominant” tendencies are due to a lack of intelligence… But that won’t do you any harm unless you’re dumb enough to enlist.
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As one who grew up with a IQ 145+ father and an average mother, I’ve watched this play out for 25 years now. The intelligence difference has been a massive stressor on their marriage. Didn’t help that my brother and I are in that 2% 135-145 range, and my mom bore the brunt of raising two hyper-intelligent children she could barely understand sometimes (she had to do a lot of reading to figure out what was going on with us). I can’t say if mom wanted to feel smarter than dad, but she’s certainly felt the weight of living with somebody significantly more intelligent than herself, making her feel (yes) stupid. The bigger problem is that she’s not able to offer my dad the kind of mental stimulation he needs (another point – intelligent guys need that intelligence reflected to some degree from their partners in order to feel truly satisfied. It might sound weird, but when you’re talking about that range of intelligence, a lot of things are going to be a little different). They make it work, but it’s been a big struggle (worse since my brother and I left home). I know that the intelligence thing probably doesn’t affect a short-term situation very much, but long term? There are drawbacks.
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-9. I guess I’ve got no business visiting this blog😛
That being said, I would admit that the test is pretty accurate.
I’d like to know how exactly does being in a fistfight, or getting arrested improve my rating, though?
Are they somehow supposed to make me feel more badass, and confident? Or am I supposed to somehow let the girl know that I punched a dude, to earn her respect, or whatever it is I’m trying to earn from her..
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-3. Damn.
Re: the intelligence question… I don’t think it’s the intelligence that turns girls off so much as the social ineptitude that is common among high-IQ types.
Point being.. a man can be super-smart and still get laid… IF he has social skills.
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None of the PUA shit applies outside of the bar/club/party meat market.
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THis is crap, I got +4 in the test! haha
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Thanks for writing that, Sev. Looks like I’ve got to get sober so I’ve got to leave that scene (Thanks OFFICER TASER)…although after 20-odd years I don’t think I’ve missed out on anything. If nothing else, the girls ought to be smarter, healthier and not out to start fights or vomit in the car…
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Extremely inaccurate. Surprising since I thought the test for women was almost dead on. Some of my very best friends would score in the 0s to 10s when they’re really considered alpha males.
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good thing I am married becuase I didnt score very well
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””””’But that won’t do you any harm unless you’re dumb enough to enlist.””””’
But that got me a lot of pussy. I was dumb enough to get married and stop the waterfall.
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All of those means nothing. When I tell girls about my 200K investment banking job, they don’t care about anything else.
Basically, if you have a BMW, 6-figure job, and average looks then you can bang any girl you want. Forget about games and shit, just get hard cash.
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A note on intelligence,
Any moderately intelligent person should know that other people, even intelligent ones, don’t appreciate someone “geeking out” on them. Sometimes its best to play dumb.
On the other hand a high IQ can make it difficult to relate to other people and their problems, ie something like credit card debt vs. having an existential crisis.
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This test is flawed. If you are 0-4 looks wise you take off more than -1 point. That’s a straight -5 there. Also, those game related questions don’t count because any beta fag can learn them and fake “alphaness”
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[…] a bone of advice to all the “beta” males trying hard to develop game. Most of that is bullcrap […]
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I like those who criticize this test. Because you know they are wrong.
Following this guide to increase your points WILL RESULT IN MORE FEMALE ATTENTION AND SEX. If you doubt it, TRY IT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. Only betas and fools ignore reality.
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um…right. good luck with that, samseau.
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Wow, a trackback from an electrical engineering major at UC Berkeley who likes “coding free software” in his spare time. Clearly he knows so much more about “personal development, romance” than any pick-up artist could.
I mean, come on, he gets compliments from girls’ parents all the time. http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rfguo/blog/?p=707
He must be getting laid all the time showing them PHP tricks. Maybe he needs to talk about the Linux kernel more.
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^haha too funny.
“A previous girlfriend explained this effect as due to younger girls being more attracted to “flashy” guys but mature over time ”
hahaha
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[…] Your Sexual Marketplace Value: Get Out There Our friends over at The Chateau have a nice set of measurable parameters that can help you determine your sexual market place […]
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But where are the real questions? About how well the guy cooks, cleans, and eats pussy? Men are worthless shits. It’s about time you sluts learned what really matters to a woman! No wonder the writers here have so much time to write. They’re not even sluts, they’re slut wannabes! Learn how to use your tongues doucehbags.
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Chiguy said “For young hot women – no way my friend…they are all about looks”
classic beta (or worse)
you’ve lost the game before it even started because you arent even willing to play
If you go into any situation in life with the pre-conceived idea that you are going to lose, guess what happens?
You lose
and that makes you a …………
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Ok so it looks like I need to go start a fight, get arrested for it, get stupider, stop being social in online forums for things I am interested in and make everything into a joke about how I’m the MAN and she’s the WOMAN in this relationship.
Oh but wait, I go out with the women I’m actually interested in and don’t want to fuck floozies at bars. So I’ll not listen to this terrible test.
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wow what a bunch of bullshit, whoever came up with this is fucking retarded
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Privet!
I am 59 (really). I have far more success with young women than I did when I was 20-30, perhaps because I couldn’t find any at the time with whom to be unsuccessful. I have a BMI of 29 and thinning hair. But I am also tall (5 10) for the country in which I live, exercise regularly at a high level (I compete with 40 year olds – although I should go back to weights, Cardio is useless for sex appeal), the BMI includes a lot of muscle that shows in posture and dance movements. I dress my age at a smart and expensive level – no trainers, levis and sweat shirt. I occasionally attend a music pub. All I have to do is make prolonged eye contact with an unattached or weakly attached woman and sooner or later the woman is brushing up against me with her breasts or her legs and subsequently we are dancing together. Money is not necessary as an accelerator. I prefer a slow build up. The final result is so much better although I did pay the year after my divorce – 24 years without sex. 30 women in the 5 years since, including 15 for money in the first 6 months. None was over 42. Most were 25 -35 years old.
Women peak in fertility around 21-23. 42 year olds can win in major beauty contests. 43 year olds never do; neither can they reliably have babies. Healthy, successful men simply increase in value. (See Berlusconi). Biologically, they have survived. Success is proven; (not necessarily financial – great creativity can also count – I am an engineer with inventions – I reckon I have both). The ability to stick around until the children have left college is also proven in my case. I speak 5 languages, 3 fluently. I also have my own international trading business to a country with a whiff of danger about it. I am not rich. The business is new but expanding fast. I am not in the retirement phase of my life cycle. Women are not guessing about the genetic fitness of older men. It is an established fact (or not). In my case many women conclude that I have good genes to offer.
It is an untold secret of life but for one night stands, old man-young woman has been the easiest time of my life. LTR’s are harder. Women over 40 on the other hand, in general, are too insecure about their own decline to deal with having an older man as a boyfriend and perhaps they are not looking for genes and I am too threatening for an LTR. I have tried. The first 26 year old found me. I didn’t go looking. I do now have an LTR with a woman of 34, a single mother. Yes she will have to nurse me for 2 or 3 years before I die but she will have to nurse a man now 40 when she is herself old and frail. Actually, my father and grandfathers all died quickly (24 hours to 2 months) in their mid 80’s of massive strokes.
Most of the young women are well above average in looks or very clever or have high earning jobs or are tall or all these together. They complain that they frighten away men their own age. And its true. Most of the best men are married to most of the best women in their mid twenties even in these marriage deferring times. Women with intelligence do not build up their careers and then have babies. They have the babies early and forgo the consumption of baubles and then spend their lives on an uninterrupted career run. So, I am not dealing with the best of the best but I wouldn’t wish to. They deserve their single committed relationship. I am bailing out a very good looking single mother with the smarts to have started her own property business in the depth of a recession. I do have a problem, on Stanford Binet IQ tests I measure 135-140. (The limit of such tests is 140). On the GMAT years ago I was top 0.1% for numeracy and top 0.25 % for literacy. This does not mean Nerd/Geek. Joining the dots to design electronic circuits or code software is not clever. It is what people with IQ’s of 120 shelter behind. Why do Americans make this association between social ineptness and intelligence? If one tops the Nerd zone, it is hard to find women who really match you. I compensate by looking for women who have some creative talent in a visual or musical art – including interior design! I have never had the time to go there.
That was some Flame but clearly, I don’t think your scoring system fits every eventuallity. I obviously have some insecurity about this otherwise I wouldn’t be writing here. I think that it is about making a commitment to a woman 25 years younger than I am. Unthinkable in the Lost World in which I was brought up.
Congratulations on an intelligent blog.
I am slightly dyslexic. There may be typing errors.
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@Chiguy…one of my best relationships was with a girl who was 23 (and 36/24/36) when I was 37. I was flat-out beta the whole time and it didn’t matter, she would have done a woman in front of me if I’d asked. She was ‘hot’ but didn’t act on it…didn’t even wear makeup. Not all 20-something girls are vapid idiots, but you do have to work unnecessarily harder for them…
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How can I be good looking and still be a “classic beta”? None of the questions had anything to do with your style, which makes a huge difference.
The points could be arranged to have a poorly-dressed, obese felon who is a magical casanova.
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Yeah, race should be a major issue, but it matters where you are. Being White is always a plue, being Black is always a negative.
On a scale of -100 to +100, being White gets you +100 points in east asia, while being Black reduces you by -100.
Sad but true. And you wonder why Blacks hate Whites. I hate people that hate me and/or promote negativity about me (like many people on this blog tend to do), but I don’t blame anyone for having feelings and preferences. I don’t blame myself for having the same, and thus, I agree that geographical racial separation is the only way to solve the race problem. Blacks just can’t make it amongst other races, especially asians. My only fear is that whites, along with their asian brides, would come in and destroy us.
That said, I foresee an open and hot race war in AmeriKKKa, and part of me looks forward to it.
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Also, Asian women love WHITE guys and just about anyone but Blacks. Many white guys get off on this fact.
Black folks, if you’re reading this, it’s time to stop trying to integrate where we are not wanted, and it’s time to stop miscegenation with the ugly pieces of filth from the other races. If that’s all we can get, I’d much rather stick to my own kind or end up dying alone.
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GeorgeLincolnBlackGuy – WTF are you talking about? I am black and live in Southern California. I get more play from Asian girls than any other group. It’s TOO EASY. I would say that if you’re good-looking, intelligent and not Asian (sadly), it’s very east to date Asian women.
As far as the rest of your post – well, I hope you find some peace.
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Lol, cute. Real cute. I think some of the questions posed do, in fact, poseess a modicum of relation to “banging mad pussy” or whatever you guys wanna call it. Yes in some ways extremely high IQ can correlate to malajudtment, but certain individuals (myself included) find it to be an overwhelming advantage as far as controling women and men are concerned. Humans, both sexes, are inherently predictable. Evo psych proves this. The unfortunate side effect of mastering manipulation is that it soon becomes quite boring and you may find yourself attracted to extreme forms of sexuality : )
Hey don’t knock em till you tried em. That includes the De Sade special; whipping teenage girls and sticking “the body of christ” inside whores vaginas while mocking their absurd relegion.
This entire business of pua bullshit is largely a fucking sham. But by all means keep going, I find myself strangely amused….for now.
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for question #21, what if you respond with “i can orgasm more than you” and you were being honest(as a multi-orgasmic male)?
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lol
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No points for looking like a rapist pedophile? Are you serious? A rapist pedophile is *the* alpha male.
This video proves it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU
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What I find hilarious as heck is the women (and occasional men) that come on and try desperately to dispute the validity of these questions.
But once simple fact i have learned about women in my 40 years of life is this:
Women Lie.
I am not saying that they do this on purpose. In fact, I am willing to bet that they do not really understand that they are lying.
All these ‘social studies’ That have been done rely on one simple factor that Invalidates the entire study: They ask people to tell the truth about what they find desirable.
Women want someone attractive. Mysterious, but not so mysterious that they don’t think they can get a handle on him. They want someone dangerous. The two most common fantasies women have are, ironically enough, getting rescued from rape and/or death (But not TOO scary a death) and being raped in a sexy way (Millions of romance novels exploit this very fact…if it were not true, Then the whole ‘getting raped and then you cannot help but enjoy it’ thing would NOT be the top-selling bodice-ripper romance faire) which makes a dangerous male, especially one they are physically attracted to, especially appealing.
the fourth thing is self-confidence… The reason they go for the guy that brushes them off (although not badly enough to truly make them think they lost) Is the special feeling a woman gets when she looks around the room at all the other hot girls and realizes a guy like you picked HER… in a lot of cases, That’s almost instant twinge material. KNOWING you have other options but picked her makes her feel very special.
The fifth thing is actually keyed to odor. I am rather surprised that ‘how often do you shower’ was not on the list of questions. If you have a physically strenuous job, shower right after work before you hit the bars…. and try to get a little bit of sweat going before you get there. don’t overdo the smelly stuff, because women REALLY tend to take cues off of odor, and what they want is a hint of reminder that you are CLEAN (With maybe the tiniest whiff of an aftershave or good-smelling deodorant) and they want to smell YOU… a hint of body odor (Maybe an hour or so’s worth) can work marvels.
Women want to know that they are PROTECTED when you are around… thus the attraction to (some) muscles, and again a willingness to commit violence… because you may need to be violent to protect them.
and women, in turn, like to know that they are potentially valuable to you. it gives their self-confidence a boost when you are (very lightly and humorously) denigrating and they can exercise their own wit to prove that the flaw is meaningless.
And of course, intelligent. They want a smart,clever guy, because he is likely to be a good protector, but if you are TOO smart, you are likely to realize that you can get away if you let the lion eat her.
The problem is that most of these things work on the subconscious level… women are generally far more instinctive than men, and frankly, some of these things,if brought to their attention, They would find highly insulting or degrading.
They are LYING to you, and to themselves as well. They like it, but their social persona would NEVER let them admit it, because then other women and ‘non sexual interest men’ that are in competition for social status in the pack hierarchy that is humanity might notice that they are rolling on their back for the pack alpha… and feelhigher-status because they didn’t.
It’s the way humans work.
But, coming in and reading stuff that teaches guys to do exactly those things to increase their pack status, or even to simply ‘level the playing field’ with the guys that do this sort of thing instinctively (such guys are usually far less intelligent and less worthy of passing on their genes nowadays) simply to give themselves the same ‘all men are created equal’ quality will make most women distinctly uncomfortable, ESPECIALLY if they are experienced enough in the dating scene to know the truth, because it will make them self-consciously realize that they have been doing exactly that… rolling over and showing their bellies.
And they will lie about it… not because they are mean or intentionally deceptive, but because the instinct to maintain your place in the pack structure is stronger than the desire to be absolutely truthful. and they might not even know that they are lying. It’s not their fault, but it IS the reason why women are characterized often as ‘deceitful’. It’s the way they are hard wired, and not a true impingement on their honor… their honor is simply different from male honor.
as long as you remember it’s not true;)
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being smart is trouble. it makes it hard not to roll your eyes at girls and look at them like they re stupid.
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The IQ thing is correct.
If you’ve ever known actual geniuses–not just people who think they are but the real deal–then you know that they tend to be socially awkward emotional cripples. They have difficulty understanding other people’s behaviors and expectations because they just don’t think and see things the same way.
It is best to be a bit above average, because you get an advantage over most people while avoiding the disadvantages of being too different from everyone else.
If you think you’re both a genius and have no issues due to the fact that hardly anyone understands you, you’re lying to yourself about one of those things.
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I got +5 or 6 I think.
It looks like a lot of dudes are caught up in chest thumping and the like which is the equivalent of a girl not being able to admit she’s not that hot.
I’m 5’7. I am straddling the point at which intellect becomes a social impediment, though I do make good money.
What this means is I fall into classic beta because a guy like me simply can’t get away with giving the replies to 8’s and 9’s that would score me +1’s on the game questions, it’s like a 6 giving you repeated shit tests, eventually she’s going to get nexted without a thought.
If I acted like this I’d get shot clean out of the sky by the hot ones.
But like that girl who’s a 6 and been lucky enough to be pumped and dumped by some alpha dudes I’ve tasted the alpha fruit, I’ve had a 9 or two, how can I be happy with the 7’s that I got coming to me?
“Try not to make fatty fucking a lifestyle ” But fat girls are so easy! God, I’m trying ok? Sort of . . .
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I am short, fat, old, bald, and make Casper look tan
My only +1’s on your test were:
9, 11, 14, 17, and 18
FWIW:
Being smart is OK as long as you are not a dbag about it
Drinking and Sex voids one of my 3 rules of dating
Using the word Pee in a question tells me how much of an Alpha you are
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Well, I barely made it into the positives. The description sounds rather accurate relating to being on the cusp between both the upper negatives (-9 to 0) and the lower positives (1 to 9)……in exactness a score of +1.
One thing that absolutely puzzles me is why Q #15 would punish a person of high IQ especially those whom are way above mere 140 thus making it a negative number. It makes no logical sense. I felt that I had to give myself a score of -2 for this one. Assholes! I thought women liked really smart guys.
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Women will not date too high up above them. A man who is more than 20 IQ points higher will be too much of a flight risk (keep in mind that marriage and LTRs often end up with the men feeling like caged animals as the spouse grows older and loses her attractiveness). Women fear abandonment more than anything else.
This is one reason why men lose out for being too smart.
There are strategies for men to deal successfully with women more than 20 points lower on the IQ scale. If a guy is really smart, he knows these and implements them.
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To weigh in on the IQ issue, high IQ can often be absolutely entrancing to women, especially when it’s reflective of verbal facility, rather than being a wiz with numbers. There are women with whom highly intelligent people will never have a natural or fun rapport, but the company of those women bores the living hell out of me no matter how hot they are.
However, so long as intelligent people avoid the dreaded “High School Reversion” in which people feel that eternal pull to revert to whatever they exceled in as teenagers (whether it be smarts, looks, athletics, popularity…) in an effort to re-live past glories, very high intelligence is so rare as to be immediately interesting to women. I’ve had text exchanges with women I’ve never even met (on-line dating – I know this site probably disapproves) in which they sent me naked photos for no reason other than that they became addicted to the banter. I can honestly say I’d be embarrassed to send the DHV mindless texts I’ve seen held out as exemplary at this site. Maybe they work, but they just possess so little thought and originality, I’d hate to be associated with them.
A side note. One of the underlying principles of this site seems to be (I haven’t read it all) that, at least early on, one should cultivate genuine indifference to whether a woman stays or goes (an ideal that seems a tad odd given that the Chateau has dedicated an entire blog to the virtues of professing indifference. I assume the irony is noticed). High IQ people can often pull this off easily, not necessarily because they have multiple women waiting in the wings, but because they have multiple serious, intellectual interests as well as the big-picture perspective that comes with having such interests to return to. Women can sense when they’re not the center of your world, regardless of whether the competition is intellectual immersion or other women.
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Fine if you’re looking for hot, inexperienced 18 year-olds who have no internet connection and aren’t wise to this crap.
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@Jerry
“There are strategies for men to deal successfully with women more than 20 points lower on the IQ scale. If a guy is really smart, he knows these and implements them.”
Alcohol?
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None of this matters if your in a band
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Ha! This is the nest response yet! I totally should start a band immediately!!!
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quit being so sensitive
it’s only a game
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jerry
che, boludo
sure, this is the reason rain man isn’t swimming in pussy, because women are so intimidated by his prowess at raven’s matrices. ha!
if delivered in the right voice, this would actually make an awesome comedy routine, but the sad part is it’s not intended that way.
how ironic, that the largest of all rationalization hamsters ever exhibited on this board belongs to one of the male posters.
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@Ritmo Boluda
You’ve already been exposed as a pro-feminist troll and now you’re back for more punishment?
Your agenda won’t fly here. We know you put women on pedestals. You don’t even consider yourself a PUA or recognize that older women fear abandonment for younger women.
The last entry you made said you were in your mid-thirties and “in love” but you didn’t specify if you were a man in love with a woman (one-itis) or a woman or gay in love with a man.
Anyway, yes, women will not have the confidence to date, as equals or as an LTR, a man more than 20 points higher on the IQ scale if he has a high status. We’re talking guys with street smarts here, not the anti-male image of smart guys as nerds.
Women will instinctively know that a high status male, who runs circles around her intellectually, will only use her.
A man makes up for that by making sure she knows that only an STR is on tap. Then she won’t worry about getting rejected soon after, which is what, of course, happens.
Too many “smart guys” make the mistake of thinking that all relationships have to be as equals. They heard somewhere that “women marry up” but didn’t hear the caveat that there is a limit beyond which the fear of being used prevents women from aiming too high.
That isn’t even a theory. Any guy with smarts has noticed that he can get upper middle class 8s more easily than lower middle class 7s.
But you wouldn’t know because you don’t have the smarts.
If you look around Mangina Boluda, every time you go on the attack around here, it just gives others, like Evil Alpha, the opportunity to better explain that which you don’t want to get out.
Of course, one of your big agenda items has always been that you want to maintain the idea that women don’t behave in a manner that reflects fear of possible abandonment.
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jerry —
you write many words.
this has little to do with “confidence”, and much to do with seeing things on altogether different planes. it’s much the same reason why good friends usually have similar iq’s, too.
che, you’ve also got it drawkcab, in the sense that high-status nerds are the only nerds whom the local 100-iq bataclanas *will* “date” (in both senses of that word). because their status makes up for the yawning cognitive gap.
it’s the low-status nerds, not the high-status ones, who are stuck dating within one sigma IQ. get out into the real world sometime boss. thx
it’s much too enjoyable to sit back and watch you create whole alternate universes as you speculate.
you’re supposedly a chuck norris level sdmPUA champ, right? (in which “sd” = super duper)
…then aren’t you supposed to know that mantaining a certain amount of mystery is good?
jeez… jueput’ man
and, dear lord, do not ever try to make feminine version of “boludo”. not. ever. again
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@Ritmo
Boluda is in the Spanish dictionary but I haven’t spent any real world time insulting or even arguing with real Spanish or Latin Americans so I wouldn’t be an expert on how to rile them up. You shouldn’t be proud of knowing how to insult people in that part of the world.
You’re back-tracking again. You like to go on the attack and then back-track.
Sure, women will tend to date their own IQ range (or up to 20 points higher) because of the comfort it provides. But comfort and “being on the same plane” = not feeling comfortable on a higher plane.
That still explains how a non-nerd college grad in the upper middle class can more easily date a hottie from his own IQ range of say 120 than a lower middle class hair dresser with an IQ of 100.
But where you are, in fact, maintaining your pro-feminist agenda is that you’re ignoring the fact that you have a big problem with the idea that women are motivated by a fear of abandonment.
It reflects poorly on you that you think of high IQ males as nerds.
Furthermore, what you just said is only true if the high status male shoots for an STR after having learned game.
If he shoots for an LTR with someone much dumber, he can get shot down. It’s best for him to go for a SNL (same night lay). I’ve learned this from this blog and it works to prevent flaking.
With a dumber woman, always go for the SNL.
This is one of the most important lessons any man can learn from this blog who has an IQ of 120+.
No, I was an Upper Beta until I started to read this blog and, using Vulnerability Game, I’m still an Upper Beta when its useful but I’ve been smart enough to implement the advice here when being beta isn’t useful. You give the impression that, if you are a mid-thirties male in love with one woman, you’ve got an incredible inferiority complex toward those who use game outside of being “in love”.
My advice to you is to date more than one woman at the same time and forget about being “in love” with the woman you mentioned on the other thread.
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dude! i grew up in belgrano.
not everyone is an expat, sir
also, boludo isn’t necessarily an insult.
many are, but many aren’t. i.e., this sphere is often blind to the fact that “alone with cats in old age” ain’t actually such a bad thing for many ladies.
also, there’s a comparable number of men motivated by the same.
why do you think PUA’s teach “aloof game” and “attitude of abundance”? think mcfly, what default state are these two meant to replace?
if you perceive “nerd” as an insult, then you are probably not one of your vaunted “high-IQ males”.
nerd isn’t an insult — it’s a type of person who can more easily relate to other intellectually curious types, and *less* easily to more visceral types.
and, yes, virginia, the vast majority of *real* high-IQ males (not some weesh-ass +1 sigma bullshit) are nerds. as in, almost all of them. that doesn’t mean they can’t pull pussy, it just means that they have more barriers to overcome in seducing less-nerdy, less cerebral, more viscerally motivated pussy.
in my experience, smart women are *more* likely, not less, to be promiscuous and/or to give it up early than stupid women are. also, if you’re the statistics type, this is borne out by research numbers — look it up yourself.
i can see 2 good reasons for this: 1) they’re more cerebral about everything, including sex, so they’ve built up a greater trove of fantasies that they want to actualize; 2) they think of their intelligence, not their chastity/good girl traits, as their primary draw in addition to looks (and they’re often quite right about that, too), so they’re less likely to hold out against their own desires to gain hand.
(there also used to be #3, they’re in the more pampered social classes and so had greater license… but let’s get real, this is 21st century america.)
but, yeah, let’s face the facts — the only women you’re really gonna *talk* into a snl are the ones that are at least somewhat brainy.
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hijo mío, what did you do with yourself for almost fifty years?
this is probably the single weirdest thing to me about this whole sphere, is the notion of middle-aged guys deciding to alpha up after several decades of life.
i mean, i can understand “learning game from external sources” for men in their twenties who’ve so far gotten by on looks alone. but, ¿really, dude?
the only guys i know who are betas past 40 are the ones who are perfectly happy being betas. i.e., the type who might suffer heartbreak as a result, but who would be viscerally uncomfortable with anything resembling the notion of “asshole game”.
what is life without pasión?
you *never* talk about love, or emotions, at all. is that all there is with you? PUA’s and MLTR’s and ASD’s and OMGWTFBBQ’s and cash payments?
fleeting as it is, love is the end. all that other shit is just the means.
been there, done that, got the t-shirt. it does get old, you know.
but, if you’re just getting out of the gate at fifty, i’ll forgive your rookie enthusiasm.
now i’m working on having a grip of kids and **ahem** actually raising them myself. cause dna ain’t shit without a connection.
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hijo mío, what did you do with yourself for almost fifty years?
this is probably the single weirdest thing to me about this whole sphere, is the notion of middle-aged guys deciding to alpha up after several decades of life.
i mean, i can understand “learning game from external sources” for men in their twenties who’ve so far gotten by on looks alone. but, ¿really, dude?
the only guys i know who are betas past 40 are the ones who are perfectly happy being betas. i.e., the type who might suffer heartbreak as a result, but who would be viscerally uncomfortable with anything resembling the notion of “asshole game”.
what is life without pasión?
you *never* talk about love, or emotions, at all. is that all there is with you? PUA’s and MLTR’s and ASD’s and OMGWTFBBQ’s and ATM’s and cash payments?
fleeting as it is, love is the end. all that other shit is just the means.
been there, done that, got the t-shirt. it does get old, you know.
but, if you’re just getting out of the gate at fifty, i’ll forgive your fiery, evangelistic rookie enthusiasm.
now i’m working on having a grip of kids and **ahem** actually raising them myself. cause dna ain’t shit without a connection.
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@ritmo
Every comment you’ve ever made under various spanish handles seems to be coming from the mind of an older woman who’s had an active sex life into her late thirties and now expects cool men to have “gotten the t-shirt” and be willing to settle down with an aging slut their own age.
Your biggest agenda item is to stop the PUA trend of men dating much younger women.
Your current essay doesn’t disappoint in this regard. Nice touch about the DNA and the need for love (one can be in love and pass on one’s DNA without giving up the fun).
Earth to ritmo:
1) The anglo culture already does everything it can to train men into thinking that they have to stop dating and settle down with some ex-slut their own age at precisely the time, before menopause, that women – but not men – need to do this. Meanwhile the culture does everything it can so that men never learn PUA concepts except as some kind of punchline.
This is why there are tons of readers over 30, 40 and 50 here who are seriously learning about game for the first time in their lives and, more importantly, learning about it in an interactive atmosphere where others verify that its valid.
Almost every Hollywood film tries to tell men that they should call it quits before their time and marry someone their own age with a past. I could spend an hour with dozens of recent examples but two new ones include:
No Strings Attached is about a slut approaching 30 who gets convinced by one of her boy toys that she should settle down with him. They’re desperately trying to say that young men will want to marry aging sluts.
Love and Other Drugs is about a raging slut who is the way she is because she “doesn’t want to get hurt” by men who might reject her because she’s got the onset of Parkinson’s Disease coming on (proxy for aging coming on). They’re desperately trying to say that men will want to marry aging sluts.
We don’t need a troll on this blog desperately trying to stop this blog’s theme that smart men actually have no intention of marrying aging sluts but might reproduce with a much, much younger woman (one of the few he falls in love with but doesn’t get one-itis over) in a country where the child support laws are not draconian.
2) The PUA community was feminist friendly 2+ years ago and, among other things, was very much into the idea that PUAs, like athletes, needed to start thinking about retiring (settling down) at around age 30, 35 or 40. That’s all changed now and you’ve been the most outspoken person against this change (you’ve been around awhile fighting it).
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I get the general idea here, and for the most part your evaluation metrics make sense to me.
F.Y.I- For those reacting with “I wouldn’t say any of those things..” or “What about this?”..
Try to think about the type of response each represents, i.e submissive, passive, assertive- for any of the subjective questions that will be your -1, 0, +1 respectively.
“BUT YOU CAN STILL FUCK UP BY BEING YOURSELF”
That’s where I write this whole thing off as a loser writing for other losers. All you can do is study the kind of guy that gets girls, you’ll never actually be one. Sad.
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Is the goal here to have successful short- and long-relationships with women? Or is there something else going on?
The high scorers on this test sound like men I might fuck once or twice if I were single, as long as their bizarre and shallow worldview didn’t present itself to the point of being a turn-off. The men on this site seem so alien to the men I know in real life–boyfriends, fuck buddies and friends alike. Maybe I make subconscious decisions that allow me to avoid or ignore men on this site. Thank God.
Regardless, it seems to me that the best way to have successful relationships with women–spanning years or for a single night–is not to frequent circle-jerk sites that serve as shrines to the men you think are “getting” a lot of women, but to actually interact with women yourself. However, as I suggested before, this site seems more preoccupied with the study of other men than actually interacting with women. In which case, that is your prerogative.
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@Nicole 2 (Please use another handle because the real Nicole is a woman from Israel who comments regularly)
Not a good idea for western men because of the way they are raised and socialized. A man needs to read a blog like this to “take the red pill” and be debriefed, deprogrammed, desocialized.
And to give women the behavior they really want, not what they say they want.
Western yuppie males are socialized, for instance, to believe in feminism, that women will behave logically like our equals and let us know what they want to do, etc. Nothing can be further from the truth. But you need a blog like this to show you why. Nowhere else will you be told the following, for instance:
Females in socializing with men, no matter how feminist, expect to be led along and persuaded. They need for their ASD (Anti Slut Defense) to be overcome despite themselves. No really does mean yes in so many cases (the woman is not interested in going to his place, then she is, but she’s not interested in undressing, then she is, but she’s not interested in sex, then she is).
Most men don’t understand this because they expect women to be logical. Feminism’s worst aspect is that it disingenuously broadcasts to males that its female adherents will behave like logical adults.
Fathers and uncles are afraid to teach boys what they need to know about the opposite sex (that you can’t go by what they say they want to do but, rather, you need to quickly persuade them to take their clothes off, have mutual fun and move on to the next woman or get her to bring a friend or two next time) because, even if the father and uncles know their way around women, the men won’t trust the boys not to rat this secret advice out to the mothers.
Also there’s no way an adult male can legally supervise/observe a boy doing what he needs to do in his teenage years to prepare for college (which isn’t playing tag or just spin the bottle with the neighborhood girls). Fathers don’t need to be asking their sons whether they scored an actual football touchdown in school today, but rather they need to be asking their sons how many times they got to feel someone of the opposite sex up under the bleachers. But anglo-saxon fathers fail to ask their son’s this. It’s criminal that they don’t.
It stunts a boy’s growth not to expect him to be making at least twice weekly progress with different females each week after the 6th grade. Boys need to know milestones and expectations for themselves. Otherwise some religious moron will “take the pressure off” by telling him he doesn’t need to mess with women until “the right one comes along, maybe at age 30”.
While this blog is not meant for teenage boys, it can set realistic expectations for males, mainly that you can do in one date what women SAY will only happen after many dates.
Just tonight I had a date with someone I only really wanted to see once, so I needed to pack an entire relationship into one date. Only this blog has the advice that gave me even an idea of how to pull off an entire relationship in one evening.
We met at a cafe for salad (I was a cheapskate) and, after establishing attraction in about 15 minutes, I suggested that she come back to my place for a really good meal. Her ASD kicked in and she said “Maybe next time” which is typical: most men would accept that a woman would only go to his apartment on the 2nd date at the earliest. But this is based on a lie. A woman will refuse to go home with a guy on the first date only because of ASD. She would be glad to have sex at his place if he was persuasive enough and made her feel like he won’t consider her a slut.
So I said that I was chagrined that there was no place I could get a sport massage after 7pm. I said “How about you doing it. Better that you get the $50 rather than than the fitness center getting it.” The trivial amount of money wasn’t meant to “pay for sexual activity” so much as to actually lower her ASD. It’s ironic that money actually lowers a woman’s idea that she might appear as a slut. In fact, it’s totally counter intuitive, but true.
It somehow gives the hamster a reason to say “I’m not a slut, I’d be earning money like a professional masseuse would earn it. There’s no shame in that”.
She: But I don’t know how to do a massage
Me: It doesn’t require skill. It’s the most overrated profession in the world as far as training
She: But a male masseuse can do it harder
Me: But a woman would be more relaxing
She: Why?
Me: Because there’s no way I want another male in my home. You’d be welcome. I’m a gentleman. You wouldn’t worry me about me that way, would you?
She: No. I feel comfortable with you.
Me: OK. Let’s give it a try.
She: OK. We can give it a try.
When we left the cafe 10 minutes later she suddenly says “So what are we going to do now?”. Again, this is the ASD at work. She was conveniently forgetting that we’d already agreed to go back to my place. Notice how women will refuse to take responsibility for logically planning out what they are going to do from one minute to the next.
I had to gently say “We’re going to (my neighborhood) and you’re giving me a massage”. She didn’t answer but just went passive as I hailed a taxi.
At my place, she gave a great massage. Then I turned over and said “OK, now let me give you a massage for free”.
ASD kicked in again. She said “No thank you. Maybe next time”. She was still fully dressed. This turned out to be a lie. She wanted sex. But her words and actions were the opposite. For most of my life, before reading this blog, I would have taken this at face value and nothing more would have happened tonight. I would have foolishly gotten us off my bed and gotten dressed and, probably, walked her home or paid for her taxi.
However, I’ve read this blog and its archives. I knew better.
Knowing what this blog says about not trusting anything a woman says about what she wants, I started to heavily persuade her that she wanted a massage and she said “Maybe what you really want is sex”. After a little back and forth she said “Be frank, do you want to have sex?”. I answered, “Well, OK, that might be a great idea. Would that be bad?”. She answered “Yes” with a look of disapproval on her face like she’d just lost all respect for me.
I said “No, I don’t want sex. But I’d still like to give you a massage. So trust me, I won’t try to have sex”.
She said “Well OK” and stripped to a bra and panties and, after lying down on her stomach, took the bra off.
I gave her a great massage but, when I was doing the legs, the finger kept brushing up against where it counts. She didn’t get mad and soon that was the only place getting the massage.
And, soon after, the begging started. It wasn’t from me.
If I hadn’t read this blog, I would have let myself get roadblocked at any point along the way. One year ago, I definitely did not understand that one can move all the way on the first date or without a first date at all.
So, Nicole, you can pretend that this blog is a circle jerk where advice is coming from braggarts who aren’t really getting any action, but all you’re really doing is trying to maintain the lie that the media and western society brainwashes men with.
This site provides the “red pill” (allusion to the film “Matrix”).
That’s an illogical statement. It’s about other men interacting with women, and being honest about how the dynamics are the opposite of what society, our families and most women will TELL us the dynamics are.
Even on the Internet, very few places tell it like it is.
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Jerry
And so it can be understood that men with a high socio-sexual orientation would have a seduction advantage, because they will not have to fake not considering the girl a slut, and so will more easily bypass the ASD.
From Wikipdedia
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Jerry, interesting motivation to get the girl back to your apartment.
And good job on the escalation – #1 skill required for seduction.
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Nicole “I’m sorry you feel like you have to trick women into sleeping with you.”
You’re sorry that. You feel bad that. It makes you sad that.
Nice combination of emotional blackmail and shaming.
Females are sooooooo predictably STOOOOOPID.
And painfully transparent.
As if anyone here actually believes that you feel sorry or bad. As if anyone here gives a shit about your social shaming. Who the fuck are you and why would anyone give a shit about your sorry?
Sorry ass excuse for conversation.
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I got a 19, but looking at the break-down explanations, I’d say that I fall more into the 10 to 14 bracket.
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Hmmm… Single bored girl here, I took a wild speculation of how the ideal man (for me :P) would score.
(-5!)
It’s ’cause I couldn’t care less about how much money a guy makes (if I want money, I’ll freakin’ earn it), couldn’t care less if he has a car (OK, I’m an environmentalist living in a big city with functioning public transportation and considering the purchase of a bike), I’m not attracted to the sporty types and can’t for the life of me see how an IQ over 140 would bring -1 rather than +100.
Also, I’d never date someone who has been in jail, unless it was for political reasons in a country ruled by a dictatorship or for denouncing crimes of war on wikileaks. (Okaaaay, breaking into a pharmacy to steal life-saving medicine for a baby would be acceptable jail-time too, but that’s as far as it goes.) Also, for questions 19, 21, 25, 26the answers bringing a +1 would be a major turn-off rather than a turn-on.
But then again, the test raises the question of a girl who would question if a guy wearing a pink shirt is gay… which I suspect has different standards😛
BTW, I did the market value test for ladies- got a 36!
So, this means I won’t have to face much competition? ;;)
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I plan to do a PhD, will this increase my market value, or is it encompassed on the IQ factor?
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I’ve stopped counting after IQ question. I’m sure my score is over 20. Other then dumb bench press and income pretty amusing test.
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Great stuff man. But, I would put a military officer into the superior catagory, not neutral. Being an officer in the Marine Corps with the dress blues just pulls ass by itself, you don’t have to do anything. And if you’re in the special forces, that’s like rock star status these days. Women love military men, as long as they aren’t in the Coast Guard or Air Force. I remember telling girls during my last semester of college I’d be a Marine officer, and getting all kinds of girls I couldn’t really get prior. I was getting the hardcore liberal ones too, the war-haters, that’s what was the weirdest part. I cleaned house with the treehuggers. Then again I went to school and Massachusetts so it’s not like I had any kind of conservative girl to test that on. One other thing I noticed: I never did ROTC, and girls liked me. They did not like the army ROTC guys with their attitudes and fake military uniforms.
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If you gonna throw height and BMI in there why didn’t he add cock size as well.
[Editor: Because cock size only matters after you’ve successfully seduced her out of her clothes.]
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The only questions that were truthfully relevant to attraction were the questions regarding height, weight, and hair. Income has nothing to do with someone who has never even spoken to you being attracted. Behaving like an angst filled pre pubescent teenager (purposefully acting like an asshole) isn’t going to get you laid. It might satisfy your need to feel dominant which makes you THINK you are alpha, but in reality if you aren’t pulling a woman you aren’t doing it right. What other point is there to being alpha? You think I give a rats flying fuck what OTHER men think about me? No. Keep your respect, I don’t need it, what I need is to fuck as many women as humanly possible, and you don’t get to that point by acting like a moron.
Jerry’s description of pulling a girl on their first encounter is definitely closer to how it is actually done. Assertiveness, but polite. You lead her, but you do it subtly. In my experience if you get a woman back to your place then you really have no excuse not to close on her. It took me several failed attempts before I realized that simply not taking “No” for answer is the key to penetration, and this include attempts where I had gotten to third base. Women want to have sex, they want to fuck, they want to have a good time. What they DON’T want is to feel like a slut (Jerry calls it the Anti Slut Defense). The more responsibility you take away from her and place on your own shoulders the easier it will be for you to close.
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There appears to be a division of beliefs on the concepts of ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’. You are either one or the other?
I am 32 years young, 6’2″, 180lbs, full head of dirty blond hair, athletic, 6-pack abs, 7% body fat, M.S. in Chemical Engineering, Millionaire at 27.
I scored 24 on this test.
I wear custom suits and crocodile shoes.
I dine at popular restaurants, dance and flirt with the hottest woman at the clubs, vacation all over the world, and in general, live an awesome life.
My male friends think I get laid left and right.
My female friends think I’m a major player.
My lifestyle rocks, eventhough no pussy is involved.
I am heterosexual.
I’ve never been in a long-term relationship.
I’ve never had a fling.
I am still a virgin.
Which one am I?
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There’s something wrong with you then. What is it?
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It’s either fraudulent sperm theft I’m adverse to, or my apprehension stems from my instinctual repulsion towards genetically inferior females, which accounts for 99% in my experience.
Many of you have been mislead to believe that fertility is a signal of good genes, in reality, it is a reproductive signal.
You mistake youth as a function of reproductive fitness, when in fact it is a time period of short duration in a females existance.
If you beleived that your sperm is so valuable, you wouldn’t be trying to spread it everywhere, now would you?
And when overzealous males gain access to what appears to be top-notch pussy(youth and beauty) they feel they have accomplished something extraordinary and label themselves playboys, when in fact, her side of the family is disease-ridden, and you become the sucker who falls for it, and well, your offspring pay the price, and you think you got a great deal!
What was it you said, there is something wrong with me?
Or is it everyone else is handicapped including you, and you just don’t see it?
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lol vapid sluts after my precious bodily fluids
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Undoubtably you believe that you’re better than everyone (which is BS). Probably your crocodile shoes display just what a tool you are. Who the fuck does that?
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For those that want go the ‘small penis route’, mine varies between 6-7″ depending on how hot she can get me.
I am pleased with my package but I havn’t figured out why I’ve never gotten laid.
Everytime a woman get’s me back to her place ‘just to hang-out’ she says, I always find an excuse to leave before things get raunchy.
I tease them, make-out with them, sometimes tell them if they are nice to me I might let them taste it or I don’t usually do this, I’m not that kind of guy.
It seems like I lose interest once the cat is in the bag.
There is no doubt, I want a wonderful girlfriend.
But I don’t feel very special landing a prior cock-carousel rider.
Any suggestions?
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@maximus, PhD in Australia will earn you -5 instead of his estimates.
This scale is very good , and this is my experience too, but it should be tweaked for regional variations. In Australia and specially Sydney, the positive score for any jerk factor in each question should be doubled. For example , the question about disappearing without explanations to pee should earn +2 points rather +1 point. The One about IQ should be <85 zero points
85 to 110- 1 point
110-130- (-1) point(yes that's negative one)
130-145(-2) points(negative)
Australia has its regional variations. IN Brisbane, there is generally no bonus for black cock, but in sydney , you get 5 whole bonus points thrown in for black cock. Its probably the city where chicks are most hot for black cock outside sub saharan Africa! If i needed to get laid, I usually would go out with my black(African) friends-that was my"game" when I lived in sydney. BTW if your taste is fat arse late 30's women getting clucky in Sydney, there is no need to have a "game" , having a pulse will do-give yourself 10 bonus points.
Regarding High status profession, the top 10 preferred professions-8 were artisan types-starting at Carpenter no1, electrician no.2 etc. From what you would call professionals , only doctor was included in the top 10.
There are refugee camps outside the city for beta male refugees leaving sydney with their dick between their legs, and not looking back.
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Well that settles that. Now I can kill myself knowing that I am indeed as hopeless as I thought.
On second thought, fuck it. I’m going out with a bang cause fuck everybody. Keep your eye on the news!
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This reeks of The Seduction Community and as such is invalid for any purpose except wasting time.
Comments are interesting though
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Does anyone actually think that this quiz reflects reality? Beautiful women mainly sleep with young, tall, slender, rude, aggressive, moderately clever jocks with police records? It sounds more like the wish list that a cynical wealthy older gay man would want in an easily dominated young lover.
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ctrl +f “tattoo”
0 results found.
Hm, you’d think…
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I thought of another question:
Have you ever had sex with a stripper you met in a strip club?
No 0 points
Yes + 1 point
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13. The description fits me well. I have no problem getting to attraction. However, I have problems closing the deal, and if I’m not focused and have a great gameplan I “become myself” and may seem boring or even awkward. Introvert by nature, so doing routines is really exhausting.
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I like these tests in theory but some of the scoring doesn’t really make sense. Immediately on the first question: you subtract points for being over 6’4? No way! And 5’9 scores you the same points as 5’4? Unrealistic, especially considering that the average male height is about 5’10 so half of the world is below that.
Same with the girls test. Proportionately way too many points are awarded to age and sexual openness compared to attractiveness. If you’re hot at 19 then you’re probably going to be hot at 33 as well; if you’re just average looking at 19 then you’re average looking. And in my observation women in their 20s tend to be much more attractive than those in their teens, because finished going through puberty, lost the baby fat, and figured out how to take care of themselves to look better.
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Thanks, Shannon, for the commercial break. With all due respect, older women are constantly advertising on men’s blogs, hoping they can use some form of argument to make men lust after older women more.
Now back to reality.
No, if a woman is hot at 19 it does not mean she will be hot even at 19.5. In fact, the odds are against it. Women lose their looks at the most rapid rate when they are in this age range. Looks can change like the San Francisco weather then.
Now you could say that, if that woman beats the odds and still looks great at 33, she’ll probably still look great at 43. That’s because she’ll have proven that she has long telomeres.
For the most part, teens are logarithmically more sexually attractive than women in their twenties. Exceptions exist but only prove the rule.
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I’m 20, this is just my opinion. Yes, I would agree that there’s a peak for attractiveness, but it’s probably not 16. If you’re well removed from that age bracket, then your perception might be skewed by movies and tv shows where the 16 year old characters are played by 25 year olds. But if you actually walk around a high school you’ll see plenty of teenagers who are awkward, unattractive, or look like they’re about 12. Of course there are gorgeous 16 year olds as well, but I can’t think of a single person who has become less attractive just by virtue of being 21 instead of 16. I’ll have to see how that holds up over the next 10 years or so.
I also think desirability of a certain age is relative to the age of the man. I cannot tell you how many men in my age range (early-mid 20s) have expressed a preference for older women (mid-late 20s). Banging 16 year olds isn’t as exciting when you were 16 yourself a couple years ago. It becomes more of a novelty when you’re 30 or 40, but even then I can’t see most men in their 30s choosing to date teenagers.
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What a lot of the women posting here don’t seem to realize is how much they are actually attracted to a guy who ‘offends’ them. If they were truly honest with themselves, I wonder how many guys they could come up with who are nice to them who they would never give the time of day.
In the same vein, less physically attractive women are dramatically more likely to respond favorably to politeness, while more attractive women respond very strongly to a guy who is at least seemingly uninterested in them.
So basically, which bracket are you aiming for?
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Are you people real or is this like “Dark City” or something?
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What a load of childish buncombe;
I’m 50 and I can tell you a high IQ is a blessing, helps one accumulate wisdom – I do stress the word wisdom here.
What is or is not attractive differs from country to country, age group by age group, and it takes all types believe me.
So to all those high IQ guys out there who were a bit phased by this – forget it guys, your tgime will come. And to the website designers, PLEASE travel a bit? Expand your horizons and don’t imagine that everyone and everything is exactly the same as the pond in your back yard. Signing off, G.Hampshire. Thailand/UK, 50.
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Wow…I’m useless. No wonder all I get are single moms of ADD children who are about 30 lbs overweight. I agree with your test. You basically have to be a BMW driving toolbag to get a girl’s attention.
I think I would rather watch porn and sit this one out.
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Wow, this is utter bullshit, or geared for a guy’s appeal to 21 year old women.
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That’s the point Dana. Most guys prefer women around that age. But not all so it’s all good. Don’t get angry.
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I haven’t been arrested, but I’ve once had the police shut down my computer (permanently) due to attempts at hacking. Does this score me any points? Or, perhaps, hacking is too geeky of a crime to brag about.
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Don’t confuse intelligence with intellectual arrogance. Genuine intelligence allows you to understand the world around you, and make decisions that help you succeed. Intelligence can help you realize that you don’t accomplish anything by being in the chess club. Intelligence can get you that high paying job.
Intellectual arrogance, however, is a compensation mechanism for people who lack social skills. They cultivate a feeling of superiority by dismissing other peoples’ intelligence and inflating their own. (Even knowing your own IQ score offhand is an indication this may be you.) Proving your intellectual ability by succeeding at some challenging task that can be measured objectively is great and all… but the best proof of true intelligence is applying your mental abilities constructively.
In other words, if you’re smart, you don’t necessarily go around trying to prove to people how smart you are. You use your smarts to prove to them that you’re cool and fun to be around.
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It seems intellectual arrogance can actually be a huge DHV, if pulled off right. And if you aren’t a complete loser/geek whatever.
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If only the real world worked like this test might make one believe… Unfortunately, those “points” don’t add up, and one big disqualifier will be enough to keep you out of the race altogether. So, what if some guy is very short or extremely overweight? Suddenly, the fact that they have 20+ friends and were in a fight once doesn’t seem to count much anymore, or do they?😉
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Wow, your methods for assessing female vs male market value are incredibly offensive and remarkably sexist. I am fairly confident that very few of the “men” on this website have had real significant relationships. Keep playing your idiotic games and in time, you will be old, alone and empty.
Most offensive, is the standard for which you measure “female market value” as compared to that for men. Given how cliche (and outright offensive) your assessments based purely on physical appearance are, there should be far more about wealth in assessing male market value, if you can even pretend to be using a similar method of assessment. Since age and appearance (and weight) count for at least 30 points for the women, wealth should be at least the same for the men…. But, I assume that such scientific methods are most likely beyond what your minds can comprehend.
[Heartiste: By scientific method, I assume you mean the method where you spoon your three cats naked until you stop blubbering enough to type without a shaky hand?]
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So, I was browsing through the hot or not site, and the ratings seem extremely inaccurate to me. I would like to hear you guys’ opinion. Although hotornot is frequently cited as a good way to assess one’s physical appearance, how many of you have browsed through their pictures?
Hell, I have a hard time finding anyone who is rated below an 8 there.
http://asset0-cdn.hotornot.com/photos/018/226/499/18226499/large_192979_1865938415618_1455750091_31536492_1772.jpg?1321861579
^This is a 9 according to them.
http://asset2-cdn.hotornot.com/photos/018/225/987/18225987/large_photo.jpg?1321842451
^ an 8.8
http://asset0-cdn.hotornot.com/photos/018/225/468/18225468/medium_111004-183035.jpg?1321821586
^ another 9
So?
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I agree with the 9s, but the 8.8 is a 6.5 tops.
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Look here:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/female-beauty-ranking-the-elusive-10/
Now pay attention to girls who were rated as 9’s. I would say these are quite accurate (9’s or 10’s – it’s all the same to me, those are top-tier women).
Do you seriously believe any of those above are anywhere near the league of those? I’d give those in the post above 6’s and 7’s tops.
[Heartiste: Hotornot hasn’t been a reliable medium for measuring female attractivness in years. Something happened a long time ago with the algorithm it uses that ruined the site’s credibility.]
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How does a beta begin the process of becoming more alpha? How can a beta make this change?
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Matt, The first step is to raise your standards and drop any and all idea that any legal age woman is too young for you. Then you must target many women at the same time so you don’t really care about the outcome with anyone in particular. The next step is to truly believe that the hottest women will either want you or they’re nuts.
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Thanks for the input, anybody else have any tips. Any books anybody would recommend? This blog should add a section to this page about the things that betas can do to change. Also, if CH wrote a beginners guide/book like a lot of PUAs do, iI guarantee it would be a big time seller.
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I dont agree with that IQ shit. Im from the hood and very smart in math and physics my favourite subject. Trust me tho homie when it comes to getting hotties im a monster and I respect all your games cuz im a player too and I learned alot from you these last few days. Being smart is a part of so you can mindfuck girls mathematically and keep them coming like a black hole in the universe lol. Just pointing out that science oriented guys got game too especially us from the hood. Shout out to the slimes. Harlem all day.
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Real alphas are the guys that everyone turns to because they genuinely look out for and lead people naturally. They would never just walk away from a conversation because they felt like it because part of leading and maintaining order is telling people what is going on. Nor would they be pussyfooting around playing hard to get like the glorified metrosexual portrayed in this article.
(C) “I’m thirsty. Are you thirsty? Let’s go inside and taste DC’s finest tap water. But you can only stay for a minute, I have to get up early.”
What a pussy. He wants sex and talks about water and waking up in the morning. How about “I’m horny, lets grab a drink and have sex.” Same deal with the make out situation. If he wants to grab her breast he’ll grab her breast, if he doesn’t he won’t. An alpha will do whatever the hell he wants to do with her, and won’t pussyfoot around gazing off in the distance like some half homo not sure what to do with a woman.
In most human societies pursuing cheap tail like the ‘alpha’ represented here would get a guy run out or killed by the actual Alpha’s in a town or society who defend their women from rabble like that.
This kind of thing only works because real alphas aren’t allowed to do their thing.
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Do you get a point for each time you’ve been arrested?
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You should also add Race to the test:
Black: +1 point
White: 0 point
other: -1 point
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LOL depends where you live. Sometimes being black can work for you or against you.
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“I do have a problem, on Stanford Binet IQ tests I measure 135-140. (The limit of such tests is 140).” -Kolchak
The ceiling of the Stanford-Binet is 160 in the SD15 version and 164 in the SD16 version; 4 standard deviations above the mean.
(This is assuming you didn’t take the L-M version which has an even higher ceiling)
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As a high value girl I can tell you right now that this test is a great big steaming pile of BS!!! Arrested??!! FFS.
[heartiste: “as a high value girl i can tell you…”
there’s your first mistake right there.]
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This test kinda makes me wish I was a guy. I mean, if you’re a woman and you aren’t genetically blessed with beauty, you’re basically screwed (not literally of course. literally you have no chance of being screwed) Men, on the other hand, just have the learn game and they’re good to go.
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No, it just means you will have to settle with low quality men. Or consider plastic surgery.
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Yes, but if I was a man and happened to be genetically lacking, I wouldn’t need to settle for low-quality females. Or spend thousands of dollars to have a plastic surgeon hack at my body.
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This is kinda sickening honestly. Sorta makes me disgusted by even any form of sexuality. If what ya’ll are saying on this website is true, human sexuality is pretty fucking shallow and contrived.
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well look at animals fuck camel done in like 3 seconds female camel just lays there
the saying fuck you like an animal is kind of funny really
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Got a 15.
I was expecting too see a lot more in the 10-14 area. What the hell is wrong with all of you losers?
Guess I’ll nitpick too though. Number twelve is down right stupid. Some of my internet bros can stay on the internet. If I wanted more real friends I’ll walk out my front door. I’ll count myself zero for that that even though I have met a few girls from the internet. Perhaps looks should be a bigger thing too. You could easily bypass plenty of things on that list at least for a while with 10/10 looks alone.
Overall, this is a somewhat agreeably truthful list. The bluntness seems catch many off guard and such so well done.
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This is an excellent test. Most of the people criticizing this test don’t know what they are talking about and have clearly not spent much time interacting with many different women.
And for whoever said that women want to be more intelligent than their man… that is completely and utterly FALSE. Not only are there studies proving the opposite (read Red Queen), but common sense or even just asking any girl if she prefers her man to be smarter than her would lead to you know that she does (granted there are rare exceptions).
Thanks for this test.
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This test is a man’s view of what makes men attractive to women, I’d rank intelligence a lot higher. For me, any arrest would be a negative, unless the arrest was unjust or a mistake on the part of the police. Some women like that though. The prestigious and “neutral” jobs should rank quite a bit higher. You wouldn’t believe how many beautiful women sleep with managers and salesmen. Income should rank a lot higher too. Chronic unemployment should substract so many points as to make a man undateable by any woman who bathes regularly and has a full set of teeth. Looks should rank lower. A lot of women don’t trust men who are extremely handsome. Average looks with a reasonably fit body (no bodybuilders, that’s gross) should rank higher.
The situational questions are skewed to picking up women for one night stands. That would attract women who are insecure or have emotional/mental problems. A woman who is mentally and emotionally healthy will see a lot of that as rude, or as the male version of flakiness.
One thing to keep in mind is that a woman’s standards don’t take a nosedive for one night stands like a man’s might. So decent job, income, and intelligence are still required. It’s easier for a man to lie about that with a one night stand though. A long-term girlfriend or wife is going to figure out if you don’t have the job or money you said you did.
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I didn’t have a leadership role in a team sport, but I didn’t have a leadership role in the military so I gave myself a point anyway
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Depends on what MOS you were in the Military. Then again most lifers (leadership roles) were lames. Whatever.
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I scored an 11. I agree with this test. There are a few things I couldn’t help like age and height. But all in all it’s what I have to work with. And yes I do need to stop fucking fatties as normal thing. I know it is wrong but I always thought going home with some fatty vs. going home alone is better. I need to stop thinking that way because one it lowers my expectations and self-esteem. Two if I ever have any plans on going back to the same bar then it lowered my value to potential women.
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@Tara: You think House is sexy? Wow, and I thought I attracted sociopaths, you fucking embrace them. No wonder our society is fucked up, we ave women like you enabling the sociopaths in power
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The more I read this test, the more thankful I am for being asexual. Women sound like horrid creatures to be in a relationship with.
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None of you limp dick nerds are alphas or have any game whatsoever. The garbage on this sight is not a true representation of life, relationships or women. Have fun stroking off to the silicone hos on porn hub.
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LOL kinda funny. Idiots comment made me laugh out loud at work. I can careless who is right or wrong. This shit is fun to read.
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Though humorous, there is some truth to the quiz.
My husband scored 15, according to my critical assessment. He does have a bit of a reputation for being a jerk and that cockiness is what attracted me to him years ago. In fact, I’ve always been drawn to assertive, take-what-they-want kind of men.
According to your quiz for women, I’m a 34. At the time we met (I was 15, he was 17) I would have ranked even higher.
So we both did well for ourselves. He has a hot wife who wants nothing more than his approval, and I have a charismatic husband who gives me everything I want.
Guess the system works.
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Hmm. This blog conveniently ignores the fact that most women think bald, broke, impotent guys with shriveled little penises are gross. Remember that when you start bashing fat chicks. Many girls are just too nice to point out YOUR flaws because we realize no one is perfect. You would do well to ponder this: the TRUE alpha males are the George Soroses of the world, not the sniveling alpha wanna-bes who follow this blog.
And the leathered feminazis you love to hate? They are the ones who ushered in the poontang smorsgasbord you are now trying with all your might to enjoy. Like it or not, as much as you scoff at women’s foibles you can’t live without them, spend hours analysing how to bed them, and that just p***es you off, doesn’t it? Poon. We have it. You want it. I hope you all end up having daughters and living to fear another man’s designs on your little girl.
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Ironically, Ruffslitch, it’s the impotent guys who announce here that they will kill any PUA who attempts to game their daughters.
If they weren’t impotent, they would be learning and attempting to get someone new and hot of their own.
Except for them, most guys here are, by definition, anything but impotent.
Go to a political forum to find that kind. There you will see limp dicks pedastalizing women or supporting feminism on behalf of both American political parties.
George Soros could have done better, as in nubile and capable of having babies. I consider his a beta move, unless she really has a great mind and personality, which is possible but I haven’t seen evidence of that (readers can do a quick search to read about his new 40 year old wife – he is 85)..
You are half right about the fems ushering in the smorgasbord. It was really alpha males who tricked the feminists into supporting the Sexual Revolution.
When that generation of fembots grew into their forties, they saw their boyfriends trying to date their nieces or students (if the feminist had become a professor to be equal to the men in her life).
That’s when they changed from a pro-sex attitude to one of hatred for male sexuality along with a strong desire to use the law to regulate male sexual behavior. It was in the 80’s that sexual harassment laws were made, male professors with tenure could be fired for having sex with a student at his university and when the fembots allied with the christians to end the sexual revolution via the AIDS scare.
It was only the likes of Helen Gurley Brown of Cosmopolitan Magazine along with Candace Bushnell of “Sex and the City” fame, who put the fembots back on the path of promoting sexual license.
You may have noticed in Brown’s obituaries last week that the feminist rank and file still hate her because she convinced a new generation of hot girls not to be afraid of AIDS (leaving the ones who spent 5 years rejecting men out of fear of AIDS to wither on the vine of spinsterhood) and because she was very much into bosses doing their secretaries and women otherwise playing the field for financial advantage (the story of her life).
But the likes of Helen Gurley Brown and Candace were falsely promoting the idea that a female had more than a few years to use her sexuality to find a man. They tried to give women the entitlement a man might have, but where men really could biologically afford 15-20 of casual dating and women cannot.
This blog is necessary to point out the pretty lies of both types of feminists, the anti-sex ones and the pro-sex ones.
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How are you? you sound really cool, let tell you about myself, I love to laugh and enjoy life to the fullest. Nothing in life is worthwhile without passion, I love helping people, I am very compansionate and caring.What more can I say, I have a great sense of humour, Im looking for a mature relationship I have no time for games or lies though. I consider myself to be very independant and know what I want…………………This internet stuff is very new to me, I don’t think that it is hard to meet and talk to people but The hard part is meeting quality, intelligent, not wasted people, I basically want somewoman that is going to treat me with the respect that I deserve. I believe that the three most important ingredients to a healthy relationship are , communication, honesty and Stability. If you don’t have those, you really don’t have anything. i am looking for somewoman that is kind, caring, sweet, nice, cute, smart, funny. I want somewoman to cuddle with and who will want to talk to me and tell me all about them. I would like somewoman that will listen to me and communicate with me. I am looking for somewoman that wants to spend as much time together, with me, as possible. And if they can’t be there for me with affection, will call. Being held is the best feeling in the world. Ultimately I’m looking for somewoman that wants to fall/be in love and not affraid to show affection and be nice. I love to hear sweet words said to me. Somewoman that will want to be my best friend. Somewoman that doesn’t need/have to go out and drink with his friends often. Somewoman that will hold me when I’m sad and comfort me when I’m afraid. let me ask you this question, what do u think are the best three trait to offer a partner? what happen to your last relationship?wish thsat not much …….khalil this my email khalil0939athotmail.com h.khalil33@yahoo.com
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i want job in any place where girl or women want 21 yers old nued an hot sexy boy for fun. nu.+918090233531
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You took this test:
-5 points
Seriously if you need to ask …. there are minus points there.
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Nice post. Great concept. Nice summary of article. Nice tips which is very effective and helpful for all. Nice to visit this post. Really a great information. Good example of question and Answer. Which is really helpful. Thanks for sharing.
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There’s a lot of truth in this, but the test is much too long, part 2 is kind of irrelevant.
If he’s younger than 30, at least 6’2, resembles a soap opera actor and has Don Trump’s checkbook, it seriously doesn’t matter what type of personality he has, how much ‘game’, how ‘cocky & funny’ he may or may not be, how much he bench presses or whether or not he says anything before going potty.
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You’d be surprised, Wolfie, how rich, good-looking guys can screw up. And mainly from their own insecurities including fear of asking for the sale and fear of being politically incorrect in the choice of girl (choosing the 31 year old lawyer over the 19 year old catering service waitress at a cocktail party).
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19 doesn’t equal hot, but you know that……
Here’s my test, has only 4 questions:
1)How tall are you? 6’5+ = 10, subtract 1 point per inch less
2)How hot are you? Brad Pitt/soap stud = 10
3)How old are you? 16-25 = 10, subtract 1 point per year thereafter
4)How much money does she [i]think[/i] you have/make?
This one’s a little bit of a wild card and hard to score, depending on exactly [u]how much[/u] money we’re talking here.
If he’s a bona fide multi-millionaire, he can be a 60-year old 5’2 bald fattie with Groucho Marx glasses who looks like the bastard child Danny deVito had with a dumpster and still pull hotties.
Even 19-year old catering waitresses.
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This is the coolest thing I have ever read (in my Butthead voice)
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the dating market value test needs to consider penis size as well. just saying.
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The age scores should be more like this:
16-17 years old: -1
18-22 years old: +1
23-25 years old: -1
26-28 years old: -3
29-30 years old: -5
over 30 years old: sexual death
By 25, a guy is pretty much on his last legs when it comes to getting 18-21 year old poon. By 28, have fun getting that deer-in-headlights look when you try to make conversation with coeds. 30 is the abyss.
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“You gotta be alpha bro. A-L-P-H-A. How much do you bench? There’s your problem, bro. Listen to me, I get SO MUCH pussy. Like, dude, you don’t even KNOW the pussy I get. I don’t even know the pussy I get, I get so much pussy. I really miss my mom. But uh, anyway. The trick is don’t let bitches get the upper hand. Get them to open up and shit, and be like, vulnerable, know what I’m sayin? Keep them insecure, they love that in their pussy area. But whatever you do, NEVER return the favor. Because they are ALL scheming bitches and if you are beta they will ALL FUCK YOU. My FUCKING ex for instance. God, what a bitch. Sometimes I just WANT TO RAPE HER FACE AND CUT HER HEART OUT WITH A SCREWDRIVER SHE HURT ME SO BAD. I- uh… sorry bro, I just get so passionate about life sometimes. Got to let your heart roam. Don’t be beta, yeah.”
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If you’re filling out this test minus the points.
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So glad my fiance is such a lose in the eyes of so many. I think he’s AWESOME. ❤ BETA LOVER
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Alpha, Beta, shmeta, fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. I’m good looking, a 7-8. Fuck alla those scenarios. I wait until an attractive, aggressive woman approaches ME. Fuck chasing them.😀
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under 25 years old: 0 points
Fuck me up a tree.
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Hypergamy – The practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste.
caste – indian/hindu cultural segmentation
rob is the secret code name of this blogs author…
He’s from India mentioning Hypergamy
Raj on The Big Bang Theory is Indian, you all figure out the rest.
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This is fucking cringeworthy, you can just tell by reading it, it is written by some keyboard warrior with no practical experience whatsoever. Pretty sad really.
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Agreed. Any man that had a high score on this test would get zero attention from me. But then again who knows how really attractive women think. It probably goes to their heads as well and a lot of them probably end up dating Charlie Sheen types. Well, they obviously do.
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You’re a fucking idiot. There is no way I would ever want to date alpha slime.
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There are two types of men, those two believe there are two type of men and those who don’t
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Whoever made this quiz is too dumb to realise that the highest score possible is 24. Q1 and Q5 directly contradict each other, nobody can be aged 25-34 AND be over 35, and Q12 only has answers that give 0 or -1 points.
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The more fun way to find your market value.
Go try to fuck chicks. How hot of a chick can you fuck? That’s your market value.
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Wearing a pink shirt is pretty gay.
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Barely skated by with a 15. I can’t pull any of that illegal shit since I’m an officer. ‘s all good.
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This test is bogus, everyone know that height matters. Even is a 5’5 guy scored ” + 1″ on all the other questions, but scores -1 for height, he should still not get laid and be virgin for life. Short guys cannot get girls unless they are famous of rich.
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This whole assessment screams insecure douchebag. It’s obviously looking at a very narrow perspective of human interaction confined to bars and clubs. It takes far more guts to approach a person in every day life than in bass pounding darkened arenas fueled by drink and flowing testosterone. This survey wants you to be perpetually average, in that never-ending cycle of late night hookups and the feeling that by getting sex from many women, you are somehow a better person and fulfilling the most important human need. All of this is so far from reality and it’s a shame that our current Western culture continues to promote this behaviour as normal. Are these Alpha-males absolutely thrilled with their lives, or is there that deep-rooted child in them, lost and scared, uncomfortable with who they are and what they’ve become?
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Emotional depth is not something I would associate with this site , female narcissism is ….
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leader of a team sport +1 point. fuck that its not true. jocks suck! most women dont like jocks. sure they might have a boring plastic hottie on their arm but thats not success.
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test is not bad
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Man. +1 point for over 90k income? You gotta be kidding. You sure cut the guys way more slack on this dating market value assessment. If i am going to be giving anal in my kinky lingerie I would need somebody who at least makes as much as I do. Not to mention somebody as good looking. BTW dunno how this happened but I scored a 0 on your female assessment and i am a grade A piece of ass.
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Maybe your fat, old. Guy don’t care about how big your ass or tits are..we care about how slim you, like you need to have a cutting board tummy, be young and have long hair. Anything else is just a bonus.We don’t care about how much you make..only you care about that. Guys don’t care about stupid crap like height ,and unlike being fat, a woman can change her fat…but a man cannot change his height. Ass and tits are a bonus reserved for alpha males.
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Took an online test of alphaness.
-Infinity. Join a fight club, Poindexter.
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I’m at about neg. 6, so “Lesser Beta”
I’d say that is largely true, I don’t repulse girls, but I also have serious approach anxiety, so I have an Omega-level notch count. Because of that I was tempted to just give myself a neg. 1 on all the experience questions, which would have lowered me a lot.
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Regarding 15, the IQ question. You nailed it. 110 to 130, you’ll have hope of being internally balanced and have the advantage of better-than-average smarts. 85 to 110, you won’t be called smart often, but at least you’re functional in most situations. 130 to 145, Smart at fuck, but a lot of that will socially work against you because you won’t be able to connect those blazing thoughts to the conversation in the moment. Under 85, sorry. over 145, good luck connecting those thoughts to yourself, let alone others. I’m sorry for the shit you’re going through that the rest of us can’t imagine.
To everyone who bashed that question wanting to say “smarter is always better”: you probably fall in the 85 to 110 range. People under 85 at least know their intellectual limits which, in a way, makes them smarter than you.
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Coolest things ever read in my life first time. Thanks for sharing
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By question 16 I was bored with this test.
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My favorite thing about these tests is that a man loses one point for getting caught with child porn, while a woman loses one point for improving her appearance with make up or not enjoying anal sex.
Seriously, fuck you.
[CH: So you don’t take it up the poop chute? More’s the pity.]
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omfg you bunch of gay cunts, talking about this shit just makes you all a bunch of try-hards and fake ass punks. Found this site by mistake and leaving by choice
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Pls everyone help
I scored a 43 on the dating market value test for women but is it ok to like guys in a lower tier than me? because i read this and i don’t like athletes and i am afraid of motorcycles and when guys are mean it makes me feel bad so then i avoid them forever
C3PO made my vulva feel nice before I was old enough to know what was going on???? do i have a fetish for betas😦 why😦
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Is that you, little red-haired girl?
Or are you Charles Schulz’s sock puppet?
And why didn’t you tell me this before I got married to my ball-busting wife Lucy and raised Schroeder’s 4 children as my own?
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